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Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:27:20 2017 No.4460041 [Reply] [Original]

Is this game flawless?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:35:48 2017 No.4460556 No. No game is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:04:24 2017 No.4460606 >>4460041 It has a progress system so it automatically isn't

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:46:46 2017 No.4460673 >>4460041 Magus' spells are too weak after his becoming an ally.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:49:12 2017 No.4460680 It's mediocre garbage

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:33:44 2017 No.4460743 >>4460556 this

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:05:14 2017 No.4460812 >>4460556 So what are its flaws

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:15:18 2017 No.4460825 >>4460041 The dialogue sucks. Shopkeeper in 600AD saying "Whaddaya want?" for example. The writing is just so cringey.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:21:24 2017 No.4460836 >>4460825 su sorru my nihon-go speaking senpai

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:23:12 2017 No.4460838 >>4460825 How is that even a problem?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:55:11 2017 No.4460983 >>4460825 Ok yes the localization is bad Thats one flaw Come on /vr/ give me more

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:13:04 2017 No.4461019 >>4460983 Toriyama-art shit earthbound syndrome battle system isn't really interesting live a live is better

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:20:04 2017 No.4461037 >>4460812 >>4460983 You seem to be ignoring my post >>4460556

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:21:06 2017 No.4461041 >>4461037 Sorry I meant >>4460606

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:55:32 2017 No.4461103 File: 1.93 MB, 1904x1090, WnEjqq3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4460041 >play game from start to finish >discover all possible endings >red Goku never throws kamehameha

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:04:40 2017 No.4461584 >>4461019 I agree with the Toriyama art shit. The man's art hasn't changed in the whole time he's been producing shit. Tobal, Dragon Quest, Chrono-Trigger, DBZ, and everything else he's touched all are interchangeable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:07:20 2017 No.4461587 >>4461019 live a live is also extremely flawed, but I agree it's better

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:34:53 2017 No.4461638

The plot is basic but does its job. The writing and characters are terribly dull. The combat system is barebones and uninteresting. The music and graphics are fantastic, though I'm not a fan of Toriyama art in general.

For its time, it was a decent, if a bit generic, RPG with outstanding audiovisual presentation. Good game, worth remembering and being nostalgic over, but nowhere near perfection.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:48:03 2017 No.4461660

>>4460041
Very good game, it's main flaw is babby tier difficulty. It's not so much the flaws of this game that hold it back, in that it's well polished and beautiful, it's that the game never goes the extra mile and never does anything particularly great other than its presentation, visuals and sound. The lack of any sort of puzzles or challenges, lack of any sort of customization or crafting or skill allocation feature, and lack of any sort of real content outside of the main linear narrative, shich limits exploration and discovery leaves it falling short in comparison to some other RPGs. Still a great game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 01:44:55 2017 No.4461889 >>4460606 I like this new meme

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:21:49 2017 No.4461923

>>4461889
Except I'm not "meming" when I said that. Those are just there to attract more "casuals / normies" since they need some addictive elements that also potentially make the game impossible to lose to enjoy video games. Story rewards work the same way.

If you think I'm "meming" then why do you think that currently this shit is everywhere in every genre in popular games? Progress systems between games in FIFA or CoD, for example.

Imagine these JRPG games but now without any reward. Enemies don't give you anything, you don't find anything. Now remove story incentives. Suddenly your JRPG has to become very tightly created and a nice strategy game with exploration and/or puzzle solving elements to be interesting.

I did a romhack of Pokémon Red/Blue so that enemies didn't give exp. Now, this game has a lot of flaws and is not designed around this very well at all, but still he had a LOT of fun unexpectedly, almost renewed his interest in the game. Ended up beating the Elite 4.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:24:39 2017 No.4461926

>>4461923
Also, forgot to mention: They include these a lot due to devs being scared of giving the player too many options from the start so they give it to you slowly like this.

It works well again to attract lesser dedicated gamers but at the game's replayability's and overall design cost.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:33:02 2017 No.4461936 >>4461638 My thoughts exactly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:36:13 2017 No.4461940 >>4461923 >>4461926 Do you have to post this rant in every thread about rpgs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:40:01 2017 No.4461946 >>4461940 soon he'll start telling you to post hiscores

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:06:29 2017 No.4462172

>>4460041
It is you can tell because /vr/ fags parrot the same shit over and over as they have nothing of substance to add.
>Too easy
Subjective as fuck but they want to jerk off about how good they are at games like anyone gives a fuck
>Toriyama art style
Like the hipsters they are they will list this as a bad thing

They will then praise the music at some point in an attempt to make their copy paste post more valid.

Worthless mindless fucks

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:10:07 2017 No.4462264 >>4461923 >Imagine these JRPG games but now without any reward. Enemies don't give you anything, you don't find anything Thats fucking stupid kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:18:57 2017 No.4462271 File: 100 KB, 245x315, 1490123978467.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4460041 Yes. It's a RPG.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:21:11 2017 No.4462274

Combat is boring and pointless outside of boss encounters. You could remove most battles and it wouldn't detract anything from the game. The dungeons don't have any tension or resource preservation like in an actually good jrpg.
It's pretty much a game you play for the story and aesthetics. Personally I couldn't finish it. Next to DQ5 and Mana games, it's mediocre for the system.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:26:42 2017 No.4462338

>>4461946
You guys sure love stereotyping and non-arguments. I don't care about this, why would I necessarily be?

>>4461940
>>4462264
I don't dislike them, but I truly feel they could be better games by foregoing progress systems. I see wasted potential, no harm intended here.

>>4462172
Again, someone that ignored my argument about progress systems. Why can't you guys debate on this topic without insulting like little kids? I'm open to see more merits to them, I just don't see many currently.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:28:27 2017 No.4462340

I was going to comment but I honestly haven't played the game in over 20 years, I barely remember anything other than "it was fun".

Is the DS's updated translation worth playing or should I just replay the original? Or the fan translation of the SNES version?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:29:17 2017 No.4462341 >>4462274 >You could remove most battles and it wouldn't detract anything from the game Sounds a lot like FF6 eh?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:30:22 2017 No.4462345 >>4462340 Go for the DS version

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:33:08 2017 No.4462348 >>4462345 Is the retranslation and new content worth the visual/audio downgrade?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:34:11 2017 No.4462352 >>4460673 >Magus' spells are too weak after his becoming an ally. No, they are pretty strong, they just don't compare well against the tier 3 magic that other characters start getting a bit later on.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:36:47 2017 No.4462358

>>4462348
It has no visual/audio downgrade, the retranslation is better (unless you like the woolsie sillyness more), and the new content is shit but entirely optional so you don't NEED to do it. Gives you a bunch of great ultimate gear but it's a lot of running back and forth. They should've just re-added the Singing Mountain.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:47:11 2017 No.4462378

>>4462340
The fan translation by Chrono Compendium is horrible, ultra-literalist autism. Many sentences are barely comprehensible, and it uses honorifics too.
It's possibly worth it as a second playthrough to see some skipped content, but definitely not as a newcomer.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:10:15 2017 No.4462397

The complaints ITT seem a bit ridiculous when you just try out Dragon Quest V after a long Chrono Trigger session.

Dragon Quest is so unpleasant (slow, full of pointess actions but can't run, dialogue boxes everywhere, soul-crushing battles, meh graphics) you're just thinking "I wish I were playing Chrono Trigger" like in a Wojak meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:12:39 2017 No.4462403 File: 59 KB, 430x690, chrono_trigger_ds-07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is her name Princess Nadia or Princess Marledia? What the heck is her problem?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:22:47 2017 No.4462417 >>4462397 I have the opposite reaction. Most SNES RPGs make me think "I wish I was playing Dragon Quest 3".

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:25:03 2017 No.4462421 >>4462417 Anon... V =/= 3

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:39:20 2017 No.4462540 >>4462403 Pls respond

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:36:54 2017 No.4463194 File: 115 KB, 791x552, ct2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For me is far the best game made.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:54:06 2017 No.4463306 >>4460983 Sometimes a dropped item, after a fight, will display the garbled name "WolfLobeSword" I believe it's triggered by having 99 of the dropped item. So.. Trigger is not perfect. Just nearly.

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