Quantcast
[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / g / ic / jp / lit / sci / tg / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports / report a bug ] [ 4plebs / archived.moe / rbt ]

Due to resource constraints, /g/ and /tg/ will no longer be archived or available. Other archivers continue to archive these boards.Become a Patron!

/vr/ - Retro Games


View post   

[ Toggle deleted replies ]
File: 1.93 MB, 1600x1297, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4562614 No.4562614 [Reply] [Original] [archived.moe]

>stop credit feeding losers

>is outed as a fraud.


Haahhahabye.

>> No.4562616

Fucking finally.

>> No.4562620
File: 55 KB, 512x512, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4562620

>>4562614
Scumbag.

This guy is next

>> No.4562626

>>4562614
>is outed as a fraud.
Source? Link?

>> No.4562630

>>4562626
http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=946633&viewfull=1#post946633

>> No.4562638

>>4562614
Never trust long-haired men.

>> No.4562640
File: 56 KB, 550x386, ZZ5868F046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4562640

>>4562614
>>4562630
cry harder plebs. your salty tears are delicious.

>> No.4562646 [DELETED] 
File: 86 KB, 1376x1013, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4562646

>>4562620
No this guy. Bet he never even finishes most games, into cuck porn, and cp.

>>4562640
You're the one who is butthurt.

>> No.4562658
File: 107 KB, 454x984, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4562658

Manlet btfo

>> No.4562669

>>4562638
This desu

>> No.4562674

Butthurt emulator fags incoming.

>> No.4562680

>>4562674
Like Billy

>> No.4562683

>>4562658
Oh neat. One of those cute little bartop cabinets.

>> No.4562709

TIME'S UP!!!!!

>> No.4562719

>>4562646
>n-no you
Not an argument

>> No.4562720

This just proves how much of a gaming god Billy is. To get over a million on DK with a 2004 version of MAME and all the lag he likely had to deal with is nothing short of omnipotent.

He's also got a 960k live DK score and the first perfect Pac-Man score, also done live (the other guy making the claim missed the regenerating dots on board 256).

Based Billy. Still working the marks into a seething shoot.

>> No.4562746

>>4562614
he did it live in front of people on arcade machines numerous times. plus he's using vhs videos to claim its all fake.

>> No.4562819

>>4562614
What's wrong with creding feeding?

>> No.4562824

>>4562614
He is next on the list to get his scores stripped.

>http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong?p=946633&viewfull=1#post946633

>> No.4562836
File: 25 KB, 432x319, 1483831158398.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4562836

http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=2055

Weaponized autism can bring down men

>> No.4562837

>>4562646
>Bet he never even finishes most games
neither him nor mike matei can play anything worth a piss it's why all there reviews (the serious ones) are complete fucking garbage.

>> No.4562840

>>4562630
The video was 30fps, why isn't this gatekeeper reviewing the actual VHS tapes and determine how they were made

>> No.4562849

>>4562630
>It's emulated so it didn't count!

You make it sound as if they actually had a point.

>> No.4562858

>>4562849
I think the point is that he TASed his run on mame so he got unusually high points on the barrels.

>> No.4562861

>>4562858

Who is even claiming that though?

>> No.4562862

>>4562849
Well, if you submit it as a real hardware run, then tehere is something fishy.

>> No.4562864

>>4562861
> 1) While clearly MAME, there is no way to tell exactly how these games were performed. It's possible they were recorded in one shot. Given the play style in Billy's videos, it's more likely that vanilla MAME's INP recording feature was abused, in which a person can re-record an INP as many times as they wish to craft their desired performance.

>> No.4562868

>>4562861
Just from the stuff Ive read or heard I think they are implying that now that is confirmed for being emulated he also tool assisted his run for maximum points.
Thats all.

>> No.4562884

you could tell he was fake in the movie king of kong. All videos like this from now on need to require are least a hand cam to prove someone is actually playing the game.

>> No.4562890

>>4562884
People have cheated records for 10 years with a camera pointed at their hands.
Video proofs just need audit by knowledgeable people.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfnXSHj8wrk

>> No.4562968

>>4562620
What kind of skeletons has this guy got in his closet?

>> No.4563107

>>4562620

Having met him in person, this guy comes across as a super caring individual. It's like talking to your own grandpa who genuinely loves you. He will take time no matter how busy he is to share a moment with you. I know walter day was and still is quite involved in transcendental meditation and learned about it in fairfield iowa at maharishi university, home of a bunch of way out there teachings. I've lived in the ottumwa area my whole life and have to say, these maharishi folks are fucking strange. We call them "floaters" as they believe they can levitate through meditation. In reality, they are bouncing off their ass up into the air, not floating. They meditate so deeply that they often shit and piss themselves during.

At a hardware store I used to work at, "floaters" would come in and say they wanted to buy a toaster. They would literally look at dozens of toasters, out of box to find a model they wanted. They would then look at dozens of the particular model and find one that was "just right". IDK if it was mechanical defects they were looking for or thinking it had some spiritual meaning or what. These guys are fucking loaded with money relative to the rest of the surrounding areas. They will buy a multi thousand dollar home stereo and then throw it out in a few months and get another one. I honestly think they fleece celebrities (see the beatles and jim carrey) to get money. It's a very strange cult like organization.

He's very charismatic and that could be explained by his practices with this organization. IDK if he still deals with them, but he learned it there. Think scientology with less direct evil.

I have no idea of his ethics, trustworthiness etc., but the guy seems to genuinely care about people and has close relationships with his vivya "disciples". Maybe objective truth isn't as important as these relationships. Anyway, thought I might actually have something to add to the discussion, hope some anons find it interesting.

>> No.4563115

>>4563107
So basically, he's a cult nutter that manipulates people and acts nice to pull people into the bullshit. Got it.

>> No.4563123 [DELETED] 

>>4563115

Basically. IIRC the university or guru, whichever would also sell mantras to people to use for meditation. Basically you make a "donation" and get a mantra. I'm not entirely versed in the subject, pretty much talked to a few people that used to be in the movement.

The beatles one was one of the most famous, look it up if interested.

When I used to go to church one of my old pastors actually used to be into the meditation part, I guess they can even make their hearts stop briefly. He got to that point and it scared him. He said it made him realize this was a satanic influence that was trying to control his very life or death. I'm not trying to say this is correct, but it's how he described it. It made him realize what he was doing was wrong and led him to convert to christianity.

Honestly the whole subject is pretty interesting, even down to them fleecing celebrities and such. I mentioned Jim Carrey earlier, if you watch some of his interviews and documentaries, you'll realize the guy is pretty off. He's been a guest speaker at maharishi (videos are online), so he's really into it. I like some of his comedies, but man is the guy a nutter.

>> No.4563124

>>4562620
Walter is too pure for this world.

>> No.4563190

>>4562614
Why would he care about credit-feeding when the only game he plays is fucking ancient stuff like Donkey Kong, which had no continue option?

>> No.4563193

>>4562620
Walter Day's only character flaw is being so genuinely nice and non-judgmental that he allows himself to be surrounded by degenerates who make him look bad by association.

>> No.4563206

>>4563107
Based on your description I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between a floater and a shart.

>> No.4563207

>>4562819
Dumbass credit-feeds their way to the end of arcade games in MAME. It's technically not cheating even though nobody would spend $50 on a single playthrough of an arcade game. Dumbass never gets good and believes old arcade games are "frustrating quarter-munchers" then gets a job as a video game journalist.

>> No.4563220 [DELETED] 

>>4563193
like a naive liberal who believes an illegal mexican just happened to find a gun laying around and it just happened to go off when he was pointing it at a woman when he actually meant to hit a sea lion. like seriously how fucking retarded do you have to be to buy that story though, walter might be naive but that shit drives me bonkers

>> No.4563238

>>4562620
Le mr nice guy Moral relativist

>> No.4563264

>>4563193
So we've got
>mr. too nice who may be involved in some sort of creepy transcendant cult
>a whole fuckload of sex offender status "refereees"
>multiple "legendary players" who were full of shit liars and were defended by the scumbag refs
>any records they have might as well be written on toilet paper for all they're worth

Wow, Twin Galaxies sure is a giant steaming load of shit. You can smell it for miles.

>> No.4563265 [DELETED] 

>>4563220
You do realize that the bullet hit the ground, ricochet'd off the ground, and hit the woman. Like, you can go see the ricochet mark. Learn about the actual case before just coming into /vr/ to bitch about Mexicans.

>> No.4563271 [DELETED] 

>>4563265
Report and move on, Anon. Replying to /pol/shit will only proliferate it.

>> No.4563272

>>4563264
But it makes for such great threads. The best part is all the "trolls" pretending to be some sort of Rogers/Mitchell/whoever fanboy, as if anyone here actually has any emotional investment in these people outside of laughing at them for getting caught cheating.

>> No.4563354 [DELETED] 

>>4563265
1) guns dont just "go off" on their own
the fact he was mexican is irrelevent I just said that so you would know what case I was talking about. You have to be a fucking naive cunt to believe that for a second. Even if it was a ricochet that retarded piece of shit knew he had a gun in his hands and knew what he was doing. Like you're an actual fucking idiot thinking this was just about mexicans but I guess thats the mind of a liberal seeing everything though racial lens, thinking mexicans are dumber than white people and need special treatment

>> No.4563357

>>4563354
Yo, take it the fuck back to /pol/ and keep it there.

>> No.4563368 [DELETED] 

>>4563357
fuck off moron this is in regards to how the fuck can people be so naive, it's not /pol/ shit just cause he was an illegal mexican you fucking rascist

>> No.4563372

>>4563368
>it's not /pol/ shit
Fucking whatever it is, it certainly ISN'T /vr/ or on-topic for the thread, so take it somewhere else.

>> No.4563381 [DELETED] 
File: 268 KB, 1366x768, seeilikebrownpeopletoo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4563381

>>4563372
>>4563372
the topic was naive cunts like walter day

>> No.4563435 [DELETED] 

>>4563381
No, the topic was Billy Mitchell. You just managed to shitpost your way into "naive cunts" eventually. And when you start shrieking like a faggot about "mexicans, muh guns, racism!" people are going to assume, quite correctly, that you're a /pol/tard out of your containment board.

>> No.4563504 [DELETED] 

>>4563381
>put "muh" before something
>argument won

>> No.4563510 [DELETED] 

>>4563504
>being so angry you reply to the wrong post

>> No.4563568

>>4563207
>Dumbass never gets good and believes old arcade games are "frustrating quarter-munchers" then gets a job as a video game journalist.
Never 5get https://gamecritics.com/brad-gallaway/3231/

>> No.4563904

>>4562614
It looks like Billy fooled people for a long time with his MAME-masquerading-as-original-PCB&cabinet-scheme, but Todd's scores are legitimate. Honestly, Activision and its programmers are behind him, plus he did his Dragster record in front of two different sets of witnesses at two different shows.

As for Billy, I do wonder how good he really is and now I wonder if his Pac Man scores are bogus too.

>> No.4563912

>>4562658
I got a cabinet like that(no, not DK) and it would seem I'm much taller than Billy, but if after taking a second look it would seem that the cabinet he was using was elevated at least 4 inches, hence the steps.

The photo looks weird, maybe shopped since it's obvious that he's on the tall side from the videos he can be seen it. So what gives?

>> No.4563967

>>4562614
>>4562630
Billy was probably banking on this happening and will just do another live record run where he'll blow them all the fuck out. The guy is only in this for the showmanship and it must get boring to just keep breaking records without making salty nerds saltier than usual.

>> No.4563985

>>4563967
>live record run
Ah cute like some sort of track event?

>> No.4563991

>>4563967
Do it then, Billy.

>> No.4564180

>>4563967
I think ive read somewhere that he has never broken 1 mil in a live/public event.

>> No.4564254

>>4564180
Yeah, you read that in TG's latest drama post surrounding all this controversy. This was conveniently linked in a recent Reddit post, which was how you got to the article and the reason why you're pretending not to remember where you read it.

http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=946633&viewfull=1#post946633

>> No.4564261

>>4564254
chill dude not everyone is mentally ill like yourself.

>> No.4564265

>>4564261
It's fine. Just pointing out that we could have just skipped the bullshit and posted either a direct link to the post or the Reddit thread. Either one would've worked. We didn't need all the "lel i don't remember when i was on reddit this morning, no, wait, i mean..."

>> No.4564272

>>4564265
Or I have read it from one of the 20 links posted in this thread.
Please take a break from the virtual world and relax.

>> No.4564278

>>4564272
But you didn't. You read it on Reddit, realized that you didn't want to fess up to that on the website that's obsessed with the "le reddit boogeyman" and waffled with some "I think I might've read somewhere maybe this one time..."

>> No.4564280

>>4564278
if you say so bud

>> No.4564282

>>4564280
And I do say so. Mostly because it's true.

>> No.4564350

>>4563193
He's also a former drug addict who lived in his car for 2 years.

>> No.4564398

>>4563904
Todd got his shit wreck'd too.

>> No.4564429

>>4564398
Not really, there's lots of evidence that Jeremy's model is biased and narrow, while the mountain of evidence backs Todd's claims. At any rate, fuck Twin Galaxies, they're a joke. No one needs them anymore. I say Guinness can accept scores directly because anyone can learn online what is legitimate and what is not legitimate. TG has outlived its usefulness.

>> No.4564431

Really, set up a camera and go! Make sure it gets the game beforehand and after, that it also captures the controls and the player's hands as well. ~The Fucking End~

>> No.4564490

>>4564431
You'd think it was that simple, but Twin Galaxies was loaded with pedo "referees" that let anything from their buddies slide, no matter how obviously sketchy it was.

>> No.4564496

>>4564490
>but Twin Galaxies was loaded with pedo "referees"
lmao

Dude, there was only one pedo referee, and he's in prison. I'm all for shitting on TG for doing bullshit, but get the facts straight.

>> No.4564502

>>4564490
Cut them out entirely. As if Guinness cannot find the information that they need about any game from anyone else? Hah. And if someone makes the argument that only the old guard can judge old hardware, then what happens when the older guys start dying? "Welp I s'pose no one can make a determination regarding any game past 1995."? Youtube video are more convincing then their retardedly over-complicated website loaded with cliques and some scumbags to boot.

>> No.4564506

>>4564496
Naw, man, they're right. Ron Bailey went to prison too. So that's at least two pedos at TG.

>> No.4564540

>>4563912

I think it's a custom cabinet someone made extra large, that or photoshop.

>> No.4564545

>>4564540
You're probably right that it's a custom cabinet for promotional and dramatic purposes. If it's a 'shop it's one of the best(unlikely).

>> No.4564548

so donkeykong.com has mame records in their rankings, so why is it a big deal if mitchell did it?

>> No.4564549

>>4564548
The suspicious part was not telling everyone he was playing on emulator.

>> No.4564553

>>4564549
but if arcade and mame runs are ranked the same why does it matter?

>> No.4564558

>>4564548
IIRC there are seperate entries for MAME. Basically he's legit good at the game, but real hardware and MAME are different categories. I'm not saying he cheated, but was dishonest with the record if he's claiming it's real hardware.

>> No.4564564

>>4564558
the top 10 rankings on donkeykongforum.com have arcade and mame on the same table

>> No.4564571

>>4564558
It's kind of ironic that Steve Wiebe was harassed and constantly had scores removed for the kinds of hardware he used or who he got the arcade board from while Billy got away for years with using a MAME run that may or may not have been segmented.

>> No.4564608

>>4564553
If it doesn't matter why didn't he warn everyone beforehand?

>> No.4564613

>>4564548

because he was deceptive (to say the very least) about it

>> No.4564642

>>4564496
I keep reading about the diddler ref at TG and heard Pat and Ian talk about it on their podcast but never saying a name.

Was it that creepy Robert Mursack with his wack anime porno art

>> No.4564696

>>4564496
You're thinking of Magic the Gathering tournament refs. Multiple pedos there, only one pedo at TG.

>> No.4564729

>>4563107
>>4563124
>>4563193

>walter day is a good pers-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHeMUSo4SDg

Nah, he's a conman just like Billy Mitchel.

>> No.4564773

>>4564729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3JOgbxI8x0

>> No.4564776

>>4564729
>1 HOUR 20 MONTHS
>>4564773
>2 MILLENNIUMS 30 LIGHTYEARS

>> No.4564794

and once again it is proven that scoring sucks and those who defend it are ASPIES

>> No.4564891

>>4563107
what a fascinating story

>> No.4564963

>>4564278
Holy shit dude let it go.

>> No.4565016

>>4564776
desu I didnt finish them myself, but the gist I got was that walter day colluded with billy mitchell in order to play up his image and get him more illegitimate records, as well as outright lying to promote mitchell/twin galaxies
in the king of kong documentary you can already see some signs of this when he blindly accepts billy's VHS tape as proof of a new score but won't allow any VHS tapes from wiebe

>> No.4565025 [DELETED] 

So is this, like, the #MeToo of retro gaming
Does "the anonymous armchair activist" want to be Time's person of the year that badly

>> No.4565074
File: 170 KB, 921x665, 122416544.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4565074

Here's footage of Billy Mitchell giving an award to his friend - a convicted child rapist - in 2014... even calling him "goofball". Nobody in the room was made aware of his past & young kids were present.

Billy Mitchell, Walter Day, Richie Knucklez give award to convicted child predator Stephen Krogman
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9b_1475088510

>> No.4565098

>>4562614
Billy "buy my hot sauce" Mitchell

>> No.4565203

>>4564642
see
>>4544345

>> No.4565214

>>4565016
They're both charlatans.

>> No.4565284
File: 12 KB, 300x158, brian-kuh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4565284

>>4562614
>there is a potential Donkey Kong record BTFO coming up if anyone is interested

>> No.4565920

>>4562720
Ding-dong-diddly

>> No.4565980

>>4565074

...and?

How's that relevant to anything?
Doesn't invalidate how good the guy can play video games in any way and if he wants to give an award to him for it...fine?

Go play in the mud if you want to dig up completely irrelevant dirt.

>> No.4565984

>>4562864
>likely that


It's literally nothing.

>> No.4565993

>>4565074

>People are nothing more than their crimes.

>> No.4566037

>>4562658
>Manly Tear's Dad plays a countertop cabinet

>> No.4566108

>>4562646
Wait, what? Redpill me on that last point you made about the AVGN anon

>> No.4566114

>>4562614
OP is butthurt.

>> No.4566128
File: 72 KB, 499x342, 1491075819642.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4566128

>caring about washed up hacks when they haven't even been near the record in eight years
It's all about Wes Copeland and Robbie Lakeman these days

>> No.4566528

>>4565993
>t. pedo

how's NAMBLA treating you?

>> No.4567712

>>4566108
It's just /tv/ or /v/ leaking

>> No.4567716

Billy Mitchell more like Silly Bitchell haHA

>> No.4567723

if it weren't for the controversy, corruption, and david vs goliath story, nobody would know who these people are

>> No.4567725

>>4567723
Yeah nobody cares about fucking pacman.

>> No.4567815

>>4567716
ha

>> No.4567824

>>4567716
kek

>> No.4568746

SILLY BITCHELL

>> No.4568829

>>4562890
>people
>literally one guy who only didn't get caught because noone looked at his handcam before
>it's literally the handcam that proved it was fake
you're fucking retarded lol

>> No.4568834

>>4564429
>there's lots of evidence that Jeremy's model is biased and narrow, while the mountain of evidence backs Todd's claims.
Imagine being this delusional.

>> No.4571349

why this thread even exist nobody care about hi-scores, atari or golden age

go back to your forums

>> No.4572050

>>4571349

>stop talking about things I don't like


cry moar bitch boi

>> No.4572057
File: 15 KB, 300x323, 1480729113281.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4572057

>>4571349

>> No.4572089

>>4572050
>>4572057
Deal with it, grandpa.

>> No.4572103

>>4571349
this
"""golden""" age of arcade retards, just kys

>> No.4572106

you realize the "golden age" lasted exactly 3 years from 1980 with the release of pacman until 1983 when the videogame industry crashed
and you talk shit about undertale being a fad

>> No.4572119

>>4572106
I thought it was in 1978 with Space Invaders

>> No.4572123

>>4572106
Atari consoles crashed, not arcades, PC or other stuff lol

>> No.4572129

>>4572119
5 years then, still pathetically small time. Fuck arcades and the creepy old men who play them.

>> No.4572131

>>4564282
You have autism

>> No.4572139

>>4572129
Arcades changed and developed a lot in the mid 80's, and for a lot of people for the better, so I don't know where you're coming from.
It's called golden age because back then arcades had little home competition; almost nothing in Japan and the Atari in the US was very inferior to the arcade experience, so it's natural they were at their peak of popularity worldwide.

>> No.4572170

>>4572139
Old men in their 60s who lived through the golden age look down upon 90s arcades and consoles and think they are all credit feeding casual shit. I don't see why I should force myself to give a damn about these games when in fact I find them boring as shit.

>> No.4572174

>>4572170
>Old men in their 60s
What the fuck.
>think they are all credit feeding casual shit.
Those are mostly millenials who had their first exposure to arcade games on MAME and didn't know better, expecting them to be crap like FFVII. You probably are one of these.

>> No.4572180

>>4562614
genetic psychopathy strikes again.

>> No.4572192

>>4572174
As a matter of fact, I do think Final Fantasy movie games are heaps better than Pac Man where you have to play for 3 hours to get to board 256 then the game crashes and you die.

>> No.4572193

>>4572192
>>>/v/

>> No.4572194 [DELETED] 

>>4572174
I just want to hammer the fact in that you're old and shitty and you're near the end of your life. Hope you die soon horribly of rectum cancer or heart attack you waste of oxygen troglodyte.

>> No.4572195

>>4562646
*Sweats* c-c-cp *Gulp*

>> No.4572198

>>4572194
I'm a millenial too

>> No.4572203

>>4572193
>>/hm/
Good board, highly recommend.

>> No.4572205 [DELETED] 

>>4572198
And you have horrible taste if you defend brainlet shit like Missile Command, holy shit you're supposed to know better, underage.

>> No.4572257

>>4572194
>seething

>> No.4572262

>>4572193
It's true lol. FFVII is garbage but at least it is more interesting than a game that you need to play for three minutes and you've already experienced literally everything about the damn thing.

>> No.4572263

>>4572205
Never mentioned Missile Command
>lol ur old
>lol ur young
These trolls are so bad, man

>> No.4572920

>>4572194
Someone's a little upset.
lol

>> No.4573750

Quick rundown:

I understand that Todd Rogers claims are absolute fraud, because most of his scores were suspicious and recently it was technically / reverse engineering proven that 5.51 is impossible in Dragster.

With Mitchell's case, as far I understand is that for his DK scores:
- The video capture of his gameplay are proven to be from MAME and not from real board?
- This raises a suspicion that it would be TASed?
- His biggest score from donkeykong site was removed, thus he fall behind in the leaderboard with his another score
- and TwinGalaxies still persists

>> No.4573841

>>4573750
More or less, yeah.

The issue is that basically footage of all his scores above one million show screen transitions that don't happen on any revision of the real arcade board but do happen with historical versions of MAME.

His highest valid score at the moment is in the 900k+ range which was verified to have taken place in front of a live audience. Current record is something like 1.32m, so a difference of 400,000 points.

And current word on the street in KoK2 is in the works and this is all just a publicity stunt.

>> No.4573947
File: 255 KB, 676x670, snap2799.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4573947

http://archive.is/gPoay

> "When I absolutely had the good fortune to get the score on Donkey Kong and I turned around, one of the people shaking my hand, one of the people patting me on the back was Pete Bouvier, owner of Twin Galaxies," he said to McDonald.

>But during the announcement of his high scores on 6 August 2010 in Ottumwa, Iowa, Mitchell said Bouvier wasn't in the room: "There was a lot of hugs and kisses and hooting and hollering, and from Twin Galaxies, Pete, was on the phone, and Pete was on his way over," he said.


>The interview ended with Mitchell having put forth no substantive defence against the analysis of the gameplay videos. Instead, he focused on the lost video tape of the Boomers high score which he claims will exonerate him if it is located. Twin Galaxies has not made a final decision on the dispute.

>> No.4573961

>>4573841
So he didn't lose the credibility like Todd did?
I got impression, that YT videos are shitting on him like on Todd.

>> No.4573974

>>4573947
What's that face he is making?
Was he posing for the vhs cover of an Amityville Horror sequel?

>> No.4573985

The problem isn't billy mitchel or tod or whatever. The problem is twin galaxies. It's a shady organization with more than enough evidence to bury what is left of its credibility for good.

>> No.4574129

>>4573961
Several different high scores from years apart were submitted as genuine but were certainly faked despite him being a high caliber player.

>> No.4574168

>>4573947
>archive
Why retards do this? is to avoid generating more visits?

>> No.4574171

>>4574168
Yes.

>> No.4574186

>>4574168
Usually yes, and also online publications will quietly edit libelous articles if they get called out on it.

>> No.4574226

>>4574129
>400,000 points behind the record
>high caliber player
lol

>> No.4574903 [DELETED] 

>>4563123
your pastor is right about that actually transcendence is about communication with other planes of existence most of these new age people dont even realize they are actually in communication with demons when they do that stuff.

>> No.4574926

>>4564608
because it doesnt matter

>> No.4574932

>>4574926
He lied about it though. He didn't withhold information, he provided false information.

>> No.4575019

>>4574926
It does matter when emulators make it so easy to cheat and he's already made it clear that he's willing to be dishonest.

>> No.4576021
File: 18 KB, 500x388, vS9XjX5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4576021

WR speedrun/score community is weird.On one hand they can be anal af about what version of games and revision of HW you're running but on the other hand it seems submitting false records just requires an afternoons work.

Not sure why bother with fakes though, it's not like you'll get yolo swag money or get burried in pussy for holding a record.

>> No.4576159

>>4576021
>On one hand they can be anal af about what version of games and revision of HW you're running but on the other hand it seems submitting false records just requires an afternoons work.
What does the former have to do with the latter?

>> No.4576219

>>4576021
>it's not like you'll get yolo swag money or get burried in pussy for holding a record
That's what TG and Billy boy were all about. They tried to make themselves into celebrities for playing muh vidya.

>> No.4577830

>>4562620
I hope he doesn't get fired from Footlocker

>> No.4577831

>>4562638
or anyone who wears the American flag

>> No.4577845

>>4565284
Billy Mitchel Killscreen when?

>> No.4577850

>>4568834
you're just not taking into account the Human Element

>> No.4577861

>>4576159
Are you retarded? His point was that the community gets autistic about governing how people do their speedruns yet can’t be assed to look into whether someone was full of shit for decades like, say, some asshole that holds a ton of scores that are 10x the runner ups’ best efforts.

>> No.4578386 [DELETED] 

>>4577861
>His point was that the community gets autistic about governing how people do their speedruns
Can you provide an example of this? I'm not even sure what you could be referring to. In the majority of speedrunning communities, any official version of any is permitted for competition. And even if there are restrictions, creating a base for fair play is not the equivalent to creating an investigation into potential cheaters.

Also, the latter isn't even true lmao. Both Mitchell and Rogers have been accused of cheating for years. Speedrun.com has literally never allowed Rogers time on their Dragster board. It was a Twin Galaxies issue, and TG isn't the "speedrunning community".

>> No.4578402

>>4577861
>His point was that the community gets autistic about governing how people do their speedruns
Can you provide an example of this? I'm not even sure what you could be referring to. In the majority of speedrunning communities, any official version of any game is permitted for competition. And even if there are restrictions, creating a base for fair play is not the equivalent to creating an investigation into potential cheaters.

>yet can’t be assed to look into whether someone was full of shit for decades
This isn't true. Every case in which a cheater has been caught has been within a few years of submission at worst. Rogers is the sole exception, namely because there was no actual speedrunning community in 1983, and Activision believed his bullshit. Activision isn't the speedrunning community.

Moreover, Rogers HAS been suspected of cheating for well over a decade now. You can blame Twin Galaxies for not doing anything about it. Speedrun.com has literally never allowed his time on their Dragster board.

>> No.4578426

>>4576021
>>4577861
that's like saying "why put snow tires on your car if it's not even 4 wheel drive lmao".

not being autistic about investigation doesn't require them to also not be autistic about bare minimum standards.

>> No.4578492

>>4576021
pretty much shit like this is why i'll never take any pro gaming community seriously.

>>4578402
there are a few videos out there of people cheating speedruns to pretty much show how easy it is to do and they haven't been caught last time i checked.

>> No.4578501

>>4578492
>there are a few videos out there of people cheating speedruns to pretty much show how easy it is to do and they haven't been caught last time i checked.
Why would you make a claim like this and not provide even one example?

Moreover, are you illiterate? The post you responded literally says "Every case in which a cheater has been caught" and then you proceed to provide (hypothetical) examples where they (maybe) haven't been caught.

>> No.4580601

Just finished reading the entire Billy Mitchell TG dispute thread. Pretty good, but still needs more Billy supporters if it is to reach the epic levels of the Toddzilla Dragster dispute thread

>> No.4580903

>>4580601
link

>> No.4580952

So are Billy Mitchell's scores 100% proven to be MAME? Is this evidence backed up and without any counter argument or does Billy Mitchell have any comeback.

>> No.4580959

>>4580903

http://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800

>> No.4581942

>>4580952
Yes, it's conclusive. Even Billy admits they're MAME. Now he's claiming that he sent the wrong tapes.

>> No.4582330
File: 16 KB, 600x386, Billy-Mitchell-Retains-King-of-Kong-Title.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4582330

Really depressed about this. Billy was the arcade elder we all looked up to, a man against the evils of credit feeding, a man who prided himself on not only high 1CC scores, but high ONE MAN scores (e.g. when people would ask Billy: "wow, are you still on your first quarter?" Billy would say, "I'm on my first man."), a man who became something of an arcade ambassador.

Now word is out that his runs had an unusually high number of barrel and flame smashes, which can only be accomplished by restarting the level over and over until the RNG is in your favor. To do this, you would use save states and then stich together footage of your highest scoring sequences to make it look like one continuous play. So Billy fuckin' Mitchell used save states. That's worse than credit feeding!

Billy let the arcade community down, he let his legacy down, and most importantly, he let America down. All these heroes, nothing but feet of clay.

>> No.4582351

>>4582330
grow a pair

>> No.4582373

>>4582330
I always got a creepy vibe from him.

>> No.4582420

>>4582373
This. If anyone could not tell this guy was a scumbag from the very first sight of him, they were blind. Long faggy hair, american flag tie. Give me a break. Also being a video game champ is nothing really to be proud of. Maybe at age 12, but sure as hell not at 35 or 40 or whatever his age is now.

>> No.4582458

>>4582420
Being an eSports champ in a popular game is something you can reasonably be proud of, because it makes you money and thousands of people enjoy watching you play. But basing an identity around something as obscure as having the Donkey Kong high score is pretty weird.

>> No.4582468

>>4582420
>Maybe at age 12, but sure as hell not at 35 or 40 or whatever his age is now.
Exactly, that's probably how he got fucked up in the first place. Realizing that you reached the peak of your fame long ago has got to be absolutely brutal for a narcissist.

>> No.4582916

Billy Mitchell's such a little bitch

>> No.4584264

I hope you stocked up on hot sauce.

>> No.4584315 [DELETED] 

>>4562640
>>4562640
There is hate towards him because he is a trump supporter. https://retrobitch.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/sauce-white-nationalism-in-a-bottle/

>> No.4584362 [DELETED] 
File: 172 KB, 575x443, kjkljkl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4584362

>>4562626

The East Side Dave Show Billy Mitchell Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLxh9Yi5Dc

>> No.4584363

>>4584315
Yes, his cheating has nothing at all to do with it.

>> No.4584826

>>4577861
>yet can’t be assed to look into whether someone was full of shit for decades like, say, some asshole that holds a ton of scores that are 10x the runner ups’ best efforts
Some people were very aware of Todd Roger's cheating and Billy Mitchell has also been considered a cheater by many since the silent King of Kong tape.
The problem was that Twin Galaxies was completely corrupt and people who brought up these points were bullied out of the community and nothing ever happened to TG's treasured celebrities.
TG has since been sold and the new owner doesn't care to protect them, which is why it makes such waves now.

And TG has nothing to with the speedrunning community.

>> No.4584832

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLxh9Yi5Dc

>> No.4584952

>>4584826
>TG has since been sold and the new owner doesn't care to protect them, which is why it makes such waves now.
Nah, he gave lip service to impartiality, but tried his absolute hardest to protect Todd Rogers all through the investigation, despite the mountains of evidence. He only finally gave in when another TG ref spoke out, leaving him all alone.

>> No.4585323
File: 477 KB, 2048x1536, DSUETKCWkAIW9wL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4585323

>>4562658
>>4563912
>>4564540
It's a 10-foot cabinet used in a parade.

>> No.4585350

>10 years since King of Kong and people still believe the bullshit Hollywood narrative about Based Billy Mitchell
Documentaries are a fucking cancer.

>> No.4585352

>>4565025
Underrated post.

>> No.4585956

>>4585323
This faggot made a carreer about lying over videogame scores. What a shithead.

>> No.4585993

>>4585956
No he didn't. He made a career out of owning a restaurant chain. Video games are just what he's famous for.

>> No.4588012

>>4573974
Ya know, America loves edginess.

>> No.4588225
File: 47 KB, 470x264, lying sack of shit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4588225

>>4585993
BUY MY FUCKING HOTSAUCE.

>> No.4588464

>>4562614
this guy has had the same goofy ass look since he was a teenager, he would be so much better if he got a haircut

>> No.4588691

>>4562837
>YouTubers and shit
>good at video games

Watching most of them play is like handing the controller to my 8 year old cousin.
Sure she's "playing video games," much in the same way the speedy swerving she'd do in a car is "driving."

>> No.4589736

>>4582420
t. guy with no records lmao

>> No.4589949

>>4589736
>t. guy with revoked records

>> No.4589992

>>4582420
he's 52.

>> No.4591117

>>4562614
Just got done watching Man VS. Snake. Is Tim McVey the nicest guy in video gaming? He seems like a dude I could hang out with.

>> No.4591148

>>4564350
>former drug addict
>later builds a successful and worldwide known arcade, and uses it to create moderate fame and success for the rest of his life
I fail to see where him being a former drug addict tarnishes his successes

>> No.4591247

>>4591148
>former drug addict
>Same meme have been used by evangelics
We are all former addicts

>> No.4592592

>>4565993
Fuck off pedo scum. All convicted child rapists should be castrated and killed publicly

>> No.4593839

I don't know the story but I trust him soley because he looks like a happy, polite person and is handsome.

>> No.4593848

>>4592592
You have to be over 18 to use this site.

>> No.4593972

Are all Gen X speedrunners/high scorers cheaters?

>> No.4593981

>>4582330
He created a scam in order to get money. This doesn't mean that he spends all his time save-state scumming and credit feeding.

It would be like if a Star Craft pro was found to be spying on his oppoenent's screen during a big game. It wouldn't suddenly mean that every game he ever played he cheated in.

It's dishonorable sure but it doesn't shame the rest of his career.

>> No.4594032

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=234Y76_3YPE

This video sums it all up real nicely. Billy BTFO, Billy fans BTFO.

>> No.4594145
File: 715 KB, 1024x436, Bigbang-1024x436.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4594145

https://www.scholarlygamers.com/feature/2018/02/07/king-wrong-deconstructing-billy-mitchell/

The rabbit hole goes much deeper

>> No.4594146

>>4593981
>but it doesn't shame the rest of his career
Yes it does. Fuck off, stop defending the scumbag.

>> No.4594162

>>4582330
Ha ha wat

To me, the great thing about him was that people got so mad at a guy just for being good at Pac-man and acting sorta douchey even though he wasn't really a bad guy or anything. So it's pretty disappointing to see that he actually *is* a bad guy. Oh well. For a guy so hung up on his own name and image, it has to sting bad to get exposed like this.

>> No.4594174

>>4594145
>It’s amazing to me, frankly, how fast I went from being loved to hated by many in the Twin Galaxies community both inside and out as I began to ask questions about Mitchell. It’s interesting how events that booked me to appear before they booked him suddenly cancelled on me after they signed him to appear. It’s interesting how friends of his suddenly started to accuse me of things while I was on the Twin Galaxies staff and how many others spread out said rumors with zero evidence (because there is none).

Twin Galaxies was a giant support group for this giant shithead's bloated ego and status as a "celebrity" videogame player.

>> No.4594194

>>4594032
Like clockwork, Apollo Legend makes a video several months late to cash in on the investigation done by others about Billy Mitchell.

>> No.4594196

>>4594194
Welcome to being a retard, exhibit: You.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdvFSQFZfK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-H4sEHB54

>> No.4594201

>>4594196
Thanks for posting more of the videos that prove what I said.

>> No.4594207

>>4594201
>wahh wahh he's just stealing other people's content even though he did his own research
>wahh wahh i love irrational hatred against anyone with a youtube channel and a viewer count higher than single digits

Fuck off, you goddamn baby.

>> No.4594208

>>4585350
>based

Sounds like the documentary was 100% accurate

>> No.4594210

>>4594207
>even though he did his own research
kek

>> No.4594358

Hey guys, killscreen coming up.

>> No.4594468

>>4593848
kill yourself pedo I agree with him and im on the 10th aniversary of being 18

>> No.4594504

his hair looks so weird. it moves so unnaturally

>> No.4594713

IIRC he does still have some good scores that are legit. He hasn't been #1 in years, either.

>> No.4594817

>>4594713
>he does still have some good scores that are legit

all 3 of his 1,000,000 + games are fake. I'd question any "record" he has obtained over the years.

>> No.4594904

>>4594713
Any score that was "verified" by one of the scumbag pedo refs or one of his buddies should be assumed fake/cheated.

>> No.4595069

>>4594162
Just because your'e a bad guy, doesn't mean that your'e a "bad guy"

>> No.4595686
File: 50 KB, 384x530, eUAkfHd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4595686

>> No.4595692

>>4595686
Sure.

>> No.4595701
File: 184 KB, 1024x687, billy-mitchell-and-walter-day.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4595701

>>4595692

>> No.4595896

>To get over a million on DK with a 2004 version of MAME and all the lag

Bullshit. MAME in 2004 for older games like DK had negligible amounts of LAG unless he was running that shit on a 386.

>> No.4595925

>>4595686
>took down your post because you disagree with it
Wow, he's probably the sweetest looking asshole I've ever seen.

>> No.4595928

>>4576021
>it's not like you'll get yolo swag money or get burried in pussy for holding a record.
This does not describe Billy's situation.

>> No.4595956

>>4562630
TOP
KEK

anybody that has played dk knows billy is a fraud. it's like nobody bothered to watch the movie king of kong and totally forgot about how he submitted a shitty and edited VHS tape of his 'score'.

another cheating genius from that shitfest of game records is todd rogers. check out the video in link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-H4sEHB54

one problem with this: david craine stepped in to say todd wasn't a cheat but didn't 'doubt' his records. no proof at all but hey.. seems to be enough for those idiots at TG.

http://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_details.php/87/dragster-designer-without-a-shadow-of-a-doubt-about-todd-rogers-record/1

>> No.4595973

>>4594162
And then it turns out he really wasn't even that good at Pac-Mac.

>> No.4595984

So the way todd's record was proven was by a polaroid sent to activision?

>> No.4596007

>>4595984
originally, yes. and nobody kept any of them. so there is no independent record of the scores.

>> No.4596012

>>4562614
>>4562626
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=234Y76_3YPE

here you go.

>> No.4596017

wtf is wrong with 80's arcade game players? They all seem totally fucked in the head from watching king of kong. You don't see the high score keepers of daytona or virtua fighter acting like that.

>> No.4596018

>>4596007
From what I know polaroids are (or were) the only kind of pictures admissible in court.

But maybe the activision guys liked how he looked and said he could be mr. activision if they made them his mrs activision

>> No.4596021

>>4596018
>But maybe the activision guys liked how he looked and said he could be mr. activision if they made them his mrs activision

ugh. that would not surprise me at all.

>> No.4596385

>>4595686

fake

>> No.4596471

>>4595686
Thread's still up, this is fake news.

>> No.4596474

>>4596017
All these douchenozzles from back then coalesed into a giant ball of shit called Twin Galaxies.

>> No.4596624

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG-JiWPhkyc

>> No.4596631

>>4596471

confirmed real

>> No.4596643

Let's face it, most of these 80s arcade games are shit, at least after playing for a long time. They're not deep, they're not fun at that level, they're just about one person wanting to be better than the other guy so he can stroke his vidya-peens. That's the reason you have 45+ year olds competitive at them... because no younger people in their right minds would bother.

You could create a game of throwing bits of mud around, and after a while it might get kind of interesting. It doesn't make it a good or worthwhile game.

>> No.4597794

Which one of you niggers posted this on /tv/

>> No.4597807

>>4564729
This says Steve Weibe was in on it?
How?
He's played live tons of fucking times.

>> No.4597812

>>4597807
Watch it dumbass.

>> No.4597821

>>4597812
>Watch it dumbass.
Not him/her/them, but keep it civil, anon. Nobody likes a bitter grump.

>> No.4597824

>>4597812
>>4597821
I just don't get it.

How are two people who got world records in front of crowds "fake" because they were in a fakeish documentary?

>> No.4597834
File: 19 KB, 300x298, Billy Mitchell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4597834

>>4597824
>How are two people who got world records in front of crowds "fake" because they were in a fakeish documentary?
Controversy right now is whether Billy used a MAME emulator to set his Donkey Kong score. And if he did, that means Billy could have cheated with save states and a doctored film of the footage.

Billy is an amazing gamer who doesn't need to cheat, but it's possible he was so desperate to keep his Donkey Kong high-score that he resulted to such tactics. Akin to Barry Bonds taking steroids--he was already a fantastic ballplayer before hand.

>> No.4597846 [DELETED] 

>>4597834
The most convincing cheaters are people who are good at what they do anyway. Most speedrunners, etc. who are caught cheating are well respected members of the community who are clearly very good at the game.

>> No.4597848

>>4597834
The most convincing cheaters are people who are good at what they do anyway. Most speedrunners, etc. who are caught cheating are well respected members of the community and are clearly very good at their games. You can't splice a run if you play like shit. You still have to play well to record parts that you can splice together.

>> No.4597853

>>4597848
Uh...no you don't? It's relatively easy to fake something that looks awesome, that's basically the whole principle of the TAS scene.

>> No.4597856

There are people ITT who are actually defending this attention whoring publicity douche as if he were some kind of Übermensch of retro gaming. I'll never understand the cult of personality that surrounds these individuals. It's right up there with those faggots who are constantly whiteknighting Ted Woolsey.

Put down the Kool-Aid already.

>> No.4597860

>>4597853
>Uh...no you don't?
Yes you do. For example, there's no way a bad SM64 runner splice together good movement. The game just doesn't work that way.

If the core gameplay in your game from a bad player looks the same as core gameplay from a good player, your game is shallow as shit.

>> No.4597868

>>4597853
>It's relatively easy to fake something that looks awesome, that's basically the whole principle of the TAS scene.
TASes are hard to make, and it's even harder to make them look like a human. The game has to be incredibly simple (ie. no visible markers to tell if it's a human player) for that to work out convincingly.

>> No.4597973

>>4597860
>core gameplay
Where do you people keep coming from?

>> No.4598001

>>4597868
>it's even harder to make them look like a human

This is an issue in the DK dispute but it hasn't really been touched upon. There are distinct patterns of movement in Billy's footage that are very unnatural and extremely risky to the point where people better at the game are immediately calling bullshit on it, and there are anecdotes recounting whenever he's played in person he has employed a more typical safe style.

It's not enough on its own to prove or disprove anything because it's still technically possible however astronomically unlikely to achieve a high score with ordinary or even terrible mechanics.

It probably still happens but you used get this on YouTube all the time. "X game, new WR, here's a TAS I made that I'm passing off as the real thing and you can't ever prove definitively that it's not the real thing".

Except with the DK thing they kind of are.

>> No.4598036

>>4597834
>doesn't need to cheat, but it's possible he was so desperate to keep his Donkey Kong high-score that he resulted to such tactics
you fucking retard

>> No.4598054

>>4597834
I thought billy's true passion was his hot sauce?

>> No.4598110

>>4596643
>Let's face it, most of these 80s arcade games are shit,

Wrong. They have nearly limitless/limitless replay value, and are deep in the sense that there's countless strategies you can employ to post a high score, so gameplay is dynamic (i.e., there's no off-the-shelf "rote" strategy that is always optimal. One player's high score run might look totally different from another player's).

There was a time when it was thought 1 million on Donkey Kong was impossible, yet the game's dynamism allowed for new high score territory to be explored, something Miyamoto and the game designers probably didn't even anticipate.

These style of games (they obviously still make modern games in the "80s Arcade Mold") are also unequaled in the rush and tension you feel when you're on a good run. The only other genre of games comparable in that regard are Shmups.

>> No.4598121

>>4563193
That's a pretty big character flaw though.

>> No.4598174

>>4597834
There's also footage of him "playing" DK from a cabinet that didnt even have a DK board in it. It had a DK Jr board in it the whole time but they acted like they swapped them out when all they did was take a DK Jr board out, swing the camera away from the guy doing the swap to look at Billy, then pan over again to see the guy putting the exact same DK Jr board back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_5cuc-ayP0

The boards are distinct. Theres no way to confuse the two

>> No.4598356 [DELETED] 

>>4598110
>random glitching and hacky exploits are game dynamism

lol.

>> No.4598359

>>4598110
>random glitching and hacky exploits are "game dynamism".

lol.

>> No.4598460

>>4597973
>not knowing what core gameplay means
so you're retarded then?

>> No.4598465

>>4598110
>are also unequaled in the rush and tension you feel when you're on a good run
Generally you're right, but I disagree with this. Watch any world record speedrunner with a heartrate monitor and take note of how high it gets when they're on pace.

>> No.4598468

>>4598359
That's like saying bunnyhopping in Quake doesn't make the game more dynamic. Of course it does.

>> No.4598469
File: 20 KB, 437x337, images (11).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4598469

>>4582330
Billy needs to go full heel turn and become Hollywood Billy Mitchell

>> No.4598514

nobody would dispute their scores if they were strong gaming womyn of color instead of being a white male

>> No.4598515

>>4598468
One glitch out of thousands that actually worked out well by total look. Just take a look at how a popular snes game is speedrun these days to see how "fun" glitches are, the game becomes something totally different. Being entertained by something a computer accidentally shits out is not something to take pride in.

>> No.4598517

>>4598110
this is all true for games other than donkey kong and pacman

these games require autism not skill

>> No.4598527 [DELETED] 

luck*

>> No.4598532

>>4598515
>Just take a look at how a popular snes game is speedrun these days to see how "fun" glitches are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvhx677ngRM

I'm not sure what your point is. Glitchy tech is what makes speedruns and score runs more interesting. DK included.

Sure you can cherrypick credits warp glitches that make games trivial, but noone takes those categories seriously, not even speedrunners.

>> No.4598567

>>4598517
It's ok to know nothing about this subject, but you should probably go ahead and stop talking

>>4597856
Well, he apparently still is extremely good without cheating, although at this point I wish he wasn't, fuck him seriously

>> No.4598593

>>4598515
>all humans are the same

>> No.4598597

>>4598593
?

>> No.4598607

>>4595984
And it was reportedly smudged on the part showing his score

>> No.4598640

>>4598532
Game design and vision make a game worth playing. Not random things gone wrong. Sometimes game design makes it all the way into interesting speedrunning, but it just breaks many games, particularly old ones like DK.

>> No.4598680
File: 2.34 MB, 490x360, Breathtaking View from Bridge 13.81-13.80 IGT.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4598680

>>4598640
No, glitches and tech make games far more interesting to play and give them far more longevity, especially in single player games.

There are no interesting speedruns that don't use glitches.

>> No.4598685

>>4598680
Jesus christ shut the fuck up. I'm going to take back my original claims, I'll take back EVERYTHING ok? But you cannot claim they make them more interesting or that "there are no interesting speedruns that don't use glitches", because that is so fucking dumb. I know of speedruns that don't use glitches, Mario Kart time trials that don't use glitches. Just take that back, that is a RIDICULOUS thing to say. NOONE would say that. And piss off with your webm, I don't care.

>> No.4598693

>>4598685
* btw, I'm only taking them back as a compromise to stop you from your diarrhea garbage saying glitches make them more interesting or there are no interesting ones that don't use glitches.

>> No.4598694
File: 2.11 MB, 720x480, rainbowroadfzx.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4598694

>>4598685
>But you cannot claim they make them more interesting or that "there are no interesting speedruns that don't use glitches"
They do, that's pretty much a universally accepted fact among speedrunners. The only people who disagree are people who don't actually speedrun, thus they have no idea about the level of skill and understanding required to pull it all off.
>"there are no interesting speedruns that don't use glitches"
Fair enough, there are exceptions to every rule.

>> No.4598702

>>4598685
>Mario Kart time trials
>interesting
kek

>> No.4598705

speedrunning is for fags

>> No.4598718

>>4598694
>They do, that's pretty much a universally accepted fact among speedrunners. The only people who disagree are people who don't actually speedrun, thus they have no idea about the level of skill and understanding required to pull it all off.

I know that if a genuinely hard glitch comes up a lot of speedrunners quick instantly. Nice way to pull rank on me though.

When it comes to talking about speedrunning, being an actual speedrunner gives you less credibility.

>> No.4598719 [DELETED] 

>>4598718
>I know that if a genuinely hard glitch comes up a lot of speedrunners quick instantly.
No, you don't know that.

>> No.4598720 [DELETED] 

>>4598694
>They do, that's pretty much a universally accepted fact among speedrunners. The only people who disagree are people who don't actually speedrun, thus they have no idea about the level of skill and understanding required to pull it all off.

I know that if a genuinely hard glitch comes up a lot of speedrunners quit instantly. Nice way to try pulling rank on me though.

When it comes to talking about speedrunning, being an actual speedrunner gives you less credibility.

>> No.4598721

>>4598718
>When it comes to talking about speedrunning, being an actual speedrunner gives you less credibility.
No, this isn't the case. I know now that I'm arguing with a mindbogglingly stupid person, though.

>> No.4599148

>>4598465
>they're on pace

my insane pace

>> No.4599853

https://youtu.be/v3lltxquS2Q

>> No.4599897

>>4598705
so is sucking dicks but that never stopped you

>> No.4599907
File: 6 KB, 365x301, 327.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4599907

>>4599897

don't take the bait

>> No.4600237

>>4598718
>When it comes to talking about speedrunning, being an actual speedrunner gives you less credibility.
This is accurate. It's like listening to what a pedophile has to say about child molestation. Why haven't you guys bullied the Mario 64 speedrun guy(s) off the board yet? He never contributes anything but pure stupidity and fanboyism, and it's seldom (as in this case) even on-topic.

>> No.4600246

>>4600237
It takes talent to be this stupid.

>> No.4602298

>>4562836
>http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=2055
This nigger could probably be the FBI's lead analyst and instead he's just BTFOing Billy Mitchell

>> No.4602382

>>4600237
Because all the jibber jabber about half presses is fucking hysterical.

>> No.4602713
File: 99 KB, 960x480, 55b13b872acae719008b95ca-960-480.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4602713

Why are people just now talking about billy mitchell cheating?
Adam Sandler exposed him in 2015

>> No.4604391 [DELETED] 
File: 18 KB, 299x285, Billy-Mitchell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4604391

>always the guy
>never credit fed
>goes home to a buxom trophy wife every day
>too busy cooking hot sauce to play babby games
>first to conquer pac-man
>undisputed champion for 20 years
>bullied beta Wiebe into submission
>upsets the autistic internet by using MAME

Has there ever been a more deserving /ourguy/ in /vr/ history?

>> No.4604425 [DELETED] 

>>4604391

You're trying too hard.

>> No.4604590 [DELETED] 

>>4604425
Found another member of the llc

>> No.4606135 [DELETED] 

>>4604391
https://youtu.be/uHeMUSo4SDg

>> No.4606553 [DELETED] 

>>4606135
AUTISM

>> No.4606579 [DELETED] 

>>4604590
>>4606553
>DURR AUTISM
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP
>>>/b/
>>>/v/

>> No.4606592 [DELETED] 

>>4606579
No u

>> No.4608459 [DELETED] 

Billy Mitchell cucked the /vr/gins good.

>> No.4608529

>>4598705
Getting a high score isn't speedrunning.

>> No.4608569 [DELETED] 

>goes to india for special herb healing massages and other hippie healing shit
>gets sick on the flight home
he fell for the poo in loo

>> No.4608581

>>4608529
Still, he isn't wrong.

>> No.4608716

>>4562658
Billy Mitchell is 5'11, and the cabinet is 6'.

>> No.4608798
File: 77 KB, 720x540, Steve Krogman and Heather Corcoran (Ron's Daughter).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4608798

Reminder that these guys are real life pedophiles

>It was Corcoran's own daughter. And it went on for a very long time. Corcoran is not the only sex offender who has been a Ref at Twin Galaxies, either. There have been well known competitors who have done significant time for sex offences, too. More than I can list here. Shocking but true.

>1988: Ned Troide, Twin Galaxies competitor featured in the "famous" Time Life Photo, helped abduct, beat and gang rape a 24-year old woman, then tied a weight around her neck and threw her body off a bridge over a bay, thinking she'd die. She lived and put him behind bars.

>2002: Steven Krogman, friend of Corcoran's, served a lengthy sentence in prison for sexually assaulting a minor female beginning when she was 12-years old and possession of child pornography. That didn't bother Twin Galaxies' Walter Day and Billy Mitchell, though. They allowed him to be filmed from prison for his part in 2007's "The King of Kong". They were still giving him public awards at events until a couple years ago. Twin Galaxies finally kicked him off their forum a year ago, but only after significant public backlash.

>2007: Another Twin Galaxies centered documentary, "Chasing Ghosts", found Berzerk champion, Ron Bailey, being arrested in 2007 for several charges of sexual molestation on several grade school age boys who claim he assaulted them when he was their coach. Bailey is serving what constitutes a life sentence in prison. That's how bad this case was.

>2009: Lonnie Cancionne, friend of Corcoran's (see the connection yet?) was arrested for chasing naked after women in public and masturbating. Served time.

>> No.4608803
File: 90 KB, 768x512, 1517704099979.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4608803

>>4608798
Corcoran was raping his own daughter, and his friends were probably in on it too.

Here's a totally innocent photo of Ron Corcoran bringing his adolescent daughter on a weekend long trip to Vegas with all his middle aged buddies! Totally normal. Nothing going on here. Nope.

>> No.4608806
File: 59 KB, 640x480, thewinnersbig.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4608806

>>4608803
I wonder what these men won.

>> No.4608815
File: 53 KB, 539x636, goodbyes2big.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4608815

>>4608806
Billy Mitchell with his friend the convicted pedophile and the pedophile's poor victim.

>> No.4608818
File: 70 KB, 720x540, goodbyes3big.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4608818

>>4608815
Here's another questionable image of the victim and a friend of Ron Corcoran.

>> No.4608819

>>4563207
>Dumbass never gets good and believes old arcade games are "frustrating quarter-munchers"
you completely missed the part where there is literally no profit in a game designed to be beaten in 1 credit from a manufacturer perspective.

I'll give you that nobody in their right mind would spend $50+ on a single session but acting like credit feeding wasn't the norm is just straight up ignorant

>> No.4608825

>>4608806
>>4608803
>>4608798
>>4608818
>>4608815

are they, dare I say, /ourguys/

>> No.4608838

they've got the tape

>> No.4608872

>>4608838
of Ron's daughter? I'm sure they have a lot of tapes.

>> No.4608876
File: 69 KB, 500x517, 1507686921929.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4608876

>>4608716

>> No.4609079

>>4598469
Why did I laugh so hard at this post? I think it's time for bed...

>> No.4609294

How buthurt will you all be when Billy is exonerated?

>> No.4609305
File: 505 KB, 1280x720, [HorribleSubs] Yuru Camp - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_08.41_[2018.01.19_09.32.12].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4609305

>>4609294
>buthurt

>> No.4609397

There's still zero evidence Mitchell cheated. Using an emulator isn't the same thing as faking scores.

>> No.4609403

>>4594194
>>4594210
You realize he credits all of his sources accordingly right? Also how does research not count if the info is gotten from another source? God /vr/ is such a joke.

>> No.4609406

>>4609397
[citation needed]

>> No.4609445

>>4562884

The movie king of kong is fake in it's entirety. The makers faked stuff to create more drama.

>> No.4609568

>>4609397
If he used an emulator he is a confirmed liar, and he's still denying it. You're really going to trust him with the master key to all the world records? Using MAME makes the Twin Galaxies page like editing Wikipedia to him.

That's even apart from the fact that MAME is significantly different from the real games and shouldn't count anyway.

>> No.4609659

Well this thread took a fucked up turn

>> No.4609695

Reminder /vr/'s primary posting population is a bunch of talentless, borderline retarded, tech illiterate, middle aged hacks, which is why every discussion of this sort is hilarious on this board.

A bunch of people that have never attempted either a score run or speed run, discussing using points based off shit they've heard from people who, in actual communities based around these two goals, are complete jokes.

It's hilarious when people talk about exposing Twin Galaxies, or certain people being exposed as frauds, when anyone relevant has known this shit for decades.

Secondaries should off themselves.

>> No.4609706

twin galaxies is the real bullshit. Billy is just a pawn.

>> No.4609714

>>4609445
well, apparently it wasn't 'fake' enough, because they didn't expose him as the low life cheater that he is

>> No.4609715

>>4608806
>>4608815
>>4608818
She's p cute.

>> No.4609720

>>4609695
hi billy how many people did your hot sauce kill today

>> No.4609792

>>4609568
Watch the interviews. Billy says he was playing on a reproduction arcade cabinet that had a computer running MAME inside it when he set the record. He didn't know this at the time, which is why he accidentally submitted the score as if it had been played on an authentic arcade board.

>> No.4609921

>>4609792
>I "Accidentally" used a MAMEcab

That's about as belivable as anything else the lying liar has said.

>> No.4610195
File: 6 KB, 200x200, 5d2261ac9a727586d120c145b7f1cca5c21d7963_00.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4610195

>>4609406
You have to prove he did something like use save states. I don't have to prove a negative.

>>4609568
How could he save state when he didn't know he was using MAME? It's not different from the "actual game" at all like you claim except for transitions.

>> No.4610220

>22 days later the debate continues
Christ this board back to /v/ for me

>> No.4610445
File: 54 KB, 257x320, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4610445

>>4608825
>>4609715
Excuse me for a moment...

>> No.4610921

>>4610220
don't come back ya here

>> No.4611070

>>4608798
>2009: Lonnie Cancionne, friend of Corcoran's (see the connection yet?) was arrested for chasing naked after women in public and masturbating.
well, I'm not going to pass judgment on this without knowing the context

>> No.4611078

>>4610195
Statistical analysis so far has shown its most likely he save stated going by the high number of perfect rng setups.

>> No.4611083

>>4611070
I imagine there could perfectly reasonable circumstances for such a situation. Certainly.

>> No.4611093

>>4610220
Almost as if this is a slow moving board where the average thread lasts way longer than a board like /v/ or something. Crazy.

>> No.4611280

>>4611078
Someone is probably pulling the code apart to find out for sure.
I think Wes Copeland says his rng luck was to high

>> No.4611329

>>4611280
Yeah here's the tweet about that. https://twitter.com/wescopeland_/status/959533103457894400

>> No.4611437

>>4574168
Also prevents malicious ads, subscription popups, GPU miners, or any region locks or paywall on the article. It's just the article in plain HTML+CSS like an eReader. Not a mess of scripts that will maybe fetch it from a CDN if you're lucky.

>> No.4611441

>>4610195
>How could he save state when he didn't know he was using MAME? It's not different from the "actual game" at all like you claim except for transitions.

I don't know man. I was trying to get more information and one of the few people trying to have skepticism at the beginning of this but either a lot of individuals are really mentally unstable and fake news (eg. dramaalert lol) or it is pretty much confirmed. Everything I read, page after page, says he cheated, apart from... well you.

I'm going to flat out make a totally "biased"/prejudicial remark also - Billy Mitchell looks and sounds like a cheater. I bet he made it so like something that was a 1/1000 chance happened to occur with him, it would totally fit with his character.

>> No.4611450

>>4608803
It's pretty creepy how she's the only one frowning

>> No.4611496

>>4611450
That is the "Every one of these men are going to turn me into an underage blow-up doll later tonight" look.

>> No.4611563

>>4610220

it's almost like it's an ongoing story

>> No.4611665

>>4598680
>No, glitches and tech makes games far more interesting to play
Tech, yes; glitches, no

>> No.4611736

>>4598680
>There are no interesting speedruns

FTFY

>> No.4611941

>>4598110


>They have nearly limitless/limitless replay value, and are deep in the sense that there's countless strategies you can employ to post a high score, so gameplay is dynamic

https://www.scribd.com/document/273249442/Scoring-essay-pdf

You need to read this. Right now.

>> No.4611980

>>4562614
>to live long enough to see yourself become the villain

>> No.4612582

>>4611941
Tldr

>> No.4612953

>>4563904
It was fucking proven by looking at the actual game code for dragster that a 5.51 is literally impossible. Hes a liar

>> No.4613570

>>4611329
Thank you, sir. I didn t know there was a chart.

>> No.4613601

So was he still first to beat pac man?

>> No.4613607

>>4613601
No, that was Bill Bastable in 1988, 11 years before Billy Mitchell.

>> No.4613620
File: 159 KB, 1080x1226, IMG_20180226_112109.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4613620

>>4612953
True
https://youtu.be/qfXwSYzEjcE

>> No.4613623

>>4612953
what a stupid game to be proud of
Pacman and Donkey Kong at least have some strategy

>> No.4613882

>>4594194
He did actually meet with Billy recently and needless to say, he got his shit pushed back in hard.
https://twitter.com/apollo_legend_

>> No.4613898

>>4598685
The dragon quest RNG manipulation run is fascinating. No glitches there.

>> No.4613905

>>4611496
Bet you get excited at that thought.

>> No.4614349

>>4585993
And these days, SodaPoppin on twitch and Logan Paul on youtube made millions off of being childish assholes. I think I prefer the conmen of yore, personally.

>> No.4614353
File: 132 KB, 1024x645, miami splice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4614353

loooooooooooooool

>> No.4614356
File: 53 KB, 600x667, the splice is right.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4614356

>> No.4614360 [DELETED] 

>>4562614
MODS
DELETE THIS THREAD Please!

>> No.4614368

>>4614360
>t. billy bitchell

>> No.4614386 [DELETED] 

>>4614368
>>t.billy bitchell
What!?
No, I am not him at all. I know he didn't actually 1cc every arcade game he played. Also, at least a 3rd of the current mods need to be FIRED from their positions for being utter shitass fagtrons. Oh, and come to think of it, e-celeb stuff should be allowed on /v/ and >>>/vg/ so long as the e-celeb of the thread is primarily about video games. And allow Ggate on >>>/vg/ so long as the OP is not overtly calling for anyone to be doxed.

>> No.4614409 [DELETED] 

>>4614386
shut the fuck up faggot

>> No.4614425

>>4614409
>shut the fuck up faggot
I refuse, ya cunt! Go and read my previous post in full, then come back.

>> No.4614998
File: 69 KB, 680x453, SEETHING.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4614998

>>4611078
>>4611280
>>4611329
>>4611441
None of this proves he cheated and you even admit bias. A low chance of something happening doesn't make it impossible without save-stating, it just means he got lucky which is guaranteed to happen sooner or later considering how often he plays the game.
Try again.

>> No.4615009
File: 12 KB, 342x342, 1eJ1q0V.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4615009

>>4611329
I just looked at this tweet again. He doesn't even have the best luck in multiple categories and his percentage is less than 3% higher than second place's. You idiots have no idea what you're talking about and are just rushing to point the finger at a gaming legend because some Youtubers told you fickle faggots to do it.

>> No.4615014

>>4615009
It's ironic how this board complains about "e-celebrities" in every thread yet suddenly they're putty in their hands. Keep up the good posts, Knuckles!

>> No.4615432

>>4615014
Wut

>> No.4615531

>>4614998
He doesn't even have close to the top score, he's not even in the top 10 anymore, you stupid autistic sanic faggot.
>>4615009
You don't even know how statistics work. Look at the % of actual score. And then kill yourself, dipshit.

>> No.4615548

can someone explain what possesses a person to put so much effort into faking a high score in a billion year old video game

>> No.4615557

>>4615548
Autism

>> No.4615616

>>4565920
Get outta here Carter.

>> No.4615651

>>4615548
Billy and Todd and others like them probably start doing this shit when they're kids or teens to impress their friends and whatnot. As they age and fail to do anything else of note in their lives, they cling to being the guy with the high score. The longer you keep a lie like this up, the more you feel like you have to maintain it at all costs, because it becomes more and more of an embarrassment if you get outed.

>> No.4615847

>>4615548
>>4615651
They were both literally career liars at that point.

>> No.4615917 [DELETED] 

>>4615009
>>4615014
>forgets to drop his name when he samefags
>thinks mitchell and rogers are "ecelebs"
You're just pretending to be retarded, right?

>> No.4615976
File: 128 KB, 700x277, Life-3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] [report]
4615976

>>4615548
>>4615651
Back in the early press of video game "professionals" they were just some kids who played a lot of video games at arcades and got attention for it because they were the only ones to take it that seriously.

There was an interesting incident though back in this time when Life magazine did a feature on these kids and for their profiles asked them to list their achievements. One of them actually made up a score (over 3 million in Joust or something) not really thinking about it and just to make themselves look impressive and I think this is the mindset behind many of Todd Rogers's scores.

Funnily enough it was Billy Mitchell himself who knew that this guy's Joust score was bullshit and challenged him, the guy of course fell way far off the impossible 3mil but Billy beat his score by a significant margin in front of everyone at the arcade.

>> No.4616036

>>4615976
Sounds like they had real talent but eventually learned that you can get more fame and money by mixing in some lies. Honestly if everyone else is fucking just making up numbers why wouldn't you? If you didn't no one would pay attention to you, they'd pay attention to some other liar.

>> No.4616043

>>4616036
This is an incredibly stupid post on many levels.

>> No.4616243

>>4565284
brian poo

>> No.4616314

>>4574168
That, and because sites edit articles later on, so once the view rate is up, it says something different. Or they just take it down in case their sponsor complains about it.

>> No.4616321

>>4591247
If you are posting on 4chan then there is nothing former about your addiction.

>> No.4617260

>>4598110
That's actually not true. Most of them have a fixed pattern and are thus games to be played by rote. There are more Pacmans than Ms. Pacmans in arcade gaming.

>> No.4618057

>>4562640
>Trolling as a Billy Mitchell fan

My God bro, your parents had hopes and dreams for you, you know? God, what a terrible little disappointment you must be.

Now, go start a thread about Kirby 64, or how the first Zelda is still the best, and please, try and up your troll game. For all of us babe.

>>
Name (leave empty)
Comment (leave empty)
Name
E-mail
Subject
Comment
Password [?]Password used for file deletion.
Captcha
Action