/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4504867]

Who else unironically enjoys lo-poly, fifth-generation 3D graphics?

[Anonymous No.4504874]

>>4504867
I only enjoy them if the game runs smoothly like F-Zero X. So not much.

[Anonymous No.4504875]

They can look good when they are doing crazy things, like in FF7. Problems immediately start to creep in when you texture them. Especially on the Playstation.

[Anonymous No.4504897]

>>4504874
Can you please start using a tripcode so I can filter you?

Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.4504923]

>>4504867
Yes,there is a certain charm about ones done well. Mgs, ff7,oot, bushido blade 2, xenogears, thps, tomb raider, parasite eve, RE, dino crisis, ff8, smash bros, etc...

I went through a period when i thought games without good graphics were obsolete trash. Jeez, what a prick i was when i was younger.

[Anonymous No.4504925]

>>4504867
this is my favorite sonic model. too bad it barely appeared anywhere

[Anonymous No.4504929]

>>4504897
What's so wrong about wanting your games to look and play smooth? lol

[Anonymous No.4504934]

>>4504867
It works for Sonic well. Sonic really looks good like that.

[Anonymous No.4504952]

I like them but I'm 99% sure it's only my nostalgia goggles that makes them awesome to me so I don't expect others to feel the same.

[Anonymous No.4504986]

>>4504874
>>4504897
>>4504929
We fucking get it OK
F Zero X is a 60 frames per second game for the Nintendo Ultra 64

[Anonymous No.4505007]

>>4504986
You asked for our opinion and I gave you mine. I give you that example since it's one of my favorite games of that gen on consoles, gameplay-wise. The fast smooth look to it is pretty nice, it being simplistic also helps you not get too distracted with the background and focus more (the Gamecube sequel can be a bit too much with 4-players).
I hope you don't think I'm a fanboy since in the 90's I had the PlayStation, I only got to play the N64 much later and I'm not too into it.

[Anonymous No.4505028]

Sick retro cred.

[Anonymous No.4505029]

>>4504867
Yep, I love 'em. I think the first time I played Sonic R might have been the first time I ever saw 3D graphics in my life.

If I didn't have the childhood nostalgia for them then I might not enjoy them as much, but, whatever. I am what I am.

[Anonymous No.4505032]

I've started to develop a strong appreciation for them recently. Particularly the ones on the PSX and Saturn. Those pixelated textures and simple 3D models can be surprisingly pretty if done right. They're almost fascinating to look at for some reason.

[Anonymous No.4505037]

>>4505032
The Sonic World part of Sonic Jam was so fucking a e s t h e t i c. To this day, sometimes the museum music will start playing in my head for no reason.

[Anonymous No.4505064]

With a good art style they're my favorite kind of graphics. One thing that can ruin them are smudgy textures, though. It's why I think most N64 games look ugly as hell.

[Anonymous No.4505082]

depends on the game, but I don't really have a problem with 5th gen graphics in general

[Anonymous No.4505092]

I wish his tiny eyes, pointy nose, and silly mouth shape were canon. They were cute.

Favorite thing to do was go into the windmill, make it rain, and get the camera as close as I could to Link and watch him shiver and sneeze.

[Anonymous No.4505147]

>>4504867
I do, but just because of nostalgia, and aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.4505156]

>>4505092
>Favorite thing to do was go into the windmill, make it rain, and get the camera as close as I could to Link and watch him shiver and sneeze.
You are a gay little child.

[Anonymous No.4505221]

>>4504867
I do. I just recently bought a Sega Saturn(white Japanese model)

[Anonymous No.4505307]

I'm pretty sure mostly everyone here does.

[Anonymous No.4505324]

>>4505307
No, there are lots of 4th gen supremacists who never get tired of talking about how "awkward" 5th gen looks and how "3D just wasn't ready yet".

[Anonymous No.4505331]

>>4505092
this link model was the only good 3d link model that nintendo has ever made

[Anonymous No.4505335]

>>4505324
3D did get better on consoles for a short while until gaming became mostly shit due to having better controls for these games as a standard.
I do prefer 4th gen consoles myself, too. But arcade games from the 5th gen years are top notch.

[Anonymous No.4505337]

>>4505335
I meant controllers, not controls.

[Anonymous No.4505338]

>>4505331
You... are entirely right. Damn. Although child Link from OoT and MM looks fine too.

[Anonymous No.4505353]

>>4504867
I like flat or gouraud shaded polygons with little to no textures. I miss when video games didnt try pretend to be photorealism and embraced the colorful simplicity.

[Anonymous No.4505368]

>>4505353
*cues Heavy Ruin sex scenes*

[Anonymous No.4505382]

>>4505353
>those quads
where is this from

[Anonymous No.4505392]

>>4505382
Sonic the Fighters. Mecha also looks better flat shaded like in Virtual On.

[Anonymous No.4505394]

>>4504867
My favorite aesthetic. The idea that they look bad is a shitty game journalist / industry meme used to justify cheap cash in remakes and other industry poison, of course underage fags eat the meme up.

[Anonymous No.4505404]

>>4505392
VO has more textures

[Anonymous No.4505412]

The low polygon look works great for some games.

[Anonymous No.4505413]

>>4504874

[Anonymous No.4505503]

>>4504934
I agree.

[Anonymous No.4505620]

>>4505324
I hardly see these claims and when spoken are seldom. I think you're just extrapolating a few claims. A lot of people here love the unique low-poly look games in consoles.

[Anonymous No.4505630]

Can be pretty comfy

[Anonymous No.4505771]

>>4504867

[Anonymous No.4505791]

>>4505404

What game is this? looks fuggin amazing.

[Anonymous No.4505801]

I think what really endears me along with others is how decisively and distinctly videogamey they are; you just rarely see models like this anywhere else; considering that by the time that games were using them 3D animation was beyond even FMV quality.

[Anonymous No.4505802]

>>4505791
It's for the Dreamcast, though. Virtual-On: Oratorio Tangram, I think.

[Anonymous No.4505807]

>>4505801
>videogamey not used as a pejorative term
Creating /vr/ was a good decision. Thanks for making my day. No trolling here, seeing that legit made me happy

[Anonymous No.4505809]

>>4505791
Virtual On Oratorio Tangram

[Anonymous No.4505847]

>>4504897
sounds like an autist is triggered

[Anonymous No.4505860]

>>4505847
Yeah, that reaction was a bit extreme lol

[Anonymous No.4505864]

>>4504867
I certainly do. I’m glad it’s slowly coming back in style, even if only slightly: https://www.vidlii.com/watch?v=vSgg1z95Rfy

[Anonymous No.4505869]

>>4504867
The early powerful 3d arcade hardware and prerendered laserdisc games show off 'low poly' the best. At the time it was actually 'high poly'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6U3WhZrVHc

[Anonymous No.4505882]

>>4504867

[Anonymous No.4505885]

>>4505882
I really don't get the reputation this game has around here. The graphics are really unappealing and the radio chatter is annoying as fuck.

[Anonymous No.4505893]

Behold, the absolute lowest of low-poly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6U3WhZrVHc

[Anonymous No.4505896]

>>4505893
Shoot, wrong video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gmvWxG2zvs8

[Anonymous No.4505904]

>>4505896
1983 and it runs at a better framerate than starfox

[Anonymous No.4505908]

>>4505885
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.4505923]

>>4505908
I didn't even get into how it plays at an awkward angle, either.

[Anonymous No.4505925]

>>4505923
Fuck off, you should just git gud and 1cc

[Anonymous No.4505961]

>>4505412
Haven't played this game in ages. Was it called Decent?

[Anonymous No.4505968]

>>4505961
Descent lol

[Anonymous No.4505978]

>>4505968
Ah thank you

[Anonymous No.4505992]

I have an opinion so controversial I'm sure even /vr/ would lynch me for it. I genuinely believe PS1 (not N64) graphics have aged better than PS2 graphics. GameCube and Xbox were a bit better as their character models were often detailed to a much greater degree than most PS2 models were (who already appeared as blocks with blurry textures vaguely resembling clothes).

I think Deus Ex's models look better than San Andreas', I also think Shenmue looks better than Yakuza. I think fucking Driver 2 is more impressive than any of the PS2 GTAs. Even back in the 2000s, I thought PS2 games looked like shit.

[Anonymous No.4505994]

>>4505992
>I genuinely believe PS1 (not N64)
Huh?

[Anonymous No.4506001]

>>4505994
That game looks very crisp, almost like a PS1, unlike most N64 games. A lot of N64 games often looked soft with very blurry textures.

[Anonymous No.4506005]

>>4505992
I think I get you, PS2 is a bit more uncanny valley material.

[Anonymous No.4506009]

>>4506001
It comes down to whether you prefer blurry textures or (heavily) pixelated ones.
I always preferred the anti-aliasing on N64, made games look smoother.
The thing that kills PS1 graphics for me is the incorrect perspective and the warping textures. Some people have nostalgia for it, but I never liked it.

[Anonymous No.4506015]

>>4506001
>That game looks very crisp, almost like a PS1
PS1 games do *not* usually look crisp. The only ones that do are those that run in medium-res mode of 512x224 or whatever, like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Soul Reaver, etc.

The VAST majority of PS1 games run in 240p like N64, and they don't look any more crisp than an N64 game does. On the other hand, virtually every single N64 game that doesn't use Expansion Pak runs at 240p.

That is the real reason people say PS1 looks crisp. Cause of the occasional use of the medium-res mode which almost never got used on N64. Everything else is cherrypicking.

[Anonymous No.4506016]

>>4506001
>almost like a PS1, unlike most N64 games
I don't think there is that much of a difference. The only reason you think PS1 is "crisp" is because of the untiltered textures, but they make graphics come out awfully, compare the face of the robot on this screen. Anti-aliasing makes the textures blurrier, but also more defined.

[Anonymous No.4506024]

>>4506016
The 64 one is a latter release though, by a few years.

[Anonymous No.4506043]

>>4506024
And it was a lazy as fuck port, might as well have been released in 1997.
But that doesn't change the fact about how textures work and why they look better (if blurrier) on N64.

[Anonymous No.4506047]

>>4505156
I can live with that.

[Anonymous No.4506304]

>>4504867
I have always liked them a lot, and look forward to the nostalgic resurgence minus the swimming vertices. I remember really liking the DS especially because any 3D on it would look like a Saturn or PSX game.

[Anonymous No.4506306]

>>4506047
frumpy Link is best Link.

[Anonymous No.4506309]

>>4505992
>Deus Ex models look better than San Andreas

I don't think there is anything controversial about this, it's simply true. Deus Ex has a nice look and sharp textures, it's aged well.

[Anonymous No.4506313]

>>4504867
Yeah but mostly because I'm a Vaporwave fanboy who loves the retro 3D aesthetic, there's something eerie yet beautiful about it

[Anonymous No.4506323]

>>4506304
I've found a patched DS emulator that fixes 3D textures and makes games like Megaman Starforce models look very pretty. Reminded me a lot of Arale and Legends.

[Anonymous No.4506326]

>>4505992
I see your point but I disagree, I'm aware that PS2 has less processing power than other consoles of the same generation but I've tried playing multi-platform games on a PS2, Gamecube and Xbox simultaneously and most of them look almost identical on all platforms

[Anonymous No.4506329]

>>4506313
>vaporwave
>20 fucking 18
Dude, everyone who had a minimal interest in that meme had now moved to the real deal (80s japanese city pop and techno kayo).
Step it up brah.

[Anonymous No.4506336]

>>4506329
Yeah, the music is kinda dying out(although Blank Banshee released a new album last year so it's certainly not dead) but the visual art is still going strong and that's what I'm more interested in any way, IMO the fact that all the obnoxious hipsters on places like Tumblr has moved on from Vaporwave is a good thing, they were a cancer on the community

[Anonymous No.4506337]

>>4506336
>visual art
You mean shit like this? >>4506313
There's only so many combinations of these assets and try to make them as non-accurate as possible to the real thing.
It's time to move on bro, it was a meme.

[Anonymous No.4506456]

>>4506016
>>4506043
The textures in Mega Man 64 don't look blurrier because of bilinear filtering - they look blurrier since the source texture on N64 is like a quarter of the PS1 resolution. The fact that it looks even remotely passable is all thanks to the bilinear filtering.

[Anonymous No.4506460]

>>4506326
>I'm aware that PS2 has less processing power than other consoles of the same generation
That's not what actual developers say though. The Gamecube was actually weaker.

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/was-gc-more-or-less-powerful-than-ps2-spawn.52550/#post-1640713

>I've tried playing multi-platform games on a PS2, Gamecube and Xbox simultaneously and most of them look almost identical on all platforms
Usually they were written for PS2 as lead platform. If programmed properly for PS2, the Gamecube version would be downgraded and/or have slowdown (e.g. SSX Tricky, THPS3), while the Xbox version would basically be the same thing with a fewer high-res textures thrown in. If programmed badly for PS2 (e.g. Sonic Heroes) then the Gamecube version would run better since that console's architecture is more friendly to badly optimized code.

[Anonymous No.4506465]

I like them when they're cartoony. When they're realistic they don't look as good.

[Anonymous No.4506470]

>>4506456
>The fact that it looks even remotely passable
It looks better than the one on PS, although not by much but at least the lines are straight

[Anonymous No.4506473]

>>4505802
>>4505809

Thanks guys!

[Anonymous No.4506476]

>>4506047

[Anonymous No.4506669]

>>4506460
>The Gamecube was actually weaker.

Actual developers like, say... Capcom?

[Anonymous No.4506684]

>>4506669
RE4 was originally a Gamecube exclusive though. It's not the right approach to determine power by looking at specific games, because depending on the circumstances of a game's development, it might not have used a system's power properly (like judging N64 based on Superman 64).

It's better to seek the opinion of professional developers who would have had experience testing a console's capabilities with dev tools.

[Anonymous No.4508108]

>>4504867
this looks like complete shit.

[Anonymous No.4508113]

>>4506313
I'm with you man. There's some vaporwave music that I really love, but the art is what makes it all come together. I've never felt such a unique connection with a visual style. Don't listen to the haters.

[Anonymous No.4508447]

>>4505032
Something about the wobbly polygons, dithered shadows and basic repeating water reflection makes this remind me of browsing the old Web before it went modern.

Back when websites were primitive and it was amazing if a page had gifs or cursor trails.

[Anonymous No.4508632]

>>4504867
tried to make a syndicate like game. Coded my own 3d engine in flash. Has no clipping :S

The car can be driven and collide with buildings. The player can leave the car and enter planes too. The idea is that you can also enter buildings. Background turns black and only inside of the building is rendered. Buildings have multiple floors. Used for missions or to rob banks. The controls are written with multiple players in mind and splitscreen. But never had time to continue it.

[Anonymous No.4508728]

>>4504867
I particularly like them because they tend to look a lot more innocent on designs like Mario and Ness as well as cooler and more mysterious on characters like Snake
call me a weirdo but I think 5th gen character models are gonna age better than a number of 6th gen ones, and it sure as fuck holds up better than 90s pre-rendered graphics

that said,everything outside of character models is more questionable. one thing I remember plaguing a lot of 5th gen games is bill-boarded 2D objects acting in 3D space, and it never looks good.

[Anonymous No.4508775]

>>4508728
>bill-boarded 2D objects acting in 3D space

[Anonymous No.4508781]

>>4508775
One of the only exceptions because that's the game's style

[Anonymous No.4508797]

I remember the crowds of WWF Wrestlemania 2000 and No Mercy >>4508728

[Anonymous No.4508819]

>>4508781
It's like the Silent Hill thing of taking "advantage" of the limitations to make an artstyle.

[Anonymous No.4509034]

>>4505992
>I think deus ex looks better than san andreas
No one ever said san andreas looked good. There are N64 games that look better than san andreas.

>Shenmue looks better than yakuza
Other than the textures of the characters in shenmue no.

[Anonymous No.4509050]

>>4508728
I think sprite shooters look good.

[Anonymous No.4509285]

>>4504867
I wonder what Rouge would have looked like in then?

[Anonymous No.4509713]

>>4509285
Looking at the difference between classic and modern Amy, I imagine there'd be some pretty significant differences. Her ears wouldn't wobble, her wings would've been flat textures, and she certainly wouldn't have had the boob wiggle. They might've gone with a more form fitting catsuit to simplify things, like a jumpsuit, but it could've still had a low neckline and a basic hourglass figure. So maybe kindof Catwoman-esque, but with bat wings. That's just my guess, though.

Amy used to be reeeally different, though, so it's totally possible Rouge could have looked nothing like her modern incarnation, had she existed back then.

[Anonymous No.4509738]

>>4509713
I forgot that Honey was Rouge before there was Rouge.

[Anonymous No.4509914]

>>4509738
She wasn't anybody before there was Rouge because nobody knew about her until hackers got a hold of the game.

[Anonymous No.4509962]

I like the look of the Jedi engine.

[Anonymous No.4509963]

>>4504867
I enjoy them a lot too

[Anonymous No.4509969]

>>4509914
Okay, then the predecessor of Rouge that never was.

[Anonymous No.4509971]

>>4506465
That could have been a yoshi game

[Anonymous No.4509974]

>>4509971
Not just a Yoshi game, a Yoshi racing game at that. But, not as Yoshis running around at track, but them driving cars.

[Anonymous No.4511905]

>>4509974
Bomberman Fantasy Race did racing yoshis better

[Anonymous No.4511910]

>>4511905
Correction: Chocobo Racing better.

[Anonymous No.4511915]

>>4511905
Correction: did Chocobo Racing better.

[Anonymous No.4511927]

>>4511905
Off-topic, but surely there's some context for this icon?

[Anonymous No.4511938]

>>4511927
Out of boost.

[Anonymous No.4511984]

>>4511927
>when you nut but she still suckin...

[Anonymous No.4511998]

>>4511927

[Anonymous No.4512000]

>>4511927
>>4511998

[Anonymous No.4512218]

Some people prefer the look of simple origami models to miniature statues and other figures. You just appreciate a different style.

[Anonymous No.4512779]

>>4505064
I personally think this generation is the ugliest, but the stylistic choice to just shadow out everyone's eyes in mgs was inspired