Shmups

[Anonymous No.4659615]

I'm not young, but I'm just now getting into these games. I have been playing a ton of R-Type Delta and Einhander. Can anyone recommend me some other good ones? What are your favorites? Why did no one ever tell me that the FFTactics composer did music for this type of game?

[Anonymous No.4659618]

Go play some Psikyo. Their STGs will make you into a man.

[Anonymous No.4659750]

Xexex is peak.

[Anonymous No.4659886]

>>4659615
Einhander has so many secrets, what difficulty are you playing it on?

[Anonymous No.4659948]

>>4659615
Play the Parodius Series

[Anonymous No.4660072]

>>4659615
>Recommend
Are you just looking for stuff on PS1, or are you open to emulation? Either way, PS1 had some good ones. Here are the one that I can verify are fun.
The Raiden Project
Raystorm
R-Types
Thunder Force V
Raycrisis, I guess. Some people swear it's great, but I thought it was average.

I don't know if you're a buyer or an emulator. Here are the good import titles I've played.
Harmful Park
Zanaz X Zanac
Gradius Gaiden
Donpachi
Dodonpachi

The two Cave games are arcade ports. If you want to experience them better, you get MAME running. In general, I'd suggest going on MAME, downloading a bunch of stuff you think looks interesting, and trying them for yourself. That's how I found a lot of my favorite stuff.

[Anonymous No.4660083]

>>4659615

If you mean shmups in general, try radiant silvergun, ikaruga, batsugun, and not shmup but try metal slug x too.

[Anonymous No.4660142]

For beginners I recommend: Gradius V, Axelay, DoDonPachi DaiFukkatsu, Mushihimesama, Jamestown, Crimzon Clover, Sine Mora and perhaps Ikaruga.

If you like Danmaku (Bullet Hell, Maniac Shooters) CAVE shooters like DonPachi, DoDonPachi, ESPGaluda, Mushihimesama, Deathsmiles, Muchi Muchi Pork & Pink Sweets, Ketsui and Akai Katana are amazing, easy to play but hard to master and have cool scoring systems. All the Touhou Project games are fun too, but to brutal hard for the beginner.

More great STG to consider: M. U. S. H. A. (Aleste), Space Megaforce (Super Aleste), Raiden series, Darius series (Dariusburst is great), Battle Garegga, The Guardian Legend (Adventure/STG), Parodius series, eXceed series, U. N. Squadron, Chariot, Time Pilot, Sonic Wings (Aero Fighters) series, 19XX, Salamander series, Last Resort, Space Harrier, Gaiares, Thunder force series, Fantasy Zone series, Ibara, Panzer Dragoon series, Batsu trilogy (Batsugun, Batrider, Bakraid), Zanac, Kiki KaiKai series, Iridion series, Bio-Hazard Battle, Radiant Silvergun, Sigma Star Saga (RPG/STG), R-Type series, Summer Carnival '92 Recca, Xexex, TwinBee series, Xevious, Star Soldier series, Zombie Nation, Flying Shark (Sky Shark), Hellfire, Raptor, Jets' n' Guns, Syder Arcade, Castle of Shikigami series, Twinkle Star Sprites, Cotton series, Dimahoo, Pulstar, Cho Aniki, Prehistoric Isle series, Strania: The Stella Machina, Blazing Star, Gundemonium series.

[Anonymous No.4660163]

>>4660142
This guy, listen to this man. Every last one of those game he mentioned are great, except Cho Aniki and Hellfire. Cho Aniki is average and stops being funny somewhere around when you've seen outrageous muscleman #99999 and realize that it's telling the same 4 jokes over and over again. Hellfire is bland.

Also, Batsugun has nothing to do with Batrider and Bakraid. They're good games, but the first one is unrelated to the second two.

[Anonymous No.4660205]

>>4659886
I didn't think you could select the difficulty. I press start and it just goes.

[Anonymous No.4660209]

>>4660142
Damn. I have a ton of things to do now...

[Anonymous No.4660224]

>>4659615
Sumer Carnival '92 - Recca
Blazing Lazers
Super Star Soldier
Soldier Blade
Final Soldier
Seirei Senshi Spriggan
Space Megaforce
Zanac
Gun Nac
The Guardian Legend
MUSHA
Axelay
Gradius
Gradius II
Gradius III
Gradius IV
Gradius V
Parodius da! Shinwa kara Owarai he
Gokujou Parodius
Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius
Sexy Parodius
Radiant Silvergun
Ikaruga
anything by ABA Games (they're freeware, so you have no excuse not to download these)
The Last Eichhof (also freeware)
XEXEX
Crisis Force
1942
1943
1943 Kai
1941
1944
194X
Strikers 1945
Strikers 1945 II
Strikers 1945 III
Strikers 1945 Plus
Gigawing
Gigawing II
Mars Matrix
DonPachi
DoDonPachi
DoDonPachi DaiOuJou
DoDonPachi DaiFukkatsu
DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou
ESP Ra.De.
Espgaluda
Espgaluda II
Dangun Feveron / Fever S.O.S.
Guwange
Progear
Ketsui
Mushihimesama
Mushihimesama Futari
Ibara
Ibara Kuro - Black Label
Pink Sweets - Ibara Sorekara
Muchi Muchi Pork!
Deathsmiles
Deathsmiles II
Akai Katana
Dogyuun
Batsugun
Cotton Fantastic Night Dreams
Marchen Adventures Cotton 100%
Cotton 2
Cotton Boomerang
Panorama Cotton
Rainbow Cotton
Detana!! TwinBee
Pop'n TwinBee (SNES)
TwinBee Yahho!
Galaga '88
Space Bomber
Centipede
Millipede
In the Hunt
X-Multiply
R-Type
R-Type II (as well as the "enhanced" port on SNES entitled "Super R-Type")
R-Type III
R-Type Leo
R-Type Delta
R-Type Final

[Anonymous No.4660232]

>>4660224
Raiden Fighters
Raiden Fighters 2
Raiden Fighters Jet
Pulstar
Blazing Star
Armed Police Unit Gallop
Raptor - Call of the Shadows

[Anonymous No.4660258]

>>4660072
I'm an emulator. Too poor. I've always loved emulation anyway, but I haven't really spent any time with shooters beyond ESP Ra.De. (I know a weird one right?) and Change Air Blade (this game is fun as hell even though it's bad)

[Anonymous No.4660326]

Cho Aniki is just for laughs only, if you need to play a kusoge STG game, play this one.

Hellfire is average, but fun. Personal choice.

The Batsu trilogy, isn't official, "spiritual sequel" is a more accurate term. Three great games with several elements in common.

I forgot to mention Firepower 2000 for the SNES, underrated STG.

[Anonymous No.4660352]

>>4660209
Don't worry, enjoy and play at your own pace.

[Anonymous No.4660359]

>>4660163
Cho Aniki is just for laughs only, if you need to play a kusoge STG game, play this one.

Hellfire is average, but fun. Personal choice.

The Batsu trilogy, isn't official, "spiritual sequel" is a more accurate term. Three great games with some elements in common.

I forgot to mention Firepower 2000 for the SNES, underrated STG.

[Anonymous No.4660369]

>>4660205
Check out the options, hard mode is GODDAMN challenging. I'm the only person I know who is capable of beating it on hard.

[Anonymous No.4660381]

>>4660352
Yeah, so far just two is a ton. Thanks for all the recommendations!
>>4660369
Okay I figured out there's an options mode and I've been playing on normal. So far I've made it to level 3 with the crab-looking laser boss. In R Type Delta I keep getting game overs underwater in level 2.

[Anonymous No.4660391]

>>4660381
If you can get past that, and the next level, true hell awaits in the waterways.

Also, the best gun in the game is unlock able in the next level. I'll give you a hint, you gotta crack it open and not let a single one past.

Best to use the light saber.

[Anonymous No.4660443]

>>4660381
>In R Type Delta I keep getting game overs underwater in level 2.
Welcome to my life.

Also in Einhander, all the guns you've ever equipped are unlocked as a starter gun pod when you game over. So on a fresh save I like to do an unlocking run, just grab every gun pod type you can find, game over, make a save, then do a proper run. The Grenade is a fantastic early gun to unlock because it fucks bosses up very quickly.

[Anonymous No.4660446]

>>4660443
>>Grenade

It fucks bosses up crazy fast.

[Anonymous No.4660474]

G-Darius is fun

https://youtu.be/tZ-D-FA0Dx0

[Anonymous No.4660708]

Carax'95
Cho Ren Sha 68k

[Anonymous No.4661832]

>>4659615
Everyone’s lists are good here, but if it’s one game I personally recommend it’s Armed Police Batrider.

[Anonymous No.4661841]

>>4659615
Genre died when the hardcore audience went from "let's learn the game" to "let's imitate a youtube superplay".

[Anonymous No.4661848]

>>4660142
Copy-pasted this like a motherfucker.

Also, should I whip out my fight stick or will a pad do?

[Anonymous No.4661858]

Remember when players cared about breaking their high score?

I remember.

[Anonymous No.4661873]

>>4660142
>All the Touhou Project games are fun too, but to brutal hard for the beginner.
ABSOLUTE fucking drivel, touhou is easy as fuck and much easier than arcade bar a couple of th lunatic modes so don't talk fucking bollocks.

Yeah we can all just list every game we know you fucking plum but it's obvious to me you know little about actual play, suggesting pink sweets makes it obvious whilst not mentioning ddp daioujou and akai katana is not amazing at all with deathsmiles being far superior and a great beginner game and progear being much better if you want a hori danmaku. Also what the FUCK is the "batsu trilogy"? you literally made that up you feral cock trumpet, batsugun is made by fucking toaplan and armed police batrider by raizing, both it and bakraid are sequels to garegga.

>>4660163
>This guy, listen to this man.
don't because he doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

>>4660359
>The Batsu trilogy, isn't official, "spiritual sequel" is a more accurate term. Three great games with some elements in common.

NO THEY FUCKING AREN'T you abosolute cock womble, why the fuck does vr know cunt all about anything? where the fuck does your retard brain get this nonsense info from? batsugun was made by toaplan who disbanded and formed into other companies (cave for one) and has absolutely NO relation to garegga which was inspired by gun frontier (yagawas fav game), No relation to batrider which was a garegga sequel of sorts and NO relation to bakraid. Ibara is the spiritual sequel of garegga, now fuck off and get your facts straight in future.

>>4661832
the latter isn't possible without the former.

[Anonymous No.4661875]

>>4661848
>Also, should I whip out my fight stick or will a pad do?
whichever feels most comfy to you, im better than this bunch of dildos and i use a ps1 pad ffs.

[Anonymous No.4661881]

>>4661873
Calm your autism. He probably just had a freudian slip and confused Batsugun with Battle Garegga.

[Anonymous No.4661887]

>>4661875
Doing Gradius V with a Dualshock 4, cannot even get past Stage 1 in Normal difficulty.

Just how fucking casualized are the modern games?!!? My eyes are open.

[Anonymous No.4661890]

>>4659615
>>4659886
>>4660205
>>4660369
>>4660381
>>4660391
>>4660443
>>4660446
Look guys, All I want to talk about is Einhander.

I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.4661959]

I am looking for a shmup (regardless of how obscure), that would fit these criteria:

- horizontal (euro?)shmup (vertical is ok, if fits other criteria, but horizontal is vastly preferable)
- mandatory ship momentum simulation (no "raw" arcade-style controls)
- as few Gradius/R-Type references of any kind as possible
- level layouts built just so to be occasionally utilized as cover

Longer version of the request:

"I am looking for a non-shit (regardless of however obscure) HORIZONTAL SHMUP (vertical could be fine as well, but horizontal is preferable), that would fit these very specific criteria:

1) Software-side MOMENTUM SIMULATION on a ship. "Raw" acrade-style controls depend on usage of arcade stick - and the games, that use arcade-style raw input, are simply, in my opinion, unplayable on keyboard, due to it being discrete. Shmups, where the momentum is simulated by the game itself, not by the movement of a stick (be it arcade stick or thumbstick) ARE perfectly playable using discrete controls.

tl;dr: I want to use KEYBOARD, I need SIMULATED MOMENTUM physics in the game in order to do that.

2) No multiple, no force, certainly no Moai heads or patterns copied from Gradius. In general, AS LITTLE GRADIUS/R-TYPE COPYPASTE AS POSSIBLE. The game needs to do its own thing gameplay-wise and artistry-wise.

3) Not a "what the fuck is even happening" flash/explosion-stravaganza, simple, apparent hitboxes (so, please, no cute anime witches on brooms from some doujin), no 5-frame input lag, certainly not a fucking bullethell. Some interesting level layouts requiring precision of movement, usage of cover and precisely calculated and timed attacks are preferable.

4) It should be playable and (gasp!) somewhat fun, regardless of how obscure it is."

Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.4661976]

>>4661890
I'll let you know my progress with the game soon. I continued R Type Delta last night, but that area with the bees and the fish...

[Anonymous No.4661985]

>>4661873
does icycalm post in every shooter thread holy shit

[Anonymous No.4661990]

>>4661959
Ether Vapor

[Anonymous No.4662005]

>>4661985
you can find more of his shitposts here

>>>/vg/208434503

[Anonymous No.4662016]

>>4662005
Every single STG autist sounds like one person to me. How do you pick out individual posters? Do you just recognise what games they like?

[Anonymous No.4662094]

>>4662016
you can point out cee easily with his poor spelling, aggressive and condescending tone, and british slang

[Anonymous No.4662141]

Is Gradius Collection for the PSP a good way to get into shmups? I got a Vita and I'd rather play these kinds of games on a handheld.

[Anonymous No.4662153]

>>4660142
You think Cave shooters are easier than Touhou? DonPachi is pretty easy (by the genres standards) but the first loop of Ketsui is harder than Lunatic mode of most Touhou games. I have never got to the second loop of Ketsui but I know its ridiculously fucking hard and definitely harder than anything Zun has ever made.

[Anonymous No.4662156]

>>4662141
These games are unsuited to handhelds in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.4662157]

>>4662141
Yeah, that thing is great. Very good ports and easy modes make even the harder ones like 3 and 4 manageable.

[Anonymous No.4662238]

>>4661887
>Doing Gradius V with a Dualshock 4, cannot even get past Stage 1 in Normal difficulty.
learn the game, thats a great dpad and afaik pegboy uses one and has tons of amazing clears.

>>4661881
he was wrong and needed to be scolded.

>>4662094
>aggressive
bollocks.

>>4662153
>DonPachi is pretty easy (by the genres standards)
more vr drivel, the loop is not easy at all.

>>4662153
>I have never got to the second loop of Ketsui
i've got to both of them, ura is brutal, the suicide bullets are fast.

[Anonymous No.4662327]

>>4662238
I didn't really like DonPachi and beat it on one of my first tries after already beating the sequel maybe that does make me unable to gauge its difficulty.

I died almost straightaway the only time Ireached the tsuujou loop. Its on my to do list but after beating the supposed last boss I guess I lost focus and got disheartened when I died almost straightaway.

[Anonymous No.4662403]

>>4662141
It might just be my shitty eyesight but I can't play those games on a PSP.

[Anonymous No.4662674]

>>4661976
Dude Astraea FGA Mk. I is the shit. Cannon AND Vulcan? Wasp AND Cannon!? This is way easier now that I'm using this stupid strong ship.

[Anonymous No.4662754]

Beat level 3 with 1 continue left!! I thought I was done after that annoying laser crab but then there was more.

[Anonymous No.4663797]

>>4660072
To the people playing PS1 games via popsloader on PS2. Are there any games you have found have notable lag or are you able play them fine.

[Anonymous No.4663856]

>>4659615
The Amiga had a couple of exclusive Shmups that were both very atypical and also had great music

Like Apidya or Agony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9UTnUcyED0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RnxYPpMKI

[Anonymous No.4663863]

>>4663856
Music by Chris Hülsbeck is always a plus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZK14CyuKpk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJNbDidxcM

[Anonymous No.4663876]

>>4660142
>For beginners I recommend: DoDonPachi DaiFukkatsu
U wot m8. If you want to scare them away from the genre forever maybe.
Beginners should try games like Tyrion, Raptor: Call of the Shadows or Hyper Duel.

[Anonymous No.4663952]

>Play NES Gradius
>Can't even pass stage 1

A-Artificial difficulty, trial and error gameplay!
Did I managed to save face?

[Anonymous No.4664165]

any touhou guy here? I want to ask is changing default number of lives not cheating? I saw several videos on youtube with 1cc in title and they all had like 6 lives wtf. all this time I was playing with 2 lives and thought changing them will not give me 1cc.

[Anonymous No.4664186]

>>4664165
Fuck off touhoufag

[Anonymous No.4664194]

>>4663876
Euroshmups should not be playedd by anyone, beginner or otherwise. But I agree about your other point. Trying to start off with a clusterfuck like DoDonpachi or Mars Matrix will scare off a newbie who isn't autistic enough about the genre yet to see the appeal

[Anonymous No.4664218]

>>4664194
I started with Ketsui so must be autistic.
Speaking of autism Espgaluda and every Cave game that came before it are retro right?

[Anonymous No.4664236]

>>4664218
Cave is shit

[Anonymous No.4664284]

>>4664236
Wow, I never thought of them that way before. Thanks for opening my mind with your wise insight anon!

[Anonymous No.4664301]

>>4663856
Agony is terrible and the music is godawful. Apidya is a million times better.

[Anonymous No.4664393]

>>4662674
It's okay. There is a secret red version with near infinite ammo, its much better.

I find that the Endymion FRS MK.II is the best, you just gotta be fast at switching the 3 pods.

[Anonymous No.4664704]

>>4664393
Yeah, I noticed that I'm not. I like the Astraea and the other endymion but moreso the astraea because dual guns.

Meanwhile in R-Type Delta, I finally made it to level 3...

[Anonymous No.4664726]

>>4664704
It's a worthwhile skill to gain.

Having the ability to farm vulcan, wasp, and most especially, cannon for the bosses is pretty much essential.

[Anonymous No.4666179]

>>4659615
help me out guys, I remember playing this horizontal shmup once where you would become a mech if you got a power up or something, which one is it ? I think it was for the ps1 or snes

[Anonymous No.4666205]

Why do people call the secret ship the "Red Selene". That's not it's fucking name.

[Anonymous No.4666216]

>>4666179
might be one of these:

hyper duel (arcade and saturn)

macross scrambled valkyrie (snes)

[Anonymous No.4666362]

>>4666205
Its good enough. We all know exactly what you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.4667260]

>>4664165
it sort of is cheating, the game reduces your end score when you change default lives, a penalty because you made things easier. You get extra lives in almost every game which are plentiful.

[Anonymous No.4667921]

When does Einhander start getting fun? This game is boring

[Anonymous No.4667968]

If I had to play just *one* game to try and break into this genre, which should it be? I've been recommended Jamestown and thought the aesthetic was pretty neat (and the game itself satisfying to play) but I wasn't fully hooked on it.

Giving Recca a go right now as it seemed pretty impressive for an 8-bit game, but not expecting to play it for very long. What else should I try?

[Anonymous No.4668059]

>>4660359
>if you need to play a kusoge STG game

Lol

[Anonymous No.4668063]

>>4659750
Honestly assumed I was the only one who remembered this pastel coloured madness from the arcade. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.4668080]

Anyone remember Ordyne? Seem to recall loving it on arcade cabinet but not played it in 20+ years. Yes I am that old.

[Anonymous No.4668130]

>>4667968
Espgaluda. I'm pretty sure its retro since its an arcade game on a board that came out pre 2000

[Anonymous No.4668143]

>>4667968
try Elemental Masters for the Genesis

[Anonymous No.4668345]

Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire for the PC Engine CD is great. Problem is there isn't an accurate rom released and the game is very rare.

[/metal/ Essentials - Every Day(...) No.4668424]

>>4662153
You're goddamn right. Touhou Project games are hard as horsecock, lunatic is madness. DoDonPachi was a pretty stupid beginner recommendation. Maybe Deathsmiles? Great scoring system + power-up mode.
Cave games are hard as futa whalecock.

[Anonymous No.4668427]

>>4662153

You're goddamn right. Touhou Project games are hard as horsecock, lunatic is madness. DoDonPachi was a pretty stupid beginner recommendation. Maybe Deathsmiles? Great scoring system + power-up mode.
Cave games are hard as futa whalecock.

[Anonymous No.4668431]

>>4662327
>I didn't really like DonPachi and beat it on one of my first tries
you did not beat the loop on one of your first tries.

[Anonymous No.4668435]

>>4668427
>hard as horsecock
They're actually quite floppy even when they're erect though

[Anonymous No.4668465]

>>4660142

Hellfire is average as fuck, but fun, play it if you don't have other STG to clear.

There isn't a Batsu trilogy. I'm a fucking brainlet piece of shit.

DoDonPachi DaiFukkatsu is a horrible, horrible beginner STG recc. Play Deathsmiles instead. Ikaruga is also a stupid beginner recc.

Have fun! and git gud.

PS: Super Hydorah is amazing. Please buy it at once.

[Anonymous No.4668531]

>>4667921
If you're not into taking apart the enemies piece by piece by now, you should probably just turn it off.

Not even the music anon?

[Anonymous No.4669294]

>>4667968
I'm really into the PSX era so Einhander and R-Type Delta are my recommendations, but then again I'm OP and have no shmup experience

I got a bit further in Einhander- to level 4, before losing my last continue. Gonna try Endymion tri-pod next time

I've also tried a few other PSX shmups lately- I really like Thunder Force V! G-Darius is good too. Gradius Gaiden is alright.

[Anonymous No.4669580]

>>4669294
You got this bro! wait until you get to the elevator.

Have you found the juno or the flash yet? Keep looking for secrets, you do know how to find them, right?

You gotta shoot anything with red paint/coloring or a series of things that show up in a line

[Anonymous No.4669649]

>>4663876
>Beginners should try games like Tyrion, Raptor: Call of the Shadows or Hyper Duel.
U wot m8. If you want to disgust them away from the genre forever maybe.

[Anonymous No.4669853]

Also Gunbird on the Saturn is another good beginner's shooter. It has 9 difficulty settings, the lowest being monkey for the shittiest of shitters.

[Anonymous No.4670367]

>>4669580
Make sure to remind him where to find Mosquito and Phyton. Those two only exist in one place. Flash and Juno got 3 different places to be found.
And always stock up on Wasp, you need to destroy the background object and popcorn enemies fast.

[Anonymous No.4670380]

>>4667921
didn't you hear? playing games in 1CC runs completely mitigates their fundamentally shitty gameplay.

[Anonymous No.4670859]

>>4670367
but mosquito and python are garbage.

and he is way too far away to get them

[Anonymous No.4671068]

>>4670859
I'd give Mosquito being garbage, but Python is useful for peeling off the monkey shortly, so that the better weapon, Flash will be easier to access.

[Anonymous No.4671117]

>>4671068
>so that the better weapon, Flash will be easier to access.

but its available earlier, why wait until monkey?
you just gotta kill all the shit falling out of the attack ceiling once you break it open

[Anonymous No.4671138]

>>4671117
Well, another Flash is always a good thing, considering the boss of the stage is quite hard.
And if by chance he missed the secret, the Flash in monkey is easier to get.

[Anonymous No.4671178]

I had to put the controller down tonight after too many deaths to the yellow laser crab. Fortunately I've unlocked the ability to start every new life with a subweapon of my choice somehow. Next time!

[Anonymous No.4671639]

>>4671178
Grenades. Alternatively, cannon.

[Anonymous No.4671643]

>>4671178
Hog the grenade then just spam the fuck out of it at the nigga's legs. You're destroying its legs by the way, not its head. The legs will catch fire sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.4671647]

>>4671643
You are destroying the core, like all einhander bosses.

[Anonymous No.4671797]

Just finished Cyber Core. Pretty easy game until you get to the fourth level and it actually starts to get a bit challenging. Otherwise the game play was great, had a pretty cool theme, even if the backgrounds were a bit lacking. Gonna try it on hard mode next time. Been trying to get into Override but holy shit this game gets ridiculous similarly at the fourth level.

[Anonymous No.4671801]

>>4660142
Oh shit thanks for mention MUSHA now I have to download that sound track

[Anonymous No.4673560]

Just played a bunch of Winds of Thunder. Very cool game. I love the theme, and I love the plethora of different enemies and details. The entire game is polished ass fuck.

Anyway, I beat the game using each of the four armors (weapons) for the entire playthroughs. Some of my thoughts.

Earth: Widely considered the best armor. May as well be, considering how absolutely damaging it is. On the other hand, you need to be very close to enemies, making you more vulnerable. The bomb is powerful, but is not completely reliable for defensive uses because it drops from the sky, so you might get hit before the meteors neutralize the enemy bullets.

Water: Very useful against normal enemies thanks to the backward shots and the rapid firing rate. However, it's the weakest weapon by far, especially against bosses. Worst weapon against bosses, but great during the stages. The bomb is great. Instantly wipes out enemy bullets and still does pretty decent damage. Some sites claim that this is the best weapon, but I disagree. Once you know the enemy patterns then getting flanked is not a problem.

Wind: Very underrated. Think of it as the Water armor with less versatility, but more damage and stronger on bosses. Way better than Water against bosses. Best weapon to use against the triple crystal boss. I think people don't like the Wind armor because the diagonal shots are weak, but think of those as just the cherry on top. This weapon is highly useful with a single upgrade. The bomb is great for defense but does the least amount of damage. I expected this weapon to suck, but was pleasantly surprised by how good it actually is.

Fire: Strong as fuck. Obviously not as strong as Earth, but pretty close. Less damage than Earth, but more coverage. Also... the bomb. The Fire armor's bomb is a boss raper. Nothing else comes close when it comes to killing bosses.

Of course, you can just face fuck everything with Earth, but the other armors are perfectly viable (and safer overall).

[Anonymous No.4674465]

Any shmups with a health bar? Preferably vertical. Already played Tyrian, Raptor and Demonstar.

[Anonymous No.4674781]

>>4674465
UN Squadron on SNES has one but it's horizontal. Axelay on SNES has what's basically the equivalent of a health bar and it's a mix of vertical and horizontal. Both are fantastic.

[Anonymous No.4676605]

bump

[Anonymous No.4676941]

Just credit-fed my way through RayCrisis

I'll never understand these games, I guess.
Like with most of them, I didn't feel like I was missing out by not trying to 1cc it. Didn't seem to be must to the game itself and trying to 1cc it would be a way to act like there was substance there when there isn't

[Anonymous No.4677457]

I beat the first level in R-Type Delta without getting hit! ... and then I proceeded to lose all of my continues and game over when I hit the point with the fish and the bees underwater. If you die once there, forget about it, because then you have to go through it without a good weapon.

[Anonymous No.4677503]

>>4677457
Just used another whole set of continues on the following underwater crab boss, after running through the game a second time. Well at least I got further than last time! (I'm really awful)

[Anonymous No.4677543]

>>4677503
Okay I gave it one more try and I'm at level 3 again. I can get under the mech but once I do I get fried.

[Anonymous No.4677616]

>>4659615
There's tons of stuff which is actually damn great. The emulator makers, especially MAME team have made exceptional job to preserve the digital heritage of arcade games. Without these guys lot of games would fall into obscurity as the arcade machines get old and trashed and their boards die etc...
I used to have a habit to play one or two games at the time, just a little bit at least every night but it's been many months since I picked up any shmup. I'm still at Dodonpachi and Battle Bakraid. Bakraid was relatively easy and I enjoyed it, could lap it easily but Dodonpachi on other hand, I have never 1cc'd it.
I'm on Win10 (with good specs) and using just the standard MAME ui with DS4 controller. I feel that there is slight input lag but I can't be sure if it's just the emulation and the way it's supposed to be played. It's especially present on Bakraid.

[Anonymous No.4677617]

>>4677616
I like Bakraid more than Garegga as the sprites are bigger and it's more comfy game to play, especially the music is top notch.

[Anonymous No.4677782]

>>4676941
It's because you aren't a bright person as witnessed by self assurance of an stupid assessment without experience. When you've stopped being a ugly feral man child dad bod noodle armed CUNT and actually sit down and start THINKING about what you're doing you'll find quite rapidly that you need routing and strategy and with it comes a wealth of depth and nuance that simple can never be recognized without experience.


>I didn't feel like
>Didn't seem
>it would

See? all speculative language and guesswork because you use your feefees instead of you fucking brain and can invest in anything long term, piece of shit i fucking hate you weak nerd fucks.

[Anonymous No.4679495]

>>4677782
What?

[Anonymous No.4679505]

>>4677782
This was too funny to get mad at.
RayCrisis still sucks though.

[Anonymous No.4679513]

>>4679505
>RayCrisis still sucks though.
No

[Anonymous No.4679558]

>>4677782
I think he's mad. I can't be sure though.