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>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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OP Revision and Update Eventually, maybe : All suggestions welcome

>> No.4591183

It's an old philips tv I played games on as a kid. Somehow parents still have it. Not the consoles tho so emulating is the only option.

>> No.4591192

Unless it has Component input (YPbPr), there are gonna be a lot of hurdles to jump through to actually feed it to the TV, and even component will require a bit of work.

If you have a Wii laying around, that would be a much simpler, almost plug and play solution for it, if a bit lower quality in terms of the emulation itself.

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Might want to lower your exposure a bit.

>> No.4591230

No it's composite I think.

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It had a lot of overscan but fixed it with the secret menu in most sony tvs. Btw, there is some kind of ghosting when the screen shows white.. is there a fix to that?

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Reminding everyone to fall for the meme

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Every time.

>> No.4591567

what meme? whats wrong with pvms?

>> No.4591583

Yeah, that's going to give you a lot of trouble getting a PC connected up to it properly.

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>> No.4591889

Why on earth would you not play in fullscreen mode?

>> No.4591945

literally everything

>> No.4592027
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Playing on some completely period correct consumer tier stuff, a 1987 KVM over composite because I don't have a scart cable for my Saturn

>> No.4592030

that's the way god intended, gramps. looks great.

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Look at my horse. My horse is amazing.

>> No.4592128

Does anyone here still have their childhood CRT?

>> No.4592145

I have a Sears Roebuck CRT (currently in storage) that I got my junior or senior year of high school at a garage sale covered in dirt, and then used all through college. Hoping to get back up and running in the future.

>> No.4592149

No, we got rid of that later. It was a large Luxor which was mounted on one of those trays on the wall. It wasn't a very good CRT as far as I remember, but it would be nice if I could find out what model it was.

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I have this Thompson RCA that I bought with newspaper route money when I was maybe 12. It has ~1 gorillion hours on it, sat on the back porch of my current house for over a year to be rained and snowed in, put on Craigslist as a curb alert when I was getting rid of extra CRTs in the late 00s (it was the only one no one took) and now it basically serves as a night light for my son. Looks pretty good all things considered. Built in the USA, built to last.

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This >>4591945
The only reason you want one is because some bloated, pink faced faggot eceleb told you “they’re like so good, cause the color is like RGB, which is better I guess” so you blindly nod and agree, spending your McDonald’s paycheck on obsolete, overpriced technology. Unbeknownst to your fucking pea brain, you don’t even have the thing set up correctly so the difference in quality is literally no different than a $15 Magnavox.

>> No.4592308

I mean it's nice to have native RGB in the US but rationally it's not worth paying any more than a $50 premium for since that's what an RGB to YPbPr transcoder costs

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Do you have pics of said ghosting? I'm wondering if you mean the thin horizontal wires that hold a trinitron "mask" into place. Trinitrons have a few horizontal wires that you can see if you look closely on pure white.


I agree with the sentiment, but they are good devices. You pay a premium but I guess it's up to each individual what they want to spend. I think >>4533301 is a pretty good summary.

I bought 13" BVM for about $115 shipped and I think it's worth it. It has an amazing picture. I have a Sharp 27U F510and the colors on that Sharp are freaking amazing. My 20" PVM looks great, but the colors aren't as good as the sharp. The 13" BVM, while smaller has the really good colors like the Sharp but is also a lot crisper. I guess what I'm getting at is, pvm/bvm are nice but there is honestly nothing wrong with a good consumer set.

Also, this will be my last tripfagging. I'm going back to being an anon. I didn't do it for ego so it really is pointless. I did it to be somewhat accountable and not troll as much. I'll just not troll as much now even as anon.

Also, never forget pic related.

>> No.4592420

Link is dead:

>Honestly unless you're turbo autist, regular consumer tvs are great. PVMs do have better picture, but you have to invest a LOT of money in connectors and modding consoles, etc. PVM are cool, but honestly you can get the same enjoyment out of a consumer set, there's nothing wrong with them at all.

>Late model consumer CRT that have composite, component (sometimes called ypbr or yuv), and s video are the most desireable. Your ps1 will not support component, they just don't have the circuitry.

>You can do 3 things, first, get a ps2 which does support component and play your games on there. Monster brand component cables are sold on ebay at reasonable prices, they are pretty good and somewhat common. Expect to pay about $20-30. Second, you can get an rgb scart cable and a retrotek box. They convert rgb into component at a hardware level so no lag. The boxes are built really fucking well and just work great. Third would be to use s video. S video can look fucking great. Component is better, but not like the leap between composite (or rf yuck) and s video. RGB and component are pretty much a toss up, with RGB maybe having SLIGHTLY better colors but Component has compatibility with 480p modes. If ps1 are is as old as you plan to go (read this as you want to use modern consoles too) component would probably be much better for you due to the 480p thing. Almost all retro consoles can use s-video, but some consoles may need basic mods to do so.

>Consumer TVs can look great, find them on the curb, at recycling centers, thrift stores, flea markets, garage sales, craigslist, freecycle, facebook marketplace, etc. Ask around at work or in social circles, friends parents, relatives etc.

>Honestly, I'd recommend at least getting a working consumer set before even considering pvm. You may not want anything else, but if you do, this is a good point to learn from as you can play your games while learning and saving up money, cause pvmeme takes a lot of it.

>> No.4592551

Got myself an Olympus OEV203 and it got damaged on shipping, it works but the power button doesn't go back out when turning it off, and I have to pull it to the initial position.
It looks like it's not a big thing and I'd like to give it a try at fixing it myself.
Is it safe to try, having the service manual and all, or am I gonna get myself killed? I'm always reading how CRT's are dangerous and all.

>> No.4592585

Same exact one I've got, also slightly damaged. The power button is on the front side of the flyback so it won't be energized when unplugged and it won't kill you even if it's plugged in.

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I could not take photo of the ghosting but this is another thing that happen with white stuff. See the health bar.

>> No.4592639

Paying $30 for chink shit cables. lmao. Monster is no better than the $5 shit you find on eBay. Keep burning your money

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>not making your own cables hardwired directly into your consoles

>> No.4592859

Is there any CRT emulator better than CRT-Royale at 4K?

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pc crt

>> No.4593003

My 13" no-name brand TV/VCR combo box has an aperture grill. Wew. You never know.

It's Composite only though, it doesn't really bother me to be honest.

>> No.4593041

Oh for fucking hell... can you stop posting this already.
It's the 3rd or 4th thread so far.

>> No.4593047

pics or you're full of shit

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>> No.4593180

700 for a Sony BVM-20G1U, is it even worth?

>> No.4593191

play it for 100 hours and you've basically paid it minimum wage

>> No.4593247

looks decent as fuck too, geometry and the thing is tight

>> No.4593281


>> No.4593283 [DELETED] 

I will literally never stop posting it

>> No.4593342

Such is my punishment...

>> No.4593389

Depends on the cable. Some monster cables are ok, their RCA audio stuff is double screened and very nice. Their SCART stuff is pretty low tier though, not the worst but not quite mid tier either.

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Can anyone help me out with this whole AV/RGB/Component/Composite thing without going into a lot of technical details I won't be able to get because I don't understand about video types and shit like that.

I really don't know anything about it, I use the official cable for my ps1 and ps2 and I connect it to just a regular LG crt I have around. Is this a good cable or should I get something else? I should also mention that my crt only has space to connect 3 cables, red/yellow/white in comparison to my LED tv that has a component entry with a lot more shit also an old DVD player I have around which makes me wonder if a better cable would improve image quality there too

>> No.4593767 [DELETED] 

I was actually mistaken and my tv only has Yellow and White which is worse I suppose

>> No.4594142


I’m so glad I happened to be there when this was originally posted

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>Been searching for a local BVM/PVM for about 7 years now
>A few days ago, I finally remember that a friend of mine works at a local news station
>Shoot him a message asking him if the station has any spare PVM's or BVM's
>He messages me back like an hour later
>"Hey anon! Yea, we had a bunch of those things in storage for years since we switched to digital. We actually just gave them all away like a month ago"

Fuck...will I EVER find one of these things?!

>> No.4594242

Time to settle with emus and pc crts

>> No.4594245


Hint: If you had saved $5 a week for 7 years you could have saved up enough to buy 5 of the things on ebay. If you're that passionate about finding one that it took 7 years of your life, just fucking buy one already. Life is short, you've spent 1/10th of your life waiting on one.

>> No.4594247

I've already started to accept this fact...

Maybe I'm just an autist, or OCD, but I like to inspect electronic products (especially older ones) before I buy it. The best way to do this is in person.

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>> No.4594308

>Maybe I'm just an autist, or OCD, but I like to inspect electronic products (especially older ones) before I buy it. The best way to do this is in person.

True, but if you buy on ebay you can return it if it's shit. I've got 2pvm and 1bvm from there with no problems. I understand being OCD about something, but if you really want it you might have to get over that. If it's preventing you from enjoying things in life it's a problem that only you can overcome.

If the seller lies or says something works and it doesn't, you can refund. Also, most electronics (even used) lets you purchase one of those "extended warranty plans", so even if it shits out within a year or something you are still covered.

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This is why I'm glad I never got rid of my 20" consumer Trinitron after getting my HD LCD in 2006.

>> No.4594521

I actually got my OEV203 for free because after I won the no reserve auction for 99 cents (+$40 shipping) the seller decided to send me a rougher set than the one listed and pictured so I reported it and he just refunded me everything.

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One good thing about CRT's I've always liked is the ability to put crap on top of them. What's on yours, /vr/?

>> No.4594606

a vcr

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>> No.4594653

A Stubbins plushie of Parappa.

>> No.4594660

pay stubs and taco wrappers mostly

>> No.4594672

Games and movies

>> No.4594681

I can relate to this.

>> No.4594753

another crt

>> No.4594757
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A 6128 and a Virtua Stick

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Cat is also pretty fond of Trinitrons

>> No.4594778

A set of smallish USB speakers, a Mask of the Child I bought, and (soonish) a Mechazawa plushie.

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>What's on yours, /vr/?
Center channel. And now that I'm looking closer, dust.
Not for long though.

>> No.4595003
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Hey guys.

I've had this Sony 1080i trinitron since 2007 when it was the last one being sold in the store. Got it for $500.

Been using it to play all my games from NES to PS3 on it, but I don't use it much anymore. Got a Retron 5 and a new 32" LCD that I can play everything on now and it isn't 200lbs.

Should I keep it or put it up on Craigslist or something? How much they go for?

>> No.4595008

I thought about buying one of these for $20 but I passed. In hindsight I think I made the right decision. Sell it or trade it to some idiot for his smaller SD Trinitron.

>> No.4595024


Yeah maybe. I already got a 20" Toshina flatscreen CRT. It isn't a Trinitron, but it has component inputs. Got it in 2001 when the comparable Sony Trinitron did not. Think I'll use that if I want to plug my systems directly into something without an emulator. It doesn't way 200lbs either.

>> No.4595089

>How much they go for?

You'd be lucky to get $50 for it. $30-40 is probably what you'll get.

Honestly if it were me, I'd keep it.

>> No.4595152

It might be nice for building a cocktail cabinet around using a PC directly to emulate on or something like that if he has place for a table

>> No.4595156

Why is my 15" sony monitor so much heavier than my 17" lg?

>> No.4595180

Glorious Japanese steel, folded over a thousand times.

>> No.4595207

Only a slight exaggeration. There used to be an image that went around I originally posted of a Sony PC CRT that had its housing broken and you could see the cage

>> No.4595462

The main reason Trinitrons are heavier is the extra glass in the tubes. But the cage does add to it as well.

>> No.4595487

That's an ok HDCRT for 15kHz content, if you care about that, but nice in its own right for HD content whether games or movies. Sadly it's not the 960 with the fine pitch tube, because those are worth getting if you possibly can.

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I've been looking into upgrading my CRT because it's just way too big and bulky. I came across pic related, it's a Bang & Olufsen CRT TV that's apparently only available in the UK.

Is there anything comparable that's available in the US? I've tried looking for ways to purchase this TV and have it shipped to the US, but no luck.

>> No.4595552

A small number of B&O sets did end up being sold in the US, but they're by no means common.

Internally, they're Philips sets, so aside from losing out on the aesthetics, finding a good quality late 90s Philips model would do you just about as well.

>> No.4595584

Good to know they're just Phillips TV's (I actually like their products). I think the biggest deal for me was bulk. I really wanted a CRT that was a thin as possible since space is kind of an issue for me. My game room is a converted garage, so there's not much room width-wise for a big ass TV and a couch directly across from it.

>> No.4595589

The more shallow you make a CRT, the lower the quality they tend to be due to needing to deflect the beam much more drastically to hit the corners of the set.

I'm not sure what size you're looking for, but it might be smart to just look for something in the ~20'' range or so and get a corner stand for it so the depth is sort of offset.

>> No.4595593

You're probably right. I was about to suggest that was only the case with Wegas but now that I think about it even KVMs are that was it's just been long enough since I've carried around any small, curved screen non-trinitrons (other than silly little tiny ones) I forget how much lighter they are. When I think about the Thomson >>4592162 though I could hold it over my head with one hand and it's a 20 inch

>> No.4595598

>That's an ok HDCRT for 15kHz content
Is it? Because I may regret passing that one up if it can actually sync 15khz without upscaling

>> No.4595630

Does 480i output from older PC graphics cards (s-video) always look like trash?

I tried a Radeon 9800 pro and an 8600gt and both output a blurry mess. Could custom resolutions help?

>> No.4595631

Any recommendations on what to do to fix the problem shown in this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oq8YR7Kpo4

It's not mine, but my TV does the exact same thing. Is it just an issue that all flat screen CRTs have? Is it fixable?

>> No.4595650

Those S Video ports are literally only capable of 480i, not 240p. That's the problem.

>> No.4595676

The encoders themselves aren't exactly the best quality either.

>> No.4595917

Think about it like this - your mistake made me and a lot of other anons happy for a sec, or at least got a good chuckle out of most of us.

>> No.4596201

You mistake me. It's an HDCRT, so it upscales 15kHz content. It's merely quite reasonable at this, if reports are to be believed. Better than most. And it's also a decent set to watch old content on.

>> No.4596265

I had a 13" Phillips that I had since I was about twelve. Got it either in '96 or '97. Even when I get a better, larger tv I kept my SNES hooked up to that until I moved across the country in 2009.

>> No.4596336

Only the vertical distortion is fixable
Horizontal distortion is a design flaw that all flat screens share, but people didn't care when they were watching their handegg match in the early 2000s

>> No.4596338

Best brand of CRT PC monitor?

>> No.4596370

Barco, Eizo and LaCie are top-tier.
Sony, Mitsubishi and Iiyama are more readily available.

>> No.4596491

NEC as well as these >>4596370

>> No.4596754

ViewSanic is good too

>> No.4596806


Catdog fucking sucked, bro.

>> No.4596842

I'm about to make an offer on a Hitachi Superscan 20s that I hope to find is caged and will drop into the 19" bracket in my Bally Sente SEC 1a cab.

Does anyone know if this monitor will do 15khz? Or even if it's caged? I can't find any documentation about it online and I don't want to seem TOO interested in it to the seller at this point.

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>Does anyone know if this monitor will do 15khz?
Chances are below minimal tbqh


>HorizSync 30-69

>> No.4596974

That's Nacho and Dog from the old Taco Bell kid's meal commercials

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Yeah I saw that thread but it's about how that driver isn't correct for the monitor. It also may be over VGA. I'm having the seller check if it has BNC ports and a cage. He seems like the kind of guy who might even have the manual

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Hey, I just got an N64, PS1, and Sega Saturn from a friend who's spring cleaning. I found out the hard way that they look like shit connected to my flat screen, so I've been looking at some CRT's to buy.

My dad's job is giving away some old monitors like pic related. My question is this: is it possible to connect these older systems to an old school computer monitor? If so, how's the quality? It'd be a perfect fit for my computer desk.

>> No.4597000

All those consoles output 15khz signals which very few VGA monitors display, including probably the erroneously named Supersync I'm looking at. You can upscale them but then you might as well just use your HDTV. Look for a 14" consumer Trinitron. I feel like S-Video will probably be the sweet spot for you.

>> No.4597012

you can't directly.
however there are several options :
framemeister (expensive and end of life soon)
OSSC + hdmi-to-vga (slightly less expensive but in constant development)
GBS8X00 ($20-30, sucks in stock form but recent development with custom firmware looks very promising)

In any case, you should get at least one of the monitors, especially if they're free. Try to get brand and models names.

>> No.4597013

Thanks for the advice dude.

>> No.4597036

>erroneously named
no it's not.

>> No.4597042

If it was super it would go down to 15khz

No problem. See my post earlier in the thread >>4592027 consumer TVs can look perfectly adequate for the vast majority of gamers

>> No.4597063

a metric ton of monitors are super sync, multi sync and such.
That doesn't imply they do 15khz, yet they're not erroneously named. There's a domain above 31khz that was important back then.

>> No.4597070

I'm aware that "tri-sync" is the typical magic word I'm just joking around. The guy actually has a whole mid-00s era gaming pc that he's trying to sell along with the monitor. I may just buy the whole thing convert the cab to be mame only.

>> No.4597260

LaCie are just rebadged Mitsubishi tubes, and NEC sets of the same age are as well.

There are numerous Dell, Compaq, HP and otherwise sets that are also using Sony and Mitsubishi guts, but those aren't always as easy to spot at a glance.

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>> No.4597382

Pretty sure that's just a CRT shell that's been gutted and modded to have a flat screen on the inside.

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>local listing near me is for a Sony Wega Tritintron
>posted one hour ago
>no price
>no number
>only desc. is "Excellent TV!"
>photo is just a single crappy photo of the back taken on their porch this morning
>the amount of unprofessionalism in this makes me think they don't know what they have on their hands
>could get it for cheap
>hell, could even get it for free
>left an email with my cell
>it's been an hour since then
>still no response

I'm shaking, /crt/. I thought I could get a quick response back since it was a new listing, but now I'm not so sure. I'm so afraid of letting her slip away from me...

>> No.4597642

When I bought my TV off of Craigslist, the guy took hours to reply every time. Don't freak out.

>> No.4597668

Even if you miss out, there will be others. Are you sure it isn't a curb alert situation where they put their address in the listing and just want someone to come take it to be rid of it?

>> No.4597891
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Update!!! Dude sent me a text saying he had a ton of people asking if it was a free flatscreen, and told me to check its dimensions again before bothering him again. I called him back to actually confirm I wanted a CRT and he told me it was free if we picked it up tomorrow!

i’m so fucking pumped, this honestly feels like someone uploading a blurry pic of the Cup of Christ and offering it for free to anyone who wants it

>> No.4597893

Did you catch what model it is, or the size?

>> No.4598153

did you even watch the vid....

>> No.4598180

It’s a Sony KV-32HS510 with a 4:3 resolution. Ad stated it was 35” inch but I have a feeling it’s a 32. I’m planning on using it for GameboyPlayer games and Wii VC so the S-Video and Component ports are a huge plus. I did some more research and found out that it might actually be an HDTV, so theres a chance I might get some lag from it with 240p resolutions, but otherwise I’m pretty happy with it considering this is my first CRT find.
Now I just have to convince my roommate to help me lift it up three flights of stairs

>> No.4598193
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This the tv I own, a Sharp 13J-M100 13. And how do I obtain RGB with it?

>> No.4598202
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Is it possible to remove jailbars from a Mega Drive/Genesis?

>> No.4598213

>3 years ago CRTs were a regular sight on sidewalks in my area and thrift stores were loaded with them
>Decided to get back into retro gaming last year
>Thrift stores have all gotten rid of their CRTs and only stock shitty early 2000’s LCD/Plasma monitors instead (yes, they replaced TVs with old PC monitors)
>only CRTs I’ve seen thrown out are either actually broken-broken or 1080i monsters that weight more than the average human male
>ever local listing; “$40+ GREAT FOR GAMERS!” on any random POS
What god did I anger to deserve such a fate?

>> No.4598239

Use a 32x.

>> No.4598251

>a feeling it’s a 32
It is; KV states that it's an TV with analog tuner, 32 is the size, HS is the line, and the 510 is the specific model.

>might actually be an HDTV
It is, without a doubt.

You're gonna be looking at 2 frames delay for 480p+ inputs, and 3 frames for 240p/480i.

If you're planning on using it for primarily 240p/480i stuff (VC and Gameboy Player) you'd honestly be better off looking for something that isn't gonna scale everything.

>> No.4598335

I'm going to pick up 2 20" PVMs today and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

I actually have the right equipment for it

>> No.4598390

Fit an RGB bypass kit

>> No.4598528

Keep hunting local listings. For every Idiot, there is a person with a CRT that just wants someone to be able to get rid of the thing for them since they are a pain in the ass to haul.

>> No.4598540

Shhhhit. Well, at least I posted on here before picking it up. I’ll keep looking I guess. One day, /crt/, one day.

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>> No.4598974

Ignore his ass will ya?

>> No.4599001

>it's been an hour since then

I know this feeling, anon, but you have to remember that an hour is not so long as it feels when you want something real bad.

>> No.4599006


>> No.4599013
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saw this in a retard FB group.
why the fuck would anyone pay that much for a CRT?

>> No.4599036

People are retarded
Where I live people are selling shitty 9" PVMs for 300$ and 17" Trinitron monitors for 5$

>> No.4599089

What a stupid question

>> No.4599207

Locate the jungle chip responsible for OSD overlay and jack RGB into the circuit.


>> No.4599279

So, you BE SAYIN that I gotta open up the tv, remove the composite chip and install an RGB one?

>> No.4599291


Try facebook marketplace if you haven't. Seems more realistic expectations for crt prices, including some free.

>> No.4599302
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Research more or don't do this. You will die if you can't figure things out.

I'm 9/10 sure this is bait but as another anon said, you tap into the jungle chip. I'd suggest learning how to do rgb mods to consoles as it's basically the same thing, only on the tv side of things.

>> No.4599664

Is there any reason to buy a PVMeme if I don't own any console?

>> No.4599716

Can still be useful for emulation

>> No.4599740
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I have a Toshiba Colorstream 20AF43 that has these horizontal lines across the top all the time. Anyone know how to fix this? I read somewhere else it may be because of improper voltage but I'm not sure.

>> No.4599745

Wouldn't it be better and cheaper to just get a crt pc monitor?

>> No.4599760

It's nice to watch movies or old TV shows on, but honestly, not really any reason to buy it without consoles. If you're emulating, just get a pc crt, it will be easier to hook up and far more common, and far cheaper.

>> No.4599817

video monitor can do 15kHz resolutions natively

>> No.4599825

You aren't missing any resolution with a pc monitor

>> No.4599841

can't do say 240p 60Hz on a regular PC monitor.

>> No.4599847

Any SVGA monitor can reach 240p at 120Hz and you can use BFI to make it effectively 60Hz

>> No.4599914

Is there any general tips for improving geometry on PVMs? A friend got given one, it's slightly off to the right and the geometry is square and not filling the rounded edges of the screen. Don't want to fuck with it too much and make a mess of it.

>> No.4599946

Yes, all the settings usually hidden in service menus are right there on pvms. You can move it to the left in about 1 minute. People work very hard to get the geometry square though. I don't know why you would change it.

>> No.4600009

If you live in North America it's the only way to get RGB without modding.

>> No.4600081

I thought people would have wanted it to match the screen shape, no?

>> No.4600103

no the goal is to have straight lines straight, and squares square the same size all over the screen

>> No.4600161


Where's that sonic card from. I want it.


Because it's a multiformat 20 inch PVM. 20L5s are the ONLY multiformat 20 inch PVMs so they're in high demand.

>> No.4600267

Bad power filter caps on the part responsible for vertical deflection. A general recap of the deflection section should get rid of the issue entirely.

>> No.4600332
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So I just wanna ask for an accurate comparison between Y/Pb/Pr and RGB.

Can you do it? Can you be the first person ever to show a difference?

>> No.4600351

Phonedork has done it before.

There's a video on YouTube.

>> No.4600439

The sonic card was a Christmas card from a friend.

>> No.4600479
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Yeah, a Goldstar TV that I got from my parents back on Christmas of '96. Hell, I still have the tape rewinder we used, I keep it in fear of making the TV VHS deck do all the rewinding would kill it.

>> No.4600487
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>Two weeks ago I randomly comment on my townships facebook about PVMS
>Tonight a fucking guy tells me he has a NEC 29 XP2990
Never even fucking heard about this but knowing how rare a 29" monitor is I'm freaking. He got it 15 years ago - The original owner. We have not talked price at all. He says it has very low hours and come with the remote.

Pic related

>> No.4600492
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holy fucking inputs

>> No.4600527

While that's actually pretty cool, is he not giving you a price because he's not selling?

>> No.4600534
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No I'm just being cool just talking about it. I have no idea if he knows the value nor he about me. I'm really fucking nervous, I'm looking around and people are saying this thing is valued around $800-$1200....here's a shot from some old reddit thread.

>> No.4600542

sorry, anon. monitors of that size are -far- from rare. uncommon these days? sure. rare? kek. NO.

>> No.4600549

The difference in that comes down entirely to the fact that the two inputs are configured differently. It wouldn't be difficult to have match the two exactly.

Mind you, that's also for an XM29+, not the XP; XP is spec'd higher.

Only thing that could beat it out would be the XP Xtra, which has an ever so slightly higher horizontal scan limit and support for YPbPr.

That said, at it's limit, you could still pull off 720p120 on that if you felt like it.

>> No.4600552

This a joke? Go pull any 29" TV monitor for me...I'll wait here.

>> No.4600556

Thank you based anon. I'll find out for sure tomorrow

>> No.4600579

RARE! ZOMG! they're not. is google broken at your end? is this the only website you can access is this? get out of here. have a look for yourself.

4chan <> a search engine

>> No.4600617


I wouldn't pay more than 1,000 for an XM29. The XP is slightly better. Just ask for a price man.


So my assumption is you're retarded. You're either retarded because you think a presentation monitor is the same as any old 29" commercial tube, or you're retarded because your definition of "rare" is stupid.

Can you find a 29" presentation monitor? Sure. At any given month you can probably find one on ebay, be it one of the Sony models, a Mitsubishi, or an NEC. But they'll be expensive as fuck and in comparison to smaller PVM's they are much much less common. They're about as rare as multiformat BVMs, that is to say, they're the hardest fucking things to get outside of the even larger 32" monitors. So yeah, I think by any reasonable standard that counts as "rare".

>> No.4600965

>presentation monitors are not rare

>> No.4600976

it's bad enough gramps decided to park his faggot ass in this thread, so let's not start feeding the obvious trolls and idiots.

>> No.4600991

Y/Pb/Pr was mainly made available on those huge widescreen CRTs as far as I know.

>> No.4601016

Not sure about other regions but it became available on SD consumer sets in the early 2000s here in North America. Was mostly used by DVD players at the time but you could buy cables for sixth gen consoles and maybe some of the fifth gen ones to use it.

>> No.4601024

Some late 90s consumer stuff had it, but really only at the higher end; It didn't work it's way down to the more mainstream offerings until the turn of the millennium. As for consoles, nothing 5th gen offered component.

>> No.4601075


>> No.4601082

Wowwwww.... He may not be willing to sell it, just trying to show it off a little to someone who'll appreciate it. Feel him out a bit to see if he's even looking to sell then don't be afraid to make the first offer. Say "Maybe like $100? Sorry, I don't really know a whole lot about NEC monitors" so if he gets offended you can just play dumb and apologize profusely.

>> No.4601128

100% false

>> No.4601152
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You guys got any idea on the model number?

>> No.4601156
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>> No.4601176

>NEC MODEL NO*cockblock*
like pottery

>> No.4601201
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XM2950, 2950G if you're in a Euro/240v country.

A nice monitor, will still do 720p (just) but isn't quite the find of an XP29 Plus.

>> No.4601212

I'm okay with that. Any idea on a top dollar amount to not pay? I personally wasn't in the market for anything like this and it just fell on my lap. I personally wouldn't be able to spend over $200

>> No.4601368

Unless they're willing to let you have it for that, then you're liably not going to be able to get it. I wouldn't go pegging it for near what that ebay auction went for, but could still easily see it going for 2 or 3 times what your top dollar is, if not more.

>> No.4601532

>JVC DT-V1910
>700km away
it even has the RGB card. Had the DIY card not be a thing now, I would probably have jumped on it.

>> No.4601541

Finally got myself a 20" 20M2E. Now I've got to figure out where to put the fucker.

>> No.4601724


Good luck with that. I wouldn't pay over 1,000, but I wouldn't expect much under that either. I would consider 700 lucky, but I've seen that once with a Mitsubishi Megaview.

>> No.4601814
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Shitty picture but here's the geometry on a 20" I picked up recently. Haven't played around with it yet but any general tips on improving the corners? I assume it would be mostly pin related settings?

>> No.4602389


Kek. We should find the local guy's facebook and tell him what it's worth.

>> No.4602390

The guy wants a 32" smart TV for trade lol I'm not even kidding. I think this guy's wife has taken control of his money.

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>> No.4602434

I've got a 40" one I just bought two days ago for $30

>> No.4602438


I believe the horizontal bowing is unfixable unless you make physical adjustments inside. But that looks pretty good to me.

>> No.4602439

Just give him the $140 cash like now.

>> No.4602476

I wish I had enough room for a rear projection TV, I always thought they were so cool when I was younger. I see them outside by the road sometimes but I'd have a hard enough time getting it home, much less making space for it.

>> No.4602484

Not worth it unless you just really like the aesthetic and technology. They were not good TVs when new and now that they're worn out and have cloudy tubes they're even worse.

>> No.4602580
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Oh, God; I had one that looked like this for a good deal of my childhood. The front RCA hookups were a lifesaver.

They're fuzzy as shit, though; no?

I'd personally love one of these, just for nostalgia purposes; a family friend had it when I was younger and I remember being amazed that someone could actually have a movie projector and screen in their house and that you could plug consoles into it.

>> No.4602590
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My chigga Jackie on a mahjong game

>> No.4602625

Are widescreen CRTs any good?
Been searching for ages to find a CRT with SCART since I'm an ausfag and they're almost non-existant.

Found one though which will be a slight roadtrip but what do you guys think? Worth it or should I keep hunting?

>> No.4602638
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This is what it looks like, by the way. Forgot to post image. Looks like a fucking beast but it should fit where my current CRT is

>> No.4602649

Why would you want a widescreen one? Is that just all you're able to find? Sony made some widescreen trinitrons that can do HD resolution even but I'm not sure that's what you want in this case

>> No.4602652

If it’s HD then there’s not much of a point as you’ll still have to deal with upscaling and input lag. Also the 1080i CRTs I’ve seen all weigh over 200lbs (90kgs) so not worth the effort.

>> No.4602729

Are those tiny PVMs any good? On one side I've heard good things about PVMs but on the other they're just that - tiny.
Saw one where the screen seemed as tall as a PS2 disc.

>> No.4602765

19/20” or bigger should be what you aim for, though a 14” should serve you alright enough with 3rd gen and maybe 4th gen games if space is an issue. 8” PVMs are the most portable and cheap but obviously tiny and I can’t recommend one unless you randomly pick one from a thrift store for $20.

>> No.4602796

With the checker test pattern, do people typically push the image out until the edge of the red squares are slightly out of frame or is it best to leave them inside. I never was sure which was best.

>> No.4602807

With consumer sets you'll find that the geometry in the overscan area is often quite wonky and that's why the image is pulled out as far as it is. With a professional monitor this isn't an issue and you can display the whole raster.

>> No.4602885
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crt 'bloom' can be fixed, right?

>> No.4602908

If you still have the contrast bottomed out, raise it up to somewhere in the middle, then lower the saturation.

Picture is not meant to be maxed out like that.

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didnt work either im afraid

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for reference, and i can only assume this works because pausing dampens the colour
You should be able to see a crack in the circle instead of just radiant soap

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>> No.4602994

What does the best SCART to Trinitron setup look like?

I'm thinking either get the retrorgb component cables, or hook everything through SCART then back down to component.

-What are the best SCART cables?

-What is the best SCART -> component adapter?

-Is there a SCART multi tab thing so I don't have to swap cables out?

>> No.4603010

Which trinitron?

>> No.4603012

Open it up, turn down the G2 pot on the flyback.

>> No.4603046

Had one myself back in the early days of DVD.

>> No.4603227

Aren't those just as shitty at running retro hardware as a modern HDTV?

>> No.4603498
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What are you talking about? That's a perfectly fine monitor for playing old PC games.

>> No.4603749

they don't even have a scaler so without an external solution they wont take a 15khz signal at all. so technically it's worse than an hdcrt since you wont get any image.

I can't wait till some youtuber makes a video on vga monitors and they become a meme like pvms.

>> No.4604293
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Does this thing induce lag?

Because mine did.
I didn't have this model, it was 4:3 and silver, and it had HDMI in.

>> No.4604780

Yes, pretty much every CRT HDTV has a scaler with a couple frames lag, sometimes more on 480i/576i

HD PVMs and the like as well as PC CRTs that can handle HD resolutions don't have this issue.

>> No.4604852

I just wanted to let everyone know that I have access to tons of BVMs, and PVMs and they are for sale. No shit I am dead serious. Email me at [email protected] if interested.

>> No.4604935

I miss 4chan's email field.
You could put emails as well as hidden messages there.

fucking kikes.

Anyway, you got anything does 480p?

>> No.4605000
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I heard that some chinese fuck company manufactures CRTs for africans

Is this true?

>> No.4605181

Would help if you said where you're from.

>> No.4605308

Yeah we should

>> No.4605316

Also I am in the US that's all I can say, email me for more details

>> No.4605637


>> No.4605701

I've never heard of this, and I really doubt it's true. CRT factories have been shut down for years and it would be far cheaper to just manufacture crappy LCDs. And if they did still make CRTs, the lack of any big name brands involvement almost guarantees they're probably shitty quality.

>> No.4605765

There are still NOS CRT (tubes) sitting around, some of decent enough quality to actually be finished and sold (arcade monitors) but to my knowledge no tubes are still actually being blown.

>> No.4606068


8" is good for a test bench and the cheapness factor. They are too small to use to be honest, thought they would look good playing super gameboy or psp on, maybe atari or something would be cool, but think of them like a vectrex, not something you can sit away from and play on. There are no scanlines.

14" (13" viewable) are the sweet spot for price. They are good for playing 2-3' away from, like a computer monitor. Good for bedside or on a computer desk. Very good picture due to density of scan lines.

20" is a very nice size, the only downside is price.

Bigger than 20": I'm sure is great, but they cost an arm and a leg. I've never used one this size but I doubt there are any drawbacks.

>> No.4606150

>I doubt there are any drawbacks.
Besides needing 2 strong dudes to move it around

>> No.4606319
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Reorganized my tiny apartment closet so I can fit a CRT in there this weekend, but sitting on the floor against my bedframe is gonna suck. What floor seating arangements would you guys suggest to make my little Gamecube Hut™ comfier?

>> No.4606343

bean bag mah boi

>> No.4606361

A well designed 24-27" CRT is doable by one guy.

32" and above is 2 men or mechanical assistance only territory.

I used to have a 32" HD CRT, and while I couldn't carry it, I COULD lift it off its low table and set it on the ground, then load it into a handtruck and get it up and down stairs.

I traded it for a smaller 20" model though, so I could put all my retro stuff on a cart with wheels.

>> No.4606415

leaning on the couch while sitting on the floor is all I did as a kid, so I assume it wouldn't be that bad if you're tight on money.

>> No.4606745
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Oh my god it works. It fucking works. Jesus christ I was almost positive I was going to fuck it up

I rewired a Nanao MS9 arcade monitor to a vga amp and got it hooked up to an old AMD card. It literally took me a month after even getting the fucking monitor to get this to work. I don't think I've ever felt this relieved and happy before

>> No.4606981

good shit right there

>> No.4607032

Congrats, anon!

>> No.4607175

protip: instal xp 64bit on it

>> No.4607179

fantastic effort, anon. i know that feeling. no smoke, bang or zap? happy :)

>> No.4607191

Are consoles like PS2, Xbox and Wii also able to use Ycbcr component instead of Ypbpr component?

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>> No.4607209
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Is this monitor good for retro consoles (and maybe hooking it up to my PC to play old DOS games)?

>> No.4607249

>Is this monitor good for retro consoles

Heck yeah. Sensible size for typical desk viewing distances, looks great, has RGB, S-video and composite inputs, although with somewhat unusual connectors.

>(and maybe hooking it up to my PC to play old DOS games)

If you're thinking of CGA era games, definitely. Won't work with EGA/VGA modes natively though.

>> No.4607253

Wii is parallel YCbCr if you break into the lines before the output DAC. Xbox is RGB parallel before the encoder, and often not at the same resolution as its output. Don't know about the PS2. None of the three have anything digital at the standard output connector.

NTSC Gamecube does have parallel YCbCr in a format similar to but not compatible with BT.656 on it's Digital AV connector.

>> No.4607321

Yea. All of the 1084 commodores had composite and either s-video or RGB. Making a custom RGB cable for them is easy, the pinouts are all over the web. Just buy a a commodore RGB cable and splice it into a VGA or scart cable.

>> No.4607334
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here's my commodore 1084S hooked up with RGB

>> No.4607365

So it's all analog? That sucks

>> No.4607376

Yep. What were you hoping to use it for?

>> No.4607380

Here in the Philippines Chinese made CRTs are still being sold in shops. I was super surprised to see someone walking through the mall with one last month. They would probably be better off buying the used brand name ones imported from Japan and Korea that are on sale in shops that specialize in them.

>> No.4607519

Well if they had the option to use digital instead of analog quality would obviously be better

>> No.4607589

I had a Filipino bro I used to play Metal Gear Solid Port Ops with online. Him my brother and I were at the time, some of the best online players in that small community. We even became facebook friends. Filipino are based

>> No.4607625

Only higher quality on a digital TV. When the wii was released most people were still playing on CRTs

>> No.4607674

Browse 4chan on it

>> No.4607713

Here in Europe all tv's with a component port are LCD and the like, no CRTs

>> No.4607720

The Euro market wasn't ready for the high quality of component video

>> No.4607804

We'd had RGB in the form of SCART for close to 25 years by that point.

YPbPr was utterly redundant for European SD display purposes.

>> No.4608009

Mmm. Looking good!

>> No.4608041

>tfw can't find a CRT with SCART anywhere
>tfw can't find a Commodore monitor
Should I just give up and accept Composite?

>> No.4608079

You can apparently mod other CRTs to accept RGB, and there's ways to use VGA monitors too through a scandoubler or something of the sort. Also, you could find a PVM, they seem to be decently cheap in North America where I presume you are since you can't find SCART CRTs.

>> No.4608149

S-video (TV or video monitor)
PC CRT monitor + scaler (GBS8200 with custom firmware looks mega promising and still cheap)

>> No.4608173
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>not knowing about 240p120
Not the same guy, but almost the same monitor lmao

>> No.4608241
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I'm >>4608173 and that monitor was in my home (apartment, actually) since I was like 6/7 years old and was used as intended for years until both desktops died and was then kept there until we moved down to another house and kept the apartment as sort of a storage. I rescued this monitor last year when my parents told me they're going to rent the house to someone, and I use it as the main display for my laptops. I actually posted here before asking for help since it flickered after some time being turned on but realized later it probably was the lack of ventilation and after that it almost never happens even when being used for hours.

>> No.4608267
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Trinitron 240p120 BFI master race

>> No.4608281
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>retro hardware
I know it very well and I've told lots of people about how great it is.

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oh and I actually have a similar monitor to that, the Syncmaster 955df. No pics of it in 240p though.

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here's another one of my monitors running 240p

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and here's my current one

>> No.4608313
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>Y/Pb/Pr was mainly made available on those huge widescreen CRTs as far as I know.

I have one of these I think. It accepts the component and composite from the Wii. Id have to move it around to verify the exact model, but I am quite happy with it.

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blacklines are too thin

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How does my DMTech look? Some really weird unknown brand.

>> No.4608325

I think you've got a horizontal deflection problem. The image appear very wavy...

>> No.4608417

Thanks guys, it sounds and looks great. I'll get it.

>> No.4608486

That's the most 80s advertisement I've ever seen

>> No.4608595

Looks awesome to me

>> No.4608619
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Happy with my 13in (12in). I think its a 1344q. Not really good for 3+ player split screen. You can get away with 2p split but its a bit cozy.

>> No.4608695

So, I have mental problems and bought a modded PC engine Duo R.

Its RGB modded and comes with a scart cable. How tf do I plug that into an American CRT?

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Are these settings good? It says warm color temperature is the NTSC standard

>> No.4608764

Warm is standard for NTSC, you've got it right.

>> No.4608784

Alright thanks.

>> No.4608847

To calibrate picture/brightness/color/hue, use the 240p test suite homebrew

>> No.4608850

Where do I get to that?

>> No.4608859

You install it on the Wii

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Just bought a Trinitron for about 35 dollars and there's this thing... What do?

>> No.4608913

Can I fix the convergence myself or will the TV blow up?

>> No.4609041

is that just a yellow spot? It probably needs degaussing and the built in coil is failing. if you have another CRT put them face to face and the other one will degauss your trinny when you turn it on

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It gets this weird red shade when some big shapes of certain colors (mostly red and magenta) gets displayed. I don't know much that's why I asked if it was a convergence thing

Also doesn't the Trinitron degauss itself when you turn it off and on?

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Another one

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Psst...it’s a free meme to fall for.

>> No.4609164

Something is going bad in the red drive circuit. The question is whether it's just some caps shitting the bed or the actual amp going bad.

>> No.4609165

Will degaussing and turning the convergence thingies help?

>> No.4609179


This has nothing to do with the convergence or purity of the tube; Some of the electronics responsible for making everything actually work are going bad, and this isn't something you can mickey mouse and throw a bandaid on to deal with.

What you can try to minimize the issue is reducing the contrast and/or saturation so that the failing parts may not be stressed as badly, but it's not going to be a permanent fix.

What model is it anyway?

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Right now I have this but I am looking for a cheaper S-video auto sensing switch. Anyone know of any by model or name that are good but on the cheaper side?

>> No.4609607

I have that same Radio Shack switcher. It auto-senses and switches if you plug a power cable into it and flip the switch to automatic.

>> No.4609615

Yeah the Trinitron degausses itself when it's turning on. But if the built in degausser is not functioning properly you might need to degauss it with another source

>> No.4609621

I get this problem with a pair of component cables I have. Try moving your cable around or switching to another one to see if it fixes it

>> No.4609623

Kv 21xtr1

Man, that sucks. I'll try to sell it back and buy another one, then

>> No.4609629

I had my n64 connected to a different crt and never had this issue

I'll try this

>> No.4609802

I have VM on high also on Cool. Warm seems to red on my set.

>> No.4609806

does turning down the color a bit in the menu help reduce it? If it's not that then it's probably red failure.

>> No.4609815

Try putting it on warm and then turning down the color a few notches from the middle and see if it looks better. Cold looks like shit to me, but the default color settings with warm are way too red.

>> No.4609824

nice collection. now all you need is a good curved one to top it off

>> No.4609857

The TV didn't come with the original controller and it doesn't have any buttons to access the menu either, just tv/video, volume and channel. Fug

I tried my PS2 and although it looks a bit fuzzy it doesn't have those red shadows. Once I get back to work I'll try degaussing, switching cables, moving the TV around and so, to see if there's any changes

If you guys check the Megaman 5 shot the white letters aren't very sharp, having a bit of blue to one side and a bit of red to the other. I've read a bit and that seems to be a convergence/degaussing thingy, no? The thing would be to know if the shadow is related to that or not.

>> No.4610135

>Being this stupid
Some people just wanna throw money around, huh?

Anyway, beyond stressing how absolutely silly it is to buy an expensive console you don't know how to hook up, you have options. You could 1. Buy an RGB SCART to YPbPr Component adapter box and hook up to either a CRT with Component (Optimal choice) or most flat screens. This will cost you ~$50 and will also require a Component cable. 2. Get a hold of an RGB compatible CRT monitor, meaning a PVM/broadcast monitor or an older computer monitor. Both a PVM/Computer Monitor will also require adapters to hook up. So congrats, your hasty purchase has now tacked on $50+ dollars.

>> No.4610204

Thinking of buying one of the non-widescreen Sony Triniton CRTs that have component cable slots, buying some from of those SNES ones from retrovisions once they're back in stock for my RGB-enabled N64 and SFC Jr. and using that since i can't find a CRT that accepts SCART for RGB literally anywhere.

Is this a good idea? I'm using a newer CRT right now without component slots and I'm not noticing any input lag and if it's there, it's minimal at best.

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Just so long as you grab one that isn't HD capable, yeah, that'd work rather nicely.

A decent RGB to Component transcoder on an SD consumer set can give you really nice results.

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Definitely has awesome results, pic related. My HDRetrovision SNES cables on my Trintron WEGA KV24FS120.

If by "Newer CRT" you mean HDCRT, I would recommend exchanging for a standard def set. 240p looks and runs way better on SD sets, so I would go for it. Look out for the WEGA and XBR line of standard def CRTs. Also Toshiba made some nice silver sets with Component, those are nice too.

>> No.4610281


Gotta ask you guys, what do you think the sweet spot settings are for a Sony Trinition, for sound and picture. I personally have a 24' Sony Trinitron Wega but I'd like to find a collective agreement for what the best set up is so people who ask about the settings have a guideline for the best overall experience. Also I found this on Craigslist earlier and wondering what you all think.


>> No.4610369

I know.

I'm looking for an alternative because its going for $60 on jewbay. I have more consoles then ports.

>> No.4610373

That looks really nice, thank for showing anon.
Just gotta wait for those cables to get back in stock.

>> No.4610498

How much longer are CRTs gonna be around? Honest question. Is it possible for people to make new ones that work nicely with old consoles or is that not an option anymore?

>> No.4610570

Someone private clinic near me is selling an 35" EIZO Flexscan CRT Monitor for next to nothing. How are these things?

>> No.4610591


What the other anon said is correct. Your capacitor issue is what’s causing those retrace lines.

>> No.4610592

Just tried the degaussing methods for my Trinitron but the red shadow won't go away :(

I'll just put it on MercadoLibre (local eBay) and try my luck with another one

There's some brand new 21'' Microsonic TVs available for 100 dollars. Do I go for that or should I insist on looking for Trinitrons?

>> No.4610665

Are Panasonic CRTs any good?
I see someone selling a 28" for $20 and it has component slots so I can get RBG running into the thing.

>> No.4610751

>I'd like to find a collective agreement for what the best set up is so people who ask about the settings have a guideline for the best overall experience
The problem with that is that each set needs to be individually adjust for the condition that it is in, a lot of it from age.

Sticking to either standard or "Professional" mode is usually where you want to stick with to avoid unnecessary picture processing (not in terms of delay, just in terms of it messing with your colors/PQ).

The sharpness setting you could try to keep as low as you can as it's gonna added ringing if turned too high, but the middle point isn't usually too bad.

Picture, Brightness, and Contrast all need to be messed with based on the age and condition of the tube.

>> No.4610891

Use a test pattern. http://www.mediacollege.com/video/test-patterns/colour-bars-smpte.html

>> No.4610908

Is there any way to make this appear on your tv or do you have to use a ROM/video/DVD/whatever?

>> No.4610924

Usually not on the TV itself. You can use a DVD, video, many game consoles using the 240p test suite homebrew software, a computer with TV out, a proper video test generator.

>> No.4610927

Mind you, if you're gonna use 240p Test Suite, I'd stick with either the DC, GC, or Wii version. I wouldn't trust the 4th Gen console versions to handle them properly.

>> No.4610930

The 4th gen versions should be fine for chroma/phase and contrast setup, but not quite right if you want to use them for brightness setup to US NTSC standards. Fine for NTSC-J standards though where there is no sub-black.

>> No.4610946

Next time I'm grabbing a Trinitron I'm going to bring my N64, Everdrive and the NES 240p test so I don't screwed again :^)

>> No.4610961

Honestly, if you're just testing to see the quality of a set, you don't NEED the test suite to check for any of that. Any game that you know the look of extremely well will work just as well, and has the bonus of you being able to more easily test for real world linearity problems than staring at green hill zone scroll by.

The grids and all that are certainly nice though.

>> No.4610974

I lnow this probably gets asked a lot, but what's a good way to convert VGA to RCA? Any good, trustworthy converter boxes?

>> No.4610975

RCA is just a connector, what kind of signal do you need? (or what device do you want to connect it to/from?)

>> No.4610979

Trying to connect my Thinkpad, which has a VGA female port, to my CRT TV, which is red-white-yellow RCA input (I'm a brainlet so I don't know the proper term for it)

>> No.4610995

Are powered ones better than not powered ones?

>> No.4610997

The yellow port is called composite video. You can get pretty cheapo converter boxes like this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAAH74144898&cm_re=vga_composite_av-_-9SIAAH74144898-_-Product, although they're not great for retro since they don't do "240p" resolution, they're fine for video.

Does the TV have any other kind of input?

>> No.4611004

Nope, I looked for S-video but couldn't find anything
Thanks for the link lad

>> No.4611016

Actually, on further inspection, I have another CRT TV that DOES have S-Video

>> No.4611038

Yes usually. They repeat the signal usually.

>> No.4611114

The linked cheapo converter box also has S-video to get a bit better quality.

Still not ideal for retro though.

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Saw this on Facebook, only $20 and it's a hell of a nice size

Are the top inputs component? They look like them to me but I'm not sure

>> No.4611232

Seems component video yeah. Does it have SCART too?

>> No.4611237

Nah, just that
I was going to buy one of those retrovisions SNES/64/GCN RGB component cables and use that.

>> No.4611274

In case you didn't know already, note the N64 will only work with the retrovision cable if it's been modded, and will only work with the Gamecube if it's a PAL model.

>> No.4611426

This. I don't know what was up with Nintendo and lack of RGB compatibility on most of their retro systems. NES is understandable but N64 and GCN had it actively removed.

You should get a Wii first. Native component output, good emulation capacity and native GCN

>> No.4611429

How are Thomson CRTs? My brother found a larger one of those and is considering buying it.

>> No.4611431

>Are the top inputs component?
I use a samsung with component. It is awesome for the Wii. 480p looks good.

>You should get a Wii first. Native component output, good emulation capacity and native GCN

IF that tv works for $20, I would get it in an instant just for the Wii, just for the reason you suggested.

>> No.4611453

Probably the last great American made CRTs.Not as "square" pixels as a Trinitron or quite as tight a shadow mask as Mitsubishi but very reliable.

>> No.4611508

Thomson is a French brand, so I don't see why the models sold in Europe would be made in the US. I had no idea the brand was in use in the US.

>> No.4611652

JJ Thomson, a British physicist discovered the electron and created the modern crt "picture tube". GE and RCA, major American electrical and electronic companies came from his patent company and the last US CRT factory in Circleville, Ohio was banned after him. Probably theres some unrelated European company.

>> No.4611678

Yeah, it was apparently originally a sister company to General Electric that eventually became Thomson.

>> No.4611685

Too much time on /pol/ has significantly clouded your judgement.

It's french through and through.

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Sup, /CRT/.

Anyone in Texas around DFW interested in purchasing/trading for a PVM-14M4U? I have no room for mine anymore, plus I nitpick too hard for CRTs in general. Gonna see about going for an OSSC, instead.

I have no pictures on me, lost the old ones I took before, but it still works and all. You can have my scart to BNC adapter too, if you like.

>> No.4612034

So I have this RCA Colortrak plus crt and the text looks a bit blurry and meshes together with other text. Anyone have any clues as to what I could do? Or is RCA just trash?

>> No.4612286

Why the hell are BVM's going for no less than 2 grand now and good quality ones are going for as much as 5-6?

>> No.4612301
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>That seller who takes a picture of literally everything about the CRT including the fucking remote control but doesn't take a picture of the inputs

>> No.4612320

Ignore the 5k listing. That listing is by broadcaststore.com, who price gouge and honestly believe this outdated broadcast equipment is still worth several grand

The 20f1u listing is also way overpriced

>> No.4612486

The issue is that this is becoming the norm. I think we're past the point where this stuff is just outdated equipment that can be sold cheap, and we're now at the point where these are rare, enthusiast pieces of equipment that are worth top dollar. At least it seems that way.

>> No.4612539

>remote control is included
Lucky fucker

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>When your CRT breaks and you try to play on an LCD

>> No.4612736

>The TV didn't come with the original controller and it doesn't have any buttons to access the menu either, just tv/video, volume and channel. Fug

Look up the model number on ebay, chances are they have it for around $10-20.

Retrotech scart to component works well for this. It lets you get the best signal from your console and hook it to american televisions.

>> No.4612746


what is this from?

>> No.4612820
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i live in denton. what are you looking for?

>> No.4612901

Give it a lick

>> No.4612919
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>Give it a lick
EEeeew that's dirty.

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Vidya, mostly. SNES games, games from the various Playstation hardware, any of the Nintendo handhelds, Switch games. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on an AGS-101 with a good, scratch and dust free screen. Would also straight up trade for a good upscaler, but I don't suspect I'd find any trade that convenient here.

Given sold listings on ebay, I'd value mine at like $200. Doesn't sound too bad to me, given ebay prices seem to be generally higher, even before they rape you with shipping. Of course, if you'd rather keep looking for something cheaper, I totally understand. It's what I did to begin with.

I'd also trade for good art commissions.

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Would you either:

A) Buy a brand new CRT from factory
B) Look for several used and old Trinitrons until one works properly

>> No.4613561

Option B. Unless option A was new old stock of course, but if it came from a modern factory I'll pass.

>> No.4613589

It took ten days but it was still worth it

>> No.4614102

Fucking christ, I finally found a CRT with SCART
Now I just need to buy some RGB cables for my SNES and N64
Are these good, should I wait until they're back in stock? Should I buy elsewhere? What does /CRT/ recommend?

>> No.4614143

Buy cheap cables and rebuild them yourself assuming it's necessary

>> No.4614165

Does the PS2 do 240p over component on ps1 games?

>> No.4614169


>> No.4614173

>ps2 is now not reading my spyro 1 disc
Time to get a new laser.

>> No.4614179

pew pew good luck anon

>> No.4614867

Thanks anon. Didn't even think of doing that.

>> No.4614958

some powered ones can alter the signal.
Powered switchers made for the enthusiast niche are you best bet to get an auto switching powered switcher without the risk of getting one that degrades the video. They are pricey and usually sell out as soon as they are announced in stock.

if you keep your cables relatively short (as in you're not using extensions to send a signal across a room) then unpowered ones are fine. Unpowered/passive switchers do not alter the signal in any way. Any unpowered switcher will do fine since its pretty hard to fuck up making a unpowered switcher compared to a powered auto-detecting switch.

if you have 30mins to burn then watch these guy talk about it.

>> No.4615246

Anyone in the UK know where you can find pc crt monitors?

>> No.4616006

can anyone here help me with a Sony PVM issue? I recently got one for next to nothing sold as "broken". it works, but with issues. Line A produces garbled video no matter what I do. I managed to get Line B and the RGB line to work, but the menu doesn't display when the menu button is pressed. it's there, because I was able to enable it and change setting by knowing where menu positions are through the manual, but I can't actually see it. when a certain color is on screen, like orange, you can faintly see the menu like it's burn-in, but it's unreadable. is there a setting to make it visible, or is this board damage I can't fix? I'm more interested in getting the menu working than Line A since that will let me do geometry corrections.

>> No.4616041


Buy cheap cables. I've bought cheap cables and had no problems on a pvm or any consumer set when using a retrotek scart to component converter. Just make sure they say RGB and aren't just composite. Things like frameiester or oscc might be more prone to interference or something, but I've seen none when buying cheap assed cables.

I did get one of those packapunch ones that has a female scart to bnc for the pvm. It's a good cable, but I highly doubt you're going to see any problems on a crt.

Most cables are fine, but the worst you would have to do is either add or remove a 75 ohm resistor inside the scart head. I've never had any issue and never got one set up incorrectly.

>> No.4616048


Try setting your pvm into underscan mode. Sometimes this will allow menu to come up. One model which I forget has a known bug that makes the menu disappear. You can get it to stay on screen by moving either the menu or the screen a few pixels to the right or left. Try this and let us know if it works for you.

Line A might just be fucked. I'd try to get the menu going before trying line A.

>> No.4616067

it's a PVM-20N6U, I don't have underscan on the front. just Line A, Line B, RGB, Menu/Exit, Up, Down, Enter, and Power.

>> No.4616119


I don't know if this will help, but I believe your model is the one that has the bug: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/64-direct-view-single-tube-crt-displays/1435939-does-anybody-know-how-use-service-mode-sony-pvm-monitors.html

Take a look at that and see if anything seems relevant.

>> No.4616127

Also, this is a different model but has to do with the menu bug, if that's what's going on: https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=59507

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thanks but not related to my issue. it's really had to photograph but this is the best I can get. if you look closely, you can see where it says "MENU" above Psylocke. it looks like burn-in, but that's how the menu is displaying. the white is completely absent that would make it readable.

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>> No.4617089

My CRT occasionally goes black and white, but then if I pause the game or something it'll go back to normal until I unpause it. This is common with multiple systems and wires. Any ideas?

>> No.4617120

Does VGA look better compared to Component?

>> No.4617273

Maybe. What system/display are you thinking of?

>> No.4617423

Well I was just wondering for systems like PS2 which looks better.

>> No.4617432

PS2 has notoriously bad component output when compared to its RGB.

I think VGA out would only work with 480p and above titles though.

>> No.4617445

But do those 480p ones look better on VGA compared to component?

>> No.4617543

>tfw your CRT dies

g-guess I'll have to hit the thrift store...

>> No.4617570

I would reckon so.

>> No.4618825
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Vintage Sony Style store at the SF Metreon

the twitter Metreon thread is lit for the aesthetic

>> No.4619181

Okay, does the VGA cable work directly? I can't seem to find anything that indicates that, only people using transcoders and converters.

>> No.4619192

It should so long as the monitor you're using supports the resolution the PS2 is using, and supports sync on green.

>> No.4619376

I live in Ireland now and all the TVs are 50hz. Consumer sets won't recognize and switch to 60, will they?

>> No.4619412

Basically every single TV sold in PAL countries since the beginning of the 90s support 60hz. It's a bit more so and so if they support NTSC color, but even that is rare, and it doesn't matter as long as the console you're playing supports RGB.

>> No.4619417

Oh, that's actually great news. This is the manual for the monitor I'm looking at, is there a way to tell here if it supports RGB?

>> No.4619419

Most tvs use 60hz . Have you never played a PAL game that has a 60hz option?

>> No.4619423

Err, forgot link. https://www.manualslib.com/products/Grundig-Cuc-7350-1854767.html

>> No.4619478

>Euro AV - Fully wired
Pretty certain you're good to go

>> No.4619479

Fantastic, thanks.

I have never messed with PAL anything.

>> No.4619543

Make sure you get some SCART cables. The RGB functionality of European TV sets was mostly wasted back in the day because every single console came with composite cable and a SCART adapter for some retarded reason.

>> No.4619551

what a bunch of gay faggots

>> No.4619605

I would agree if this was a modern hipster tier store, but the link says it's pictures the guy took in 2000, so it's just kind of a vintage pic of some store.

>> No.4619613

I don't get why retards pay good money to suck the logs out of Sony's asshole. Plenty of brands made better products. They are the Apple of TV and stereo.

>> No.4619657

OK so I'll go pick this TV up from the dude in a few days. I'm going to hook it up to an old radeon card with crt_emudriver.

What do I need to do to get VGA to SCART RGB? From what I'm seeing this is a nonstandard thing, so am I better off fabbing my own cable?

>> No.4619785

>dissing '80s and '90s Sony

>> No.4619845

it's okay to diss post 90's Sony which is what this is. look at the picture, it's all WEGA sets which everyone realizes are subpar compared to offerings from other companies which didn't throw quality control out the window in the 2000's.

>> No.4619848

VGA out of a PS2 isn't something you can do or do easily at least. if there's a way to do it outside of the linux os I doubt it's any good. to get it to work with a monitor you'll need to use component cables with a converter to vga that has the correct pinout, or bnc converters and a monitor that has sog and bnc connectors for vga. have fun doing it cause it's a pain in the ass to get working.

>> No.4619945

What about Xbox or Wii? Most of the their library is 480p

>> No.4619970

sharp also made some awesome consumer sets.

>> No.4620034

my wegas fine though

>> No.4620135


I love the black trinitrons with the built in speakers. Hope someone picks this up.

>> No.4620248

My buddy got one of these from his school, it was just laying around. He said he'd give it to me but never did. Bastard.

>> No.4620264

keep telling yourself that when you look at the curvy ass geometry.

>> No.4620291

I'll give you one of mine

>> No.4620306

the SF Metreon used to be owned by sony and they had a dedicated PlayStation store and a huge arcade upstairs. I used to love going there but it has since turned into a shitty Target with shitty restaurants downstairs with the imax theater that nobody goes to anymore. SF is such a fucking shithole now I dont even like walking around outside in public in the city filled with dirty gay assholes. Hard to believe its already 18 years since 2000 when anime was still huge and you could still buy crts.

>> No.4620454


did you read the twitter thread I linked? Really cool stuff

>> No.4620514

yeah cool stuff I remember buying quite a few ps1 games at the playstation store. I remember they had Tron Bonne but I didnt buy it at the time (huge mistake). I went there right before they closed and I remember playing the ps2 version of Sonic Unleashed. The Arcade upstairs closed sometime around 2010 I think. Sucks because I could go play a few games after work and they had Wing War and a few other obscure games. Last time I went to the arcade it was completely empty almost and they were selling off machines.

>> No.4620650
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I just found a live concert rental place selling monitors, I asked for a quote.
Here are the prices. I already own a 2130QM and a 1443MD, and was hoping to find a larger screen, cute 8" or a multiformat.
No such luck, except for the 2730 lot, but the price seems a bit high.
What do you think about these prices ?

>> No.4620658

>assuming €
27" price is okayish given todays monitor prices I guess, depending on condition. But are they selling the pack of 5 only ?
rest is really meh.

>> No.4621017

This video is filled with dirty gay assholes. Doesn't look like anything has changed

>> No.4621043

Too many criminal dindus not buying enough Sony TVs. That Bandai store was fucking awesome I bought some gundam gunpla there right around the time the Cowboy Bebop movie came out. SF was actually pretty chill between 90s & 2000 and had not gone full aids shithole. IMO SF died when Sega of America left.

>> No.4621050

Actually dindus bought a lot of Sony TVs. It didnt matter tho cause Sony was terrible with money and wasted a lot on that shitty Final Fantasy Movie.

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>> No.4621280
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I am thinking of getting into Laserdisc.
Mostly because I would like to watch classic anime movies and pause them frame by frame.

But I have heard that you are not supposed to pause and go frame by frame with Laserdisc because it damages the disc?, damages the player?

Is this true? Does it matter if the disc is CAV or CLV?
If I cannot pause and frame by frame on LDs then I will just watch downloaded anime on an IPS monitor.

What a QT3.14 TV

>> No.4621387

so, came to a decision ?
also, where ?

>> No.4621390

Shouldn't damage anything. Has to be CAV unless you get a fancy player with frame store or else you get no video while paused.

>> No.4621432

Not yet. 200€ is way more than I was hoping for a 2730. The store is closed on weekends anyway.
It's in Western France.

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>> No.4621457

>Western France.
biarritz, bordeaux, nantes or brest ?
I'm too far anyway, just curious.
I understand, but honestly I doubt you'll find a 27" monitor much cheaper.

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it's okay though we got target now you enjoy the bull terrier mascot no?

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Not sure if CRT is the right thread but it IS related:

Is there a way to shield un-shielded cables?
Right now I get bad buzzing from the speakers with my SNES scart setup which is:

SNES > scart cable (unshielded) >scart audio breakout (unshielded) > YUV converter box (sheilded) > CRT TV

As is - buzzing
If I unplug the scart from YUV box - no buzzing
If I leave the scart plugged in the YUV box and unplug the component cables - no buzzing
If I leave all the cables in but unplug the YUV box - buzzing

Where along the line should I look to shield the wires, or at best, resolder better gauge wires? I think the scart cable and the breakout box is 26GA or something thin

>> No.4621696

probably not a shielding issue
sounds like a ground loop or adapter issue. that 3.5mm to phono adapter is stereo right? It's not just a splitter being used in reverse? What are you using as an amplifier, the TV itself?

>> No.4621717

It is in stereo. For NTSC snes scart, pins 2 and 6 are audio L R, with 4 ( or a few others) being ground. the breakout box basically sends all the pins though except for the 2,4,6. I did a test by soldering a 3.5 right to the MULTI OUT pins on the snes board, but for some reason I was only able to get one channel, but it had no buzzing.

the only thing i can think of is that the ground pin on the scart has to match the exact ground pin on the breakout box. the thing is I dont know which pin on the snes scart cable is being using for ground for the audio. the colors of the wires arent standardized

>> No.4621719

Cheapo SCART cables leaking video into the audio lines with a 50/60Hz buzz is pretty common.

>> No.4621735

start checking with a multimeter
I still think it's a ground issue, not shielding.

>> No.4621798

>Is there a way to shield un-shielded cables?

El cheapo (but also nintendos own official scart cable) tend to use only video ground, pin 17 (although I just opened my spare el cheapo and supprisingly it had all grounds wired.)

>> No.4621801

dumb question but where do i put the leads to test? on the scart pins?

>> No.4621819

well if you want to see if the snes scart cable uses pin 4 for audio gnd, continuity check pin 4 and the appropriate part of the scart connector (or even to your phono breakout)
basically run a quick continuity check on everything just to be sure
based on your original post about plugging and un-plugging, it sounds like a ground loop. you still didn't say what amplifier you're using (TV audio?) so you could try some PC speakers

>> No.4621829

alright so I finally got a scart cable for my RGB modded SNES and now I've just got to somehow convert the RGB to composite or s-video so I can hook it up to my trinitron. what's the best way of doing this? it's one of those black sony sets from the 90's if that matters.

>> No.4621834

I've been following your plight for like two weeks, Anon.hat you want to do assuming Anon's advice is sound (and it seems reasonable to me) is establish a new clean ground specifically for audio. Use your multimeter to find the wire that should be the audio ground and assure it's not connected to any other pin. If you can't and you can't isolate it, cut it open and run a completely new one.

>> No.4621836

I don't like your post one bit

>> No.4621838
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PS2's component output is fine if you use good (official is a good place to start) cables. The difference between it and RGB is so minimal, you have to wonder if it's even worth the potential inconvenience. Most existing comparisons were done with shit $4 no-name cables.

>> No.4621839

thanks man, i'm going to do that now. and the amplifier is a 2003 sony str-de595. i've never had grounding issues with anything else plugged into it until this

thanks gramps, you probably remember the thread i made the other week. i blew the fuse on the snes but was able to get a new one and all is well. If I could've gotten that 3.5mm directly from the pins on the multi out, it woulds be fine but no luck,

>> No.4621845

Why? You seem pretty helpful to everyone else, can't you help me too? :(

>> No.4621853

get an rgb capable display or get all your money back.

>> No.4621864
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Just for reference here's what I'm working with. On this cable pin 17 is empty so no ground there. Pin 4 is a grayish wire so it might actually be ground

>> No.4621867

eh it a shitty picture, disregard

>> No.4621872

you've got a real amp. chances are that it has a 2-prong power cord, so no ground issues from that.

it's probably that pin 4 / pin 17 / whatever stuff like >>4621798 mentioned. so possibly the SNES to scart cord is cheap and not playing nice with the rest of the setup due to the gnd pins they used / didn't use. that's my final guess, continuity check on the grounds should tell you a lot

>> No.4621874
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Passed by this thread, thought I'd show you guys Midnight Club 3 running with Sony component cables with progressive scan forced and output resolution unfucked back to its original framebuffer resolution (512x448). No this isn't emulation, but it's pixel perfect down to the dither so it might as well look like one.

Whoever is telling you component and RGB are night and day is feeding you bullshit. PS2 is quite beautiful underneath, but much like the N64, what people see on the surface is the output being taken a hot dump on. In PS2's case, it looks ugly because of the the different ugly interlacing modes and developers stretching a sub optimal framebuffer resolution like 512x444 to 640x448, plus a half pixel blur to pass as ""anti-aliasing"". Get rid of all those things and you get what is essentially my image. All on real hardware of course. No RGB needed.

>> No.4621880

I'm not sure if Midnight Club 3 does legit 480p, but another good one to try is MGS2 which can be forced to true 480p. Works well because the colors are very clean in the game and any differences would be easy to spot. From your screenshot, and the one I posted here >>4621838 I personally can't tell which one looks better, they're different, but if RGB is 100% the intended visuals of the game, component is 99% of that.

The difference all comes down to using good cables. The lie spread from people buying shit ali express or ebay cables from no name brands and thinking that's what PS2 component just is. Then came the justifications from people who supposedly knew what they were talking about.

>> No.4621884
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And here is the same spot with no modifications, 480i, Sony component. It's quite ugly with the blur and framebuffer stretched.

Midnight Club 3 doesn't support progressive scan but you can force it to with GSM. It's weird because it works flawlessly so there's no reason why it can't be shipped with it. It's true component is 99.9% quality at best compared to RGB at 100% because if you zoom in, you can see a bit of color fringing from being analog. But still, don't fall for the RGB meme for that 0.01% difference. That one video by My Life In Gaming doesn't even mention GSM at all, so if anyone is getting their insight from them, you're missing a pretty big chapter from the whole story. Believe what your eyes tell you >>4621874.

>> No.4621889

It's not that the PS2s component output looks bad in comparison to RGB output. The video output itself is just fucked up a little in comparison to another console. Everything component suffers from on the PS2 is there in RGB.

>> No.4621891
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now without complicating anything: my cable has a 220 cap at pins 16 and 18, like a PAL cable does (though the pinout says 18-20) the ntsc cable should NOT have a cap there.

Does it even matter? the picture looks good on my tv even with that cap there.
Also I've narrowed it down to two pins, either 4 or 18. 18 has a black which matches the PAL gnd, but theres also a gray at pin 4 which onlt matched NTSC as a /possible/ ground pin choice.

>> No.4621898

Correct. The main reason why PS2 looks like ass is because the image being stretched before the final output. Then half pixel "anti-aliasing" blur (some games don't have this, Midnight Club 3, MGS3).

>> No.4621917

Looks great. Do you use GSM for that?

>> No.4621924

Yes. Midnight Club 3 is awful in the sense that the aspect ratio is actually wrong if you play it normally. Using GSM 480p makes it 512x448 so things look more aspect correct, deinterlaced, plus super sharp image quality.

>> No.4621937

> convert the RGB to composite or s-video

fucking why?

The SNES already has decent composite and S-video output

>> No.4621945

I can't hear your audio problem to try to help much further. Is it signal + noise, or just a really loud noise with no signal?

I would probably remove the breakout and solder audio connectors straight off the scart connector. You could see if that works. Cut an RCA cord and use half.

If your cable really doesn't meet NTSC or PAL specs, maybe you should just get a new one.

>> No.4621957

its signal with faint buzzing. i mean you could probably tune it out but its still there.

just an update: games like DKC and DKC2 have almost no buzzing, but mario games have it pretty bad. all stars and mario kart are the worst. I really dont know now what the problem is.
if there was a way i could open the multi connector on the cord to see where the wires meet the pins that would help.

>> No.4621965

What the fuck is wrong with you? Why not make the signal black and white while you are it?

>> No.4621970
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wiring problems shouldn't be effected by the game. Maybe I was wrong, maybe it is shielding or something. So if you disconnect the video going into the YUV box , the audio is okay? That has gotta mean it's the YUV box's fault.

I'm gonna stop now because I didn't mean to shit up the CRT thread. Here's a photo to show what games looked like on a mid 90s consumer CRT.

>> No.4621982

Picked up a JVC AV32D305 (Nice curved CRT with component and 2 s-video)
and a KV-27FV16 flat panel CRT for about $15 total.

I plan on playing a lot of Wii VC, Dreamcast and Saturn with them. The real reason I bought two is because I eventually wanted to play some PS1 system link titles

Any suggestions for s-video cables for Dreamcast and Saturn?

And any suggestions for settings on the TV? It's been so long since I've configured one of these.

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Well good news anyways. I grabbed another 3.5mm cable I had, and retried soldering right to the board. It worked. Apparently I had a faulty cord I was using the first time around. So sending audio right from the av multi pins works great. No buzzing and full stereo thanks everyone and good evening. Here's a pic of my tv with rgb Genesis to stay on topic

>> No.4622014

That JVC is my favorite TV. You'll need a JVC remote to get into the service menu and adjust it, I hope it came with it. Press sleep to display the sleep timer at 0 and then press display and video status together to get into the menu. Just throw up a grid pattern and mess with the trapezoid, pin, and corner settings until it looks right.

>> No.4622017


>> No.4622029

>>the amount of unprofessionalism in this makes me think they don't know what they have on their hands
You know a Wega Shititron is worth $0, right?

>> No.4622039

Not now perhaps, but thanks to people like My Autism In Gaming and Autism Sack, I guarantee we’ll begin to see used crt prices increase over the next few years

>> No.4622060

Picking up my first PVM for $100 tomorrow. It's a 14L2. Anything I should know? I know which cables/adapters/mods I'll need for my systems.

>> No.4622094

So is there a way to hack in svideo/component/RGB to consumer trinitrons that are composite only?

>> No.4622095

Worth more than that.
>bbut it's shit for retro
True, but in 10 years time PS3 and Xbox 360 will be retro.

Are you going to want to replay E4 on a laggy LCD or an FD Wega?

>> No.4622108

Usually at least one of those.

>> No.4622140

It's in nantes. I was hoping, my two PVM were free so far. Most I paid was 50€ for my fw900

>> No.4622218

Appears I can do it via the TeleText port.
Had some quick plans on how to it, but apparently RCA female to F female connectors are like $8 a pop off eBay here?
I can get them $1.97 from parts express, with $60 shipping...
I'm guessing they're very US-cerntric parts...

I'm alright at soldering small wires, but I always mess up and make shit joints when dealing with large scale stuff like RCA connectors, I'd rather crimp up a few rg59 cables with f plugs and solder the other end.

Maybe I'm overthinking how much interference there might be inside the set, but I think Id prefer to keep the signal shielded right up to the teletext connector.

>> No.4622228

interesting, so you only need to use GSM to do this? Also Scart is only a meme for americans

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>HUD is correct, car is squashed
>HUD is stretched, car is correct

Just what in the fuck is going on here?

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Might want to get those eyes checked, astigmatism is a real condition anon.

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Top image has circular gauges yet oval VW badge

Bottom image has oval gauges yet correct width for the GS300


>> No.4622309

What model TV are you looking at? Never heard of one using an F jack for anything other than RF.

>> No.4622653

No it's not. Consumer Trinitrons were never worth anything. There's dozens of them for free in my area right now. Fuck off

>> No.4622681
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Would a 2007 4:3 SDTV Trinitron Wega be a good pick up?

I've read stuff that the quality of 2000's models had lowered, but on the other hand you can be sure it won't be in bad shape, at least compared to early 90's ones

>> No.4622828

You sure? I bought very cheap Xbox component cables on ebay for about €3 but it looks a lot better than component on PS2.

>> No.4623121
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Just bought this 2007 trinitron with almost no use. Now I know what you meant when you said they were the best commercial tvs. The pic doesn't do it enough justice

>> No.4623183

>early childhood tv
1995 Magnavox with mono sound and only RF input. we still had it until last winter, we downsized the house and had more tvs than rooms so we junked it
>late childhood tv
2004 Philips with Svideo and CVI. still have it to this day

>> No.4623394

This scaling and anti aliasing is actually a blessing for playing 480i games on SD CRTs using S-video or component.

Otherwise you get something like the Dreamcast which has none of this and as a result you must stick with composite (except for the few 240p games) as using S-video will result in flagrant combing artifacts and text flickering.

>> No.4623415

They're generally decent, although don't expect great geometry, vertical bowing is common.

>> No.4623436
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Picked up a Toshiba 24AF42 for $10. Really nice CRT.

>> No.4623540

We need more posts like these 2. Old threads used to be full of them.

>> No.4623590
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Still can't believe it looks this good

Can only imagine what a pvm looks like

>> No.4623618

Before you do, try putting a couple small,1cm by 1cm pieces of tape by the hole in the disc on the label side and see if it works.

>> No.4623680
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Having a similar experience, found a 37 inch trinitron browsing a local listing and am picking it up first thing tomorrow. I honestly can't believe my luck.

pic related: identical to the one i'm buying (seller pic was also potato phone quality but the front button design matches this perfectly)

>> No.4623691

Enjoy your back pain.

>> No.4623753

Have a fairly late model 4:3 Trinitron that accepts 1080 via DVI. It's fucking huge, dad bought it when it was new. Used to play games on it when I was younger but put it in the basement when I got a Plasma. Well mom and dad are moving to Florida and wanted to know if I wanted it. With the limited info I provided is it worth while to get? Since its 1080p light guns won't work on it right? Only cost involved is whatever it's gonna take to get 3 of my friends over to get it out of my moms basement.

>> No.4623770

Sony XF21M30
Found the parts I need locally anyway - https://www.jaycar.com.au/gold-rca-socket-f-61-socket/p/PS0494
So I'm going to get 3 of those, mount them to the back of the TV with the RCA facing outward and the F female sockets facing inward.
I'll then crimp up 3 RG59 cables with F male plugs and stripped back on the other end - this way I skip the 'macro' level soldering which I suck at (I'll still need to solder the other ends of the RG59 to a pcb with 75ohm resistors to ground and a 1uf cap for each component, then a small run of rg59 (or maybe smaller, I've got spare 3v-2c cable too) over to the teletext input.

Have to buy a few things so it won't be for a few weeks, but I'll post back here when it's done.

>> No.4623807

Not really a /CRT/ thing but it was on my mind today
The Wii was released at an awkward time, do you guys think it looks better on a CRT with SCART or a HD TV with Component?

>> No.4623905

Like compairing shades of shit.

>> No.4623926

It'll be 1080i. Light guns won't work, there is some input lag due to the scaling, and doesn't do the "scanline" effect of typical SD sets with retro consoles. Still nice for video and newer games.

>> No.4624064

480p capable (without scaling) crt with component or SCART.

>> No.4624080
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Is this a widescreen non HD CRT model? I already have a couple Wega/Trinitrons, but will be picking up a 26" Toshiba (#26AF45C) Widescreen CRT next Sunday.

Regardless, nice picture anon.

(pic related)

>> No.4624447

Holy shit, that's awesome. Got into that menu today with the included remote.

I'll need to tinker with that when I install the 240p test suite

>> No.4624585

>4:3 Trinitron that accepts 1080 via DVI

You don't want it. You want a model that doesn't do 720/1080i. If the model # has HS in it instead of FV or FS, it will be useless to you.

>> No.4624826
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Gonna pick up a pvm-1340 tomorrow. It'll be my first pvm and I'm really excited.
Now I will have to buy a bunch of new cables.

>> No.4624829

Congratulations on falling for the meme!

>> No.4624832

Neither, I would use a PC CRT because I'm not fucking retard.

>> No.4624912

update: got the tv, of course the guy didn't have a remote and I can't seem to get rid of the channel display in the menu. Any way around this or should I start looking around for a proper Sony remote?

>> No.4625006

So you have a wide PC CRT?

>> No.4625278

I want to find a CRT monitor for Dreamcast VGA shenanigans. Are there any other consoles that had good VGA support?

And is there anything I should be looking for with these old CRT monitors?

>> No.4625302

all others VGA consoles are not retro.
and for proper VGA support, only 360 qualifies. All others you need to go through variying hoops.

>> No.4625398
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Played a little Cho Aniki on the Saturn, in remembrance.

>> No.4625519
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Not him, but they exists

>> No.4625719
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So this is maybe a retarded question, but I gotta ask. Ive had a Trinitron for a while now and it has plenty of ports on the back and one on the front. Now here's where Im a moron. I can't figure out how to change inputs. I can swap between DVD/HD/and TV which just results in snow, and can't figure out how to make use of all my video ports.

The inputs I can get it to go to work fine and I can hook whatever up too, it's just getting to be a pain to have to swap connections every time i want to play a different system and Id on't know if the guy I got it from did something weird to it.

pic related is not my set but the closest approximation I could grab a pic of right now. I won't be near my set for a while

>> No.4625908


shit seems hard to find

>> No.4625965

check gumtree and other online classifieds, or facebook. try putting up a wanted ad, that works sometimes. the biggest trick is to remain patient though. a lot of people seem to think you can look for two weeks and find an fw900. took me like four months to find an ideal monitor.

>> No.4625998

Aye thanks for the tips, there are very few near me, and only one on ebay that will post is from Portugal and i have a feeling ill get slapped with a huge customs bill if i order something that big.

and i have no idea if Gateway is a good brand

>> No.4626049

Where in blighty are you?

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>> No.4626306

New bread?

>> No.4626550

new bread.

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