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lets have a comfy earthbound thread on /vr/ because they always go too fast anywhere else

what was your favorite part or NPC?

>> No.4655842
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>>4655818
>favorite part
The final battle, no question. The sequence of events that unfolds to win made me grab a tissue or three.
>favorite NPC
pic
>misc
I really love the whole game, outside of the high frequency of combat. The characters, themes, locations, music, humor, attention to seemingly insignificant details, it's just a real pleasure to play.

>> No.4655856
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On Mother 1 it's definitely the whole last part, starting from Teddy's town (Ellay or Valentine). Getting into the night club, having a drink and go to jail. It's one of the biggest clichés in RPGs, when you get captured and you lose all your items. But the way it's done here has the parody and humorous element that makes it so memorable. You just buy your equipment back from the same policeman after you get free. Police officers selling weapons to kids, great.
Then the whole Teddy scene when he fights you, then joins you, and kicks Lloyd out for being a nerd. He comes off as an asshole, but then you learn about what happened with his parents and his motivations and you feel sympathy for the guy, plus he's a great party member with lots of buffed stats to tank through the perilous cave to reach the final destination of the game, Mt. Itoi. I won't narrate the whole Mt. Itoi sequence, but damn the plot advances a lot and it's all done in beautiful 8-bit sprite and sound aesthetics.
For Mother 2 I really like the beginning, Onett feels super nice to stroll through, and dealing with gang members and Frank was a nice nod to Teddy and his gang on M1. Then of course Fourside/Moonside, Saturn Valley.
On Mother 3 it's when time passes and you see the transformed, urbanized Tazmily Village, chapter 4 I think. Lots of stuff going on, you just need to talk to everyone to learn what happened. Also Tane Tane Island.
Favorite NPC is the moms in all 3.

>> No.4655863

>>4655818
When your Flyingman(s) die in M1 always makes me feel like a real asshole, which I think is the idea. A tombstone for each one; really memorable and effective emotionally.

>> No.4655867

>>4655863
They are awesome, they appear again in Mother 2's magicant.

>> No.4655876

>>4655867
>>4655863
I only had one starman die on me, and that was during the ness's nightmare fight. i made sure not to lose because of that.

>> No.4655883

>>4655876
*flyingman
fucking hell, dont know why i had them on the mind

>> No.4655892

>>4655883
there's a staaaaaaarmaaaaaan waiting in the skyyyyy

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>>4655892

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>>4655892
there's a staaaaaaarmaaaaaan waiting for you to dieeeeee

>> No.4655968

>>4655842
>The sequence of events that unfolds to win made me grab a tissue or three.
fucking this.
what happened to giygas was just depressing.

>> No.4656026

Those games are just okay.

>> No.4656027

playing through earthbound for the first time and love it. love how monotonous and random some of the enemies and characters are. refreshing as fuck with all the hyperbole in RPGs and games these days

>> No.4656036

>>4655856
Mother 1 is a really, really fantastic game, and I think you hit the nail on the head. It starts off kind of typical, but the final stretch of the game is just fantastic. I also thought the scenes between Ana and Ninten were really sweet.

>> No.4656060

>>4655818
Mother games are basically all about Love, the ones who understand it, and the ones who doesn't.

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>> No.4656117
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>> No.4656145
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>> No.4656157
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what the FUCK was pokes problem?

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>> No.4656205
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my favorite part had to be when you escorted paula home, and then if you take her to your house she says she wants to spend more time with you. it was cute af.

>> No.4656214

>>4656157
His parents didn't love him.

>> No.4656215

>>4656214
then why didnt picky turn out to be an asshole?

>> No.4656243

so what ever happened to the starmen?
do they just kind of wander the earth or are they in hiding, waiting to be activated like necrons?

>> No.4656284

>>4656060
giegue understood love but still got fucked over

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>> No.4656452

>>4656284
Porky Minch wanted love but never understood that to receive love, you first must give love to other people as well.
Giygas received love but could never fully understand it and eventually the confusion it made him feel ended up driving him insane.

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>>4656452
thats actually a pretty good interpretation.
good job anon.

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>>4656447
cute as fuck.
these two will always be my favorite vidya pair

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thats all for now, ill be back tomorrow with more art but i have to go to bed now

>> No.4656683

>>4656060
I swear I saw this very same comment in another site.
Also, not. It's about aliens and mommy issues

>> No.4656706

>>4656683
dont remind me of mary and giegue, i dont need those feels

>> No.4656896
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Jeff was great. I'm glad he got to spend some time with his dad.

>> No.4657034

>>4655818
>favorite part
The whole game EXCEPT the fucking desert part

>favorite NPC
Gotta be Jeff, he is so cool

also, this part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23qEArWaLjs

>> No.4657035

>>4656215
Picky was younger and didn't understand that getting beaten by your parents was unusual, yet. Pokey was old enough to look at Ness and realize that his life was better.

>> No.4657138

>>4657034
Which desert? I thought dust dunrs was fun.

>> No.4657141

>>4657138
*dunes
Fuck i cannot type today

>> No.4657151

>>4657138
Yes, Dusty Dunes
But it's mostly because of sunstroke and poisonous foes
I used to get pissed off on my first playthroughs

>> No.4657192

>>4657151
I thought Dusty dunes was alright
Deep darkness fucked me over though.

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>>4656896
Jeff is great, yeah, unlike Lloyd, he's not a coward, in fact he himself calls himself reckless. He's a cool nerd, plus he's the only one who never leaves your side in the whole game. He's Ness' bro.

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>>4657278
That is a cursed image.
also I can't tell whose in the middle

>> No.4657496

>>4657192
That's the most tedious part, but the Fourside Department Store is by far the hardest stretch of the game, holy shit. Each enemy does your whole health's worth of damage in one attack. You have to stuff Jeff's inventory full of Bottle Rockets and you either get lucky with the enemy spawns or you don't.

>> No.4657551

>>4655818
Part? Fourside/Moonside maybe, or saving Threed, or Poo's weird intro.

NPC? Pokey.

>> No.4657574

>>4657551
why pokey? he was an asshole
a sympathetic asshole, but an asshole nonetheless

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>>4657574
Not anon, but IMO he's just a fun and interesting antagonist. One that hits home for kids too. I feel like everyone knew someone like Pokey growing up.

>> No.4657881

>>4657767
yeah, he was a pretty good villain.
shame he didnt really act the same in 3

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>> No.4657937

>>4657307
That's part of the joke.
>>4657574
Porky is great. Itoi has said Porky is his favorite character.
>>4657881
He is the same. He's a immature child in both games, in M3 he is also just the biggest nostalgiafag and #1 Earthbound fanboy.

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>>4655818
This guy does some super nice Earthbound fan-art. (Ionic-Issac)

>> No.4657958

>>4657937
in 3 he was less of an immature child and more of just dr. evil.
at least, thats how he sounded. there may have been other things that said differently, but his dialogue makes him sound different.

>> No.4657970

>>4657958
In Mother 3 Porky is suppose to be a critique in being obsessed with the past and too nostalgic. He is absolutely obsessed with the events of Earthbound. From saving Ness' yoyo, to playing a movie about the game, to selling imitation bats and hats of Ness in NPC, to the nostalgia tunnel in his tower. For Porky Earthbound was his "high point" and he wants to recreate the experience as best as possible. Lucas was his new Ness, someone who could oppose him. But like Ness he grew over confident in proving his supperiority to himself and others and ultimately destroyed himself.

>> No.4657978

>>4657970
that makes sense i guess.

>> No.4657987

you know, 3 is a nice game and all, but i was kind of let down. it may just be me being dumb, but based on EBs ending and what pokey says, i kind of expected ness to be in it, like a final confrontation to wrap up some loose ends.
im pretty sure thats just me though.

>> No.4658001

>>4657987
Nah, as I said in >>465797, Mother 3 is about letting go of the past since embrassing it too much can destroy you. I think having Ness and the others actually would be cheap nostalgia bait. Instead I like the new cast and how they were different from older casts.

>> No.4658002

>>4658001
i know, but then they shouldnt have set it up like that in 2.
still, i think if it was done right it could have been kinda cool. i heard rumors about EB64 having ness in it after pokey destroyed onett, but im not entirely sure thats true.

>> No.4658005

>>4658001
>>4658002
also i want to make it clear that i do not mean having ness as the protag, i think the new cast is good.

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>>4657278
id like to think that at one point, jeff just used a straight up .45 pistol as his gun

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i always felt bad when the flying men died

>> No.4658453

anybody got any good headcannons?

>> No.4658903

>>4658453
Ninten and ana are ness's parents

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Dungeon man was great. The signs were hilarious.
What was you favorite NPC/character?

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>> No.4659347

>>4657151
I liked Dusty Dunes, felt very atmospheric and changed things up.

>> No.4659574

>>4659347
i wish it went on for longer
same with scaraba and summers.

>> No.4659575
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paula is best mother girl

>> No.4659665

>>4659574
The Eternal Tourist Trap
Fantastic Place

>> No.4659736

>>4659665
the music was top notch and it was super comfy

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>>4659574
>>4659665
Summers is great, I've always been obsessed with the summer beach town locations in games for some reason.

>> No.4659746

>>4659743
>tfw will never live in summers-esqe place

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>>4658965
I know they're probably overrated at this point, but I love the Mr.Saturns. Their design, their dialogue, Saturn Village, everything. I think I revisited them the most during my first playthrough.

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>>4659746
edisnoom ni evil syawla lliw wft>

>> No.4659847

>>4659838
moonside must have been fucking terrifying for ness and jeff.

>> No.4659870

>>4659847
It's just not a Mother game without a healthy amount of traumatic experiences for the protagonists.

>> No.4659880
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>>4659575
>not kumatora
try again

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>>4659880
kuma a shit
paula best girl

>> No.4659929

I've always been enamored with Jeff's journey from winters to threed. How he levels up to the party's level while on the journey. Earthbound does a lot of really cool stuff with game mechanics to enhance the narrative that a lot of jrpgs are kind of lazy about.

>> No.4659965

>>4658334
Well, he DID use a fucking bazooka, so...

>> No.4659975

>>4659965
id like to think that ness and paula just called it a bazooka, but he was really autistic about the names and kept correcting them.

>> No.4660056

>>4659975
Dude, Jeff could biuld fucking RAY GUNS using scrap. So of course it's a fucking bazooka, and the fact it hits like a truck and targets more than one enemy makes it fucking awesome to mow down whole rows of enemies or to weaken them enough to be fucked up by the other characters before the end of the round.

>> No.4660095

>>4660056
no, i mean like they called it a bazooka but he kept saying it was a recoilless rifle or a LAW or something. like he knows the exact name of it.

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>>4656896
Loopylupe's Pokey is best Pokey. Prove me wrong.

>> No.4660130

>>4660128
Wasn't meant to be a reply post :s

>> No.4660204

>>4660128
any pokey is great as long as the dont look to overly cheerful.

>> No.4660379

>>4660128
wheres his spider mech?

>> No.4660407

>gets captured by a blue cult
>gets captured by a walking octopus
>no interesting arc like Jeff or Poo
>lowest hp in the group
Why is Paula such a jobber?

>> No.4660415

>>4660407
>literally wins the game by killing giygas
>best PSI moves
>is best waifu
anti-paulafags BTFO

>> No.4660456

>>4659880
Kumatora is a roastie dyke, fuck outta here.

>> No.4660493

>>4660407
You (literally) can't defeat the final boss without her, buddy.

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>>4660493
bestgirl confirmed

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>>4660379

>> No.4661158

Favorite part is the Coffee break, but also the the part after you beat gygas,and you can walk around and talk to peoplealso how would you best describe the spirit of Earthbound?

>> No.4661169

what is your favorite track on the OST?
mine is "your name, please", or "You've come far Ness"

>> No.4661276

>>4655818
moonside and the final battle were most resonant with me, especially moonside

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIMuCudzgLM

>> No.4661285

>>4661169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phZ8kFOO3-A

>> No.4661580

>>4661158
i think >>4656060
had a pretty good summary

>> No.4661616

>>4661169
either otherworldly foe or kraken of the sea.

>> No.4661701
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>> No.4662001
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>> No.4662042

I just beat Master Barf, how much longer is this game?

>> No.4662165

>>4662042
in his first form? quite a bit. in his second form? not much.

>> No.4662198

>>4662042
you have two more sanctuaries, the onett invasion and the final boss to go.

>> No.4662247

>>4662001
>>4660672
hivemind

>> No.4662298

>>4661169
Gotta be You've Come Far Ness

>> No.4662329

>>4660562
did they fug?

>> No.4662502
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this guy comes up and PSI starstorm omegas your GFs ass
what do you do?

>> No.4662681

>>4662502
pay $200 to get her out of the hospital.

>> No.4662696

>>4655818
Very rare game and most expensive for SNES. Only youtuber I know of who actually owns it is happyconsolegamer

>> No.4662702

>>4662696
it didnt sell well due to an abysmal marketing campaign

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>>4662502
*replenishes your fuel supply*

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>fucks your shit up

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Hi

>> No.4663251

>>4663214
>the marauding October stole a sword of kings in the heat of the battle

>> No.4663274

>>4663251
Your fault for not immediately equipping it.

>> No.4663379

>>4663274
It stole it before I could.
Good thing I found another one.

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>>4663152
>mfw he ends up calling 5 more of them

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id love to see an EB cartoon.
so much potential.

>> No.4664158

>>4664142
>Cartoon
Nah, stop motion or nothing.

>> No.4664169

>>4664158
how can you do cool fights with stop motion? fuck outta here with that.

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>>4664169
Have you forgotten that most promo art for the series was done with those beautiful handmade figures?
Hell, they were even on the back of the game's box like pic related.
They're cute, charming, and stop motion naturally conveys that oddball charm Earthbound looks for.
As for action, have you not seen Laika studios Kubo & The Two Strings? It can be done, and wonderfully so.

>> No.4664403

>>4656683
>Guiegue had foster mommy issues
>Porky Minch had epic mommy issues
>Lucas' mommy issues were buried after the second chapter.

>> No.4664705

>>4664349
its not practical.
in addition, animation can be more fluid and detailed which is important in a detail oriented thing like EB

>> No.4664707

>>4664403
guigue didnt have mommy issues, he had daddy issues. his dad betrayed him and left him and his mom to die.

>> No.4664814

>>4662502
*pray*

>> No.4664862

>>4664814
*sacrifices using PSI freeze*

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>be 13
>dabbling in pornography
>try alcohol experimentally
>MEANWHILE
>play Earthound for 1st time
>"This game rulez!!1!
>fastforward
>be 23
>crippling pornography addiction
>alcoholic
>play Earthbound for distraction's sake
>"Giygas is attacking from 10 years in the past."
>mfw

>> No.4665098

>>4665075
what even is this post

>> No.4665109

>>4665075
my point was that the plot climax of Earthbound coincidentally described/describes my life.

>> No.4665113

>>4665109
oh.

>> No.4665136

As someone who never played Earthbound/Mother where do I start? And if I start with mother 1 do I play the famicom version?

>> No.4665142
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>The enemy dropped a present!
Yes, finally!
>Inside the present, there was a Brain Food Lunch!
FFFFFFUUUUUU

>> No.4665148

>>4665136
>ignore Mother
>play Earthbound for SNES.
>Google "Earthbound Guide"
>click/download the nintendo.co.jp version
>??????
>profit

>> No.4665151
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I'm just gonna play the first game any advice mates?

>> No.4665153

>>4665148
>>4665136
dont ignore M1, but play it after EB.

>> No.4665154

>>4665151
id play EB first but if you really want to there are some hacks out there that help out.

>> No.4665157

>>4665154
Are they listed on starman.net?

>> No.4665160

>>4665157
maybe, im not sure.
ive never really used that site.

>> No.4665237

>>4665148
>>4665153
Thanks famalams

>> No.4665336

>>4665151
Play the Mother 1+2 translated version for the GBA

>> No.4665565

>>4665153
>dont ignore M1, but play it after EB.
But the series is best enjoyed when played in order.
If you go from Mother 1 to Mother 2, you will enjoy the QoL improvements. Going back to M1 after playing 2 will make it a bit harder to go back to random encounters and stuff (unless you're used to play NES RPGs).
And from a plot standpoint, fighting the final boss on Mother 2 is a lot more meaningful if you played through 1 first.

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>>4665336

>> No.4665672

>praised as the chosen one
>muh sanctuary
>muh magicant
>gets ridiculous stats boost near the end
>always win no matter what
>never does anything wrong
>possibly hugs paula
Is Ness a gary stu?

>> No.4665678

>>4665672
>is actually a fearful kid but doesnt let it show
>dad left so has daddy problems
>gets easily distracted (threed, magic cake)
>constantly loses battles (if you say you didnt youre a fucking liar)
"no"

>> No.4665685

>>4665672
>>never does anything wrong
>nearly got the party killed twice

>> No.4665687

>>4665672
how were the sanctuaries and magicant indicative of being a gary stu?
fuck outta here with that bs.

>> No.4665869

>>4665142
bran food lunch saved my ass i dont know how many times

>> No.4665893

>>4665678
Fan theories aren't canon, even less an argument.
>>4665685
Not an argument.
>>4665687
>how were his special powers that make him special and above everyone else an indicative of being a gary stu?

>> No.4665909

>>4665893
>needing to call his mom after being afraid
>nearly getting the party killed isnt a flaw
>does not always win
the only way you would think this is if you didnt look into the game. also magicant is inherent to everyone. everyone has one, its their own mind. and the sanctuaries werent tied to ness, they were tied to the soundstone.

>> No.4665957

>>4665893
ness being fearful isnt a fan theory. nor is his dad not being home.
he has to call his mom when he gets homesick and his dad is never seen.

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>> No.4666224
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>> No.4666241

>>4655818
I've heard the translation for mother 1+2 for game boy advance is so close to being finished. I really want to play the whole trilogy on my advance SP-101 because i've never played any earthbound games.

>> No.4666290

>>4666241
1+2 for GBA has been done for years. Unless someone is actually inserting the whole script into M2 instead of just item names, etc. That GBA collection is the absolute worst way to play either game though, it's a shame.

>> No.4666353

>>4666290
my biggest gripe is the soundtrack.
no GBA game sounds good except for some parts of Pokemon

>> No.4666361

>>4666353
Yeah the soundtrack for M1 is pretty much unlistenable; and it's one of my favorite soundtracks ever.

>> No.4666483

>>4666361
just listen to what they did to battle against a machine

>> No.4666509

>>4655818
What a dumb Dragon Quest clone. An Earthbound thread killed my brother.

>> No.4666524

>>4666483
please no. I've tried to play the GBA version several times due to everyone shilling the translation, but the flash-game movement mechanics and ruined music turns me off after about 15 minutes every time.

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>>4666509

>> No.4666741

>>4666524
this pretty much sums up my feelings on the music for 1+2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzhxP-pdos

>> No.4666748

>>4666741
accurate

>> No.4667043

Earthbound is the coolest game ever.

Nothing even comes close.

>> No.4667045

>>4667043
suicide simulator is a close second

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>> No.4667732

>>4665157
Play the 25th Anniversary Hack

>> No.4667749

>>4667732
I hope you aren't talking about the one with the mangled spritework

>> No.4667807

>>4667749
i thought that was the one that has updated sprites to look like EB

>> No.4667813

>>4667807
Have you looked at it though

>> No.4667819

>>4667813
whats wrong with it?

>> No.4667821

favorite NPC go go go

>> No.4667841

>>4667821
jeff

>> No.4667846

>>4667841
thats not an NPC

>> No.4667905

>>4666290
Art and sound quality aside, why exactly is 1+2 the worst way to play either game? Doesn't it MASSIVELY improve the balancing, more so than the 25th Anniversary Edition?

>> No.4667907

>>4667905
And when I say either game, I specifically mean Mother 1.

>> No.4667930
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>Spend hours grinding to get the broken antennae
>Finally get it
>The bazooka is still more effective

>> No.4667934

>>4667930
>he doesnt use the heavy bazooka
lamo

>> No.4667948

>>4667934
Yeah that was the one, the heavy bazooka

I kind of wish they gave it some kind of drawback so you wouldn't constantly use it.

>>4667821
Apple Kid

>> No.4667951

>>4667948
the drawback is that you have to navigate the menu each time you want to use it.

>> No.4668005

>>4667905
There aren't any balancing issues in M1 to begin with; you beat it around level 30; It's a 15-20 hour game tops. Aside from what I already mentioned, the recreated game engine feels like a flash game; it's pretty much inferior in every single way: gameplay, art, and sound. It's cool for taking MOTHER on the go, but it's simply a bad version of the game. Especially in current year when we have a complete, localized US version that already has improvements built-in to play.

>> No.4668116

>>4667930
It's much when you try to get the magic frypan from one of the chomposaurs on the lost underworld. It's hard as fuck to get and it isn't Paula's strongest weapon either (although I think it has a strongest stat)

>> No.4668126

>>4668116
well you level up a fuckton so im not complaining.

>> No.4668137

>>4668126
By the time I was there I was alreaddy capped at 99 from looking for the SoK.
I only did an autistic "all rare drops" run once though, on the GBA version (since it was easier to play while on the shitter or lying on bed). I also got the gutsy bat, after many, many hours of playing through that last section over and over.
Then I was casually playing the game on my SFC and I got the SoK without even trying.
Don't think I'll have the same luck with the magic frypan or the gutsy bat though.

>> No.4668151

>>4665151
God this looks so fucking good. I miss stuff like this, or the model of the overworld in Zelda 1's manual.

>> No.4668187

>>4668137
well if you did that run then you cant really complain since thats what you set out to do.

>> No.4668208

>>4668116
The thing is, the magic frying pan is preferable to the holy one because Paula should be attacking with all PSI anyway, she can't do shit physically.

>> No.4668212

what are some good romhacks, I've played the the base game too much

>> No.4668227

>>4668187
Of course, these drops are just meant to be a lucky extra and aren't really needed to beat the game.
>>4668208
True, that's why I said they buff you up, I guess they give you more PP or something. Can't remember now.

>> No.4668253

>>4668212
you can try looking around starman.net

>> No.4668263

>>4668212
I tried NG+ once, the problem with it is it doesn't get rid of the undroppable items and it fills your storage too quick.

>> No.4668309

Jeff was too OP

>Use multi bottle rocket on boss
>Win

>> No.4668336

>>4668309
i fucking wish. i had to use two or three of those fuckers before the diamond dog would go down.

>> No.4668363

Favorite part was probably the end where you go into the future. So strange and unexpected. And the final battle is crazy, but frustrating because using Pray to win didn't occur to me at all. Favorite NPC(s) is the runaway five for sure

>> No.4668402
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I lold at the father

>> No.4669004

>>4668402
it was funny but kind of sad, seeing as how ness only knows his dad through a phone

>> No.4669058

New Age Retro Hippie and Evil Abstract Art are my fave baddies. Angry shopper lady is up there too.

>> No.4669121

>>4669058
the hippie is great, he has white teeth and kick ass music.

>> No.4669226

Got my first sword of kings after 24 years.

>> No.4669264

>>4669004
It's a shame we didn't see an scene like the one at the end of Mother.
Also the game that it was supposed to set up.

>> No.4669382

>>4669264
what game? explain to a brainlet.

>> No.4669383

>>4669226
congrats. hope it doesnt get stolen by an octofuck

>> No.4669434

anyone else find what happened to giygas incredibly sad?

>> No.4669447

>>4669382
The end of Mother shows Ninten's dad trying to call him saying "something new has come up" before he gets grabbed by something.
Setting up for a sequel of sorts, but it never materialized.

>> No.4669457

>>4661169
"Embraced by the Skyscrapers" -- Fourside's theme.
If you are familiar with Vancouver, Canada walking off the bridge into Fourside feels like coming off the Lion's Gate Bridge thru Stanley Park and walking up to the Sylvia Hotel at English Bay...
my favorite NPC in Everdred. I like to think of him as a Carl from Aqua Teen's tier guy.

>> No.4669484

>>4669457
everdread was pretty cool. by the way, was it confirmed weather he died or not?

>> No.4669997

>>4669447
Oh.

>> No.4670016

Sometimes I wonder if Itoi is cursed, considering how the three games got stuck on development hell and were released late into their console lifetime.
He will probably die if he tried to work on a mother 4.

>> No.4670069

>>4662962
Is that a garage reference?

>> No.4670078

>>4670016
How could they fuck it up even worse? Are they just gonna put a bomb in his office this time?

>> No.4670230

>>4669264
Don't feel too bad, they were setting up for pokey to come back for Ness at the end of M2, but that was dropped completly. Shame, would have been kind a cool too.

>> No.4670287

>>4655818

Which rom for best experience?

>> No.4670656

So guys, what would Mother 4 look like? What would you like to see if it happens?

>> No.4670662

>>4670656
Mother 4 is your story, the story of the person who beat the Mother games then went on to have great adventures of his own IRL

>> No.4670679

>>4670662
God what a shitty depressing story.

>> No.4670686

>>4670679
Start playing better

>> No.4670894

>>4670662
This is actually canon confirmed by Itoi.
Also, Animal Crossing.
>>4670679
Don't cry until the end!

>> No.4671192

>>4670679
kek

>> No.4671489

I owned earthbound on snes. Had it since I was a kid and loved it. A few years ago my place got broken into and most of my vidya stuff got stolen including earthbound and my snes games.

I'll never pay outrageous prices to buy back another copy. Fucking hurts

>> No.4671515

>Jeff crashes the Sky Runner after answering Paula's call and finally meeting Dr. Andonuts, who shows minimal interest in him
"My dad, I mean Dr. Andonuts"

>After a long, hard, arduous journey in which Dr. Andonuts was critical to him finally confronting his destiny
"Dr. Andonuts, I mean my dad."

If that's not kino, I don't know what is.

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>>4659575
Damn right

>> No.4671539

>>4659929
Same here man, I love that part, Winter is cozy as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiGfjOLF_j0

>> No.4671608

>>4671489
F

>> No.4671732

>>4671515
the fact that when you first meet him, he hardly recognizes jeff and then by the end he wants to spend time with him gives me feels

>> No.4671757

>>4662696
Nintendo successfully shutdown any retro site that posted that rom with an army of lawyers while also targetting Mario games.

Which makes it one of the weirdest reasons for a game to increase in value.

>> No.4672074

>>4671757
Thats odd, I had no trouble finding a rom and emulating.

>> No.4672239

>>4671757
That was only like a couple months ago and they didn't do a good job either. Also, disposable, digital versions of a game can't change the prices of physical ones lmao.

>> No.4672372

>>4658453
Jeff smashed Tony's boipucci

>> No.4672581

>>4658903
The person talking to you was queen Mary. She was also the one who gave Paula all the status effects when she prayed for help.

>> No.4672586

>>4672581
Meant for>>4658453

>> No.4672594

>>4672581
In my headcanon, Queen Mary disappeared along with Magicant once all 7 melodies were gathered, and Maria could finally return with George. Mother 1 is a love story, about Maria and George.

>> No.4672691

>>4672594
But George was an asshole who abandoned her and left the son that she loved so much to die. If anything Mary can not me be with giegue

>> No.4672702

>>4655818
My favorite part was when I sold the cartridge for a $190.

>> No.4672801

>>4672702
man you got jipped.

>> No.4672875

>>4658453
porky originally intended to turn ness into a chimera later on, and claus was the prototype

>> No.4673002

>>4672691
>son that she loved so much to die
More like the "son" that kept them cautive while their family at home thought they were gone for good.
George did what he could to guide Ninten so that he could free Maria's soul from Magicant.

>> No.4673003

>>4656584
what the FUCK was their problem?

>> No.4673004

>>4673002
but it was proven the mary loved giegue like a son, and was angry with george experiment in on him. plus, why didnt he help her escape?

>> No.4673145

>>4673004
George probably wanted to escape with her but she refused to leave without giegue.

>> No.4673153

>>4673145
then why couldn't he have helped giegue escape too?

>> No.4673243

>>4673153
But with what purpose would giegue want to leave?
>george steals secrets from an alien race
>"maria we wuz psychics n we have to leave"
>"no george, I won't leave without giegue!"
>"I'm not leaving with the guy who stole from my people"
>george gets back to earth to do experiments
>now humans can use pk
>???
>profit

>> No.4673252

>>4673243
>But with what purpose would giegue want to leave?
to be with his mom, the only person who ever cared about him?

>> No.4673548

>>4671608

Thanks. They stole a bunch but earthbound is like the only thing I found irreplaceable. Know that sounds gay, but whatever. Maybe I'll buy a repro cartridge one day. I used to own the real one so it doesn't seem like a bad thing to me

>> No.4673602

>>4673548
if your gonna get a repro cart you may as well get one with a run hack.

>> No.4673639
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>> No.4673678

>>4673668
The statue should be shiny, not gooey. I rly like the way the original sprite looks with the sparkles.

>> No.4673701
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I can't wait for the remake of Mother 1 using Mother 2/Earthbound's ROM as its basis. It feels like they've been working on it forever.

>> No.4673707

>>4673701
I have some bad news anon...

>> No.4673719

>>4673707
What? The official thread hasn't mentioned any cease and desist letters or anything. It seems the guy running the project has been laying low for a good while in order to avoid this. But last time he posted, the project seemed pretty far along. There's just some amount of ASM hacking left, but the graphics and music, etc., are all complete.

>> No.4673724

>>4673719
Chanses are if it's taken this long with little word on why, it's in development hell.
Is love if this came out, but don't get your hopes up

>> No.4673725

>>4673724
*chances
Fucking hell, I need to go to bed

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>>4671515
>Ness still didn't get to see his father

>> No.4674186

I beat the slime boss. Where do I go next and how much longer is the game?

>> No.4674242

>>4674186
You go to back to threed and it's quite a bit longer. Unless you mean you beat him in his second form in that case you go to the cave in the swamp and not much longer.

>> No.4674437

>>4673724
It's not in development hell, it's just one guy working on everything except the graphics and music, so it's bound to take a long time. It seems on par with some kind of official release, games that had actual teams of people working on them, only in this case it's even more difficult because you're hacking a rom rather than programming things directly.

>> No.4674650

all the mother games are bottom tier.
the third one (the apparent best in the series) had a preachy as fuck story that was bland and cliched and had stale characters and awful settings to boot.
ive never played the other two but after this i can safely say the i will never do so, as the whole series is bottom tier.

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>>4674650

>> No.4674670

>>4674650
>only plays the one some call the most
>only plays the one most different from all the rest
no wonder you formed that opinion.why don't you, instead of assuming, play Mother 2

>> No.4674770 [DELETED] 

What voice does everyone read Meta Knight's dialogue in? His anime dub voice or his SSB voice?

>> No.4674990

>>4674670
>play Mother 2
games like this only get better with time, so logic dictates that if 3 was bad 2 will be worse

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>>4674990

>> No.4675238

you know, when i first heard about the masked man, i kind of thought it was going to be ness.
i still kind of wonder how things would have been different if this were the case.

>> No.4675242

>>4675238
is the earthbound series worth a look into new to it

>> No.4675248

>>4675242
sure it is.
looking deeper into this series always leads to a different experience. especially the first two.

>> No.4675258
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where the fuck did they all go?
those things were actually fucking menacing at the end of 2, and the fact that they just seemed to have dissipated gave me the creeps.

>> No.4675519

>>4674437
Well if it's just one guy then that's understandable

>> No.4675587

>>4674186
You mean belch?

>> No.4676087
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>> No.4676189

>>4675258
You know, Ness and co. traveling in time to defeat Gyigas in the past probably messed up the timeline, deleting them in the process.

>> No.4676214

>>4676189
But that doesn't make sense, because giygas effects were still seen even when they came back.

>> No.4676367

>>4676214
Well then, they probably left the earth alone after their leader was destroyed, Porky did something to/with them or they tried to attack the earth again between the events of EB and M3, only to get btfo/destroyed along the rest of the world.

>> No.4676396

>>4676367
Actually that would be a pretty good explanation as to why the world went to shit. The starmen reawoken and overwhelmed Ness and his freinds, and the world was destroyed except for the island since it was isolated by the dark dragon.

>> No.4676417

>>4658453
Kumatora is actually Ness and Paula's kid.
It may be a stretch but hear me out.
Kuma was a powerful psychic like Ness and Paula, she also had Paula's powers, and she was courageous and reckless like ness.
My theory is that when the world went to shit, they used one of Jeff's time machines and sent their daughter to the only place that was safe, the nowhere islands.
It's autistic, sure but I want to belive

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>>4676417

No...no she's not. Because if thats the case Kumatora is over 1000 years old.

>> No.4676675

>>4676656
did you miss the part about the time machine? they sent her to 16 years before the events of the game

>> No.4676690

>>4676675
>>4676656
unknowingly of course

>> No.4676750

>>4676656
did you read the post?

>> No.4676870

Why do headcanons regarding the events between M2 and M3 intrigue me so much?
I'd love to see a fangame exploring that interval like they did with CD for between M1 and M2.

>> No.4676904

>>4665151
Just one: no crying until the end.

>> No.4676919

>>4676904
thats a damned lie.
what happened to giegue was the saddest shit in the series

>> No.4676926

>>4676870
that would be pretty cool.

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Any love for Duster? My favourite non-PSI user in the series.

Also he should be in smash bros

>> No.4677258
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>>4676919
Thanks for using the correct spelling.

>> No.4677272

>>4677258
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>4677252
my favorite is jeff, but duster is pretty cool.

>> No.4677661

so was dungeon man technically the first chimera?

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>> No.4677913

>>4655892
He'd like to come and meet us,
but he thinks he'd blow our minds!

Am I the only one who gets serious earthbound vibes listening to that song? Not just because of the name but the song overall feels very Mother 1.

>> No.4678649

>>4677913
Yeah I got that vibe too.
Also the starmen seemed a lot more menacing in 2. Like in 1 they were going easy on ninten and now they actually want Ness and his freinds dead by any means. Creepy.

>> No.4678716

>>4677913
I believe The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust was one of the music influences for Keiichi Suzuki and Tanaka. There's an article that was translated where they go in detail about each album that inspired the music in the games, there's everything from reggae albums to My Bloody Valentine. I could be remembering wrong but I'm almost sure they cited Ziggy.

>> No.4678903

>>4675238
>chimera ness
im surprised there isnt more fanworks of this. its an interesting concept but not a lot of people do much with it.

>> No.4679017
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4679017

tracy is an underrate EB character.

>> No.4679273

Where did pokey get the pigmask army?

>> No.4679406

what was your favorite enemy?
mine was the final starman.

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>>4655856

>> No.4679763

>>4679691
Is teddy the video game equivalent of Chad thunder cock?

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>>4679763

>> No.4679778

>>4659746

Oh come on dude, you can get in your car now and drive to Summers if you want.

>> No.4679781

>>4679778
i live in Missouri
thats gonna be a long fucking car ride.

>> No.4679794

>>4679775
does anyone have the one of the virgin lucas and the chad ness?

>> No.4679830

>>4679781

Yeah, but you can fucking do it.

Its 13 hours to get from Columbia to the gulf coast. 19 hours to get to Miami. Just over a day to get to San Diego.

I love just driving places.

And its not like you need to live there forever. Just be there for 6 months, summer is coming up and living is much easier.

>> No.4679846

>>4679830
>I love just driving places
well i fucking dont. i cant stand being in such a crampt place for so long. flying on the other hand, its great (unless its an airbus or budget airline) but my wallet hates me for it.

>> No.4679854

>>4679846

Well la-dee-fucking-da, stay stuck in the Ozarks then.

>> No.4679874

>>4679854
i will, asshole.
at least until i get my pilots licence

>> No.4679878

>>4679874

Then why are you whining that you'll never get to Summers?

Oh, because you're a fucking faggot.

>> No.4679883

>>4679878
youre the one who brought it up, fag.

>> No.4679995
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>> No.4680050

So, what EB/Mother merchandise do you own anon?
I only have the ness amiibo and the Mother 1+2 cd(which was $25~).

>> No.4680061

>>4680050
none currently. i would like to buy some of those jap figurines but i am poor.

>> No.4680085

>>4680050
speaking of EB merch i heard funko is going to be putting some out soon.

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>>4680050
Pic related and one of the Mother 1+2 Mr. Saturn keychains.
Also the Mother 3 Deluxe Box.
I'd like to have the OSTs.

>> No.4680814

>>4679775
kek

>> No.4680919

>>4680093
why bother with the OSTs when you can just find them on youtube?

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>> No.4681828
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>>4680919
Long story short, I actually got into the Mother series because of Keiichi Suzuki, I was a fan of his work with Moonriders, etc since long ago.
To add to that, one of my favorite songs from one of my favorite bands (Uchoten) has music written by Suzuki, and lyrics by Itoi. When I learned that, I wanted to try the Mother games right away, didn't regret.
Since I got into it due to the music first and foremost, I'd like to own the original CD releases, I already collect music records anyway, and I have some Suzuki stuff.
Sorry if I bored you.

>> No.4682468

>>4681828
Nah that's cool. Nice to see how people got into this series.

>> No.4682629
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You think these two got together? I hope they did.

>> No.4682636

am i still team peep

>> No.4683231

>>4682636
Good for you

>> No.4684170

>>4682636
No yes mabey
Moowell ot cosmide

>> No.4684230

>>4656027
This. It's nice to have a game that just tells a story rather than forcing in some message

>> No.4684810

>>4681828
Didn't they come out with an M2 vinyl recently?

>> No.4684817

>>4684810
Yeah. I would like to know if there's an older vinyl version, but I think by 1989 when the game came out in Japan, CD was already the new standard for music releases.

>> No.4685057

>>4684817
yeah, i think it just came out.

>> No.4685478

>chocolate single handedly wipes out creme and peepfags
>PB fags steal the spot and think they did any work at all

>> No.4685580

>>4675238
that would have made more sense then what happened tbqh.
pokey always thought that he was under ness, while simultaneously thinking that ness was a poor loser. he would finally be able to get ahead of him and prove that he is just a loser by making him his slave. i could entirely see pokey doing that.

>> No.4685663

>>4685478
this

>> No.4685669

>>4661169
Pokey Means Business and Frank's theme

>> No.4685683
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>>4679406
Mole Playing Rough

>> No.4685693

>>4679406
The attack roaches, but just because of how ridiculous they are.
I mean, a roach is at much about three inches long, isn't it

>> No.4686553

>>4685669
>frabks theme
My nigga

>> No.4686592

Any tips for a first time Earthbound player? I've not read the thread for fear of spoilers...

>> No.4686606

>>4686592
Play Mother 1 first.

>> No.4686778

>>4686592
>>4686606
you dont really need to do that.
you can play each game how you want. but if youre playing M3 then you defiantly need to play 2 first.

>> No.4686791

>>4686592
make sure you play the sanctuaries in order.
also buy armor and new weapons whenever you can. youll get fucked if you dont do that.

>> No.4686807

Juanas suck more than GrizzlyBears.
Grinding to Level 99 with a team of Ninten-Ana-Teddy.

>> No.4686839

>>4668212
There's Radiation's Halloween Hack if you wanna go down a dark path.

>> No.4686846

>>4686592
The game's a drag until you get Paula, hang in there until then

>> No.4686871

>>4686778
For the same reason you need to play M2 before 3, you need to play 1 before 2.
Each game can be played independently, but you will miss some important details (mostly the antagonists' backstory) if you miss an entry.

>> No.4686883

>>4686871
will you? i got a pretty good understanding of 2 without playing 1 and then played it after. it was kind of like a prequel for me.

>> No.4686886

>>4686883
you aren't given any information about Giygas on Earthbound, other than he's some evil space invader.

>> No.4686892

>>4686886
fair enough. although i dont think giygas is the main spotlight in 2. i think that goes to pokey.

>> No.4686915

>>4686892
Porky isn't really all that important to M3's plot either. You aren't really given any information about who Porky really is on the game. The cinema with Earthbound pictures is a very direct throwback, but it isn't really telling you anything either, it's just something for fans of the previous games to react to.

>> No.4686937

>>4686915
well i wasnt talking about 3. hes obviously the main focus in 2, sure you have giygas's name pop up every now and again, but pokey is the one whos really pulling the strings and trying to get you.
but yeah, hes not really that involved in 3. his name pops up but he never really cares about you specifically. they tried to replace him with claus but it doesnt work as well as how they did it with pokey in 2 because claus was literally reprogrammed right of the bat. no transition or development like we got with pokey in 2.

>> No.4687005

>>4686937
but reddit told me 3 was perfect in every way and the only mother game worth playing reeeeeeeeee

>> No.4687146

>>4686839
>halloween hack
fuck off toby

>> No.4687176

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vihaxNoSJ0

No crying until the end.

>> No.4687350

>>4687176
wasnt this already posted?

>> No.4687587

>>4687176
why cant we get good ads like this anymore.

>> No.4687606

>>4686937
Like Gyigas, Porky is just the main villain but you aren't told why he's turned like that. You have to play M2 to find out.
>>4687005
It doesn't mean the plot is flawed. Porky works as a plot device, but as the other anon said, the main antagonist, and the one you do know the story of, is Masked Man.

>> No.4687640

>>4687606
but the story of the masked man is a bit underwhelming imho
he just goes from normal kid to reprogrammed robot. where with pokey, you see his transition and see him every step of the way, from kid who gets beaten to snobby rich kid to right hand man of giygas.

>> No.4687826

>>4687176

My God that engrish! And I bet the kids were Norwegian too.

>> No.4688141
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Why does Earthbound have the most autistic fanbase of any game/series?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1qr4MfKJHs

>> No.4688279

>>4688141
EB is pretty tame compared to the shit most fans mainstream games have

>> No.4688414

>>4688279
This. EB isn't nearly as autistic as UT or FNAF

>> No.4689009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiUmTUSbq0w

>> No.4689079

>>4675238
I don't think it would have been as emotionally gripping as Claus, though.
It'd come off as more of an easter egg type thing.

>oh hey we used the protag of the last game as the final boss of this game!
doesn't sound as good as
>oh hey you've been looking for your brother except he's my mindless drone slave that kills anything i command him to and you have to defeat him in battle!

>> No.4689374

>>4689079
that would be true, if you actually seen claus developed.
we hardly even see claus before the transformation, hes never developed. theres no reason to care about him besides "ITS UR BROTHER XD" and thats just lazy. compare that with someone like giegue who had a similar transformation, you are told of what he was like, how he made his mother so happy and how his father betrayed him, hes developed. that makes what happened to him in 2 hit all the more hard. but with claus, youre just told hes "energetic" and he shows up for one chapter, and then leaves, then the next time you see him hes the masked man, no development seen. claus would have hit hard, if he was a developed character.

>> No.4689375

>>4689374
>>4689079
at least with ness, you would have seen him before, you would have known what he was like before he was transformed. youd have a reason to care about him.

>> No.4689870

>>4688279
I think Doom has some pretty ridiculous fans, dozens of paragraphs of shitfits because someone made a joke mod that lasts 90 seconds where the map looks like a dick. Meanwhile a mod that makes all the demons have boobs is praised. Most hardcore mother fans are only onboxious at worst.

>> No.4690202

>>4689870
>people are suddenly mad at dickjokes
sad world we live in.

>> No.4690383

>>4689009
wasnt this sampled from a beegees song?
either way, creepy as fuck.

>> No.4690391

>>4690383
The Beach Boys - Deirdre
You'll know the sample once it strikes you in the first 5 seconds of it playing.
That track happens to be my favorite one from the EarthBound Soundtrack.

>> No.4690652

>>4690391
Thats Neal. My favorite track has to either be otherworldly foe or kraken of the sea.

>> No.4691180

>>4690652
>neal

>> No.4691518

>>4688141
Hey at least EB fans never put needles in cookies and gave them out to artists they thought were "problematic"

>> No.4691538

Everyone knows this is the best earthbound song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXY9YQx2m1E

>> No.4691859

>>4691538
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02_S0Jre3Q

>> No.4692194

>>4691859
wasnt a part of that sampled from the Beatles?

>> No.4692589

>>4692194
youre thinking of megaton walk

>> No.4692624

>>4691518
Yikes. When /where /who was that?

>> No.4692628

>>4692624
i believe that was the undertale guys. at some convention.

>> No.4692757

>>4692628
UT really has quite the reputation.

>> No.4693286

>>4692624
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/Zbuyy

>> No.4693972

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymmGc9XiUdI

>> No.4693981

what was your favorite moment of EB? did anything unique to you happen?

>> No.4694026

>>4693981
When Andronuts gave Ness that special beverage
First time a videogame made me really amazed

>> No.4694084

>>4693981
the "youve come far, ness" part got to me.

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>>4693981
When Teddy sang the Eight Melodies with Ninten and Ana, and prevented Giygas from attacking the past.

>> No.4694094

>>4694090
teddy didnt sing, he just told giygas to fuck off

>> No.4694162

>>4694090
Is this possible without hacking?

>> No.4694178

>>4694162
no

>> No.4694202

>>4694162
>>4694178
Yes it is, you just have to perform a glitch.
http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Teddy#Keeping_Teddy_in_the_Party

>> No.4694487

>>4694202
You can heal in the house, but don't approach the door to the left.

>> No.4694701

>>4694487
thats neat. but i guess thats not cannon.

>> No.4694775
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>> No.4694832

>>4693981
the first time ness got homesick made me feel for the kid.

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>> No.4695791

>>4694026
I thought that was the mr saturns

>> No.4696149
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Stop singing

>> No.4696283

>>4655818
So i just started playing this game for the first time 2 weeks ago and its quickly become one of my favorite games ever. It just oozes charm and just goes out of its way to keep the player guessing. I can't wait to play Mother 3.

>what was your favorite part or NPC?
FUCKING DUNGEON MAN!
Man, I thought Brick Road's throw away dialogue about becoming a dungeon was just a joke, but then he is, you go inside him and then he fights with you. 10/10

>> No.4696406

>>4696283
Did you read all his signs? They were hilarious.

>> No.4696412

>>4688141
The Sonic fanbase is the most toxic one and you damn well know it.

>> No.4696438

>>4696412
The sonic fan base never tried to get a 16 year old girl killed over fanart.

>> No.4696580

>>4696438
That was SU right?

>> No.4696603

I bought EB for the n3ds but the sound is very dim. I think I'll end up injecting a rom with the run button patch or playing on the emulator.

>> No.4696658

Starmen are fucking cool

>> No.4696660

>>4696658
Especially the LastStarmen, and the Ghost of Starmen, and the Final Starmen.

>> No.4696664

>>4696660
I like the japanese name for Ghost of Starman better, "Ancestor of Starman"

>> No.4696934

>>4696658
This. Easily one of the most intimidating enemies in vidya.

>> No.4697081

>>4696664
That actually makes a bit more sense considering the context of where/when they are.

>> No.4697497

>>4696406
>You are inside my body

>> No.4697885

>>4697497
>the yellow color is purely coincidental

>> No.4698278

>>4697497
>>4697885
>i put up a sign, but i forgot why

>> No.4698581

>>4696603
You should probobly just go with emulation. I've had no problems with it so far.

>> No.4699204

>>4698581
Whats a good emulator?

>> No.4699241

>>4699204
Snes9x or ZSNES.
You are much better off with Snes9x, but I've unfortunately been using ZSNES for over 5 years now.

>> No.4699243

>>4699204
higan is the most accurate

>> No.4699258
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today i will remind them...

NEVER EVER

>> No.4699268
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>>4699204
Get Higan. The BEST SNES emulator.

>> No.4699941
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>>4699258
3 was the worst in the series

>> No.4700085

>>4675587
Yeah that guy. In the waterfall I think. Where do I go next?

>> No.4700086

>>4700085
You go back to Saturn valley, get the coffee and the hot spring, and then you go back to threed.

>> No.4700091

>>4700086
The tunnel to foursome is also open

>> No.4700092

>>4700086
Alright thanks. How much longer is the game?

>> No.4700096

>>4699941
3's not a bad game but fucking hell is it annoying how you gotta wait like 5 hours to play as the protag. I get it's for story purposes but it hurts replays

>> No.4700098

>>4700092
Quite a bit.

>> No.4700104

>>4700098
Does Mother 3 have any callbacks that reference Mother 1?

>> No.4700129

>>4700104
The magypsies' houses are like the seashell houses in Mother 1's Magicant.
There are also some enemies that come back from Mother 1 that weren't in 2, like the Titany.
At the end of the game there's also some Mother 1 music.

>> No.4700132

>>4700129
So you're saying I should probably play 1 before 3 then?

>> No.4700139

>>4700132
Well, I'd say the best way to play the series is in order, simply because they're just 3 games, and they aren't too long.
You should play 1 before 2 because it explains more about the antagonist, and you should play 2 before 3 for the same reason.
The games aren't connected directly, there's different protagonists and characters in each game, but the antagonists are connected.
Plus, Mother 3 has a lot of throwbacks to both previous entries, not mandatory to get the story, but it's nice to get the references.

>> No.4700143

>>4700139
Oh I've already started 2 as the first game but should I play 1 before 3 or just jump into 3 at this point?

>> No.4700149

>>4700143
You should play Mother 1 because it's a nice game, just have in mind is an older NES RPG with random encounters and such.

>> No.4700197

>>4700132
Yes. 3 relies way too heavily on the last two games, so much so that you might not understand what's going on

>> No.4700202

>>4700197
If you didn't play the last two though.
2 however is fine if you don't play 1, but it makes the game better if you do.

>> No.4700402

>>4700149
Also graphics aren't it's strongsuit

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>>4700402
While it's not a spectacle, it's certainly not bad for 8-bit standards.

>> No.4700508

>>4680050
I bought the Mother 1+2 and Mother 3 cartridge somewhere in 2007.
But that's all, still kinda upsets me that Earthbound didn't get it's SNES release here in Europe back in the day.

>> No.4700516

>>4700096
Also the story isn't the greatest. Nor is it terrible well written. Plenty of things unexplained and crucial plot points delivered through text dumps.

>> No.4700649

>>4700516
Plus there are certain major characters that we are given no reason to care about with little development

>> No.4701357

>>4700415
certainly

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>>4699941

>> No.4701765

>>4700096
fucking this.
i dont want to play as a cowboy LARPer, i want the protagonist.

>> No.4701958

>>4658453
Ana and Ninten is Ness's and Paula's parents. But Ness and Paula is also Ninten's and Ana's parents.

>> No.4701974
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hows everyone enjoying the art dump so far? plenty more to come.

>> No.4701975

>>4701958
>im my own grandpa

>> No.4701976

>>4701958
and kumatora is ness and paulas kid as >>4676417 stated.
that way every game has at least 1 protag that is related to a previous one

>> No.4702060
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ill be back tomorrow with more EB art

>> No.4702326

>>4701958
How?

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>> No.4702929

>>4695791
Oh yeah, I wrote it wrong

>> No.4702941

>>4696149
Hello, Vargiygas.

>> No.4703446

Just finished EB for the first time. It felt like a chore in some parts and not really memorable.

Did I miss something or is this one of those "Just not for me" type deals?

>> No.4703453

>>4703446
It is a chore at times, like many RPGs. But, it's a kind of short game, so the chored aren't too prolongued, so in terms of RPGs, it's not really that bad in that regard.
As for memorable parts, I think the game is full of it. You didn't enjoy any moment or element of the game?

>> No.4703462

>>4703453
Not really, between the weird and small inventory management and equipped items taking up slots, 4 different heals each with their own thing which I easily forgot which one did what for what ailment, hit or miss gadgets from Jeff and stupidly rare drops for the good items.

And fuck that homesick stuff and.. yeah nah was not worth the 10 dollars.

>> No.4703494

>>4703446
If it feels like a chore then you're probobly just bad at inventory management.

>> No.4703497

>>4703462
>weird
What's weird about the inventory? It's a pretty basic DQ-style inventory. I actually like how fast it goes and the sound cues when you move the cursor.
>small inventory
While I do wish equipped items didn't take a slot, I think managing your inventory is part of the game. You can't hoard too much shit because you will need slots for key items and a few assist ones, maybe some life noodles.
The game has a lot of useless junk you can collect, like the ruler or the socket. Remember, Earthbound is a parody game, not only in the text, but also in terms of game design. Dragon Quest also makes you manage your inventory carefully.
But what about different aspects of the game like the music or the dialogues, you didn't find anything memorable?

>> No.4703519

>>4703497
Not him but the whole "key items dont have their own space" is beyond stupid and honestly my biggest problem with the game, because shit like this happens

>head into dumb monkey cave
>trade away random junk
>get to the end
>LOL PENCIL STATUE
>you stored away the statue earlier to make more room for dumb stuff

You never know if you need a certain key item again or not until you get roadblocked by it. Also the fact that there's no separate inventory for key items means i have to start every playthrough by farming a shitload of cookies so that i don't get the sound stone

>> No.4703520
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im back with more art! (though i should really get a folder)
hows everyone liking the art dump?

>> No.4703525

>>4703519
a lot of these problems can be just solved by proper management skills. just dont bother with the cookies and other low level things and eat them straight away, one character should always be holding the key items that you need and always get rid of what you dont need when you come to a telephone.

>> No.4703530

>>4703519
Yeah I can understand how it's a hassle, but far from a game-ruining experience I think. Just the fact the game doesn't have random encounters makes it a lot more friendlier than a lot of other older RPGs.

>> No.4703536

>>4703462
>And fuck that homesick stuff and
dude, thats like the easiest problem in the game to solve. one it pops up once and you are aware of it, its piss easy to remedy. just go talk to your mom every time you go to town or find a phone, which you should already be doing with your dad since you have to call him to save the game, so there isnt really a reason why you cant call your mom too and prevent that from happening.

>> No.4703538

>>4703530
I'm not saying it's game ruining but it's still pretty annoying.

>>4703536
I recall calling home right before heading into the Mole Cave, and then Ness got homesick in the middle of the Mole Cave. Pretty sure you can't prevent it happening

>> No.4703541

>>4703538
>Pretty sure you can't prevent it happening
how long were you there? if you called right before you went in then you must have been in there a long fucking time.

>> No.4703545

>>4703541
It happened only like 10 or so minutes after calling home and heading into the cave

>> No.4703552

>>4703545
im calling bullshit. normally youd have to wait upwards of 30 minutes for it to happen again.

>> No.4703562

>>4703552
what i'm trying to say is calling before Ness has the whole "homesickness wasted turns" deal going on won't prevent it, and that you have to wait for it to happen before you can get rid of it

>> No.4703565

Does homesick even happens that often?
I think I only got it once per playthrough. Sometimes I didn't even notice until I called mom.

>> No.4703568

>>4703562
but it does. every time i called in all of my play throughs it prevented it, and the only time it didnt was when i forgot to call.
i think you were just in that cave for longer than youd think. did you level up ness by a few levels while you were in there?

>> No.4703572

>>4703565
thats what happened for me. the only time when i got it was when i forgot to call.

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>> No.4704719

>>4699241
I'm not sure if it's a general bug, but when I tried skipping the sound stone glitch/exploit/whatever the game would freeze when trying to shop at the pharmacy in ZSNES 1.51

>> No.4704936

>>4704719
Stop using ZSNES.

>> No.4705408

>>4704016
Paula a qt

>> No.4705627

>>4704719
>zsnes
>le me playing Mario RPG on Zsnes
>equip a weapon
>the game freezes

>> No.4705651

>>4705627
>using "le me" unironically
you deserve it

>> No.4705814

this series is pretty bland story wise. i suggest everyone here to try chrono trigger or FF.

>> No.4705920

i want to fuck ness's boi pussy and watch him squirm

>> No.4706269
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>> No.4706570

>>4705651
t. newfag

>> No.4706980

>>4706570
t.reddit

>> No.4707658

>>4706269
Fuck that guy.

>> No.4708091
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>>4655818
>mfw I've grinded so much in Fire Spring that I got to lvl 99 there
>mfw actually got Gaia Beam for Jeff, Sword of the kings for Poo, Goddess Ribbon and Magic frypan for Paula and Gutsy bat for Ness
>mfw Giygas was a walk in the park for most of the battle

>> No.4708390

anyone got a torrent or pdf of that legends of localization book about mother 2? I'd but it but i'm a poorfag

>> No.4708392

>>4708390
i want aware such a book exists.

>> No.4708395

>>4708392
Legends of localization 2. It seems pretty cool but it's like 40 bucks and I'm unemployed, otherwise I'd be talking about new games.

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>>4677252
Duster deserved to be in the team

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>> No.4708982

>>4708395
What's it all about? Just the changes in the localization?

>> No.4709524

>>4708091
why would you do that?

>> No.4709547

just played for the first time and finished the game. beat gygas in the second attempt because in the first one i fucked up by using the second shield instead of the first one. Absolutely amazing game, it has so much personality although I'll admit I haven't played too much RPGs.

Favorite emeny definitely was the abstract art and the dali clocks, so unexpected.

>> No.4709564

>>4708982
I think it's localization related stories

>> No.4709908

>>4709564
neat. what kind of stories?

>> No.4709942

>>4686592
Teddy Bears are OP. Each has 100 HP have a 2/3s chance to intercept single target or splash attacks, and are immune to status effects. Get them instead of food. Every dungeon has a room or spot that will spawn a magic butterfly. Butterflies always recover... I think, 20PP. If you see one in a dungeon, you can get it to re-spawn by either entering/exiting the room, or moving the screen far enough away. They are typically positioned about half way to three-quarters through. This will let you get through dungeons far more easily and confidently.
Also, make sure you call your mom as soon as possible, and to manage your inventory by sending stuff to be stored. Inventory management is part of the game.

>> No.4710050

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JSvew-vnNw

>> No.4710070

>>4667819
the trees are mario pipes

>> No.4710364

>>4710070
wait, what? are they recolored with leaves on top or are they just ripped right from mario?

>> No.4710375

>>4686592

Always keep Franklin Badge, it will be useful.

>> No.4710438

>>4710375
Can you store it away in escargo express? I forgot

>> No.4710442

>>4710438
Anything you have in the inventory can be stored with escargo.

>> No.4710463

>>4710442
Unless it's the Sound Stone/ATM Card/Receiver Phone

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>>4704016

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do you guys want me to make another thread once this one dies? i still have some more art and this game is fun to discuss.

>> No.4711126

>>4710601
Sounds good

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