/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[03-22] Brutal Doom v21 Tanks Preview
https://youtu.be/mgAxsaciOBQ

[03-22] Anon map release: aceofbase.wad (for gzdoom)
https://mega.nz/#!04Vj1KTJ!cYKlJJBKM1G357xZK83ob1fjJX0DnhNekb-9eQ-2Lqs

[03-21] Anon mod release: Demon Counter Strike v0.01
http://static.allfearthesentinel.net/wads/demoncounterstrike-v0.01.pk3

[03-19] Anon map release: bc_talkin.wad (requires cc4-tex)
https://my.mixtape.moe/bnccrr.wad

[03-19] Digital Foundry interviews 3dRealms and Eduke32 guys on IonMaiden and Build Engine Evolution (is this retro?)
https://youtu.be/MHQv4mSG7_I

[03-19] sagegrass updates Smooth Doom Upgrade for the latest version of the base mod
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4649604/#4653029
https://mega.nz/#!7gAiURwD!m3oSzHAmyo-HunkRJGQD_OEjqF6xGxdeqVsYgHUMTQY

[03-19] One anon recommends Wolfenstein: Machines of Death TC for Doom 2
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98458-wolfenstein-machines-of-death-tc-released-v10/

[03-16] GMOTA v1.0 Released
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/gmota

[03-15] La Tailor Girl Updated To 1.50
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1044648#p1044648

[03-15] Doom II Nightmare In 21:14
https://youtu.be/9seMu5mSYWw

[03-14] 18 Min Long Video About Guncaster
https://youtu.be/u8k8qSWtRZU

[03-13] Anon map release: AmongDreams.wad (3 maps)
https://mega.nz/#!d14UULyI!eVLeoLWovP0jBUU_01FMgE9usl4sXWGrdhVZLZYC4nQ

[03-14] All Of Sverre Kvernmo's Cabal Maps In One Wad
https://mega.nz/#!xxdVgKQD!_kJw_HapbRvZwMkOk5jCN0t8QnppY6GWsPhEK_PwR24

[03-13] GZDoom 3.3.0 To Gather User's Hardware Information
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=59787

[03-12] Anon map update: Sacred Ground
https://mega.nz/#!3CRznaSY!hjJXHv-PlQgKr3LBV7LQBYG_5DL6WLUnyelD1SIOa8k

[03-10] English game files of id Software's Doom RPG series from mobile available, emulator required
https://doomrpg.weebly.com/

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Nope, not a slaughtermap.

>>4659051
Not any that I know of, but given /vr/'s penchant of mocking/making jokes about Admiral Armando over everything he does,

Is DECORATE just doom's version of user-made scripts or do they have a more focused application?

>>4659084
DECORATE just defines stuff like decorations "duh", enemies, weapons, projectiles

for actual scripting use ACS or ZScript

>>4659081
>Shihong
Ayyy

>>4659067
Atari Cucks!
GIVE US SOURCE CODE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>4659148
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>4659151
I am 26

>>4659152

>>4659152

>>4659148
>atari...
>its Warner who holds the rights and they are lazy fucks who probably lost them or gave it to ed Boon in hopes for a remake

>>4659158
I dunno, it IS possible for someone that old to be that childish.

This is a Doom thread, not a post roast thread. Start talking about Doom already

>>4659164
>Caleb added to MK11

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/doggy

>>4659164
To be honest I could see Ed making a Blood reboot, he loves ultra gorey stuff so it'd be perfect for him.

>>4659189
I guess it's time to check this one out.
I'm going in dry, boys.

>>4658710
I don't know if you are >>4655873, but if you're not I apologize. If you were, your 2nd map was better but again not really what I consider solid or good. I think this should of been just a boom map because the only gzdoom tricks I seen was just the colored lighting which I thought was unnecessary. The biggest mistake was you can't even exit the map. A imp was stuck near the archvile trap, hom in near the yellow door, and I didn't really like the texture work or the detailing espcially the nukage room. I didn't find any secrets but to be fair I wasn't really looking for them. The lighting in some spots was good and I thought my pic here was funny.
Overall, I didn't like it and will not be keeping it, but it had a few bright spots in it so keep working anon.

>>4659207
;)

>>4659201
>A man with zero experience on FPS games.
Yeah, it would be a wonderful Call of Blood.

Something i noticed about Trailblazer's chaingun is that if you try to shoot it a second time before the barrel stops spinning, you shoot in an instant instead of waiting for the barrel stop and go back spinning again
I feel like MetaDoom's chaingun should have had something like this for its primary fire

>>4659207
Post screenshots

>>4659209
not him but What are the extra things you can do with a GZD build? Is boom the general purpose build config?

but I love doom

>>4659225
There's plenty of things you can do in gzdoom besides lighting. Just read the wiki on what you can do.

its out and about

>>4659221
Lemme reiterate: I could see him doing it in theory. I dunno if it'd be good gameplay-wise but I could see him doing wonders for shit like the feel and atmosphere if that makes sense.

>>4659226
What is that?

>>4659229
This isn't fun. Did people enjoy this back in the day? It's like that annoying part in Blood where you have to advance and back up to kill the zombies with the pitchfork only its for every enemy.

>>4659084
>>4659109
Based on the naming im going to guess this was Zdoom's way, in the early days, of extending DeHacked functionality. They borrowed some of the format from the EDGE sourceport (which I was a fan of) in the early 00's.

Decorate, allowing you to add more decorations to spruce up maps. Which probably expanded quickly into adding new monsters. Eventually they would diverge into expanding the native functions like "spit a shotgun blast of 3 pellets and play the shotgun sound" into more proper flexible stuff. These are all still there for compatibility with older wads.

ACS has been available for as long as there was Hexen support I believe. A rather crude way to do scripting but effective. ZScript is new and undocumented (like a mexican) but is alot more painless than using ACS. If you know how to use it that is.
> I dont know how to use either one

>>4659229
those walls and water are comfy, but those goblins look like a failed experiment

>>4659225
So, you start out with 83HP, for whatever reason.
At first look, the first two maps as well as MAP23 look like maps made by S'Arais.
A few sounds are replaced, such as the teleporter noise and a menu noise.
MAP23 is interesting, because it has an area with... I don't know what the fuck these things are (check upcoming screenshots). And in the same area, it says "You just broke your leg!"
So far, nothing of too much interest other than the first two maps, I suppose.

>>4659236
So it would be basically COJ Gunslinger or Spec Ops the Line? Maximum style, zero gameplay fun? No, thanks, I would rather have nothing instead of another 6/10 Blood game, Blood 2 was enough.

>>4659270
Enemies in both Witchavens were made with claymation.

is there any way to play blood with y axis mouse look? even with bmouse.exe it still only works x axis

From MAP02.

>>4659278
I suppose you could have Ed for the atmosphere of a Blood reboot but have someone else deal with the actual gameplay along side him. That being said, who do you guys think would be good for that sort of thing?

From MAP23.

>>4659152
Then please act like it.

>>4659229
Witchhaven may or may not be a good game, but I'll never know, because the graphical style is extremely repulsive to me.
Everything looks gritty and too bright.

Upon further inspection, MAP21 now has a cacodemon for an unknown reason. And when you kill it, it turns into a mushroom.

>>4659286
who is that
semen
demon

>>4659293
He probably did this to spawn Cacodemons on the ceiling, in the absolutely most unpractical and shitty method he could fathom after an entire night of brainstorming shitty ideas.

I'm really down on Inherit the Earth and Death Wish. The levels are so big yet linear and there are so many triggered events. I feel like the designer spent more time on his little story about Caleb searching dark corners for keys than on fun maps with interesting engagements.

How do I play world tour in eduke?

>>4659251
looks like sunlust map31

>>4658710
If the dude who made aceofbase.wad is in here, I made a demo in GZDoom 3.2.5.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6pa447figekzq7a/firstrun.lmp

I didn't beat it because I got stuck. The red exit switch didn't do anything, and it looks like there's a blue door I missed over by the box warehouse, but the door is locked and I couldn't find a button to open it.

>>4659302
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/8966-wip-world-tour-eduke32-compatibility-stopgap/

The new enemy doesn't work properly and the new weapon doesn't work at all. Somewhere in the thread is some way to get rid of them, but otherwise, the link's in the OP.

Im trying to figure out a way to make the BFGSpray hit enemies only 1 time. Also a way to make targets soak up a full shotgun blast. A long time ago a theory about this was posted but I lost track of it.

To handle the shotgun blasts im thinking of giving all relevant monsters a shotgun pellets pain state that upon the first time they're hit gives them a counter saying they've been hit, makes them invincible or otherwise heals the avg damage they'd take from a shotgun pellets. Then gives them another counter tallying how many times they're being hit with shotgun pellets (since it all happens at once the effect wears off after the next 2 tics and they become vulnerable to shotguns again).
> Somewhere in the middle of the painstate they take a Single Hit for damage multiplied by the number of pellets they got hit by, which may in fact splatter them.

The solution posted for the BFG is something like using A_RadiusGive to hand all monsters a token saying they've been BFG sprayed, but I dont know how to make a monster suddenly get zapped by that unless they were constantly at every frame checking to see if they had a token.
> some idea pops up in my mind about making the spray really weak, like 1 point of damage, so that they enter their painstate and then check for the token... and if the token is there they take a merry christmas amount of sparkly damage.

Overall ideas here are to prevent shotguns from being like railguns, and make it easier for shotguns to gib weak enemies. While for the BFG making it less useful against bosses and more of an equal opportunity killer so that you have a better reason to use the Plasma Gun (or actually hit your boss with the BFG projectile, which would make up the rest of the weight of the damage lost against them)

>>4659286
> how 90s of those demons to look like that

>>4659229
>>4659289
reminds me of Heretic except nicely gritty

>>4659286

>>4659289
what? are we all now not on par with our own age if we ree now? what is this bitchfuckery? do you know where you are? he probably isnt being all too pleasant but he certainly isnt being a retard

>>4659286
>>4659324
doggy wad got semen demons for days yo

>>4659318
Also im looking for a way to do Regeneration for the player but on a limited basis. Like when it comes to the poison headcrabs from HL2.

I think it would be a good way to imagine the player's armor has a medikit dispensor in their suit that helps repair some of the damage every time they're injured. Kinda like damage reduction but if they get torn the hell out of they will die quickly. So getting hit with an attack gives you a certain number of counters based on the amount of damage or damage dice it causes. And thats how much the suit will repair health loss for you... but it takes a little while before it will do it.

Also sorta like D&D 4th edition using the healing surges mechanic... getting a Medikit could just give you healing tokens so that it enables this Regeneration mechanic to start recovering lost health. Preventing you from getting instant healing from anything short of a soulsphere.

Im guessing this may have to use some kind of Zscript since you'd have to be tracking something global and applying the changes to a specific object (the player). No idea how to go about Zscripting though.

>>4659327
E3M8 - Dis is Bait

>>4659341
>if i acknowledge i replied to bait then it's okay uwu

Might as well repost this here:

>Can you recommend me some megaWAD made by a single person, with some downright weird, unconventional and needlessly complex level layouts? Same for Build and Quake1 - what are they called? mini-campaigns or something? Anyway, again, one author, labyrinthine, weird, convoluted, needlessly complex (moreover, this complexity needs to be directly related to gameplay, fancy backdrops don't cut it), "what did he even mean by this?", "what could even be the point?".

>In other words, anything similar to Petersen's levels, Plug'N'Prey, HeXen1, Redneck Rampage 1 or, arguably, Mysteries of the Sith, I guess?

>P.S. Also, levels created in 90s, before more or less strict guidelines were established, are preferable. Like, something good from _early_ WAD scene maybe? A product of pure experimentation, that also happens to be good from a certain standpoint, that's what I'm looking for.

>>4659353
you're not going to find many 30+ map wads made by single authors that far back.

>>4659280

I actually love the art in witchhaven. I never really played the games, I'm waiting for a nice stable gdx version to experience them. I remember Witchhaven 2 getting actually ok reviews in videogame magazines back then.

Isnt this from witchaven?

>Boobs!

>>4659253
You have to understand that there simply were NO 3D brawlers in 1995 (when Witchhaven was released). Back then, this was innovative and unique.

3D brawlers/hack and slash action games only became a thing in 2000s - Dynasty Warriors 2 came out in 2000, Blood Omen 2 in 2002, and new Ninja Gaiden in 2004. By 1995 standards, this was the best melee gameplay one could have.

>>4659382
those are not Hack and Slash. They are 3D action games but not Hack and slash. Only inept gamejournos and those who listen to them call them that.

H'n'S is an RPG subgenre, not an action subgenre.

>>4659382
Dynamite Deka (Die Hard Arcade) came out in 1996, Dynamite Cop came out in 1998. There were great 3D beat em ups before the 2000s.

>>4659387
>>4659391
Any first person brawlers?

>>4659209
Nope, the second guy (bnccrr.wad) is different.
Anyways thanks for the demo and criticism. Yeah I stupidly forgot to make the exit switch actually an exit switch. I also didn't consider someone going through the yellow door to the red key area, there was a switch you missed in the room with the hell knight and revanant trap to go through another area to the red key. What was your pic?

>>4659362
Well, maybe, MEGAwad was somewhat drastic a requirement.
From 5 maps onward will be fine as long as they are part of the same pack, were made by the same author, sort of share the same theme or rather general mapping style, and fit the other requirements.

>>4659395
Dynasty Warriors, Blood Omen, and Ninja Gaiden aren't first person either.

>>4659401
Not that guy, cool the resentment. I'm the guy who posted that Witchhaven was bad. I also find Hexen extremely underwhelming and I'm looking for a first person brawler

>>4659209
>>4659308
Lel, accidentally confused these two posts and responded to a bit of both in >>4659397
. Thanks to both for the feedback.

>>4659382
HeXen 1?
Also, from what I remember from Witchaven, its combat is unfair in that you need to swing prior to landing a hit with your weapon, while the enemies can hit you (almost?) immediately - certainly, without a second of delay.

Moreover, the weapon durability is treated like ammo count in this game, meaning, that the hit that doesn't connect to anything, still wastes a durability point. That's just, like, retarded.

>>4659403
No resentment here.

There's not much for first person brawlers, and none of them /vr/ except Action Doom 2. Outside of that, you've got Breakdown and the Zeno Clash games, and that's all I know.

>>4659387
I don't give a fuck if you call them hack'n'slash or 3D beatemups or brawlers or whatever, but they DO need some kind of a name. I've seen people try to discuss this kind of games and have to call them 'action games' which is laughably broad. "Action game" can describe anything from Stalker, through Gradius to Marvel vs Capcom.

Like it or not, games like Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, God of War Bayonetta, Batman: Arkham games (well, their combat parts) and Dark Souls DO share a genre . They are all different in the same way ARMA is a shooter (tactical shooter) and Doom is a shooter (arcade shooter) but they're both shooters.

These games share mechanics, like a dodge roll, blocking, camera lock-on, special moves, subweapons for ranged harassment, some manner of combos or attack chains...

(I will concede that "Warriors" games probably don't belong in that genre, whatever it is called, they're too different.)

We need a name for this genre so we can discuss their similarities and differences. It's going to be discuss WHY some people prefer Dark Souls and why other prefer DMC, and how they use relatively similar mechanics to offer completely different experiences - if we can't even name the genre they're in.

And this is a big deal because I haven't seen ANYONE agree what to call these games. I've seen names specifically for the specific subgenres - 'spectacle fighter' and 'button masher' and 'character action' but none of them for the wide genre itself.

>>4659397
Here's the pic. I also wanted to comment about the room with the boxes, way too big.

>>4659403
the only thing I know that comes close to that definition are Zeno Clash games.

>>4659406
Im pretty sure swing in the air does not count, because running around swinging the sword constantly did not break it.

>>4659408
I think it's weird you put Dark Souls in the same category, most people would call that an action RPG. Would you put Ocarina of Time in that category too, with its dodges, blocking, camera lockon, special moves, and multiple weapons?

But if you're just saying "third person combat games with platforming," we've had "action-adventure" for a long while. This is also starting to get outside the bounds of an FPS thread, and you might as well make a topic about it.

>>4659391
Huh, that sounds interestin-
>Arcade, Dreamcast
>Arcade, Sega Saturn
Gee, I wonder why these weren't very popular...
Plus, both of these are basically classic beatemups with 3D graphics. They don't really do anything that wouldn't be possible in 2D. Witchhaven, for all it's faults, allowed player to turn and move in every direction, fully utilizing the 3D environment.
And that wouldn't be done WELL until Ocarina of Time in 1998 and it's lock-on melee combat. Oh how surprising, not soon after Ocarina we get a ton of games like Soul Reaver that utilize similar style of combat...
>>4659407
Actually Zeno Clash is /vr/-ish. See, the team who made Zeno Clash previously made Batman Doom. And considering that Batman Doom has pretty strong emphasis on melee combat by Doom standards (several melee weapons, and final bossfight with Bane is melee-only) it's not crazy to say that they were toying with similar ideas in Batman Doom that would eventually get used in Zeno Clash.

>>4659431
>Plus, both of these are basically classic beatemups with 3D graphics. They don't really do anything that wouldn't be possible in 2D. Witchhaven, for all it's faults, allowed player to turn and move in every direction, fully utilizing the 3D environment.

What? The levels are 3D. There's analog movement, you can turn and attack in every direction. It's not Donkey Kong Country.

>>4659415
Lel, don't even know why that happened but I'll fix it.

>>4659337
Another good use is for attacks that only temporarily stun the player, might do imp-style fireball damage but if you're running low on health or you get hit with alot of them you're screwed.
(like for example does 30-50 damage, but then heals 25 of it in small increments)

>>4659426
Well, Dark Souls is an action RPG for sure, but the thing with action RPG is that they are part RPG, part SOME kind of an action game. Fallout 4 is an action RPG that takes its action elements from first person shooters - while Dark Souls is an action RPG that takes its action elements from that genre, whatchamacallit.

And I specifically mean the third person games with lock-on, blocking/dodging and melee combat.

But let's drop the topic, it's outside not just the FPS thread - but as this genre really emerged in post-retro times it's also outside of /vr/ bounds. And let's not kid ourselves, noone on /v/ will be interested in discussing this when you can yell memes instead.

>>4659201
>>4659221
>>4659236
>Call of Blood
Fighting games are one of the most complex and deep videogame genres. I doubt a designer who specializes in these would make a game as shallow and barebone as CoD.

If anything, it'd be a weird game like a well-made Daikatana, filled with movement tech, hidden tricks and mechanics, and a lot of complexity that might be unnecessary.

I'd probably expect each weapon to have at least two different altfires, and several different uses, and probably heavy emphasis on multiplayer/competitive gameplay.

>>4659396
forever salt

>>4659209
>If you were, your 2nd map was better
I'm not, so fuck you :^)

>>4659451
keep up your mapping mate, we'll make it...

>>4659416
I remember specifically testing it and arriving at the conclusion, that it was treated like ammo. Maybe it was changed in GDX version? Or maybe you didn't swing it enough times?

>Finish valiant
>That final boss music
>mfw its from a god damn Gundam game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erOHrIXSTGc
Whoever who made Valiant has some good taste at music.

>>4659408
None of those games are hack and slash though. All of those are action games, the closest they got to RPG elements in them is (mostly linear) progression. Dark Souls is the closest, but then again it much more action than RPG (level 1 runs being completely possible if you know what you are doing).

"Hack and Slash" term comes from tabletop RPG campaigns where story was a simple premise to get party into an action scenario. Campaigns that rid of all the interactive bits in favour of mechanics and tactical action.
Games like Diablo, Dark Stone, Revenant, Sacred, Dungeon Siege and Titan Quest are Hack'n'Slash games.

Around 2004 when blogging became new journalism inept Blogo-journos began using the term for everything where the hero swings a sword , even for beat'em'ups like Golden Axe. The whole shit started with Devil May Cry 1 and 2 reviews because they saw protag swinging a big sword and thought that "hey, the name kinda fits", and could not be bothered to look at the box that read "Stylish Action game".

Wikipedia is not a reliable source onto this due to the circular causation - They put games into H'n'S genre because people say so, and people say so because Wikipedia puts them there, ignoring the actual genre definitions on that same site

>And this is a big deal because I haven't seen ANYONE agree what to call these games. I've seen names specifically for the specific subgenres - 'spectacle fighter' and 'button masher' and 'character action' but none of them for the wide genre itself

But we had. It was called "3D action". Any action game that is not a Shooter, or where you swing swords/sling spells in equal measure with shootings were simply called "3D Action" games. And everyone knew that this is an action game where shooting is not the focus.

If you go to Wikipedia, lets say for any old action game like that, for example Enclave, and watch through the history, you will see that prior to 2013 it was not called Hack and Slash but just "3D Action"

>>4659463
Literally running around with fire button pressed.
On a DosBox
From my experience break chance is completely random, but breaking only occurs when you hit something. Sometimes you can slay a few dozens of enemies with a shortsword, sometimes it starts to break after 5 or 6 goblins, even if you dont waste any hits. After it shows the breaking message you've got anywhere from 4 to 8 hits to land, but running around and swinging a shortsword that was breaking down did not break it further and it could still kill a couple of goblins.

>>4659470
Ironically, Enclave does not have any RPG elements either, and all equipments are straight upgrades.

>>4659225
slopes and 3d floors but importantly scripting, so you can do fuckin 'anything'
make an enemy drop a key, have multiple triggers on a single linedef you dont have to build weird teleporter contraptions just fuckin write a line of code and tell a monster in spawn there. well i dont use it yet myself because im building experience in boom before i open the pandora's box of udmf but there's a lot you can do
not saying you need to have all this crazy crap in your udmf map, but at some point you should think whether you could just achieve your desired effects in boom, and there's still cool shit you can do in boom especially with some voodoo 'scripts'

this guy has some good tutorials on some fancy architecture stuff in udmf https://www.dfdoom.com/tutorials/

>>4659460
You forgot
> but if you're not I apologize
asshole.

Meanwhile, on Twitch...

>>4659498

>>4659408
we've had a term for ages, they're called character action games...

>>4659272
>>4659279
>>4659283
>>4659284
>>4659286
doggy is dope

>>4659490
still implying his map is better than mine!
the :^) implied i was kidding anyway bud

>>4659498
what the fuck
i love it but this looks like some full blown autism, look at that chat

>>4659449
>Analog movement
Oh? Sorry, the impression I gained from watching the footage online was that it was just an 8-way movement. So said the listing for Die Hard Arcade cabinet, it claimed it had an "8-way joystick" and not an analog one.

I will definitely look more into it, sounds interesting.

>>4659337
Idea for a health system I had for a while was to divide player's healthbar into segments. Health would regenerate, but only up to fill the segment you are currently inside. To regenerate health above that, you need to pick up a medkit.

Now you might say that's just Far Cry 3/4 health mechanic, but there's a catch - the segments aren't divided evenly. They are divided so first segment is 40 points long (0-40), second segment is 20 points long (41-60), third is 18 HP long (61-78), fourth segment is 12 HP long (78-90) and final segment is 10 HP long (90-100).

This way, it takes the same amount of resources to heal 20 points when you're seriously wounded - as it takes to heal 10 points when you're very healthy. So player will be encouraged to walk around with health that isn't 'topped off' to max, as it's more efficient to be slightly wounded.
This results in a risk-reward scenario - you save healing resources to utilize them more efficiently later - but you increase your risk of death.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Another idea I had was for small health bonuses to simply fill up player's "health pool". Each health bonus doesn't heal you, but simply adds 5 points to you 'health pool". Health pool goes up to 50 points.

Whenever you have less than 50 HP, your health will slowly start to regenerate - FROM the health pool. Of course, as you regenerate the health, the pool drains - and you gotta refill it by finding more health bonuses.

I imagine the same approach could apply to armor bonuses and armor.


Feel free to steal either of these ideas, I don't know if I would ever actually use them in a mod/game anyway.

>>4659286
Isn't that lady wolf from that porn comic with the drow?

Reposting the Oblige/ObHack mod I found today, it just seems it's still in development though.
Those levels look like they would work well with Hideous Destructor, unless he makes it work only with Brutal Doom, that would be stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RESnPhHxQ8c
http://oblige.sourceforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=564.0

>>4659504
Huh. I thought 'character action' referred specifically to the DMC/Bayonetta/Metal Gear Rising/God Hand subgenre with S-ranks, emphasis on mastery and perfection and shit like that.

>>4659501
>>4659508
I'm as clueless as you are. I saw this under "Doom II: Hell on Earth" and took screenshots.

>>4659520
Ah, hmmm, OK you could probably say that I'm wrong
I mean this is one of those contentious issues that people have been arguing about forever, I don't think we'll ever have a good answer

>>4659526
>Filename

I heavily doubt you took those yourself.

>>4659408
>Like it or not, games like Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, God of War Bayonetta, Batman: Arkham games (well, their combat parts) and Dark Souls DO share a genre .
Disagree. They're all too different for that too be useful. Unless you want to use some umbrella term like 3d action games, you don't get any more specific than that because they're not that similar.

>>4659498
Junko's nice.

I am trying to remember the name of the wad that randomizes weapons and enemies and there is a point system/rounds. I cannot remember the name and it is driving me nuts.

>>4659546
reelism?

>>4659546
Reelism?

>>4659552
>>4659550
Thank you guys!

>>4659529
I'm sorry you think that but you are wrong. In my experience it is wise to rename files to generic 4chan filenames before posting them. It prevents a lot of idiotic responses.

>>4659542
Very, very nice indeed.

>>4659561
Not everyone here is gonna get mad at you because the filename mentions a certain site. We're not as bad as /v/. Most of the time.

>>4659517
I ultimately wouldn't have a single clue, unfortunately.

>>4659498
>>4659501
>>4659508
>>4659526
>>4659529
It's called "Daytime Drama."
Marisa was streaming it on Twitch.

>>4659489
I definitely want to start using sloped floors if I can ever get around to actually making a map, so I suppose I can go GZD build later. I'll take a note of the tutorials later. once I make my first few maps.

>>4659561
sad we feel we need to do this sometimes to prevent some faggots derailing
let the content speak for itself, y'know?

>>4659571
heh

>>4659576
oh, thanks

>>4659542
pretty shit tier t b h

>>4659571
It was actually thanks to /a/, specifically regarding files named "vlcsnap", why I started doing it.
>>4659576
Thanks, that explains why the stream name. I thought it was just the guy being weird.

>>4659595
>>4659584
Just in case you both need the forum link: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55387

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCGWDGN8Oc
lmao at the butter's sfx at the start of this

>>4659598
thanks but unlike some people on this site I know how to use google

>>4659593
I know you don't mean that, anon.

>>4659606
>>4659542
> I want to sperm so deep

>>4659512
Also got this idea for shotguns to have abstract damage, kinda like in an ttrpg.
> Fire 1 pellet that causes "BigShotgunDamage" type
> Fire 1 pellet that causes 1d3 x 10 damage
> Fire 6 crap pellets that only cause 4 damage each.

Any monster that gets hit with the "BigShotgunDamage" type will suffer a certain amount of damage as determined by its painstate for that.

Also to prevent monsters being 100% chance fazed each time by such checks you give the monster a token or maybe two kinds of tokens during its attack phase that says "im attacking now" so that if they're hit with a 100% chance painstate damage type, that painstate will automatically send it back to its attack routine instead of going back to the standard chase states.
> it might twitch while attacking but this wont really save you from their attack
> it could still percent chance divert to the regular painstate after it does its thing so that it has an honest chance to stun it

So out of 70 damage, you have 24 guaranteed from the 6 pellets designed for stunning and making puffs on the wall. Another 10-30 from the 2nd pellet that is fired which provides some randomness. The primary pellet could also just cause 4 damage (we're up to 48) so then the monster would probably take about another 22 damage during their painstate for it.

Then again for Zombies this doesnt really matter so much so they might not even need this help (full blast will put down a shotgun sergeant, it will put down 2 zombie troopers). Also since Chaingun guys should take 2 blasts to kill it could also be left alone for them so that you have to hit them with two full blasts to kill them (38-58 damage per blast if all of them connect, but even if they dont all hit due to the 10-30 point variant you could still kill it in 2 shots).

>>4659534
They share mechanics and concepts.
They use them differently, but again, that's not very different from how SWAT 4 and Doom fall into the same genre (FPS) but they use their similar mechanics in completely different ways i.e. in Doom, action key is used to press switches - in SWAT 4, it's used to secure evidence. In Doom, weapon selection is based on whether you're fighting a crowd or a single tough enemy - in SWAT 4, weapon selection involves choosing between lethal and non-lethal weapon, based on your intel of there are hostages in the line of fire.

Same mechanics - different use.

>>4659606
i do
do not stick it in the crazy

>>4659286
>>4659572
https://exhentai.org/s/9b204f84e9/1198605-30
It's her

>>4659613
Alright then, sure.

>>4659606
I want to simply pat her head

Am I crazy for seeing the original Doom as being a better game than Doom 2?

I love Doom 2's super shotgun and a few of the new demons but the level design, especially on Earth can be pretty shitty at times. Open maps can be good but they feel more like mazes than Doom maps at times.

>>4659619
fucking brutal

>>4659626
this is actually the majority opinion, the hipster option is Sandy Did Nothing Wrong

>>4659626
A lot of people share your opinion. In terms of aesthetics and level design, I think DOOM is definitely better than DOOM 2. Those city levels in the second game were steaming garbage, and the level design as a whole was shit. The thing that makes DOOM 2 good is the addition of the SS and new enemy types. Outside of that, it has worse aesthetics, worse level design and some truly terrible music.

>>4659629
Glad to hear I am not a nutter. Doom 2 reloaded is a much better sequel than Doom 2 is.

>>4659626
no, a lot of people like doom's maps more
but naturally doom 2 is a better 'game' because without it we wouldn't have thousands of dope wads to play, or we'd have thousands to play but with no interesting enemies...

>>4659631
I agree except for the monsters added. I like them all except the fucking archvile. Fuck that flaming faggot in his alien looking face.

>>4659636
Yeah the arch vile was shit, agreed. It was basically Super Flaming Hit Scan: The Enemy. It added some tension, though.

>>4659639
If it either had a projectile flame attack or it did less damage it would be just fine as an enemy but it being a tank with murderhitscan attacks is really unfair. Also modders need to stop using it so much.

>>4659636
>>4659639
man the archvile is fuckin crazy and great

>>4659626
I love 1 more than 2 as well. Whenever I replay the Doom games I just stop immediately after Dead Simple and proceed to Doom 64.

>>4659650
Maaaan Dead Simple is such a great map, I love the knockoff Slayer midi, the map, the enemies, all of it. Doom 2 just needed more of that stuff.

>>4659650
>DOOM 64
64 and PSX DOOM are unironically the most enjoyable games in the series when you put mods and graphical fidelity aside.

>>4659654
Is there a wad out there with Doom 64 maps but with OG graphics?

>>4659656
No idea, DOOM 64 EX is pretty great though.

>>4659656
yeeeee
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/92901-doom-64-for-doom-ii-respawned-final-test-build-v8-is-here/

>>4659659
Ohshitson thanks. Haven't played Doom 64 since it first came out.

>>4659670
i assumed that's what you meant when you said og graphics, but if you want to just play doom 64 as doom 64 on pc then as the other anon said, there's doom 64 ex

i like Doom 64: Retribution myself, a gzdoom conversion
there's also brutal doom 64 if you like, did that one coop over lan

>>4659068
Fixed/improved/completed version of Ace Of Base
https://mega.nz/#!AtcDFbhY!RhFWg6vIu9eANBVlVAxF2pBI1qXW94MGihSW11_yfjs

Why don't more wads use that cool as fuck hourglass nebula skybox from TNT? Also, why can't I find any pictures of it anywhere?

>>4659682
I did mean with Doom 1/2 sprites. I dislike the enemy sprites from Doom 64 a lot, hence why I haven't played since release lol

>>4659626
No you aren't. Most of DOOM 2's maps are a complete downgrade. I'm not sure why map quality went through the floor

>>4659650
I have the doom64 iwad I should probably actually get into that

>>4659696
Quality dropped cuz Sandy Petersen started working on the maps instead of the original team cuz Romero was busy being popular and doing interviews and such

>>4659408
Except hack and slash is completely, entirely different genre that has nothing in common with those games from gameplay perspective.

>>4659654
>>4659656
>>4659659
>>4659670
just when I thought it was safe to play my regular wads, now im going to have to load this one up and blow away a bunch of hours on it

>>4659608
>>4659512
And for the SSG id do something similar to make it nasty too, but also limited to only killing up to about 3 monsters at a time.
> two pellets cause "ShitstainDamage"
> one pellet causes 1d3 x 10.
> 8 pellets cause 4 points each.

And that means anyone hit by the two big pellets is going to have a bad day since those would cause about 74 each (though Imps who are closer than 256 map units could say they take 128 just to make sure they gib, while chaingunners could have a 50% chance to take 140 so they gib some of the time).

>>4659702
Petersen designed most of episode two and many other levels of Doom 1.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/99134-ultimate-doom-doom-2-who-designed-which-levels/?tab=comments#comment-1846205
>>4659691
I like the enemy sprites, but the fireball (imp and mancubus) sprites are terrible. They're way too cartoonish, like the imps' are spiral

Archvile's great. It's like a miniboss fight every time you see one. His attack immediately forces you on the defensive, compared to the slow movement and attacks of a Baron. He also has the lowest pain chance in the game, so you can't easily just stunlock him or rush him down. But if you're too defensive, he'll just start resurrecting dead monsters. And with his huge health pool, you can't just brush him off with a couple rockets.

So you're forced into this heavy tension of needing to be aggressive enough that he won't start reviving enemies, but defensive enough that you don't get caught in the attack. Meanwhile he's completely fucking up your enemy prioritization because he's super buff, but you can't afford to take him down last like every other buff enemy.

He's just such a wildcard compared to everything else in the game, and the moment you hear him, you're immediately forced out of whatever plan you had and have to figure out what the fuck you're gonna do now. It's cool to have monsters that can stop your heart and rethink everything. Pic related.

>>4659626
I started with Doom 2, so I'm more used to everything in it.
I do have to admit, the level design in the original Doom is certainly better if you wanna talk quality. But even Doom 2 has a very nice style, and I really can appreciate it.
I am also very used to always having the super shotgun since it's the best weapon in the game, so there's that, too.

>>4659717
*They're way too cartoonish, like the imps' are spirals and the mancubus's look like canonballs

>>4659718
thank you for making a proper post on this instead of saying 'git gud' like i was going to

>>4659717
From my understanding Petersen usually had someone helping him work on maps. A bit of a George Lucas effect seems to be at play with Petersen where he needs someone to assist to really make his work shine.

I tried making a Alien Vendetta inspired megawad once (my actual first attempt at actually making a ~quality~ wad) but loss of motivation happened and designer's block hit me hard
This is only the first map.

>>4659759
It took me about a month to make all this. Working all afternoon. I'm not creative in any way but I didn't just accept it and collected ideas for many weeks. I also worked on a second hell-themed one while making this, I might post screenshots of it later

Give me some ideas for small maps I can put some details in. Not gonna make custom textures/weapons yet, I'm just gonna work with the doom shit

>>4659762
those techbase lights look pretty bad inside a wood and marble hell fortress

>>4659759
yup, setting out to make a megawad is most people'd downfall
there's no need! release a pack of 3 maps! 8! 16! you don't have to try for your magnum opus right away

map looks decent though, should just focus on releasing something much smaller you're actually capable of finishing, will probably keep you a bit more motivated too

>>4659684
Same guy who did the demo for the last one. Here's another demo. http://www.mediafire.com/file/c1v1t18j7w42wrt/firstrun.lmp

I die a couple times from dumb mistakes and me not perfecting my Pro Doom Strats against Revenants. Is it possible to have the Archvile at the end be silent before he spawns? Hearing the purr and knowing that I had one monster left kinda took out the surprise that I probably would have had if this was my first playthrough.

>>4659659
Damn this is impressive. Thanks for posting it.

>>4659778
yeah harder to find than it should be, google brings up the old thread which doesnt even link to that new one

Is it possible in decorate, to make a monster Move sideways, back, forwards etc at a fixed speed in a straight line?
> without using A_Recoil, since that can throw monsters off of pedestals and ledges and I just want to make them lunge for an attack thats all

>>4659773
Thanks again. I'm glad you found the loop back to the nukage room, and the right path to the red key (I made the reverse path inaccessible anyways). Plus the imp crushing console lel.
>Is it possible to have the Archvile at the end be silent before he spawns? Hearing the purr and knowing that I had one monster left kinda took out the surprise that I probably would have had if this was my first playthrough.
Interesting, I find it creepier to hear him but not know exactly when he'll show up. Although maybe it's too obvious in a situation like this.

>>4659810
>Interesting, I find it creepier to hear him but not know exactly when he'll show up.
yes, both ideas are valid

Suns were lusted.

>>4659820
such is the nature of the archvile

>>4659684
Bug: Can't get blue armor in secret.
The exit worked so I finished it this time. Overall my stance really hasn't changed but you did fix the red keycard. I think the lighting is too similar so you need to add more lighting and shadows to offset the sameness.

>>4659626
Look up the levels you hated the most. I guarantee you that there will be one name that comes up again and again.

Sandy Petersen's maps are ugly, first and foremost his maps are just incredibly ugly in ways that they should never be part of a commercial game. Modders even back in the day made better maps for free, or not free when they were so good id bought them to release as new episodes. There is just no excuse for the sheer ugliness of his maps. Any kind of innovation on his part is neglected by the fact they look like a blind 5 year old made them. It's not only that they fail to look as pretty as Romero's maps, it's that they failed to achieve even a decent look like American's maps had. Petersen's shit was sub par and offensively ugly.

But worse worse than that was his item placement and enemy composition. Placing morsels oh health and ammo ALL OVER the fucking map is so fucking aggravating. The way he groups enemies together in neat but overblown packages makes it a grind to kill them. Dispatching enemies in a Petersen map isn't fun, it becomes a chore instead. Enemies cease to be enemies to be fought and instead become obstacles that you have to grind down in order to progress further through the ugliest gimmick laden theme park ever created.

>>4659839
Good post. I haven't even thought about enemy placements in my maps

>>4659828
Uhm, please tell me this is multiplayer.
And yes, suns were lusted indeed. <3

>>4659810
To be fair, knowing the right path to the red key was because you mentioned it last time.

My assumption about the Archvile can't be proven, of course, because I already knew where he would appear. It's not a real criticism on my part.

I would give more criticism, but I don't really know what to think, because it's fine. I slightly resent that you made it easier by giving the super shotty so early and the plasma gun at all, but that's a matter of personal preference. I hope a demo is more useful than what I'd have to say.

can we get a peterapologist in here to comment why you like his maps?

>>4659850
oh yeah they said they got p2p working in gzdoom right?

>>4659832
That's too bad, I had hoped the lighting looked interesting. But I'm glad to know the truth.

>>4659839
I intensely dislike Sandy's maps for Doom 2, but love his maps for Quake. Yeah they look fuckin ugly overall, but man are they a ton of fun and very clever/inventive/batshit insane at times.

>>4659853
Yes. But personally, I'm more interested in the C/S netcode/architecture, whenever that may be implemented or not.
I've tried P2P with friends in the past, and the results were usually going out of sync every once in a while. Thing is, I was only playing with one or two people at a time, so I assume that was why it was more stable.

>>4659850
8 maps played until someone disconnected and it caused a desync.

>>4659764
In depth server room

>>4659863
fuck yeah now i can have cyber rp group jerkoff sessions with my friends while we play doom

Any doom mods set in feudal japan?

>>4659717
>>4659732
Wasn't he hired very close towards the end of development to finish Tom Hall's maps that were all about 70-90% done already?

>>4659909
now that's an idea to put a texture pack together for...

>>4659928
I asked because I want to do just that. I even collected some textures here to try to convert to doom with mixed results. I want to do something like Tenchu.

>>4659917
3 Months i think. Not only to make about 19 maps but also learn the editor too.

>>4659858
I think he really reached his mapping peak during the Quake days. Also considering he is a huge Lovecraft fan and that game made him feel right at home.

>>4659863
Why didn't you stream this.

>>4659860
>I've tried P2P with friends in the past, and the results were usually going out of sync every once in a while. Thing is, I was only playing with one or two people at a time, so I assume that was why it was more stable.
I remember doing 3-player co-op in Sunlust with LegenDoom and Colourful Hell on GZDoom. Not one desync in 30 maps. If your game is desyncing, it's either a user error in the load order/version, or the mod (if any) is badly written. (Yes, the latter is entirely possible.)

>>4659937
Nigga just straight up rip Tenchu textures.

>>4659946
I tried to record it but the whole capture was a black screen for some reason.

>>4659941
that is a mighty fine doggo

>>4659970
NOPE, TOTALLY SAFE
NOTHING TO FEAR HERE...

>it's another "give the player a megahealth and immediately force them across damaging floor/through slime" episode

>>4659970
Oh, unfortunate.

>>4659980
>>4659987
Turns out this was just the end level and I didnt know it. Bossbrain sorta thing on the other side but the game was kind by not making it spit monsters.
> but the previous level unexpectedly turned into a slaughtermap
> which was an entire huge stretch of damaging floor terrain so had to keep an eye out for rad suits and had to keep moving
> I have no problem with this, its just it came out of nowhere and im glad I picked up the SSphere + Blue Armor before I dropped down the hole

>>4659031
>>4659083
Tank looks pretty fun though. If it were a separate zandronum mod, with some other features (domination style capture the flag and that sort of thing) you could have a pretty fun multiplayer mode.

Hell, with a few player classes it could be a tank-centric battlefield style game. Maybe 2-3 tank types (light, medium, heavy) and then some ground troops and buildings... decent sized maps.

Sounds fun.

>>4659512
>Idea for a health system I had for a while was to divide player's healthbar into segments. Health would regenerate, but only up to fill the segment you are currently inside. To regenerate health above that, you need to pick up a medkit.
Oh, so like Resistance: Fall of Man?
>Now you might say that's just Far Cry 3/4 health mechanic, but...
Nevermind.

>>4659285
I would say Flying Wildhog showed good (but not perfect) potential for it with Shadow Warrior 2013, assuming they were convinced to stick closer to the original Blood's style, tone and gameplay.
But then you look at Shadow Warrior 2 and you realize that Jesus Christ, this could very easily go very wrong.
I'm wondering if bringing in some of old 3D Realms more competent staff for consulting (guys like Joe Seigler), and maybe if you could find whoever was the project lead for Blood once it moved to Monolith.

All this said, I can't help but think there's probably some better suited developers out there for any kind of Blood remake.
First and foremost, I actually want the source code and the expansions for the original game.

>>4659629
Go to hell, Sandy really made E2 and E3 what they are, especially working over Tom Hall's pseudo realistic maps with his own abstract touch.
Yeah, a lot of his maps in Doom 2 are substandard, but some of them are good, too.

>>4660048
Maybe he never played resistance.

>>4659864
Since no one else replied I'm going with this idea. Aligning textures is a pain since the auto-align doesn't help sometimes. It's probably gonna take a few days to make a half decent map

>>4659634
>>4659632
There's some things to unpack here. I really don't think D2Reloaded is a good substitute for Doom 2 at all, Final Doom is FAR better, both in style and in gameplay.

There's also lots of good assets beyond just the new monsters.
While the music selection could at times be repetitive, there was a lot of good new tracks, and lots of the new textures and flats are very nice, filling niches which the original Doom lacked (waterfalls, massgraves, ostensibly cities, etc).
I'll also argue there's a bunch of good maps in 2, among the mediocre and bad ones. Crusher, Tricks & Traps, Refueling Base, and Bagel Of Apocalypse, these maps are great.

>>4659634
>or we'd have thousands to play but with no interesting enemies...
Doom 1 has a more limited bestiary, but it only takes some creativity to put them to really good use. Try out Double Impact, far better than D2Reloaded and it doesn't even have as many monsters.

>>4659636
>>4659639
You guys need to stop sucking at Doom, Christ.
Yes, the Arch-Vile is harder than the rest of the monsters, because he is completely different from them, forcing you to change all your tactics. You can't just keep circlestrafing to stay alive, using infighting on him is hard, and he immediately makes himself your first priority because he's very deadly himself, readily raising monsters you've already killed, even really dangerous and bothersome ones like Barons, Revenants, and Mancubi

If you think he's hard, good, that's the point, he's supposed to to turn any encounter upside down, and that's why you need to develop strategies and ideas for fighting him.
First and foremost, mobility is your best friend, but you also need cover, or mobillity can't help you.

Playing Heretic for the first time, and holy fuck, these maps are ridiculously complex. Just trying to figure my through The Citadel right now.

>>4660121
>[muffled evil laughter in the distance]

is this the big gay baby jail

>>4660131
No

>>4660131
so what did they do to deserve being put in jail anyway?

>>4660137
deepest lore

>>4660121
They are a tad more mazey than Dooms. Especially since there's only like 70 textures in the whole game.

>>4660137
It's a well, they floated up it and can't get back down. You know like when you find spiders in your bath tub?

>>4660137
they're big gay babies

>>4660137
>He doesn't know about the race war between the cacos and the goatdemons.

I tried using a Atari Jaguar emulator to play this. Very bad experience. Why couldn't this be on DOS :(

anyone wanna give me feedback on this boom-compatible mappack ive been working on? im kinda worried my maps are too sandy petersen-ish
https://my.mixtape.moe/bvkvzn.wad

>>4660149
Sure thing Corporal Taggart.

Just finished all of Blood earlier today, what are some good mods to try out, whether it be levels, weapons, etc.?

>>4660131
Yes

>>4660178
Whatever you do, be sure to check out Death Wish.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/death-wish-for-blood

>>4660151
looks oldschool good from the screenshot

Hey /doom/.
Exploitable.

>>4660151
>https://my.mixtape.moe/bvkvzn.wad
here's a demo of map01. doesn't finish. funny ending though.
https://a.uguu.se/wNH8ufPLwEKZ_b1.lmp

>>4660151
Played the first two maps. The lighting effects are cool in places but there's too much pitch black. The maps are short & sweet which is cool, but they're too cramped (the two don't necessarily go hand in hand). Also none of the lava pools had possible exits which a lot of people (including myself) find annoying.

>>4660151
map1: 1st pinky can't get up steps. you can run on top of red door lights. steps near ssg that go down to nothing is not good. didn't like blood cavern of nothing to obviously teleport secret. you can bump into the wall fast enough to get the blue armor without opening the secret door. This is probably for health but I think the berserk is placed too late in the map to be really usable. Overall, I didn't like map01 because of these faults and lighting to me isn't good.

>>4660208
>Also none of the lava pools had possible exits which a lot of people (including myself) find annoying.
that sums up my funny ending

For the people who want to map for the first time, play through the vanilla doom episodes or play well reviewed maps and make things based on that for the first time. It's better to start easy than go all out.

>>4660178
>>4660183
Also, how would I load mods if I'm using BloodGDX?

>>4660202

let me just get this obvious one out of the way

>>4660151
demo of map2. again i die. but i chainsawed a revenant. don't try this at home kids, it's only for when you don't have any ammo.
https://a.uguu.se/krWbpisyjMmC_b2.lmp

>>4660227
I don't think it's possible. I could be wrong though, since I've only played blood using dosbox.

>>4660229
Heh

>>4660202

>>4660202
Is this from anything, or is it just a standalone redrawing of the Doom art demon?
Because getting the whole image at this resolution would be fantastic.

>>4660151
demo of map03. finished this one. i could do without the damage pusher floors.
https://a.uguu.se/Uqceb4QjXDHh_b3.lmp

>>4660151
demo of map04, this map is either not balanced at all for pistol start, or just very unfriendly to first attempts. i had 4 shells, 50% health, and archviles teleporting onto towers in wide open areas, no idea where to go
https://a.uguu.se/zuMQRgRE1zfD_b4.lmp

>>4659909
>>4659928
>>4659937
>>4659964

Ok so... I ripped all textures from Tenchu and Tenchu 2, also Bushido Blade I and II and they are already in the optimal size and format to just like load it in Slade and go about using them.

The problem is most of them are 64x64 px, which for me is kinda smol for the modern gzdoom experience.

Should I share a link with all of them? I'm also thinking of getting the top 1000 (currently there's 5000 or so textures) and remaking them in photoshop as a long term project. What you guys thing?

>>4660202

>>4660278
Pretty clever. Unexpected at least.

>>4659067
What is the best WAD of the year so far?

>>4660292
golden souls 2

assuming it comes out this year

>>4660292
Brutal Doom 64 or GMOTA

>>4659067
You know I never really stopped to play Hexen, I did play heretic til the 2nd episode but I never beat the game

Should I /vr/ ? I played Hexen both on the pc and sega saturn and never thought it was really good

>>4660295
BD64 came out in 2016

>>4660324
Make sure you're keeping track of your surroundings and progress. Took me like, 3 or 4 tries before it sucked me in.

>>4660270
KEK be praised, they look great even the 64x64 ones. I'll start working on the pack asap.

>>4660324
May also take a few tries to find a class you like. I ended up finishing as a Cleric.

>>4660324
Finish Heretic first, it's way more fun

>>4660345
Heretic is just Doom with a fantasy skin but it's still pretty fun. I actually kind of like the new weapons more than OG Doom's.

>>4660096
Bit of progress on the server room, I'll be using mostly white lighting since this is a boom build (not even remotely skilled enough to juggle colored lighting and slopes yet) and I'm planning on making huge rooms where it's more about the theme of the map rather than a super challenging map. might do a key door and a boss MAP02

>>4660346
Well, the use of items changes things up a bit.

>>4660202

>>4660151
Just finished it, not very good at all. It seems like you just threw up random textures. You can hit the exit switch on map 2 from the bottom. You can bump into the wall and get the red keycard even though I never needed it on map 3. Some holes that you can run into was impassable even though you can logically reach and go through it. Cramped spaces and torches and trees just in the middle of places. Map 4 archviles was not fun. You use custom music on map 1,3,4 but not 2 for some reason.
Overall, it's not the worse I've ever played, but very poorly done.

>>4659168
On the topic, I must admit I like his tank overhaul, then again I still like most of his work still so maybe I'm just stupid

What does /doom/ think of the Doom novels?

>>4660392
Not terrible for the first two but then they go off the rails hard

>>4660392
Knee Deep in the Dead is a masterpiece, you can actually read the book with the game running and have a good idea what's going on in which map.

I haven't read all of Hell on Earth, but they do at one point refer to the Revenant as Mr. Bones, Pic Related

>>4660393
Unfortunately I only read the last one in the series I think, where they had already taken off in the spaceship (the book cover has doomguy shooting an imp with what looks like one heck of a heavy plasma pistol, overall background was greenish colored).

>>4660405
Yeah by the end there was very little to do with doom

>>4660398
I will never get off of Mr. Bones' wild ride.
Never.

>>4660405
What the fuck bro, spoiler that shit

>>4660151
I've only played 3 maps so far and there's definitely some weird design choices going on. Some parts felt unnecessarily cramped and I really hated the platforming part in map 2, I died like 3 times there. Texturing could also use some work.
I wouldn't say it's outright terrible, but there's a lot that can be improved, so keep at it.

>>4660419
source on doomguy's smile

how can I get GZDoom to actually close when I quit the game

>>4660405
I think I know what you're talking about, and the armor and pistol designs look really cool

>>4660392
Dafydd ab Hugh sounds like an onomatopoeical representation of a snort a heavy smoker would do in the middle of some hysterical laughing fit

>>4660458

>>4660458
Like this?
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1cMuKcr9ffo

>>4660419

But why, though? You are right.

This level design in Doom II is awful. I don't feel like finishing it.

>>4660508
a sentiment shared by everyone here, Doom 2 gets shat on all the time.

>>4660151
Do you still want demos? Cause I was gonna demo this for you.

>>4660508
I don't think it's as awful as some people make it out to be.

thanks for the criticism guys, gonna try to make the texturing more consistent and redo map04s gimmick as well as making the maps less cramped/more forgiving in general
>>4660526
yeah sure

>>4660508
>>4660525
I like maps 01,06,10,15,16,20,and 29

>>4660549
why did doomguy get a terrible haircut between the events of doom 1 and doom 2

>spent the last three hours kindly renaming all files in tenchu.wad like you nerds deserve it

I want to see some fucking nice japan maps you nogs.

>>4660572
Hell yeah, looking forward to it.

>>4660575
I've been playing around with some of the textures latety and oh boy do they work. Too bad I'm a shit mapper otherwhise I'd've already built something more consistent than this.

>>4660545
Here's map01: http://www.mediafire.com/file/d5tcl1iz37995zj/map01firstrun.lmp

Here's map02: http://www.mediafire.com/file/1el5k845dlsmh8u/map02firstrun.lmp

Map02 takes a while because it's a real cocksucker. The chainsaw pillar is too high, and it's very annoying to build up speed to grab it. I don't know if you play with mouselook on, but without mouselook, platforming blindly is really awful, especially when the penalty is the max damage hurtfloor. The Archvile fight is very annoying without mouselook too, because it's hard to get a precise shot while stumbling down stairs and trying to aim down. I don't know if you intended the first Revenant fight to be with a chainsaw, but I never felt comfortable enough with ammo to risk anything else.

More demos to come.

>>4660572
>>4660583
Did you convert them to doom palette, or does that ruin them?

>>4660595
probably would ruin them

>>4660595
I haven't tried yet, is that important? If so I hope I can quick-convert all those files.

I tried to cut them to some reasonable number but I realized that the one responsible for pruning and organizings this should be everyone.

There's like, thousands of textures that sometimes come in handy sets of 20, sometimes they're completely random. I don't know yet how to organize them, as in, how to name since I'm locked to 8 characters and having that many would requite careful coding... But I digress. I believe I might have a releasable alpha in one or two hours, but before that I'll try to drop more screens.

>>4660545
>>4660594
Here's MAP03: http://www.mediafire.com/file/cx637dzxowya6wx/map03firstrun.lmp

Here's an incomplete MAP04: http://www.mediafire.com/file/sy1dhg4d8z1cull/map04firstrun.lmp

It's incomplete because I managed to get launched by an Archvile into a hole that I couldn't get out of, but couldn't die in. I'll try to get you a completed version. You really like Barons in crushers, don't you?

A fun little idea I've been playing around with. Shame I can't sprite, but a blast all the same.

>What if Doom was Max Payne?

All those hit-scanning enemies would probably give a few people heart attacks.

>>4659353
Just finished it, so I can recommend Geogsh.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/cheogsh

It's around 400 monsters and is a journey through hell with many setpieces, music switches, theme changes. Excellent mod, and it took me about an hour and a half. And, yes, a little convoluted.

Technically two authors, because the author's friend made his apartment as an area in the game before he died...

>>4660659
>What if Doom was Max Payne?
Funny as hell, it was the most horrible thing I could think of...

Whats a good levelpack for Doom2 thats Zandronum Compat to run with friends? Lookin for somethin to fuck around in coop GMOTA or Samsara with.

On the same note any other good weapon replacers/game modifying wads ya'll'd recommend, especially for coop? I'm always lookin for goofy gameplay mods to run around with. RN I got La Tailor, MetroidDread, JPF, HND, Final Doomer, n MetaDoom to fuck around with. Anything with Zandronum Compat for coop is a bonus, but I'll take anything that sounds fun

>>4660545
>>4660594
>>4660653
Here's MAP04: http://www.mediafire.com/file/o4iph81v3xks43m/map04secondrun.lmp

Oh, I get it. Maps 1-3 were a dream, and then when I died, I woke up in Map 4. But where the fuck do I live? Why is my fucked up tech-apartment next to a pillar of Archviles? How did that Hell Knight and all those Lost Souls and Spectres get in my locked second room?

I have no earthly idea how I'd have survived the Archvile box without the blue armor and soulsphere.

I got lost because I couldn't remember where the red door was. Heading back to the start was a guess. If there was some kind of window or indicator (maybe by the yellow key?) it would have been a bit easier.

I try not to state my beliefs as objective quality because I believe in map creators having final say. But I will tell you what I think about your design philosophy: Your levels are weird, ugly, gimmicky, and filled with tight corridors, tight fights, and little ammo. You seem to really like the chainsaw, platforming, and environmental tricks. You seem to assume that players understand the little tricks of the engine -- specifically grabbing items by running fast enough, running diagonally to have enough speed to outrun fast water, and hitting switches that are above your actual height.

I felt more frustrated than challenged. Harsh punishments for platforming felt awful, having little ammo but needing to make tough shots was annoying, and navigating the levels felt awkward.

Thanks for letting me demo your work.

>>4660659
Something like this would be better for a Build engine game. A big part of what made Max Payne great was that every bullet was dodgeable because there was no hitscan, and Max was particularly agile (aided with bullet time), so you could pull off some killer stunts and dodges. Having an engine with no bullet modeling, native crouching, jumping, or ability to make complicated architecture to take cover behind takes away from that.

Also, Build allows for the kind of setpieces that Max had - blowing up walls and floors and car crashes and shit.

>>4660725
Well, that depends on what aspect of Max Payne you're trying to capture. If you're just trying to match the general tone, aesthetic and noir story style of the game, details like projectile bullets and bullet time don't matter so much.

But if you're trying to match the superb gameplay style with the bullet time, projectile bullets and destructible set pieces you could feasibly make it all work in Doom, but it would be a lot easier to do it in Build. Plus, the Build engine needs more love in general.

But you can't do either of these things without the basic enemy sprites, which is what I'm interested in. I'd love to find someone who'd do at least one of these as a request.

Anyone ever play Zero Tolerance for Genesis?

its fun as fuck

I like the results. There's a looot of shit yet to do but hey, now that it's out, feedback would be welcome.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/9l3ji2wxp1tj58p/Japanese+Texture+Pack+(aka+Tenchu4Doom).wad

>>4660753
I wish I had gotten to play it in-era, it probably would have been my favorite shit ever. Now it feels limited but I guess I played it during a time when I was just downloading tons of ROMs bored, I should give it a fairer chance someday

>>4660762
wood needs to tile better

>>4660762
Yo, holy shit

>>4660764
I could understand that feel. Playing it now does feel strange, however my brother purchased it on a whim because of the cover for us to play. Once I got used to the controls I found that it is very fun for a genesis fps lol

>>4660765
All textures actually tile like shit and will need general editing but thanks for the feedback.

>>4660773
It will look much much better on someone who isn't absolute crap at mapping like

>>4660765
All textures actually tile like shit and will need general editing but thanks for the feedback.

>>4660773
It will look much much better on someone who isn't absolute crap at mapping like I am.

>>4660782
Quick cave level with the same resource pack.. I'm off tonight guys see you later.

Why is Quake so perfect? Quake 5 returning to a gothic, grimy, lovecraftian theme with Reznor back on sound design and voicing Ranger when?

>>4660797
I'm not a mapper, but this is great. I hope this inspires people

>>4659839
I disagree.

>>4660152
>what's E2M9

>>4660250
Looks like the poster art cropped out and with a filter thrown on.

>>4660831
except the image you replied to shows more than the poster does

>>4660392
Not terrible, they sort of decay in quality with each entry, but the first one is kind of worth reading for atmosphere alone. The last one gets really fucking weird. I like the old covers over the new ones.

Dafydd Ab Hugh and Brad Linaweaver are interesting and weird dudes. One wrote Star Trek novels (and some of this reflects in the Doom novels), and Brad Linaweaver is a lolbertarian who hates communists, and worked on a shitload of low budget schlock movies, so I can relate to and respect these people on a lot of levels.

>>4660835
I noticed, maybe someone redrew it a bit to show more arm and back?

>>4660797
Ok last one it's 6AM here.

>>4660398
I'd hesitate to call it a masterpiece, but I think working from a game where the plot is extremely plain and basic, they do a decent job making characters and making for some narrative (for the first book).
The lone and isolated atmosphere is really strong, even when Fly isn't actually alone, and the authors do a really good job extrapolating and interpretating elements and locations from the first game, seemingly also taking a lot of cues and inspiration from Alpha and Beta developmental content, and/or Tom Hall's Doom Bible.

If you like Doom, and the "What if..." thoughts from looking at the developmental builds and ideas always sparked your imagination and excited you, then it can be interesting.
It takes a lot of liberties with the source material (and to an extent it's understandable, because Doom doesn't have much in characters or narrative), but it's better than you'd expect it to be.

As a /k/unt, the sparse gun stuff in the novels is kind of interesting. A lot of it is kind of silly and makes little sense if you have any knowledge on the subject (things like .30-99 caliber, "M-14 BAR", or a 150 round drum magazine for a shotgun), but the quirky ideas are kind of cute (the "SIGCOW", the interpretation of the rocket launcher and how you could carry so many rockets, etc).

There's a lot you could criticize though, and this gets truer and truer with each book.
The last book also is so weird and out there it for some reason makes me think a lot about Team TNTs work, mostly after Final Doom, where they'd do weirder and weirder stuff, like Icarus: Alien Vanguard, or Daedalus.
It feels very little like classic Doom, and more like someone's weird high concept Doom megawad from the late 90's/early 2000's.

>>4660458
That's the Welsh to you.

>>4660508
There's a lot of good stuff for like the first third, but there's also a lot of stuff which isn't especially good. I think it's worth playing through for the full experience, but nobody would hold it against you if you quit after Map 11

>>4660554
What are you talking about? It's so rad!

>>4660753
It's got a lot of neat things going for it.

>>4660775
It's certainly a lot better than one might think at a glance.
In some ways, it feels a lot like the typical "Wolfenstein clones" of the era, but it really brings a lot of creative ideas to the table. It's a bit more than only a corridor shooter, a bit like how Rise Of The Triad is far more than just based on Wolfenstein 3D.
The tech is mildly dated, but the devs really do a lot with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me6bzJ5fLw
"I think I'm gonna be sick"

>>4660392
If you've got time to kill, here's a podcast where they read the first Doom book and talk shit about it for an hour and a half.

http://www.idontevenownatelevision.com/2015/09/01/doom-knee-deep-in-the-dead-w-poncho-martinez/

>>4659654
I would give you a point for PSX Doom, because it's a kind of nice little package with some polish and features to it, but then there's the PSX port of Final Doom, which isn't even half as good as it should be, it just falls flat compared to the real Final Doom.

Overall, no arch-viles, less good revenants, etc. It's a strong detraction IMO.

>>4659732
>>4659917
A lot of the better work Sandy did for Doom was reworking scrapped Tom Hall maps.

For Doom 2, there was only one of those, and he was probably doing more maps than he should have, because Romero had developed an allergy towards doing his job, and American McGee was only so-so.
I think Sandy can be good, and he's really good filtering through Tom Hall leftovers, but I think in Doom 2 it was a less than ideal situation.

Looking at Quake, Sandy's maps there were absolutely ace.

>>4659656
>>4659659
I know what I'll be playtesting my mod with over Easter.

>>4660980
McGee's Quake maps are a lot better than his Doom material as well. Is it just a matter of a new engine and new 3D design capabilities letting them really run wild with their ideas?

>>4660121
Wait until you play Hexen.

Then wait until you play Deathkings of Dark Citadel.

Deathkings was so mazey due to multiple levels linked with portals that I gave up - and I have a pretty high tolerance for maze-like levels (as in I really enjoyed Hexen).

>>4661018
The worst part about Deathkings is that some moron decided to make mandatory puzzle elements look like the fucking wall, and made that mistake TWICE, leading to me run around and noclip like an idiot for hours looking for new paths across multiple levels until I gave up and looked up the solution. I was so fucking mad, why would they make that dogshit look like the walls and not stand out at all unless you know it's there.

>>4659829
>Arch vile
>He
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUFyZ_DqIkM
go at 25 sec,the arch viles death scream is a girls high pitched voice screaming "Why?" after you kill it

Is there room in this world for more tutorial videos?
I've been considering making some as a way to strengthen my Doombuilding muscles and video making skills.

>>4661065
There probably is, but the best way really to get better is to keep doing it.

>>4660762
Pretty tight. I'm not weeb enough to make use of it probably.
Tenchu was a great game, though.

So I just got through Big Gun in Quake 2 before the game crashes and refuses to let me progress. I skipped to the final boss and it was probably the most uninteresting fight I've ever played in my life. Every single level leading up to that boss (besides the few I didn't play obviously, dunno if they're this way or not) has been one of the most boring romps through tedious, ugly levels I've ever had in my entire life. Quake 2 was such a slog to play through that I legitimately got a headache just going through the levels after a while. The weapons are great, the enemies are great, but the levels and the placement of enemies are so fucking astoundingly boring that I'm amazed anyone ever gave this game anything above a mediocre rating. It's tedious, it's boring, and I seriously want to know how anyone likes this fucking game, because evidently it can't be for the levels.

>>4661053
That doesn't mean anything.

>>4659067
>>4659068
Mini mod release: zEpisodic, play ultimate doom or heretic without losing your weapons at the end of the episode,

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59912

>>4660762
Gonna go test this out with JPCP and Final Doomer.

>>4661238
I want to build something with the sword from GMOTA and Ketchup, but that's just me speaking because I'm shit at modding.

I think i found the reason of so many Hereticposters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxuHMmFs6cI

>>4660753
I really wish that this game and the "unfinished" sequel was remade on Doom

i spent a lot of time playing this when i was a kid when i lost my doom floppies to the fucking termites

heres the same map pack i posted yesterday with a couple of tweaks/improvements:
- brighter lighting
- most of map01-03 retextured
- slightly less claustrophobic combat
- archviles in map04 replaced with cyberdemon
- ""new"" music for map02
https://my.mixtape.moe/zwnzxn.wad

>>4661225
I remember seeing something like this in Zandronum long ago but I don't remember its filename. Healing after finishing an episode is a nice addition, though.

>>4661279
>that gamma

>>4661281
Yeah, that was svDoom or svHeretic if I recall correctly - it was a mapinfo patch, this works for both doom and heretic out of the box and I'm working on wadsmoosh compatibility so you can play through Doom 1, 2, NRFTL, Master Levels, TNT and Plutonia in one unbroken session

>>4661275
I love how he goes
>Visuals are greately improved
>Brutal Doom is good
>Therefore Brutal Heretic is good too
>Descries how every relevant gameplay aspect is made worse by the mod for the most of the review
>Great mod. This is the way to play Heretic these days.
Just shows how much of a casual shitter he really is.

>>4660419
'change my mind'
but there's nothing to change your mind to?

>>4660762
>filters

I just realized Heretic's better than Doom because there's no hitscan enemies.

>>4661279
That ZDaemon-tier gamma....

>>4661407
Heretic also has better level design, that is consistently good across the episodes.

>>4661397
ironically, for a game who even called out some shit journos (like jim sterling), he seems to have the same amount of depth in doom modding as they have

>>4661420
Yeah that too.

>>4659653
>>4659650
Wow I have never had more in common with any Doomer than these two dudes.
Dead Simple is my favorite map in any FPS. It's so perfect that it deserves the name. Also, it's where I stop playing Doom II.

>>4661279
I will give you credit, you took some of the criticism and did fix some things. I appreciated the teleporters in floors that kill you. I think you should turn around some of the pinkys because it's kinda weird looking seeing them turned around if their really is no threat around them. The textures also look a little better as well.

Map01: Lifts as stairs. Pinkys still can't get up beginning steps. Some pinkys should be turned around. I appreicate the lights moved and the blue armor can't be gained be bumping. I think the chainsaw around the revenant is pointless. Again I think berserk should be moved near beginning.
Map02: After the red door it's odd that stairs and a lift is there. Lift textures for stairs are odd as well. A brown square around the yellow key is out of place.
Map03: The stairs that lead to the bfg are not good. I would completely change the cyber/arch exit room. You can still run in the exit room and make it if your lucky. It's terrible. Actually had a glitch, I couldn't exit the level for some weird reason even though it worked the first time.
Map04: A lot of empty space after getting out the "house" around the wooden fence. I appreciate the switch for the cyberdemon even if it makes the map so much easier. I found it funny theirs a bridge to the cyberdemon but nothing really worth the risk to go there.

I honestly think you have potential just need to focus on making 1 good map rather than several subpar maps.

>>4661428
>>4661397
remember his review of ZBlood...

>>4661434

While I dont share you guy's hatred for hitscan enemies (they were used pretty well in doom, and not too horribly in doom 2 for the most part) I'll have to agree with that. The level design in Heretic is rock solid. I honestly never even really notice the severe texture limitations.

>>4661397
>This is the way to play Heretic these days
Why do you make shit up just to get mad over?

>>4661512
people with victim complex exist all over this site.

>>4659626
Both Doom 1 and Doom 2 has bad leveldesign, as long as Sandy Petersen is the leveldesigner. Episode 2 and 3 are as bad as Doom 2's city maps.

In my opinion the best Doom map is Circle of Death. Not terribly difficult, but abolutely great to look at.

Greatest Baron ever made.

>>4659839
Same opinion. But we shouldn't give Tom Hall much credit either. Some of Sandy's maps were made by Tom Hall, and all his shit looks like advanced Wolfenstein.

So two people who are responsible for the bad leveldesign in Doom 1 and 2.

>>4661565
made him too fast.

>>4661560
>E2
>bad

>>4661565
>>4661569
Yeah he's cool, but he's no Bruiser Demon.

and Gangsta Grosse.

>>4661571
Yes, and don't let your fanboyism blind you.

E2M1 is a terrible shit to start the episode. I don't think Hall was ever working on this one, it's not in the alphas, looks like a typical Petersen map built in 1 hour.

E2M2 - ok, this is not that bad, aside from the weird texturing here and there.

E2M3 - just an inferior version of E2M3, and I really don't like the intermission music when it goes loud.

E2M4 - again, weak texturing and repetitions, the crushers and fake crushers are nice idea though.

E2M5 - just empty halls and buttons, the outside area with the slime is OK, but that's all

E2M6 - one of the worst maps EVER. horrible mazes, empty areas and mazes.

E2M7 - this is fine, at least the base section. The rest of the map is whatever.

E2M8 - shit boss map

E2M9 - probably the worst map in any Doom game (besides E3M2). What's the fucking point?

So two decent map in the episode, the rest are from average to poor garbage.

>>4659068
DM4 Jam is Released. 22 Maps of Hot Goodness.

http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61554

>>4661590
why would you take on every individual map like you're making actual points on them and just say 'this sucks' lmao

>>4661590
>E2M3 - just an inferior version of E2M3
What did he mean by this?

>>4661595
What is DM4 jam?

>>4661603
everyone is a critic nowadays.

>>4661609
A pack of custom maps for Quake 1. Done in style of American Mcgee's DM4 map.
It's all explained in the link

ah cool my favourite TV show is on

So I just discovered my first doom map that I never finished. Should I try plugging away at it or should I scrap it and go for a new one?

>>4660583
Cieling texture is fucked but the wall and floor is perfect. Somehow I think there should be a sheet/paper maze here due to the oriental design of the walls, maybe you could make one out of these walls.

>>4661637
The ceiling is not actually from the set, only the walls. Have you tried the graphic pack? Feedback would be very welcome.

>>4661569
>>4661565
is it me or is this the closest to there being sprites of the doom 3 bruiser?

>>4661595
nice

>>4661605
typo... I wanted to write E2M2. But it's generic enough to be considered as your typical E2 map.

>>4661590
your criticisms are pretty poor.

>>4661595
nice.