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4462185 No.4462185 [Reply] [Original]

Why is it so despised?

>> No.4462189

Itt's just over hyped and did not age well. I get super bored every time I try to finish this. I actually enjoyed mother 1 more.

>> No.4462201

>>4462185
The game itself it's pretty mediocre even for its time, but the cherry on top for me is that fans of the game tend to praise it as the second coming of Jesus.

>> No.4462204

>>4462185
The fan base is utter garbage.

>> No.4462209

>>4462185
>people gladly willing to pay $200 for a copy
>one of the most popularly bootlegged games
>spurned demand for the previous game and the sequel
>best jrpg on the snes, nes, and gba
>despised
Good joke friendo

>> No.4462212

>>4462185

Memetale ruined its reputation

>> No.4462225

>>4462212
Hipsters and resellers trashed its reputation way before that.

>> No.4462230

the fact that you can remove most enemies from the screen by going back and forth is nice, as are the insta-wins against weak scrubs
otherwise it's a rather unremarkable DQ clone that has for some reason amassed a rabid following

>> No.4462239

>>4462212
nigga u dumb

The Earthbound fanbase was terrible even before Undertale came out.

That said, should a game's fanbase really dictate how you feel about said game? Earthbound is a good game (and so is Undertale, for that matter). Yeah, neither should be considered the greatest games of all time, and they get a disproportionate amount of praise by a very vocal minority, but who cares? If you refuse to enjoy something because someone you don't like enjoys it as well, you're only depriving yourself of nice things out of spite.

>> No.4462240

>>4462209
See what i am talking about?
>Best JRPG on the fucking SNES of all places he says.

>> No.4462245

>>4462185
People who don't come here like it, so it's shit.

>> No.4462249

It's boring

>> No.4462258

>>4462249
Even for that genre of game, it's boring. Not bad, just slow and uninteresting.

>> No.4462263

The fanbase is despised not the game.

>> No.4462269

>>4462239
>The Earthbound fanbase was terrible even before Undertale came out.

Truth. I hung around starmen.net from '99 to '02. The pure toxicity of the people slowly but surely repelled me away and I havent looked back since.

>> No.4462285

>>4462258
I'm currently playing through it and it's just ok. Some parts I find really fun but others are a grind. Maybe this game was overhyped for me. I still plan to finish it

>> No.4462334

Earthbound was never good. MAYBE if we'd gotten Mother 1 in the US there would have been enough of an existing fanbase to sell the game but there wasn't and literally cases and cases of brand new copies sat in warehouses for years. It's the ultimate example of video game market manipulation and if you love it the statistics strongly suggest you're dumb.

>> No.4462408

>>4462185
It's popular. That's all it takes.

>> No.4462457

Contrarianism. Flat out.

>> No.4462458

>>4462334
>you're dumb if you like x because obviously you've been manipulated into merely THINKING you enjoy it rather than actually enjoying it based on its merits
delete your tripcode bitch!

>> No.4462459

>>4462185
I guess people get bored of seeing others hyping the game so much while they don't enjoy it as much. Overexposure

>> No.4462467

>>4462185
It's not. People are just sick of gearing about how much of a hidden gem it is when everyone has known about it for years now.

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>> No.4462473

>>4462457
This. I see legitimate complaints here and there, the game isn't perfect at all for sure. You can see most people who go on about hating popular titles on this board just want to feel "above the hype" in their special internet club

>> No.4462474

>>4462285
I can't get past the camera guy. Who's idea was it to implement a feature that completely halts your game?

>> No.4462480

>>4462470
>but then, some of it just kind of lies there
What kind of critique is that?

>> No.4462482

>>4462474
Boy, if that bothers you, never play any 5th gen CD-based RPG. Loading times between battles will drive you mad.

>> No.4462485

>>4462474
This board loves PlayStation jRPGs with long ass loading screens and unskippable animations in battle

>> No.4462486

>>4462474
Who? That much is obvious. It was fuzzy pickles

>> No.4462487

>>4462482
I'll admit, I avoided the PSX HARD growing up. Except Bishi Bashi. That shit was crack to me

>> No.4462491

>>4462470

>How many times can you play a game this big and slow?

This really is a fair one, unless you keep stocked on the Skip Sandwiches moving is just really slow. Emulator fast forwards definitely changed my experience of this game for the better but it's not a legit feature of the game so worth taking into consideration. Mother 3 really fixed the pacing

>> No.4462497

>>4462491
Is Earthbound even considered a long RPG? I think it ranks between the 20 to 30 hours, maybe 40. That's pretty tame compared to most other really popular RPGs, especially those on PS1 with long cutscenes, loading times, etc.
I can understand a guy in 1995, before PS1 RPGs existed, to think that Earthbound was long... but then again, classic RPGs like Dragon Quest III or FF VI are way longer.

>> No.4462506

>>4462497
it's not long, it's slow

>> No.4462512

>>4462506
I think compared to many other classic RPGs, Earthbound's pacing is fairly alright, it doesn't really have that many open-ended areas and you just go from city to city in a streamlined way, even though it gives the illusion of being kind of "Open world" like Mother 1.
But yeah it could have used a run button like Mother 3 or the Mother 1 english proto/GBA port.

>> No.4462520

>>4462458
What I said was that if you LOVE it, chances are you're dumb. Your poor reading comprehension and reactionary attitude do little to indicate otherwise.

Consider the Squaresoft RPGs released before and after, Final Fantasy 6 and Chrono Trigger. Earthbound looks and plays like a much older game. Its story and humor are childish. It's just simply and objectively not very good.

>> No.4462537

>>4462520
>Its story and humor are childish
Gramps, I generally don't hate you as much as most other /vr/ users, but it's really ironic of you to say that.

>> No.4462541

>>4462520
>childish humor
Is there any other RPG (or video game) that makes fun of snobbish new age people? I don't think a kid could really enjoy that sort of thing, because kids aren't really aware of what snobbism is.

>> No.4462542

>>4462506
The very fact that it doesn't have random encounters and you don't actually have to fight weaker enemies makes it breeze by at lightning speed compared to the vast majority of turn based RPGs of the time

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>> No.4462597

It's one of those games where the backlash against it being overrated has gone so far the other way that it's now underrated again. A pretty common trend for retro games.

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>>4462597
Agreed. It's mid to sub-par and probably has an appeal to certain players who play it at a certain point in their lives but the IDEA of it has grown so much bigger than the game itself it's probably best just forgotten.

>> No.4462613

>>4462607
>agreed
>proceeds to overreact saying Earthbound should be forgotten
Reading comprehension.

>> No.4462637

>>4462185
It's not. /vr/ contrarians are the only reason.

>> No.4463283

>>4462474
Have you finished the game yet?

You get to see all your photos at the end and remember what you accomplished

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>>4462185
The fanbase is annoying but really it's mostly because it is representative of everything terrible about the retro gaming market. Its price is bloated due to scalpers, it was a popular game for "pseudo intellectual" hipsters who bought a copy and put it on a shelf to look at, and it has been an easy game for youtubers to use as click bait for "L@@K RARE FIND" videos.

Personally it's my favorite game ever made honestly and I myself even spent $220 on a copy of it. All it really is is a dragon quest clone with a retro sci fi look and some silly dialouge but that really appeals to me personally.

>> No.4463414

it's so boring. i like its quirkiness but the gameplay is just so grindy and honestly not good

it feels like you need to totally rely on the rng of magic butterflies, and allies starting at level 0 is cancerous since they're always dying

>> No.4463417

>>4463352
Why do people call it a dragon quest clone when it plays nothing like dragon quest outside of having first person turned based battles, which are still very different from dq.

>> No.4463549

>>4463417
>which are still very different from dq.
Aside from the non-instant HP reduction, how are they different from DQ's? I mean you're truly the first person I've ever seen try and argue that EB ISN'T like Dragon Quest.

>> No.4463568

>>4463417
>copied all the mechanics from dragon quest
>is very different from DQ

>> No.4463625

>>4463568
What mechanics? The same turn based battle system every other game uses? And even that system works differently from DQ as it is rhythm based. Or maybe you're talking about the dragon quest class system mechanics that it copied or monster collecting that it copied? No that's not there. Perhaps it uses a similar inventory and item management system? That's radically different also. Maybe you're talking about the "mechanics" of it being a top down 2D RPG where you interact with the world through an action button. In that case it copied every single other rpg ever made.

>> No.4463626

>>4463549
I've never seen anybody put forward an argument as to why it's like DQ other than the battle window looks similar. Nothing about the core gameplay is the same as a DQ experience, from how one would grind, to how one traverses the world and world map, to what class system and monster collecting, they are nothing like one another.

>> No.4463631

>>4463626
Itoi has literally said Mother 1 came about after he played Dragon Quest III and thought "I wonder if I can make one of these". DQ served as a huge inspiration.

>> No.4463634

Mother 3 on tbe other hand is god-tier

>> No.4463636

it's hated because it's popular. "normies" like it, so incels and other 4chan contrarians will say it's overrated, a meme game, shit, etc..
if EarthBound was a hidden gem, /vr/ would be cumming buckets over it

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>>4462201
>The game itself it's pretty mediocre even for its time, but the cherry on top for me is that fans of the game tend to praise it as the second coming of Jesus.
>>4462185
>Why is it so despised?

I think it was a bit "edgy" when it came out. Jokes were out of the ordinary, and it was just absurd. You called your work-a-holic dad to save the game lol. My buddy had the boxed set, and we all played the crap out of it. At the end of the day, It is the same experience for everyone. Very little variance. You can grind if you want, but it is never necessary. The humor I think set it apart. The Mexican slot machine? Dinosaurs? Bubble gum chewing apes?

The ending sucks, and unless you use a guide or someone tells you, you may lose the last battle over and over. I know I did.

All this because of your fat greedy spoiled rich neighbor.

>> No.4463657

>>4463636
Not even a "hidden gem" but if it was a "unknown game of mediocre or lower quality that hasn't been raped by e-celebs yet"

>> No.4463671

>>4463657
This is simply not true. A game like those dies below a ton of 'if it wasn't ported it wasn't good' and 'if it didn't become popular before then it's mediocre'. Just see any thread regarding newly released fantranslations of jap games. We've had people bashing games like Live A Live and Bahamut Lagoon using those arguments.

>> No.4463774

>>4462239
This guy gets it, make your own opinion. If you like it, great! If you don't, hey cool, keep searching for what it is that works for you. If you form your identity and tastes according to popular opinions then you are doing yourself a major disservice.

>> No.4463782

>>4462334
I wish I was as cool as this poster

>> No.4463784

>>4462520
I bet you love the new call of duty games too

>> No.4463793

>>4463352
This guy gets it, this game really resonates with its fans. If you don't like it, that's fine, and ignore the cringe that comes from the fans rather than sperg out like CWC over a Sonichu medallion. (Yes, I know the EB fanbase gets like CWC too, but don't reduce yourself to being some kind of a faggot that loses their cool over differing opinions

>> No.4464042

>>4463283
Yeah, but by the end of the game I was very detached from it. My enjoyment diminished the longer the game went on

>> No.4464118

>>4462185
There's multiple threads about this and its previous installment right now. Even considering /vr/'s boner for JRPGs (Chrono Trigger is the same right now as well), despised my ass dude. Some people dislike the game (not too fond of them myself) but not the board overall.

>> No.4464210

>>4462185
because they can't play it. most people are rational and won't pay $200 to get it when we all know it's only going for that much because reseller shitbags are sitting on multiple copies to drive the value up

>> No.4464282

>>4463625
out of battle top down view
in battle first person and random battles
ITs a DQ clone in the loose sense, no need to be defensive about it, almost every jrpg is a DQ clone

>> No.4464341

I really wanted to like this game, honest to god, but every time I try to play through I get bored and stop. I think I made it just past the hospital or something last time I played (seemed like you were in some dark world or something)

>> No.4464346

>>4462185
Inventory

>> No.4464379

>>4463784
Nah I'm shit at FPS games and I generally avoid endless time-sink type games. My fall 2017 games have been Shadow of War and The Fractured But Whole though I've already beaten and uninstalled the latter.

>> No.4464769

>>4464210
lol Why do you act as if you don't know emulators exist

>> No.4465121

>>4464769
i do. and this is what i tell the obese neckbeards at the flea market when they try to charge over ebay for shit they tripped over in their attic or basement and had to whip out their phone to check the "value" of

>> No.4465169

>>4465121
Doesn't change the fact that they can play it. And stuff like input lag on emulators is less of an issue on a game like EB.

Doesn't this board accuse emulators of being mostly a thing for normies, or at least normie gamers? You can play this game for free on a phone. Not that I like that shit, but it can be done.

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>not getting the CIB Mother 2 on SFC for like 15 bucks
the fock? It's also uncensored.