Emulators and accuracy

[Anonymous No.4668487]

Nobody cares about emulation accuracy.

Seriously, riddle me this - why should I care if an emulator is cycle accurate when I can play with an emulator that has quality of life features? Why deal with compiling and bullshit commands prompts when I can just...play the game?

Nobody actually cares about accuracy. People still use Project 64, Dolphin, Visual Boy Advance, GENS, hell, even ZSNES is my preferred SNES emulator because of how cool and retro it looks.

Casuals don't want to sit and configure a million options just to play a game. RetroArch is shit for this, as well as it's intentionally obtuse UI that the creator doesn't give a fuck about making better because he's an obtuse cunt.

As long as the game works, why should anyone care about accuracy?

[Anonymous No.4668494]

I think the retroarch guy is actually autistic. The fucked up UI makes his brain feel good.

[Anonymous No.4668502]

>>4668487
>he wants to play the games instead of just hoarding them
where do you think you are

[Anonymous No.4668528]

>>4668487
>As long as the game works, why should anyone care about accuracy?

....
what the fuck...

this is one of the dumbest fucking things I have ever read.

[Anonymous No.4668535]

>>4668487
Because a higher accuracy means a higher chance of your game working. Which I guess doesn't matter much if all you want to do is play the popular games on the system but if you want to play the hidden gems or even just something you like that not many others do then you're fucked if some obscure glitch makes your game unbeatable.

Also ZSNES's poor accuracy caused the SMW community to lose access to a ton of hacks with custom music because it allowed things to happen with the sound buffer that would crash a real SNES, so now if people want to play certain hacks on modern emulators without crashing they either have to wait for the creator to re-do their hack, someone else to take an interest and do it, or rebuild it themselves.

[Anonymous No.4668537]

>Nobody actually cares about accuracy.
You mean you don't care about accuracy. And that's fine. Plenty of other people do.

[Anonymous No.4668550]

>>4668528
>this is one of the dumbest fucking things I have ever read.

You must not read much.

[Anonymous No.4668558]

>>4668487
Emulators are absolute fucking garbage that children are into.

[Anonymous No.4668560]

>>4668550
On the contrary, I read quite a bit, which is why this OP is impressive in that it is uniquely fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.4668573]

>>4668558
>ew, people are playing their children's games in a way that's too childish

[Anonymous No.4668575]

>>4668560

Care to explain why exactly it matters, though? Seriously. Nobody wants to play shit shovelware games, so who cares if those games work or not as long as Mario does?

[Anonymous No.4668581]

>>4668573
>children's games
Oh, I didn't know that games were only for children. I was implying only children emulate. You're right though, 8 year olds are the only ones that play video games now, right?

>>4668575
Okay, then it's not an emulator. You're talking about a single ROM. So just call it "Mario Player"

[Anonymous No.4668585]

>>4668573
More like
>Baby gets PC
>Realizes he can download alll his super awesome gaymes
>Plays and thinks they're so fun
>Doesn't finish anything
>Abuses save states
>Fucks around in a bunch of games
>Gets bored and does something else

Vs

>Guy sits down to play and finish a game, actually took time and effort to get the game and set it up

[Anonymous No.4668587]

>>4668575
I play all sorts of whackass shovelware at random, I dunno what you're on about. Stumble across some great gems I've never heard anyone else discuss in this way.

[Anonymous No.4668589]

>>4668585

>D-different people have fun in different ways??????

[Anonymous No.4668591]

>>4668589
>It's fun to emulate and not actually finish the game and just fuck around and abuse save states because I'm a real gamer and really wanna play the game

Okay, sure. "Fun" in different ways.

[Anonymous No.4668593]

>>4668589
You didn't defend against anything that anon said because he's right.
Only the most turbo autistic and dedicated would sit down at a PC and beat a game on an emulator without abusing save states or guides.

[Anonymous No.4668596]

>>4668575
Because it's much more fun to go a store and pick up random old games, clean them off, and play them for a night then it is to fucking cycle through 50 roms that don't play accurately on a PC then post on 4chan about the fact you're a "gamer"

[Anonymous No.4668602]

>>4668596

>50 games
>1 game

Clearly the person who plays more games is more of a gamer

[Anonymous No.4668605]

>>4668585
So if you sit down and sink your teeth into them until they're completed without using any convenient emulator feature, you're telling me it's as if it's played on a real console. Unless of course the accuracy to the real thing was lacking, but that would make OP's point completely void at that point.

[Anonymous No.4668607]

>>4668487

[Anonymous No.4668615]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq7_6R_cvgw

[Anonymous No.4668616]

where are all those super complex accurate emulators that need to be compiled?? because all the ones i use work perfectly with default settings and come with an installer or just need to be unzipped.

[Anonymous No.4668621]

>>4668602
what if I play 1 game 50 times as much as he plays 50 ?

[Anonymous No.4668731]

>>4668487
>quality of life features
Save states and Super Eagle?

[Anonymous No.4668740]

>>4668487
>Nobody cares about emulation accuracy.
Except all the people on this board and others that. Pls stop making retarded threads.

[Anonymous No.4668743]

gotta agree with op. retroblech is pretty unusable.
Nobody really cares about accuracy. There are always gonna be some games that have glitches, but they often make the game better and more fun.
Anyone who claims to care about accuracy probably doesn't even enjoy videogames and has dick-cancer.
>>4668587
WOW. You're the shit-sandwich eater that smiles at everyone as they finish the entire thing in one sitting.

[Anonymous No.4668748]

>>4668487
>Casuals don't want to sit and configure a million options just to play a game.
I don't give a fuck what casuals want to do or not do.

[Anonymous No.4668771]

gotta agree with op. retroblech is pretty unusable.
Nobody really cares about accuracy. There are always gonna be some games that have glitches, but they often make the game better and more fun.
Anyone who claims to care about accuracy probably doesn't even enjoy videogames and has dick-cancer.
>>4668587
WOW. You're the shit-sandwich eater that smiles at everyone as they finish the entire thing in one sitting.

[Anonymous No.4668773]

[Anonymous No.4668783]

>>4668487
When your game starts looking like this you'll care about accuracy. I think what you mean is you don't care about autistic accuracy.

[Anonymous No.4668795]

Can we have a few less fucking emulation threads around here? Great, it exists, and nobody cares if you do it or not. Stop complaining about people who own physical objects.

[Anonymous No.4668809]

I draw a simile to watching old films: using modern technology we can restore old films to make them look and sound better than they ever would have bqck in the day, since copies were rarely made to very high standards except maybe for the premiere and the best cinemas, and the loudspeakers in those days were pretty rudimentary. We're getting the most out of those movies but respecting the original source (ie excluding shit like colorizing black and white).
I'd say the same goes for old vidya, why not get the most out of it even ahead of what the original technology was capable of (shitty framerates on tge n64 come to mind), as long as you're true to the spirit of the game.

[Anonymous No.4668819]

Anyone who can't figure out simple things (like RetroArch...) is too retarded to appreciate accurate emulation regardless.

[Anonymous No.4669049]

>>4668819
Retroarch is shit and elitists like you will never admit it

If you had an option for RetroArch with a non-fucked interface you would drop it in a fucking minute

[Anonymous No.4669052]

>>4668795

Not one single person in this thread talked about physical objects you braindead moron

[Anonymous No.4669106]

>>4669052
My mistake, we're bitching about people who like accurate emulation, because that's really different from complaining about people who prefer hardware
Nobody cares if you like to play N64 games at 4K with hi-res texture packs

[Anonymous No.4669139]

>>4669049
>If you had an option for RetroArch with a non-fucked interface you would drop it in a fucking minute
Any emufag worth their fucking salt knows that stand alone emus > RA.

[Anonymous No.4669165]

>>4668743
>>4668771
We're not talking about how shit my taste is bro lol

[Anonymous No.4669172]

>>4669049
You mean a WIMP interface? RA's interface is fine for controllers/keyboard so I hardly consider that "fucked", but a WIMP interface for desktop use would appease babbies like you more. But anyone who gets seriously tripped up on UI shit needs to go back to R****t.

>>4669139
Nice meme. Standalone emulators are overrated unless you're doing debugging. libretro cores can get better synchronization and input lag because most emulators don't bother optimizing for those things.

[Anonymous No.4669185]

>>4668487
>Seriously, riddle me this - why should I care if an emulator is cycle accurate when I can play with an emulator that has quality of life features? Why deal with compiling and bullshit commands prompts when I can just...play the game?

Probably because that's a false equivalence and you know it.

[Anonymous No.4669271]

>>4669172
Hello, SP

[Anonymous No.4669283]

>>4669271
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.4669286]

>>4669271
Can't possibly be him because he stormed away swearing never to return to 4chan like 4/5 years ago when people started calling him out on his bullshit. Made a big song and dance about IP blocking it and everything, then called us ungrateful for all his meagre contributions to emulation as if he'd made any.

I mean how pathetic would he have to be to return after all this time to defend himself?

[Anonymous No.4669297]

>>4669286
He's been posting here since like 6 months after he stormed out as anon

[Anonymous No.4669307]

what if your friend said you need to be using a baseball mitt from 1926 to enjoy the game correctly?

what if he said you need a 1970s tv to best enjoy the 1970s cartoons the way theyre MEANT to be enjoyed

you would smile and think to yourself wow thats autism and nod your head

yes in a museum or something you'd want to have the perfectly historic setup, otherwise fuck off with the mental ill obsession

[Anonymous No.4669323]

>>4669307
what if you could make your point without using incredibly shitty and irrelevant analogies

[Anonymous No.4669421]

>>4668575
I could say, "fuck Mario and especially Pokemon" right now, but I'm sure probably no one in this bread ever played Mario Kart Arcade GP or Mario Golf and probably thinks it's shovelware. It's like, "Oh my god, who cares if any of this shovelware works, as long as Sonic works!" as they bitch and moan over every GameGear Sonic title as well as Link's Crossbow Training, because they deep down refuse to admit that their mega retro franchises are 70% shit.

[Anonymous No.4669427]

>>4669421
Almost forgot, don't forget those Game & Watch Mario titles and the VirtualBoy ones. Top quality those are, young Skyfucker.

[Dillweed No.4669445]

>>4669323
>yfw you realize your physical collection and wasted time putting it together is stupid

[Anonymous No.4669587]

People don't generally inherently care about accuracy.
But people DO care about compatibility.
Accuracy focused LLE methods memetically guarantee compatibility at the cost of power.
Plenty of people have the excess power to run them.
And even those that do not have the power to run them benefit from advancements made to the non-accurate methods, using information from the accurate one. Like Snes9x's audio back in what, 1.52?
So people push for them hard on that basis.

As for RetroArch that's a completely separate issue to accuracy. There are plenty of inaccurate options within it.
That program is mostly for fine tuning and modifying audio/video output.
Doing things like limiting buffering for latency's sake, positioning and scaling the output specifically as desired, skewing the running rate to sync to monitors easier without changing the refresh rate, resampling audio to avoid distortion, crackling and popping. Things like that.
I would only recommend it if you care about that shit.
If you just want to play and hate its interface, then don't bother. That's fine. It's not what you want.

[Anonymous No.4669676]

>>4668585
>saves up $2 of allowance
>goes to salvation army
>buys nintendo game
>puts in nintendo
>turns nintendo on
>blank screen
>"i knew this wouldn't be easy..."
>painstakingly opens flap
>uses every bone in /vr/ body to press down on nintendo cartridge, releasing it from it's plastic and aluminum tomb
>wipes sweat off brow *panting*
>"i might pass out if I keep this up"
>takes well deserved break to regain his strength
>several hours and 3 dozen chicken nuggets later...
>"okay you bastard, im not done with you yet"
>rips the nintendo cartridge from its 72 pin deathgrip
>tears a ligament
>"MY ARMM!!!!!!!"
>pushing past tears, he uses his breath to blow the dust from the nintendo cartridge's contacts
>blacks out from oxygen deprivation
>awakens 2 hours later
>"must not sleep, must play vidya"
>with a roaring battle cry, he channels the power of all his ancestors and forces that monster of NES cart back into the chamber. in and down in one fell swoop
>he presses the on button
>Duck Hunt
>"now that this saga is over, I can finally enjoy my game, unlike the children who downloaded the game from the internet, because I actually put the time and effort into getting the game and setting it up"

[Anonymous No.4669680]

>>4668585
>saves up $2 of allowance
>goes to salvation army
>buys nintendo game
>puts in nintendo
>turns nintendo on
>blank screen
>"i knew this wouldn't be easy..."
>painstakingly opens flap
>uses every bone in /vr/ body to press down on nintendo cartridge, releasing it from it's plastic and aluminum tomb
>wipes sweat off brow *panting*
>"i might pass out if I keep this up"
>takes well deserved break to regain his strength
>several hours and 3 dozen chicken nuggets later...
>"okay you bastard, im not done with you yet"
>rips the nintendo cartridge from its 72 pin deathgrip
>tears a ligament
>"MY ARMM!!!!!!!"
>pushing past tears, he uses his breath to blow the dust from the nintendo cartridge's contacts
>blacks out from oxygen deprivation
>awakens 2 hours later
>"must not sleep, must play vidya"
>with a roaring battle cry, he channels the power of all his ancestors and forces that monster of a NES cart back into the chamber. in and down in one fell swoop
>he presses the on button
>Duck Hunt
>"now that this saga is over, I can finally enjoy my game, unlike the children who downloaded the game from the internet, because I actually put the time and effort into getting the game and setting it up"

[Anonymous No.4669891]

>>4668487
>hurr who cares about graphical glitches, lag, awful sound, and games being unplayable due to compatibility issues

Congratulations on being so pleb that you're fine with settling for scraps.

[Anonymous No.4669893]

>>4668487

No need to care for anything else but:

EVERYTHING YOU HAVE IS GREAT! EVERYTHING THE OTHERS (autists) HAVE, AND/OR LIKE IS SHIT. If THEY disagree go NUTS on them!

[Anonymous No.4670037]

>>4668487
Low latency is my priority.
Next up is graphical accuracy. PS1 and N64 emulation will never look like the real thing. Fuck scaling graphics to make smooth polygons that cutout all the time. I just want it to look proper (never gonna happen).

[Anonymous No.4670142]

>>4668494
I honestly don't mind the UI. It's customizable just enough to where I've gotten it how I like it. It's just a fickle program when it comes to shit like the thumbnails and renaming roms from within the playlists.

[Anonymous No.4670150]

>>4668487

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94JcCOd2Fno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHoeQT4b0Ls

[Anonymous No.4670160]

Why is everyone hating on Retroarch? Maybe it’s just my niche use case, but I made setting up emulators to run through a front end for an arcade cabinet (with crt super resolutions like 2560x224) pretty painless. It was great for being able to adjust viewport settings

I dunno, trying to get everything running on an arcade monitor with separate emulators was turning into a huge pain in the butt

[Anonymous No.4670163]

>>4670160
I thoroughly enjoy RA.
Like I said >>4670142, the program is a bit fickle, but overall it works well and it's moderately customizable. Plus the ability to load save files from onedrive / dropbox is a nice way to play on multiple machines like I do.

[Anonymous No.4670167]

>>4668487
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

[Anonymous No.4670171]

>>4670167
I didn't even notice this.
Also speaking of controllers, I get the appeal of buying one of the usb versions of older console controllers to play games, but I bought one of the 8Bitdo bluetooth controllers and it works better than I thought it would.

[Anonymous No.4670187]

speedrunners care about accuracy for comparing times

amazing how easily people make generalizations about groups of people, as if any of them can be true

[Anonymous No.4670202]

>>4670160
I've been learning to like it since it's the only option for emulation on modded consoles lately.
It's just not "THEE" one solution for emulation. That seems to bother people. 2D games play just fine but 3D games have a lot of overhead.

Also, if you're sitting at a computer then a frontend is unnecessary. Just double click the rom file.

[Anonymous No.4670207]

>>4668585
all save states is does is save you the time of re following all the correct steps over and over which is tedious, unless you're really abusing it and say fighting a boss you attack successfully once and save and repeat unless you are hit you reload which itself is just as tedious and removes any fun.

[Anonymous No.4670208]

>>4670171
>8Bitdo bluetooth controllers
I can understand buying classic controller replicas but not this. When you get into the $40 price range you may as well just get a DS4. At least then you'll get a touchpad and gyro, and pretty much a guarantee it won't break down quickly since they're designed for modern aggressive console faggots.

[Anonymous No.4670218]

>>4670208
I like it honestly. I can go between my computer and playing emulated games, then move to playing games on my switch with it easily.

[Anonymous No.4670221]

>>4670218
Google says you need the same adapter regardless and it works with DS4 as well. Sounds gay.

[Anonymous No.4670229]

>>4670221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJWQk0y7q28

[Anonymous No.4672191]

>> 4668783
this door (aka remake) is absolute shit
I ended up in real hardware, that torture!
a thing or two is cool, but the rest sucks. principally the autistic control layout.
I just played it because I'm a fan of the Megami Tensei universe, but no more.

[Anonymous No.4672192]

>>4672191
>>4668783
this door (aka remake) is absolute shit
I ended up in real hardware, that torture!
a thing or two is cool, but the rest sucks. principally the autistic control layout.
I just played it because I'm a fan of the Megami Tensei universe, but no more.

[Anonymous No.4672285]

>>4668487
>As long as the game works, why should anyone care about accuracy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VQSzdi84mo

[Anonymous No.4672562]

>>4668487
>quality of life
intothetrashitgoes.jpg

[Anonymous No.4672563]

>>4672285
D I S C O

[Anonymous No.4672568]

>>4668494
RA for android doesn't look bad.

[Anonymous No.4672570]

Retroarch is the best thing that ever happened to emulation. Everyone who still plays on two dozen different emulators that have to be manually configured is beyond help.

And what's the problem with the UI? I think it works and looks very well.

[Anonymous No.4672571]

>>4672568
I've not used it on Android, but I do like the touchscreen style UI, the one called GLUI, best.

[Anonymous No.4672576]

>>4669680
10/10

[Anonymous No.4673156]

>>4670142
can u tell me how to set up retroarch

[Anonymous No.4673347]

>>4668487
>quality of life features
You mean save states so you can actually make it past the first level on Altered Beast?

>As long as the game works
Only an underage poorfag casual would say a game emulated inaccurately "works"

[Anonymous No.4674320]

>>4673347
>make it past the first level on Altered Beast
you say this like it's a bad thing.
>>4673156
Find the nearest live electrical socket and stick your dick in it.

[Anonymous No.4674325]

>>4674320
>Find the nearest live electrical socket and stick your dick in it.
Top 5 ways to set up an emulator. You may find the results shocking!!

[Anonymous No.4674435]

I don't care about "accuracy." And I grew up playing 8 bit games on a tube TV. It seems like most of the spergs who care are hipster millenials who weren't even alive for Atari/NES or even SNES/Genesis

[Anonymous No.4674490]

>>4673347
>You mean save states so you can actually make it past the first level on Altered Beast?

Lol who would play that shitty game

[Anonymous No.4674505]

>>4674435
"games working without breaking bugs" and "accuracy" go hand in hand, to some degree, m8

[Anonymous No.4674551]

>>4673156
Literally download it and then you're set kiddo

[Anonymous No.4674578]

BUT HE JUST SAID WOO

[Anonymous No.4674761]

>>4670208
You do know 8bitdo also has gyro and you can use it with the switch, right? You wouldn't be retarded enough to spill shit without knowing stuff beforehand would you?

[Anonymous No.4674792]

>>4668585
>muh savestates are bad
Get out grandpa

[Anonymous No.4674807]

On this note, what emulators act like the console on superior hardware, not suffering slowdown and shit? I know Dolphin has this but that's all I can think of.

[Anonymous No.4674809]

this thread is brought to you by tunnel bear

[Anonymous No.4674836]

>>4668487
Accuracy is a must for preservation purposes.
There NEEDS to exist accurate ways to simulate/emulate a system.

On the other hand. sure, non-100% accurate emulators are just fine be me.

If I just want to play mario kart on my old laptop, I can't run bsnes on that thing, dual core 2ghz isn't enough for it. But snes9x does the job just fine, I don't care if it's not 100% perfect, or the sound doesn't sound ""exactly as it should"" who cares, I just want to play the game,

[Anonymous No.4675057]

>>4674792
Yes, you got it, cheating is bad.

[Anonymous No.4675276]

>>4675057
How is it cheating? And even if it is, why would it be bad? It's a time-saving """cheat""", nothing more and those types of cheats aren't actual cheating. And it's a more convenient way of saving the game.

[Anonymous No.4675318]

>>4668487
>Nobody cares about emulation accuracy
are you fucking kidding? it's important, dumb ass.

> RetroArch is shit for this
> be you
> being this sad and pathetic that you're using RetroArch

0/10 quality shit post.

[Anonymous No.4675731]

>>4674836
>or the sound doesn't sound ""exactly as it should""
As of like 1.52 that shouldn't be an issue. Blaarg's LLE audio, which bSNES probably still uses, got ported to 9x around then.

[Anonymous No.4676145]

>>4675276
>How is it cheating?
Manipulating the game using an external device. There's no difference between emulator save states and a game genie.

[Anonymous No.4676168]

>>4676145
>single player games
>cheating
There's no such thing unless you gameshark or use cheat codes that will give you an advantage so big that you're basically immortal or skipping levels. But, if you're playing something that doesn't punish death (a very large number of videogames), a cheat code for infinite lives is nothing but a time saver, not an actual cheat. Especially if you've already finished the said game before. Same applies to save states and speed hacks. A save state doesn't give you an advantage, it just saves time and gives you the convenience of permanently exporting it as a save file. Speed hacks are there just to make your turn based games and games with tons of text go faster. I think almost nobod uses those two in any way that would be considered harmful.
If you're dumb enough to grind for something in a game that you've finished multiple times then it's your problem. And just because you've invested hours into a game before realizing that save states exist doesn't mean that nobody should use them. Society evolved, everyone has less free time so they have less time to invest into gaming. Not everyone is a NEET.

[Anonymous No.4676181]

>>4676145
>Manipulating the game using an external device.
Humans are an external device. Even your console is an external device which could have been upgraded, by the first party, at any time during it's life. So there's nothing wrong with emulators. And there are legit reasons for why savestates are good.
>game can't be saved because save feature wasn't invented yet
>game's save feature is shit
>you can't save unless you're in the menu of some sort
>you want to copy the save file to another device
All older games are mechanically outdated. The only thing keeping them on life support are the emulators which make the experience of playing those games less shit in many cases.
If everyone was a brain dead conservative purist like you then nobody would even play retro games and they'd be completely forgotten.

[Anonymous No.4676187]

>>4672570
>Retroarch is the best thing that ever happened to emulation
Tell it to not throw a cuntfit when I pick a game on my list because I didn't add it in a specific way. Retroarch is proof that emulators can suffer autism.

[Anonymous No.4676256]

>>4676187
Not him but that's because you're using the playlist option. You're building a library. That's always going to have some sort of trouble with only selecting things it knows of by default.
Most emulators don't even have a playlist option.
I just load content normally instead. Much easier that way. No fancy boxart/screenshots or whatever, but I use GLUI anyway so yeah.

[Anonymous No.4676532]

>>4668487
Emulators are for poorfags who never owned any of those systems & games growing up. So they pirate this shit on their PC, claiming to be PC Master Race but playing emulated console games instead of the PC counterparts? Why? Because console versions are actually better? So much for this master race crap they spew when they're playing our games. Plus many PC ports were shit point & click adventure games.

[Anonymous No.4676536]

>>4676532
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.4676735]

>>4676187
I like the idea of retroarch, but somehow the whole thing just kinda sucks. Maybe it's trying to do too much?
More often than not, I find that the problems I encounter are not by any means insurmountable, but they are such an annoyance that it's hard not attribute my irritability to the lack of foresight to what is enabled by default. If it's not the awful ui (which I rarely use anyway) it's the hotkeys. if it's not the shitty performance (comparably) it's the missing options. It makes for a shitty experience until or unless you're willing to go through and customize everything.

I would be much happier with something that glued the original executables together.

[Anonymous No.4676806]

>>4676735

>It makes for a shitty experience until or unless you're willing to go through and customize everything.

Configuring the whole thing doesn't even take five minutes.

[Anonymous No.4676836]

>>4668487
>ZSNES is my preferred SNES emulator
You must be deaf, or you're just ignorant and you don't know what a SNES actually sounds like.

[Anonymous No.4676846]

>>4676806
>even take five minutes
this might be true if you're intimately familiar with the options, which are unimaginatively renamed for no reason and then be willing to tweak things further in order to match the experience you'd get if you had just run the game in the real emulator.
Not to mention I am an adult who plays retrogames for less than 5minutes at a time anyway.

[Anonymous No.4677213]

>>4676735
I think the whole point of the program is trying to do as much as possible on the side of I/O and configuration. Not so much naming all options well and sensible as having them in the first place.
Most programs won't let you customize the viewport, stack shaders, limit buffering for latency's sake, skew the running rate to match the monitor, or resample audio to match the difference.
The defaults suck ass but it's not by any means for people who use defaults.
If you don't specifically know what you want to do with the program I wouldn't recommend it to begin with.
>>4676806 >>4676846
It's worth noting that's 5 minutes for the base program. Most settings are reused for all cores. That can make it faster than setting up several individual standalone emus.

[Anonymous No.4677219]

>>4669680
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.4677227]

>>4669680
heroes like this wear capes disguised as bibs.

[Anonymous No.4677263]

The amount of autism in this thread is unreal. Just play on an emulator if you want to, play with original hardware if you want to. Who gives this much of a shit? Why even make this thread when both options are perfectly harmless and equally acceptable?

Seriously, you do you.

[Anonymous No.4677282]

>>4675057
I could save in PC games in the 1980s, why is being able to save in another game bad?

[Anonymous No.4677283]

>>4677282
you're only cheating yourself, anon, but by extension you cheat everyone and you know it.

[Anonymous No.4677328]

>>4677283
>Saving in a PC game isn't cheating
>Saving the same way on a console game is.

Logic isn't your strong suit, is it?

[Anonymous No.4677346]

>>4677328
Ya gotta savestate on that password screen. I ain't writing that shit down, nigga.

[Anonymous No.4677372]

>>4677283
Dude there are save states for classic Sega Genesis titles on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection & the Sega Genesis Flashback HD console. Saving isn't cheating.

[Anonymous No.4677383]

>>4677346
Password screens typically don't store the entire state of a console. At best passwords can only save what level you're on, the items you have, and if you're lucky your current score and lives.

[Anonymous No.4677578]

>>4673347
>Altered Beast
Hate this game, why is this shit still taking the space of literally any other decent game on every compilation Sega has ever made? It's literally a product of its time so Sega could pretend they had something to sell to anyone that wasn't Brazilian. I wouldn't hate it if it wasn't everywhere.

[Anonymous No.4677587]

>>4677383
If it's late, I have 2 options on console:
1. Leave it on overnight
2. Write down a stupid code

Savestate is just the same as leaving it on overnight.

[Anonymous No.4677893]

>>4668487
MAME developers care hugely about accuracy. It depends entirely of the emulator if accuracy is favored or not.
Your "knowledge" seems to only include Nintendo emulators and you don't probably understand what you are talking about. I doubt you were even born when most of these systems were used.

[Anonymous No.4677895]

>>4668487
this is a nice image
I wish I could create images like this

[Anonymous No.4677905]

>>4669680
Nailed and preserved.

[Anonymous No.4678361]

>>4677587
Stop arguing with the retard. He's trolling or has severe autism.

[Anonymous No.4679937]

>>4668487

Wanting a cycle perfect emulator to play on is autistic. Making an emulator is a nice pet project though.

Alternatively having an emulator thats inaccurate as fuck and needs speedhacks to work (zsnes) is just pants on head if youve got tons of other options. Im glad most normalfags have moved past that garbage.

[Anonymous No.4679973]

>>4668558
This is retarded

Of course it's better on original hardware but if it's a choice between emulation or not playing a certain game, I'll take emulation.

[Anonymous No.4680871]

>>4676532
Back in the day, until around the sixth generation, consoles were actually superior to PCs, and we respect this.

Then consoles became locked-down laptop-speed PCs.

[Anonymous No.4681467]

>>4680871
Arguable. There were countless computer enthusiasts who would disagree.
Most of the second generation was fucking dominated by PCs. The C64 even held its own through the video game crash of 1983, which is incredibly impressive.
On a technical level, PCs were superior. And if you wanted strategy, simulation, or porn games, they were the way to go.
Consoles were better in their own way, but never really superior.

Consoles were ~always~ locked down underpowered PCs, intentionally with incredibly limited controls even.
But it was actually the main selling point. I can respect THAT.
Weak enough to mass produce at a reasonable price to fit into the common working class home. Not replaced with something stronger every year or so. A proper Family Computer (Like Famicom lol).
That made it a very accessible market for game development.
A guarantee that the system would be widely available in many families homes already, every game would run almost if not exactly the same between every console of the same type, and do so for several years. With controls consistently simple enough young children to pick them up even without explanation.

[Anonymous No.4681862]

>>4674836
even byuu has said there is literally no reason to use bsnes/higan over snes9x, there is very little difference when playing either

[Anonymous No.4681886]

>>4681862
Yeah, key word being to 'USE' it.
Accuracy focused emulators and components are more for debuggers or example software implementations to look to when improving other software and components. They're not generally for use unless the user happens to have available hardware and isn't actually using it for anything else.

[Anonymous No.4683941]

>>4681862
>there is very little difference when playing either
now, after they were proven to have some gamebreaking bugs due to inaccurate emulation

[Anonymous No.4684609]

ZSNES is SO god damn A E S T E T I C. Supposedly there are better/'more accurate' emulators out there but the form factor of ZSNES is too good to pass up. Why does every other emulator look so shitty?

[Anonymous No.4684695]

>>4684609
Try ZMZ.

[Anonymous No.4684720]

>>4684609
More energy is spent on what counts?

[Anonymous No.4684860]

>>4668585
Was it it with all the people on /vr/ who have chips on their shoulders and something to prove? Who gives a fuck so long as you're having fun? They're called videoGAMEs for a reason.

[Anonymous No.4684861]

>>4684609
At least other emulators don't sync the mouse to DOS tier speeds. Fuck I hated that. No amount of snow and color options ever made up for that shit.

[Anonymous No.4684869]

>>4684860
It's important to take some games seriously sometimes. Like social interaction, law, economics. Those are all incredibly important, serious games.
I agree it's silly, but so is that argument.

[Anonymous No.4684923]

>>4684869
Fair point but it just gets tiring seeing threads get derailed by insecure manchildren trying to one up each other

[Anonymous No.4684930]

>>4684923
They're just trying to make value distinctions between their available choices. It's totally fair and actually on topic, believe it or not.

[Anonymous No.4685098]

>>4680871
Console's are not PC's or Laptop. Since consoles are specifically design to play games & connect to your CRT TV. Unlike a PC where a monitor was required instead of using your own CRT TV. Another advantage consoles had over PC was light gun games & 3D games(requiring 3D glasses, like the one that the Sega Master System had), which only works on a CRT TV.

[Anonymous No.4685817]

>>4685098
PCs before the 5th or 6th console generation frequently used TVs for output. C64 being probably the best example.
https://www.gamespot.com/genre/light-gun/pc/
Light guns were used on CRT monitors just fine. Also, light pens were pretty much a CRT monitor only thing.
None of this is relevant to his argument.

[Anonymous No.4686440]

>>4685098
>i wear my age one my sleeve
>it's covered in snot
wew lad

[Anonymous No.4687067]

>>4668573
Anyone but children are into them, my cousin comes to me and ask about games I always show him neogeo and other games that I run in emulators because thats all I have and I download new ones frequently and he never likes them, and complaints that "why don't you have new games like assassins creed and says I used to be cool because I played new games" well guess what buddy core 2 duo doesn't remain new all its goddamn life

[Anonymous No.4687135]

OP is completely right. In fact emulation should be completely abandoned in favor of software that plays console games, but is not gimped by their lack of functionality. A prime example is ZSNES and the various superior hacks that exceed the console's capabilities. Inferior emulators may choke on those ROMs, but literally who gives a fuck?

[Anonymous No.4687636]

>>4687135
I would buy that trash container.

[Anonymous No.4687649]

>>4684609
You can get snow in RetroArch you know

[Anonymous No.4687769]

>>4687649
yeah, but it's shitty snow. Zsnes has way better snow.

[Anonymous No.4687835]

>>4674435
>I don't care about accuracy. I grew up playing games accurately

????

[Anonymous No.4687898]

>>4668585
This.

Tried out emulation for about a week before it became intolerable. Shit is in no way the same experience.

[Anonymous No.4687924]

>>4687898
you probably just don't know how to setup your system. Emulation is almost always a better experience if done properly.

[Anonymous No.4687963]

>>4687898
Intolerable in what way? I'm guaranteed you swallowed too many /vr/ memes and will simply not allow yourself to enjoy them.

[Anonymous No.4688358]

>>4687898
If I had to guess you probably just got yourself overwhelmed in the freedom, unable to choose a direction. Instead of just focusing on one game people end up confused as to why they'd choose any game over another, or even worse why they'd play at all. Existential issues are a bitch.
It happens on real hardware too, when given unlimited games or money and space to get games.
Same with cheating, god mode takes most of the GAME part away turning everything into nothing more than a timesink.
Just got to have some self discipline and control in general.

[Anonymous No.4688571]

>>4687924
Nah. He probably just doesn't like that "better experience"

[Anonymous No.4688910]

>>4668487
>an emulator that has quality of life features
that exists?

[Anonymous No.4689352]

>>4688358
damn. i was going to play some mario today but i think i'll just kill myself instead

[Anonymous No.4689356]

>>4689352
Oh no.

[Anonymous No.4689365]

>>4687769