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Anonymous Sun Jan 21 12:47:36 2018 No.4537363 [Reply] [Original]

Are the Sonic Jam ports to the Saturn the definitive way to play the original Sonic trilogy?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 12:52:37 2018 No.4537370 >>4537363 Is this ironic?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 12:57:55 2018 No.4537382 >>4537370 Excuse me?

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 13:01:07 2018 No.4537391
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The definitive way is to play the original carts on the original hardware, but Sonic Jam has the time trail mode, and because of that, it's the only way I play Sonic games anymore.
But yeah as far as compilations go, Jam is the best one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 13:04:06 2018 No.4537396 File: 88 KB, 800x800, 1515242199241.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4537391 >the original carts >implying

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 13:32:42 2018 No.4537441

Sonic 1? Sure, at least if/until the Taxman port comes to a real system.

Sonic 2? No, there are slowdowns.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles? Nope, the S3 Complete romhack is retardedly good, and probably not even taxman would be able to top it.

But it is an excellent port of the games, so regardless if it's the definite way, it's still pretty great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 13:44:05 2018 No.4537470 >>4537391 >original carts on original hardware >sonic 3 complete

>>	Abwezi Sun Jan 21 13:49:00 2018 No.4537491 >>4537363 It would be if the sound wasn't lower quality than the originals

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 16:38:15 2018 No.4537861 File: 98 KB, 640x898, sonic-the-hedgehog-gen-cover-front-jp-29397.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4537470 Oh, wow, some music changes. Who cares. >>4537396 You're missing all that beautiful JP artwork.

>>	Batowl Sun Jan 21 16:40:51 2018 No.4537868 PS3 sega collection? Anyway best is console.

>>	Batowl Sun Jan 21 16:45:20 2018 No.4537881 File: 247 KB, 377x264, image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I forgot how cute this is. And the difficulties features.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 16:47:18 2018 No.4537891 >>4537868 >PS3 sega collection? Don't, input lag out the ass. As for Sonic Jam, the original carts still grant you higher quality audio and less occasional slowdowns, but lesser features of course, and you gotta own the stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 16:53:36 2018 No.4537914 >>4537891 >higher quality audio I know Jam has some audio shenanigans, like not being able to speed up the music in real time when you get the speedshoes, due to CD streaming, but I thought the actual quality of the audio is the same.

>>	Batowl Sun Jan 21 17:01:23 2018 No.4537942 File: 31 KB, 335x298, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4537891 Aren't these good? Anyway wouldn't mind sonic jam remade

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 17:20:31 2018 No.4537995 >>4537942 I didn't play much the Sonic 3D Classic, but I remember it had imperfect music emulation (Which happened to the Shinobi III 3D too). They are all right and have some nice features, but the games also loses some appeal on a small screen.

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 17:42:21 2018 No.4538047

>>4537995
I don't think those are emulated, IIRC they were rebuilt from the ground up for the 3DS.

It was such a difficult task its why Nintendo didn't pursue it beyond the few 3D classics they did early on. When they were first showed off Nintendo had other games like Mario World and Mega Man 2 running. But it was such a costly process they didn't decided it wasn't worth the investment.

Its a shame they didn't at least do Mario 3 since it would lend itself well to the whole "on stage" atmosphere.

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 17:54:11 2018 No.4538062

>>4537363
>Are the Sonic Jam ports to the Saturn the definitive way to play the original Sonic trilogy?
if you're looking for an excuse to buy a Saturn and Sonic Jam then yeah sure, I'd be lying to you though. You can play these games on anything, and I mean anything

if you need to ask people on whether or not you want to pull the trigger it's probably a stupid idea. Just emulate it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 17:58:42 2018 No.4538076 File: 186 KB, 640x448, SATURN--Sonic Jam_Nov17 19_55_41.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4538062 >not wanting to read the sonic history with comfy layouts

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 18:02:54 2018 No.4538082 >>4538047 >I don't think those are emulated, IIRC they were rebuilt from the ground up for the 3DS. Nope. They're all emulation with their custom emulator.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 20:22:30 2018 No.4538346 >>4538076 The museum music instantly started playing in my head.

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Anonymous Sun Jan 21 20:37:05 2018 No.4538369

>>4537914
>but I thought the actual quality of the audio is the same.

No, music I believe was sampled at 22KHz (can't remember how many bps), same goes for the sounds, which are very jarring and earrapey, most of them are also shorter.

Genesis doesn't give a fuck and constantly outputs FM synth at over 50 whatever KHz so the only crystal clearness of its sound is given by lack of filters and good amps.

The only really cool thing about Sonic Jam is that a number of sound effects seem to come from source preproduction assets, meaning their original intended noise before being converted into FM synth to be played by the console, and I am certainly the kind of Sonic fan who goes nuts about what other stuff lie(d)s inside Sega's archives.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 21:15:37 2018 No.4538450 >>4537363 Aren't ports by the Sonic Mania people the definiteve way?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 21:27:33 2018 No.4538465 >>4537861 >Sonic 3 Complete >Oh, wow, some music changes. it's a bit more than that

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 21:27:47 2018 No.4538467 >>4537363 If you like slowdown and tracks from the wrong game playing, sure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 21:30:17 2018 No.4538474 File: 485 KB, 1513x1378, SCC_EU_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best definitive way to play if you're on the go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 21:37:58 2018 No.4538482 >>4538474 There's the Genesis collection on ps2 and sonic mega collection and ultimate Genisis collection. The mobile and 3ds versions was redone over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 03:18:37 2018 No.4538890 >>4537881 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-ef8SD9gUg

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 04:16:59 2018 No.4538931 >>4537363 they have some slowdown and the sounds aren't 100% right, but the sonic world and time trials make it the best retro sonic collection

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 05:09:47 2018 No.4538992 >>4538931 only Sonic 2 has more slowdown than the original version

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 05:26:57 2018 No.4539003 >>4538890 comfy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 06:50:41 2018 No.4539079 >>4538992 honestly i only really noticed when messing around in debug

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 07:38:50 2018 No.4539136 >>4537868 They're not a bad way to play but it's just straight emulation and no cartridge lock on features.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 08:41:39 2018 No.4539173 >>4538082 Really? I hope hackers can decrypt and inject other titles into it, then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 10:07:21 2018 No.4539294 >>4538076 >And SONIC continues to spin toward the future. Nothing will stop him! >Nothing will stop him! >Nothing will stop him! >Nothing will stop him! >Nothing will stop him! >Nothing will stop him! If only they knew how bad the things could get.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 13:08:00 2018 No.4539440 >>4539173 they have been for years

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 13:36:27 2018 No.4539480 Sonic Jam was the last time the games were truly ported instead of just being emulated. Fun fact, the Sonic games on Saturn are in fact NOT emulated. They're true ports.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 17:13:33 2018 No.4539724 >>4539294 and yet he still hasn't stopped. guess they were right

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 06:31:08 2018 No.4540059 >>4539480 Are you sure? Because I remember hearing several years ago that the Taxman versions were also true ports, rebuilt from the ground up in some engine he created

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 06:34:15 2018 No.4540060 >>4540059 The taxman games can be considered more like romhacks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 06:35:32 2018 No.4540063 File: 5 KB, 211x239, 92d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4540060

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 06:39:04 2018 No.4540065 >>4540063 Why is the nu-Sonic fandom always big with nu-memes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 10:16:43 2018 No.4540297 >>4540059 >I remember hearing several years ago that the Taxman versions were also true ports No, they're full remakes. Remade to be as true to the original as possible.

Anonymous Tue Jan 23 14:35:12 2018 No.4540786

>>4537391
Jam also introduced a spindash option for Sonic 1, which was a different experience.
The difficulty modes were fun to try. I laughed how much shit you skipped in Easy mode

>>4537861
>can change layout between 3 or &K, like item boxes or spring in Hydrocity Act2
>Big Arms boss instead of skipping it
>Can turn off Super whenever you want

More than just music.

>>4538076
I wasted too much time reading those, or the artwork, or rewatching over and over Sonic the Movie trailer or Man of the Year(2nd part never), or listening to the soundtracks. Back then all of these were pretty neat.
About that Movie Theatre, that's when I learned how weird japan was with all those crazy commercials.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:04:04 2018 No.4541194 >>4537363 no, Sonic Jam is an awful port. The music quality is crap, the tracks keep restarting if you take powerups, and many sound effects are off as well. It has time trial and sonic 1 spindash and that's about the only thing going for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:05:23 2018 No.4541197 >>4541194 Music quality and sound effects sound fine to me, even if they are techically inferior due to being 22khz or whatever. If I didn't read about it I wouldn't have noticed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:06:16 2018 No.4541202 >>4538992 >>4539079 Sonic 2 has slowdown on the Genesis too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:07:19 2018 No.4541206 >>4541202 Yep, but it has some extra choppiness on Jam. It's not a deal breaker though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 19:13:44 2018 No.4541219 >>4537363 The definitive way to play Sonic nowadays is to have a cellphone in one had with Facebook/Twitter/Instagram active, a dragon dildo up you anus, and playing the game on an emulator on your MacBook.

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