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This thread is bad and you should feel bad

Zelda shits over any JRPG on PS1 anyway.

>>4575760
nobody gives a fuck about millennial faggotry such as this. please fuck off and never return.

Wasn't Goemon an RPG? That was pretty good

The sad thing about bait threads like this is how many people are waiting on the edge of their seats ready to bite the moment they see it with no sense of self-awareness.

>>4575790
And yet you bothered to reply.

>>4575760
pleass stop with the /b/ level threads

>desperately trying to be part of a console war that happened 15 years before you were born
Shame

>>4575779

>>4575802

>>4575848
This is so fucking bizarrely spot on it isn't even funny.

I just want to make a thread about that but I'm at the point where you're too many people indiscriminately at the same time I dont think so but i wasn't here and I'm gonna bee the aspirin and I'm gonna bee the aspirin and I'm gonna bee the aspirin

>>4575848
>desperately trying to be part of a console war that happened 15 years before you were born
Shame

>>4575854
e x p o s e d

>>4575848
This is one of those obsessive console war images that should belong on /v/ yet it’s strangely accurate.

>>4575817
>first game to implement day/night well
Fucking Dragon Quest beat it by a decade.

>>4575848

>>4575861
maybe he meant in real-time, but Castlevania 2 did it in real time in almost the exact same fashion as OoT, and that was a year before Dragon Quest 3

>>4575868
Not him but neither DQ nor Castlevania really have a system that's comparable to OoT's day/night cycle. What made OoT's system interesting was that day and night made the game a very different place. Some enemies only came out at day/night, some skulltulas only appeared at night, some shops were only closed or open at day or night, certain events only happened at particular times, etc. By comparison, the cycle in a game like Castlevania 2 is very limited and really just acts as a modifier for enemies. OoT was the first game where day and night made for a very different game experience and a lot of content was relegated to a particular time of day.

>>4575868
I don't see the difference. There's a set amount of time for the day/night sequences in Castlevania, Dragon Quest, and OoT. Are do you mean how they pause if you're in towns & shops for the NES titles?

>>4575876
Dragon Quest is like that too. Perhaps the monster spawns don't change, but NPCs change what they're doing and where they are between day & night. Heck I distinctly remember one part of DQ4 that requires you to talk to someone at night.

>>4575760
>cringe

>>4575879
Like I said though, that stuff is pretty basic. Obviously there has to be SOME difference between day/night in any game that implements it or they wouldn't do so in the first place, but OoT's implementation is far more grand.

>>4575880
>anime girl reaction image
Sorry, this thread is for heterosexuals. Out you go.

>>4575881
Eh, I'll award you the point on this one, but I still feel "The first game to do this well." is poor and inaccurate wording for the chart.

>>4575884
>I still feel "The first game to do this well." is poor and inaccurate wording for the chart.
I agree, I don't even understand what anon was really trying to demonstrate with that image other than to say Zelda is better, but it wasn't a very complete thought. Regardless, OoT was probably the first game to implement a day/night cycle that really contributed to making the world fill alive.

>>4575876
the shopes and enemies thing is in castlevania 2 as well. You do have a point about the skulltullas. It's like a much simpler version of the light/dark world from LttP in that in doesn't physically change the world, but what actually makes it quite special to OoT is not the day/night cycle itself but that the fact that it is that it's layered on top of the child/adult time period which is basically OoT's reiteration of the Light/Dark worlds. How many games had a day/night cycle layered on top of parallel overworlds?

N64 was my favorite growing up because it had Diddy Kong Racing, Mario64, and GoldenEye 007.

Then I was introduced to PlayStation and all that changed. Crash Bandicoot, Resident Evil, and Tomb Raider changed my tastes.

The N64 collected dust.

>>4575893
>shit budget platformer with NES Mario-tier gameplay
>two butt ugly multiplat 3D action games
>everything changed
Wooooooow what a faggot.

>>4575891
>OoT was probably the first game to implement a day/night cycle that really contributed to making the world fill alive.
that would be ultima V

>>4575893
I was a life-long Nintendo kid up to that point, but I just had to play Final Fantasy 7 so badly that I swallowed my pride and bought a used PS1.

... but I continued to get games for both systems at once, and continued on to 6th gen with both a PS2 and Gamecube.

>>4575901
>NES Mario-tier gameplay
I have two huge problems with this
One you imply NES Mario-tier gameplay isn't fucking top-tier
Two you imply fucking Crash Bandicoot is on NES Mario's level

>>4575901
>NES Mario-tier gameplay
that's better gameplay than any collectathon has

>>4575760
>got the best platformers
A dying genre at the time
>got the best shooters
If you care about those, you would play on pc
>got the best adventure games
No longer snes times, people moved on to fps
>got the best racers
>got the best puzzlers
Yes, i'm going to buy a N64 to play racers and puzzles.
>got the best multiplayer games
No, that was the psx
>b-but muh cringe JRPGs with anime characters s-so none of that matters
That's right, the best selling videogame genre, the one that has survived since the eighties. Is not hard to understand the success of PSX.

>>4575760
unquestioning brand loyalty is a mental illness. You are literally dividing people into opposing tribes based on their choice of imported electronic toys.

I will cut a nigger if they try and tell me there's a better soap than Irish Spring.

>>4575907
Imagine being such a retarded faggot with no capability for independent thought that you think fucking NES Mario is a "collectathon" because ecelebs and /v/ users have lead you to believe any Nintendo game is a collecathon, despite Crash having more to collect than NES Mario. I mean holy fuck kid.

>>4575945
>NES Mario is a "collectathon"
Imagine being so SEETHING that you can't even read
I was implying that NES mario has better gameplay than any 5th gen collectathon you illiterate imbecile

>>4575932
>A dying genre at the time
LOL what? SM64 literally outsold the PS1's best selling game, Gran Turismo, despite only having 1/3 as many consoles sold. Are you legit retarded?
>If you care about those, you would play on pc
Not an argument.
>No longer snes times, people moved on to fps
Not an argument.
>Yes, i'm going to buy a N64 to play racers and puzzles.
Not an argument.
>No, that was the psx
Lmao, yeah, the console with almost no multiplayer games outside of fighters and only two controller ports had the best multiplayer. You are fucking touched in the head you wretched little goblin.
>That's right, the best selling videogame genre, the one that has survived since the eighties. Is not hard to understand the success of PSX.
JRPGs have literally never been the best selling genre at any point in time and every fucking genre ever made has "survived" in some capacity. Your stupidity physically angers me, congratulations.

>>4575954
How about learning to write first retard? That statement easily implied that Crash's gameplay was better than a collectathon because it has similar gameplay to NES Mario. Don't tell me you're actually this stupid.

>>4575959
and where exactly did you get that "NES Mario is a collectathon" from that post you retarded faggot

>>4575959
>>4575945
read the post again dude

>>4575932
>Yes, i'm going to buy a N64 to play racers and puzzles.
storyfag detected

>>4575985
See: >>4575848
The Shit-Rat bible is never wrong. Good catch, anon.

I always found it a strange hypocrisy that people rag on the original Genesis controller for only having three buttons yet never rag on the original PS1 controller for not having any sticks.

>>4576004
>never rag on the original PS1 controller for not having any sticks.
I'm guessing it's because most PS1 games don't use the sticks anyway

>>4575848
To this day I can't believe people get motion sickness from videogames

>>4575932
F Zero X is a great reason to own a N64 though

>>4576073
>To this day I can't believe people get motion sickness from videogames
With Shit-Rats, anything is possible.

>>4575760
you forgot
>got the best fighting games - smash bros
>got the most fun party games - bomberman
>got the best 4 player split screen games - donkey kong
>got the best voice acting - conker
>got the best stories - also conker
>got the best arcade conversions - star soldier
>got the best 16 bit updates - star fox 64
>has the best open world games - space station silicon valley
>got the most accurate osts - neon genesis
>got the best pc conversions - duke nukem 3d
>got the games with most freedom - pilot wings
>has the games with the best characters - diddy kong racing
>got the games with the best reflections - perfect dark
>got the best simulators - animal crossing

>>4576128
Honestly I didn't forget, I just didn't want to overload the rats with too many facts because I knew they'd have a hard enough time digesting what I wrote to begin with. Shit, remind them we had best RPGs like Paper Mario or Ogre Battle 64, or best fighters like Killer Instinct and they will go absolutely batshit.

>>4575817
>implemented well
>time stops in towns
Fuck off, Nintendildo.

>>4576073
I do, but framerate isn't that big a factor. Motion blur on LCDs is the worst. It's nearly impossible for me to play unfixed perspective 3D games on a handheld.

>>4576207
WHAF THEIR WAD THINKING PIECE OF COEAWABONGA PEEDS OF DODSHIG

>>4576128
>best fighting games

Saturn has way more and they're better.

>>4575760
2 of those statements were correct.

>>4575760
OMFG GO OUTSIDE
SERIOUSLY WHAT'S THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE

but n64 doesn't have any adventure game

>>4579862
>Zelda
>not an adventure game
How many paint chips do you eat on a daily basis?

>>4579870
zelda is an rpg, ya dingas

>>4579910
Oh boy, here we go.

Alright retardoid, first off, a game having muh swords and dragons doesn't make it an RPG. Technically, any game with a recognizable character is an RPG. Donkey Kong could be a fucking RPG by this autistic standard. So, if we really want to define what is generally considered to be an RPG, we look at the mechanics most typical "RPGs" consist of: combat-focused gameplay, character classes, stats and skill trees, loot, all of that. Zelda doesn't have that. Zelda is only an RPG in the same way you would call Donkey Kong an RPG.

No, Zelda is an adventure game. An adventure game is a game where you go on a fucking adventure. You explore, solve puzzles, talk to characters, collect items with particular uses, and maybe engage in some degree of combat. That's an adventure game. That's Zelda. That's not an RPG.

Now shut the fuck up.

>>4575760
>got the best adventure games
What adventure games does it have? I'm most interested in action/adventure genre, so far I played Conker on XBOX but it was okayish.

Don't really care about shooters, platformers, racers and puzzlers here.

>>4579919
Didn't read the thread, but what makes a RPG a RPG? I would say final fantasy is more of an adventure game than a RPG. Can't really say I know much RPGS aside from dungeon crawlers that I would say they are RPGS. Open world and choices that shape world, combined with the character being a blank paper that the user can fill in himself in the context of imposed setting/world? Following this definition, old type dungeon crawlers aren't RPGs. Like Diablo, might and magic. As well as games with linear worlds like Fallout 1.

>>4580412

>>4575932
>a dying genre at the time
Seriously? Platformers were popular as hell during this era. What have you been smoking? JRPGs were also popular but they're pretty much dead now.

>>4576128
>got the best voice acting - conker
>got the best stories - also conker
Not really a side in this dispute, but a story with cock jokes and few popculture references here and there the greatest story?

>got the most accurate osts - neon genesis
What do you mean by that?

>>got the games with the best reflections - perfect dark
Wasn't PC the best in graphics?

>>4580425
Thx. How about something with less rainbowish aesthethics?

>>4580432

>>4580438
Pure shit

>>4580452
Doubt you've played it.

>>4580438
Thanks anon.
This looks so bad, but the gameplay looks so experimental, will try out. Anything else?

>>4580424
>I would say final fantasy is more of an adventure game than a RPG
I can't even express in words how stupid this is.

>>4580438
weirdest game I ever played when I was a kid

>>4580412
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Mega Man 64
Goemon series
Shadow Man
Castlevania

All of these are solid choices.

>>4580460
Go ahead, express yourself, if you can.
How is FF7 an RPG?
The RPG is just an abtract term in video game industry anyway, at least the way I see it.

>>4580459
Battle system is indeed the best part of the game.
Also try out the Bomberman games.

>>4580456
I have and it was pure shit.

>>4580465
I literally just explained this right here >>4579919

The best way to define an RPG is to look at what most RPGs include, which typically consists of character building with classes, skills, stats, etc., loot drops that vary in quality, heavy focus on combat, on and on. Saying FF7 isn't an RPG is stupid by any reasonable definition, and frankly it seems like you're just trying to play the odd man out for muh unique perspective.

>>4580462
Thanks.
I think thats why I never really got into this console, I never liked racing, shooters, and ps1 aesthetics of adventure games seemed more attractive back then. Being a ninja that slits throats is a bit more interesting to some than a smurf green looking dude. (when you are a kid)

Can't wait to browse this library. Any emulator you recomend? No CTR TVs left, they all gave up on me.

>>4580465
>>4580424
video RPGs are almost never *true* RPGs. The term is just used to identify a genre of video games. While they may not actually be RPGs, you still know what people mean when they say it.

>>4580473
I guess it was not for you. I won't say it's a perfect game, but it has a unique, engaging battle system. I enjoyed it, 7/10.

>>4580475
retroarch's mupen64plus core with CRT shader

>>4580474
> which typically consists of character building with classes, skills, stats, etc., loot drops that vary in quality, heavy focus on combat
FF7 has nothing of that
>FF7 isn't an RPG is stupid by any reasonable definition,
What definition,the one that you just gave and it failed?

Also
>heavy focus on combat
Oh wow. Think about this for a minute.

>>4580465
stats and leveling is what makes an RPG a RPG.

>>4580482
Will this be good for 40' screen LCD TV?

>>4580475
The thing you have to realize about the N64 library is that it's small and there are a handful (say, 10 or so) games which everyone immediately associates with it, but then there's a treasure trove of really great stuff that most people don't know about. For example, if you like puzzlers, Wetrix and Tetrisphere are seriously two of the best games ever made and nobody ever talks about them. If you have any particular kinds of games you like, let me know and I'll be glad to give you thorough recommendations as I'm probably the biggest N64 autist on this board.

As for emulation, honestly, N64 emulation is shit. A lot of retards will tell you otherwise but they're wrong. If you really want to explore the library and don't feel like dropping a ton of cash, just buy an Everdrive and get a used CRT off CL for like $10, sometimes even free.

>>4580490
a 40' LCD TV will give you bad input delay regardless of what emulator you use, but if you don't mind that it doesn't really affect emulator choice. enabling hard GPU sync in retroarch wil give you the lowest input lag possible but it will still be bad on your TV. But if you're gonna play games like OoT which aren't very demanding of the player it's not a big deal.

>>4580484
>FF7 has nothing of that
Uh well let's see,
>each character represents a different style and is effectively a unique class
>there are literally stats and abilities
>there are literally loot drops of all different kinds
>the game is literally about combat
That last one really blew my mind. FF7 not having a heavy focus on combat. I mean, wow.
>What definition,the one that you just gave and it failed?
>y-you failed because, because you f-failed
Yeah okay retard whatever helps you sleep. FF7 not an RPG lmao...

>>4580484
>FF7
>no skills or stats
>not combat focused

>>4580491
>As for emulation, honestly, N64 emulation is shit. A lot of retards will tell you otherwise but they're wrong.
are you too illiterate to explore past project64 with default plugins?

>>4580498
>are you too illiterate to explore past project64 with default plugins?
Are you too retarded to realize that only the biggest games on the platform are well optimized and 75% of everything else runs like dogshit?

>>4580502
>Are you too retarded to realize that only the biggest games on the platform are well optimized and 75% of everything else runs like dogshit?
are you too illiterate to explore past project64 with default plugins?

>>4580496
>>each character represents a different style and is effectively a unique class
They all play the same. Except for aeris, that cant really do physical damage.
>>there are literally stats and abilities
so having some stats fixes the requirement?
>>there are literally loot drops of all different kinds
More like shit drops. Literally all essential equipment is done via minigames.
>the game is literally about combat
So is Halo and Half life. Actually FF7 emphasis is on different parts of the game, since combat ends very fast, encounter rates are rare, and 99% encounters along with bossses do not pose any threat.

>>4580503
>are you too illiterate to explore past project64 with default plugins?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, a retard would just keep repeating themselves. Enjoy shit emulation because you're too poor to drop $100 on an Everdrive you dumb faggot.

Emulation is fine for testing out the catalogue, but if you want the best experience, I think original hardware is a better option. Emulation is functional, but requires you to fiddle around configs too much (multiple times during playthroughs sometimes), and sometimes some minor errors might still not go away.
Also, some games don't control as well with other controllers.
It's not like N64 are expensive, and some of the most popular games can be found loose for under 30 bucks.

>>4580507
You are dense.

>>4580507
>w-well okay, it has that stuff b-but it doesn't count
>backpedaling this hard

>>4580508
enjoy illiteracy

>>4580496
>FINAL FANTASY ISN'T AN RPG IT'S AN ADVENTURE, LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT MY UNIQUE OPINION, LET'S ARGUE OVER SEMANTICS AND PRETEND ALL OF THE OTHER 7 MILLION PEOPLE WHO'D CALL IT AN RPG ARE WRONG BECAUSE I'M SUCH A FUCKING FAGGOT LOL
jesus just shut the fuck up

>>4580521
oops meant for this faggot >>4580507

>>4580521
I never said FF7 is not an RPG. I think you have anger issues.

>>4580525
>"I would say final fantasy is more of an adventure game than a RPG."
>"How is FF7 an RPG?"
>I never said FF7 is not an RPG
lmao bro im not even that anon but you are seriously one of the most functionally retarded people to ever visit this site

>>4580525
> I think you have anger issues.
I think you have a spectrum disorder. And yeah, yeah you did. You literally did.

>>4580527
I said more, not 100%
Next: I asked a question

So yes, never did I say FF7 is not an RPG. You have some problems.

>>4580530
>"How is FF7 an RPG?"
>So yes, never did I say FF7 is not an RPG.

lol.

>>4580530
>You have some problems.
Literally the de facto defense of someone who loses an argument.

>>4580530
You obviously thought RPG was just a buzzword that meant nothing which is really embarrassing.

>>4580530
>y-you have problems
>well, *huguff*, it might have that stuff b-but it barely counts
>I NEVERUH SAIDUH THATUH...

>>4575760
This. N64 is so goddamn superior with a flashcart. I was playing the other day with a friend a 2 random dudes that were his friends and you could see the joy in their faces while playing bomberman, mario kart 64, the mini games of pokemon stadium or turok rage wars. The console is just THAT good, so easy to pick up and play no matter who you are or what you've played before.

>>4575817
>This is what final fantasy 7 retards actually believe.
>hating a subtle cameo of mario
>Not thinking that koji kondo music is better
>Thinking that final snoozefestasy fights are intense.


damn....

Killer Instinct Gold is very underrated

>>4580548
Good taste my friend, and you're right. I don't know what it is, but there' something uniquely special about the N64 that causes people to gravitate towards it. It has a ton of great multiplayer experiences, a ton of great singleplayer experiences, and this insanely tight, compact library that despite its size has so much to offer. I always find myself playing games on other consoles and thinking "yeah... this is cool... but there's a similar game on N64 that's way better". Can't find a better shooter than Perfect Dark, can't find a better racer than F-Zero or Mario Kart, can't find a better fighter than Smash or Killer Instinct, on and on. I mean fuck, for as few RPGs as it has, I still can't find one better than Paper Mario. Not mention so easy to pick up and play like you said, no load times, 4 player heaven, built like a fucking tank... man, just such a good console in every way.

>>4580536
"A role-playing game (sometimes spelled roleplaying game[1][2] and abbreviated to RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]"

I repeat my question: how is FF7 an RPG? More than any other game.

>>4580554
Lol oh my god, this faggot comes back for another round, this time copypasting wikipedia or some shit. Just give it up, jesus christ.

>>4575848
100% true

>>4580554
>asks how FF7 is an RPG
>then says he never said it wasn't
>comes back and asks how it's an rpg... again, after saying he never said it wasn't
You are legitimately autistic. I'm not saying that as some kind of trite insult, I'm telling you that you, legitimately, have Asperger's or something to that degree. This is insane.

>>4580562
Jesus, this is scary accurate.

>>4580563
I don't care.

Also
If I ask how FF7 is an RPG, I do not state that it isn't RPG.

>>4580581
hmm or maybe...
any native english speaker that can explain the differences? Between "how is" and "is it"?

>>4580553
Absolutely, and one of the things I really love is that a lot of the games have this weird, experimental yet ethereal visuals. They are like a fever dream lost in the 90's. Also the very good games for the console are like a good punch in the chin. Everything after the fifth gen of consoles got so polished that kind of lost the magic for me.

>>4580591
Rayman 2 by far has the most interesting world/aesthetic of any 3D platformer. It's completely different from Rayman 1's too.

>>4580630
Yes, another cool plattaformer is Rocket: Robot On Wheels man it feels like those old cartoon network bumpers that appeared beetwen commercials but made into a videogame.

https://youtu.be/axrba1dChYQ

>Giving a shit about console war happened 20 years ago
>not just owning both consoles for 100$ and playing what you want
Typical manchildren soyboy.

>>4580641
not retro but Yo! Noid 2 is a recently made game in the style of 5th gen 3D platformers and is actually really great. It fits right in with the N64 and PS1 games.

>>4580671
I actually do own a PS1 and quite a few games, I just recognize how much better the N64 is and find it funny that retarded PS1 fans jump at any opportunity to bring it into a discussion because they're still assblasted about never owning one.

>>4580676

The drone approves.

>N64 has good games
yes, like all 12 of them

>>4575854
It's also funny how he made another picture with basically the same text but a white background and new pictures on it just so he would seem original.

>>4582782
Also forgot to mention that he still kept the cringy filename.

>>4582764
Quality, not quantity, my dear anon.

I'll take those dozen top tier games over the PSX library which is 99% shovelware.

>>4580682
>they're still assblasted about never owning one

And yet you start a thread about how upset you are when PS1 fans dismiss N64.

>inb4 /v2k/ discussion
Can we please, for the love of god, stop being so embarassing as a board?
You all keep complaining about /v/ and *eddit, yet most of you act like you're from those places.
Can we all please for once be civilized and stop with all of the sperging? I get that some of you may legit have mental issues, but holy shit, arguing about stuff that mattered only 15 years ago is abominably stupid, especially when posts like this start appearing every day because somebody desperately craves for attention.

>>4575760
>got the best platformers
PS1 was better,
>got the best shooters
PS1 was better, unless by "shooter" you meant "only FPS".
>got the best adventure games
PS1 was better.
>got the best racers
PS1 was better.
>got the best puzzlers
PS1 was better.
>got the best multiplayer games
Because the hardware supported 4 players by default, the PS1 had better and more multiplayer games (sadly, most were 2 players only)

Joke thread? PS1 library shits so hard on N64's it's not even funny, the Saturn library is also superior if one counts all the good games released only in Japan.

>>4582926
sorry, without caring about the n64, the psx is one of the worst consoles of the generation and everything you wrote is trash, as far as I read it...

>>4582926
were these characters designed by D.A.R.E.

>>4582926
See, your prescence was to be expected anon.
>>4575848

>>4582926
>worse graphics
>over abundance of shit jrpgs
>used a d-pad for 3d games for years
>racing games were shit
>exclusive games were often mediocre (crash, Spiro, ape escape were exceptions)
>only 2 player multiplayer

>>4583016
better games, though.

yay another n64 thread

>>4583068
>being a console war shitposter from /v/

>>4583117
my favorite game is ocarina of time