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What are /vr/'s thoughts on Super Mario Bros. 2? I just started playing it, and it's certainly different from what I'm used to.

>> No.460313

I like it. It's fun. Completely different from the others, and easier as well, but still fun.

>> No.460359

Got it for my birthday in like 1988 or whenever it came out. Loved it. The totally new setting and gameplay was refreshing. I thik it was still my favorite Mario until World.

>> No.460381

I'm too young to know about the reaction to the game when it was released, so does any of the older /vr/ troopers have insight on the general consensus at the time? How did people generally feel about the different gameplay and style?

>> No.460383

THE PRINCESS CAN FLY, NIGGA

>> No.460418

>>460381

I'm also curious about this. I'm also curious about the reception of the original SMB2 in Japan, as well as Japan's reception to this game.

>> No.460756

>>460381

pretty sure SMB USA was regarded rather highly in Japan

>> No.460768

I really fucking hate anyone that shits on this game over the whole Lost Levels crap.

>> No.460776
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460776

When I was a kid I thought it was ass compared to SMB3. Don't think I ever finished it back then, either.

Now, I still think not-so-highly of it because they re-skinned a game instead of just giving us the real one. But that's just me being jaded more than anything else.

>>460768
And then there's this asshole.

But no, really. As a game, it's pretty good, I just would have rather had the actual SMB2, AS WELL as the original that this one was based off of.

>> No.460779
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>>460381

It was very well-received upon release, by both fans and critics.

I mean, to the people at the game this was only the second Super Mario Bros game. So, we had two games and they had two different styles of play. There wasn't anything weird about that.

I mean, heck, Mario was also playable in Donkey Kong, Wrecking Crew, and Mario Bros Arcade. All of those games were completely different.

We never thought anything of it. It was just a good game with Mario. The whole labeling of SMB2 as a black sheep game didn't start until years later when people realized it wasn't the 'true' Super Mario Bros sequel.

Put it this way. The game was popular enough to be released in Japan as Super Mario Bros USA.

>> No.460791

I like Doki Doki Panic.

>> No.460809

>>460776
The actual SMB2 was a glorified hack. The Japs knew that too well.

>> No.460813

>>460768
>>460776
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/04/super-mario-bros-2/
>The prototype, worked up by SRD, a company that programmed many of Nintendo’s early games, was intended to show how a Mario-style game might work if the players climbed up platforms vertically instead of walking horizontally, said Tanabe.

Started as the actual SMB2.
Scrapped, replaced with SMB2J ("Lost Levels").
Engine reworked to Doki Doki Panic.
Changed back into SMB2 for Nintendo of America.
Came BACK to Japan as SMBUSA.
>wat

>> No.460814

>>460809

Ain't nothing wrong with that.

It's called a level pack. It's Super Mario Bros. for experts.

>> No.460827

I like Doki Doki Panic more since it was a bit more challenging and you really get to explore the physics of each of the characters. Not to mention I have a soft spot for the Disk System.
Although, SMBUSA was a lot more forgiving and fun to play.

>> No.460835

I like it a lot.

On the other hand, I fucking hated the real SMB2. Recycled music and graphics from the first game, only slight gameplay additions, asshole level design. It was a fucking mess.

>> No.460839

Lost Levels is actually my favorite Mario game. I think it has the best level design, and even the most fair challenge. It has less bullshit cheap deaths than other Mario games.

>> No.460840

>>460814
>It's called a level pack.

It was sold as a full sequel.

>> No.460841

>>460827
Didn't the differenct physics of each character also apply to Super Mario Bros. 2?

>> No.460842

MARIO MADNESS

my first SMB was actually SMB3, then I played SMB1 and SMB2 was my last NES Mario game.

I liked it, but I didn't like it as much as the other 2. Still played the hell out of it but I could never finish it. I think it's a rather hard game.

>> No.460849

>>460840

It is a full sequel.

>> No.460853

>>460849
It's a full rehash.

>> No.460859

>>460381

From what I remember it was very well received, there were lots of copies in stores and it sold like hotcakes. That image with Mario jumping vegetable-in hand was pretty iconic at the time. Same case with Adventure of Link.

The "black sheep" treatment didn't come until much years later thanks to a more grouped fandom and all the stupidity that comes with it.

>> No.460862
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460862

Didn't like it but I do like the GBA version

>> No.460874

Loved this game as a kid when I first played and still love it. Of course back then I had no fucking idea what Doki Doki Panic was. I just thought this was the next evolution of the Mario series.

>> No.460878

>>460853

I don't think so. Identical presentation, but entirely new levels, designed with just as much care as the original. It's a full-fledged game with 32 new levels and 5 secret worlds.

>> No.460879

How do you guys feel about SNES/All-Stars version of Mario 2?
I first played the NES version (MARIO MADNESS) but it would always freeze or glitch on me.
Super Mario Bros. All-Stars (+World) was my favorite SNES game in general, so I may be a little biased but the game certainly looked better and never froze up on me. Plus I'm a huge casual so I like being able to save and choose what level to play.

Also, who's your favorite character? Mine is Toad, all the way. Only used Princess and Luigi for those levels with the large jumps and hard-to-get mushrooms. Mario a shit.

>> No.460880 [DELETED] 

>herpa derp NOT MUH MARIO

I can't get away with those cunts.

>> No.460889

>>460841
Of course.
It's just in Doki Doki Panic, you have to go through all of the levels or warp as each character before you beat the game.
In Super Mario USA, you can just pick your favorite of the 4 Luigi/Mama Master Race and beat the game with that character, not having to worry about playing the others.

>> No.460892

>>460879

I love All-Stars. The graphics look so nice and colorful. The music sounds great as well. Also, love the save system.

>> No.460903

>>460381
it was a simpler time.
much like zelda 2, we had no predisposition to what a mario game was supposed to be. people really liked it and it was not until much later that it got a stigma.

>> No.460906

>>460879
I would say for the All Stars versions of the other games that the physics got fucked, but it matched Super Mario USA's physics just fine, and made it look nicer, so it's pretty good in my book.

>> No.460908

>>460878
>designed with just as much care as the original.

I'm pretty sure Miyamoto admitted a few times that it was a total clusterfuck.

>> No.460927

I actually like it more than SMB1.

>> No.460941

>>460927
back in the day, i did as well.
now a days though, smb3 will always be my favorite.

>> No.460947

>>460908

I don't think he did. He just didn't have very much involvement with it.

And it's hardly a clusterfuck. It's a very well-designed game.

>> No.460969

>>460908
source?

>> No.460972

>>460892
i cant stand the controls for all stars
on the nes b was run and a was jump
on the snes b was jump and y was run.
something about switching from sliding my thumb horizontal to vertically never did jive with me

>> No.460978

>>460862
Advance made it piss easy and gave everyone godawful voices.

>> No.460984

>>460840

Do you think the Famicom was capable of downloadable level packs?

>> No.460989

>>460840

Well, when a level pack effectively doubles a game's content, that's pretty much a new game.

>> No.461001

>>460984
Disk System might have.
It could handle Google.

>> No.461015

>>461001
that was for the n64 you tool
im sorry for yelling

>> No.461035

>>461001
>>461015
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rznYifPHxDg
>april fools

>> No.461049

>>460381
We were all stoked as fuck and just happy to have more Mario. That's how I and everyone else I was aware of at the time felt. Still, when you got it home, you couldn't shake the feeling that something was just really weird and out of place.

>> No.461081

>>460418
>>460381
it wasn't universally loved at the time kinda like zelda 2 wasn't.
They were both the schoolgrounds least favourite of their respective series, and were my least fabourite too. now though strangely i find them to be the most replayable

>> No.461208

Shy Guys are my favorite Mario characters so I will forever love it for bringing them to the series

>> No.461247

Best of the NES mario games. Just because its so different. Its more surreal, has better music, and more variety of play.

>> No.461267
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461267

Anyone ever play the prototype?

I've seen some shit.

>> No.461294

>>461267
http://tcrf.net/Proto:Super_Mario_Bros._2

>> No.461297

It's my favorite game in the original trilogy.

>> No.461416
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>>461294
Only the dead can know peace from this evil.

>> No.464117

I started playing this game, but quit during the second world. I really wasn't a fan of the digging down the sand puzzle. It was annoying/hard (I'll admit it) having to dig down while avoiding the shy guys the entire time. I found this part of the game so annoying I no longer wanted to play the game.

Also, the mask that chases you when you find a key is extremely annoying as well.

>> No.464165

>>460305
You are now noticing the leg is comming out of his crotch

>> No.464184

this game just makes me really hungry. makes me want to eat radishes and stuff

>> No.464198
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>>464165
sweet jesus

>> No.464264

Gets way too much hate spit at it. I liked it back then and still like it. Whenever I reached Birdo I played sitting by a rubber chicken and rubber eggs. I was a weird kid...

>> No.464292

I don't get why it's called Mario USA. This game was released as Mario 2 in all markets outside Japan, not just USA. Besides, USA is a strange title anyway. They couldn't come up with something better? It would be like calling Lost Levels "Super Mario Bros. Japan".

>> No.464308

my problem was that it pretty much eliminated jumping on enemies to kill them. this felt like such a fundamental concept of mario that it made it seem like it was missing a crucial element. instead of feeling perfect and immediately engaging, it felt clunky

>> No.464321

>>464292

Japanese people tend to associate the west with the United States more than anywhere else.

>> No.464336
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>>464308
I felt the same way too but jumping on top of enemies and riding them around was badass so I gave it a pass

I used to ride shyguys everywhere and see how far my loyal steed would carry me

And don't get me started on the ostros when I first met them, pity they only came out in a few levels

>> No.464339

>>464308
Yeah but who doesn't like throwing Radishes at one's enemies?

>> No.464345

It's my favourite 2D mario. The graphics, even to this day, look phenomenal. The soundtrack is borderline amazing, especially the ending song when Mario is sleeping. To this day that song still makes me sad for whatever reasons. Also, being able to play as four different characters who each have their own play style is unreal. I would love nothing more than a remake of this game.

>> No.464351

>>464345
>being able to play as four different characters who each have their own play style is unreal.

>you'll never get to pick between Mario, Luigi, Princess, and Toad each with their own abilities

Seriously Nintendo really dropped the ball when they released New Super Mario Bros. 2

Oh and I know you can play as toad in the wii game but he doesn't have any special abilities

>> No.464354

>>464336

>Awesome things that only show up in a few parts

Man. You have no idea how disappointed I was to discover that the angry sun only shows up in two levels of SMB3.

>> No.464371

>>464351

Gah, don't remind me. Nintendo really needs to implement this in their Mario games. It's so refreshing being able to go through the game multiple times and yet it feels new with each character. They could have added Wario and Waluigi to the mix.

>> No.464375

>>464165
Jesus Christ what the fuck you just ruined the cover. Wow...

>> No.464386

>>464351
What was Toads "ability" again? I never played as him
Luigi jumped really high, Peach floated on her jumps, Mario is mario, Toad is ?

>> No.464396

>>464354
There's a lot of stuff in SMB3 that I wish I could find in more places but I suppose it's special because it only happens once or twice

For example

Parabeetles- I loved riding those little fuckers around

Karibou's Shoe- always makes these lists

Hammer Bros. Suit- most powerful weapon in the game, and fireproof too. Hated that it only showed up in the last 2 levels

Pipe Mazes- fun as fuck to navigate, going in one pipe and coming out of another one. There's only like 3 in the entire game- Also the new super mario bros. games could use some

Those rides that you jump on to make them change direction- fun as fuck to use

Levels that scroll upwards

>>464386
Toad is super strong and quick, picks up enemies quickly, I ALWAYS use him in the desert levels because he digs fast as fuck

>> No.464402

>>464386
Sucking the hardest

>> No.464408

>>464386
pulls shit out the ground at hyperspeed

>> No.464412

>>464402
>not using toad to dig in the desert levels

Yeah I bet you used the princess to dig really really slow

do you even smb2?

>> No.464413

>>464386

He was super fast and picked up items/enemies in the blink of an eye.

>> No.464432

>>464402
What the fuck

Toad was the best character for bosses. And Luigi was the best character for traversing levels.

lrn2donkeydonkeypicnic

>> No.464434

>that one warp zone only Luigi could reach.

>> No.464450

>>464432
>Luigi was the best character for traversing levels

>mfw I could pass level 1-2 without the magic carpet with a series of well-timed jumps

>mfw then I would grab the black star and throw it next to the locked door, then do a super jump up to the top of the platform, then go to the boss without getting the key or even going inside

not a single fuck given, easiest level in the world

>> No.464454

GBA version is best.

>> No.464460
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>>464454
>HYAH
>OHH
>TOAD'S ANNOYING VOICE
>HYAHH
>EYY

HAHAHAHAno

>> No.464461

>>464450

Absolutely loved doing this with Luigi.

>> No.464496
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464496

This game was absolutely unplayable for me unless I played as Toad.
Kill me.

>> No.464507

>>464460
seriously fuck nintendo for sticking those goddamn voice samples in all of the mario advance games and Mario vs. Donkey Kong

>> No.464516

>>464386
Toad made some of the desert levels and bosses so easy. He could pick up stuff faster than Mario. Peach was the slowest I think with Luigi being next slowest.
It didn't really matter till the later boss levels though, that's when Toad really starts to shine.

>> No.464526

>>464496
Nothing wrong with him, he's the strongest character.

>> No.464531

>>464507
They also did it to A Link To The Past and it annoyed the fuck out of me

>>464516
I used him all the time, it was like getting the degreaser for the pyro in TF2, it's like you want a turnip? BAM you got a turnip

it's like insta-turnip right out of the ground ready to throw

>> No.464541

>>464412

my mind is blown. digging in those desert levels is a total bitch, i always used mario but if i used toad they'd probably be easy as fuck

>> No.464543
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>>464526
It's not even that.
It's just those physics.
Those beautiful, tight, tight, physics.

>> No.464560

>>464543
And that is precisely why I am cool with anyone who plays Toad.

The only shame is from relying on Toadstools Float. That's the coward's way.

>> No.464568

>>464543
Exactly, toad is the perfect boss fighter

When you're fighting mouser, and you only have a few seconds to throw a bomb back you don't want Luigi or the Princess who will take wayyyy too long to pick up a bomb

When fighting Birdo his quick jumps make landing on the eggs way easier instead of Luigi's floaty jumps, then BAM you grabbed the egg in a fraction of a second and smacked that bitch in the eye with it before she could get another one ready

When fighting the eagle head that attacks you want to quickly grab the mushroom blocks and throw and if you miss it's ok you can grab again quickly

Don't even get me started on Clawgrip, landing on those rocks is difficult with Luigi's floaty jumps

>> No.464583
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464583

I always chose Luigi. I basically mastered his jumping physics.

>> No.464595

>>464583
Does it work out that well with Luigi on SMB2J?

>> No.464606

>>464595
Hell no. You don't have anywhere near as much control over Luigi's jump there, not to mention he has like no friction.

>> No.464614

>>464583

>what the hell where you doing?
>where

laughed harder than I should have

>> No.464651
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464651

The real SMB2 was great. The re-skin of Doki Doki Panic was not that great. At least, in my opinion.

I mean, sure, I still played it. But it's not the real thing.

>dat challenge of the real SMB2

>> No.464664

>>464651
Oh my god.
The physics of SMB2J spoiled me so hard. I can't stand SMB1 anymore.

>> No.464679

>>464651
I have the opposite view. Lost Levels was good, and a nice challenge, but I prefer 2/USA/DDP, because it feels fresher. Not to mention four playable characters, and the really catchy overworld theme.

>> No.464708

>>460305
It's a really great game. Not sure how people can really say otherwise. It's really stupid that there's some sort of stigma around it because of it being a remake of another game. That doesn't change the fact that it's a really fucking great game.

>> No.464714

>>464679
I'll give you the freshness. I think the fact that there was no graphical progression between 1 and 2 was kind of a bummer. Then again, would SMB3 have felt the way it did if there was? Having more characters doesn't do anything for me. Besides, the whole idea of every other SMB game is saving Peach from Bowser. :P

Only Super Mario RPG is allowed to switch up character roles like that in my book.

>> No.464720

>>464651

SMB2J has New SMB levels of unoriginality though.

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>>464165

Great

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>>464876

Googly

>> No.464882
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464882

>>464879

Moogly

>> No.464976

>>464720
Yeah the graphics didn't even improve, and to me that's the greatest insult of all

>> No.464990

>>464976

I don't know about that. The cloud has a rockin' smile going on.

>> No.465016

I think SMB2 was the first I actually beat. Honestly glad we got it instead of SMB2J, that would've just enraged my younger self. That said, the game was pretty buggy. I remember several times having to reset because the game took a shit on itself during boss fights. Mouser was really fucked.

>> No.465067

>>461247
How does it have more variety of play than SMB3?

>> No.465093

>>464396
>Karibou's Shoe

http://www.mariowiki.com/Goomba%27s_Shoe

>> No.465096

>>464396
>Hammer Bros. Suit- most powerful weapon in the game, and fireproof too. Hated that it only showed up in the last 2 levels

You can get one in World 6

>> No.465140
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465140

>search for SMB2 gameplay videos on youtube
>first page of results.

>> No.465175

>>465140
>New Super Mario Busters 2
>Rated P for PARODY

Sounds like pure quality to me.

>> No.465232

I'm glad we got SMB2 USA because somehow I doubt we'd get Doki Doki Panic otherwise, or at least I feel that USA's existance gave DDP some much-needed upgrades and tweaks. After playing USA, I cannot stand the fact that DDP has no running. I just can't play it.

>> No.465242

>>464507
Makes me wonder...is there a mod that removes the voice samples?

Though it really doesn't matter at this point; I already 100%'d all those games. I already got all the extra collectables, so if I wanna do a replay I might as well just fire up SMAS.

>> No.465279

>>465242
I know there's one that un-fucks the colours in Super Mario Advance 2.
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/470/

>> No.465328

>>465279
I really wish there was a way to simply convert the SMAs into SNES games with full res and sound. I love those portmakes, but the sound difference bothers me so much. They just sound like utter shit.

That guy is doing God's work, though. I don't remember, was SMA3/SMA4 brightened too?

>> No.465948

I totally dislike it, I find it boring and too easy.

The music is nice.

>> No.466042
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>>465096
>You can get one in World 6
You can get two. The mushroom house hidden behind 6-5 always has one, and you can get the hidden one in 6-10 (though not as an item, ya gotta wear it). And then you can warp backwards to World 5 with them.

Not playing World 5 and most of World 6 four times each with all 3 whistles? Then, you should give it a try. It's fun on a bun. You can get 4 hammer bros suits as items that way.

There are also a few in World 7 (but you can't warp backwards from there). Two of the mushroom houses have a 1/3 chance of giving you one, and there is one in 7-10. Might be more.

>> No.467086

A complete break from the original. Took me by surprise as a kid, in a good way.

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469635

I liked it well enough. If I were to break it down, I'd do so as follows:

Pros

- It turned Toad into a full fledged character in the Mario mythos and gave Peach that awesome flying ability (which is sadly seldom seen in official games).

- It introduced a plethora of new enemies and bosses like Mouser or Triclyde

- It continued the legacy of Mario, expanded upon it, and added much to the mythos.

Cons

- You can't kill any of the enemies by jumping on them

- Wart isn't as cool as Bowser

- It's all just a dream (way to make the player feel like they've accomplished nothing at all)

- Wart and some of the other bosses never return

With Bowser, you know by looking at that bipedal dragon with a spiked shell and metal arm bands that shit has just hit the fan. This guy was born to fuck you up.

When you look at that fat frog in a robe.... you kinda wonder if maybe you'd stumbled upon the arch nemesis of the Care Bears.

Wart is a much harder boss fight, but there's really no comparison. And Wart *never* returns except in a cameo in Link's Awakening and re-releases of SMB2.

It only further cements the game as the black sheep of the series when Mario can't kill by jumping and the primary villains never return.

Other than that, it's a solid entry worthy of the Mario name.

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469694

who does /vr/ select?

>> No.469695

i cant beat world 2. the part where you have to dig in the sand is so freaking hard, to avoid the shy guys in that area. and im using toad, i dont see much of a difference in digging speed. am i missing something?

>> No.469710

>>469694

For this playthrough, I'll be using nothing BUT Luigi.

>> No.469719

>>469694
What time is it?
Luigi time.
>that floaty leg jump

>> No.469727

how do you defeat enemies on this without being able to jump on them?

>> No.469750

>>469727
pick them up nigga or throw shit you pick up at them

>> No.469763 [DELETED] 

>>469695
Try with Toad.

>> No.469769

>>469727
You smack them with veggies, or jump on them and pick them up and toss them at each other.

I always thought it was hilarious that Peach threw a bad guy at some other dude, and even better, hitting Birdo with his own offspring.

>> No.469774

>>469695
>>469763
Er, try with Toad and a turbo controller, I mean. Derp.

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>> No.469921

how can you not like a game with weaponized turnips?

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>>469902

saved

>> No.470335

>>469921
And tomatoes and pumpkins and onions and other vegetables

I loved how every level had different vegetables

>> No.470374

>>460305
It's a good dose of your favorite food pyramid section.

Platforming, of course.