Which one truly had better audio?

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Anonymous Sun Dec 17 15:57:43 2017 No.4467032 [Reply] [Original]

Which one truly had better audio?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:03:38 2017 No.4467062 File: 84 KB, 200x205, arro.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >console warring >almost 2018

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:09:14 2017 No.4467090 SNES if you like samples, Genesis if you like Fart Modulation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:13:23 2017 No.4467107 Genesis was better for adrenaline-pumping action games, but the SNES was better for more "epic" orchestral-style music.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:13:47 2017 No.4467109 Way too subjective. I prefer the SNES when it comes to orchestral and acoustic sounding music. But when it comes to anything rock or hip-hop sounding, I much prefer the Genesis. It's also much better at replicating arcade sounds of that time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:16:22 2017 No.4467117 >>4467032 SNES by far, saying that as a genesisfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:18:21 2017 No.4467123 Genesis because FM synth is for patricians.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:19:26 2017 No.4467127 Gonna disagree and say that the SNES is best when it is making the exact same type of music as the Genesis. Most devs just used awful sound samples (Capcom was the worst). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkFjOS76YRw

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:25:47 2017 No.4467153 Here's a video of the best Genesis soundtracks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-sAmrGtRs

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:28:46 2017 No.4467162 >>4467032 blocks your sample-based soundchip https://youtube.com/watch?v=IPr4V1c2VqA

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:32:58 2017 No.4467174 Gonna contradict myself with good Capcom music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gzIuqLUFUo Stuff that is actually trying to sound like an orchestra on the SNES sounds really silly. Like the Opera scene from FFVI.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:34:53 2017 No.4467185 >tfw the SNES's audio chip was made by Sony, not Nintendo Nintendo can't make good audio chips.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:35:50 2017 No.4467191 >>4467185 >tfw when the SNES and Playstation audio chips were made by Sony Sony can't make good audio chips.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 17:49:30 2017 No.4467321 >>4467191 What's wrong with PlayStation audio?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 17:56:07 2017 No.4467329 >>4467032 from a technical standpoint snes from a personal standpoint genesis NEEEEXT!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:05:35 2017 No.4467345 >>4467032 SNES of course. Genesis games always sounded like a garbage disposal was left on with a fork inside.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:07:51 2017 No.4467356 >>4467032 I like them both. Although with the Genesis, I can easily plug in my stereo speaker via auxiliary cord.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:08:47 2017 No.4467359 I love the FM music and the metallic sound of the Megadrive, but honestly it's not even a contest. The SNES chip was something else: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzM_yQ_Luq8

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:37:04 2017 No.4467397 In b4 "wet farts".

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:48:39 2017 No.4467420
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>>4467032
The Zelda theme is better than anything ever released by Kendrick Lamar.
Corridors of Time is FAR superior to anything from Nickelback.
My friend, "quality" via medium is subjective. It's how you USE the medium.
You can make a single instrument sound better than an orchestra.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:57:43 2017 No.4467440 >Dick Measuring "Which Opinion is Superior" thread #131293810923812039812 Whichever one you like anon. Now fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:04:09 2017 No.4467448 >>4467127 It is still dull compared to what the Genesis can output. Genesis straight up has sharper sound than the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:26:58 2017 No.4467501 SNES if you like "high fidelity", I guess. Genesis if you actually enjoy video games and bad ass chiptunes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:27:42 2017 No.4467504 >>4467501 >high fidelity >SNES Those things don't go together...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:29:37 2017 No.4467512 >>4467501 there is nothing hi-fi about extremely low quality sampled audio

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 20:56:02 2017 No.4467698 >>4467032 SNES However when Genesis developers truly knew how to work with it the Genesis. In fact the Genesis is sort of unmatched in this regard since it has such a unique sound.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:10:32 2017 No.4467727 >>4467321 Nothing. He is a faggot.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 06:59:53 2017 No.4468489

Snes is better is used fully to max extent
Mega Drive generally sounds good because most devs are more used to it. Examples:
Snes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbWxBwTLGQs&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPVU4jwkFHM&index=13&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ipa94sLlQ&index=15&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hkGd8x-6o&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_51w2HF2feA&index=26&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNXgtQ2-GBk&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psp9lxereGk&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTGoIzHUs_A&index=36&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiEfain5LM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RVZVtuMn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3fo9KSB9h0&list=PLF4AB0AA962A9E658&index=9

Mega Drive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqJQxWgOjJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqAXo4FLMEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuGNzc56zqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BajRiVXGbwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXkTO85z0E&index=4&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qnt1GNFiRg&index=5&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1EUvG1WdfI&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkiIXuzoSaE&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT&index=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic7I9t33Al4&index=26&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwy-NCy70FE&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT&index=27

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 07:02:36 2017 No.4468491 >>4467032 That OP picture and variants of it should result in a fucking permaban.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 07:49:29 2017 No.4468542 >>4468489 >those wagyan paradise songs what the FUCK

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 09:17:23 2017 No.4468653 Genesis has more sound channels, and has much more (technological) versatility in its channels. That being said, the SNES is the master of PCM sample sound, and you can do a fuckload of good stuff with that. It’s too hard. Can’t we call it a draw?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 09:22:04 2017 No.4468660 >>4467032 I Guess technically the snes. But the genesis had better osts imo. Too many games abused the trumpet on the snes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 10:47:26 2017 No.4468769 >>4467062 Till the end of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 11:39:22 2017 No.4468837 >>4467032 Genesis games that didn't used shit GEMS or just flat Furniss

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:05:08 2017 No.4468887

>>4467032
Quality-wise, the Genesis ofcourse. It had a built in Yamaha synthesizer. The SNES relied on low quality samples of synthesizers and other instruments.
Also, nobody makes SNES "chiptune", but plenty of FM synth for the Genesis is still being made. Sega won in the long run.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:09:01 2017 No.4468897
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Genesis had the most cool factor IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpWRkjYvXv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhYA4cvxUuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgBvQ57glHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma5WDLsLf-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgJPeRQE6Z8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDrsPsCkM_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQbTe6h1xRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJVuRTIIS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luTlm7Pc1Ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvszxdJNvtE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ3FDZL9sFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t60xwq6WfYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFSF6RhFJak

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:27:42 2017 No.4468931

SNES, there is no contest.
If you make electronic music, you just know that an Akai MPC opens up a lot more possibilities than a Yamaha DX7 and a square wave generator, because you can sample these two with the former, and much much more.

>>4468837
>this meme again
Please, give me one technical reason why GEMS was shit.
The music of Toe Jam & Earl and Earthworm Jim was made with it. Tommy Tallarico said it was great because you could hook up your MIDI keyboard or Cubase ST to your Genesis to compose with it, instead of having fiddle with trackers or a DSL like MML.
The main reason why Genesis games using GEMS had bad music is because most people sucks at programming FM synths and they relied on shitty presets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:33:36 2017 No.4468941 File: 52 KB, 1160x499, 1ppi4p.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4467359 >Unknowingly uses a remastered soundtrack >To show the superior sound of the SNES chip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOHthjfu9m0

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:38:40 2017 No.4468952 File: 311 KB, 483x701, c44.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0pP6Voq9Ys

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:41:05 2017 No.4468957 >>4467090 The "Fart Modulation" argument came out from the Nintendo cherry-picking NeoGAF forum. I would suggest you pay them a visit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:44:46 2017 No.4468961 File: 53 KB, 710x710, urG0JVB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No samples. Just 5 FM channels. This is what pure sex sounds like in 16-bit audio form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DXTDo1vVQM

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:47:35 2017 No.4468965 >>4468961 Sounds like something straight outta Gran Turismo Sports

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:51:39 2017 No.4468974 >>4468961 Pretty nice tune, but I don't think you can make hihat sounds like this with FM synthesis. It has to use the noise channel of the SN76489.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:55:03 2017 No.4468976 >>4468974 I know for a fact that Time Trax doesn't use the SN76489 at all for music. Follin also said somewhere that he could never be bothered with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:59:54 2017 No.4468983 >>4468491 I thonk everyone including if not especially you will be happier if you find a different site to post on

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 13:03:35 2017 No.4468990 Why is this guy so good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alIUD-CSpqE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMVejnk5bvs

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 13:05:19 2017 No.4468993 >>4468976 Well shit, you are right, that's quite impressive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 13:19:13 2017 No.4469013 >>4467062 Each time I think it’s gone, when I close my eyes it comes howling back. The war will never end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:10:50 2017 No.4469075 >>4467109 except for streetfighter 2. Have you heard how bad that sounds on the megadrive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:12:41 2017 No.4469078 One’s audio sounded like farts, one’s did not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:23:34 2017 No.4469087 >>4469075 Super's music sounded pretty bad, but the original was fine on Mega Drive (and overall better than the SNES version arguably). The voices were pretty bad though, but somebody fixed that with a patch that works on real consoles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:25:26 2017 No.4469091 >>4468897 I think Genesis wins on Thunder Force IV alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:26:31 2017 No.4469093 File: 382 KB, 500x306, impact.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLF6yYtS4bE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ReqfFpMG4E Let's see a Geneshit game sound as good as THIS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:29:01 2017 No.4469101 File: 1.02 MB, 360x256, uuuhhh.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4467032 snes, both in music and sound effects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgMejJemU8k

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:29:25 2017 No.4469102 File: 103 KB, 640x892, 47717_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Genesis worked better for Shmup games, but all-in-all the SNES had better sound

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:34:22 2017 No.4469108

>>4467032
In the hands of people who know what the hell they doing both are fine.
But overall the SNES had a lot more competent third party and with that you get people who know how to make non shit music.
Compare generic soul less shovelware game music from the genesis and the snes and they both sound absolutely horrendous. People tend to forgot how awful the SNES can sound https://youtu.be/4aMPzoEsMoU

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:41:54 2017 No.4469120 >>4469093 If anybody linked you something from Genesis you'd just say "b-b-but it doesn't sound like sample-based music therefore it sucks"

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 14:49:45 2017 No.4469137 >>4469087 It's true what you say about the voice samples, they were shockingly bad. I remeber playing sf2 on snes and then buying it for megedrive when it eventually came out - and being really dissapointed by the voice sampling.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 15:16:52 2017 No.4469171

PC Engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jcdiSG1uVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nY7nH1UeMM&list=PLzFTGYa_evXgnxNqitkP86ZIJWjQOwZbD&index=22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVKv-hywSgc&index=34&list=PLzFTGYa_evXi_6YdvCo9gHIeHxSNkeEBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Pm178ITls&index=5&list=PLLT7eg4yuZKx-Zxk_hT1FPkY1_P_aa_2g

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 15:23:00 2017 No.4469187 >>4469171 patrician taste, agreed 100%

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 15:31:59 2017 No.4469220 In my uneducated opinion the MD/GEN chip seems better for doing straight up electronic/rock music with how bassy and heavy it sounds, while the SNES chip seems to be able to do more complex stuff for fake orchestral tunes without hacks

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 15:32:14 2017 No.4469221 >>4468961 >No samples. Just 5 FM channels. When you don't use the DAC, you have 6 FM channels. With clever coding, you could disable the DAC with critical timing, and that could theoretically get you 10 overall channels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 15:53:10 2017 No.4469279 >>4467090 pick up the real genesis and not the shit model 2 if you want to actually make an argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:07:44 2017 No.4469302 >>4469078 >>4467090 go back to neogaf

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:25:44 2017 No.4469339 Why not for a change post the worst you can think of?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:31:09 2017 No.4469358 >>4469339 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHNuJB86-bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCpcuoZpgfk

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:33:34 2017 No.4469363

SNES, this shouldn't even be a question.

It was a fucking Miracle that the Genesis had any games with good music in it because it mostly sounded like the shitty "electric guitar" on a 5 dollar children's keyboard and the Gameboy Advance trumpets from pokemon but worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:35:01 2017 No.4469367 >>4469363 >I don't know anything about composition or synthesis, now let me tell you about composition and synthesis

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:37:07 2017 No.4469373 >>4469279 That said rev 3 and 4 of the model 2 (the one with the smaller board) had damn near the same audio as the good model 1, and no jailbar issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:38:29 2017 No.4469379 >>4467109 This is exactly how I feel too. For cyberpunk synth, nothing rocks as hard as the genesis. For orchestral or softer stuff, snes rules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:41:43 2017 No.4469392 >>4469363 SNES just sounds like a 5$ honky-tonk Piano MIDI keyboard with flat notes and no velocity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:47:28 2017 No.4469401 Both consoles had some really good music, but for me the Genesis https://youtu.be/1K1rV9kFs6I https://youtu.be/oZLW7wAhytY https://youtu.be/BhFHQeDnJ5 https://youtu.be/Unh2dAEHtZo

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:48:59 2017 No.4469406

>>4468931
>Please, give me one technical reason why GEMS was shit.
>This is a meme cause i said so girl!

Dude, most american developed genny games used that shit driver cause it had a tracker, cause making good sounding FM requieres programming and not looking at a tracker to see what you were doing, this is how most japanese musicians worked.

What is a meme is hearing the awful scratchy emulator recordings yesterday and proffesor g. awful rips, that gave the impression of ear rape.

Even the "best'' sounding gems titles still sound phony compared to the most basic of japanese sound drivers.

Gems soundtracks: (with that WhhuuuuEEEIIIUUUWWWM sound.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ghsIQhMlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFSZoe0N3zs

Now for some good genesis soundtracks

(terribly bloated and dated as fuck RPG, but nice OST)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb7LvHpOy98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxrllRDbrNc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQT4jTrM4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_uDrhVPnDo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krefLbKGVV0

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:51:29 2017 No.4469412 >>4469406 and Genesis music's MAGNUM OPUS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46-mGN1D9z8

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 17:20:55 2017 No.4469472 File: 67 KB, 485x700, bitch what.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4469093 >using Goemon to console-war shitpost

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:06:20 2017 No.4469698 Genesis is superior by miles

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:11:25 2017 No.4469712 Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHoFLQr__WQ SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heJRChpKHTQ For me, it's the Genesis the best soundchip

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:17:22 2017 No.4469730 File: 645 KB, 673x464, 1495239349961.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CzkswHHxQI

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:27:29 2017 No.4469763

>>4469075
As awful as the samples were, the Genesis version is a lot beefier sounding than the SNES one and its farting brass sounds. It's a lot closer to the original arcade music, although not as good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOzTMFB7mng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vMbK25Y7Ag&pbjreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlWDX9kDzsY

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:30:48 2017 No.4469778 >>4467032 Both of them sound like ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 20:06:25 2017 No.4469861 Genesis, not even contestino!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 21:36:30 2017 No.4470097 >>4469171 >oedo 808 There was a game of that? I've got some of the VHS tapes around somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 21:40:20 2017 No.4470104 >>4467032 Super metroid

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 21:40:40 2017 No.4470105 File: 14 KB, 450x300, godmode music dot png dot jpeg dot bitmap.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] just stopping by to see if anyone wants to listen to some superior redbook audio. if not then that's cool just stay normie. cya

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 21:43:51 2017 No.4470110 >>4467032 Genesis for sound, the SNES is better all together though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:03:18 2017 No.4470147 >>4469093 The first one sounds like shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:07:47 2017 No.4470165 >>4470147 Okay, then how about the credits theme? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz99sjpRzQg

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:09:53 2017 No.4470171 >>4470165 Still just alright, Goemon 4 really has better instruments, probably some of the best on the SFC

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:11:29 2017 No.4470175 File: 146 KB, 640x343, Goe1348816707399.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4469093 Don't use Goemon as console war ammo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 22:56:20 2017 No.4470251 >>4469221 No, it literally only uses 5 channels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 23:02:40 2017 No.4470260 >>4470251 Are you talking about Time trax or MD music in general?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 23:09:32 2017 No.4470273 Genesis wins all the way

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 23:32:20 2017 No.4470303 >>4469093 why are all goemon fanboys absolutely retarded?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:18:13 2017 No.4470351 >>4469302 braaaaaap

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:24:27 2017 No.4470361 >>4470351 pleb

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:36:44 2017 No.4470384 File: 153 KB, 1366x768, 1460347124-a5b6f2b93e7b393d857c444e6d0fb0a6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4470351 Haha, yes. Very clever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 00:59:29 2017 No.4470417 >>4470303 is that a goemon reference?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 01:04:52 2017 No.4470426 File: 40 KB, 504x332, logo[1].gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B6O3qVhhDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y00y5r0V1fk

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 01:05:56 2017 No.4470429 Genesis had cd audio. Snes can fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 01:06:23 2017 No.4470430 >>4470426 Both sound like shit

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 01:58:42 2017 No.4470505

The Genesis is an electric guitar. It's a versatile, distinctive, and great-sounding instrument, unbeatable at the type of music it's designed for. But it's never going to be a violin or flute or a piano no matter how hard you try. It's always unmistakably, unapologetically an electric guitar. And that's just fine.

The SNES is a MIDI keyboard. It'll do a decent enough approximation of a myriad of different instruments, never sounding quite as good as the real thing, but easy to use, flexible, and suitable for any type of music you can possibly imagine.

Which is better? Neither. They both have their place and can sound incredible in the right hands.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 02:28:51 2017 No.4470529 The genesis had better music even before the SNES came out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekCndckJfU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSkI0VkQm1I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadfHTCan1Q

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 02:32:14 2017 No.4470535 >>4467127 That sounds like shit compared to either the arcade or the genesis port, bad bass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 02:58:55 2017 No.4470569 >>4470505 >piano Sor has some ok ones >flute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGDTh5Lz9Q

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:15:33 2017 No.4470589 >>4470569 >What is a metaphor?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:22:48 2017 No.4470598 sonic 3, nuff said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:24:54 2017 No.4470605 File: 69 KB, 426x532, 19429524_267580843716881_5210567032591876096_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4470569 >whistle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6ybCTPICtg >organ/piano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em-bUXcfZ7s

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:30:51 2017 No.4470613 >>4469412 You know, I clicked this link fully expecting it to be a shitpost, linking to Crazy Bus or something terrible. I'm glad my cynicism was put in check. Good shit, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:40:35 2017 No.4470620 >>4470589 a wrong metaphor, it sucks at strings but it can do a variety of instruments just ok

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:43:39 2017 No.4470624 >>4470260 Time Trax. Follin literally used half the channels and yet produced pure gold.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:50:02 2017 No.4470629

>>4468931
>an Akai MPC opens up a lot more possibilities than a Yamaha DX7 and a square wave generator, because you can sample these two with the former
Uhh except since it’s a sample it’ll never be as sharp as the real thing since quality is lost in the resampling (particularly on a low memory system like SNES)? Also the SNES is very limited on how you can modify the sound of a sample. You can’t adjust its timbre on the fly for example. Hence it will never match a real-time synth.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 04:24:29 2017 No.4470672

>>4468931
>Akai MPC opens up a lot more possibilities than a Yamaha DX7

thats like comparing a hammer to a circular saw. Both tools are intended for completely different jobs.

also, being an old audiofag,

>Akai MPC

Was extremely limited for processing & effects. It attained legendary status for its quantising algorithm & the pads more than anything, which is why it became such a staple of 90's hiphop.

You could do infinitely more on an Akai S3000xl
or S5000 as far as processing & mangling sounds. If you had mentioned one of those you might have had something.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 04:39:40 2017 No.4470689

>>4470629
>Uhh except since it’s a sample it’ll never be as sharp as the real thing since quality is lost in the resampling

The MPC is analogue. Theres a damn good reason modern studios still keep around akai & emu samplers as well as digital. No digital plugin has got close to how good a decent analogue sampler sounds to this day.

The closest by far is TAL sampler which has some incredibly complex programming behind it to simulate old circuits but its still not as good as the real thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 04:43:13 2017 No.4470696 >>4470097 Just an adventure game where it mostly comes to talking to NPCs

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 12:10:51 2017 No.4471174 >>4469730 Damn, I like it, Anon. Well played.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 12:18:22 2017 No.4471183 >>4468961 To be fair, Tim Follin is a genius

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 12:20:33 2017 No.4471187 >>4470689 Surely all samplers are digital. Unless you count the Mellotron and look how unwieldy that was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 13:31:35 2017 No.4471265 Having been a kid during the 90s and not owning both a SNES and a MD must have been kind of shitty.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 13:34:11 2017 No.4471270

>>4471265
Sega pulled support for it when they released the Saturn. I was really into SNES around 1995-96, and Genesis was not getting big releases anymore, while SNES was getting some of its best games. I never bothered to get into the system until much later because it just wasn't a big factor around where I was. Only games I played for it back in the day were Sonic 1-3 (great), Goldenaxe (great), and Sonic 3d blast (terrible).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 14:30:20 2017 No.4471356 >>4471187 He's probably thinking about the actual audio signal path, but early MPCs get their 'sound' because of their low sample rate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 14:59:40 2017 No.4471414 >>4467032 Genesis soundchip was hard to use but if it was done well the games sounded much cleaner and much more punchy than the SNES. SNES had better composers though, I just hate the low quality weak sounding samples.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:02:02 2017 No.4471419 >>4471265 Who really gives a shit tho I feel guilty for even playing games

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:48:53 2017 No.4471593 >>4467032 Genesis. You'd have to be a retarded piece of shit to not be able to recognize it.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:54:30 2017 No.4471603

>>4468489
misses this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZLEZGcOYc&index=6&list=PL-vD6rIjXrcIc-Bu_SWEIousROaiKktp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fMaOKWhZyI&index=8&list=PL-vD6rIjXrcIc-Bu_SWEIousROaiKktp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCBv1ch5nqw&list=PL-vD6rIjXrcIc-Bu_SWEIousROaiKktp8&index=11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL4TD-5J7FY

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:55:06 2017 No.4471606 >>4471265 Owning just a Genesis and then skipping SNES right to Playstation and N64 was perfect. So glad I wasn't a fullbore nintendo faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:55:53 2017 No.4471608 >>4471593 yeah great argument dude

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:03:24 2017 No.4471628 3DO looking at other console like a garbage Hahahah(no)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:03:36 2017 No.4471629 >>4471606 >missing out on half of the best generation in gaming >thinks he did the right thing MY FUCKING SIDES

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:09:32 2017 No.4471645 >>4471629 >SNES >good This is what Nintendildos unironically believe...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:22:54 2017 No.4471672 >>4471645 >nintendildos Hi Australia. It's strange how you're attracted to console war threads, like flies to turds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:24:45 2017 No.4471675 >>4471606 You're a fullbore console war faggot, which is worse. Idorts = gods. You = mortal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:03:03 2017 No.4471726 >>4471629 Not a console war faggot. I consistently had every platform after 1995-1996. Only just started with a solo Genesis, that's it. The only ones I never had were a Saturn and an SNES

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:04:05 2017 No.4471727 >>4471726 Meant for >>4471675

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:05:55 2017 No.4471730 >>4471726 To be honest, if there was one generation that was worth being an idort, it was 4th gen.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 18:11:36 2017 No.4471738

>>4471730
Agreed. I was a Nintendo kid but exploring the Mega Drive library for the first time a few years back was a ton of fun. Getting into the PC Engine recently and didn't realize how much I was missing there, either. Those truly were the golden years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:55:53 2017 No.4471885 >>4471730 True. 5th gen also has some nice oddities but as a whole it could've been a lot better, what with both Sega and Nintendo spilling all their spagil in the face of Sony's absolute domination.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 00:17:50 2017 No.4472253 >>4471603 Puyo sounds better on Genesis imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZQaa4yYrk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2bDFRi4Q-U

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 00:19:20 2017 No.4472257 >>4471603 SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCBv1ch5nqw Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uADNaPzxL60

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:06:01 2017 No.4472335 >>4467032 SNES if you wanted something that sounded close to real instruments Genesis if you wanted vidya music

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:39:36 2017 No.4472393 >>4472253 >>4472257 also the MD version is arcade perfect except for the voice samples

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:42:03 2017 No.4472395 >>4472335 >SNES if you wanted something that sounded close to real instruments Have you ever heard a real instrument?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:01:24 2017 No.4472410 File: 14 KB, 320x224, gauntlet-iv-usa-europe-enja-september-1993.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eja9CQ8PUfc

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:11:23 2017 No.4472415 NEOGEO GO GO GALO SENGEN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyCSyChXZaE

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:32:55 2017 No.4472445 >>4472410 FUCK YEAH GAUNTLET IV my absolute favorite track is Fire Starter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRP6WL74G6k

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 07:01:42 2017 No.4472703 File: 308 KB, 492x419, 1508552635551.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4470620

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 07:26:50 2017 No.4472724 >>4467090 I'll never get this. Legit half the sound effects for SMW sound like farts. Nothing Ive played on Mega Drive sound like farts

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 09:34:09 2017 No.4472841 File: 25 KB, 538x251, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_CeQp-NVkSw

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 09:41:14 2017 No.4472852 >>4472724 Nintendo and drones love weird samples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EubyfsiWQQ FM it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD4nHIF3Jrc

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 09:42:39 2017 No.4472857 File: 54 KB, 1024x575, nec_pc9821as2_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CeQp-NVkSw

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 10:42:56 2017 No.4472919 >>4472852 Why are Segay always so buthurt?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:06:33 2017 No.4473560 let me guess most, if not all the genesis posts in this thread aren't from hardware recordings and the PCM channel sounds like shit as a result

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:09:34 2017 No.4473565 >>4472724 because of shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO_Ha1H5Xk

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:16:10 2017 No.4473572 stop fucking giving him attention.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:34:05 2017 No.4473596 File: 32 KB, 484x361, 12046831_892416794129337_3837966608751329183_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] average snes game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWD3z0_bK-Q average genesis game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkrf_7taDfw

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 19:39:58 2017 No.4473878 >>4472703 nice selfportrait

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 20:02:15 2017 No.4473909

>>4467032
SNES is way, way easier and overall more flexible. The downside is that you have only 64kB of sound RAM to work with, which is appallingly small for storing all of the samples you need in a tune.
Genesis has one clear advantage: because it's an actual synth chip, you can get more dynamic timbres that change over time and the lot, and it's a lot crisper than the SNES's low-quality 4-bit ADPCM (16-bit output range) samples. Tones that needed to be held for an extended period of time were much, much better off on Genesis.

>>4467127
except that's demonstrably worse

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 20:09:19 2017 No.4473920 >>4473909 The reason you listed is why I prefer FM synth to the SNES one, you just get more expresiveness out of that, the loss is pretty noticeable in some SNES ports from FM arcade games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:40:35 2017 No.4474095 genesis

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:59:26 2017 No.4474134

>>4467185
>Nintendo can't make good audio chips
but they got sony and some awesome technician, who was sick of hearing the same shit (hi sega fanboys) and decided to make a better chip.

>>4467321
nothing wrong at all. that anon is just a moron.

>>4468489
>Snes is better is used fully to max extent
>Mega Drive generally sounds good because most devs are more used to it

that's not even close to being remotely true. what a load of nonsense. the spc700 is technically superior over the YM chip in every single way. only sad sega fanboys can't see this. the spc could generate its own effects on samples in real time using its own CPU without having the SNES to wait for it. it could play back a few hundred kb of adpcm compressed 16bit samples from 64kb of ram. sega could only dream of that. they had nothing that came close to it for home use, not until sega cd/32x arrived.

megadrive is a poor man's version of their early arcade system boards from the mid 80s, minus the ram, extra graphical abilities, cheap ym chip, etc. ;)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:11:05 2017 No.4474156 >>4472410 That's the best thing I've ever heard

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:14:27 2017 No.4474169 File: 181 KB, 164x213, dWjZ6.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMnI3cUTlvk

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:16:09 2017 No.4474171 >>4467032 SNES of course. Just compare the same game, like Zombies Ate My Neighbors ost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:21:17 2017 No.4474176 >>4474171 >GEMS fuck off

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:23:09 2017 No.4474180 >>4474134 >only sad sega fanboys funny coming from a retarded snes fanboy

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:30:23 2017 No.4474196 >>4467032 All Sega console never had good audio quality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:41:49 2017 No.4474221 File: 3 KB, 452x480, 1511089166430.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4474134 >thinking technical superiority is everything >actually believing that muffled samples are objectively superior to patrician 4-op FM

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 22:46:32 2017 No.4474230 >>4474196 Saturn's sound chip is pretty great, and better than PSX's.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:00:05 2017 No.4474243 File: 2.63 MB, 720x404, 1487571808767.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >arcade https://youtu.be/qPqOJBVSweQ >snes https://youtu.be/Y1Rx10J0BoM >genesis https://youtu.be/vVcgkhQrPoQ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:22:20 2017 No.4474269 >>4467032 >console has a literal headphone jack and volume slider on it I dunno you tell me

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 23:31:48 2017 No.4474282 >>4474243 Ugh, the SNES version sounds like shit

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 02:06:59 2017 No.4474458

>>4474230
Shame Sega had to fuck it up and not include hardware ADPCM support on the Saturn. Which means that sound effects on Saturn usually have to be up-pitched to make them smaller so they can fit into the sound RAM.

Sega also fucked up the Genesis' PCM sound support. They didn't implement proper interrupt support, which is the reason voice samples on Genesis usually sound like shit. The only way around it is to use pretty much to use all of the Z80 co-processors power for processing voices, which is inefficient.

Dreamcast was finally when Sega finally managed to implement a sound chip 100% perfectly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 04:43:12 2017 No.4474608 >>4474134 I'm just saying that looking at the library a lot of devs either had difficulty or didn't really bother trying to compose something technically good for the snes

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 08:58:46 2017 No.4474796

I think it's worth mentioning that in theory, you can recreate any possible sound with an FM synth, like what Genesis has. As long as you tune the FM parameters sufficiently (though Genesis is limited to 4 operators which is a definitely a reasonable amount but not big compared to a true professional chip).

But therein lies the problem. An FM synth gives the composer an incredible amount of control, for better or for worse. Badly set instrument parameters will sound like shit. Like robot farts, even. While well set parameters will produce good recreations of instruments. It's easier to tune the parameters right to reproduce certain instruments - electric guitar is a given, but more natural sounds like windpipes are trickier.

The SNES's sound chip tried to make the process a lot easier. Just record a real instrument, turn it into a sample, and play it back at different pitches, throw in some reverb too. It's undoubtedly "more advanced" technology, but it comes with some drawbacks. The samples are memory limited, which means they can sound muffled and fuzzy. Also, the instrument parameters can't be greatly modified on the fly since the instrument sound is 'baked' into the sample. By contrast, a well parametered FM instrument will always be as clear and sharp as the real thing.

If you keep up with aeronautics, it's like this: Genesis is Boeing and SNES is Airbus. Airbus plane controls use "more advanced" technology - fly by wire controls - where pilots don't control the plane, they just input 'suggestions' into the autopilot. It means it's harder to fuck up, since the plane's computer keeps things under control. But in case of emergency, a pilots abilities can't really shine. Meanwhile Boeing gives pilots full control - they can fuck up hard, but they can also pull amazing maneuvers off that can't be done on the competition.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 09:22:41 2017 No.4474821
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>>4467032
let's be honest, it's not subjective, Snes had clearly superior audio, the Megadrive sounded incredibly metallic.
For this reason, though, futuristic musics with synth sounded great on Megadrive. All of the rest was clearly better on snes

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 09:25:18 2017 No.4474823 >>4467032 ohhh, not enough exp with genesis to make an informed opinion on it, but >>4474821 sounds like they know what they're talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 10:55:42 2017 No.4474956 https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLB2F851D9F7D4378F&params=OAFIAVgB&v=bB7SN_zUycI&mode=NORMAL Do I need to say more?

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 23:14:39 2017 No.4476005

Anyone that's worked with music trackers knows that the snes's sample limit of 64k with 4bit ADPCM is not a daunting number. That's similar to 128k worth of 8bit PCM, albeit lossy. You can make solid-sounding music in far less space.The only reason for a SNES game to sound muffled is if the developer opts to treat their melodic instruments like drums rather than wavetables, which utterly neuters the clarity and diversity of said sample. Even worse if they try to win back said diversity using multiple samples, which I'm sure they often did. This presents a fairly low skill ceiling for getting a certain instrument to sound, but a much higher one for making it sound correct and clean without eating the sample memory.

tl;dr a singular pitfall is responsible for the bulk of snes games sounding muffled, but someone that knows how to do it the right way will not have that problem.

case and point, a wonderful use of wavetable synthesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRHyH824KIM

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