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4548274 No.4548274[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

whats your favorite generation of retro vidya?

>> No.4548281

>>4548274
I can't pick a favorite, but around fifth and sixth and late third/early fourth.

>> No.4548284

>>4548274
Arcade games in general. If we're talking about consoles then by far 4th gen for me.

>> No.4548289

>>4548274
Sixth gen.

>> No.4548291

>>4548274
>>4548289
My favourite gen but will never be retro

>> No.4548292

>>4548289
too bad it's not retro :^)

>> No.4548295

If this thread does't convince you guys as to why we should never include 6th gen because it would replace all other discussions by sheer number of threads then I don't know what will.

>> No.4548297

>>4548295
the faggots crying that 6th gen isnt retro are worse than those who enjoy and acknowledge the 6th gen

>> No.4548302

>>4548297
nah, I don't see threads saying 6th gen will never be retro
I do see threads with 6th gen babbies crying about their childhood not being retro though

>> No.4548303

>>4548297
I still find 6th gen enjoyable but it's so much bigger in terms of fanbase/playerbase it would just destroy the rest of the board.
We would have:
Halo threads
WoW threads and many more MMORPG
3D GTA threads
Even more console war threads
Smash Melee threads
Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 shitposting
People pushing for 7th gen eventually (which definitely will never feel like classic games at all except the 360 arcade ports and some exceptions)
etc. It would be a disaster for people that enjoy older gens.

>> No.4548306

>>4548297
Basically this >>4548302

Reminder that you should be e-mailing Hiro about the creation of /v2k/, not shitposting here.
>b-but my childhood!
There's people who are now 18 who grew up during 7th gen. That doesn't mean 6th gen and 7th gen belong in pre-1999 days.

>> No.4548320
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4548320

>>4548274
6th gen is what started the cancer. Terrible generation overall.

>> No.4548326

Retro games are classic.
Sixth gen is now old, and will continue to get older, but it will never be classic.
That's what people don't want to understand.
Retro up until the 5th gen or so was like the wild west.
The wild west was roughly over by the 20th century.
The same way retro is over by the 2000s.
Sixth gen is already beyond that period, gaming becomes more popular and standardized.

>> No.4548327

>>4548306
>There's people who are now 18 who grew up during 7th gen. That doesn't mean 6th gen and 7th gen belong in pre-1999 days.
If only these underages would understand such a simple concept as this.

>> No.4548331

>>4548291
>>4548292
Give it some years.

>> No.4548334

>>4548320
Your picture is false.
You're as bad as the shitposters, you're a tech illiterate trying to pass as a smartass.

>> No.4548335

>>4548331
yeah, in a couple of years you may get /v2k/ instead of wasting your time here

>> No.4548336

>>4548334
K, kiddo. That picture is pretty old now and nothing about it is false. Believe me you're not the first child to be this ignorant about the topic.

>> No.4548337

>>4548320
That's 5th tho.
The arcade influence is the #1 defining factor of classic games, indeed. The only exceptions are some PC genres that died in the 21th century like Freespace 1&2 or similar games since... well, games had to be consolized so they could be ported and be fully multiplat.

>> No.4548338

>>4548303
This. The newer generations need their own /v2k/ board, not to invade ours. The amount of players and games from these generations are just too big for a niche board like /vr/.

>> No.4548339

>>4548274
Any of the ones from before you were born

>> No.4548341

>>4548337
>That's 5th tho.
Explain without ebonics.

>> No.4548343

>>4548337
See you in the Wing Commander thread desu

>> No.4548347

>>4548274
Mid to late 90's PC (pre-Voodoo to Voodoo 2) > Mega Drive-era > PS1 > everything else.
PS2 will never be retro. Video games will never advance that much compared to games of that era that the PS2 will be proper retro, until the holodeck becomes a thing.

>> No.4548352

>>4548341
Sure. It's the gen that truly turned the tide: the most popular games worldwide weren't arcade games or arcade style games.
3D-playing games ran badly (they didn't want them to look incredibly bad so they made the performance suffer instead) thus they had to lower the challenge to make them bearable. Thus bringing a new generation of people that didn't enjoy challenge in games.
Cinematic and other story driven games started to become the norm, as well as the proliferation of progress systems (before they were only popular in Japan and PC games). Both these elements are against arcade style games (you need to make story games easy so that everyone that plays them beats them effortlessly; and progress systems undermine challenge, they're a way of negating it. It's no coincidence RPGs, which are very progress system heavy, are usually called "games based on story" when they don't technically need story to work: they were just tapping into a bigger market than those who like game mechanics).
There's a HUGE generational division between people that started playing games before the 4th gen and those that had 5th as their first experience with gaming and never touched previous games until maybe much later. I'd say it's the biggest and most noticeable gap.
And there were a lot: console sales exploded during the 5th and 6th gens. These guys pretty much replaced us in number, arcade style games have pretty much died.

>> No.4548353

>>4548343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ-dq2Y4Z-Y

>> No.4548363

>>4548274
>6th gen is now older than 5th gen was when /vr/ started
>still not allowed

This NEEDS to be addressed and it needs to be addressed NOW.

The "retro" era of gaming is before HD, meaning 6th gen and earlier. PERIOD. Hiro MUST update this board to include ALL 6th gen hardware.

Someone go start a thread on /qa/ for this. We have to make this happen.

>> No.4548367
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>>4548352
>Sure. It's the gen that truly turned the tide: the most popular games worldwide weren't arcade games or arcade style games.
See pic related. Also have you heard of a game called Virtua Fighter? Was kinda big during 5thgen.
>thus they had to lower the challenge to make them bearable
See Dino Crisis. Plenty of easy 2d games out there.
>Cinematic
RPGs? Cutscenes became big on the SNES.
>HUGE generational division between people that started playing games before the 4th gen and those that had 5th
>console sales exploded during the 5th
Only the PS1 exploded... SEGA did worse and Nintendo didn't beat past sales.

Your argument has holes and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Comes off as someone who learned everything about 5th gen from youtubers.

>> No.4548368

>>4548363
go ask for /v2k/ instead of ruining this board
>Someone go start a thread on /qa/ for this
do it yourself if you want it that badly

>> No.4548369

>>4548363
>The "retro" era of gaming is before HD
Do you want the Wii there, too? And later portable devices? That's an iffy definition.
Anyway, 6th gen definitely feels like the last remotely classic gen. However I think the issue with including it is less about the definition but /vr/'s community and the 6th gen community, as I explained here >>4548303
It's just too big and would kill the rest of the board.

>> No.4548371

>>4548274
4th generation is the peak in videogames after that every generation is worse than the previous one.

>> No.4548376

>>4548274
4th gen. It’s what got me into games along with ms dos.

>> No.4548378

>>4548320
So 100 years into the future it will never be
retro?

>does the console's generation have online connectivity built in?
(From pic related)
Sega Saturn and Dreamcast both have the capability to do this. (and the game.com, yes I know it wasn't good be it proves the point.)

>> No.4548379
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>>4548367
Of course, arcades didn't disappear immediately. But they went from being the most prominent to noticeably start to disappear in their influence. Those aren't obscure but they aren't, say, FFVII or OoT.
Before there were games ranging from very easy to very hard. Starting with 5th gen the very hard arcade games started to disappear, and again, the most popular games stopped being remotely challenging.
RPGs weren't big outside of Japan or PC platforms before 5th gen. There were a couple of popular games but nothing compared to the juggernaut they became a bit later.
And yeah, only Sony. But just Sony alone made console gaming so much bigger it's ridiculous.
There, I've addressed the holes you pointed out. I lived through that gen and saw how it killed arcade games where I live.

>> No.4548383

>>4548327
dreamcast isnt retro

>> No.4548393

>>4548383
based on what?

and when will it be retro?

>> No.4548394

4th>DS/PSP>6th>3rd>5th

>> No.4548396

>>4548394
Based anon, pretty much agree if we only talk about consoles.

>> No.4548406

>>4548274
Undoubtedly 5th. N64 is my favorite console ever.
Also never post PS2 images here again, 6th gen is not retro and never will be.

>> No.4548408
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>>4548274
5th Gen

>> No.4548414

>>4548393
if dreamcast is retro then ps2/gc/xbox have every right to be

>> No.4548415

>>4548379
>Starting with 5th gen the very hard arcade games started to disappear
This is just false.
>RPGs weren't big outside of Japan
See SNES.
>nothing compared to the juggernaut they became a bit later.
Of FF7?
Nothing compared...
>And yeah, only Sony. But just Sony alone made console gaming so much bigger it's ridiculous.
Not really. The majority of PS1 sales happened during 6th gen.

>> No.4548418

>>4548295
You're retarded.

>> No.4548420

>>4548414
nah, I'd rather ban the dreamcast

>> No.4548421

>>4548396
if counting PC, GB/GBC, GBA, DS, and PSP taht definitely adds points to 5th and 6th gen for me. if only counting home consoles
4th>6th>3rd>5th>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7th
if counting PC and handhelds
6th=5th>4th>3rd=7th

>> No.4548462
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4548462

I think 6th gen will inevitably be considered 'retro' at some point. I understand people's arguments for it being a shift from previous generations, but I can also imagine people saying the same thing about the 5th gen with things like the move to 3D games, analogue sticks, CDs and game saving becoming the norm.

The rules given in:
>>4548320
Seem arbitrary to me.

The best solution in my opinion would be to split retro games into different 'eras' or retro with their own boards, because that way people nostalgic for 6th gen and eventually 7th, 8th, etc will be free to have their own retro gaming scene, without getting in the way of previous eras.

I'm curious to hear where people here would divide the eras though, because most people here seem to want the split to start at the 6th gen, but I'd argue making the split at the start of the 5th gen, as the 5th gen is more similar to the 6th gen than it is to the 4th gen.

>> No.4548463

>>4548415
I mean they started to disappear on consoles worldwide, and they became less popular. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough. They went from being the main influence to popular console games in the first 4 gens to slowly become niche starting at 5.
Are you seriously comparing the popularity of RPGs on the SNES to the 5th gen worldwide? It's not even close. Particularly in Europe where they didn't even get the few popular ones that managed to get the US. Compare the sales, etc. RPGs just barely started to get traction in the west on consoles, and even the only in the US. It's in the next gen when they became a worldwide phenomenon.
I'm not talking about quality here, just saying FFVII was madly popular and impacted gaming hard: second best selling PS1 game and very far from arcade design.
The PS1 sales during 6th gen may be true, but it doesn't change my point that much.
Anyway, I'm off for some hours. In conclusion, I won't say arcade games are strictly better, even if they are for me. But to me it's very easy to see that the main difference between classic and modern games is how the arcade influence is pretty much absent in modern games while it was big in classic ones. 5th is when this shift truly started and could be noticed, that's all.

>> No.4548465

>>4548462
Agreed, as I say here and in other posts >>4548462
5th and 6th are the transitional gens between classic games and modern games.

>> No.4548467

>>4548462
>The best solution in my opinion would be to split retro games into different 'eras' or retro with their own boards, because that way people nostalgic for 6th gen and eventually 7th, 8th, etc will be free to have their own retro gaming scene, without getting in the way of previous eras.
Yeah, this is the idea behind /v2k/ and what most /vr/ people agree with.
E-mail Hiro about it.

>> No.4548474

>>4548462
>arbitrary
Howe's that?
>>4548463
>I mean they started to disappear on consoles worldwide, and they became less popular. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough. They went from being the main influence to popular console games in the first 4 gens to slowly become niche starting at 5.
Arcade games? What?
>Are you seriously comparing the popularity of RPGs on the SNES to the 5th gen worldwide?
Yes because the only RPG that really sold well was FF7. No other RPG in 5th gen came close in sales.

>> No.4548483

>>4548462
>I can also imagine people saying the same thing about the 5th gen with things like the move to 3D games, analogue sticks, CDs and game saving becoming the norm.
5th gen definitely was a pretty radical break from 4th gen thanks to the introduction of 3D. If a bunch of people wanted to start a discussion board for "retro games" and their dividing line was "2D only", then they would be perfectly within their rights to do so. But 5th gen has been allowed on this board for a long time and I don't think that's ever going to change, so it's not the purpose of THIS particular retro board to discuss solely the 2D era of gaming.

What we can still choose to do is state that the purpose of this board is to discuss the pre-internet and pre-death of arcades era of gaming, which would (probably) exclude (at least some of) 6th gen.

There's no objective right or wrong about the matter, it's just deciding what you want the purpose of your community to be.

>> No.4548486

>>4548483
>5th gen definitely was a pretty radical break from 4th gen thanks to the introduction of 3D.
3d had been around and been mainstream for long before 5th gen. Youtuber knowledge about 5th gen really needs to stop.

>> No.4548504

>>4548291
>>4548292
Anything that's older than 15 years is basically retro.

>> No.4548505

>>4548504
gaming hasn't changed that much since 6th gen, so not really
maybe once VR becomes a thing, until then ask for /v2k/

>> No.4548507

>>4548505
Oh yes it has. 6'th gen just introduced trends that would become standard in future platforms. What defines later gens is a lack of innovation and playing it safe.

>> No.4548509

>>4548486
Not on consoles it wasn't. What games are you thinking of and what is your definition of "long before 5th gen"?

>> No.4548510

>>4548507
>Oh yes it has
>later gens is a lack of innovation and playing it safe.

exactly, gaming hasn't changed much since 6th gen, glad you understand why it doesn't belong here

>> No.4548512

>>4548509
>Not on consoles it wasn't.
Star Fox, buddy.
>What games are you thinking of and what is your definition of "long before 5th gen"?
There's numerous popular arcade titles. Virtua Racing for example.

>> No.4548513

Dreamcast & Gamecube feel more "retro" than PS2 or Xbox. The former 2 feel and play like 5th Gen systems with better graphics.

>> No.4548518

People are gonna regret so badly when they allow gamecube babies here.

>> No.4548523

>>4548518
People already shit on "N64/PS1 babies" so I don't see much of a difference.

>> No.4548527

>>4548363
Xbox and PS2 both supported 1080i.

>> No.4548531

>>4548513
The Xbox was basically the Dreamcast 2. It got most of the Dreamcast games that were mid-development when the DC was axed.

>> No.4548535

>>4548527
Only a handful of games supported 1080i. The rest were 480i and a lot of them could output 480p.

>> No.4548540

>>4548535
>>4548363
240p was a rarity in 6th gen. Majority of titles were 480i. XBox, DC, and GC have the majority of worthwhile titles play at 480p or higher. And they have have 16:9 support.

>> No.4548541

>>4548535
All Xbox games support 480p, and several support 720p as well. But the point is that the hardware was capable of it even if the developers didn't make use of it.

>> No.4548547

>>4548540
>>4548541
>>4548535
Xbox and Dreamcast had about about 99% support for 480p Gamecube had quite some too, for some reason it's only the PS2 that was mostly 480i

>> No.4548550

>>4548512
Wow, two games. You know exactly what my original post meant, quit being autistic.

>> No.4548552

>>4548550
StarFox is a huge game, champ. You seem pretty ignorant about the topic. Feel free to google some 3d arcade games.

>> No.4548554

>>4548552
You know exactly what I meant. No one denies that 5th gen is when gaming underwent a major shift from 2D to 3D. Again, stop being autistic, it doesn't make you look smart.

>> No.4548557

>>4548523
Gamecube babies are far worse.

>> No.4548560

>>4548554
High quality posts like his are the only thing preventing """people""" like you from turning this place into /v/

>> No.4548561

>>4548557
Just say 6th gen babies, Gamecube wasn't the only console.

>> No.4548562
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4548562

>>4548504

>> No.4548563
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4548563

>>4548554
>No one denies that 5th gen is when gaming underwent a major shift from 2D to 3D.
This false though idiot. It's youtube parrot shit. The shift to 3d was well before 5th gen. You honestly think 5th gen started 3d or made it big? You've just proved how young and ignorant you are.

This is exactly why these "let 6th gen in" thread exist. Dumb ignorant children.

>> No.4548569

>>4548563
This. If you associate 3D with N64 and PS1 (which aren't really retro) instead of SNES and Genesis, you honestly don't belong here.

>> No.4548570

>>4548562
15 years or not, games like mgs2, re4, halo, kingdom hearts etc. are in no way retro, sorry

>> No.4548571

>>4548560
You should go back.

>> No.4548574

>I want to sniff Chie's farts!
>UNCLE DANTE PLEASE RAPE ME IN THE ASS IT WILL BE CUHRAYZEEEH
>RE4 is a masterpiece yadda yadda
>I MISS KH SO MUCH GUYS ;_;
>"mgs2.png" pure ludo/kino/buzzword
>anything gamecube related

>> No.4548576

>>4548571
Sorry, kid. The board was already ruined when they included shit like N64 and Dreamcast. We're not going to let you make it worse.

>> No.4548578

>>4548576
I don't want 6th gen here like you, kiddo.

>> No.4548583

>>4548569
I think you're literally delusional. How many 3D games are on SNES/Genesis compared to the HUNDREDS on 5th gen consoles?

It's like saying "online gaming is associated with 5th gen" because the Saturn NetLink existed.

>> No.4548586

>>4548583
Arcades were a thing. Different anon.

>> No.4548587

>>4548578
What the fuck are you talking about? I don't consider the 5th Generation "retro" let alone the 6th

>> No.4548590

The way this is going you may as well have separate boards for each generation.

>> No.4548594

>>4548574
yeah opposed to countless:
>SNES/MEGADRIVE FARTS
>retron and the like threads

>> No.4548595

>>4548587
How is 5th gen not retro?

>> No.4548598

>>4548590
no, it's really simple
/v/ only discusses the latest gen
/vr/ stays as is
/v2k/ is for anything in between

>> No.4548606

I would rather have 6gen than e-celebs threads

>> No.4548608

>>4548606
I'd rather have neither

>> No.4548609

>>4548598
I personally think that Gen 6 is retro. However I also think that /v2k/ should exist as it represents a different era.

>> No.4548612

kids, it's /v2k/ or the high-way

>> No.4548613

>>4548590
Nah, with /v2k/ it'd be enough.

>> No.4548674

>>4548595
If you have to ask, you're too young for this board.

>> No.4548676

>>4548674
K, Sorry for being over 30.

>> No.4548684

>>4548337
Anon, I hate to tell you this, but making everything multiplat is what's killing the market for console gaming currently.
I recently got a PS4 so I could play MHW with my friends. I noticed that outside of remakes, it has nothing I want to play, and even then, I don't care about the remakes. PS4 has pretty much no arcade elements left to it, and the only exclusive titles left are majority weeb-stuffs, which I'm not into and a majority of people aren't into.
But yeah, making everything multiplat has really devalued any console, mainly because 9/10 any multiplat now also gets a PC release, which makes it cheaper for me in the long run to just get a good PC and upgrade my hardware regularly.
What's left that incentivizes me buying a console? The controller? I can get a PC controller. The games are already on PC, so it's not like I have to worry much about that, and games today are the same across all platforms, outside of some bonus content.
It's this mindset exactly that destroyed console gaming.