/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4630378]

ITT we appreciate Nintendo for creating the very first rpg

[Anonymous No.4630385]

ITT we appreciate Nintendo for creating the very first video game

[Anonymous No.4630387]

what do you get out of shitting up and spamming the board, op? is it revenge for not being able to discuss ps2 here or something?

[Anonymous No.4630389]

>>4630378
what game

[Anonymous No.4630394]

Honestly why make a post like this? What do you get out of it? Can't you do something more constructive with your time?

Reminding everyone that sage still works, in case you forgot

[Anonymous No.4630436]

>>4630378
Zelda is not an rpg. Everyone knows that the very first true rpg was Dragon Quest.

[Anonymous No.4630446]

The very first metroidvania on a portable system.
Groundbreaking.

[Anonymous No.4630447]

>>4630436
no the first rpg was pong because you play the role of a paddle

[Anonymous No.4630452]

Mario 64, the game that invented jumping

[Anonymous No.4630929]

>>4630436
DQ was the first Jrpg,I'm not sure which the first rpg is but Zelda isn't even the first arpg

[a real genuine nintendo fan No.4630987]

Nintendo managed to create the first creature capture AND virtual pet sim, how did they do it lads?

[Anonymous No.4630994]

Lots of talented developers who are truly passionate working at Nintendo, it's no surprise they came up with many great games, even if it devastates OP's rectum.

[Anonymous No.4631000]

Praise be Nintendo for inventing the First Person Shooter genre, which inspired one of the highest-grossing part of the videogaming industry with multimillion dollar gems of the likes of Halo and Call of Duty.

[Anonymous No.4631724]

This is the world's first loli, a creature that was conceived by Nintendo. For that Nintendo deserves endless admiration and resounding applause.

[Anonymous No.4631738]

> "trolling" a retro video game board
just think about that for a second... think about what op looks like irl.. lol!

[Anonymous No.4631746]

>>4630385
Let me tell you a story about magnavox sonny boy, take a seat grandpa’s billy.

[Anonymous No.4631797]

of course nintendo is going to be the first at nearly everything. while every other video game company started up in the 70's nintendo had already been in businesss nearly a century

[Anonymous No.4631804]

>>4630378
Say what?

[Anonymous No.4631826]

I used to call Zelda an RPG in the 90s. I didn't know much about the term and I wasn't familiar with Tabletop RPGs, and there was this misconception around the people in my environment that role playing meant being part of a cult and killing people IRL, so my parents weren't all that happy until they saw what it actually was. Somehow in my mind RPG meant any game that involved exploring, going into towns where there were enemies and talking to people while doing other stuff. None of this creating a character, leveling up or anything of the sort. Then I found out about Final Fantasy and some other games and that just ruined that.

/blogpost

In any case I always find it funny how people get so frustrated with the use of the term RPG these days.

[Anonymous No.4631884]

>>4631797

That's right, while pacman was just a twinkle in the eye of a random sperm cell in someone's nutsack, Nintendo was entertaining the ancient hawaiians with Donkey Kong, and all his friends.

[Anonymous No.4631889]

>>4631826
I remember a kid telling me Zelda had "Devil Worship" in it. I didn't understand what he meant, so of course I wanted to play it and find out. I only found out later that "playing the game" was an act of "devil worship"

I also remember my art teaching saying D&D was dangerous because some people got "too into it". I didn't know what that meant either until an episode of King of the Hill put it into context for me.

[Anonymous No.4632941]

I would like praise Allah for creating the first time travel game.

[Anonymous No.4632956]

A lot of you fucks are more retarded than usual.
D&D (the tabletop game) was the first RPG.
As for video games? Fucking Ultima. After that? Dragonstomper for the Atari 2600. Nintendo didn't make anything new. They only improved on other ideas.

[Anonymous No.4632964]

>>4632956

I don't even know who's trolling and who's being trolled anymore. This shit has too many layers for me.

[Anonymous No.4633325]

>>4630378

[Anonymous No.4633369]

>>4630378
>>4630385
Bait harder faggots.

[Anonymous No.4633385]

Useless thread delete

[Anonymous No.4633960]

>>4632956
Role playing predates DnD. DnD was just the first role playing game to have a rule set of extraordinary magnitude.

[Knuckles No.4634210]

>>4630378
FUCK NINTENDO
How could anybody like them when it's their fault Sega went out of business, whom made far better games?

[Knuckles No.4634215]

>>4634210
disregard that, I suck cocks

[Anonymous No.4634235]

>>4634210
>Sega went out of business
>OUT OF BUSINESS

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/57553/segas-profits-increase-421/index.html

they're doing very well for a company that's out of business. idiot.

[Anonymous No.4634251]

Did you know that the phrase “Nintendo” is said to refer to is「運を天に任せる」(“un wo ten ni makaseru”) or, as it’s often translated, “leave luck to heaven” or as “leave fate to heaven.”

[Anonymous No.4634264]

>>4634235
>An entire self-aware bait thread where everyone is playing along.
>then this guy shows up.

[Knuckles No.4634273]

>>4634264
I do actually hate Nintendo with a passion at least.

[Knuckles No.4634275]

>>4634273
and I love cocks

[Anonymous No.4635134]

>>4630987
This, actually, was also the first RPG

[Anonymous No.4635180]

>>4633960
>Role playing predates DnD.
Do you have fact to back this up, or are you including shit like improve stuff and historical reenactment as "roleplaying games". i.e shit people who don't like D&D call roleplaying games to so they can say D&D wasn't the first one.

[Liquid Nitrogen No.4635375]

>>4634210
>Sega
>Better games
Objective, wrong, and stupid.

[Anonymous No.4635412]

>>4632956
Wrong. RPG is a video game genre.
Tabletop games are obviously not video games and would not be subject to the same genres.
>RPG (Noun)
is not
>Role-playing(verb) game

It's possible both could apply to a game, except here there is no role-playing(verb) in Zelda. It goes into the Action-Adventure genre. Not to be confused with "Action" and "Adventure" in literature and film which are separate genres of the same name, and obviously mean something different because they literature and film are different mediums. But I'm explaining this to you all anyways because your English teachers are fuck ups and deserve their low income.

[Knuckles No.4635936]

the amount of dick that's been forced inside me is staggering

[Knuckles No.4636078]

>>4635375
Objectively right and smart.

[Anonymous No.4636750]

>>4630378
>He hasn't played tower of druaga

Is it that time of year already?

[Anonymous No.4636758]

>>4636750
The OP is joking. Hydlide was also a thing.

[Anonymous No.4636946]

>>4630378
>>4630378
I'll take "What is Dragon Warrior?" for 500 Trebek.

[Anonymous No.4636972]

>>4630378
>Nintendo for creating the very first rpg

Gamerfag who needs a gaming history lesson

[Anonymous No.4636975]

what are your favorite builds to play in Zelda, guys?

[Anonymous No.4637223]

>>4630378
> calling adventure games RPGs

[Anonymous No.4637226]

>>4630378
How did Nintendo do it lads.

[Anonymous No.4638535]

>>4631826
I knew a lot of people who wouldn't even consider Diablo a rpg. They said only stuff like baldur's gate or fallout were rpgs because of whatever reasoning I don't even remember.

[Anonymous No.4638916]

>>4637223
Right. It would be one thing to nitpick the semantics of the terms if there wasn't a clearly superior way to classify the game.

[Anonymous No.4639016]

>>4635412
Now this is advanced autism

[Anonymous No.4639570]

>>4630929
First RPG would be some mainframe game, like pedit5 or something. You put a bunch of dnd nerds on campus and first thing they will come up with is "can I turn this into a game?"

Bonus points because dnd can be represented mostly via text, and allows relatively exciting gameplay for a text-only terminal.

[Anonymous No.4639586]

>>4630378
First console to use a joystick, AND first to use analog joystick AND also the first to use a thumbstick! Nintendo are truly magnificent visionaries.

[Anonymous No.4639639]

>>4638916
It's not.
RPGs are games about choices. Narrative choices like being good or evil, or mechanical choices like becoming a wizard or a warrior... but choices. Meaningful choices and their consequences.

Meaningful choices are to many people synonymous with a good RPG.
Fallout 1 and 2 are known because player can make deep and meaningful choices in all aspects of the game. Chrono Trigger probably became so popular partially because early on it shows you that a bunch of random minor choices you made at the begining of the game actually mattered during the trial scene (which blew many people's minds).
Deus Ex allows players to modify narrative of the game in many subtle ways, like letting many NPCs die - or killing them yourself, and game reacting accordingly.
In Dragon Quest 3, entire opening section is a giant PARADE of choices meant to shape your character for the rest of the game, based on personality you want to roleplay and your gameplay preferences.
In Fire Emblem or Jagged Alliance, your action might result in pernament death of your soldiers... forever.
In Super Paper Mario, the game lets you REFUSE to save the world - and if you're insistent enough, the game will end.
The game would rather let you lose than disrespect your choices.
Even in Diablo, choice of your starting class will stay with you for the rest of the game. You can never make e.g. a Barbarian or a Warrior who will be as good at magic as Wizard or Sorceress of the same level. Even if basic - your choices have consequences.

THIS is what an RPG is. And in Zelda, you almost never make any meaningful choices that have any consequences.

You will never e.g. pick a class that will make you weak at melee combat, or ruin a friendship with a callous decision.

As such, Zelda is not an RPG. It takes a lot of elements from RPGs, for sure - but in itself is not one.

[Anonymous No.4639775]

>>4638535
But Diablo isn't an rpg

[Anonymous No.4639894]

>>4639639
>RPGs are games about choices.
This is a ridiculous oversimplification. Most games have choices. In Zelda you decide where to go and what to do next. You can do the dungeons in any order. Many of these decisions have far more consequences on how the rest of your game plays out than many choices in an RPG.

Zelda is an action-adventure game because that's what it feels like. It doesn't feel like an RPG despite featuring a permanent character-building mechanics, money and equipment purchasing, NPC characters, and a single interconnected world (rather than an abstract sequence of "levels" that was common for console games at the time). The reason is that the focus of the game-- what you spend the vast majority of your time doing-- is exploring new places, engaging in action combat, and discovering new places and items. That fits "action-adventure" more than any definition of RPG.

I am not going to elaborate on various definitions of RPG here, suffice to say that there's a lot more to it than being about choices.

[Anonymous No.4639993]

>>4635180
/tg/ here, there were roleplaying systems even before D&D, though they were mostly types of wargames such as Bodenberg. If you want an example that isn't historical re-enactment, the fantasy supplement for Chainmail, also made by Gary Gygax, certainly counts, and Chainmail itself had room for one-on-one combat that wasn't the usual mass melee.

[Anonymous No.4640417]

>>4639894
>Genres are distinguished by feelings
>More than one definition of RPG

How about you learn what these categories actually mean. Real time maneuvering and reaction skills - ACTION. Using tools to overcome environmental obstacles - ADVENTURE. It's ACTION-ADVENTURE (hyphenated) when you do those things simultaneous, as opposed to doing them apart.
Get it through your head, videogame genres are only concerned with gameplay. Story, graphics, music - none have that is going to change the genre. It's not a format. It's not an aesthetic. And It's not a camera angle.

When the gameplay is focused on character progression; that's an RPG.
How might using a Fire Rod be different in an Action-Adventure game vs an RPG?
In an Action-Adventure game you'd use the Fire Rod to burn a bush that's in the way.
In an RPG, the Fire Rod would be restricted to a certain class. The outcome is calculated based on the character's stats, which you spend the whole game developing.
Now, I know what you're thinking. There are lots of "RPGs" with key items that work just like the Adventure example I gave. But the wording here is using "RPG" as a collective noun in a synecdoche. Meaning you're using part of something (in the case the genre name) to refer to a bigger whole (the game). But it's wrong to think that all gameplay elements in a game are automatically part of that genre. The genre isn't literally the game. Duh.
Games are sort into genres by their primary gameplay.

It's like this, a coniferous forest might have a few deciduous trees. And maybe those deciduous trees are your favorite part. But you don't categorize things according to your willy-nilly subjective perceptions, do you? The forest is categorized by the make up of it's trees. Pure and simple. Just like a game is categorized into genres by the primary gameplay. It's a objectifiable discernible thing.

[Anonymous No.4640608]

>>4639993
>, though they were mostly types of wargames such as Bodenberg. If you want an example that isn't historical re-enactment, the fantasy supplement for Chainmail, also made by Gary Gygax, certainly counts,
From what I understood Chainmail was basically D&D 0e/alpha or whatever. I considered it D&D even if it didn't have the name.

War Games are table top games, but I'm not sure if they'd count as Role Playing Games. It would depend on how Bodenburg was structured/played I guess.

[Anonymous No.4640614]

>>4638535
It's funny because by association, Diablo seemed like a satanic game too so I couldn't touch that back then.

[Anonymous No.4640686]

>>4639570
PLATO was not text only and neither was pedit5.

[Anonymous No.4640741]

Long Live the Wizardry Series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIREmqej5MM

[Anonymous No.4640742]

>Genres are distinguished by feelings
They are. The details are always best-effort attempts to reverse-engineer intuition and explain why we feel the way we do.