/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[03-16] GMOTA v1.0 Released
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/gmota

[03-15] La Tailor Girl Updated To 1.50
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1044648#p1044648

[03-15] Doom II Nightmare In 21:14
https://youtu.be/9seMu5mSYWw

[03-14] 18 Min Long Video About Guncaster
https://youtu.be/u8k8qSWtRZU

[03-13] Anon map release: AmongDreams.wad (3 maps)
https://mega.nz/#!d14UULyI!eVLeoLWovP0jBUU_01FMgE9usl4sXWGrdhVZLZYC4nQ

[03-14] All Of Sverre Kvernmo's Cabal Maps In One Wad
https://mega.nz/#!xxdVgKQD!_kJw_HapbRvZwMkOk5jCN0t8QnppY6GWsPhEK_PwR24

[03-13] GZDoom 3.3.0 To Gather User's Hardware Information
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=59787

[03-12] Anon map update: Sacred Ground
https://mega.nz/#!3CRznaSY!hjJXHv-PlQgKr3LBV7LQBYG_5DL6WLUnyelD1SIOa8k

[03-10] English game files of id Software's Doom RPG series from mobile available, emulator required
https://doomrpg.weebly.com/

[03-08] Ken Silverman released the BUILD2 engine
https://youtu.be/3qtmkkdND6M
http://advsys.net/ken/buildsrc/build2.htm

[03-08] Fall of Triton released; a megawad in the style of Doom's PlayStation port
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/99788-psx-doom-fall-of-triton-out-now/

[03-06] Anon map release: Loads Of Time (WIP)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/26yq48n9r50hobn/loads%20of%20time.wad?dl=1

[03-05] More about early builds of DNF
https://www.dsogaming.com/articles/the-2001-unreal-engine-version-of-duke-nukem-forever-was-90-complete-had-rpg-and-horror-elements/

[03-04] Anon speedmaps a deathmatch level
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qy7dwdnp4nwlofz/SpeedOfDeath.wad

[03-04] Ex-3D Realms staff have early builds of both DNF and DN3D, but Randy Pitchford is practically blocking their releases
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/have-any-of-the-builds-of-duke-nukem-forever-ever-leaked.120567/
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4618653/#4622548

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>>4649604
I kinda like this exoskeleton design

>lots of furry reaction images around the time Guncaster is released

Suspicious...

>>4649614
Fuck. Off.

I'M GONNA MAKE A MAP

>>4649620
Good luck!

>>4649620
MAKE THAT MAP
WHAT ARE YA GONNA MAKE ANON?

>>4649623
A MAP, I JUST TOLD YOU
FUCK

>>4649625
WHAT KINDA MAP?
WE MUST KNOW

Whether it's Doom or Quake there's no better weapon than the shotgun family

>>4649614
furfags must be purged t b h

I'M GONNA MAKE A CRAP

Has anyone ever made a Doom Delta equivalent for Quake?

>>4649630
I THINK IT'LL START IN A CRYPT AND END AT A CHURCH. MAYBE I'LL TRY MAKING SOME CUSTOM TEXTURES. EXPECT MAP HACKS. MAYBE.
THIS IS DIFFICULT AND I LACK MOTIVATION BUT I HAVE SNACKS AND IDEAS.

>>4649635
I've been watching other people play Q1 lately though Youtube and demos and by Shub it's painful watching people ignore the single shotgun. It's even worse when they're playing with Arcane Dimensions and they've got the Widowmaker so they're just blasting away three shells at a time at something twenty feet away instead of just switching to the single shotgun.

>>4649641
I think the idea sounds cool. Good luck anon.

>>4649641
Single shotgun is a fucking sniper in Quake. It's fantastic. But ever since Doom 2's Super Shotgun with its delicious chunky reload I've never been one to ignore the super in it or Quake

>>4649641
ACTUALLY WAIT A CRYPT IS ALREADY PART OF A CHURCH. What do you call those hut-looking things in cemeteries?

>>4649639
>Doom Delta is a mod for ZDoom and GZDoom that aims to bring many elements from the pre-release iterations of Doom, including Doom 0.3-0.5, the press release beta, the rare VHS footage, and the Doom Bible. Elements such as the helmet HUD from early alphas, enemy designs, separate classes, and unique weapons return.
Probably not really, given Quake's development was all over the goddamn place. Going back to the earliest concepts would mean turning the entire game into an adventure-RPG starring a guy with a big hammer, between those and the pre-release stuff it was more or less just artists making art and mappers making assets without exactly knowing what it was all gonna be used for, and then they threw in some guns and ammo and it was already pretty close to release Quake.

The earlier builds do have some changed stuff, but it's largely just different or worse, i.e. the nailgun looking more like an SMG instead of the dual-barreled dingus in the final game, or Ranger's voice clips not being pitched down like the final game (plus a bunch of unused pain sounds) so they still sound a lot more like Reznor. Some other things already came back in various mods, like the dragon in Dissolution of Eternity. No pissing Ogres though, so far as I know.

>>4649657
Mausoleum?

>>4649684
Yeah, that's the word. Thank you.

There's any mods that changes the normal enemies for the wolfenstein enemies? i want to fight mecha hitler in the doom maps

>>4649686
there was a grave map in 300minvr that had a bunch of them, was good

>>4649690
where's commander keen?

>>4649697
hanged behind the door

>>4649690
WW-nazis?

Here's the first edition of my plaincolour texture .wad. Features red, green, black, blue, white, yellow and purple textures and flats. Useful for making speedmaps IMO. Might expand it with switches and additional colours.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/wjigyp7tzs8l271/PlainColour.wad

>>4649690
Bratwurst

Where does the sound GMOTA's Doomslayer does come from, when he goes berserk?

>>4649697
He was grounded for looking at pictures of anime characters holding hands

>>4649758
Reminds me of the Dawn of War intro movie

So I made some sectors colored using UDMF's color effect. When played in software mode, it looks like the above picture (pretty cool). When played in OpenGL mode, it looks like the below (terrible). Can someone help me with this? Like an OpenGL setting that needs to be changed, or a different method of colored lighting that will look good in OpenGL?

>>4649758
>>4649770
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

But yes, it's from the dawn of war intro

>>4649840
Why aren't there any major Warhammer 40k doom mods?

>>4649772
I've found that the specific flat shown (FLOOR46W from cc4-tex) is the ONLY flat with this problem. Weird.

>>4649604
I like how instantly recognizable the doom 4 ssg is.

doom rpg's font, gore and HUD ammo icons

>>4649874
This is great. Thank you

Gotta say, GMOTA was worth the wait.

>>4649848
Because GW would C&D that shit so fast your head will spin.

UNFing walls makes me angry

>>4649903
you could just make it all look similar, and give everything similar-sounding names
genius

>>4649917
the tyranids are now called thy'rha'nhydds

>download that gmota mod
>file cancels less than halfway through
???

>>4649906
UNFing walls makes me horny

>>4649928
Itch.io might have been weird, you try downloading it again?

>>4649928
>>4649954
yeah okay no i can't download this at all. this hosting is garbo on my end

ill try again in a while i guess but im not too thrilled about it. sucks, everyone seems super hype about it

Holy shit GMOTA released!?

Gonna masturbate to this glorious event. Worth it.

>GMOTA doesn't run with ketchup

>>4650008
Why do you need it? GMOTA has custom gore

>>4649620
it'll suck

>>4650019
Shouldn't you be driving away contentfags on /vg/? You already were successful here a few threads ago.

>>4649960
If it's just itch and not your internet, I mirrored it for you here
https://mega.nz/#!0t0x0SSa!_yKM0qNibff0M9_dXQjimyhw8fZuUr7v2SpVIDXcjjs

>>4650019
Probably, but at least I'll be able to say I made a map!

>>4650031
I believe in you, anon.

>>4650028
thanks for this! although i finally got the damn file to complete itself for me somehow. and it only took 17 attempts

weird how it would freeze in place for half a minute before moving on every once in a while though. defs some of the longest/most excruciating 29 megs i ever snatched off a site

>>4649614
he says while posting an animal-themed superhero
It's gotta be one guy

>>4649604
ay yo are there any good city maps for Doom? As in Build Engine style city maps, not later half of Doom 2 style. Just got done playing the Ion Maiden preview and it made me realize city maps are something I've been craving. Everything Doom mapping seems to either be a techbase, hell or something abstract.

>>4650054
no one said anything when that one person was avataring with that blonde anime girl

>>4649614
Pillowblaster tricked a bunch of people into playing Doom as his fursona.

Man, /v/ getting frozen thanks to that one robot typing kill in the console IRL really fucked up this thread for awhile.

>>4650062
I heard it was actually a school shooting threat that caused it?

>>4650063
that would be a coincidence if robot and a school shooting threat happened at the same time

>>4650058
I'm glad that still gives you grief after all this time~

>>4650068
>look guise! i'm so clever!

>>4650063

You heard absolutely wrong, if that's the case.

>>4650069
I don't know what you or he might be on about but i find it funny how touchy you are right now

>>4650069

>>4650086
I was making a point and he was bothered by it. His loss, not mine.

>>4650091
I understand now!

>Consolation Prize Doom64 Retribution
>Disabling level fade-out
>Still freeze in place when exiting level

Super Immolator is good

>>4650097
>>4650092
>>4650091
>>4650069
>>4650068
>>4650058
you two niggers get a room and stop being so fucking tsundere to each other

or stop shitting up the thread with the revelation that anime is liked on an anime image board

GMOTA is fun but what map packs even make it challenging? I've thrown slaughter maps at it and it's still not very challenging.

Forgot a few.

Forgot a few.
>>4650105
>>4650091
>>4650068
>>4650061
>>4650054

I would fuck cygnis no problem

>>4650110
>>4650113
Your backseat moderating is worse than any shitposter t b h
How do you honestly think it contributes to any thread

>>4650108
Try increasing the difficulty level?

I would fuck hae-lin no problem

>>4650127
>>4650134
both of them would probably fuck each other no problem

>>4650136
Who tops?

>>4650134
are you sure about that?

>>4650139
that is a bad artist, but still yes

>>4650141
Can you go into detail why that's bad? I'm no d/ic/k but I don't see any glaring flaws.

>>4650150
the short of the matter is that the face proportions are completely off, too circular and too large compared to the rest of the body, the teeth are animal teeth rather than human (but still sharp) teeth, etc

crosspost from the build engine thread:

Just beat Episode 5 of DN3D for the first time. The new enemy sucked, and the flamethrower is maybe OP with how much ammo it has and how it can kill chaingunners in one shot. There's cool ideas and the levels do look really good and detailed, but all of the boss and mini-boss enemies everywhere reminded me what I didn't like about Duke 3D: so many enemies feel like bulletsponges, and fighting them just gets tedious unless you stuff them in one shot with explosives. Fighting a mob of enemies just ends up being shooting a bunch of RPGs or Devastator rockets into the crowd while jumping in figure 8s.

What did you guys think?

>>4650154
>the short of the matter is that the face proportions are completely off, too circular and too large compared to the rest of the body
it's a fucking anime character.
>the teeth are animal teeth rather than human (but still sharp) teeth, etc
term actually made that canon because lol daemon sword powers

>>4650127
he would fuck you up no problem

>>4650174

>>4650174
nothing inherently lewd yet hot as fuck

>>4650170
>it's a fucking anime character.
it's a fucking anime character with a drawing that looks like a western cartoon character
it doesn't fit
>term actually made that canon
her teeth are not animal teeth, they're just sharp teeth

>>4650174
what would pillowblaster have to say about this?

>>4650174
oh shoot is that the sorlag drawfag

>>4650139
>he doesn't like piranha teeth girls

>>4650174
to me this design makes way more sense. just buff him the fuck up and hand him a cigar. keep it simple. what's the point in designing your character with tattoos all over his upper bodyframe if you're going to have them covered with a shitty hot topic leather jacket anyways?

>>4650198
cygnis licking his own feet when?

Wow, I found GMOTA art from the future!

>>4650198
Dunno if it's the same person, but almondsandmilk did that Cyg.

>>4650212
is that almonds and milk or almond sand milk?

>>4650217
no

>>4650227
that's kinda short

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynTdCrSzbeU

This mod.

>>4649737
I'm getting flashbacks to The Sky May Be

>>4650031
I will play your map Anon.

Go 2 it

>>4650243
how big is that explosion radius

>>4650056
Hell on Earth Starter Pack has a bunch of Duke 3D style city maps in the middle episode.

>>4650239
>that BFG
>mfw

>>4649848
There are lots, spanning back to the 90s, but they rarely get finished or are any good. Needs a lot of really high quality sprite work to pull off successfully.

>>4649604
Repostan from previous thread:

more bloodborne doom stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GShnl7S5Bno

This is my John Romero collection:

1. Phobos Mission Control
2. Tech Gone Bad
3. Industrial Zone
4. Circle of Death
5. Tenements
6. Abandoned Mines
7. Gotcha (secret level)
8. Perfect Hatred
9. Against Thee Wickedly
10. The Living End

This man was a fucking genius. Noone else can do as great maps as him.

>I don't like the map I'm making
Could it still be good?

>>4650278
It should be a "badum-tish, wah-wah-waaaah"
I like the understatedness of the rocket launcher most.

>>4650349
have you worked on it for long?
if yes, you are obviously going to hate it
but if the idea was good at first, keep going
if not, scrapping is an option

>>4649848
There was a Quake 40k mod with functional marine vs marine multiplayer. It was very faithful to early 90s 40k, it even had a functioning "locked in close combat" system if two players ran into each other.

I think the group making it was called Team Pheonix.

I'm trying to play the mobile Doom games and how do i "run" freej2me_2017-10-12\freej2me\build\freej2me.jar?
Like, do i have to type it in somewhere?

>>4650396
Does anyone have an webm demonstrating how it's done too?

>>4650396
Do you have Java installed? If you do, just double-click it and choose the game you want to play.

>>4650349
Well yeah, if you stick at it long enough eventually its going to turn out pretty great if your standards are high enough. Being introspective is a very important skill for mapping.

HUG YOUR MOM

>>4650429
Thanks to Mancubi I know to hug my mom

>Hideous Destructor - Doom Mod Madness
oh, cool.
>Not sure how to deal with imp fireballs, best thing he tried was bandaging himself while on fire
lol
At least he didn't use cheats, though.

>>4650453
Man, the comments section.. half are calling Hideous Destructor shit, bad design, anti-Doom and the ARMA/Dark souls of Doom mods, while others are praising it and saying they like it (while also telling ICARUS to RTFM).

>>4650464
I love it because liking HD or not clearly defines who's smart and who's a brutal doom-tier retard who has ADHD and zero patience.

>>4650502
cease doing

>>4650502
I once made a very crude "Pet the Caco" wad. Some other anon made a nice garden and music and hearts emerging. It was really nice.

>>4649641
>>4649650
Quake SSG is primetime for quad damage. Even regular shotgun on quad is satisfying and will chew zombies, quite useful at range that combo is. But I like plugging away with regular shotgun at death knights long range, the time is kinda worth it to see them suffer and the ammo is cheap.

I'm sure nailguns are more efficient on quad than the SSG but shells are cheap ammo you often have max of and quad SSG will spot-remover any non boss monster with little worries (what is it like 216dmg per blast? And they're at least 1/sec and will practically stunlock shamblers).

>>4650514

PHOBOS.wad's midtextures are crazy.

>>4650623
Damn, that's neat. Can you climb it or is it just a decoration?

>>4650134
I'd molest her on a crowded train.

>>4650647
Yeah, you can climb it! To enter the vent above you have to shoot and break it to enter, it even changes into a "broken" texture.

>>4650647
Here's a couple more screenshots taken from chocodoom.

>>4650668
Link to .wad?

>>4650546
Soulsphere x2 combo!

anybody else kinda dissapointed with GMOTA?

I beat brotherhood of ruin on V0.9.9B and had some fun even though it was quite unbalanced.
but that hasn't changed at all, the subweapons go from kinda good to incredibly overpowered (compare the boomerang "elemental technique" m2 to this >>4650243 ) and I don't know if it's just me or did the subweapon stacking get removed entirely?
the fists seem much better than zarach (the sword) since they stun and give you a bunch of buffs, and the sword itself feels lame even with all the kinda boring upgrades you get for it, the best one being the throw for me but even that one feels like it should be built in
blazter is just a relegated stun which feels like a hassle switching to unless you really need to stun a crowd, until you upgrade it or get a good subshot

Also there's this neat gimmick in each map where the level starts mostly empty, but is populated by monsters walking through a "pachinko machine" and teleporting to random places all over the level. So each playthrough of the maps is different each time.

>>4650674
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/p-r/phobos2
Just a warning the gameplay itself isn't that great, has neat ideas though.

>>4650689
Unfortunately I think this is as good as I can do with Blaz in the Doom engine. While I plan on nerfing a few things here and there, I just don't think Blaz's gameplay gels particularly good with random mapsets and doom style gameplay. Blaz's fists have been in a really awkward spot ever since I did the big overhaul, without the buffs it's a straight downgrade from the sword.

I was also thinking about making the sword throw a default feature but I don't think people would know about the throw from a fresh start if they never played before.
Yes I got rid of the POW system because it was awkward and shit, and ultimately the Blazter is now mainly used as a clutch weapon, it's not Blaz's primary focus and it never was supposed to be a big focus, you don't need to use the Blazter most of the time, and especially if you're familiar with all of the sword's mechanics.

You still have the Doomslayer and there's other characters I got planned in the future.

>>4650253
Big. I originally had the rocket sword enforce a longer cooldown after using it, and I forgot to reduce the radius afterwards.
Should probably shrink that a little.

Is it Saturday yet?

>>4650207
>those hips
Mitternächtlich

>>4650453
>>4650464
>>4650478
I mean, Icarus is a huge Brutal Doom fan. Also HD kinda IS Arma of Doom mods - both are tactical shooters.

BONUS IRONY: Brutal Doom and Hideos Destructor have similar design principles, create a completely new gameplay experience that plays more like modern shooter than Doom, while using original engine, maps and assets. It's just Brutal emulates Call of Duty, while Hideos emulates Operation Flashpoint.

Also, doesn't Hideous come bundled with a manual that explains most complexities of the game? Because I'm not sure if MI read it...

>>4650759
YES IT IS MOTHERFUCKER.
YOU KNOW THE DEAL PEOPLE, SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, A SCREENSHOT, A WEBM, A CODE SNIPPET. GAMEPLAY MOD? MAP? TC? I DON'T DISCRIMINATE, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING

>>4650765
It does come with a manual.

But to be fair, I think his criticism of it being hard to get into still stand.

You have to read through a big manual and understand several new and not always intuitive systems in order to survive your first encounter. HD doesn't even work with most mapsets - you need to read the manual to get a list of recommended maps.

>>4650746
In other words Blaz needs maps?

>>4650746
it's him!
>it's not Blaz's primary focus and it never was supposed to be a big focus
when I first heard about GMOTA a dude described it as a more focused approach to a weapon mod with zarach and blazter being both mostly equally useful for different situations and it felt like that in 0.9.9B
I am trying out doomslayer and I love him being a twist on doom4guy, although he's kinda diminished by other mods doing similar things with the doom 4 mechanics in doom, there's not much you can do about that and he's still his own flavour of doomguy imo
waiting eagerly for that kobold character

sorry if I sound too cynical, I am enjoying the update a lot and the mod is better than ever with all the lovely monsters, polish and the beautiful new UI

Trying to get back into doom, this time solely for modding and fresh maps as I've played DOOM and 2 to death already. What's the best .wad manager/launcher? I'm too lazy to drag .wads into the sourceport .exe
I also have the doom quickstart v2 torrent (only downloaded the maps/IWADs from it) and I want to know if Zandronum is still good for singleplayer only or if I should get gzd and hope opting out actually opts out of their meme collection

>>4650774
That or a standalone game one day.

>>4650776
Cynicism or not, you're right. There's just only so much that can be done with Blaz, and I've done the best I can to make him gel better but he's always gonna be a little lopsided in terms of balance, at least within the doom engine, and I'm fine with that, Blaz is a boss killer and is capable of doing MASSIVE bursts of damage for a short time here and there, but he still suffers at long range and in big crowds.
Also once you get the rocket launcher upgrade the Blazter serves pretty well as the long range multipurpose tool, that three round burst you can rattle off at low charges is really good.

and Samson will be added last, after I do a few more minor housekeeping updates for GMOTA I'm gonna start working on updating Combined_Arms with some new weaponsets and custom monsters.
After THAT I'm gonna come back to GMOTA and start work on Kustam, and he's gonna be a lot of fun to make

>>4650198
>>4650205
what

>>4650770

>>4650771
Yeah. I think Hideous Destructor should come with like, a tutorial map that introduces the basics of the game. Probably a tutorial 10-level episode.

Also, irony: SgtMarkIV's maps are actually good fit for HD because he likes semi-realistic city-spaces with a lot of cover. For that same reason, Brutal Doom maps (including Hell on Earth Starter Pack) can work pretty well with it.

>>4650770
Been working on context-sensitive barrel spawning, basically containers you have to destroy that hold the ammo pickup they're replacing. How it works is, each type of ammo pickup has a replacement spawner that checks if a spawner of a different type of ammo is close by, and if the weapon/s the ammo is for isn't (there's other checks like if it can actually spawn a barrel in the space or if a voodoo doll is nearby).
A lot of Doom maps tend to spread out their pickups or put the same type of ammo together, so the barrels tend to be rare or only in secrets. Pic related is an example of the *high end* of barrel amounts in a map.
Wad is Demonfear.

>>4650804
>Wad is Demonfear.
thank you for mentioning this and save me asking

>>4650746
Hey Kegan, very minor but enough to be distracting, there's this single orange pixel on Doom Slayer's hand when he fires his pistol.

>>4650824
on his hand? Where?

>>4650770
Making a thing for a 3DGE mapset due by the end of the month. Still looks kinda rough now, but I'm starting to get a feel for the map flow now, and I'm pretty confident I can pull it together within two weeks.

It helps that I'm using Boom rather than the 3DGE version of UDMF.

>>4650825
Here.

>>4650840
Fuck me I can't even see that. I'll save the image and look for it later. Thankfully the pistol attack is animated with TEXTURES so it should just be a matter of editing the sprite and replacing it.

Why is it called automap?

>>4650783
bls respond

>>4650851
Because it automatically fills in as you walk? Unless you get the map item

>>4650851
It constructs a map of the level automatically as you explore it, ESL-san.

>>4650848
Does it help if I shift the hue? Also damn the plasma pistol looks cool in any colour

>TEXTURES
Whoa you mean TEXTURES can scale things around like that? neaaat.

>>4650863
Not the anon who brought it up, but the first two exacerbate the problem for me, more so than orange on green

when will PEanon return

Am I the only one who is scared of the Cyberdemon's roar?

>>4650868
That one faggot scared him off

>>4650770
Anyone know where I can get some actually good pine tree sprites? This is my shoddy attempt at one.

>>4650880
I know. I just hope he hasn't given up completely. I've seen that happen too many times by the same person, probably on other threads and it fucking pisses me off.

>>4650863
Also are you meant to be able to cancel the Thunderbuss with itself? (requires pressing 3 with the right timing)

sv_infiniteammo doesn't work with Doom Slayer's weapons, blegh

>>4650894
Nevermind, I'm guessing it's intentional.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/809400/The_Forgotten_Sprites/

>>4650851
In the olden days, people had to draw maps for games themselves using graph paper. This applied to dungeon crawlers, and games inspired by dungeon crawlers like early FPS (including Wolfenstein 3D). Automap is called that because you no longer have to draw the map yourself, but the map is drawn automatically.

Eventually as automap became the standard in all games, and everyone forgot that people used to draw maps themselves, we stopped using term 'automap' and started calling them 'maps' again. Still, Doom is from that transitionary period.

What's the best midi device? Using fmod on zandronum and I remember there being a better alternative. Does GZD have better midi support or no?

>>4650916
>English language not supported
Funnier than the mod is trying to be

>>4650798
There's an entire youtube series called "Boot Camp" that introduces the game mechanics.

Also I wish that there were more semi-realistic city maps like HoE SP's 2nd episode. They were actually pretty great to play.

>>4649620
How is it going?

>>4650921
I always assumed it was "automap" because it was the in-universe name for a handheld computer that automatically mapped out unknown spaces as you explored them.

D4T is fucking awesome

>>4650916

It's one of those maps where you peak out from behind cover and you got fifty fireballs coming your way

>>4650916
>>4650951
What's this?

>>4650960
what is? it looks like ksutra 29 but not sure.

>>4650961
It looks like someone made the worst doom TC of all time and put it up for sale on steam.

>>4650961
Your average /vr/ modder.

More GMOTA feedback, with Blaz alt fire alerts enemies the moment you click, even if you're holding it down to prepare a sword throw. Makes me sad I can't line a crowd up while they're idle.

>>4650961
It appears that this is a new "game," or rather, another quick couple bucks snatched from idiots.
But in all seriousness, why? I really wish these lazy, awful TCs weren't allowed. This is ultimately disgraceful in my book.
Thankfully, this can get reported since the font in the HUD remains unchanged, therefore using Doom's assets and still being profited from.

>>4650965
Your average soriel shipper.

>>4650969
Not just the font, but the stone tile is also unchanged. And I heard the SSG sound in there, though that's probably not copyright.

>>4650971
What does that mean?

>>4650973
oh and of course, the elevator noise, too

>>4650940
It's common feature in fantasy dungeon crawlers, where it wouldn't make much sense, would it?

>>4651005
replace "handheld computer" with arcane magic equivalent

>>4650478
>I love it because liking HD or not clearly defines who's smart and who's a brutal doom-tier retard who has ADHD and zero patience.
Lmao. It's perfectly fine to not have a bunch of patience for Doom because that's not how the game was designed or played, it's fast-paced and unrealistic. You're free to play a mod that radically changes the gameplay, but it's retarded to get on a high horse about it.

Okay, MrIcarus video DID actually convince me to play Hideous Destructor - particularly because as someone who likes tactical shooters, its blatantly obvious from the video he must be playing it wrong (seriously, he's just standing in the open while getting shot, and then he has audacity to be SURPRISED when he gets flanked while bandaging in the middle of hostile territory, and I'm sure there is a way of extinguishing flames - spinning around while crouching to simulate stop-drop-and roll if I had to guess?).

Does anyone have any tips for me? I mean, aside from reading the quickstart, and the manual? Any tactics, suggested keybinds, extra videos, articles, stuff like that?

>>4651012
I mean, it DOES define who is a scrub. If someone says a mod they're bad at is automatically bad, that is the literal definition of a scrub.

It's alright if you dislike complex games, noone is forcing you to play them - but you have to acknowledge it's just your personal opinion.

>>4650783
I use Doom Launcher, it lets you organize wads by tags

>>4651017
You falsely believe that the only possible criticism of HD is "it's too hard"

Okay, MrIcarus video DID actually convince me to play Hideous Destructor - particularly because as someone who likes tactical shooters, its blatantly obvious from the video he must be playing it wrong (seriously, he's just standing in the open while getting shot, and then he has audacity to be SURPRISED when he gets flanked while bandaging in the middle of hostile territory, and I think I recall reading that crouching and spinning simulates stop-drop-and roll?)

Any extra tips for me aside from reading quickstart/manual? Any tactics, suggested keybinds, articles, videos, stuff like that?

>>4651017
you're saying everyone else is "a brutal doom-tier retard who has ADHD" and you expect to be taken seriously

What map sets should I use with GMOTA?

>>4651034
For the most part that's pretty true.

>>4651017
so you're implying that if a mod sucks, it's because you're bad at it and not that it's a fucking mess

>>4651013
There's a series of tutorials on YouTube

>>4651037
sorry i can't help you, i've never played it; i'm a brutal doom tier retard who has ADHD

>>4651029
Looks good. Thinking about making maps, what does GZD have over Zandronum in terms of mod compatibility? Overall hesitant to even bother getting GZD since I know Zandronum so well

>>4651041
>if you don't like it you're shit at games and can't aim
Great argument

>>4651039
Kegan recommends a few himself, like the Scythes and Brotherhood Of Ruin.
I like to use a wad called Hexen 2 Disguise For Doom 2 with it, it makes every standard Doom 2 wad into a medieval fantasy castle. Just played through No Rest For The Living with it and GMOTA.

>>4650783
I use Doom Explorer
it has a singleplayer section as well as a multiplayer section for Zandronum, ZDaemon, and Odamex servers

tek.wad
tek.zip (35 KB, 1994-05-12) - None
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=138

despite it being full of visual errors i have a soft spot for this ancient wad. there is a slightly more fixed version in wadpak1a.

>>4651034
I don't, actually.

Second big flaw is that it's unaccessible. That is a flaw, but it's what you expect in a mod - if this was a game that'd be an issue, but a single creator hardly has resources to create a 32 level campaign that super well tutorializes every mechanic of the game. It's a bit of a charm of game mods.

I mean, I recall identical situation was with Demon Souls/Dark Souls before it blew up - everyone was complaining that it was too hard and impossible and ergo it sucked.
But then Bloodborne came out, which actually managed to tutorialize Souls gameplay well, and suddenly everyone is a Dark Souls fan.

I believe that eventually, one of the HD fans is going to create an entry-level Wad for Hideous that teaches you most key mechanics, and it's gonna become MUCH more popular, and a better mod in itself.

Yeah, there are other problems - creator seems to have a bit of fetish for realism/difficulty and seems more interested in creating difficult game than in creating a fun one, but it does add to the peculiar kind of charm this mod has. It's not a mod for everyone, but it doesn't make it a BAD one. Tactical shooter fans like it because it's not like tactical shooter genre is particularly common - I mean, there's original Rainbow Six games, Ghost Recon, ARMA, Stalker and its predecessor from the same creators Codename Outbreak, Full Spectrum Warrior [sorta], SWAT 3 and 4, indie roguelike Receiver, first Delta Force and... uh... That's it?

Hideous Destructor means that you get almost infinite supply of maps (Doom maps) that you can play as a tactical shooter. Actually, if you find what OBLIGE settings work well with Hideous, then you get factually infinite supply.

It's not gonna be as polished as a proper tactical shooter like Arma or Rainbow Six, but it IS an appealing concept.

>>4651038
That wasn't me, and I don't actually believe that. Again, I just believe that people who dismiss the mod outright without giving a fair try are scrubs.

>>4650971
Toriel and Sans

>>4651042
>>4651034
>>4651038

Again, I don't believe that.

Fuck, I probably should've made clearer that I DON'T agree with the guy who talked about "brutal doom tier retards with ADHD", I think he's a jackass.

I was only talking about specific people like the ones under the Doom Mod Madness video who said that mod sucks even though they've never play it.

>>4651037
Okay, so I'm reading the manual, and I realized there IS a "power fantasy" difficulty level.
According to the manual, at Homely, you take less damage, but monsters spawn at high rates. That sounds like the exact difficulty someone like Icarus (who is a Brutal Doom fan) would enjoy.

Damn, he really should've read the manual.

>>4651104
>Breddit Doomers
>Reading

>>4650770
Just a boring newbie map. Trying out some stuff I haven't made before like crushers and a platform that raises up from the slime and changes its flat.

Dark Tide is a good map to play with GMOTA.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dt-lutz

Textures for map: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/TeamTNT/return/retres

>>4651107
Funny thing actually. Reddit Doomers say the exact same thing about us.

>>4651107
>>4651126
reddit and 4chan hate each other??? amazing

so i've been working on an fps game that takes a lot of retro elements (strafe jumping, sprawling and open level design, shitloads of monsters, traps, etc) so far i'm really happy with how it's coming along, but i'd like to know /vr/s take on what DUDE RETRO LMAO game design elements i should avoid, because i dont want to make a casualized piece of shit like D44M or shadow warrior where you walk into a small arena and the door shuts behind you, repeated ad nauseum

>>4651137
there's as much animosity as there is overlap between userbase.

>>4651138
>a casualized piece of shit like D44M
Post your ultra nightmare run.

>>4651138
none of those two games pretended to be retro in any way

>>4651147
>Adding in a retarded difficulty where you lose 6 hours of progress when you make a mistake means the game stops being a shitty Halo 1 clone that doesn't remotely resemble Doom
i want reddit to leave.

>>4651156
Yeah I expected a cheap answer like that, bonus for le reddit boogeyman.

>>4651156
So you ain't working on shit, got it

So is Ancient Aliens the most AESTHETIC wad besides graf's bane?

One thing is enemies and entities in the Doom engine walking on the ceiling but has anyone tried to make the player do that too, that even his player sprites and view are upside down?

Is there a mod that simply spawns more monsters over time? (not like monster respawn, something a little less extreme)
If not, I'm going to make one myself.

>>4651156
but then they'd leave you alone.

>>4651172

There was an old old old wad that tried that, called Roll.

>>4651081

>>4651156
>Shitty halo clone
How much you wanna bet he hasn't seen anything outside of the e3 demo?

>>4651170
I'm not sure if this counts as AESTHETIC..
But it sure blew my mind. Don't let the name fool you. Trust me on this.

https://haxmurderer.itch.io/foof-the-pony-anomaly

>>4651183
Where can i find it?

holy shit the vulcanette
oh my god

>>4651190
how much do you want to bet he's trolling to begin with?

>>4651115
Yes this is a cool map
>>4651170
Void & Rainbow?

>>4651191
It has nothing to do with MLP, it is safe.
I cannot stress this enough, the phase-shifting is well worth looking past the p-word in the name

>>4651191
Lookin' alright. Yes yes we all know the stigma that >pony brings I think we're all adult enough to understand it's just a doom wad

>>4651204
>Void
Lot of results that have the same name
>Rainbow
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/p-r/rainbow2
This?

>>4650540
>I'm sure nailguns are more efficient on quad than the SSG
Sort of, they do more reliable damage and turn Shamblers into piles of fur faster than you can blink, but the SSG is still better for "I don't know how much time I have left with the Quad and I need this enemy dead NOW."
> (what is it like 216dmg per blast?
224 if all pellets connect, so even if you whiff a few you're still OHKing anything short of a Death Knight or Fiend.

>>4651216
Not him but Void And Rainbow is the name of what he was suggesting

>>4651216
No, Void and Rainbow, that's the title. Requires GZDoom, very colourful. I think it won or nearly won a cacoward last year.

https://www.doomworld.com/24years/best3.php
(scroll down)

>>4651219
>>4651220
Oops. I'll get that one, it looks good. Also gonna have to pick up GZD

>>4651218
Personally I never liked the nailguns and only find it useful to clearing groups of trash.

>>4651226
Also on the same page just linked try Stardate20x7 if you like purple. It's extremely hard though.

>>4651216
Okay then
I hope you and the others have fun
The sandman is roughing me up, so I gotta go

>>4651104
Okay, I started playing HD, just to give it a shot. So far... UUUGH. That's horrible.

I mean gameplay is fun, and I like how I have to plan ahead thinking of stuff like map layout and crap. But everything else...

Movement bob when you're crouching forward is ATROCIOUS. I'm lucky that I can probably could get used to it, but someone with motion sickness problems would barf.

Similarly, what the FUCK is up with the idea that the scope is automatically brought up when you're standing, and only other options are NEVER bringing it up or ALWAYS, and "zoom" key is instead a rangefinder? Why can't I have a dedicated aiming key like I did in Operation Flashpoint, Rainbow Six or Stalker?

This mod could use some SERIOUS usability improvements. So far the tactical shooter it reminds me the most is Receiver, and Receiver was so convoluted and user un-friendly as a JOKE.

So far I'm playing my first map (E1M1), let's see how the rest of my experience goes.

>>4651230
I just did. GZD 3.2.5 doesn't have the data collection bullshit right? Can't find it anywhere in the .ini provided. Currently dicking around with all these settings because the filtering looks like ASS

>>4651262
>and Receiver was so convoluted and user un-friendly as a JOK
wot? there was literally a help menu which told you what buttons to press

>>4651138
Doom 4 admittedly did the arena thing a bit much, but Shadow Warrior didn't really lock you in much at all.
Some of the harder fights put you in a real meatgrinder where you'd fight for your fucking life and had to constantly stay mobile, but most of the levels you'd free roam and run into enemies or get ambushed, where you'd really not be locked in at all, and could retreat or run forward if you really wanted to.

I prefer fighting, even on Hard Mode.

>>4651156
You sound like a moist bitch.

>>4651262
>I'm lucky that I can probably could get used to it, but someone with motion sickness problems would barf.
It's not made for those people, simple as that. I like it since it helps with the realism.

>>4651262
Okay, so the whole 'press USE to melee" doesn't actually do anything. I have to manually switch to fists and attack. What the fuck?

Also, what the HELL do I do with ammo boxes? I hold USE on them and it just... shows a bunch of sprites and numbers. Shouldn't this kinda stuff be in the manual?

>>4651280
I think he means more in how Receiver was convoluted because every single step in using a gun was a manual action (which to me, is kind of retarded as an idea).
I'm not sure you can really compare it HD though.

>>4651176
Not that I know of.
You could do it with ACS and Decorate though.

>>4651291
>Okay, so the whole 'press USE to melee" doesn't actually do anything
It does, it's a kick at whatever's in front of you. There's no visible or audible effects unless you actually have something to kick though.

>Also, what the HELL do I do with ammo boxes? I hold USE on them and it just... shows a bunch of sprites and numbers. Shouldn't this kinda stuff be in the manual?
It is in the manual.

>>4651310
What's the point of making ammo boxes trapped?

>>4651286
Shadow Warrior had really flat and plain level design and the shoehorned upgrade system stuff really detracted from what could have been good, but instead they decided to focus on everything bad about SW and double down on it for SW2

>>4651320
Balancing factor for the quantity and rarity of the ammo inside.

>>4651280
Well, the entire point of the game was making guns complex to use. Whether one believes it was a joke or simply experimental design is up for debate, I guess.

>>4651287
No, that's just bad design. There is nothing else in the mod that would require to weed out people with motion sickness anyway, and shrinking your audience from "people who like simulationist tactical shooters AND Doom mods" to "people who like simulationist tactical shooters AND Doom mods AND don't have problems with motion sickness" is pointless.

It's not important to the gameplay and it's not even realistic. I just tried crouchwalking around my room for a sec in real life, and I was easily able to steady my head, and I have ZERO military experience - humans are naturally good at steadying our heads, like many animals are (some animals are so good at that, that I believe some camera operators used a chicken with a GoPro as an improvised steadycam). People don't do that in reality, and it makes no sense as in reality you avoid motion sickness as you have a sense of balance and can feel it shifting. That feedback is lacking in videogames and that's why most games allow to switch it off.

Anyway, so far I have no idea what I'm doing, honestly. I haven't even beaten E1M1 on Homely. I have no idea how to pick up ammo of dead enemies, I have no idea what holding "reload" on shotgun does, etc.
I tried tackling last room and I got somehow killed by an enemy HERP, because they're tiny and I didn't twig what it was until I was dead. I'm really glad that manual never mentioned that there are enemy HERPs... </s>

HD defeated me trying to beat E1M1 on lowest possible difficulty level. Well done, I guess.

I think I'm gonna save and check out that Hideous Destructor Bootcamp before trying to play again. So far my experience is eh... I like it, but this could be WAY more user-friendly.

>>4651339
>No, that's just bad design
Might as well complain that videogames aren't made for blind people. You're just nitpicking.

>>4651192

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w20fmrawnarp4ri/Roll_Test.pk3?dl=1
I couldn't find an upload, so here's my own.
Keep in mind it's oooooooooooold. There's several better ways this could be done now.

>>4651279
FINALLY got all the settings just right. GZD menus are different from Zandronum menus when it counts. Still looking for that data collection shit though

>>4651280
I own Receiver and it's a shit fucking game where the aiming is trash and everything you gun needs to do requires some sort of button press. I didn't even know the controls were supposed to be bad on purpose, it feels like a really shitty tech demo that set me back 5 burgers

>>4651329
>the ammo box drops a fuckton of rifle grenades
>mfw

>>4651339
>I just tried crouchwalking around my room for a sec in real life

>>4651339
Wait, you're complaining when you DIDN'T EVEN TRY THE BOOTCAMP? Game Grumps is that you?

>>4651339
don't forget to stop drop and roll my man

>>4651339
Homely has UV spawns. Play on Ugly or Grotesque for E1 as a beginner. All those shotgunners on UV will fuck you up hard even if their damage is reduced to 30%.

>>4651310
The USE kicks didn't seem to do anything, I tapped and held USE in front of a Sergeant who was meleeing me and NOTHING, for like ten seconds as I was slowly losing health (it was just him and me and it was Homely so I survived). After trying to melee him, I switched to fists and he lay dead in two hits, which is the exact same effect when I stealth killed a sergeant earlier in the level, so it seems my ealier kicks didn't do anything at all. Is there any kind of a trick to that "USE" melee thing that I'm not getting?

Also like... I did the 'tap use to attempt disarm' thing. I tried shooting it from a distance. Didn't do nothing except for bringing up some weird display that seems to actually be brought up automatically whenever I hold USE, actually (not that I knew it at the time).

Eventually I punched it and it blew up, but didn't damage me, but left behind... something. I have no idea what it was but I picked it up - I think it was ammo?

I have no idea what just happened. Was it trapped and I blew it up? Did I destroy a perfectly fine ammo box? I have no idea what happened.

>>4651368
holding use is just an inventory check button, yes the ammo falls out of the boxes once you kick them a bunch of times

>>4651373
Ah, alright. I guess I have some kind of understanding of what happened, then.
>>4651358
Dude, chill. I'm not giving up, I just gave it a first shot after reading the manual before diving into the bootcamp so I would have a vague idea what is the dude in the videos referring to, calm your fucking tits. I get that I still have a lot to learn.
>>4651367
Shotgunners didn't do me in, I was fine dealing with them (it's not my first tactical shooter, I know how to play carefully). It was a HERP, mostly because I was trying to understand what the fuck was going on.

>>4651339
you realize this is exactly how most hideous destructor fans are born

>>4651378
You're complaining that it's not user-friendly enough when you didn't even check the tutorial. Dark Souls doesn't remind you how to parry because it assumed you checked the tutorial, that doesn't make it not user friendly.

>>4651368
The kick isn't really intended to kill anything. I don't know that it even does damage, it mainly pushes stuff away from you. Try it out on corpses or babuins.

>Was it trapped and I blew it up? Did I destroy a perfectly fine ammo box?
The ammo box's troubles are over now. Try not to be too jealous.

What it left behind was likely casings or loose rounds, which you can manage back into usable clips/mags by binding a key to weapon state 3 (user3 if you're doing it by console) and pressing it with the pistol, SMG, or 7.76 rifles selected.

I think you have to get closer to the ammo boxes than other items, put your weapon away and crouch right next to it. Each time you attempt to disarm it you should see it bounce slightly, and when it's disarmed it'll flip over, the payload will be free for the taking, and the next use will open the box with its contents intact.

>>4651379
or people that just give up on it.

I love how everytime someone complains about HD it ends up being the player's fault.

>>4651378
im still shit at dealing with the turrets, my main issue with runs now though is running out of ammo for every gun I carry. I was on map02 of d2redux and literally burnt through every gun on the ground because the random demon energy wouldn't stop reviving shit.

Do you guys recommend DarkPlaces' Quake port? I can't get quakespasm to run and it seems to be the only good option.

>>4651345
I'm the author of that mod. Completely agree 100%. That mod was a glitchy test and was more of a proof of concept. Now that we have ZScript and actual camera roll (not fake roll achieved with a camera texture), I can make a much better and less glitchy version. I don't know if I feel too interested in doing so at the moment but it's nice to see people know about what I made.

>>4651396
darkplaces is good, i couldn't get music working on either though

>>4651393
The reviving thing is the one part of HD I can't stand. Too many times I'd have a room cleared and be on my way to moving through to have something revive behind me and kill me.

NO WAY

>>4651191
For one map this was pretty good. Had a problem where I couldn't phase shift the first glitch wall, turns out it needs to be bound at the very bottom of the controls screen.
Really weird that GZD doesn't let me restart maps with mouse click when I die, zandronum let me do that. Can't find the option for that in gameplay or control submenus

>>4651396
Quakespasm used to run fine for me when I had a quake copy. Darkplaces is the next best option iirc

>>4651345
I actually do have a third prototype using ZScript and actual camera roll right now, but I haven't released or said much about it. All I have are some unlisted videos and test levels.

>>4651393
>>4651404
Sometimes you just have to go full autism.

>>4651383
>The kick isn't intended to kill anything
OHHHH alright I get it. Lightbulb flashes, I should still switch to fists in a melee situation. Alright. Thank you!
>>4651381
Is the bootcamp made by the creator? I thought this was a fanmade thing like the series of intro videos for EYE: Divine Cybermancy. If it's creator-made then apologies, I thought I would judge the mod on the way it is packaged, but if Bootcamp is intended as a part of the mod, then I apologize.

Also Dark Souls isn't exactly accessible or user-friendly either, not until Bloodborne. That's why after Bloodborne we're suddenly flooded by Dark Souls fans, because people finally 'got it'.
And the reason I'm complaining about user-friendliness is because I like it so far, and I imagine if it was more user-friendly (while preserving depth) it would've had more fans. These complaints aren't "I hate it and it sucks" complaints, these are "this is fun but could use improvements maybe?" complaints.

>>4651404
and the medkit/stimpack sounds make you paranoid because they are the same as the reviving ones

>>4651412
heh i guess that explicitly doesn't resurrect ghosts that only die to splash damage

>>4651403

I am not even able to run quakespasm for whatever reason. Is DarkPlaces' music setup similar to Spasm's? Doing that dumb de-emphasis on the music was a chore(but it's a plus for me, since i get a kick off trying to run old games and having to tweak a lot of shit).

>>4651423
they are the same i think, maybe some slight naming differences, plus the texture packs available on the website make it look really spooky

>>4651384
both, really
ultimately just depends on how much time you invest in it to become proficient at it
either you stay a whining bitch or you man up and face the flaws and stand triumphantly

>>4651408
Sounds neat

>>4651345
Mod author here again (I also replied to same post a second time but forgot to mention it, but it should be fairly obvious it's mine); you can also get a more complete version of the first prototype here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7lcvsorsoxu4aox/Roll.pk3?dl=0

Keep in mind this one is old, too. Enjoy.

>>4651429
I think I'm still proud of myself for playing it like Doom and refusing to go by the mod's retarded rules. It's actually rather easy with the SMG and Shotgun.

>>4651439
playing aggressively actually gets you killed a lot less than you would think, not to mention its fun hearing the heartbeat sounds accelerating while you blast stuff with the shotgun

>>4650770
I find making beaches with plaincolour to be a very calming experience.

>>4651407
Nevermind respawning uses [Use] instead of [Attack] in GZD for some reason. Getting used to these menus will take a few hours.

>>4651393
>>4651404
>reviving/respawning enemies in DOOM
But why?
>>4651438
Gonna have a little fun with this one

>>4651429
>either you stay a whining bitch
you can't just claim anyone that doesn't like it a whiny bitch.

>>4650938
POORLY, MY DUDE

>>4651226
>I never liked the nailguns

>>4651396
Darkplaces is shit and expect maps and mods to have things broken at random. If Quakespasm won't work, try Mark V. Better yet, instead of just saying you can't get it to run, tell us exactly what's going wrong!

>>4651446
alright allow to rephrase that
man up or don't man up

>>4651439
>I'm playing the mod the way I want to
good for you?

>>4651397
>>4651408
>>4651438

Fucking stellar.
I really enjoyed the little preview, this'll be fun as well.

>>4651457
Nailguns always felt weak to me, shotguns and GL/RL are meaty as fuck and the lightning is better at shitting out damage. The nailguns are a bit lame in comparison, especially the basic one

I've never seen so much discussion of HD in one thread before.

I do not like the recent changes to the mod.

>recoil has been immensely increased, and standing still doesn't make it metter
>-so now you have to constantly move your mouse down, very annoying
>getting set on fire basically ruins your life. I get that it shouldn't be fun to be on fire, but there are ways to deal with it irl. And if it's going to be that much of a pain, then there are real world things you could do to prepare yourself for it. I guess find a hazmat suit.
>the scope, it's either always on, which is kind of distracting, or it's in hold mode, which makes it useless.

Has anyone made a fork of HD yet?

>>4651449
:(

If there's a baron of hell does that mean there's also a baroness?

>>4651327
The level design wasn't excellent, but I didn't think it was bad at all.
For the upgrade system, I like that kind of stuff, but there was some that felt like bloat, like I basically used NO magic but the sword moves and the healing spell.

>but instead they decided to focus on everything bad about SW and double down on it for SW2
I kind of agree on that, in a way. It's like for every step forward they took in SW2, they took two backwards.

Where locales could sometimes be a bit plain and samey in SW, SW2 made environments more detailed and pretty, BUT, the procgen levels are a complete joke and there's basically only 10 or so actually different levels to play in the entire game, and you'll revisit the exact same environments constantly.
Some of the weapons could be a bit lackluster or 'floaty' in SW, which they did do better in SW2, but the problem is that SW2 was also turned into a pseudo-Borderlands, which I felt detracted massively, it's not AT ALL what I wanted.
For every weapon I enjoyed, there were like 4 that I didn't, and the upgrade system feels like the worlds biggest afterthought, with lots of worthless bonuses early on, and the orb system, which feels like it was designed to explicitly waste my fucking time.
The larger bestiary is kind of nice in some ways, but ostensibly it's actually less varied in roles, and a lot of the monsters are actually just reskins with mostly the same behavior and animations.

I'll also say that I kind of liked the plot and characters of SW, even if it's kind of flawed at places, whereas SW2 has absolutely atrocious plot and characters and shits all over the previous game.
I'm really hoping the third game starts with Lo Wang waking up from a drug induced stupor and then there's a real sequel.

>>4651483
>>getting set on fire basically ruins your life
wipe this meme from the face of the earth
i know this method isn't explicitly mentioned in the manual
but the one that is mentioned also just got a significant buff

>>4651496
hdoom says yes

>>4651504
What's funny is that the upgrade system in SW2 is great. I just didn't really want it in a SW game.

I will agree on the enemy behavior thing. I felt like SW1 had a Doom like approach to enemies where you had to handle each enemy differently. SW2 every enemy was just an attack and HP value.

I can't take this anymore...

>>4651540
that screenshot reminds me of a trick I found out about on doomworld, and have been using ever since: if you randomly offset rock textures in the distance and break up the tiling pattern, it creates a more interesting look than if you just auto-align and be done with it

would recommend

>>4651438
just gave this a run and fuck this is fucking stellar like god damn

why have you never posted anything about this you fabulous winged faggot, this is fucking COOL

>>4651438
The menu is kind of a pain in the ass but this is real neat. I got stuck at this door right away, though.

>>4651470
Glad to hear it. Check this out as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nxeo8gU8aI

This is from the third prototype. I have much better systems in place for things now. I wish there was a GetActorCeilingTexture function, but some ZScript that does the same thing will do.

>>4651572
Forgot picture.

>>4651576
>I wish there was a GetActorCeilingTexture function
i'm surprised there isn't, now that you mention it
lemme guess, it was suggested and [no]'d?

>>4651576
This is giving me huge Limbo vibes.

>>4651572
You'll be glad to hear I don't have a menu in the current version I'm working with, exactly for that reason. In the current version, there's also no dizziness or stamina meter. Some more confusing stuff was cut out as well.

>>4651576
EXPLAIN THIS NIGGER MAGIC

>>4651582
Should be. The music in the demo is straight from Limbo. I'm trying my best to avoid content from other games right now though.

>>4651581
I think it was just ignored, I might check in a moment. They accepted my request to be able to grab a floor/ceiling texture via ZScript though.

>>4651576
This would be a fucking amazing mapset. This looks cool as shit
Going to be downloading the old build later, good work.

>>4651483
it's been like that for a while.

to be perfectly honest I don't find fault with the way shit operates on the player's end. I'm more concerned with how cheap and low energy some enemies can be, particularly the zombies.

>>4651576
Wait how the fuck do you do this in GZDoom. In short >>4651585

>>4651585
I used to use a camera texture on the floor of a sector outside the map, with a 3d floor ontop that had a white noise texture on it. A camera would look straight down at the camera texture, and I'd change the yaw of it to emulate rolling.

Now I just use SetActorRoll and ChangeActorRoll and modify the player directly. I also modify the player's view height.

Some other stuff also has to be done, like making sure friction on the floor/ceiling is consistent, making sure walking up steps on the floor/ceiling is consistent (something I'm still working on), and much more. Basically, I have to worry about consistency a lot.

Hope that answers everything.

>>4651606
>I used to use a camera texture on the floor of a sector outside the map, with a 3d floor ontop that had a white noise texture on it. A camera would look straight down at the camera texture, and I'd change the yaw of it to emulate rolling.
god damn that's so simple but clever

>>4651508

When is 4chan adding support for vp9?

Are there any old FPSs that actually do hitscan enemies right?

>>4651620
Have you checked out Doom?

>>4651563
I'd say mainly because it feels like this mod has been in limbo somewhat. I feel like working on it occasionally and I post videos. I've never updated the thread on the ZDoom forums since I feel my current work is less complete than my first prototype. I do want to see the mod be completed though. Most of the work is fixing inconsistencies, mapping, and finding resources (graphics, sounds, etc.) at this point.

>>4651636
fair enough, it's pretty hard to get a project to a point where you want to actually release it
we're always optimizing our own shit

but seriously, if you plan on working on this and want to finish it, reveal this shit my nig
seriously, this is fucking astounding and unique, never seen anything like it before and i can guarantee you other people will be turning heads as well

fucking do-it.wad

>>4651540
is that d2ino map24?

>>4651651
not him but i don't think so
besides, the sky isn't even red, since 24 would be one of the hell levels, i think

>>4651576
Please turn off the noise filter on your video recordings in future. Thanks.

>>4651262
>Receiver was so convoluted and user un-friendly as a JOKE
Opinion discarded

>>4651339
I think the movebob is part of the Doom engine's player movement that just doesn't(didn't?) have a workaround modding-wise.

>>4651651
it is Resurge, map 22

It is a place of sadness

>>4651656
The video is unedited footage of me in-game, so what you're seeing is an in-game effect. What I was going for when this effect was initially introduced (in the first prototype which had playable maps) was trying to make it look like you're viewing everything through a camera strapped to the player's head. The only reason it existed in the first prototype was because the camera texture made your screen look crappy and blurry, and the static reduced that look to an extent. Now it just exists because it was in the previous versions.

The whole point of that was to give the feeling of being in some sort of complex, being tested. Some people might not like it or have better suggestions of how to go about it. It's all subject to change and I'm all ears on these kinds of things.

Of course, if this thing ever hits release and I still have static in it, the last thing I want to do is ruin the experience for people like you who don't like it, so it'll be an option you can toggle on and off (and I will use MENUDEFS or whatever the lump was called for that, not a crappy menu implemented in ACS).

In the future, I'd be happy to turn the effect off. Not a problem to me.

>>4651663
How the fuck do you get past the first door without noclip? It's fucked up. With the graphics spazzing out when you first start the level too it's pretty shitty. Can't really expect anything from an alpha alpha prototype alpha though

>>4651670
I owe this one to crappy level design, so my bad on that one. I'm not exactly the best mapper, and don't worry, those crappy graphics are gone in the version I'm working with.

To get past the door, look at the ceiling above the side of the lava pit that doesn't have the door. You'll see a portable switch item there that goes in your inventory. Use it to flip gravity. Be sure you're standing in the right position when you flip.

There are no portable switches in the current version of Roll. I was eventually going to have the player gain the ability to control gravity with the press of a button, after a series of levels with those portable switches, but I decided I would just have some levels where you'd need to flip switches and at some point the player gets full control of gravity.

The old version of Roll really does have lots of graphical problems. I'm VERY glad they added in actual Roll into GZDoom, so I don't even have to worry about that kind of crap anymore.

I'm wondering - I realized I had a ton of fun playing Duke Nukem Advance, and I'd love even more to play it not on GBA and with quality-of-life improvements of Eduke.
So, did anyone make a Duke3D mod recreating Duke Nukem Advance?

>>4651674
Question from a fuck who has no idea about doom modding.
Could this work on normal maps?

>>4651683
Yes. The current version works on any map and requires no set-up from the mapper thanks to the introduction of features not present when I made the first prototype of Roll.

The first prototype (which I've linked here) requires special set-up on each map because of needing a camera texture for the roll effect. Back before the introduction of camera rolling to GZDoom, I think it'd be impossible.

>>4651674
I guess I can try it again and find that portable thing

>>4650770
I find autumn forests are also quite calming to make.

>>4651147
Is Ultra Nightmare actually harder than Nightmare, or is it just NM with no continues?

>>4651765
the lack of infinite lives increases the difficulty by putting mental pressure on the player.

>>4651770
Honk honk. I meant "does anything within the game change", like increased damage or enemy spawns. Let us assume that the person playing is a zen master incapable of feeling mental pressure.

>>4649604
I'd like there to be a Wolf3D mod(preferably with the upgraded engine) or a Doom WAD where you are either a captured Wehrmacht Sergeant or detained rebellious Red Army Private 1st Class who manages to escape his cell and goes on a Revenge Spree against the USSR. Basically, Wolf3D but with you fighting against Soviet soldiers in Soviet Territory. Bonus if a Mutant Stalin is the Final Boss.

>>4651786
What can Wolf3D do that Doom can't? Aside from horizontal doors.

>>4651789
This is already possible in ZDoom with polyobjects.

>>4651789
There is a Wolf3D version with an upgraded game engine. Not sure that that engine is called, though.

>>4650056
You want some more fun, play those with the terrorist/police brutality mod.

>>4650518
anything else you wanna tell us, sweetie?

>>4648182

My problem with the mod was largely that after I adapted it its rules, I still got killed.
Honestly, if the interface was easier and there were fewer keybindings, I feel like I could really enjoy HD. It's just all the little stuff I wish I could turn off, like homing Imp fireballs, and some of the weapon handling. I don't get why you can't turn some of the more fringe elements off, just to see if it improves the mod.

>>4651786
goddamn kulaks

>>4651775
They'll still get fucked by imp fireballs outside of their FOV setting.

>>4651613
In keeping with HD's style, you can shake it off by turning a full 180.
I wish HD had a better/more intuitive interface.

>>4651620
Blood's enemies didn't have pinpoint accuracy at range and I liked that.

>>4649604
Anyone have an updated version of pic related?

>>4651837
Crouching and jumping also decreased their accuracy, so it was actually meaningful to take cover. God, what a good game.

>>4651786
I want a Wolf3D but with Imperial Japan instead of Nazi Germany.

>>4651840
Check the OP next time.

>>4651847
OK then, but who would the player character be anyway?

>>4651808
You mean ECWolf? If I recall, it's actually based on ZDoom.
>>4651789
Enemy patrols and ergo, proper stealth gameplay. You CAN do it in Doom with a lot of Zscript hacking, but Wolf supports it vanilla (because it was originally supposed to be a stealth game). That's why Doom doesn't have a single real stealth mod (there's I guess alpha of Metal Gear, but it has barely any stealth and only in VR Missions), while there are several mods that are based or featuring stealth in Wolf.

>>4651847
YO that's a good idea. You'd get a good enemy variety with projectile flamer enemies, and melee banzai chargers.
>>4651861
I mean, an American GI? I think they meant "Imperial Japan" as in "Showa period WW2 Japan", not "Imperial samurai and ninja japan".

>>4651858
Can I get reccs for more shit like Demons of Problematiq and Hellcore 2.0?

>>4651826
Yeah, it could be much more streamlined. That's what threw me off at first, than other tactical shooters like STALKER, SWAT or Rainbow Six still play largely like regular FPS, just with an extra mechanic or two and less forgiving. HD is... something else.

If you can get past that, it's fun tactical experience, and probably closest we will get to a strategy game in Doom modding for a while.

Void and Rainbow looks fucking fantastic, the constant shifting colors with dark buildings is my favorite use for rainbow shit.

>>4651879
desu playing DOOM II, I always saw fights as a puzzle to be solved, not just shot through. I know everyone thinks of it as a shoot-em-up, but not everyone plays on ultra-violent their first time in and has to learn the hard way how certain weapons must be used to deal with specific enemies.

>>4651897
>>4651879
That puzzle aspect is what made me really enjoy Sudden Death, honestly.

>>4651876
As in heavily atmospheric maps or what?

>download Threshold Of Pain expecting dark, atmospheric goodness
>it's not dark or atmospheric (besides the PSX music) at all
>but there's colored lighting fucking everywhere
A bit disappointing based on what was promised tbH. It's fun so far though.

>>4651903
Yeah, heavily atmospheric stuff that's fun to explore or where exploration is an intended part of it.

Any reccs for stuff that would go with Police Brutality, tonally?

The first 2-3 levels of Going Down are a good example.

>>4651870
I think it'd be pretty easy to implement patrolling enemies with a number of marker things. Enemies tagged with the same number as the markers will move in a straight line to them, in a semi-active state.

>>4649690
Kriegsland has both a weapon mod and an enemies standalone mod that's based off the Wolfenstein enemies.

>>4649690
Bratwurst is good. But it needs to be customized for the best experience. Kriegsland enemies are also good but stray from Wolfenstien classic and take more from TNO.

>>4650746
Does anyone have the Corzo version of that pic?

>>4651527
I can kind of deal with the upgrade tokens and that (aside from them being all but fucking useless until you get like 20-40 hours in), but then you get to the orb thing, where you just need an absurd amount of them to do anything really worthwhile, and there's no ways but the really slow ones to get those orbs at all.

And yeah, the cast of monsters and badguys is really only diverse superficially, mostly they don't do too different things from each other, the first game was more versatile in enemy roles by far, despite a much smaller bestiary.
Like the charging demon with the weak spot in the back, two of those at a time in SW'13 was actually a really bothersome fight, and especially if other guys join in, like summoners or sword bitches.
In SW2, they bring those demons back, but as a recolor, and they aren't invulnerable on the front and weak in the back, you can just blast them like any other, they completely kill what made that monster special in it's original role.

You don't have the sword hags that go invisible and which force you to constantly move, you don't have the flying shitheads which Kamikaze dive at you (either as you draw the fight out, or as they become wounded), forcing you to seek cover and focus your attention at the sky, you don't have the big fuckoff demons which sweep at you with horizontal waves of fire, or try to grapplehook you from a distance.
There's also how SW'13 has actual crafted encounters, whereas SW2 just kind of has no thought to enemy encounters (because it's 'procedurally' generated), and it never feels like there's any tactics on the enemy side.

Again, it's like for every step forward that Shadow Warrior 2 actually took, it then took two steps backwards.

>>4651916
SgtMarkIV maps like City Assault, ArmageDoom, After the Holocaust and Neighbourhood from Hell? He really likes the city theme... (Sadly ep2 from Hell on Earth Starter Pack wouldn't work as it's kinda crappy and too heavy on the 'modern warfare' theme...)

Ironically other than that, primary ideas I think of are sadly from total conversion mods with their own gameplay changes, Batman Doom and Operation Bodycount. I'm not sure if Police Brutality would play nicely with that, though you can try.

It looks okay in an opengl renderer I guess.

>>4649614
TONIGHT... WE YIFF... IN HELL!

short simple map from a newbie, might be tough.
boom, requires doom2.wad and cc4-tex.wad
no jumping/crouching thanks

bc_talkin.wad
https://my.mixtape.moe/bnccrr.wad

cc4-tex.wad
https://my.mixtape.moe/qddfuu.wad

Can anyone give me idea for a map? Like, a basic idea for a map, something simple. All ideas I had so far have ballooned into terrible feature creep beyond my current abilities.

The 'over-my-head' ideas include:
>a non-linear undead-themed take on a Zelda dungeon with three paths to three keys; each path is also themed after a different concept, including aboveground cemetery path filled with zombies with a blue tint leading to blue key, underground crypt/church filled with LS in a yellow candlelight tint and leading to yellow key, and flooded catacombs with revenants in sickly red light leading to red key; all topped with proper Zelda-style dungeon gimmicks (different for each path), and usable Small Keys full Zelda-style; once you collect all three skull keys you get a unique dungeon boss;
>and a lovecraftian story which wordlessly and entirely through gameplay would tell a story of a lost FTL spaceship emerging in a perfectly mundane earth building... that happens to be sitting on a planetoid millions of lightyears from Earth

The thing is all of these things need some mapping/scripting experience or custom assets and I just can't think of something SIMPLE. Something simple and vanilla that I can do as my first map.

>>4652021
Is Hell On Earth Starterpack any good? Can I play it with other mods besides Burtl Dumd?

>>4652041
i've heard most people say it's decent

>>4652040
i mean... just make a map dude :p look at a map you already like and do that
just make a techbase, let the story in your head develop as you go and see where it takes you
think about some shapes and layouts and just make them
look at e1 or something and think about how you can do your own twist on that
i know it can be hard

>>4652040
I definitely don't think you should discard that idea, just shelve it for a later time when you're more experienced, because I like the sound of it.

I guess something easy would be a sewer level or a basement area, make sure to think of some encounters to stage to make it interesting enough to play.
Like think out a tactic for attacking the player, but also make sure there's room and resources for the player to be able to handle the level.

For instance, a large room with some tall-ish platforms, put some Imps up there, they'll throw fire down at the player, then let loose a couple of pinkie demons, which will force the player to stay moving and prevent him from camping for long, maybe put a mancubus in there too, he'll add danger, but he also belches out great balls of fire very indiscriminately, so he can easily be tricked into blasting the pinkies for the player.

Oh yeah, and use literally any sky texture and music other than brown clouds and D_RUNNIN, that goes a decent way towards making your map more appealing. You can use literally just something picked from any of the iwads which you feel is suitable for the level.

>>4652041
It's alright-ish.

The problem is that it was clearly super fucking rushed. Mark is not a bad mapper, but he was clearly struggling to create a full 32-level megawad by himself while also making BD at the same time. As such, several levels are almost unedited Freedoom levels, some levels are just his old levels ( I believe the burger joint map from Ep2 is just City Assault with minor changes).

New maps are often mediocre, and Mark's predilection towards making map cooler rather than coherent rears its ugly head. If you're in any capacity stuck, immediately search for a walkthrough instead of banging your head against the wall.

It seems some maps are poorly playtested, and some poor signposting is solved in the worst way possible (e.g instead of making it clear that you can jump over the fence by e.g. adding a ladder - he instead just. Uses a script to display text "climb the fence").

There is some weirdly poor enemy usage - e.g in Map13, there is a Mancubus sitting on a tall box 100 meters from you, with almost no other enemies around you - I mean, who puts projectile enemies at a distance? A child could dance around his projectiles while firing at him. And it's not like a tutorial about Mancubuses or something, again, this is Map 13, second episode. At this point player had to get through several extremely hard fights, and fought a boss. Difficulty curve is definitely pretty weird and askew. Also, secrets are usually pretty lazy and it's usually just giant stacks of armor bonuses, not worth bothering with.

Similarly, if you play it in order - don't be surprised if in couple first maps you will be constantly struggling for ammo.

Most importantly... well... They're actually not very fun with Brutal. Brutal requires a specific style of gameplay, and not all maps are truly well suited to that (e.g. include cover that you can poke out from). Most maps will probably be more fun with Trailblazer, or High Noon Drifter. OR - Hideous Destructor.

>>4652058
>>4652041
Cont - see, the ironic thing is that Brutal Doom maps actually work pretty well with Hideous Destructor. Good Brutal Doom maps usually feature not too many enemies, and ample cover. Of course, BD maps do this to facilitate 'stop and pop' style of CoD-like gameplay - but it works for HD to give you time to weigh your tactical options and e.g. bandage yourself if you're bleeding.

Overall, if you want flashy scripted events and cool looking maps with a military theme- definitely a good idea. If you want a solid mapset with a good difficulty curve - look somewhere else.

>>4652058
>I mean, who puts projectile enemies at a distance?
They make sense if there's more than just the projectiles coming in from the distance, like if you're in a fight, and somewhere up on a building or a cliff, an arachnotron or fatso is pumping some projectiles your way, that can change the dynamics of the fight.

Plutonia Map 29 has some of this.

>>4650770

>>4652062
>Of course, BD maps do this to facilitate 'stop and pop' style of CoD-like gameplay

I thought one of the selling points of BD originally at least back in the day was that it wasn't CoD.

>>4652052
>>4652046
Thanks! I'm already having a general idea in my head.
By looking at my favourite maps, I realized I'm generally fond of idea of small walkways/ledges over nukage (since my favourite levels from Vanilla seem to be E1M1, E1M3, and E4M1). So I might do something with that idea!
Similarly, basement/sewer gives me a general idea for a theme, I think. (And it fits with the 'acid walkway' idea...)
Also, thanks for that 'imps/pinkies/mancubus' encounter idea!

Thanks, guys!

>>4652038
>https://my.mixtape.moe/bnccrr.wad
its pretty crazy, and frantic, but not in a good way, i think. too many high level monsters ruins the flow and makes you stand in one area to get rid of the monsters on the top of the hill. i think this level would be a lot cooler if you gave the player a plasma gun as the starting weapon. also, the timing on the red lift is nasty

>>4652070
Yeah, but there isn't really anything dangerous there. By the time you're in line of sight of Mancubus, you have killed everything dangerous there.
I guess it's maybe because Mancubus is near your next objective (a keycard) so it leads you in that direction? Maybe? Except it's not like you can actually miss it since said objective is at an end of a linear street anyway...
>>4652073
Yeah, it's actually sorta close to CoD - definitely on a sliding scale between arcade shooter-style and CoD-style, BD is closer to CoD than vanilla is.

Definitely has similar rhytm. The only non-CoDish change it does is that hitscanners shots are now projectiles, but they're not really avoidable because they're too fast, and they have random spread - so unless you can freely circlestrafe at long range around the hitscanners, you will still need to take cover.

And it lately added more 'CoD'ish features like 'tactical' mode where you get a limited sprint and shit like that.

>>4652087
>Yeah, but there isn't really anything dangerous there. By the time you're in line of sight of Mancubus, you have killed everything dangerous there.
Oh yeah, not arguing that part, just that there's a good time and place to throw projectiles from the distance.

>>4652075
... Actually I think I'm gonna make it a private-eye themed. Probably design it to work with Accessories to Murder, because it definitely has this gritty 'tech-noir private eye' feel and that fucking A2M revolver is what dreams are made of.

I think the plot would involve a private eye hired to investigate a basement of an abandoned factory, learning basement is connected to old sewers/subway, and this leading him to hideout of a demon-summoning cult, probably with a bossfight against some badass demon. This gives a nice three-act structure and an easy and natural difficulty curve/interest curve (with basement as easiest section, sewers as ramping up tension, and basement as climax).

Alright, I can work with that. Sure. Alright, I better get going, I will post my progress in this thread once I will have anything worth showing.

>>4651172
In FTE Quakeworld typing "spiderpig" into the console makes you walk on walls and ceilings.

What are mods/maps that work well in co-op play? Something that I can load up with a friend and just have a blast with.

>>4652104
Okay, nevermind, it seems A2M has no real way to get rid of that overly militarized HUD that mentions UAC. Crap.

So, does anyone here know any weaponset (just weaponset, preferably without enemy replacements, I want demons) that would work for a private eye kinda deal? I'm considering going with High Noon Drifter.