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I'm looking to build a Windows 98 PC. Is there a specific prebuilt I should be looking for to start out with, or is it easier to work from scratch?

>> No.4639345

If games be your thing, many of them will work on Windows 10 with a patch or other adjustments. No need to actually screw with 20 year old hardware just to play Deer Avenger.

>> No.4639363


I like screwing with 20 year old hardware just to play Deer Avenger though

>> No.4639434

> being this retarded
I'd just go from scratch. Be aware some 95-98 games require an exact cpu speed.

>> No.4639459

Easiest to get a prebuilt P2/P3 system and upgrade parts if/when needed. Just make sure it has at least one ISA slot for a sound card if you want to play DOS games.

>Be aware some 95-98 games require an exact cpu speed.
Windows games aren't that picky. Stick to pre-P4 and just about everything should work fine.

>> No.4639469

Why not use a virtual machine?

>> No.4639470

For someone reason people who don't really know what they're talking about like to give advice. OP, don't listen to this or you're going to be fucked trying to play your obscure games. Especially if you're trying to play the original versions, not a gog fix.

>> No.4639476

To follow up, you need to look up the exact processor for many games. For example what if you took this advice >>4639459 and got a p2/p3 system, excited to play your Speed Busters disc? You'd be fucked. Need a p4 2.0

>> No.4639479

Also refer to https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=34869

>> No.4639480

The fuck are you even talking about? The P4 2.0 didn't even come out until the XP era.

>> No.4639501

I guess that's not VR then :( nevermind
Random example, Betrayal In Antara. You need a P233

If you wanted to be able to play all windows games, you'd literally need separate p166, p233 etc systems.

For 90% of games this isn't true. but just if you want the ultimate setup.

>> No.4639502

Let me guess, you're parroting information from here:
But you failed to comprehend that the "recommended processor" is referring to the MAXIMUM clock speed that the games will run properly on. I guess that's where you got the ridiculous idea that Speed Busters will only play properly on a CPU released three years after the game. LMAO.

>For someone reason people who don't really know what they're talking about like to give advice.
It's true, you do. Kindly fuck off.

>> No.4639503

or you could just play the gog version

the number of games you're likely looking to play on a win98 build vs the handful of corner cases that need a p4 really doesn't compare, athlon/p4 builds are generally much better suited to xp

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>> No.4639507

a lot of games don't have a gog version

>> No.4639508

No Windows 98 game requires a P4. The guy you're replying to is an idiot.

>> No.4639517

i expressed myself poorly. there are far more dos/win98 speed sensitive games that require a much *slower* processor than a p4, and it's much harder to scale down a p4/athlon to meet those requirements than it is if you're using a pentium/p2/k-6 and so on. for that reason the p4 is not a good choice for a win98 build.

>> No.4639520

What is the best VM and OS to use for retro games?

I've tried DOSBox, and it works okay, but there's obvious limitations and some sound/graphics issues. I've tried running Win 95/98 in PCEm, but it's quite slow even on modern gaming hardware. I've tried getting 98 to run in VirtualBox, but again it's slow and I can't get 3D acceleration to work.

>> No.4639528

just depends how you define windows 98 game. if you mean games that were compatible with windows 98, this isn't true, but if you mean strictly win98 you're right. regardless, the point isn't about any one particular game. the point i'm making is, op needs to look up the specific requirements for the games he wants to play

Al Unser Jr. Arcade Racing

needs p166


needs p3

i think these are win95/98 exclusive, but i could be wrong

>> No.4639535

from another site
10 Reasons for a Pentium 4 Windows 98 DOS Retro Gaming PC

The video explains them in more detail...

1. Cheap
2. Easy to find
3. Wide range of processors from 1.4 GHz to 3.4 GHz
4. USB 2.0
5. More USB ports as well as headers for case USB connector
6. SATA, IDE and FDD connectors
7. Insane SATA HDD performance
8. Intel 865 chipset is extremely stable, reliable and compatible
9. Wide range of graphics cards
10. Great for DOS Gaming: Sound Blaster, General MIDI, High resolution gaming

More reasons:
- Lots of uATX choices for compact builds
- Modern BIOS with support for large hard drives
- Easy to find documentation, drivers, BIOS updates
- Onboard devices such as LAN, sound save PCI slots
- With faster graphics cards you can enable image enhancing features such as AA and AF

best situation is having multiple computers, p2, p3, p4..

>> No.4639543

Just stop replying. You don't know shit.

Otherwise you'd know that most P2s have unlocked multipliers and can easily be clocked down to get your shitty obscure Windows 3.1 sports game to run.

>> No.4639554

Any source that claims P4s are good for DOS gaming is full of shit. Many DOS games fail to work with PCI sound cards, and I've never heard of a P4 motherboard with ISA.

Yes, you can technically run Windows 98 and DOS games on a P4, but there's no good reason to try. A P2 or P3 is more than enough.

>> No.4639563

yeah but who wants to do that? more fun to just get the original hardware.

>> No.4639565

I have a pentium 1 windows 95 PC and it sucks so much ass I can't see why anyone would set this up.

>> No.4639574

There is literally nothing from the 90s that I played and enjoyed back then that I cannot play and enjoy now on modern hardware.

It'd have to be some obscure piece of shit nobody but you cares about to be that motivated to put together ancient hardware.

>> No.4639575

well i for one don't really want 10 different computers sitting in my basement and having to drag each of them out and set them all up every time i want to play x speed sensitive game. you have to compromise. the p4 is going to have a lot more difficulties running dos games than something slower. if you're using a pentium for example you can usually disable caches and downclock the cpu for those games of which there are dozens, that require that level of performance. you're not going to be able to do that on a p4. you'd certainly have much easier time running later (windows native) titles on a p4, and there's an argument that that might be advantageous, but to my mind i'd rather have a separate machine for late 90s/early 00s gaming anyway.

>> No.4639660

I'm just using a Pentium 4 2.0, 512MB and the SiS integrated graphics. Works for every normie game I've tried so far.

>> No.4639665


You need to specify that.

>> No.4639728 [DELETED] 

citra gpu update integrated into nightly build when

>> No.4640386

I had one (a Dell Optiplex P133 upgraded to 98SE). I had more fun gaming on that thing than any other computer I've ever had.

>> No.4640390

>There is literally nothing from the 90s that I played and enjoyed back then that I cannot play and enjoy now on modern hardware.

Civil War Generals 2 is an old friend from my childhood and works on Windows 10 perfectly fine.

>> No.4640672


In what ways would you say it "sucks ass"?

>> No.4640714
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I am also building a Windows 98 machine, specifically a J-Win98SE machine, all for my J-Win pleasures. It is true that there are modern methods that may be more efficient, like GoG, but I think part of the joy in having a computer is just making something specifically in the way that you'd want it. For instance, if I can save up, I'd really want to experience using an actual Roland MT-32 for the games I loved. I find putting the things together an enjoyable experience as a side hobby to video games.

However, there were plenty of prebuilt computers, and that could be a good source to to start for inexpensive parts. I used a prebuilt 486DX4-100 as a base for its case, power source, motherboard, and processor. I am currently using its onboard video and a really generic Virba16, but I recently decided to get a Tseng video card and I hope to figure out a Soundblaster card I'd want in the machine to achieve a sound I remember.

The point is, I think part of the joy of computers in general is that you make it yours. You can go about it either way you choose, from scratch or with a prebuilt.

A family member of mine has, a "dead" Gateway 2000 P5-75, with accompanying 17" Trinitron CRT monitor that I will try to salvage for parts (I will use that monitor, and I think it had a true Soundblaster 16), and maybe even start another side build with the leftover parts I have around. Even at stock, I played a lot games on that P5-75, which I base my current builds on: such as the soundblaster music for Princess Maker 2 and Zone 66. You can try to make it not suck by maybe changing some things like upgrades in its RAM, sound, video, controller cards, drives, etc. as I want to.

>> No.4640750

I have a P4 with ISA slots and a real Sound Blaster in it. Some games do run fast and need to be slowed down in one way, another or both but it smashes the specs on any 98 games it runs on max settings. My P3 laptop is easier to get very accurate game speeds out of using just Setmul but it bogs heinously on high end retro games. If you're not looking to end up sitting atop a throne of junk and only want a single "retro PC" it's definitely best to go for something as powerful as possible that still has ISA slots (that DOS is capable of addressing).

In all honesty, 98se/DOS compatible drivers for my P4 were a nightmare to collect so unless that sort of thing appeals to someone it'll probably be best to go with a P3.

>> No.4640948

There are P4 montherboards with fully functioning ISA slots but there are a lot of P4 boards out there where the ISA slot actually does not do DMA, so the FM audio wont work.
For anyone thinking of getting a P4 for classic PC gaming, beware of this. You're way more safe getting a P3 pc.

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>> No.4641272

i want like 5 computers in my basement. sounds fun. not that expensive.

>> No.4641857

Mine has at least 2 ISAs, maybe more that might be an indicator

>> No.4642226

You know what I like about your posts? The immediately recognizable handwriting.

>> No.4642378

You mean PCM/FX don't work. FM is often the easiest part to get working.

>> No.4642384

Pentium MMX 233 [1996] Windows 98 SE [dvd-writer+ 3.1/2"]+[128/137GB HD]+[Matrox G400 Max & sli Diamond Monster 3D II;3dfx Voodoo2 12MB]+[Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold CT4390 + expanded ram]+[Triton TX Intel 430TX Socket 7 RaMmax 256mb] cpu is FV80503233 + [15-Inch CRT Monitor]

Diamond Monster Sound MX300 Aureal Vortex2 PCI; for A3D games from Pentium MMX 233 and above

>> No.4642394

Pentium III* 1.4 GHz [2000] Windows 98 [dvd-writer+ 3.1/2"]+[1TB HD]+[GeForce 2 Ultra*]+[Sound Blaster Audigy 2 zs gold EAX]+[ASUS CUC2 Socket 370 i820 RAMmax 1GB] cpu is Intel Pentium III 1.4GHz-S + [17-Inch CRT Monitor] *III-S also called the Tualatin

*Best drivers are; 45.23 aka nvidia_w9x_omega_14523.exe

I don't know if this setup would work with Windows 98.

>> No.4642402

Pentium II 450 Mhz [1998] Windows 98 [dvd-writer+ 3.1/2"]+[500GB HD]+[Voodoo5 5500 AGP]+[Sound Blaster Live! Platinum 5.1*]+[Asus P2B-F Socket Slot1 or SC242 RAMmax 1GB] cpu is 80523PY450512 + [17-Inch CRT Monitor]

not sure about this and 98 either

>> No.4642404

Win 98SE RAM up to 1 GB and Hard disks up to 128 GB (137 GB)

>> No.4642416

Check out these guys;



ask for someone on yt to make a Win98SE dream machine like some have done for WinXp;

>> No.4642420

Isn't there something like a retro PCpartpicker?

>> No.4642458

>Win 98SE RAM up to 1 GB
98 caps out at 128MB.

>> No.4642464

No, 512MB.

>> No.4642469

Win 98 does in fact have RAM limit of 2 GB, but as there is a bug in the memory managenment there may be problems when you install more than 512 MB.

>> No.4642472

There is a patch supposedly for 4

>> No.4642492

Check out old magazines of the era (google books has some) for WIn98SE specs on various builds that were being sold.

>> No.4642539

66Mhz DX2
32MB 60ns 72pin simms
Soundblaster 16 PnP ISA (mid gen model an OPL3)
S3 805 1MB of RAM VLB video card
10mb half duplex 16bit ISA networking card
2GB CF card for the hard drive
Win 95 OSR2.5

I've got a network share of ~150+gigs of DOS and Win3.1 to 95ish era games. Its setup on a SMB share that I can access from the PC. I just search for what game I want when booted in to Win95 and copy it over and extract with WinRAR.
Its fucking awesome. Been checking out a bunch of DOS games that I've been meaning to play. It definitely feels a lot more responsive then playing in an emulator. I got use to DOSBox and more recently PC-EM for the last 15 years, forgot the tight feel of real hardware. But lockups are frequent with old poorly made shareware games, so there is that draw back since it isn't a simple restart of an emulator but a reboot of the whole machine. That said its still fun to pour though old shareware CDs and find weird shit that was made by some dude in his basement and at the time was trying to sell it to someone, anyone by mailorder. Its enduring.

>> No.4642545

There are 2 ways of getting around the 512MB soft limit Win98
1) Community/commercial patches. There are about 4 that I'm aware of although I'm not sure how reliable they are.
2) Not really a fix, but a workaround. Say you have a P3 with 1GB of RAM that you dual boot with NT/XP. When booting in to Windows use a DOS based RAM disk application to make a RAM disk large enough that only 512BM remains, so then when Windows it self loads later in the startup process it only sees the remaining RAM and is able to operate stablely (whatever that means for win98)

>> No.4642745

Does anyone have a book list of build your own retro pc or something?

>> No.4642909


it has only 2 years but maybe more will be added

>> No.4643152

Look on ebay if you are in the UK there is a guy who has some kickass retro rigs atm.

He has on P2 400 with AWE 64 gold soundcard and 3DFX voodoo2!

>> No.4644138

What model is this motherboard?

>> No.4644143

LGR has several videos advising newborns on what pc to buy, he’s probably the biggest windows and dos expert on youtube so you should take his advises

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>or is it easier to work from scratch
This. The best PC is the one you assembled yourself.
>I'm looking to build a Windows 98 PC.
Go either for P2/P3 slot-1 machine with 440bx chipset mobo or AMD K6-2/K6-3 and ALi Aladdin V/VIA MVP3 chipset. Both are great start. Relatively easy to work with and also provide a lot of flexibility.

>> No.4644545

How much did the PC all costs in total?

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I'm fairly sure iit's a "P4SCA" very similar to pic related but I'd have to pull it out of its rack in the basement to check specifically. Seems like I was pretty lucky to have found it in a complete system with a Radeon card for $10 but I'd probably peeked inside a hundred thrift store PCs before I bought it.

>> No.4644615

Well, pricing and parts availability really depends on region.
In my case:
MSI bx-master + slocket = 7USD
PIII@133 850Mhz = 3USD
two sticks of SDRAM PC-133 (CL2) = 4USD
Voodoo3 3000 AGP = 5 USD
Vortex2 soundcard = 5 USD
Seagate 40gb hdd = 2 USD
Teac cd-writer = 3 USD
Generic ATX case = 5 USD
3com network adapter, SB32 (aka AWE64 value with ram slots), some noname all-copper cpu heatsink and fancy ass rounded cables for free

>> No.4644658

Better hold on to that board, it sells for anywhere from $150-$500

>> No.4644684

Yeah, I see that now that I was looking on eBay for a pic of one. I've had pretty good luck in all my thrifting. God help me if the house ever burns down and I have to itemize all this junk let alone get an adjuster to take me seriously.

>> No.4644770

Wow and they only cost at least 5x what I built contemporary but higher spec one for late last year!

What a bargain!

>> No.4644771

LGR is pretty shit though he is at least useful for curing insomnia with his super soothing voiceover.

>> No.4644820

I've been doing this with a Dell Optiplex GX260 I had lying around, it works well besides some DOS games that run too fast

>> No.4646119

Just install Win ME on my PIII rig. How fucked I'm in terms of retro gaming?
Yeah, I know I can just roll with Win98SE, but ME holds a lot of nostalgia for me.

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Am I going to have problems with win 95/98 titles if I use a GPU from say 2003?

>> No.4646304

I dont remember how WELL they ran but I used to run vidya on Win ME. It ran ut99, vice city, baldurs gate and I never got a p4 until I was like 20 so I I guess it did run games well

>> No.4646613

Me is literally worse than 8

>> No.4646624

Have you tried installind win98 on VM then manually upgrading win98 to xp inside VM. I got alot of shit working doing that, mostly gp32 and gba hacking though.

>> No.4647567

Yeah I just use a virtual machine

>> No.4647572

doesn't work for certain games which require 3d hardware

>> No.4647629

I like to roll out my IBM Aptiva now and again for nostalgia

>> No.4647981

>tax return
>not claiming 2 exemptions to break even

>> No.4648661

Nah, you'll be fine.

>> No.4648667

Never would have thought to try that at all, is there any reason I would want to upgrade from Win98 to XP instead of just installing XP directly?

Also, what VM software did you use?

>> No.4649150

Not all anon. Some of us have desires to use every version of every Quake editor, including many of the obscure ones from 1996. VMs don't cut it as Direct3d 3.0 isn't working in a virtual environment, it needs to be on the hardware itself.

>> No.4649436

Afaik, if you could get all the correct drivers it worked fine.

I used it a lot on my old AMD K6-2 system, really never had any issues whatsoever.

>> No.4650437

got an fx5900 its much better than the radeon 9000
120fps in hl and ut99 now no slowdowns its great

>> No.4652793

Would a 2D accelerator card like the S3 Trio routed into an MPEG card like the ReelMagic, into a 3DFX Voodoo2 card create the best gaming setup?

>> No.4652878

unless you need a 3dfx, no

>> No.4652882

where the fuck can you get a voodoo 3 for 5 bucks? Or did you bought it like 10 years ago

>> No.4652890

only the Voodoo matters, why would you bother with the other junk

>> No.4652957

it REALLY depends on what you want to play

>> No.4652995

Maximum 2D compatibility and quality under DOS? Same for FMV sequences?

Come on lad, use your loaf.

>> No.4653015

S3 Savage would do both of those things pretty well, as well as Direct3d

>> No.4653018

is it possible that Voodoo 1 is not compatible with VIAKT133 chipset? Because both of my cards glitch out on it under 400Mhz celeron

>> No.4653024

I'm not sure if the cards are broken or should I get yet another mobo to test them

>> No.4653038

for Win98se its great to get a USB 2.0 card, and pendrive drivers, so you can run iso files from the memory stick with old version if deamon tools

>> No.4654557

Actually this might be a problem since early kt133s are known for their comparability quirks.

>> No.4654573

i wanna talk about this
what the fuck is "routing" a video card?
what would be the ideal win98 setup--nvidia 6800?

>> No.4654609

so would hl1 run better in actual win 98 than xp is there even a difference?

>> No.4654643

Back then MPEG cards and 3D accelerator cards had video input ports.

>> No.4654649

there would be zero difference
if you're going to build a retro machine just to play things that run perfectly fine on Windows 10 then don't

>> No.4654650

no i literally hoard pcs and i have all kinds

>> No.4654682

>what would be the ideal win98 setup--nvidia 6800?
6800 is a nice card with a lot of features finally working the way they are meant to (like texture compression and filtering), besides it's AFAIK the last native AGP card and the fastest GPU supported by Win98.
BUT... well, good luck find a working AGP 6800.
Probably the best top of the line option would be something like GF4 ti line or even GF4 based Quadra cards. Fast and sturdy.

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Don't die thread. There's so much good information I need from here. It'll be a bit, but I am slowly getting closer and closer to building the J-win98SE machine and enjoying some sweet games.

Many at the food establishment I work at see the handwriting. If you can, please don't doxx me. I am already miserable enough flipping burgers there. Just be smug with the knowledge that your cook posts on 4chan and you have leverage such that I will not tamper your food.

I don't qualify for that. Getting a return is already a happy enough event for me. It got me those computer parts already, and I hope with next year's return I can get a case, the cables, power source, and hard disks to complete the J-Win98SE project. I also need to get a keyboard and mouse too, but maybe I can find an adapter to use the ones I got from my daily driver computer.

I wanted to get a 6800 AGP, since the drivers seem to allow that on 98. However the prices are really ridiculous, but the fx 5900 was not. Would a fx 5900 not have the features finally working the way they are meant to?

>> No.4654996

>Would a fx 5900 not have the features finally working the way they are meant to?
Just disable texture compression in games and you should be fine.
Other than that it's totally fine GPU, even supports some legacy features (only handful of games use). Go for it.

>> No.4655053

so i'm gonna blow another 10euro$+shipping on a intel 440lx board with cpu and ram
wish me luck

>> No.4655060

in something like a voodoo 1 or 2 you have to have a 2d video card and you plug the cable from the video card to the 3d card and from the 3d card to the monitor
with a separate MPEG card you would have to do the same, but many later video cards had MPEG decompression included

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>sir we are almost done designing this board, and we have space above the pci slots. Should we put an AGP bus there?
>nah, just put an AMR there, its the future
thanks gigabyte

>> No.4655138

Do dual cpu boards work "ok" on windows 98?

>> No.4655153

Just use MagicDisc for win98, idk why you retards always insist on using Adwaretools. It’s absolutely free and just werks, no need for muh old version.

Same for WinCDEmu

>> No.4655175

whats the difference? I don't have internet in the computer anyway

>> No.4655186

It’s just lighter on memory and simpler for me, and I don’t have to go and get an old version. There’s a link directly to a win98 version on their website. You can also mount like 8 drives, not sure why you would want to do more than let’s say 4 at a time at best, but the feature is there. Not sure what daemontools does.

>> No.4655197

I'm not sure if I've ever seen a AMR slot used ever. And this includes me doing IT work for many years. I have no idea of what Intel's intent was with it since it offers zero benefit over the PCI bus.

>> No.4655201

They work just fine, but Win98 is NOT smt aware, so it will only see one CPU. You have to have WinNT to make utilization of the second CPU.

>> No.4655369

The old versions of Deamon that work on 98 are not infested with adware, thats later versions when the company decided to get mad sketchy. This was also in the days where Deamon defets disc protections way WAY better then any other pieces of virtual mounting software, and while it's not 100% necessary it is nice not having to find old cracks from places like GameCopyWorld when Deamon does the job already.
Also WinCDEmu only works on XP and above.

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y'all need to learn how to use virtual machines instead of bleeding out your money on archaic hardware

>> No.4655570

i want casuals to leave

>> No.4655594

at least its not dosbox

>> No.4655596

>Bleeding out your money
Going to a computer recycling place and spending $50 on a few towers that they were going to crush and recycle isn't that much money. I've built 4 PCs out of the lot I picked up.
I've done tons of virtualization and emulation for old PC shit, but real hardware is just more reliable+responsive.
Nice taste in vidya btw

>> No.4655616

If my room wasnt so small then I would've shelled out some money for old pentium 3 machines

old koei games were gems man

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idk man i swear people here have unlimited space or something. i have other hobbies and cant have consoles and pcs and crts everywhere. it sucks but that's how it goes.

>> No.4655778

A later Pentium 4 with 2MB of cache is actually very capable due SpeedStep. At slower multipliers and cache disabled it runs extremely slow, roughly at 486 speeds. At full performance it can run the games that aren't CPU-bound extremely well.

>> No.4655794

This is so identical to the reply I started formulating in my mind earlier it made me question my memory

>> No.4655949

My Windows 98 PC is the same one my family grew up with which was a Dell Dimension with a P3 1ghz Processor and 256mbs of RAM. I see people in this thread saying that is too much, but I never had problems with this machine.

>> No.4656701

I got couple of consoles and tow mid-towers connected to a single display. An I even got some space for additional keyboard or graphic tablet and a coffee cup. I know it's not ideal, but I'm absolutely fine with it.

>> No.4656981

Will a v7700ti/64m work well with win95/98 games?

>> No.4656992

Seems to be a Geforce 2 GTS
Would work fairly well with up to Dx7 games. Those cards were decent back in the day.
If you want awesome performance for the same or cheaper even, get any GeForce FX card, even the 5200s. They sucked super bad for the new Dx9 games at the time so they had a bad rep, but they're fantastic for Dx1-8 and OpenGL. Also they're the last cards to support palatalized textures which a few games need to look correct, and they also have a really good VGABIOS so DOS compatibility is really good.
A good way of getting one NEW is from AliExpress actually. Look up "Geforce FX 5500", they're actually 5200s but rebranded because its AliExpress and half of the shit on there is bootlegs. But if you go that route you get a brand new card for ~$25. Just try to get one with a 128bit memory bus if you can.

>> No.4657000

Already picked one up at a flea market for €1, it's a GeForce 2 ti card, so it is 128 bit. I'm just wondering if I should just sell it online (seems to be worth something) or to keep it for a future build.

>> No.4657001

Keep it.
They're not worth /that/ much but they have fantastic compatibility.

>> No.4657080

It was used for modems IIRC, I had some of them in this format. We just trashed them all brand news since there were of no use.

>> No.4657086

i wish those freaking chinks would stop fucking around and started making new 3dfx cards

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the cards in question

>> No.4657106
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now with 3d deceleration

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posting one of my PCs so the thread lives

>> No.4658520

>diamond voodoo graphics
Is this a ss7 mobo? Also, you should probably do some cable management.

>> No.4658618

>they're actually 5200s but rebranded because its AliExpress and half of the shit on there is bootlegs.
That's NVIDIA chinking you, not the actual chinks. The FX 5500 was just a slight refresh of the FX 5200 with higher clocks.

>> No.4658627 [DELETED] 

i remember montezumas revenge was actually amazing graphics for its time but it said fuck you you need voodoo2. there were two modes might have been directx3d or voodoo you could choose, voodoo was the upscale. i think i could finally get it to work with directx3d cuz only neckbeards had voodoo cards, it was kind of like mario in first person, i think there were some basic physics which for its year was cool, kind of like tresspasser maybe. also like tomb raider

>> No.4658630

i remember montezumas revenge was good graphics for its time but it said fuck you you need voodoo2. there were two modes might have been directx3d or voodoo you could choose, voodoo was the upscale. i think i could finally get it to work with directx3d (only neckbeards had voodoo cards) it was kind of like mario in first person, i think there were some basic physics, kind of like tresspasser maybe. also like tomb raider

>> No.4658883

You’re thinking of montezumas return, not revenge.

>> No.4658930
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Trying to install this on my Win98 box, but whenever it comes to the part where it tries to copy the sound files it throws a couple errors and I have to CAD out.

Drive is a FAT32 80GB IDE, I tried to download a preinstalled version but it also throws an error when I try to copy the files from my NAS to the 98 Box. (yet I can unpack it fine in Win7 here)

Am I missing some sort of language pack here? KOF is pretty Japanese and the readme reads like a 9 year old wrote it so I suspect a shoddy translation/port job by the people who ported it.

Any tips?

>> No.4658941

You /may/ be able to fix it by installing the Japanese language files for Win98 (search for "JAMONDO") but this may not work since Win98 is hardcoded for ANSI only. If you'r'e not on the Japanese code (Japanese Win98 is required for this) page it will fuck up with rendering text which can fuck up with pathing for installers.
You actually need Win 2000 or later to run some old Japanese software without installing the Japanese version of the OS.
Recently got a 3 pack ISO of the Valas games for Windows but couldn't install them either on Win98 for the same reason.

>> No.4658946

no it's s370, this one to be exact>>4655071

>> No.4659301


It's weird as fuck, the game is apparently an English release so I don't understand why this is happening.
I got the game from isozone but the replies there don't mention this at all, so either people there never tried it or I'm just missing something.

I guess most people try to install these games on their current Win7/10 computers and don't bother with old computers.

But I'll look into that JAMONDO thing, I boot my C drive from a compact flash card so if it doesn't work I can put back a backup under 5 minutes.

>> No.4661197

Bumping a nice thread.

>> No.4661203

Best game that rubs good on it is doom 1 and doom 2 hell on earth

>> No.4661531

>Pentium 4 wasn't even good when it was released
>housefire on par with the fastest Pentium IIIs at best, was completely raped by the Athlon 64
>all these people recommending it
What? For an ultimate Windows 98 build why wouldn't you just get a modded Tualatin Pentium III?

>> No.4661586

That would probably be wiser since you could use a P3 motherboard that's sure to have hard compatibility with DOS and 98. I didn't recommend doing what I did by any means but it does crush it.

>> No.4662585

what about linux wine? it has direct3d support. anything i cannot run in windows 7 i find i can run in linux wine

>> No.4662661

>The Pentium III can be expensive because they are more sought after. Everyone wants to get rid of their Pentium 4 machines, so they are very cheap.
>Later Pentium 4 models (Prescott2M or Cedar Mill) are leaps and bounds superior to the Pentium III in performance.
>Onboard SATA and USB 2.0. Your motherboard might even have Gigabit Ethernet.
>Athlon64 has a huge power draw on the +5V instead of the +12V, so it can be hard to find a PSU for them.

The Socket 775 Pentium 4 is in my opinion the best option for a Windows 98 machine that is 'legacy free' for the lack of a better word. You won't have to worry about old HDDs or PSUs in your build and most modern coolers still support socket 775. If you get a later revision Cedar Mill, you're looking at only 65W of heat. It is cheap and gets the job done.

>> No.4662969

>why wouldn't you just get a modded Tualatin Pentium III
Low soldering skills and I do not want to fucked my only working slocket.

>> No.4662971

It's worth remembering that the earliest P4s are actually barely able to match the latest P3s in performance. Just something to keep in mind when component shopping.

>> No.4662975

>Athlon64 has a huge power draw on the +5V instead of the +12V
I'm pretty sure you are talking about socketA/462 Athlon family.

>> No.4663090

What needs to be modded on a Tualatin?

>> No.4663570

simcopter1 is the best for curing insomnia. i don't sleep well on nights he isn't streaming

>> No.4663723

I just used a Lin-Lin Tualatin Socket 370 adaptor in an MSI MS-6905 slotket to run my Tualeron 1400 in a 440BX mobile.

It's pretty slick but those parts took some tracking down, let me tell you.

>> No.4663725



>> No.4665559

Post most beautiful beige cases.

>> No.4665573

I'm not an expert but Intel wanted people to buy Pentium 4's instead so they crippled the platform, it only works on certain motherboards and has some memory issues. You can force them to work on the 440BX chipset but it looks kinda hard, probably easier to just buy one off of ebay.

>> No.4666310 [DELETED] 

My P2-450 died and my Voodoo 3, but locks up my oldest machine, a Pentium 4 630. Is it because of overheating due the fast CPU?

>> No.4666323

My P2-450 died and my Voodoo 3 (worked fine on my P2) regularly locks up my next oldest machine, a Pentium 4 630. Is it because of overheating due the fast CPU?

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not necessarily beautiful but still beige

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-pulled out the S3 ViRGE DX and now it uses integrated chip
-replaced Sound Blaster Vibra C with a labway a151 a00 with OPL3-Sax chip
-added a PCI USB 2.0 card

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the hoard of spares grows

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Enlight a best

>> No.4669356

>many of them will work on Windows 10 with a patch or other adjustments
I like how you say many and not all. Even with GoG you still got a shitload of games that either don't run or they don't run very well on modern systems. Blood Omen 1 for example, there's a workaround but not only is it pretty fucking fishy but you can't even do something as simple as run the game in a window at a smaller resolution. Meanwhile you put that game in 98 and it doesn't need to be fucked around.

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A lot of games that do have a GoG version also usually have pretty poor compatibility anyways despite how plug and play their packages are supposed to be. You'd be pretty assed if they even fix it at all.

>> No.4669378

>metaljesusrocks at the very top

>> No.4669387
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Dell Dimension XPS-series aka Umax SuperMac cases are dope. Unfortunately not really that convenient to work with.

>> No.4669650

Will it matter if I buy parts from European places and use them in the US? I know some euro sites actually sell old computer part shit on the cheap making them a good resource, but I don't want to go for it if that shit is gonna blow up in my face because it doesn't like being used by a free country.

>> No.4669749

You gonna be fine. Just do not buy hard drives and PSUs.

>> No.4669779

Also watch out for graphics cards, some may have PAL restricted output

>> No.4669975

Not a big problem actually. Only if you going to use a TV screen.

>> No.4670271

what are you currently playing on you retro PCs? I've been playing SW X-Wing Alliance and Unreal Tournament(with bots) lately

>> No.4670984

Hey guys, I got a Matrox G400 in my Win98 computer (1ghz 512Mb Aureal Vortex 2 / Voodoo2 in SLI)
and whenever I play a simple game like Balls of Steel (pinball game) the screen tends to pause here and there, which is extremely annoying in a game like this.

What could cause this? is the Matrox broken? too much RAM?
It's a clean system with hardly anything running in the background except for sound/video/network stuff.

>> No.4671231

buy pc
install windows 98


>> No.4671850

I've set up Thief: The Dark Project in software mode for max comfiness

>> No.4671858

try changing slots, see if it persists

>> No.4671887

Oldest thing I have on hands is duron1.1 with mx400, so Age of Empires and Max Payne, ethernet adapter is yet to arrive so something like brutal doom can wait. Does fiddling with win95 in dosbox count?

>> No.4671903

If you're gonna do windows stuff setting up a VM would work a lot easier and better.

>> No.4671919

This is the case when you go for XP or later, but when you need some specific soundcard or video accelerator emulation, dosbox offers S3 and sb16 with proper IRQs and shit, guest addons are not that compatible with games

>> No.4671942


>Voodoo3 3000 AGP = 5 USD

No way can you get a Voodoo card that cheap

>> No.4671960

Not that anon but I've scored multiple 12MB Voodoo 2s for that price.

Voodoo 3s have been running roughly twice where I am, guess I haven't been so lucky with them.

>> No.4671967

Watch metaljesusrocks episode where he builds a totally kick ass 90s gaming pc, the guy is an expert on pc gaming and has a huge big box pc game collection full of hidden gems, he also used to work at Sierra so he knows his stuff

>> No.4671973

I'd rather recommend LGR, his builds are more balanced and dont try to grasp as much timeline as possible. Besides, what MJR wants to play runs perfectly without emulation or sometimes even gog fixes on win10. For crying out loud, he's running win98, and its stuff is way past the point where you'd need special hardware today.

>> No.4672060

Some dud sold is as generic AGP card with vague description. Not like it's a common thing in my region but you can get really lucky with this sort of people.

>> No.4672139

LGR is only a small step up from Meeetallljeeebussss in my book.

Try PhilsComputerLab for something more adult-orientated and in-depth.

>> No.4672146

Oh yeah and Victor Bart is a crazy Dutch dude worth checking out.

His retro builds are awesome.

>> No.4672151

The killer feature for me was using dedicated rig for each decade. Also because I'm more into actual hardware, not "muh gog collection" or "look at this normieware that's just 15 years old, that must be retro, right?" approach.

>> No.4672698

So I watched that PhilsComputerLab video on power supplies and 1st gen Athlons, does this mean anything before a Pentium 4/Athlon 64 will cause modern power supplies to struggle?

>> No.4672953
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>I've been playing SW X-Wing Alliance
This post doesn't do much for the thread but I just wanted to admit to you that this is literally my favourite game ever and I can't wait to get set up to play it properly again.
Good for you anon!

>> No.4673645

I recently discovered his channel. Man I'm into bara now.
>does this mean anything before a Pentium 4/Athlon 64 will cause modern power supplies to struggle
AFAIK only slot-a/socket-a demand this strong +5V line.

>> No.4673654

Just use a virtual machine like virtual box or qemu men

>> No.4673667

Can you underclock a more modern PC and install windows 98 on it?

>> No.4673741

> virtual box
Crappy video drivers, vmware master race
> qemu
Literally has 4mb for displaying basic windows forms, even less driver support, better suited for PCI passthrough when you want to play crysis on linux host.

>> No.4673884

Virtualization is wonky on anything earlier than XP generally.

>> No.4673923

i had a pci soundcard in 1995, music and sound worked on every dos game only a few you would need to restard in dos, just get a soundblaster for compatibility

>> No.4674135

Win98 with KernelEx was good actually

>> No.4674167

thanks, I'm playing it with a logitech wingman 3d hooked to SB Live card

>> No.4674869

The biggest issue would be RAM, soft cap is 512MB and hard cap is 2GB. Also the driver situation would be fucked. Every new CPU is compatible with DOS, Windows is another story.

>> No.4675292

i was able to successfully boot windows 98 on my overclocked core 2 duo 3,5 ghz. cpu clock is not a problem unless you're running windows 95/98 first edition

>> No.4675713

Win98 boots fine on Ryzen cpus

>> No.4675737

Would these be compatible with each other?
586 MMX 233 CPU FV80503233, 15-Inch CRT, Windows 98SE, RAM 256 MB, dvd-rom+ 3.1/2" & 128 GB, Matrox Millenium II 16MB PCI & 2x3dfx Voodoo2, Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold, Gigabyte GA-5AX (rev. 5.2) Socket 7 max RAM 768mb AGP/PCI/ISA

>> No.4675919
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I have that exact same joystick
You're my favourite anon

>tfw can't set up and play multiplayer with you

>> No.4675935

>web search for motherboard model
>check specs / user manual for compatibility
>search for drivers for each part for the planned operating system

>> No.4675945

Should be fine but I'd maybe look at getting a K6/3+ CPU and a different 2D graphics card.

Motherboard looks super nice though.

>> No.4675987

>Matrox Millenium II 16MB PCI & 2x3dfx Voodoo2, Sound Blaster AWE64 Gold, Gigabyte GA-5AX
Ah, a man of exquisite taste.

>> No.4676090

128GB HDD seems excessive and I don't know how WIn98SE is gonna like it, otherwise this setup should be a blast

>> No.4676103

I'll blast some eyeballs in your honor

>> No.4676106


Was't the limit 137gb?
I put a 160gb in mine with a 136gb partition on it.

>> No.4676125

Is it possible to connect two different models of Voodoo 2 in SLI? Like a Diamond Monster II and an Orchid Righteous II?

>> No.4676207

I think, with tweaked drivers, also see Fastvoodoo 2 4.6 driver.

>> No.4676209

Why a different 2D? Which one would be better?

>> No.4676212

Do you guys remember 2 Speakers around the MMX era? Gray in color, later came with Subwoofer (a big square thing). Sony or Phillips.

>> No.4676221

Why are you trying to copy a bunch of shitty youtubers?

>> No.4676232

Nostalgia is a mighty thing

>> No.4676246

>getting a Win98 PC is copying youtubers
what, they patented that shit or something?

>> No.4676267

>Be aware some 95-98 games require an exact cpu speed.
Dude I'm like a underclocking champion.

>> No.4676280

You may run into incompatibility issues with certain DOS games. That said if you're sticking exclusively to a Windows environment you're golden.

THAT said, I ditched my SLI setup for a Voodoo 3 3000 and never looked back. Freed up two card slots and cleaned up the backside of my rig into the bargain, with no appreciable loss of performance. The 2D image quality from that card is second to none, even compared to matrix offerings ;-)

>> No.4676281


>> No.4676289

voodoos in sli will hog IRQs and do every spastic thing you can't imagine

>> No.4676295

Well exactly.

It's "cool" to do the whole SLI thing but utterly obsolete as of 1999.

>> No.4676394

>Voodoo 3
So this is DOS fully compatibleÞ?

>> No.4676563

You can use GliDOS to run those games in Win98.

>> No.4676641

>Imperial training seems a bit lax!
Chalk up another one, brah

>> No.4676650

>Using the internet
Heh... another pewdiepie fan I see...

>> No.4676776


>Be me
>Restore my old systems
>Talk about it
>Youtubers realize its the next big thing
>I talk about it again

>> No.4677764

Do you have a disk activity light? Does it light up when it pauses? Matrox cards have some issues with Mode X games but Balls of Steel is a Windows game, so this shouldn't be an issue. If it isn't too much of a hassle, remove some RAM.

>> No.4677902

Not that anon, but I can't see what's wrong in doing things people do online. It's not like you do that to get attention, you do that for yourself because it looks fun. For me it was the same with SoC small computers, PCI passthrough in KVM, putting together guitar effect pedals, and now I've switched from 8bitguy to LGR and suddenly I've found money and platform to have fun for another couple of months. It's pure fun, we don't have to justify it, it's not like we'd get laid because we're so cool with our retro builds. "Look, girls, that guy's 486 has L2 cache! - OHMUGAWD I'M ALL WET"

>> No.4678415

Though Voodoo 2 is probably the most compatible Glide card of all. So there’s that.

>> No.4678417

>housefire on par with the fastest Pentium IIIs at best
That was only true for the P4s under 2ghz. Also, not really a big deal for retro games, but P4 SSE performance destroys P3. You can even feel it in some 2001/2002 games.

>> No.4678436

What are the "worst" retro CPUs then?

>> No.4678459

1.4ghz P4
Those cacheless Celerons
Pretty much every x86 CPU not made by Intel or AMD with rare exceptions
Early Pentiums slower than 75mhz (housefires and unreliable due to using ancient silicon node)
386SX and 486SX

If you want to go more retro, I remember the Motorola 68008 being really bad. A horribly castrated 68000.

>> No.4680063

>Pretty much every x86 CPU not made by Intel or AMD with rare exceptions
Cyrix would like a word with you.

>> No.4680110
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it would be p cool to own one of these

>> No.4680116

also tfw jalapeno got cancelled

>> No.4680348

The rare exceptions I was referring to was the occasional good Cyrix.

>> No.4680737

since we're on the subject of CPUs, I have a question
I have a mobo with s462(athlon socket) and it officialy only supports first gen cpus (Thunderbird core), can I stick a Athlon XP it there even though isn't listed as supported? XPs are much more common where I live

>> No.4680747

You probably have to flash the BIOS just like with modern mobos. If you can find the BIOS on the manufacturer's website that will probably work, although you'll need a Thunderbird in order to do it

>> No.4680771


>> No.4680965

jeszcze jak
I didn't realise that modecom is polish

>> No.4680969

I have a Duron 800mhz in the mobo so that wouldn't be an issue, just looking for upgrade

>> No.4680973

It is, though I did spot some of them and had one here in Romania.

Most of them are FSP, though mine must've been a earlier model since it was a very pimped up Deer/Allied that only needed new capacitors, but was otherwise pretty robust.

>> No.4680996

Until the late '90s, Cyrix had more hits than AMD.

>> No.4681015

Jesus christ, it must hurt to be so delusional you give out bad advice to people.

>> No.4681024

prove him wrong then

>> No.4681092

I have that case, although the 5.25 bays are different a bit. Mine houses a Duron 1GHz on a Fastfame 8VTAA motherboard (KT133 I think), 256MB RAM, Voodoo 3 3000 GPU, 350W Deer PSU, a 15GB Quantum HDD and a 52x LG drive very similar to the one in your picture, all running 98SE.

>> No.4681137

mine's is kind of similar- ECS K7VMA, Duron 800mhz, 512MB of ram, Radeon 9000 Pro,SB Live! Win98SE

>> No.4681146

wait, you mean the one on the left? That's my first case from 2003, still with me, but now it has newer components(not exactly modern though)

>> No.4681171

No, the beige one in the middle.

>> No.4681176

ok its this one>>4681137 if you're interested

>> No.4681190

Sounds nice, but I do hope you did recap the ECS MB. I had tons of these drop dead like flies from bad caps.

>> No.4681242

they aren't bulged or anything, should I replace them anyway?

>> No.4681252

>they aren't bulged or anything, should I replace them anyway?
Do it as soon as possible. There are guides on badcaps.net, a great site that teaches you about capacitors.

I actually saved an whole Slot A (yes, a Slot A machine!!) computer thanks to that site and their capacitor recommandations. Check it out and their forum, they show a lot of work done on motherboards, including the well known legendary ECS K7S5A. (I had one of these)

As for buying the caps, Digikey and Farnell (depending on where you are located) are your best friends for genuine japanese caps.

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you convinced me to tear the whole system apart, nothing better to do anyway

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the fan on the GPU is up for replacement too

>> No.4681383

in all honesty I don't have the caps now and this will have to wait- I've already spent way too much money on hardware this week

>> No.4681403

>legendary ECS K7S5A
what's so legendary about it

>> No.4681447

SiS 735 was a big deal back in the day and the K7S5A was a giant-slaying board for quite some time.

I certainly had one, running a Thunderbird Athlone 1ghz.

>> No.4681532

VOGONS was the first forum I ever joined, been almost 11 years now, it's good to know it's still around and working

>> No.4681537

they are great, I recommend Vogonsdrivers

>> No.4681543

I hope this thread stays alive for my first voodoo 2 to arrive

>> No.4682727

Why are voodoo cards super expensive compared to other win98 cards? Just the DOS compatibility?

>> No.4682734

Native Glide compatibility

>> No.4682812
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the future...

>> No.4682816

Check out metalsjesurock videos on the subjet he has a huge collection of bidg box pc games in his retro man cave and he is a true expert in pc gaming and worked as a programmer at sierra developing many of their motst popular games

>> No.4682865

No hes a poser

>> No.4682925

If there's one platform that benefits from emulation it's the x86 PC. Just DOSBox and PCem (for Win9x in particular) it. Guaran-goddamn-tee you'll bump into more issues on hardware, whether you're doing it right or not. Speak from decades of experience and "being there". Not to mention the benefits of key mapping and adjusting CPU speed to exactly how much a game needs.

>> No.4682990

But then you lose the whole satisfaction of getting it to run.

Also, in certain conditions, performance issues occur differently on real hardware. In an emulator like DOSBox, if any hiccup happens, the framerate just gets choppy. While on real hardware the game might still have a solid smooth framerate, but in turn the time slows down. This happens for example in 3Dfx games like Screamer 2 when there's a slow-down

>> No.4683064

Your porbably just jelouus of his huge game room and collection he even has a arcade cabitnet of mane

>> No.4683395
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They're cheap compared to this baddass multi GPU 3D card

>> No.4683681

>>Onboard SATA and USB 2.0. Your motherboard might even have Gigabit Ethernet.

are you sure you really want a retro PC

>> No.4683685

>Blood Omen

I once spent an entire weekend trying to get it to run on my Windows 8 machine. It was impossible. I could not get it to stop crashing on startup.

>> No.4684828

>Those cacheless Celerons
how bad exacly are we talking here? I will have one of those delivered this week

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Hey OP, you can give pic related a try
>VMs don't cut it as Direct3d 3.0 isn't working in a virtual environment, it needs to be on the hardware itself
Pic related

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Get on my level.

>> No.4685569

what is this?!

>> No.4685572


just a prank bro

>> No.4685713

They're great for overclocking:


>> No.4685751

You can use modern HDDs with SATA. They are quieter, faster, cheaper and more reliable than IDE drivers.
USB 2.0 is fully backwards compatible and speeds up installing systems from USB tremendously.
Gigabit Ethernet is very useful for copying software over a network share.

They're not necessary, but very nice to have.

>> No.4685776

You can get all of those through PCI expansion cards

A IDE+SATA 1.5Gbps RAID controller card, a Gigabit Ethernet card and a USB 2.0 card all costed me about $20 total

>> No.4685845

>They are quieter, faster, cheaper and more reliable than IDE drivers.
>USB 2.0 is fully backwards compatible and speeds up installing systems from USB tremendously.
USB 2.0 is indeed a big advantage but with ethernet adapter you can transfer files just as fast and installing Windows form optical media actually easier.

>> No.4685861

> Debatable
That is, of course, random, but really, how many IDE drives survived untill 2018 in quiet, fast and reliable state, not covered in bad sectors? Not to mention cf cards being ten times easier and cheaper to come by, or even modern sata ssds if you have a spare one.

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I just ordered 10 CF + IDE to CF adapters because I didnt want to shell out 80 euros for an old ass HDD for my 386 and hope it gets here in a working state. Hope the CF works.

I also have a couple Disk on Modules I was hype to try but they dont boot and I dont know the bios parameters for them if theres any at all.

>> No.4685886

Thoughts on using modern data storage like SD 'harddrives' and such instead of original hdds?

>> No.4685894

I know I could just use the 80GB IDEs with EZ-Drive but I wanted to keep those for the later PCs

>> No.4686280

>how many IDE drives survived untill 2018 in quiet, fast and reliable state, not covered in bad sectors?
Well my 40gb ATAIV runs just fine, and so do pair of 20 gig spinpoints. Couple of really slow parts here and there but really nothing to worry about.
And my old trusty WD Blue 320GB for 2k9 on the other hand is one loud son of a bitch and trough 3 or 4 years I got rid of 3 dead SATA Hitachi drives (2 of them go dead within a 6 month).

>> No.4686351

Holy shit, that's from the same guy who made the replica Bitchin' Fast 2000. At least the fans are real!

>> No.4686660

>no Trident 3D Blade

>> No.4686668

my 40gb maxtor fireball
my 20gb samsung
I also have new-old stock 120 Seagate in my PS2

>> No.4686679

You might not believe me, but I just found my mom's old NEC desktop pc and it was installed w/ Windows 98 on it. I can look into it and try to tell you some stuff you might need to build one of your own if you would like.

>> No.4686747

As I said, getting them onboard is a plus.

>> No.4686950

>You might not believe me, but I just found my mom's old NEC desktop pc

>> No.4687721

So if I can't get a good voodoo what's a the next best alternative and what would the downsides be? Because I could get a Geforce 5200 AGP for like $15, compared to the cheapest voodoo 1 which starts at $70+ and only hikes further with better cards in that line.

>> No.4687814

If you want to play all non-glide games, a NVIDIA card. If you want speed, ATI. ATI cards lack some features, such as some OpenGL extensions and support for 8-bit palletized textures.
Even a later low end cards such as the Geforce 4 MX 4000 (actually a Geforce 2) is leaps and bounds faster than the faster Voodoo.
A Geforce 5200 is actually pretty decent. It is fast enough for Windows 98 games and it can run nGlide if you really need to.

>> No.4687954

>compared to the cheapest voodoo 1 which starts at $70+
Dude what

That's like Voodoo 3 starting price, 1s and 2s cost next to nothing

>> No.4688185

>So if I can't get a good voodoo what's a the next best alternative and what would the downsides be?
Go for Voodoo3 2k/3k AGP or even Banshee. There is a big chance you can get one under 15 USD, mostly because most of sellers think it's some kind of ATI rage card.
>Geforce 5200 AGP for like $15
U w0t m8? This piece of crap costs a bottle of really cheap beer.
>That's like Voodoo 3 starting price
Probably for PCI version, thanks to amiga fans.

>> No.4688324

I'd go with a Pentium 3, Celeron CPU or an AMD K7 as a starting point. Probably go with a Voodoo 3 or Geforce 2 graphics card.

>> No.4688406

Still, cf cards or sata ssds are less strain for old-ass psu, have higher random 4k speeds and are cheaper if you build from scratch. personally I wouldn't bother with them, I have a couple in working condition, but they are a bitch to use.

>> No.4688427

> personally I wouldn't bother with them
With the hard drives, that is.

>> No.4688445
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>Go for Voodoo3 2k/3k AGP or even Banshee. There is a big chance you can get one under 15 USD, mostly because most of sellers think it's some kind of ATI rage card.
Maybe some years ago you could but even AGP cards received rising reseller prices on the internet. Blame the recent wave of youtube fucks making a shitload of videos about voodoo being "rare" and "vintage" for 3dfx going up even higher nowaday. I don't blame people trying to get around them, other 90's cards are cheap as dirt but voodoos are still pricey enough to be half the build's cost.
Even that faggot linus did some videos which are even worse because he gave false information saying that every voodoo card, not just the 5, are incredible finds and worth hundreds today. He has such a punchable face I swear.

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*vomits uncontrollably*

>> No.4689146

type "3dfx" in ebay search, then come back

>> No.4689152

that's 3dImage which was really shit, next model was 3d blade which was cheap and basic(and slow), but it at least worked properly
I have it integrated in one of my mobos

>> No.4689161
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here it is

>> No.4689998

Pretty late card - looks to be from Febuary - March 1999, after 3Dfx became the sole board manufacturer for their Voodoo products.
8 or 12MB?

>> No.4690452

Nice score m8.

>> No.4690849
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new PIII mom got me

>> No.4691086

You know the rules. Post tit~ I mean guts.

>> No.4691318

it's an A-Trend Helios, 12 megs
thanks senpai

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Bumping with some fap content.

>> No.4692887

>Not even 60fps

>> No.4692889

I haven't seen somebody ghetto rig a front intake fan like that since 2002

>> No.4692916
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> Unreal 1 Intro with Music HD 1080p

>> No.4692963

To play ALL GOG game, you would need at least a rig old enough to run WinXP and hardware of that era. And even then you might have issue due to duo cores and some games designed to run with VooDoo GPUs.

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gpu is a geforce 4 mmx 440 64mb

>> No.4692978

I live in singapoor. In a small apartment. I can't really afford to collect bulky old wares. I even gave up on collecting 2nd hand CD albums. As for finding hardware cheap. Not in singapoor, they're either non-existent or you have to shop online with ebay prices and crazy shipping fees. Or they don't even ship to singapoor. The amazon warehouse in singapoor only sells fucking groceries for example.

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more mobo

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it works

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>> No.4693015

Not bad. GPU is a bitch tho. Not like mx series is a bad thing, but Palit cards are really unreliable.

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>> No.4693064

Had a Princeton monitor, made a funny glong sound when i pressed the Degauge. Princeton AGX740 - CRT monitor - 17", can't find a video of it online not even a photo. Just some vague 120x120 crap.

>> No.4693065

Do you know what model is that Princeton?!

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That's so good

>> No.4693327

now just what exactly would you want to install windows me on your computer for, anon?

>> No.4693726
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Isn't WINE notorious for being buggy? If I am correct, Thief: The Dark Project requires NewDark to work properly. I am a bit of a traditionalist and like to use the 1.14 original release.

Linux is also not a very good ideal, since dual boot can be notoriously unstable. I think I rather have separate designated computers than risk a Linux/Windows mix.

So it might be good for a second computer, but at that point you might as well have an older build PC alongside your modern one. The main benefit would be for video recording and other such functionality; I like to archive game footage.

As wrappers can fix Thief on Windows, it might be a better ideal, but old Direct3d files I have been unable to get working.

For example, the original version of WorldCraft cannot run on anything modern. By modern, I mean anything Windows NT, including Windows XP. VMs can't run it due to lack of hardware acceleration.

Would be nice to get a Linux build dedicated for stuff like this. But to do that would require a second computer unless I wish to gamble with an unstable boot that could corrupt my OS. If I go a second computer, it makes sense to go for one with Windows 98SE. When the choice is between risking a computer build that will maybe be able to run it and a computer build that will most likely run it, I think the latter makes more sense.

Except DOSBox Daum is highly buggy. You can't use Dynamic cycles, which means it can barely run Quake on anything more than the default resolution.

If you know how to work around this, please share, I have been trying with this particular limitation for a while. I use OBS for video capture and desktop resolution screenshots, but it seems OBS doesn't like to hook up with regular DOSBox, meaning I am stuck on Daum.

>> No.4693831

>I use OBS for video capture and desktop resolution screenshots, but it seems OBS doesn't like to hook up with regular DOSBox, meaning I am stuck on Daum.
Fraps works alright until the resolution changes while recording. then Daum crashes usually. Otherwise it works better than the built in DOSBox recording. It should work with regular DOSBox as well, if not more stable actually

>> No.4693904

WINE has problems with newer software. It tends to run older software better than recent versions of Windows.

I highly recommend that you don't use DOSBox for Windows 98 at all.
PCem is the best solution if you need 3D hardware (it supports Voodoo 2 SLI) and Microsoft Virtual PC if you don't.

>> No.4694784

Going to pull the trigger on nvidia quadro dcc.
How fucked I am?

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>> No.4694879

you even fucked up your question's grammar

>> No.4694910

are those even meant for gaming? I think I have a couple, never tried though.

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Due to a firing and someone leaving, I get to work 5 days a week now, so my next paycheck in two weeks I will have $100 more dollars to play with. I was thinking of adding onto what I already have in >>4640714 and getting one of those 500GB hybrid hard drives with a SATA to IDE converter. However, I think Windows98SE is limited to 128GB HDDs, so would partitioning that 500GB drive into 4 120GB partitions work or should it just be limited in Seatools to a single 120GB drive for it to work properly?

I am unsure if the owner can staff up in time for the foreseeable future, so maybe in another two weeks I can get a power source and case (and cables). Soon to attempt the JWin98SE build. Here's hoping.

>> No.4696761

You would be limited to 137GB/128GiB, any data over that, even if it's in different partitions would suffer data loss.

There are patches to make Windows 98's storage drivers support larger disks, but it's a bigger topic. Check https://msfn.org/board/topic/129027-big-hdd-48-bit-lba-thread-index/ if you're interested. Thee are free solutions, so only shell out of rloew's driver if you absolutely must.

>> No.4697017

That one aussie e-celeb that speaks english all retarded like did a video about being able to use a quadro for 98/DOS games, just not as good as a regular card.

>> No.4697590


I just made a 136GB partion on one of the many 160GB HDDs I had laying around.
Not like it was actually 160GB, more like.. 149? so that was no big loss.

>> No.4697635

you can install Windows 2000/XP on the space remaining after 120GB for quick and easy NTFS support, just make sure the Win9x will not try to use it: either use NTFS (which you should anyway for 2k/xp) so it ignores it, or use a bootloader (like XOSL) that can hide partitions when booting a system

>> No.4697765


Eh I don't care, I'm gonna build me a dedicated WinXP box this summer anyway.
I got so many parts left over.

>> No.4699447

I rarely have to use it, but once or twice I've found it useful to have a fast and a slow XP machine. My i5-3570k/GTX 960 XP machine some times has issues with a few games that my Pentium 4 630/FX 5500 runs perfectly. It might have to do with multithreading or the GPU.

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not even meant 2k/XP to drive the computer, just for easier maintenance and the few extra features 9x doesn't have, like NTFS support or more stable drivers to test a piece of hardware

there are basically no games that run only on XP but won't run on both 9x and a modern system (with a few fixes). if multi-threading is a problem, you can set the process affinity to use only a single core. you can do that with Microsoft Application Compatibility Toolkit, which can also install a bunch of other compatibility fixes, like skipping audio or hard drive space errors

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Thanks for a great answer. So I guess I will eventually have to get a 2nd HDD for the J-Win98SE machine and have a lot of wasted HDD space as the motherboard I got only has one ATA-100 port for hard disks.

Well, I have to get new HDDs as I don't have many spares lying around. Also I kind of want some modern parts like a power source and the HDDs for reliability, as I want to keep the machine going for a while.

Anyway, limiting the HDD space does save me from the question of "what was the last MAME32 that runs on Windows98?" So I guess it is a purely dedicated J-Win98 machine now.

>> No.4701990

I don't really recall what were the problems exactly, but I'd probably say graphics driver/GPU issues.

48-bit LBA is really easy to install. Just make sure you actually install Windows 98 on a small partition first, install the patch and then you should be able to use the rest of the drive.

While I'm into Japanese computers, it's mostly the pre-IBM compatible era, you got any game recommendations? You seem to have a sizable collection already. Where would you even find games (digitally, that is)? For the pre-IBM stuff, it's pretty easy, especially after kobushi made his packs.

>> No.4702041

>graphics driver/GPU issues
and nGlide/dgVoodoo did not help?
what games

>> No.4702047

They aren't Glide games, so no.
Splinter Cell and the sequel Pandora Tomorrow had some generalized light/shadow problems. I remember having trouble with Far Cry, but not what exactly.
Kind of a extremely specific issue, but Thief 1 and 2 wouldn't run without NewDark and I wanted to play some FMs that broke with the upgraded engine.

>> No.4702054

DgVoodoo2 has supported wrapping every DX version up to 8 for a long time now.

>> No.4702058

Huh. I haven't really kept up with DgVoodoo2 after getting 3dfx cards. Still, I have the actual hardware laying about, so even then it's not that useful for me.

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I am reading that site linked for that 48-bit LBA. It doesn't seem easy. As Case Four sounds most closest to how I'd want to tackle building the computer. Seems like I will have to modify the copy I got of J-Win98SE, so I'll have to look into registering ISOBuster or something. I'd probably should look into some community made service packs too, since I will not utilize any internet connectivity for my planned build. I have all these old Tokimeki Memorial screensavers, Evangelion desktop toys, Sentimental Graffiti calendars, Rurouni Kenshin background accessories, etc. to play with on old J-Windows.

However the 120GB partition for main JWin98SE install, and remainder of the 500GB SSHD dedicated to all the Win98 games I missed out on would be great. Harnessing the space from the rest of those drives, as I can have 2, does mean I also should look into what was the last version of MAME32 (before it went to MAMEUI) works on 98.

Unfortunately, at that time I was on Windows 2000 then later to XP and now 7. It is sad to see videos like "using Windows 7 in 2018" as if it is some ancient relic, but that's the lot I am stuck in. I missed out on 98/ME games. I played lots of DOS games, have many recommendations there, but Japanese games I only got the ones pictured in >>4654963 and >>4699730 just happen to be J-Win98 compatible also a bunch of eroge, lots of eroge ... and touhou shooting games. I am looking to see what else I should get into as well for this era.

>> No.4702274

>old-ass PC parts cost this much now

>> No.4702373

From my experience, those service packs are kind of useless if you're going to use your PC more or less like a console. They are more focused on bringing new features.

>modify the copy
If your motherboard can boot from USB, make a flash drive it DOS bootable through HP USB Support tool and a Windows 98 bootdisk, copy the WIN98 folder from the CD to the flash drive and you've pretty much got yourself an install CD.
It's not as finnicky as NT-based. To actually install, format your partition with "format /s", copy the win98 folder over to the HDD and boot from it to install.
If your motherboard can't boot from USB, just install Plop Boot Manager to a CD-ROM or floppy.

>> No.4702405

> They are more focused on bringing new features.
They also fix shitload of bugs and bring unexpected reboots from hourly to monthly schedule.