I wanted a CRT TV for retro gaming and found this GE 19" on local Craigslist for $10. Should I take it or not (not an expert on TVs).

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Anonymous Sun Jan 28 16:56:15 2018 No.4551246 [Reply] [Original]

I wanted a CRT TV for retro gaming and found this GE 19" on local Craigslist for $10. Should I take it or not (not an expert on TVs).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:04:49 2018 No.4551272 gonna need model specifics, also try posting this in the /crt/ thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:08:11 2018 No.4551281 >>4551246 Find one with components and svideo or don't bother. Composite is just shitty you might as well play on a emulator.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:11:35 2018 No.4551289 The GE label was Thomson's bottom-end brand in the 90s. Those things only have RF inputs IIRC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:22:46 2018 No.4551323 >>4551281 >Composite is just shitty is it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:25:30 2018 No.4551329 >>4551281 Composite is fine. Even desirable, potentially. Some games were designed with some of the composite effects in mind. But I imagine s-video is almost always a pure upgrade for 3D games on PS1 and N64. I still like the composite look though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:25:59 2018 No.4551331 I had that same exact TV. It is RF only and some autists here will be triggered by the curved screen. Also Thomson sets had a lot of issues with faulty solder joints.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:37:18 2018 No.4551369 >>4551329 SNES also outputs S-video.

>>	Knuckles Sun Jan 28 17:47:24 2018 No.4551394 >>4551331 You got that backwards, they get mad about flats

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:48:36 2018 No.4551395 If it's RF only then screw it. Thing's useless aside from Atari stuff because they only have RF output.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:50:29 2018 No.4551402 >>4551246 When it comes to novelty like CRTs you should really shoot for the moon. No reason to get anything other than top tier tubes.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:28:30 2018 No.4551509

>>4551402

If you can find them... I had a choice when I got mine, a Sanyo with component and audio out for free or a consumer grade trinitron for 250$. People think they’re sitting on gold mines nowadays just because somebody is interested in their junk.

The Sanyo works great btw, really nice image with component and svideo.

OP I reccomend trying to find something for free. What worked for me was posting an ISO ad on Facebook, there are tons of these sitting in peoples garage and they want them out of the way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:31:03 2018 No.4551516 >>4551509 >demand for CRTs goes up suddenly along with prices >companies realize this and start to produce new ones again >profit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:36:21 2018 No.4551530 >lyl this ancient-ass TV from 1992 that was sitting in my garage i'll sell it for $10 maybe someone will recycle it you can't get 1080p on the thing >autistic neckbeards offer $$$ and are all like "nonono here's $100 for that my NES Zapper needs CRT"

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Sun Jan 28 18:38:46 2018 No.4551540 What made you look at that TV? Where do you live that that seemed like the best option?

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:41:10 2018 No.4551548

>>4551509
Yeah the ship has mostly sailed especially with anything that has PVM in the name. I had good luck finding this 750 lined panasonic last year though. Ebay resellers still don't really know what they have unless it can be easily found on a crt faq so you can find lesser known good tubes for decent prices.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:49:55 2018 No.4551568 >>4551246 Oh if it's $10 & you want it get it. It looks like a smaller one & as long as it has an AV & an RF input get it. It's better than no CRT. Don't listen to all them saying "Composite is shit!" It's $10 & it's better than nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:50:56 2018 No.4551572 >>4551369 I know that, but some SNES games use some graphical effects which assume the presence of the effects of the composite cables, like Chrono Trigger

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:07:31 2018 No.4551603 >>4551568 I told you, I had the same exact TV and it was absolutely RF only.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:25:36 2018 No.4551638 >>4551246 Does it have component or RGB/SCART? If not don't bother. S-Video quality varies wildly from one model to the next, and composite is garbage (except for 1 consoles, the NES).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:32:11 2018 No.4551654 >>4551638 >Does it have component or RGB/SCART? >SCART OP is probably American since he's talking about prices in dollars.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:40:59 2018 No.4551667 Which say, why _didn't_ Americans ever have SCART/RGB inputs?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:47:44 2018 No.4551676 >>4551667 No rgb standard that anyone could agree on.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:48:18 2018 No.4551679 [DELETED]

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>>4551667
SCART was developed in France originally and spread from there. But nobody in Japan or the US ever managed to agree on a standardized RGB connector. The only US-model TV I positively know to have a RGB input would be the RCA Dimensia.

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Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:51:43 2018 No.4551690
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SCART was developed in France originally and spread from there. But nobody in Japan or the US ever managed to agree on a standardized RGB connector. The only US-model TV I positively know to have a SCART connector (referred to here as the EIA Multiport) would be the RCA Dimensia .

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:53:48 2018 No.4551695 >>4551690 Ha no way that's weird as shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:54:01 2018 No.4551697 >>4551667 everything that came out had to work with what already existed, and that went on since the black and white days. TVs were furniture and were expected to last forever.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:56:38 2018 No.4551702

SCART actually isn't just a RGB input, it's a combo RGB/composite/S-video input with an idiotproof connector. By the early 90s, it was standard on most European TVs except the very cheapest models.

Actually there was some butthurt when Sega only shipped PAL Saturns with SCART cables because people with old/shitty TVs couldn't use it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:14:34 2018 No.4551737 >>4551530 $10 isn't even bad, there's some retard asking $200 for a 20" black trini on ebay right now

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:18:08 2018 No.4551742 >>4551690 Its a scart port WITHOUT RGB LMAO americucks get fuckd. Why the fuck did they even include it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:20:10 2018 No.4551968 >>4551742 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg-ziYJCz5E It does have RGB input. This video confirms it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:25:45 2018 No.4551981 >>4551968 >>4551690 I've found contradictory information regarding these sets online. Some sources claim there's no RGB connector on the Dimensia, others claim it has one, but it's CGA-style TTL RGB so I have no idea.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:28:34 2018 No.4551986 >>4551981 I don't know either. The guy in the Youtube vid connects a PS1 with a SCART cable to the TV and gets video out of it, so...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:29:43 2018 No.4551990 >>4551986 PS1 gives out composite too, so SCART without RGB would still work.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:38:33 2018 No.4552004

>>4551990
I'd assume if you had a SCART cable, it would connect to the RGB port while the standard RCA cable would be used for composite.

I looked carefully at the video and I can't see any NTSC artifacts particularly when they zoom in close at 4:14 (the text looks solid white with no dot crawl or banding). So I have no idea. They do comment that they can't get sound for whatever reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:42:54 2018 No.4552021 File: 68 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4552004 I found this picture of a PS1 SCART cable box and it explicitly states RGB on it.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:48:04 2018 No.4552035
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Some Sony TVs of the same vintage as the Dimensia (like the KX-2501) definitely do accept RGB. They have a pin header connector and you can fit a PC floppy ribbon cable to it.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:23:28 2018 No.4552081

>>4552021
It also carries composite video (it has to for sync purposes as afaik no cable you could buy in a shop had sync on Luma and PlayStation doesn't output raw sync)

Guess what? EIA Multiport only uses the composite video signal and completely ignores the RGB portion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:24:11 2018 No.4552082 >>4551246 >too immature to make a $10 decision on his own Have you saved up enough of your allowance to afford it? Will your parents let you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:29:23 2018 No.4552090 >>4552081 What I mean to say (before the turboautists tear me a new one) is that PlayStation doesn't link Luma to the composite video/sync pin on the SCART. Of course it can be wired that way but again no shop bought cables ever did.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:33:57 2018 No.4552104 >>4552081 So are the guys in the video getting RGB or composite? I'm confused.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:39:49 2018 No.4552115 >>4552104 Composite

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:43:33 2018 No.4552119 [DELETED]

AFAIK Dimensia _do_ have RGB input, but it's not the RGB you think it is, it's 1-bit TTL RGB like what CGA monitors used. This feature was intended to connect teletype service boxes which RCA planned but never ended up implementing.

Meaning that it supports RGB alright, but only a fixed 16 colors via a separate intensity pin.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:51:54 2018 No.4552134

AFAIK Dimensias _do_ have RGB input, but it's not the RGB you think it is, it's 1-bit TTL RGB like what CGA monitors used. This feature was intended to connect teletype service boxes which RCA planned but never ended up implementing.

Meaning that it supports RGB alright, but only a fixed 16 colors via a separate intensity pin. The guys in the videos are probably getting composite (although the picture quality looks a little better than composite, maybe it's actually S-video).

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:05:46 2018 No.4552154

>>4552090
Luma or composite has to be connected to the video pin of SCART or it wouldn't work, it's used for the sync signal, and fallback if the device you're connecting to doesn't support RGB.

The RGB of SCART wasn't originally intended to be used as the primary video signal, it was meant for things like OSD overlays and captioning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:57:21 2018 No.4555050 >>4551246 If you're in the US, you pretty much have to get a PVM or whatnot since you would otherwise have to import a television set from Europe to get RGB.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:01:21 2018 No.4555062

>>4555050
>since you would otherwise have to import a television set from Europe to get RGB

>cost of trans-Atlantic shipping for a fucking CRT TV
>that isn't compatible with your consoles' video signal because refresh rate
>and also can't be plugged into a US wall outlet

Seriously, anon?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:03:45 2018 No.4555070

>>4555062
That's what I meant, get a PVM.
>>that isn't compatible with your consoles' video signal because refresh rate
This isn't true though. Basically every single TV set sold in a PAL-country since at least the beginning of the 90s have supported 60hz. It was a bit more so and so if they supported NTSC color, but that doesn't matter if you're running on RGB anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:06:01 2018 No.4555073 >>4555050 >since you would otherwise have to import a television set from Europe to get RGB Not necessary. You can use a VGA monitor with a converter box that does line-doubling and splits the sync pulses.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:07:27 2018 No.4555078

>>4555073
>You can use a VGA monitor with a converter box that does line-doubling and splits the sync pulses.
Ah, tell me more. This is interesting. I have a really nice Iiyama VGA monitor, and it's very difficult to find any good smaller CRT TVs where I live because this country was pretty poor until the 00s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:07:47 2018 No.4555080 >>4555070 >>4555050 What's with this PVM meme? I see it in every display thread.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:09:57 2018 No.4555084

>>4555078
The RGB signal on a SCART connector is 15Khz with composite sync. VGA is 31Khz with separate lines for the H and V sync. You can buy/build a relatively simple converter to double up the scan frequency and split the sync pulses.

It's also been done to connect Amigas to VGA monitors, except in that case just a line doubler since the Amiga already has separated sync.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Jan 30 13:15:18 2018 No.4555102 File: 1.14 MB, 2000x1339, DSC_9532-12[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4552035 Those are monitors, you're not going to find them at Goodwill or on Craigslist "free stuff"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:43:27 2018 No.4555176 >>4555080 Just Ebay resellers trying to advertise their auctions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:08:17 2018 No.4555227 @4555102 That's not a KX-2501. KX-2501s are a consumer TV and they do have the pin header RGB connector.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:17:06 2018 No.4555234 >>4551246 Had this exact model as a kid, it would randomly turn itself on and off rapidly like 10 times. Scared the shit out of me first time it did. It is in fact RF only

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:19:12 2018 No.4555239 >>4555234 >it would randomly turn itself on and off rapidly like 10 times It's a solder joint issue, this was common on Thomson TVs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:29:45 2018 No.4555269 >>4551246 No, look for a sony trinitron or PVM(good luck). Do some research on your own.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:31:22 2018 No.4555272 >>4555269 >tells OP to do his own research >tells him what specific displays to buy ...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:46:11 2018 No.4555295 >>4551530 >autistic neckbeards I'd wager that the people who are just now desperately buying random consumer CRTs and PVMemes are actually either bandwagonning hipsters or borderline underagers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:16:11 2018 No.4555350 >>4555227 KX models are not TVs, they are monitors. t. someone who owns three: 14", 20" and 27"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:17:32 2018 No.4555356 File: 77 KB, 1000x678, 36inch jvc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4551246 get yourself this giant 36 inch JVC CRT. the picture is amazing for retro gaming.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:02:31 2018 No.4555471 Wouldn't it be possible to mod RGB input onto basically any color TV? I mean they all use RGB internally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 20:33:15 2018 No.4556116 >>4551246 Why do burgers always say >only if it has rgb or stuff like that Every CRT has rgb, I don't get it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 23:01:09 2018 No.4556372 >>4555062 >that isn't compatible with your consoles' video signal dumb burgers. lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 23:06:13 2018 No.4556376 >>4555356 my dad owns that exact same tv and I use to play snes on it and the video quality was fucking amazing!

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 23:08:35 2018 No.4556382

>>4556116
Us bergs dont have scart that can leverage rgb. The best we got in the crt era was ypbpr. Component wasnt far off from rgb but we never had native RGB.

That said the ones that bemoan the lack of rgb never actually saw a side by side of rgb vs. Ypbpr.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 23:16:46 2018 No.4556394 >>4556372 >feed 50Hz signal into TV Enjoy your rolling screen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 23:31:56 2018 No.4556417 >>4556394 Please do no feed the 15 year old. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 23:36:54 2018 No.4556430 >>4555356 I saw one running once. The scanlines were as thick as your index finger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 03:53:58 2018 No.4556770 >>4556394 >feed 50Hz signal from US console into imported TV >be literally retarded >>4556417 But you look so hungry.

Anonymous Wed Jan 31 04:42:56 2018 No.4556826
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I live in Asia and there are a shittonne of old Tvs on sale online. Loads of Sony Trinitron and JVC etc etc.
>There's no scart inputs here
all of them have 3 pin composite and sometimes an s-video

So what exactly should I look for?
Does it matter if they have s-video?? what about if the screen if flat, will affect gun games?? Is it always better to have curved screens? and what about if it's one of those curved screens behind a clear flat screen?? Can someone just walk me through this step by step as though I'm a retard. Thanks

>bumping thread with cleavage

Anonymous Wed Jan 31 06:29:32 2018 No.4556929

>>4556826
You should look for anything that will educate you enough to never say "3 pin composite" ever again. I fully agree what you're a retard but you can be a less ignorant retard quite easily. Asia is a big place and defined differently by different people. Exactly which which third world shithole do you live in? Chinkanon myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 06:35:18 2018 No.4556938 >>4556394 See >>4555070

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 07:31:48 2018 No.4556995 >>4556929 Land of smiles. Can pick up these tvs from $15 I just know fuck all about any of this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 07:55:05 2018 No.4557008 >>4556995 >Land of smiles. Are you a ladyboy by any chance That would be great

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 11:22:16 2018 No.4557263 >>4556430 is that a bad thing? I mean..the picture quality is really impressive.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Wed Jan 31 11:30:20 2018 No.4557272 >>4555227 >Consumer TVs that can't tune RF

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 11:41:53 2018 No.4557283 >>4551516 The demand for CRTs is still only in a niche community. No large company is going to start making CRTs again just because of a niche community.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 12:05:00 2018 No.4557308 >>4551690 Europe gets RGB but we have to put up with 50hz. America has 60hz but no RGB. Given the choice I'd rather be in the Americans shoes at least they could play the games properly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 12:25:56 2018 No.4557350 >>4557308 >Europe gets RGB but we have to put up with 50hz. See >>4555070

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 12:32:22 2018 No.4557361 >>4557350 A lot of consumer CRT's in the 90's did support 60hz but the problem was when the games were released here they were 50hz only. Very few games back then were optimized for that.

Anonymous Wed Jan 31 12:35:06 2018 No.4557365

>>4557361
>when the games were released here they were 50hz only
How is that of any importance today? When I want to play a Playstation game for example, I either burn or buy a copy of the version that will work the best. This is typically the NTSC version, but the Playstation also has a fair amount of games that were developed in PAL countries, where the PAL version is likely the definitive version.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 12:46:18 2018 No.4557385 >>4557365 I agree anon, it's of no importance now I was just making a point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 12:55:30 2018 No.4557405 >>4557283 >The demand for CRTs is still only in a niche community Your proof of this being...?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 12:56:35 2018 No.4557406 >>4557308 >Given the choice I'd rather be in the Americans shoes at least they could play the games properly. Ditto the ability to play Japanese imports.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:10:38 2018 No.4557431 I'd think you would get a seizure looking at a 50Hz CRT for any length of time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:28:38 2018 No.4557463 >>4551246 As long as it's not just RF only go for it. Just make sure the seller let's you test it out first, don't spend days of your life hunting down a PVM they're nothing but a meme for autists who wanna feel like they're in a special elite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:30:18 2018 No.4557465 >>4557463 >As long as it's not just RF only go for it It is. We've already established that in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:31:42 2018 No.4557470 >>4551246 >>4557465 As long as it's not just RF only you should go for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:39:24 2018 No.4557490 File: 1.99 MB, 320x240, 1510425857000.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4557470 Read the thread, slowpoke >>4551331

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:40:42 2018 No.4557492 >>4557490 It's another case of "Oh look I saw the thread on page 1 and post a reply without bothering to read any of it."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:40:53 2018 No.4557494 >>4551246 >>4557465 >>4557490 Go for it as long as it's not just RF only.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:42:00 2018 No.4557497 >>4557463 >don't spend days of your life hunting down a PVM I've seen a million CRTs in my day but never a PVM except in pictures.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:43:00 2018 No.4557501 >>4557494 Oh fuck off m00t, permaban this child already

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:43:22 2018 No.4557503 >>4557501 >Moot >2018 Dude...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:44:01 2018 No.4557504 >>4557501 eceleb discussion belongs on /v/. >>>/v/

Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:46:45 2018 No.4557512
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>>4557503
>he thinks the "sale" actually happened

>>4557497
Sucks to be you I guess. Got like 20+ PVMs and BVMs littering up my place. Literally don't know what to do with them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 13:47:27 2018 No.4557516 >>4557512 >Got like 20+ PVMs and BVMs littering up my place Pics or it didn't happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 14:10:04 2018 No.4557563 >>4556995 Get something with component that doesn't fuck with the signal and use a transcoder >>4557283 The demand for ignorant parroting shitposts is low but that doesn't stop you from producing them

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