F-Zero vs. Wipeout

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F-Zero vs. Wipeout Anonymous Tue Feb 13 13:27:30 2018 No.4586297 [Reply] [Original]

which series is better? also what's the best installment of wipeout to play?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 13:30:06 2018 No.4586302 F-Zero is far better. Play Wipeout for a while and you'll know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 13:37:19 2018 No.4586315 Wipeout, very deep and engaging physics. All the PS1 games are awesome.

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 13:39:51 2018 No.4586318

F-Zero if you prefer wilder, more aggro, faster gameplay.
Wipeout if you prefer more of a regular racing game that still feels pretty fast, and feels more like the machines are actually hovering (F-Zero feels more like a magnetic field is between the machines and the soil, which IMO is why it feels swifter)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 13:43:27 2018 No.4586329 >>4586318 desu Wipeout always felt faster to me simply because of how tight the tracks are, there is no time to relax what so ever

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:16:46 2018 No.4586374 F-Zero is babby shit. Wipeout is a fucking artform. I'm not even talking about aesthetics here either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:17:59 2018 No.4586376 >>4586374 >more aggressive grame is babby shit Explain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:25:18 2018 No.4586392 >>4586297 Fzero

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:27:15 2018 No.4586395 >>4586376 Only babby are aggressive

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:27:50 2018 No.4586397 SNES F-Zero is better than any Wipeout. But most Wipeout games are better than every other F-Zero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:29:07 2018 No.4586402 File: 37 KB, 500x270, 21662259743_3d9f989f07[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Wipeout

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:35:45 2018 No.4586412 >>4586397 But F-Zero X is the best F-Zero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 14:38:39 2018 No.4586416 Wipeout/F-Zero crossover game when?

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:04:38 2018 No.4586452
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>>4586297
the best f-zero isnt retro, so I cant post it :/ wipeout is trash. It's not just bad compared to fzero its bad by itself. extreme g is much better. Wipeout is too much style over substane..

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:06:29 2018 No.4586454 File: 25 KB, 437x471, 1513709438497.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4586452 This is extreme-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLBk1L-l2hk

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:07:16 2018 No.4586457 >>4586452 >Extreme G anything other than steaming dog-eggs Opinion fucking landfilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:09:07 2018 No.4586463 File: 1.50 MB, 250x233, 1518519183983.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4586454 Gotta love that silky smooth 3fps

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:09:19 2018 No.4586464 File: 2.42 MB, 1920x1080, 1516870538937.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4586454 this video is less laggy, sorry about that: https://youtu.be/HMan5o1uKaI

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:11:51 2018 No.4586471 >>4586397 most retarded opinion ITT

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:12:50 2018 No.4586472 File: 2.94 MB, 328x178, uma.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4586457 no sorry, you misunderstood. F-zero is without the doubt the best racer. But I think wipeout is trash and xtreme-g is much better than wipeout

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:14:04 2018 No.4586475 F-Zero if you like going fast, Wipeout if you enjoy combat in exchange for speed. >>4586452 >extreme g is much better Fuck no it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:20:30 2018 No.4586485 >>4586475 Wipeout shines when doing time trials just like all singleplayer racing games

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 15:20:41 2018 No.4586487 >>4586472 I know what you think. I knew from the beginning. The only thing which confuses me is how someone with a single digit IQ found their way here to /vr/. Did your legal guardian click the wrong link or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 16:25:40 2018 No.4586582 >>4586452 >the best f-zero isnt retro GX is only better with regards to some stage designs and visuals; X completely shits on it otherwise (e.g. controls, atmosphere, music, more features like X Cup, Death Cup, and so on...).

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 16:31:11 2018 No.4586587 >>4586582 Death Cup is so fucking good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 16:34:15 2018 No.4586595 >>4586297 I prefer Wipeout. I enjoyed the shit outta Wipeout HD.

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 16:36:13 2018 No.4586601

>>4586582
I'd say GX has better controls overall just because of quick turning and stalling instead of having to do sharp turns with side attacks, but there's a huge variance between the different vehicles, whereas X all the ships mostly control the same with varying grips. Try the Sonic Phantom if you want X-style controls in GX, but even with that you won't get the side attack turns.

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 16:41:05 2018 No.4586610

>>4586297
I like both series very much, but I'm not sure it's a fair comparison.
Because in Wipeout, you can use weapons to get ahead in the race, while in Fzero, it's all about speed and skill.
Not that Wipeout doesn't require speed and skill either, but havings weapons is a huge difference to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 16:42:27 2018 No.4586613 f-zero gx has a machine with a booster that has a gunshot sound. Does wipeout have that?

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:03:35 2018 No.4586661 [DELETED]

>>4586610
jesus christ vr doesn't know anything ever, wipeout is all about time attack, no one gives 2 fucks about races which is easy as fuck to win always. When you start playing for phantom times you'll see the ridiculously high level of skill wipeout takes especially xl and 3, the fucking lines and execution are far beyond that gay goofy nintendo shite for talentless shit that ned to drag along the walls. Why are you such a fucking clueless cunt like everyone else who posts here?

>>4586297
>which series is better? also what's the best installment of wipeout to play?
wipeout by far, best style and music and crazy high skill ceiling that doesn't let you be a wall dragging shite like that goober nerdling cunt shit f-zero. Xl and 3 ntsc-u are the best games in the series, 64 is also strong and very underated for the same reasons that cunt nintendo babies hated how much it demanded you learn it properly and you can't hit walls.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:04:43 2018 No.4586668 >>4586661 take your medicine, jesus

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:05:12 2018 No.4586670

>>4586582
the gc one has better steering, steering via attacks is retarded

64 is cool because drifting is viable, leading to different driving styles

gc has more vehicle variance but there is really only one style and attacking is less important to beat master. gc has better track variance too

for me its 50/50. I'm not buying another nintendo console until they make another

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:06:12 2018 No.4586676 >>4586661 >goober nerdling cunt shit LOL, what the fuck man, why are you so agitated?

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:10:23 2018 No.4586687 [DELETED]

>>4586472
look at this typical stupid cunt he thinks the easiest game is the bestest with the gay corny characters and shit and thinks extremne-g is good which is easy as fuck to but hates the actually skillful game with the cutting edge style and amazing osts that punishes weak stupid scum like him who can't master actual steering and needs walls to let him slide along, fuck off and die you dumb cunt.

>>4586475
>Wipeout if you enjoy combat in exchange for speed.
phantom time trial is all that matters, jesus christ has anyone here played fuckign anything ever?

>>4586485
this x10

>>4586452
shit opinion twat lord, learn to play you beginner spastic.

>>4586374
this.

>>4586376
more aggressive? the walls don't even punish you ffs and theres hardly any fucking turning.

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:12:49 2018 No.4586691 [DELETED]

>>4586668
great rebuttal pussyole, unlike you i actually play at a good level whilst you know jack shit.

>>4586676
because I'm sick of vrs utter ignorance on every game ever because they don't play anything to a competent level, shit worthless ppl need to be told how shit they are at every opportunity.

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:13:30 2018 No.4586692

>>4586687
>the walls don't even punish
Right, the F-Zero machines are resistant, they're made to kill, not to be destroyed. Only get trashed if you suck at it.
>hardly any fucking turning
There's turning, sliding and 360 spin of death.

Anyway, it's stupid to argue with fanboys of either side. Both games are only similar superficially.
This anon already told it how it is: >>4586318

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:16:29 2018 No.4586697

>>4586692
>Right, the F-Zero machines are resistant, they're made to kill, not to be destroyed.
yeah like i said dumbed down pleb shite for donuts who can't muster the pure racing concept of execution the best lines for the best times, in either game no one worth a piss plays anything but time trial anyway until you do this you won't understand shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:23:04 2018 No.4586710 >>4586691 >shit worthless ppl need to be told how shit they are at every opportunity. Uh, okay anon. Keep up the good work, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:24:12 2018 No.4586714 >>4586697 Why are you so angry? Games are different mechanically anyway. The only similarities are the "futuristic racing" aesthetics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:25:11 2018 No.4586717 wipeout physics = lol I'm driving a hovercraft F-Zero physics = Holy shit it's a fucking rocket!!! Fucking Diddy Kong Racing did better hovercraft physics

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:27:55 2018 No.4586726 Wipeout effectively has delayed turning because of the float. The execution is basically inputting for the very next part of the track rather than the part that you're on, in spite of its relatively slow speed. Bit of an autistic memorization game desu

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:29:14 2018 No.4586727 >>4586714 >Why are you so angry? Cee's always like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:30:47 2018 No.4586731 >>4586717 >Fucking Diddy Kong Racing did better hovercraft physics actually true, the effective response time is significantly quicker but I'd still rather just use the karts for proper turning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:31:41 2018 No.4586732 >>4586691 It seems that you need a stronger medication >pussyole jej

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 17:50:13 2018 No.4586765 Cee, I want you to please answer this honestly. You have an extremely high opinion of yourself and occasionally announce your posts with "cee here". Why don't you use a tripcode?

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 19:27:12 2018 No.4586964
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>>4586297
WipEout by leaps and bounds. For one you actually have to employ the basics concepts of racing such as out-in-out, lane keeping around opponents etc. and hitting the walls is usually punished. The best classic installment for beginners is Wip3out (SE if you can get it) and the best modern installment by far is the Omega collection. Combines HD, Fury and 2048. HD and Fury themselves both containing the best tracks from Pure and Pulse.

F-Zero is also good, but it's a VERY different game that rewards different things. Don't even put them in the same ring, they're not comparable.

>>4586613
Turbo "weapons" in WipEout have a chunky kick to them in Pulse onwards. In the original WipEout HD/Fury, stopping your ship and starting the thruster again will cause a thump.

>>4586717
Try something faster than Vector or Venom.

>>4586610
Weapons can be toggled off in custom races in certain installments.

>>4586714
This, as I said

There's always the music too. F-Zero has memorable tracks just as WipEout has good picks from the era it was released from. WipEout tends to have picks from whatever British nightclubs were playing at the time, since the first game was conceptualised in one (They were playing that beach boys song, hence the name). I think the PS1 games even play their music in a CD player too, but I could be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 19:33:31 2018 No.4586985 Wipeout is trash

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 19:35:54 2018 No.4586990 >>4586471 you're wrong, and you don't properly appreciate how much of a masterpiece f-zero was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 20:17:39 2018 No.4587076 The real question is why did nintendo give sega the ok to add four teenagers to the cast in GX/AX

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 20:28:31 2018 No.4587091 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2EmIXPJIWY actually bought fzero x the other day, still havent played it yet though

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 20:30:55 2018 No.4587096 >>4587091 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3wR5ULN6h0 wrong video

Anonymous Tue Feb 13 22:54:22 2018 No.4587389

>>4586964
hitting things is punished in f0, you just aren't good enough at it (not a dig at you) to play at a level that it matters

to beat master you need to not only drive perfectly, but also snipe the top 3 people in the points lead via a side attack (they'll beat you even if you drive perfectly on enough tracks that you need to dot this.) you might have to hunt to get that side attack for 4 tracks by lining up a perfect vector on a turn or straight to hit them. you might only get once chance

I like f0 because the emphasis is reaction time and adaptability. you'll need to change the vector of your turn/drift/line if someone is blocking you, if you need to alter it to snipe a person, if you fucked up your grip on the fun physics on the halfpipe/tunnel/cylinder

also air control

you still need lines, but you cant just put the track to memory, you need to adapt. there are also basically 2 styles you need to master, speed/grip and drifting/no grip

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 23:32:23 2018 No.4587435 Why is this manbaby so angry. Shitposter aside, both are too different to compare. I prefer aesthetics and feel of F-Zero, but WipEout is more actually hovercraft-y and better balanced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 23:36:33 2018 No.4587440 >>4586582 This, I love the comic book aesthetic and heavy metal soundtrack, wish GX kept it. Also sliding >>>>>>>> snaking.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 13 23:40:41 2018 No.4587449

>>4587440
yeah snaking is gay. I really liked the fact that there had been 2 completely different but viable styles that need completely different inputs like a fighting game

the gc one has pretty good aesthetics though. a futuristic chinese space pirate/bounty hunter acky races vibe

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 00:56:08 2018 No.4587539 >>4586726 This is a stupid complaint. Setting yourself up for turns is a key aspect of any proper racing game because of a little something called physics, it's what makes the games fun memorization or not.

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 01:45:35 2018 No.4587590

This guy screaming that F-Zero X is baby because of the wall stuff at the start (as if that was easy or trivial) seems to be judging the game by looking at some YouTube videos for a bit and that's it. Walls punish you except in that limited circumstance and even then only doing an specific thing, in an specific sliding setting (max accel). Mastering sliding is absurdly hard in that game, and it's not an exploit, it's in the manual. When you get to exploit-y flying tricks the game becomes insane.
Beating the staff ghosts with jumper settings (near max speed) and not abusing anything requires you to be really, really good at the game.
Anyway, does Wipeout run at 60FPS?

>>4586452
One of the very few games I miss being able to discuss here, but not worth the spam of 6th gen garbage.

>>4586964
>F-Zero is also good, but it's a VERY different game that rewards different things. Don't even put them in the same ring, they're not comparable.
This. I hate when these get compared only because of the futuristic aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 02:02:32 2018 No.4587615 >>4587590 >Anyway, does Wipeout run at 60FPS? The PS1 games sadly don't, 64 does I believe but I'm not too sure. If you want to play 60+ fps classic Wipeout, play BallisticNG.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 02:07:59 2018 No.4587628 >>4587615 >64 does I believe but I'm not too sure. Nope, not with those textures; it's 30 max.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 02:50:18 2018 No.4587695 >>4586964 wipeout is not a beach boys song my dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 03:28:17 2018 No.4587730 File: 3.00 MB, 852x480, WipEout Omega Collection.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4587590 >>4587615 Only Wipeout Fusion, Wipeout Pure, Wipeout Pulse, Wipeout HD/Fury, and Wipeout Omega Collection run at 60 fps.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 03:42:51 2018 No.4587745 >>4587730 fucking magnets, how do they work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 06:50:53 2018 No.4587884 >>4586297 Wipeout, all the PSX installments support linking up two consoles so you don't have to make do with split screen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 09:13:54 2018 No.4588013 >>4587615 I'm pretty sure the PAL version of Wipeout 3 runs at 50fps though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 09:22:24 2018 No.4588019 >>4587615 Then how the fuck people even dare to say Wipeout > F-Zero? At least on /vr/. Not 60fps in a futuristic racer, are you kidding me?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 09:26:59 2018 No.4588026 >>4588019 It's much more necessary in F-Zero due to the speed. Slower games don't exactly suffer too much from lower FPS, though obviously higher FPS would be preferable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 09:27:37 2018 No.4588027 >>4588013 It likely runs at 25fps with how the framerates on old games work then.

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 09:30:18 2018 No.4588029

>>4588019
>At least on /vr/
Why would /vr/ be any different when 5th gen is well liked despite being an abomination in terms of performance. Anyway there's more to games than just framerate, the racing mechanics and tracks are so good that the games are GOAT despite the performance

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 10:57:04 2018 No.4588179 I'm saying F-Zero on this one if only to piss off the kid with aspergers in this thread. Also, having shooting "weapons" is literally Mario Cart-tier garbage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 10:58:55 2018 No.4588182 File: 176 KB, 600x582, 1484560181663.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >All this fighting over two series I both love greatly and equally. I truly don't get it.

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:04:24 2018 No.4588195 [DELETED]

>>4588179
>Also, having shooting "weapons" is literally Mario Cart-tier garbage.
FOR THE LAST TIME YOU STUPID FERAL CUNT, EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THE GAME COMPETITIVELY ONLY PLAYS PHANTOM TIME TRIAL WHERE THERE IS NO FUCKING WEAPONS OR OTHER SHIPS JUST YOU AND THE BEST LINES YOU CAN MANAGE, FUCK OFF.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:07:20 2018 No.4588205 >>4588179 Turn off the weapons then. What's the problem? Ironically F-Zero is closer to Mario Kart in mechanics, physics and track layouts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:14:24 2018 No.4588214 File: 234 KB, 426x358, daytona.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4588179 >not wanting to fry that one cunt who keeps staying in front of you with a plasma bolt

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:22:44 2018 No.4588223 >>4588195 Delicious. I'll try again: F-Zero has better character design.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:31:47 2018 No.4588230 >>4588223 >F-Zero has better character design. if you're 12 and need corny goofy stupid characters.

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:35:28 2018 No.4588239

>>4588179
Don't dismiss Mario Kart. The first game is great and it and F-Zero have a core thing in common. Most racing games are about learning the optimal route and trying to execute it as well as possible each lap. Nothing wrong with that, but something that adds to F-Zero and Mario Kart's replayability is boost power and coins. In F-Zero tracks you often have to choose between a boost plate and an energy field, in Mario Kart you need to get coins to reach your true top speed. This makes it so you can't do the optimal route every lap and every lap is a little bit different. They finally brought the coins back in Mario Kart 8 but the items are so over the top in that one it kind of overshadows it unfortunately. But Super Mario Kart is a great game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:36:01 2018 No.4588241 File: 18 KB, 643x243, dnrq4qfPeS31u4ug7oo1_1280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4588230 >not being able to appreciate corny designs Though, AX had some unironically bad designs

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:37:09 2018 No.4588245 >>4588239 Yeah, I guess say what you want about later mario kart titles, but SNES Mario Kart is legitimately more difficult than SNES F-Zero

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 12:21:53 2018 No.4588282 >>4588029 I'm saying that because we're only including the 5th gen and earlier games and maybe that frame rate fact changes later. >>4588205 Hey, it's Mario Kart! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vm2QDpVY5g

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 13:00:06 2018 No.4588338 >>4588182 It also makes so little sense. Apart from the vehicles hovering they're as different as racing games can be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 13:16:16 2018 No.4588362 Why don't people like Wipeout Fusion?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 14:18:23 2018 No.4588426 >>4588223 >F-Zero has better character design Wipeout has character design?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 14:34:51 2018 No.4588443 >>4588426 Maybe he thinks the crafts are characters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 14:55:28 2018 No.4588474 >>4588443 Well that'd be just silly. Wipeout vehicles look far better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 14:58:12 2018 No.4588480 >>4586691 I guess the UK having free healthcare was a lie after all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 14:59:32 2018 No.4588483 Whats the best way to play the Wipeout games on PC? I know theres PC versions and PS1 versions, i tried the first one on a PS1 emulator but it ran way too fast and i couldn't find a way to resolve that

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:02:57 2018 No.4588486 >>4588205 Psygnosis themselves said they were more inspired by Mario Kart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:03:44 2018 No.4588489 >>4586661 >Wipeout has the Cee stamp of approval

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:07:22 2018 No.4588491 Cee, have you gotten into F-Zero X's time attack seriously? It's quite fun, sad to see you fanboying so hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:08:32 2018 No.4588493 Wipeout has the DEEPEST lore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:11:05 2018 No.4588497 >>4588493 Storyfags in every thread, I swear. Even if ironically.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:13:06 2018 No.4588502 >>4588497 Wipeout dosen't need a story mode to have a good backstory unlike F-Zero.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:17:57 2018 No.4588510 >>4588502 Actually 99% of F-Zero's story is backstory found in the character/vehicle descriptions. The story mode is barely anything story wise. Seriously just read through the character bios in F-Zero GX, it's actually a pretty engrossing few minutes

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>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:21:54 2018 No.4588526 >>4588502 Why do you think I was defending F-Zero? I just hate the stupid focus on muh plot. Even arcade style futuristic racers have storyfag posts, holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:22:13 2018 No.4588527 Childhood is idolizing Captain Falcon. Adulthood is realizing E-Unity makes more sense. ;^)

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>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:23:03 2018 No.4588529 >>4588486 It doesn't matter what they said when the reality is that besides weapon pick ups and boost pads they are vastly different in every conceivable way

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Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:48:03 2018 No.4588579

>>4588526
Why does it matter when it's not a focus of the game? It's like hating on a good OST because technically the game doesn't need music to function. I don't understand why you would hate on the inclusion of a story. Hating on a game focusing on story elements at the expense of gameplay is one thing, but this isn't the case at all for F-Zero or Wipeout

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 15:51:18 2018 No.4588584 >>4588579 I understand, I'm just tired of storyfags in general, that's all. "Yeah, an F-Zero / Wipeout thread!" >People are discussing the fucking story "Oh, right."

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 16:28:40 2018 No.4588636

>>4586454
I love XG, admittedly for all the wrong reasons. Gameplay could really used much more, better tracks, corners, drifting and combat. I just really like my racers to have ground contact, and then there's the spectacle of breaking the sound barrier.
I mean, come on, you LITERALLY ride a crotch rocket, how can I resist?

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 17:59:45 2018 No.4588805

Wipeout is a futer racer that you can show your normie friends and they won't bat a eye at you liking it. Paraphrasing Patrick Bateman - Wipeout has a clear, crisp design, with a sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the game a big boost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 18:05:50 2018 No.4588815 File: 306 KB, 640x909, 7591_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one for me at least

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 20:00:37 2018 No.4588989
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>>4586964
>The best classic installment for beginners is Wip3out (SE if you can get it)
Nah, get the NTSC-J version. SE has weird floaty controls, while the regular wipeout 3 is tight. You can still do the p-mar project skip with the regular non-floaty controls (even on venom with feisar) if you boost enough.
Also the japanese NTSC version has all the prototype tracks. Gotta love that LS105/GP02.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 20:03:18 2018 No.4588992 >>4588584 Fuck those guys. >>4588815 Nice taste. thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V974MkN7v94

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 20:27:05 2018 No.4589036 >>4588013 25 fps you fucking blind, unless you meant to say 50hz

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 20:31:55 2018 No.4589041 >>4588362 cause it's slow, the controls and camera are weird, the tracks have so many divergent paths that it's unflattering.

Anonymous Wed Feb 14 21:20:40 2018 No.4589120

>>4589041
Pretty much the only things wrong with Fusion was the track design really was bottom of the barrel, and the camera seemed a bit too low at times. The music is give or take and some classic teams were swapped out, however it's explained why in the manual. It sets up a great excuse for Pure a few years later to return to a more classic-rooted formula.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 23:41:15 2018 No.4589342 File: 108 KB, 275x131, shavings.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4588223 pic related it's wipeout "character design"

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 01:55:20 2018 No.4589472
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>>4589342
The original Wipeout had pretty cool characters, they had short bios in the manual and they had a win/lose reaction at the end of each race. Each team also had 2 pilots you could select, each with their own paint scheme and logo. Shame they dropped the pilots as playable characters in favor of just the teams in the later games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:07:00 2018 No.4589475 >>4586297 If it wasn't for GX, nobody would give a shit about F-Zero. The games are serviceable, but nothing amazing. Wipeout is consistently great, and maybe never tops GX, but it's a better series

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:10:42 2018 No.4589481

>>4586297
wipeout 2097 and 3 are king, 1 can be ignored unless you've got nothing better to do
I've never enjoyed fzero myself but I can see why people do, it's a great series but I never liked it's focus on ultrawide tracks and large amounts of A.I. Makes TT, which is the bread and butter of any ag racer, really boring for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:11:46 2018 No.4589483 >>4589475 Wrong, the series is great, X in particular, too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:15:16 2018 No.4589489 >>4589475 >preferring GX to X how_to_spot_a_pleb.jpg

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:16:54 2018 No.4589492

>>4589481
also if people in this thread complain that wipeout control "clunky" I like to think that they would have an aneurysm if they ever played this.
"so fast omg" isn't an AG-racing thing, it stems purely from diehard fzero fanboys who regard it as the only racer. Nothing wrong with that, but it's an exception to the rule. For me, AG-Racers are about learning to control something very different and challenging compared to the real world (ie. cars) and learning the tracks that are designed for you to control them in. Each game poses it's own challenges and steep learning curves, and the skill carryover is far lesser than standard arcade or sim racers, which is why this little subgenre has always had the biggest draw for me. I feel like people who want everything to control like fzero, or people that want every new ag racer to be fzero, or the people who think the same thing but with wipeout, are kind of missing the point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:18:11 2018 No.4589494 File: 2.96 MB, 512x384, Meltdown The Max.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4589492 of course i forget the webm because im a dumb nib

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:35:26 2018 No.4589520 >>4589492 Controls should never be a thing that needs mastering in a racer. The cources is what needs mastering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p43sYnTJMDw

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:38:00 2018 No.4589521 >>4589520 dude that game sucks!

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:39:32 2018 No.4589524

>>4589520
>Controls should never be a thing that needs mastering in a racer.
Why? Why should every game be a 1:1 perfect player input? Because fzero is like that? First of all it isn't, second you are the type of people that nobody likes within the fzero fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:46:52 2018 No.4589536 >>4589524 >Why? because devs can make whatever sloppy tracks they like, like in most of wipeout series, where most of the difficulty comes from wrestling with floaty controls

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 02:51:06 2018 No.4589543

>>4589536
If your movement is limited and requires a learning experience to get the hang of, then you are actually completely backwards, because this means the developers of the tracks have to understand what the physics and movement are and aren't capable of, and need to make sure every corner is possible with every ship at every speedclass given these parameters. On a near 1:1 player input, your options are extremely increased as you are not limited by the physics of the craft. Please stop talking about a genre you clearly haven't got much experience in, it's 2AM and I'd like to go to bed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 03:03:39 2018 No.4589554 >>4589472 Wipeout Fusion had the 2-racer-per-team system.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 04:21:56 2018 No.4589613

>>4589520
>Controls should never be a thing that needs mastering in a racer.
You are retarded. They have always been the #1 most important thing to master in racing, both in real life and video games. If you dislike that idea then you dislike racing games as a whole, outside of ones where the vehicles handle like plastic toys like kart racers and F Zero.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 04:47:56 2018 No.4589630

>>4589520
lol you may have had a point if you posted F-Zero but F-Zero GX's controls have many idiocyncracies that need mastering, especially if you intend to learn more than one vehicle. You obviously don't even understand what's going on in that speedrun

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 05:13:59 2018 No.4589659 >>4589613 a line in f0 is often half the track simple, huh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 05:19:06 2018 No.4589667 >>4589659 Are you talking about snaking or some other gay shit? Dropped those games after a few hours and it has nothing to do with my post either way

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 05:40:40 2018 No.4589703

>>4589036
I meant to say 25fps, of course it runs at 50hz if it's in PAL. Unless it's PAL60, but there aren't any Playstation games that do that. Also, PAL60 is pretty pointless since you lose the extra resolution, it's just NTSC with PAL-color, which serves no purpose since you can just run the games through proper RGB instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 06:52:41 2018 No.4589757 >>4589667 no. once you boost a couple times in 64 you can make it half around many of the tracks (no flying glitches used) in a single arc, turning as little as possible to maintain momentum it is much harder than taking a series of conventional turns

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 07:01:49 2018 No.4589763 >>4589757 I'll give it a try, though honestly that just sounds like how cornering works in every non Kart racing game including Wipeout

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 09:21:38 2018 No.4589904

>>4589520
>Controls should never be a thing that needs mastering in a racer.
LMFAO the absolute state of vr and proof of the real reason f-zero fans love that gay shit, it's fucking easy cunt shit for mentally retarded loser kids. Every fucking vehicle that ever existed required mastering you fucking meat brained idiot cunt, wtf is rewarding about a game that is pleb bullshit waggle for speed and slide along walls? fuck off you worthless cunt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 09:22:41 2018 No.4589906 >>4589757 >it is much harder than taking a series of conventional turns play as icarus on phantom in 3 and show me your flawless runs? then you can talk.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 09:23:41 2018 No.4589908

>>4589613
>They have always been the #1 most important thing to master in racing, both in real life and video games.
This x10, the absolute state of vr is fucking depressing, every fucking thread no matter the genre is just wall to wall fucking ignorance and stupidity.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 09:27:29 2018 No.4589917 [DELETED]

>>4589483
Yeah for beginners who hate having to learn as we have established, you're like a sperg kid at xmas dribbling baked beans on his stub cock and tits wooing at the lights, WOOOO LUK AT DA SPEED MOM WHOOSH WOOO, fucking mong and i suppose you love the childish as fuck stupid characters aswell? cpt falcon! woo!

>>4589472
>The original Wipeout
best ost of all time, thats the take from wipeout 1 desu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 09:33:49 2018 No.4589925 >>4589917 Really? I think it's a really mediocre OST. It's like the bottom of the barrel of 90s british electronic music.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 09:42:14 2018 No.4589937

>>4589520
Nah, both are important
>>4589917
Are you implying X is easy? Sliding is easy? You seem really ignorant. Also, no one plays Blue Falcon in X, the best machines are Blood/Hell Hawk and Twin Noritta, followed by some others with smaller niches, but never Falcon: his machine is very mediocre. (He's only played in GX's story mode since it's the only machine available; in the original, the best machine is Fire Stingray. I'm not too much into time attack in the GBA ones, I'm more casual with those)
Have you beaten the staff ghosts in X? If you have and then claim it's a baby game compared to the others, then I may concede it to you. Otherwise, you're just shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 11:18:38 2018 No.4590065 >>4589475 you say that but snes f-zero was the best selling f-zero game

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 11:29:36 2018 No.4590084 >>4590065 >muh sales Why are you even here then, FIFA 18 shits on all this board then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 11:43:41 2018 No.4590116 >>4589904 >I refer running against a clock instead of 29 opponents. So exciting!

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 12:22:38 2018 No.4590206 >>4590084 sales imply caring

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 12:24:15 2018 No.4590209 >>4590206 FIFA 18 = GOAT, then Fuck off with that fallacy.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 12:28:58 2018 No.4590216
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>>4590209
You're retarded.
I'm not saying SNES is the best F-Zero game because it sold more. I'm saying people are more likely to care about F-Zero series because they played the SNES game as it sold more.
Don't reply to me or my posts every again, mouthbreather.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 13:00:24 2018 No.4590267 >>4590216 Sales, particularly in old games, aren't everything. By your standards, EarthBound is still a niche game in the west.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 13:09:01 2018 No.4590283 >>4589904 >the absolute state of x Alex Jones-viewers pls go.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 13:31:39 2018 No.4590331 >>4586297 Wipeout. Both games were occasionally too fast and unresponsive, but at least Wipeout has style and the combat isn't shitty little boost-bumps

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 14:12:26 2018 No.4590415 [DELETED]

>>4590116
More evidence of the piss low level of you shits, beating the computer opponents poses NO challenge AT ALL, whilst i have times you'd take months to even get close to and then some. Keep digging that hole vr it's fuckign hilarious how utterly shit you bunch of know nothing collector douchebags are.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 14:15:03 2018 No.4590423

>>4589925
then your ears are shit and you're a cunt.

>>4589937
>You seem really ignorant.
that's rich, let's see your competitive wipeout xl/3 phantom times?

Also learn to fucking read i said nothing about who the best chars are or who plays who, we was talking about how goofy the fuckign design is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 14:18:24 2018 No.4590428 >>4590423 Chill, Cee. Dou you really find F-Zero X's time attack to be that baby after having tried it? I am not shitting on Wipeout.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 14:31:05 2018 No.4590442 >>4590423 cold storage is like diet orbital or something. bland as fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 15:22:04 2018 No.4590534 >>4586297 I always preferred F-Zero's more out-there level design. And I like to have a character behind the machine, too. Makes it have more personality. Zone mode in later not-retro Wipeout games was fun as fuck, though

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 15:30:52 2018 No.4590546 >>4588483 BallisticNG

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 15:32:28 2018 No.4590550 [DELETED]

>>4590442
lmfao like i said your ears are shite. XL was the one with the bland soundtrack bar underworld.
>>4590428
>Dou you really find F-Zero X's time attack to be that baby after having tried it?
no what makes it hard is complete stupid garbage ie the leaving the track to land on it again shite, the waggling shite, the sliding shite, all of its is arbitrary retard nonsense regardless of difficulty whilst wipeout is pure execute the best fuckin lines possible removing asa much brake use and planning out boost use, no bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 15:44:44 2018 No.4590576 >>4590550 >techs I don't want to learn make the games bad Stop whining about subjective bullshit and just admit you don't want to like the series because the aesthetics piss you off.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 15:48:45 2018 No.4590583

>>4590550
You don't like the mechanics, but the game isn't baby at all. Stop trashing games you haven't gotten into, you should know better.
It's like calling Garegga a baby game because you personally dislike how the rank system works, the grey/brown bullets or something.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 16:06:08 2018 No.4590620

>>4589763
I like both. there are a couple of cool tracks that let you basically just take one really long turn at an increasingly deep angle if you go fast enough, but if you don't get enough speed, you have to turn both left and right normally

there are a couple that turn the line into a jump off a half pipe and a couple that involve the line going corksre around various geometric objects

nobody has to like captainfalcongame, but it really is pretty creative

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 16:07:44 2018 No.4590623 >>4590620 >captainfalcongame This is just a meme, blame Smashers, not F-Zero fans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 16:08:34 2018 No.4590625 What I learned from this thread is that, regardless of if F-Zero or Wipeout is better, Wipeout has definitely the craziest fanboy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 16:11:03 2018 No.4590632 >>4590550 you sound autistic. fusion is great all around and starts to have less boring tracks but you have to admit its not very dynamic

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 16:12:52 2018 No.4590636 >>4590625 It's just Cee, don't blame Wipeout for that (this is coming from someone that prefers F-Zero)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 16:15:50 2018 No.4590646 >>4590636 I know, I'm not blaming the game, and that's why I said "fanboy" and not "fanboys".

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 23:01:50 2018 No.4591406
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>i only want MATURE aesthetics in my MATURE games about MATURE flying cars!
>if you ever touch anything besides time attack you are a filthy casual reeeeeeeeeeee
>I'M GOING TO SAY BAD WORDS AT YOU

As both F-Zero and WipEout fan, this thread is making me actively like WipEout less.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 00:14:46 2018 No.4591523 >>4591406 The time trial mode encourages a dangerous type of autism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 00:20:13 2018 No.4591534 >>4591406 We already know you were F-Zero to before you even stepped in. Both games have high level play autism. If you don't think F-Zero isn't this then we have news for you.

Anonymous Fri Feb 16 00:35:43 2018 No.4591556 [DELETED]

>>4591406
>this thread is making me actively like WipEout less.
then you're a childish cunt who hasn't developed hjis own mind, grow up you fucking infant.

>>4591523
>muh autism buzzword
a buzzword used to make yourself feel btter about being a lazy talentless shit with no discipline that attempts to paint those that do in a negative light to appease your ego, you're simply shit though.

Anonymous Fri Feb 16 01:08:54 2018 No.4591586

>>4591556
>muh autism buzzword
Where do you think you are? I got shat on in the other thread for the same thing despite using it in a sincerely respectful way. In both contexts it just means bordering on the slightly obsessive side, not some flat insult.

And it goes for these series more than most, since to be not shit at either you have to put the time into learning the intricacies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 01:49:20 2018 No.4591623 >>4591556 I know it first hand from pretty much exclusively playing the time trial mode in the original trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 01:53:02 2018 No.4591626 >>4586297 Wipeout is futuristic mario kart. It's a better series in general. Although F-Zero has a more interesting CONCEPT, as do most Nintendo games. Characters, artwork, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 02:00:42 2018 No.4591634 >>4587730 no fucking way

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 02:08:32 2018 No.4591639 >>4586297 I look forward to your next thread, Mario Kart vs Gran Turismo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 02:18:30 2018 No.4591657 File: 48 KB, 640x364, dft.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4586297 Which one is the better ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 02:53:01 2018 No.4591689 >>4591657 apples have less garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 03:11:43 2018 No.4591710 >>4591626 >Wipeout is futuristic mario kart. no it isn't, only plebs who haven't played them to any extent think this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 03:13:55 2018 No.4591713 >>4591586 it's still a lazy trend buzzword used disingenuously and completely inaccurately to its definition. >>4591623 post your times. >>4591657 f-zero is defo the banana because the fans suck that shit off then stuff it up their arseholes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 03:53:33 2018 No.4591746 >>4591713 >being so anally devastated we get it, you enjoy your floaty controls

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:14:51 2018 No.4592017 >>4591657 Apples are ready to eat as they are but bananas have nicer mouth feeling and are sweeter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:23:52 2018 No.4592026 >>4591710 >3 lap races >weapons obtained from icons on the ground >boost pads >drift boosting >the weapons you get are influenced by which place you're in Sure sounds Mario Kartish.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:28:56 2018 No.4592035 >>4592017 >mouth feeling You mean texture? Do you call your sense of taste your "tongue flavour?"

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:43:31 2018 No.4592058 >>4592026 the controls are completely different though. wipeout is like extra floaty hovercrafts

Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:45:40 2018 No.4592063

>>4592026
>sounds
come back when you have actual experience.

>>4592058
>wipeout is like extra floaty
stop playing s.e

Btw i hope all of you shitters are playing ballisticNG on steam? why don't we get some /vr/ time trialling on the go between wipeout and f-zero fans?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:47:28 2018 No.4592067 >>4592058 >stop playing s.e i only played the first one

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:48:02 2018 No.4592068 >>4592063 >come back when you have actual experience. >shit he's right, maybe I can deflect by taking his glib bon mot out of context and hope he doesn't notice I didn't disagree

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 09:53:01 2018 No.4592072 >>4592068 >>shit he's right, only he's not and the only way you can draw conclusion that it's mario kart is by not having played it and realized the similarities end at technicalities, go back to dribbling baked beans on your tits dickhead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 10:27:29 2018 No.4592137 >>4592026 The airbreak slows you down. You actually get punished for using it too much if you race with a shit team like Feisar.

Anonymous Fri Feb 16 11:56:14 2018 No.4592327

>>4590415
>beating the computer opponents poses NO challenge AT ALL

>I prefer doing the same thing over and over again with fixed parameters and no need to actually react to changing circumstances. Now that's a real challenge!

You might as well just learn to play an instrument, you know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 11:57:57 2018 No.4592330 >>4592327 Not him, but the AI has a skill cap, while Time Attack doesn't. It's easy to see why he thinks that way; once you get very good the AI can become boring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 12:05:38 2018 No.4592347 >>4592072 So, the details of what it is, what is has, and how it uses them are technicalities? Here's what you can do to disprove that post, are you sitting down? You can make some points of your own that perhaps highlight the contrasts.

Anonymous Fri Feb 16 13:45:52 2018 No.4592528

>>4592327
you're nmot even worth bothering with, you are completely oblivious to the skill ceiling in going for top tier times, it's copmpletely beyond you. put it this way beating one of my times will take you literally months upon months longer than getting gold medals in the fucking races.

>>4592347
i can but plebs like you won't know what i'm talking about, they control nothing alike, you don't have boost management, you don't have fucking nose dipping and lifting to worry about , they are simply nothing alike unless you have the idiot low skill perspective as you do and can only compare things like "hurr dey both have weapons dey r same", why do you think every wr time is done with a negcon? because it allows left to right analogue precision steering wwith a free thumb on dpad for nose control at the same time aswell as air brakes, it's extremely technical when you get within 10 secs of any top time, head over to wipeoutzone check the records then go have a try and see if you can even manage to get within a fucking minute of the top times.

>>4592327
>You might as well just learn to play an instrument, you know.
maybe i do? i do lots of things as it happens, learning is a way of life for me, mnot a worthless lazy apathetic untalented genetic porridge piece of spastic shit like you.

>>4592137
>The airbreak slows you down. You actually get punished for using it too much if you race with a shit team like Feisar.
dont bother these guys don't understand refinement at all, you might aswell explain algebra to a retard baby.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 13:51:35 2018 No.4592538 >>4592528 Cee, I'm not disagreeing, but you seem to get really upset. Is it really worth it to you to still keep coming to /vr/?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 14:00:10 2018 No.4592549 Going through the archive of this thread to see the deleted posts gave me some good chortles. Why does this guy get so fucking angry?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 14:05:24 2018 No.4592557 >>4592549 F-Zero makes him insecure...

Anonymous Fri Feb 16 14:40:18 2018 No.4592604 [DELETED]

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>>4592063
>Btw i hope all of you shitters are playing ballisticNG on steam?
Nah, not since they started charging for a game that has illegitimately ripped code taken from the Wipeout games. Also no officially supported Linux version.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 15:04:27 2018 No.4592643 >>4592604 You don't have to buy it if you already had it in your library during the f2p period

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 15:46:15 2018 No.4592691 >>4586315 but not the first where you hit the wall and stop dead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 15:53:47 2018 No.4592702 >>4591634 if you think thats cool then allow me to up the ante https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqmdv5iyIOY its not cgi, check the other vids on superconducting magnets

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 15:57:19 2018 No.4592705 >>4592702 ah crap that one is cgi here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 15:59:02 2018 No.4592709 >>4592691 It can be frustrating but it's still a blast when you get that buttery smooth perfect lap

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 00:00:11 2018 No.4593641 >>4592604 Where's your source for the "ripped code" from WipEout? The assets you can load via MODS into it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 00:03:52 2018 No.4593649 >>4586297 since both games are nothing like each other, wipeout is better. fzero is, and will always be, a sad joke of a game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:29:58 2018 No.4593779 File: 112 KB, 500x689, tumblr_mvz75jEft21rkrwaco1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Post comfy Wipeout and/or F-zero runs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSS7mev_3Fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhANf7emu8A

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 01:55:25 2018 No.4593809 >>4593779 one of the best tracks in the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FdN8s_-ptg

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 02:06:06 2018 No.4593823 >>4592035 god I love this place

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 02:07:57 2018 No.4593824 So which Wipeout do you think is the best for a newcomer ?

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 02:15:31 2018 No.4593829

>>4593824
They are pretty much all good. You can emulate Pulse, it has easy physics. and some very good beginner tracks. Get the full save too so you don't have to waste time unlocking the fun tracks. This is assuming you want to do time trial instead of the campaign, if it's the latter then I've got no clue.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 04:57:47 2018 No.4593992

>>4593809
lmao look at this junk, it's all straight lines with stupid as fuck arbitrary shit to go faster.

>>4592604
wat? if you had it when free you keep it with updates or are you objecting on moral grounds?

>>4593824
>So which Wipeout do you think is the best for a newcomer ?

play through xl first, it's easy at first and builds gradually then move onto 3, the later ones control so differently that i fear you'll go back to old ones and be stumped. Ballisticng is also a must have and so close it's as good as a sequel.

>>4593779
One of the best players of wipeout xl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VbjOxsA0g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWm49PABiUI

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 05:58:17 2018 No.4594052

>>4593649
F-Zero is probably Nintendo's best franchise (not too big into Nintendo myself, I'll admit)
>>4593992
>lmao look at this junk, it's all straight lines with stupid as fuck arbitrary shit to go faster.
Cee, stop saying this shit as if every track was like that, c'mon. I thought you were more knowledgeable.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 06:16:18 2018 No.4594068

>>4594052
>I thought you were more knowledgeable.
I am and i regularly watch the wr holders on f zero x and gx respectively and in both cases best times are achieved ONLY with arbitrary shit like snaking, leaving the track at some perfect point to land in another perfect point and other stupid glitchy shit, it's fucking junk and wipeout has NONE of that only pure ability and line execution.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 06:23:42 2018 No.4594074

in all the history of racing games, very little compares favorably to to GX in terms of difficulty and the amount of techniques you can learn and refine

wipeout is a racing game, GX is basically a high speed bumper car simulator, so in the sense of being an actual racing game, wipeout has a lot of positive qualities

but really anyone who says 'wipeout is better' without qualifications is just one of these people who talks without being familiar with both

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 06:38:21 2018 No.4594098

For my taste Wipeout simply has too many steps or stages of controls between the player and the game, whereas F-Zero is controlled more directly with 1:1 tactile controls. Wipeout is like playing Microsoft Flight Simulator while F-Zero is more like Star Fox or Afterburner. or Wipeout is like ARMA with negative mouse acceleration while F-Zero is like Quake. Or Wipeout is like Out of this World or Lester the Unlikely while F-Zero is like Mega Man or Sonic.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 06:43:57 2018 No.4594107

>>4594068
>i regularly watch
I thought you disliked this passive stuff. Why not forge your opinion by playing?
Snaking is a category, if you dislike that you can play Max Speed in GX, which is closer to a pure racing experience. I get what you mean, X and particularly GX are a bit "exploity" in high level play, but isn't so bad, and it still takes racing skill.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 07:41:17 2018 No.4594153

>>4594107
don't waste my time with semantics and cherry picking, i've done both watch and play now fuck off. I don't like anything about f-zero series at all.

>>4594107
>but isn't so bad
yes it fucking is, it's so bad that getting a great time is 100% dependent on doing said tricks.

>>4594098
exactly this which all boils down to wipeout is more technical whilst f-zero is dumbed down easier to get into for plebs.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 07:50:22 2018 No.4594164

>>4594153
Your criticism of relying too much on some tricks is quite valid. However, doing those tricks isn't easy nor dumbed down for plebs at all, just not your cup of tea (or not "pure racing skills"). It's not as if this was a long running series still going and babyfied by Newtendo, for instance.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 10:38:55 2018 No.4594298

>>4594098
Do you even like racing games generally? Learning your vehicle and how it interacts with the tracks is the biggest source of fun in 90% of racing games outside of a few VERY arcadey exceptions. Even F-Zero is at its most fun when you have to deal with limitations to your controls in my opinion, such as the slide.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 10:46:49 2018 No.4594310 >>4594098 I seriously think you've never played any WO. If you think its controls are too complicated, you need to play more games. Wipeout is dirt simple to control.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 11:11:14 2018 No.4594340 >>4589520 90% of GX is managing boost power. The turns don't matter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 11:11:24 2018 No.4594341 >>4594310 This. "oh shit there's a vertical axis!" is retarded, especially considering you need to level out jumps in F-Zero anyway

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 11:36:34 2018 No.4594365

>>4594298
It's one of my favorite genres. I don't mind learnign different types of controls at all, I like the different games and the diversity of vehicles in GX. The style in Wipeout is just a style I really don't enjoy. I like my controls to be instantly responsive. If I press left on the stick I want to immediately start turning left. I don't mind learning quick turns, throttling, stalling, and learnign to play around the slide (i.e. learn to play without triggering my machine to lose grip. I enjoy Death Anchor and Sonic Phantom in GX) , though I hate snaking and don't do the style where you slide intentionally.
>>4594310
It has nothing to do with complexity. It's the sluggishness. It feels like I'm playing in mud and on ice at the same time in Wipeout.
>>4594341
I didn't say anything about a vertical axis either.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 12:27:42 2018 No.4594430

>>4594365
Right, so our tastes are the opposite. I like it because it makes it very easy to make minor mistakes when cornering. I like mechanics that make keeping your grip and recovery difficult because they make each turn feed into the next and require my full attention at all times. Plus when you slide deliberately and recover, it's very satisfying. That's on top of just giving the vehicles a sense of weight and presence that F-Zero doesn't have. I prefer simulators over arcade racers in general, though.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 12:38:04 2018 No.4594445

>>4594430
>Right, so our tastes are the opposite.
I guess so. I think it's analogous to Quake vs. Counter-Strike. Bullets simply going where your crosshair is pointing vs having to learn spray control, free movement vs having to stand still for accuracy, being fast enough to push chokepoints vs. needing nades to push chokepoints, etc.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 12:52:38 2018 No.4594467

>>4594365
>It's the sluggishness. It feels like I'm playing in mud and on ice at the same time in Wipeout.
what on earth are you talking about? which game and hardware? it sounds like you're using a laggy emu to me because wo is never sluggish on unresponsive especially using piranha in xl or assegai in 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 12:54:16 2018 No.4594473 >>4594430 honestly your taste are so fucking shit and stupid, its entirely lead by what you find easiest confused for whats actually better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 13:04:54 2018 No.4594487 >>4594467 Nope, I'm not talking about input delay. I'm talking about a kind of delay between inputting and getting a meaningful response. It's kind of like GTA III/Vice City/San Andreas vs. GTA IV. I don't find the GTA IV style very fun

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 13:06:40 2018 No.4594490

>>4594473
Not at all, my tastes are based on what's the most deep and dynamic, everything else is besides the point. There's nothing confusing about sim racing games, especially if you play with all the assists on, but the great detail in the physics engines makes them really fucking good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 13:07:43 2018 No.4594491 >>4594467 Pretty sure he means the turning speed. In Wipeout there's a slight acceleration on your turns while in F-Zero you're at full turn speed almost immediately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 21:53:40 2018 No.4595506 Cleared a few cups earlier in F-Zero X, that game still makes my heart go doki doki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 22:35:13 2018 No.4595609 >>4592604 there is no code from the original games in BNG

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 02:21:01 2018 No.4596043 File: 20 KB, 480x360, 1467841679618.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4594490 >my tastes are based on what's the most deep and dynamic

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 04:07:25 2018 No.4596179 >>4586687 Such anger.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 06:48:07 2018 No.4596347 people like fzero better because it looks better in gifs and webms which is pretty much what 90% of people know about the game from.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 07:09:59 2018 No.4596363 >>4596347 ...what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 07:59:22 2018 No.4596394 >>4596347 I personally like F-Zero for batshit crazy tracks right now cosmo terminal is wrecking my ass, one slip of the finger and you have to restart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpBh8PRMhk

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 11:18:50 2018 No.4596628 >>4596347 Does it? F-Zero X high level play looks like the ship is having a seizure and makes no sense. Then again, good Wipeout play looks effortless so people mistake the whole game for being easy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 15:18:08 2018 No.4596947 >>4590625 >>4590646 Just report the shitter. They're a notorious shitposter who's posted similar garbage in the Doom threads. Sad to see so many people fall for it, too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 15:38:39 2018 No.4596985 >>4596947 wat? i'm cee and have never posted in a fucking doom thread you feral queef engine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 00:54:05 2018 No.4597960 >>4588526 You seriously have to go the fuck back.

Anonymous Mon Feb 19 02:00:48 2018 No.4598057

guys my wii got a disc read error in GX when I finished sapphire cup on master, just before the interview. I went back and replayed sapphire on standard and then ruby cup on master without disc errors. Should I be concerned or was it a one time screw up? My disc looks fine condition-wise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 02:01:59 2018 No.4598058 why does ballisticng run like shit? Even though it appears to be running at 60fps there are little frame drops here and there that make it annoying to play on an 8700k with all graphics options turned off at 240p settings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 02:46:06 2018 No.4598124 >>4598058 Runs like a dream for me. Did you forget to turn off vsync maybe?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 02:49:50 2018 No.4598128 >>4598124 why would I turn off vsync? I hate screen tearing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 02:52:26 2018 No.4598130 >>4598128 Because if the game drops a single frame any time it'll try to automatically cut the framerate in half, making it feel like a stuttery mess. That's not even the biggest problem either, it also adds a very noticable amount of input delay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 02:53:48 2018 No.4598132 >>4586297 I honestly believe that F-Zero provides a better sense of speed despite not being as pretty to look at compared to Wipeout

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 07:03:28 2018 No.4598389 >>4598058 runs great for me on lesser spec by far, what res are you running it at and whats your screen refresh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 07:05:30 2018 No.4598393 >>4598389 1080p 60hz

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 08:03:29 2018 No.4598451 >>4593779 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sfF6dg3Hkg

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 08:06:03 2018 No.4598453 >>4598393 weird, have you turned settings etc off?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 11:28:23 2018 No.4598737 >>4598132 Well, F-Zero X runs at double the FPS than the Wipeout contemporaries afaik

Anonymous Mon Feb 19 11:41:30 2018 No.4598764

Do you guys remember the launch of F-Zero X in 1998? I remember not even reading about it, maybe it's because around that time I stopped buying vidya magazines regularly, but still. Did it have a low key release?
I played it for the first time in 2007 and I was impressed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 12:09:20 2018 No.4598825 >>4598764 Every F-Zero but the SNES game has largely gone under the radar. Naturally, SNES F-zero was a launch title.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 14:55:22 2018 No.4599097 >>4598453 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 14:56:24 2018 No.4599104 >>4598764 ya every magazine compared it to wipeout64

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 17:10:40 2018 No.4599354 >>4599104 I wonder what they compared wipeout to in the reviews

Anonymous Mon Feb 19 17:58:22 2018 No.4599410

>>4586297
Wipeout is a series I've tried to get into many times but never have been able to. It sounds awesome (like F-Zero with weapons) but the gameplay is weird. The cars slip around too much and are difficult to control.

The way the cars control is the most important thing in a racing game IMO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 18:16:19 2018 No.4599439 File: 421 KB, 1647x951, Screenshot (674).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4586475 Wipeout: Pure is pretty quick if you've unlocked Phantom Class

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 18:29:57 2018 No.4599461 >>4598764 >>4598825 A shame since this series shits on almost every other Nintendo game. But I guess these games are not what Nintendo fans usually look for in their games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 18:36:48 2018 No.4599478 >>4599461 the same fans who are bummed the series hasn't continued?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 18:55:31 2018 No.4599515 I bet if a new F-Zero happened it will get awakening'd

Anonymous Mon Feb 19 18:59:43 2018 No.4599520

>>4599410
Wipeout has a steep learning curve but once you get the hang of the air brakes and how they should be combined with steering, the games feel incredible and very precise. You can try Pure onwards as an entry point, they are much easier to git gud at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 19:48:14 2018 No.4599650 >>4599478 Vocal minority >>4599515 Which is why I don't ask for a new one anymore, Newtendo is garbage

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 19:59:43 2018 No.4599689 File: 2.11 MB, 720x480, rainbowroadfzx.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] F-Zero is clearly better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:18:31 2018 No.4599748 >>4599689 That looks completely broken

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:20:33 2018 No.4599751 >>4599748 Looks like it worked fine to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:21:18 2018 No.4599754 >>4599748 Are you aware of TAS?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:22:14 2018 No.4599758 >>4599754 It's not a TAS, it's one of the best players in the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP7hdQXoNmw

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:22:41 2018 No.4599759 >>4599748 What's wrong, 2crazy4u?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:24:44 2018 No.4599763 >>4599759 If by crazy you mean a bunch of glitchy abstract nonsense then sure

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:25:05 2018 No.4599767 >>4599763 >Brainlet literally can't comprehend F-Zero.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:27:07 2018 No.4599771 >>4599758 It' CGN so it's just real time human TAS anyway EUEHEUEHEUH

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:27:13 2018 No.4599773 >>4599767 No shit since its glitches that have nothing to do with real world physics or other racing games and infact work in the opposite way youd expect compared to other racing games like sliding speeding you up

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:28:31 2018 No.4599778 >>4599773 >its glitches that have nothing to do with real world physics It's a video game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:31:39 2018 No.4599792 f-zero plays more like some obscure fighting game while wipeout plays like an actual racing game

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:32:46 2018 No.4599797 >>4599778 A video game with glitchy abstract (therefore nonsensical to anyone who doesnt play) mechanics yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:34:19 2018 No.4599804 >>4599773 >>4599792 >>4599797 Are you seriously complaining about F-Zero not being a sim racer lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 20:40:41 2018 No.4599823 >>4599804 Cant speak for the other guy but Im not complaining, Im explaining an observation

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 01:47:33 2018 No.4600558 >>4599792 the different tech inputs make it fucking fun. you have different styles rather than simplistic "do this every single time the same"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 01:57:46 2018 No.4600572 >>4600558 I guess if you're a total spaz

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 03:13:27 2018 No.4600670 >>4586397 this

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 03:14:46 2018 No.4600673 >>4586412 fuck your opinion

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 03:16:52 2018 No.4600678 >>4586454 81GGD5

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 03:28:12 2018 No.4600695 >>4586717 >the 64 is the only console

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 03:33:13 2018 No.4600705 >>4586726 >slow speed HD in Phantom and the zone races it's like saying touhou doen't have enough bullets please stop posting forever

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 03:37:02 2018 No.4600709 >>4586985 your opinion is trash

Anonymous Tue Feb 20 04:21:33 2018 No.4600754
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>>4598132
The early classes in Wipeout have you racing pretty slow, where F-Zero starts you off pretty fast right off the bat. Wipeout punishes you by taking away your momentum so once you advance to higher difficulty levels it becomes very difficult to maintain consistent speed, when F-Zero stays pretty fast even if you're not racing well. It also has you driving at over 1000 km/h whereas Wipeout is around 300 km/h. Of course the F-Zero tracks are huge as a result and the Wipeout tracks are more compact.

>>4599410
The learning curve is so dumb in these games that I don't blame people for not getting into them. That being said when you (finally) get a feel for how airbraking works the game feel is incredible. Piloting teams like Qirex on higher difficulty makes you really feel like you're using the brakes to toss this big heavy rocket craft around curves at 300 km/h.

Anonymous Tue Feb 20 04:58:49 2018 No.4600798

>>4599410
>The cars slip around too much and are difficult to control.
More evidence that f-zero fans are lower tier plebs who can't master anything.

>>4600754
>That being said when you (finally) get a feel for how airbraking works the game feel is incredible.
More vr plebbing, the real learning curve comes when you refine routing to be as fast as possible and this includes removing unnecessary brake use with limited use peppered throughout THEN it gets hard.

Anonymous Tue Feb 20 05:13:44 2018 No.4600828
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>>4600798
Yes, high level play is ridiculous in Wipeout. However I wouldn't call the more obsessive part of time trialing the selling point of the series (although for long time players it is of course where the games shine). Figuring out how wide/narrow to take turns and resisting the instinct to abuse the airbrake is of course how you get impressive lap records.

If I haven't played in a while it's the music, visuals, thrill of speed and satisfaction of chaining consecutive perfect laps that make me want to play, not looping Odessa Keys for hours straight to refine the brake pattern on the last chicane (although inevitably I find myself doing this after a while).

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 05:31:22 2018 No.4600849 >>4600798 >one poster = all of f-zero fans Wipeout fanatic, please. This guy already explained how it is: >>4586318

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 07:49:56 2018 No.4600997 >>4600828 yeah fair assessment, i can agree then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 09:03:07 2018 No.4601081 >>4600572 >high execution = total spazz are you like 50 years old?

Anonymous Tue Feb 20 09:38:17 2018 No.4601130

>>4600798
Hi, I'm Cee. I come to a board to constantly complain about how plebs its posters are. I don't like this community but I will keep coming back to complain some more.
Also, one or a few posters represent the whole board. If I can't complain, I'll just make some baseless assumptions to shift the topic of conversation to "how pleb /vr/ is"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 11:12:37 2018 No.4601254 >>4586463 XG3 improves that VERY much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxWO24_RQjA

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 11:46:02 2018 No.4601302 >>4600849 Don't respond, just report. Nothing is gained from responding to shitters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 12:04:55 2018 No.4601321 >>4601254 looks fun

Anonymous Wed Feb 21 05:13:53 2018 No.4602921 [DELETED]

>>4601130
Rather than drivel try providing a rebuttal? I have proved time and time again that my assessments are correct on the majority here, it seems to me you're butthurt and a child that wants to be part of an all agreeing club, time for you grow up and realize the importance of having opposing views in communities unless of course you just want a silly hugbox like the infant you are.

>>4601254
I liked a lot about xg3 but christ they did a fucking f-zero with it and allowed wall dragging with little punishment which killed it and makes the game easy to beat.

>>4601302
Comrade stalin give it a rest, you're so childish and likely a leftist americunt.

Anonymous Wed Feb 21 06:00:25 2018 No.4602962 [DELETED]

>>4601302
Grow up comrade stalin.

>>4601254
Its good but ruined itself with fzero esque wall sliding.

>>4601130
My assessments are completely accurate, if people start posting their achievements they can prove me wrong very quickly but you and i know this won't happen, stop trying to build hugboxes for yourself and learn to value the art of disagreement,discussion and free speech.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 06:55:25 2018 No.4603015 F-Zero. Granted, Wipeout is great too. It's up to personal tastes, you can't really go wrong with either. Best from both: GX and XL. Why this is so hard holy shit: X and Wipeout 1 at high difficulties.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 10:25:24 2018 No.4603178 >>4603015 X has rubber banding in Grand Prix. You have to get good at killing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:01:34 2018 No.4603223 >>4601302 comrade stalin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:03:50 2018 No.4603228 >>4601130 Prove him wrong? >>4601254 shame about the wall sliding, makes the game very easy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:13:03 2018 No.4603242 >>4603228 The problem is not whether he's wrong or right. The problem is why would he bother to come here at all if he truly felt the whole board were plebs. Is Cee masochistic?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:26:28 2018 No.4603262 Wait, this thread is still ongoing? Did this one guys aneurysm pop yet? Please respond to the following statement: "The color schemes of the F-Zero vehicles is superior to anything Wipeout has to offer."

Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:35:39 2018 No.4603272
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>>4603262
>"The color schemes of the F-Zero vehicles is superior to anything Wipeout has to offer."

That's too broad of a statement to be conclusive because F-Zero has literal clown cars as well as 11/10 designs like Fire Stingray, in contrast all Wipeout cars look barely distinguishable from each other.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:37:16 2018 No.4603274 >>4603242 Because it's his right to? do you know what free speech entails or? why people are so keen for boring echo chambers where everyone agrees is beyond me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:38:18 2018 No.4603275 >>4603262 >Please respond to the following statement: "The color schemes of the F-Zero vehicles is superior to anything Wipeout has to offer." ok, subjectivity.

Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:47:41 2018 No.4603293

>>4603274
Dude, I'm not saying he's forbidden to post. I simply don't understand his reasoning.
Also, there's a difference between having opinions, posting them, etc. and essentially come here to complain all the time about how the place sucks and is full of plebs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:58:19 2018 No.4603304 >>4603274 >free speech means the things you say and the places you say them are immune from being mocked. It takes talent to be this stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 11:59:42 2018 No.4603306 >>4603274 >Because it's his right to? That's not a reason to do something. That's a reason to be allowed to do something. You people are so fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:06:49 2018 No.4603414 STOP FUCKING GIVING HIM ATTENTION

Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:14:25 2018 No.4603427

>>4603293
That's not all he does though? its what you choose to notice the most, tbf to him he knows his stuff and posts a lot of actual info about the genres he plays.

>>4603306
What is it he's "doing"? posting like you and everyone else, so whats the problem?

>>4603414
You sound jealous that he gets noticed and is good at the games to?

Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:17:56 2018 No.4603430

>>4603427
>its what you choose to notice the most
90% of his posts are whining, it's like he only comes here to complain how much he dislikes the place.
Yes, he's skilled and stuff, but holy shit. I insist, why keep coming to a place you think sucks only to complain. Doesn't he value his time?

Also, your posting style and the fact that you're so supportive of him is quite suspicious, just saying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:19:19 2018 No.4603434 File: 102 KB, 1024x683, 1499621850050.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] like flies on shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:26:15 2018 No.4603447 File: 182 KB, 800x600, 6fcb8a90739003165fc10977b8770664-d58agsg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4603272 Wipeout 1 has the best colors for the teams, Wipeout XL has some weirdly ugly ones like Auricom.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:27:20 2018 No.4603452 >>4603447 meant for >>4603262

Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:31:33 2018 No.4603461

>>4603430
>I insist, why keep coming to a place you think sucks only to complain. Doesn't he value his time?
None of your concern is it? and don't act lik a post takes more than a minute. You're just indulging in reverse psych to convince him to leave.

>>4603447
wipeout 3 is peak for ships imo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:41:34 2018 No.4603479 >>4603461 It's not reverse, it's straight up asking that guy why he even bothers. I won't stop him if he's masochistic, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 13:59:06 2018 No.4603518 >>4603479 who knows? if it wasn't for him though these threads would die much much quicker, he is at least good at that you must admit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 14:05:21 2018 No.4603532 he couldn't be more transparent if he even tried

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 14:08:10 2018 No.4603546 >>4603518 Maybe, but if that's right then he's a bit stupid. He's contributing to keep a place he dislikes alive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 14:13:26 2018 No.4603562 >>4603546 there's no correlation, maybe he sees potential and enjoys the place beyond its faults? only children are guided by black and white emotional leads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 14:14:15 2018 No.4603567 >>4603562 You may be right. The guy seems to get genuinely angry, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 14:19:44 2018 No.4603578 >>4600828 >ad implying people who play wipeout pee their pants

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 14:32:03 2018 No.4603604 >>4603567 he doesn't, it's just an effective style.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 16:05:57 2018 No.4603791 >>4603427 >praising yourself while pretending to be a different person now this is peak autism and a new low for cee

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 21 16:40:09 2018 No.4603871 File: 66 KB, 602x709, 54930364.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4603791

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 11:06:07 2018 No.4605525 but let's talk about GX's lying stats

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 11:09:30 2018 No.4605531 >>4605525 I never understood why they did that. X didn't.

Anonymous Thu Feb 22 11:17:06 2018 No.4605543
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>>4605531
It's really that they just used X's stats, without really making them match.
Some kind of match, but most don't.
Kind of makes trying new machines a crapshoot. Sometimes you get a solid vehicle, sometimes you get the Wild Goose.

Another thing, I've always felt like stating machines only in Body-Boost-Grip is really misleading, because there's more factors going on. Handling, acceleration, top speed, boost length, weight, deacceleration rate and more all effects how a machine can perform. Some machines cannot do certain turning techniques, some other machines have really floppy turning that's not even alluded to in their stats.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 11:28:45 2018 No.4605560 >>4605543 Check out the real stats in some guides online. And yeah, even in X stats are insufficient, though at least they aren't misleading.

Anonymous Thu Feb 22 11:57:18 2018 No.4605591

>>4605560
Another thing that really tickles me in GX is that the accelerator isn't really an accelerator.
The A button's job is basically to only bring you to your top speed. Which means it also brings you DOWN to your top speed from a faster speed.
Which not only means that machines de-accelerate at different rates, but it also means you can release the A button when going above top speed to de-accelerate at another rate, because now you're letting the game's physics take over instead of the Accelerator. Creating the technique that's called "Momentum Throttle" by the community.

GX is just truly bizarre.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 12:03:44 2018 No.4605607 >>4586297 I like F-Zero better, but I still like the earlier Wipeouts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 12:10:05 2018 No.4605626 >>4605591 X and GX have really janky mechanics. They're still fun IMO.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 14:28:41 2018 No.4605894 Wipeout is so hard even the Japanese can't beat it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7QLBfp7h3s

Anonymous Thu Feb 22 14:49:47 2018 No.4605929
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Wipeout is slightly better. The psps wipeouts were pretty good and the ones released on ps3 and vita are also really fucking good, theres a collection for both of them on ps4

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 15:03:05 2018 No.4605946 >>4586964 >and the best modern installment by far is the Omega collection That's not how you spell "BallisticNG".

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 15:39:47 2018 No.4606007 Is spamming side attack the go-to method of turning in F-zero X? It's pretty easy to lose grip in this game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 15:40:24 2018 No.4606010 >>4606007 git gud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 15:42:13 2018 No.4606013 >>4606007 Yes, side attacks are crucial. You don't lose grip while using them and lose minimal speed when done right, so they're essential. Check "Jumper" records for the game to see how important they are. >>4606010 Fuck you.

Anonymous Thu Feb 22 15:42:16 2018 No.4606015

>>4606007
there isn't one universal best method of turning. it's more complicated than that.

here are some old ass tech guides, but they're still relevant:
https://fzerocentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=856

and WMJ has tutorials on his youtube page:
https://www.youtube.com/user/WMJSpeedruns

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 18:10:46 2018 No.4606231 F-Zero if you prefer arcade-style, Wipeout if you prefer more sim style.

Anonymous Thu Feb 22 18:22:34 2018 No.4606254 [DELETED]

I love F-zero but the handling model has always been way more engaging than F-Zero. I can't believe this fight is still going on.

>>4589520
>Controls should never be a thing that needs mastering in a racer.

Jesus Christ what the fuck are you doing /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 22 23:18:10 2018 No.4606716 >>4606254 newshitters and 14'ers took over, and i'm pretty sure that post is bait anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 00:05:31 2018 No.4606835 >>4586412 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 02:30:22 2018 No.4607004 >>4605946 This. BallisticNG is GOAT. Too bad it's not free anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:39:07 2018 No.4607491 >>4606231 So Wipeout is for autists and f-zero for people who enjoy gameplay?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:40:56 2018 No.4607494 >>4607491 they're both for autists, let's be real now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:45:40 2018 No.4607501 >>4607491 If anything F-Zero is more autistic with its obscure mechanics and exploits, Wipeout is very intuitive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:50:25 2018 No.4607508 >>4607501 >have to use your brain to get good >it's for autists yep, this is /vr/ alright.

Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:52:07 2018 No.4607514

>>4607508
You have to study external sources to make any sense of half the systems at play or stumble upon them randomly, instead of just playing and getting better naturally. Wipeout lays out everything it has from the get-go, all you have to do is learn how to use it well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:54:10 2018 No.4607516 >>4607514 So what you're saying is that Wipeout is easier for stupid and lazy people to get good at. I take no issue with this assessment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:54:49 2018 No.4607518 >>4607516 Post your Wipeout times, then

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:56:26 2018 No.4607523 >>4607514 >you can't just grind the game for 10,000 hours like a chimpanzee to get good at f-zero how is this a negative?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 10:57:28 2018 No.4607526 >>4607523 You'll still have to grind for 10,000 hours like a chimpanzee to get good either way

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 11:15:37 2018 No.4607561 >>4607514 It lays out everything except pitch control and opposite braking (which might be an unintended mechanic).

Anonymous Fri Feb 23 11:30:35 2018 No.4607579

>>4607561
It doesn't in the sense that it doesn't explain them in detail but you can get the hang of both through a bit of trial and error. Not something you'd want to whip out a guide for. The shortcuts and some creative flip uses in the later games are more in that vein

Anonymous Fri Feb 23 11:41:22 2018 No.4607597

>>4607514
>all you have to do is learn how to use it well.
this is wrong, you need to figure all the best lines and methods for speed on a course then attempt to execute it perfectly for 5 laps. There's way more to it than ppl realise.

>>4605946
>>4607004
>BallisticNG is GOAT.
what these niggas said.

>>4606231
>Wipeout if you prefer more sim style.
??? what is it simulating? piloted a lot of anti gravity aircraft have you?

>>4607516
>wipeout times
POST EM BIG BOI

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 20:49:21 2018 No.4608632 WE HAVE EXPLOSIVE

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 21:32:12 2018 No.4608701 Does wipeout have any appeal in regards to single player or really just multiplayer only? I was thinking of putting some of the ps1 games on my psp to have something I can play off and on but I imagine they're more multiplayer focused like most racers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 23 21:33:27 2018 No.4608703 >>4608701 f-zero and wipeout are both better as singleplayer experiences

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 01:03:38 2018 No.4609037 >>4608701 drivel, both are better 1p.

Anonymous Sat Feb 24 01:20:14 2018 No.4609056

>>4608703
>>4609037
Thanks. I'm not much into the racing genre but wipeout seems really cool, I love the sci fi aesthetic and feel of it. I assume in general that most racers were more multiplayer focus but maybe that's just limited knowledge of the genre. If wipeout is more single player focused I'll definitely try it out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 01:35:03 2018 No.4609073 >>4588241 I remember Rolling Turtle looked incredibly out of place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 01:48:30 2018 No.4609091 >>4609056 It's pretty much exclusively one player. The first two games didn't even have a splitscreen two player mode.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 02:15:43 2018 No.4609104 File: 17 KB, 800x850, spurdofrostyfug.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >enjoying the fuck out of GX lately >but I'm pretty sure my wii's disc drive is dying I've had two read errors on the game in the last week.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 02:49:57 2018 No.4609121 >>4606231 >Wipeout if you prefer more sim style. You have never played an actual racing sim if you think Wipeout comes even close to being one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:04:55 2018 No.4609135 >>4609056 the absolute essence of all racing is the time, the only opponent is yourself.

Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:05:35 2018 No.4609136

>>4609121
well, he thinks if a game is boring it makes it a sim. Wipeout is the solitaire of racing games. Barely any important control, no action, no feel for impact or anything at all. Just a bland smooth linear floaty glider game. Like a soap opera... or like F-1 of the racing genre... but I guess there are alot of F-1 fans, even thought that shit is booooring as fuuuuuuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:21:03 2018 No.4609147 >>4609135 yeah, but F-Zero's ai racers have amazing ways of fucking you up. SNES especially, fuck those assholes.

Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:25:17 2018 No.4609148

>>4609136
>but I guess there are alot of F-1 fans, even thought that shit is booooring as fuuuuuuck
That's because you're a dumbass who's of it from spectating and never actually tried firing up a game and getting a time that isn't a complete embarassment. Otherwise you'd know that sim racers are anything but boring and demand huge amounts of concentration and incredibly execution. Some of the most fun and intense experiences I've had in racing games came from sims, namely Richard Burns Rally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:29:35 2018 No.4609149 >>4586297 f zero. no contest. wipeout has always been wank.

Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:40:28 2018 No.4609152 [DELETED]

>>4609136
the ignorance is astounding and typical of someone whose perspective is entirely spectator, nothing is more exhillerating than hitting a superfast line and geting great times, you have to execute very technical planning to achieve it but you wouldn't know.

>>4609149
See guys i told you, nintendo always has zealot cunt fans who always favour childish goofy easier games for straw built hunch n gunt faggot cunts. F-zero fans are always dysfunctional nerdling queers like this cunt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:41:46 2018 No.4609153 >>4609147 playing anything but time attack is casual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 03:42:47 2018 No.4609154 >doom babbies poster strikes the doom thread again >almost immediately after, the thread gets inundated with shitposting again Really makes you think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 04:02:05 2018 No.4609170 >>4609154 only it doesn't because cee doesn't play fucking doom or any fps for that matter.

Anonymous Sat Feb 24 04:06:39 2018 No.4609175 [DELETED]

>>4609148
This, i said the same thing pretty much but the joseph goebbells mod likes to single me out and exercise his eternal butthurt.

>>4609136
The technical involvement in calculating the best lines and mastering the skills to execute them then forever trying to improve is deeply exhillerating, you just don't have the brain for it but many don't and look at racing and only see it in the dumbest possible terms ie who's in front and who won, they don't see anything else from the speed entries into corners, the lines, the exits, the brake control, the gear use, how close to losing control in pursuit of that hundredth of a second and so on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 05:06:47 2018 No.4609216 kep sing;ing me out mod cunt you only prove everything i've said about you correct lmao, sad, insecure, weak, control freak, authoritarian, loser and you'll never be good at something as silly and easy as videogame, your mother failed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 06:44:38 2018 No.4609297 >>4609154 You're new, huh >>4609153 Indeed, time attack essentially removes the skill cap. If you only play against the AI you'll hit the cap sooner or later. In X in particular, the rubber banding gets a bit boring

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 07:33:43 2018 No.4609354 >>4609297 >If you only play against the AI you'll hit the cap sooner or later. in wipeout games thats really low aswell, getting all golds in 3 on phantom isn't very hard at all but getting good times is at least 10X harder and then some.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 07:43:44 2018 No.4609362 >>4609354 Beating the staff ghosts in X is quite hard at least, but guess what mode you're playing at that point.

>>	Knuckles Sat Feb 24 08:10:31 2018 No.4609386 File: 55 KB, 450x450, ddb5aa4a-6003-4849-80a0-b9b741f9cc75_1.604b8beef1faac56d5dd130ad06798a2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Outta the way, hipsters!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 08:48:59 2018 No.4609429 >>4609148 no dude, wipeout has no sexy ladies, thats the main reason its shit and f-zero. Fucking get it you eunuch

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 08:50:32 2018 No.4609437 >>4609429 *and fzero is not (fzero has sexy ladies with nice tatas)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 10:42:21 2018 No.4609630 >>4609386 not retro

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 24 11:49:01 2018 No.4609702 File: 4 KB, 128x140, R_wo1003_03.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4609429 The first Wipeout had some qts.

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