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4456756 No.4456756 [Reply] [Original]

When will the retro vidya market finally crash and prices will plummet?

>> No.4456760

>>4456756
Right after the classic car market.

>> No.4456763

>>4456756
In forty years when a significant percentage of people who grew up in the 80s and 90s are dead.

>> No.4456774

>>4456756
When (if) people stop demanding these games

>> No.4456836

>>4456763
If a hobby is only based on nostalgia for being 11 years old, it is not a hobby.

>> No.4456846

>>4456836
You know most of the baseball card and most of the comic market crashed right?

Sure actually rare and desirable cards/magazines demand a premium but the vast majority isn't worth shit.

>> No.4456847

It won't until the generation that played them dies off. As people get older, they get more money. More money to buy the things they want. The things with a limited and diminishing supply.

It will also spike when people that played them get to retirement age and the age their kids leave the house. Retirement because they will have time to play them, kids leaving the house because it means more disposable income.

In other words, your kids or grandkids might benefit from the "bubble bursting" but you will be dead before you'll get cheap copies of earthbound again.

>> No.4456853

>>4456756
wait 10 years

>> No.4456854

>>4456756
After you've lost interest.

>> No.4456858

>>4456847
I've heard the same tired arguments about nostalgia collectors on sites that dealt with other hobbies. I'm sure I saw this same copypaste on a classic car site somewhere.

>> No.4456894

>>4456756
1983.

>> No.4456970

>>4456858
What's wrong with what >>4456847 said?

>> No.4457263

>>4456858

It's not pasta, just common sense. Look at all other popular hobbies or pop culture things, they follow the same cycle.

Pretty much when people who were interested in something dies off, no one cares except a few oddballs.

Go to some antique stores and pay attention to what you see. You'll notice trends. Super expensive popular shit will be basically trash after time passes and people who care about it or thinks it has value are dead.

Think of all the depression ware dishes that set in some old ladies china hutch for literal fucking decades because it was supposedly "valuable".
It's a dish, if you don't use it it's worthless.
People either throw it out once they die, or continue to keep a relatively worthless thing in their house taking up space for decades. The only value it has is what the "collector" assigned it in their own head. At least with vidya you can play it.

>> No.4457272

Might as well ask here

What does /vr/ think of retro ports (any console/handheld really) to smart phones? How would I be able to gain respect from this board by porting it to mobile right?

I know controls is a issue but beyond that any advice?

>> No.4457290

well, for disk based games, shit is barely a thing, because discs are unreliable flimsy shit, where no one would be dumb enough to put a high price on.

cartridges are going to accelerate in price as more and more stop working.

>> No.4457294

>>4456756
People have been asking this since like 2006, give up and embrace emulation

>> No.4457302

>recently got into "retro gaming"
>hardly ever paid more than $20 for any game, usually under $10
>playing every gamecube game for free on my wii
Sucks to be you. Most expensive thing i got was a coke white smash bros edition gamecube controller and those adapters to play your n64 with it

>> No.4457331

>>4457263
I'm saying, I don't consider nostalgiafags "real" collectors. For example, some retard baby boomer who restores a 69 Chevelle doesn't really care about cars per-se, he just wants something to remind him of being 16.

Jay Leno loves cars of all sizes, shapes, and eras, he's a real enthusiast, the nostalgiafag collectors you've run into at a local classic car show are not. So that's why I dismiss those people out of hand.

>> No.4457343

>>4457331
Hes just rich enough to afford it tho

>> No.4457346

>>4456756
Those of you in the old school who believe this is a bubble simply have not understood the new mathematics of the Blockchain or you did not cared enough to try. Bubbles are mathematically impossible in this new paradigm. So are corrections and all else.

>> No.4457353

And as as far as retro vidya is concerned, the 80s is my particular favorite era, although I was a kid in the 90s, I've never been all that interested in PS1-era games or have any particular nostalgia for them. So not everyone lives and dies by nostalgia.

>> No.4457356

>>4457346
KEK
LMAO

>> No.4457360

>>4456756
When eBay and YouTube dies

>> No.4457365

>>4456756
As long as bandwagoners like you keep asking this question it will never happen

>> No.4457370

BTW, I read on a gun collectors' forum the very curious observation that while a lot of baby boomers collect WWII weapons, their parents, who actually were there and used the things, seemed to have very little interest in them, one guy said that he remembered going to gun shows in the 80s and WWII vets would usually be into Civil War or other 19th century firearms. If you were interested in an M-1 Garand, they'd yawn and act like "Been there, done that."

>> No.4457372

>>4457331
I get what you mean, but those "nostalgiafags" still buy consoles and drive the prices up. Sure they are not hardcore collectors, but if they buy the stuff you're interested in, the prices still go up.

>> No.4457407

Probably the most notorious example of an artificial nostalgia-driven bubble was that of antique radios, which bubble popped after everyone who was able to remember the 1930s had died. From an objective standpoint, those radios perform very poorly and they're basically passive receiving devices, you can't drive them like you would an old car, and you can't program them like you would a computer. The miserable things had nothing going for them save some sod's memory of listening to the 1938 World Series on a Philco, nothing they could do over a Taiwanese radio that could be bought at any K-Mart. They can be had for $20-$50 now when in the 80s, one would have paid a couple hundred.

>> No.4457413

>>4456756
Also if you're willing to buy off someone's whole collection you can still get a deal
Guys feel pressure to get rid of stuff because of pressure from wives, they wanna feel more adult (because adults shouldnt play video games) or they just got bored

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>>4456756
Already happened. $3 a game.

>> No.4457624

>>4457587
I'm pretty sure Atari games have always been worthless. Never remember any bubble for them.

>> No.4457645

I believe price bubbles are a scam. No matter how much I want something, there's a limit to what I'm going to pay for it.

>> No.4457649

>>4457407
they were valuable then they went back down to what they were actually worth which is good for people who want to buy them instead of speculators

>> No.4457650

>>4457587
>atari garbage
You overpaid

>> No.4457706

>>4456756
Kinda depends on the future of video games as a whole and their place in culture. Most video games will eventually be worth nothing, but a few genuinely unique items (genuine prototype cartridges, say) might skyrocket in price. I think an early draft version of Joyce's Ulysses sold for over a million dollars to a library. Most people have never even heard of Ulysses, but literature is Important Culture and Joyce is an Important Author, so the item has value.

>> No.4457710

>>4456756
When a dozen warehouses full of NOS are found.

>> No.4457714

>>4457587
I remember when my local retro store had barrels full of Atari games for .50 cents a pop

>> No.4457716

>>4457290
>cartridges are going to accelerate in price as more and more stop working
Cartridges are solid state, it's pretty hard to kill one.

>> No.4457721

>>4457716
>it’s pretty hard to kill one
Landfills and compactors do a pretty good job of that

>> No.4457724

>>4457714
Only time I ever bought a 2600 game was a copy of Joust for 25 cents from a big bin in one of those places.

>> No.4457726

>>4457721
Sorta, they dug up a ton that were just fine you know.

>> No.4457736

>>4456756
Price is a factor of supply and demand. Only way to lower price is lower demand or raise the supply. The other way would be price ceilings by government.

>> No.4457751

>>4457736
Don't agree. There's a lot of Ebay scalpers who way overcharge for stuff.

>> No.4457761

>>4457587
Top kek kid. You paid well over ebay reseller prices.

>> No.4457862

some game bubbles pop individually
especially if there's a good game that doesn't emulate well, and then they get it working, the prices for it will decrease

>> No.4458036

>>4456846
But superman has thousand of comics whereas zelda retro can be count with the fingers of a hand.

>> No.4458109

>>4457862
Lol no. Emulation has no effect on price.

>> No.4458156

>>4456756
>>4456763
Nah it is never going to happen. Retro gaming is too unique to anything from PS2/Gamecube/Xbox to now. Retro stuff will always be considered collectable even when these consoles no longer work anymore. By then I'm pretty sure it is going to become much easier to find bootleg consoles and games that replicate the originals as close as possible. I also think through out the years we will be seeing companies pander to this market more and more once they see people want to indulge in nostalgia or just simply see what that era of gaming was all about. Meanwhile I think you will be seeing many games post 2000's actually decline in worth more and more.

>> No.4458257

When people stop being fucking dumb and start using flashcarts and modchips.

>> No.4458275

There will never be a crash. There may be a decline in values but it will be so slow and steady that it would take years of observation to notice it.

>> No.4458282

>>4456756
At some point someone will start pumping out replica/custom/replica carts and it really won't matter.

First people really need to grok the distinction between original hardware/displays and emulation. Otherwise it would be premature to start the machines. Will it take one year? Five hundred?

>> No.4458301

>>4457290
That's wrong because people will still buy disks forever.

CDs are just the same, the media degrades, but CDs were worth at most two bucks in the first place so they're worthless except for the label and manual and box.

Disks also have labels, and they're still pot shards even if they don't boot.

>> No.4458595

>>4456756
Chink repros are $5 a pop.

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>>4458282
>>4457736
The time is now. Flood the market to lower the price.

>> No.4458632

>>4458282
I think that like other tech companies. The first ones to get marketshare in replicas would probably get the first orders to make lisenced nintendo, sega, 3do, neo·geo tech.
Game companies already do this with emulators.
Only a matter of time nintendo,sony,sega comeout with cartridge capable retro consoles.

>> No.4458637

>custom/replica carts
these dont matter one bit since you can play $50 snes games on your phone for free.

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>>4458632
At@Games and Hyperkin already ahead of the curve.

>> No.4458735

>>4458109
If anything it's the opposite effect. Games like Earthbound and Hagane were already perfectly playable long before they became the notorious collector shit that they're now. Consoles like the N64 still emulate terribly and guess what, only a handful N64 games are even close to the prices they ask for games on platforms that are easier to emulate like NES, SNES or Playstation.

INB4 falseflagging shitposts from both sides making the same dumb arguments like "lolno emulation will always suck" or "dude n64 is totally playable you're just doing it wrong".

>> No.4458756

Because Its not about playing the games. its all about having them

>> No.4458775

>>4456756
When the youtube retro gaming fad passes and the next popular thing takes off.

When people who grew up with these games get old and die off, the family members just want the things gone, because they do not care about it, to them it is just old hoarded crap.

When prices get so high, most people just say fuck it, and emulate instead.

One thing that makes me laugh is when collectors think their family will care about their collections the way they do, if at all. I know exactly what is gonna happen to my collection when I die, it is all going in the trash.

>> No.4458797

>>4458775
>I know exactly what is gonna happen to my collection when I die, it is all going in the trash
Dude...you'll be dead. If they did throw it in the trash, how would you know?

>> No.4458805

>>4458797
Because the vast majority of people do not care about or know about these old games. I know my family do not give a crap about them.

>> No.4458827

>>4457736
>price ceilings
Check out this commie faggot.

>> No.4458831

>>4458775
>When people who grew up with these games get old and die off
This was already dealt with earlier. Nostalgiafags aren't real collectors.

>> No.4458840

>>4458775
>>4458805
They would sell them and make money off of them.

>> No.4458893

>>4456756
Once the original carts, cds and everything stops working?

>> No.4458898

>>4456756
when millenials have kids so never

>> No.4458928

It's always tough to determine if a collecting trend is just a trend (Beanie Babies) or if the objects will indeed have enough historical and aesthetic value to become "timeless" and appeal to any and all generations (Weapons, Fine Art, etc).

Video games are just as culturally important now as literature, art, music, and film, so the collecting market isn't primarily fueled by nostalgia nor "e-celeb" influencing, and more fueled by what fuels the collecting of other media/technology or anything else from firearms to cars: appreciation of the history, aesthetics, and technology of the medium. So that said, I don't see a crash coming. Video games have enough cultural weight behind them to interest succeeding generations and the like.

As for the bubble, I'm going to take a different POV, and blame the driving up of prices more on the smartphone than anything. If anyone else here picks and thrifts, you've probably noticed that everything, not just games, have gone way up since about 2010-11ish (just about when smartphones became common).

Works like this: Flea marketer/thrift store owner gets in a shitload of whatever. Where they used to price more by instinct and how the local market is, they now primarily price by eBay Buy-It-Now (not even sold price).

Try to haggle? "Fuck you. This piece of junk goes for X dollars on eBay."

And to set the price, all it takes is one customer biting on a high BIN on eBay. Then after that, every reseller the world over is chasing that amount for their shit.

>> No.4458932

>>4458928
very good post

>> No.4458990

>>4456858
>I'm sure I saw this same copypaste on a classic car site somewhere.
A Model T Ford was worth more than a 1970 Hemi Challenger at one point. What happened? Everyone that remembered the 1920s died, and kids that wanted a bad ass muscle car in the 1970s are middle aged and well off.

Same goes for videogames, in all likelihood. Some exceptions like the NEO GEO might hold value longer after living memory fades, much like how a 1920s Dusenberg still has an aura of quality and expense to it.

>> No.4458996

>>4458990
Model Ts and As were never that valuable because they were among the biggest-selling cars of their day, hence you're more likely to encounter one than any other car of that time.

>> No.4459012

>>4457650
>>atari garbage
>You overpaid
You meant Atari gold. While fools are bidding up the latest e-celeb hype of the day NES/SNES title and "slabbing" it in a comic book case for thou$ands, you can get your pick of sealed 2600 games for peanuts. All you punks who dis Atari only make things better price wise.

>> No.4459026

>>4458282
There are already nearly perfect Neo Geo AES cart bootlegs coming out, not MVS conversion either but new PCB and everything. AES prices make art forgery level shit a real thing, what with shit like airport meetings to exchange $30k bootlegs and all to suckers.

>> No.4459059

>>4458990

I don't see the car comparison as very valid here. Reason being acquiring cars is obviously a lot more difficult than acquiring videogames, so it's harder for parents, older siblings, uncles, aunts, friends, whomever to introduce a younger generation into (by which I mean having a hands on experience with) and thus continuing the cycle of interest.

Much easier to do with videogames.

I get your point, but as someone else said, collecting, for the most part, is not always entirely fueled by nostalgia. If a person is genuinely interested in (guns, cars, art, music, books, furniture, whatever) they'll collect examples from various eras.

A hardcore car collector, whether he's 20 or 80, will likely have a Model T (or something of similar vintage). Nostalgia isn't a factor here.

>> No.4459063

>>4458996
Baseline Fords and Chevys from the 1920s-30s have always been popular with the mod/hot rod community while the Duesenberg kind of stuff is like a piece of jewelry collected by people like Steven Spielberg.

Actually, the most worthless cars of that time are humdrum stuff like a 1935 Buick. Not suitable for hot rodding, not exotic enough to be classified along with a Duesenberg or Packard custom body that was owned by Clark Gable.

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>>4458928
>This piece of junk goes for X dollars on eBay
I actually had a storekeep throw this line in my face. I wanted to be all cocky and say I'll go buy it on fucking ebay then, but as I opened my mouth he just launched into this tirade about how hard it is to stay afloat with a business like his, how honest business is not appreciated in this country anymore and about "weasels" buying things off him to resell. I was just kind of stunned. Stood there holding a 15 euro copy of Mercenaries or whatever with a dumb look on my face. Dude's voice cracked a couple times like he was gonna cry.
Selling retro games takes it out of you I guess

>> No.4459190

>>4459072
Biggest joke is when these clowns go by the inflated, insanely priced "buy it now" listings instead of legit completed auctions. BIN is the work of the Devil.

>> No.4459480

Basic principles of economics say never.

>> No.4459498

>>4457272
Ard you serious kiddo.

You feel plucky... duck, well. Do yah?

>> No.4459897

>>4458928
>>4456756
Every piece of console hardware will eventually fail (already happening to arcade boards), and then the market will fall due to total absence of supply.

>> No.4460301

>>4458036
>zelda retro can be count with the fingers of a hand.

not counting the CD-I & BS-X games zelda has about 7 retro games (9 or 10 if you consider the gamecube retro)

>> No.4460306

>>4459897
Most of the arcade boards that are failing currently didn't have basic shit like a FAN installed on them.

>> No.4460310

>>4457272
I think they are great.
I played FF 1,2,3,4 port on android and I don't regret it.
They bring essential improvements and I cant see them like a bad thing even though mentally challenged people still cry over the sprites not being pixel correct.

>> No.4460597

>>4460306
This could also apply to certain things like the breadbin C64 that needed heat sinks on the chips and better ventilation. Heat is the main enemy of all electronics; the better cooled something is, the longer it will last.

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4461194

The market won't crash until the original hardware is replaced by something more reliable. So far, every attempt to provide the community with an all-in-one modern solution has been met with witch hunts from the YouTube collector community who don't want their collections to become worthless.

>> No.4461321

>>4461194
Class A bait

>> No.4461338

>>4461194
damn, this post pretty impressive. I almost feel bad for not being worked by it.

>> No.4462035

>>4461321
>>4461338
>going along with the hivemind
You're doing exactly what the youtubers want you to do and they're laughing all the way to the bank

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>>4458282
I've been buying repros for the last two years.
Fuck resellers.

>> No.4462071

>>4458775
I think about this sometimes.
At least I hope for this >>4458840

>> No.4462072

>>4458928
>And to set the price, all it takes is one customer biting on a high BIN on eBay.
Not even that.
The sellers themselves will buy their own stock in order to "protect the value" of their junk.

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>>4462035
>citation needed

>> No.4462191

>>4459897
considering 75% of all modes of failure in arcade boards involve electrolytic capacitors, I'd say these hardware fails you speak of aren't as fatal as you're making it out to be.

>> No.4462246

>>4456858
Doesn't make it wrong

>> No.4462693

>>4462246
In what way is that correct and not a meme copypaste?

>> No.4462965

>>4462079
You can believe what you want, it isn't my job to convince you. If you look at what happened with the chameleon, everything comes back to the YouTube collector community. There was ample support for both the Retro VGS and the chameleon but as soon as the ecelebs cried foul then all their little sheep followed suit. The chameleon would have opened up the world to retro games to everyone and the old guard who have made their money off of speculation and reselling while showing their collections didn't want to lise their status as the retro game community gatekeepers. And sure enough, everyone followed them. Nobody stopped to think critically about it.

>> No.4463112

>>4462965
Lot's of people stopped to think critically about it. Just not you. That's why you're crying about a failed scam.

>> No.4463168

>>4463112
>failed scam
Yeah sure, easy to call it a failure when it was sabotaged by the community it was meant for every step of the way. Someone tries to give back to the hobby they love and instead are taken advantage of and demonized by the internet hivemind that follows along with anything their YouTube masters tell them to.
The chameleon was going to demystify retro gaming. Having a machine that runs classic games with complete hardware accuracy plus modern enhancements is the best of both the original hardware and emulation worlds being supported by new original games as well as compilations of beloved classics. What does this mean for the people who have made a living showing off online and reselling all the games that their droves of braineashed fans keep donating to them? It means suddenly these hoards of games and consoles they have are worth no more than the plastic that houses them. Why would anyone spend $1000+ for a Little Samson cart when they can get a classic NES compilation cart that's functionally the exact same, includes other games AND is made of high quality modern materials that are guaranteed to last for decades after the original carts have deteriorated? Sure there will still be purists out there but the average person into retro games would pick the chameleon every time. Zero difference in functionality thanks to cycle accurate FPGA architecture, all the bells and whistles offered by emulation, contemporary hardware longevity and notoriously expensive games at affordable options along with ports of modern retro style indie games. The chameleon was a winner right out of the gate and the ecelebs knew it. Of course it's gone now but the hype on the Retro VGS/chameleon facebook pages were unprecedented. No retron or clone console ever got that kind of traction and buzz. The chameleon terrified the powers that be, and the masses decided to shoot their savior in order to please their masters rather than be liberated.

>> No.4463229

>>4462965
> chameleon would have opened up the world to retro games to everyone

Dude, emulators already did that years and years ago and it's even easier now. A total noob with a toaster laptop, Google and an hour of free time can get thousands of the best classic games to play.

>> No.4463272

>>4463229
Emulators are fine for people who aren't interested in physical media, which is not who the chameleon was meant for. The chameleon was about bringing the accuracy of original hardware along with new games to people who want to escape the inconveniences of contemporary machines and who aren't part of extremely exclusive retro collecting scene. The end goal was simply "more games for more people." And now we won't get that thanks to the elitism of the retro game community.

>> No.4463309

>>4463168
I dont know anything about this crap, but...
There's nothing stopping people from making hardware emulators. If you want to make a new retron7 that's actually accurate, go ahead. Just don't start asking for money beforehand. Get it designed and ready to go for production, then do some e-begging.

There's plenty of shitty ideas out there like self-filling water bottles that aren't possible/practical. Throwing money at them doesn't make them viable. The design has to come first.

>> No.4463354

>>4463168
Cry harder faggot. Not sure if shill or just really deluded.

>> No.4463373

>>4463272
Yeah but you were talking about opening the world of retro games for people. Emulating is way better for that.

>> No.4463426

Thanks to our Google overlords, we'll live 450 years and SNES prices will rise until the year 2467 at least

>> No.4463430

>>4463309
It was designed. The prototype they showed at the toy fair used SNES hardware as a stopgap but was running FPGA software written specifically for the chameleon. There was a lot more going on than people could see, but even with proper explanation they didn't understand. The project was going to be crowdfunded because it was a project by retro enthusiasts FOR retro enthusiasts. This was a community project that would he shared with everyone. Too bad the YouTube retro game collector bourgeouise knew they were about to become obsolete and rather than do what's in their own best interests people would rather parrot ecelebs. Just look, this thread us full of it.

>>4463373
Emulation is often inaccurate and buggy and will never provide the experience that real hardware does. Only FPGA architecture can provide a comparable experience. By opening the world of retro games I mean the chameleon would have taken the authentic experience of playing retro games out of the hands of a privileged few (the ecelebs) and put everyone on an equal playing field. Resellers and speculators would have become a thing of the past.

>> No.4463482

>>4463430
>Emulation is often inaccurate and buggy

It's 98% or 99% there, Anon, and way better than the crappy ports we enjoyed back then. Who cares if the music has sharper highs or if the blue sky is a little bit violet? The advantages (portability, convenience, translations, low price) largely outweigh the drawbacks.

>> No.4463539

>>4463430
>used SNES hardware as a stopgap
That's not a stopgap, that's the whole fucking point.
I just looked it up and yeah, I nailed it. They couldn't even produce a working prototype. Just like solar roads, self filling water bottle, batterizer, etc.

At least whoever makes those retron things never begged for money. Anyway thanks for helping me check and calibrate my bullshit detector.

>> No.4463669

>>4463539
You obviously don't understand how an FPGA works. The SNES core was complete and games were running on it flawlessly, an SNES Jr. board was used because it was the quickest way to get the working prototype into a working state before the A/V and I/O designs had been finalized. In a way the engine was finished and working but it needed a frame and drive system because the one they had wasn't yet in a working state. The prototype worked so well it fooled people into thinking it was actually an SNES inside the chameleon shell.

Also you weren't even familiar with the project until today and had to look it up. Maybe next time don't think that reading a Wikipedia article is all the info you need.

>> No.4463781

>>4463430
>Emulation is often inaccurate and buggy and will never provide the experience that real hardware does.

I guess we'll just have to disagree. I grew up on real hardware and even still keep some around but I think emulation for most things is just fine and a great way to introduce people to retro games.

>> No.4463879

>>4463669
I don't believe a word of it. You sound like you were personally involved and can't admit you got scammed.

Someday though, someone else will do it for real. And it will be glorious.

>> No.4463883

>>4463879
>Someday though, someone else will do it for real.
Not so long as ecelebs are allowed to control the market. They'll do whatever they have to in order to secure their "investment." The amount of people banking on these games to set them up for life as soon as the market reaches its peak is staggering. And they've got legions of eager drones ready to attack anyone who their overlords deem deserving of it.

>> No.4463957

>>4462965
>You can believe what you want, it isn't my job to convince you.
Yes it is. Especially if you make bold claims like this.
I followed the Chameleon story from the start and it looked like a big scam, or at least it looked like a lot of people with big dreams and bold claims but had no idea how to make them a reality.
I don't mean to defend ecelebs outright, just give some credence to what you're saying.
Do you have an inside source? Do you have a background in electronics? Have you seen and tried that prototype in person? Is this just based on assumptions?
If you can't prove what you're saying, how am I supposed to believe you.

>> No.4463960

>>4463168
The Chameleon was literally a scam. They were caught red handed passing off other people's motherboards and emulation hardware as their own stuff.

They released fake screnshots, and were caught red handed trying to get youtubers to read scripts to say over canned footage that would have made it look like they were really playing on their non-existent console.

>> No.4463961

>>4463168
>the Coleco Chameleon so good it was secretly killed off by Big Streamers

>> No.4464358

>>4463960
Even of it wasn't a scam it sounds like a colossal waste of money.

>> No.4464382

>>4463430
Wasn't this the thing they stuck an video card in the a case and pretended they designed something?

>> No.4464884

>>4464382
Yes, a total scam. Worst part is that those crooks seemingly wound up with the Atari Jaguar injection molds they were using to make the bullshit chameleon mock ups, which is something of irreplaceable value to the Jag community (molds like that cost six figures to make).

>> No.4465093

>>4463957
All you have to do is look at the statements from the team to know the whole project was being targeted and set up for failure. One eceleb stood up and supported the chameleon and he was a game developer too (notice how all the youtubers who just show off their collections hated the project but one who made games was interested and supported it) but as soon as the public turned against it he was shamed into creating an "apology" video in order to distance himself from the community's new favorite whipping boy if he ever wanted his own ventures as a game designer to go anywhere.

>>4463960
>caught red handed passing off other people's motherboards and emulation hardware as their own
Didn't happen.

>>4464382
When you're prototyping you use whatever materials are available to you. Nobody ever inspected the boards in their prototypes and all the "it's just a SNES board, it's just a capture card" critics have no idea what they're talking about.

>> No.4465125

>>4456756
my post was originally going to say 5-10 years because the age bracket buying retro right now (my age bracket, i'm 29) will be looking at growing up, having kids and buying houses soon. i thought they'd start to sell the shit collecting dust on their shelves all at once and end up flooding the market. then i remembered who i see in game stores and at the flea market. they're all NEET kissless virgins. it's not gonna crash, is it?

>> No.4465591

>>4465093
>Pictures comparing the Super NES motherboard to the official picture of the Coleco Chameleon proved to be identical. The official Retro VGS Facebook page took the photo down shortly thereafter.
Top kek kid

>> No.4465635

Probably when we hit are next major depression. So in the next 10 - 20 years. However, you won't care about collecting when you can't afford food.

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>> No.4466025

>>4465591
>copypasting a line from Wikipedia
Wow what an infallible argument

>> No.4467023

>>4465125
Not if the next generation of NEETs and hikkis aren't interested in original hardware. I see a lot fewer of them into the physical stuff than our age (also 29) and they're much more willing to embrace emulators on smartphones which to me feel nothing like the real thing.

>> No.4467154

>>4465732
every single square has truth to it

>> No.4467254

When GameStop got rid of their retro games in the 2000s, everything got more expensive. Games used to be cheaper online than in stores too.

>> No.4467432

>>4467154
Yes but humans are pattern-matching monkeys who want to find some way to make every dot they connect significant, and blind ridicule is really hip right now.

>> No.4467857

>>4466025
>not proving any evidence to the contrary
Wow what a fool

>> No.4468334

>>4467857
Nobody ever inspected the boards in person. Even Wikipedia mentions all comparisons made were done through photographs only. There was an SNES board being used in the toy fair prototype which had original FPGA software running on it; a brand new SNES core. The capture card board was the second prototype that didn't have the SNES core on it but was the groundwork for the A/V in the console, which had other components on the flip side of the board that nobody saw. It's easy to see why people thought it was a fake, they didn't see the work that had been done. There was a rush to get the project funded, even Mike has come forward and admitted that. The prototype was essentially three or four different machines that needed to be united into one but that couldn't happen without the funding. It's the whole reason they wanted to use 3D renders, showing the actual console would be showing a pile of components running what people would simply pass off as emulation or some sort of trickery, and showing a non working console playing recorded footage would also be seen as deception. They came forwarded and presented their vision along with what were essentially several proofs of concept. But every step they made to be transparent and not purposefully deceive people was spun by the YouTube collector elite into convincing those who benefit most from the console that the whole thing was smoke and mirrors. It's really quite sad and ironic, especially seeing someone like yourself with zero knowledge about the console immediately buy into their lies without a second thought.

>> No.4468408

>>4468334
I still don't understand why the "youtube collector elite" would be so much against this project they felt the need to sabotage it.

>> No.4468565

>>4468334
Nobody ever inspected the boards in person because they didn't let anyone do that. Literally retarded.

>> No.4469023

>>4468408
They have tons of games. Those games are worth money because people want to play on original hardware. The chameleon would have been an alternative to the original hardware that provided the same experience. Adapters would allow people to play their original cartridges, and there were plans to release all sorts of multicarts that would play exactly like the originals at a fraction of what some of those games go for secondhand. Jaleco and Data East were interested, and talks were happening with Konami and Capcom. The youtubers who attacked the chameleon recognized that as soon as physical copies of their rarest games were rereleased using modern components which provided the same experience as original hardware, nobody would need the original cartridges anymore. There would be no point. They would still have some value but nowhere near the hundreds or thousands that they're worth now. People would have an alternative that isn't emulation. The collectors would flock to the chameleon in droves, which is exactly what they w3rd doing if the social media buzz was any indication. Once the youtubers came out and said "don't support this" then all their subscribers went against their own best interests and followed blindly.

>>4468565
Nobody ever tried. It got to a point the reputation of the team was so tainted that there was no salvaging the project. You're going in circles saying it's fake while acting like these guys were even given a chance to prove it wasn't. By the time they put the kickstarter on hold and explained the situation, it was too late. Coleco pulled their branding. That was all the condemnation anyone needed, even though coleco was in no way involved in the making of the console and only provided their name.

>> No.4469029

>>4457263
>antiques and collectables lose value as try grow older
Man I have a world shattering news for you.
T. 44 year old rich fag

>> No.4469494

>>4469029

I don't mean fine antiques mr. richfag, sure they appreciate in value, that's how they work. I'm talking about the shit like howdy doody dolls and buck rogers stuff, things that no one other than the ones that grew up with them care about. Pop culture loses it's significance eventually. I don't ever see video games being worthless, especially if nintendo keeps their IPs fresh, but they aren't on the same level as fine furniture or a well crafted pocket watch.

>> No.4469839

>>4469023
You're seriously deluded kid. Plenty of people asked to inspect it but weren't allowed. It all became a moot point when Kennedy admitted the prototypes were fake.
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/247145-coleco-chameleon-hardware-speculations/page-315
Deal with it faggot

>> No.4469871

>>4456756
Millennials are only getting older and regressing even more into their childhoods. Prices will only go up.

>> No.4470549

>>4469023
>People would have an alternative that isn't emulation.
What about the retron 5?
What about the raspberry pi?
What about multicarts and everdrives?
Why didn't the youtube elite shut those down as well?

>> No.4470572

>>4456756
Once you lose interest

>> No.4470728

>>4469839
He never said they were fake, he said they weren't in a state that kickstarter could consider a prototype. Getting the actual design with everything integrated is not a cheap process, hence the crowdfunding.

>>4470549
I don't know how many more times I can say this. The chameleon would have played those original carts with adapters, but the main draw was that it was going to have releases of classic games on multicarts (real ones, not Chinese glob tops) and many of the games on those carts would have been the prohibitively expensive ones like little samson or wild guns. Many of the very expensive games would have seen huge price drops when released on new cartridges using new, modern components that have far better data retention and reliability. It would have taken the experience of playing on original hardware out of the closed doors that collectors and resellers hide it behind. This obviously would mean problems for all the showoff collector youtubers who are hoarding and selling these games at huge markups.

>> No.4470739

I haven't seen the level of enthusiasm about collecting games as I have other collecting other things. The community is massive, and the supply is small.

If I compare it to Magic the Gathering, the prices have only skyrocketed. People who aren't alive when MTG first came out are buying and collecting cards, just like how 18 year olds are collecting NES carts.

I don't think the market will crash. Prices might go down abit but then again, they might keep rising as the supply is being soaked up by financially secure collectors. The thing that could kill the retro game market is maybe the ability to fabricate identical cartridges so well that they couldn't be identifiable to originals, or atleast were close enough and extremely cheap that people start collecting reprints. Those are my feelings.

>> No.4470765

>>4470728
>And it will show that I paid him considerable amounts of money for what was essentially two fake prototypes
God damn, you are unbelievably stupid.

>> No.4470772

>>4456763
just like all that worthless elvis shit no one wants anymore

>> No.4470775 [DELETED] 

>>4461194
sweet capture card bro

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>>4470728
>but the main draw was that it was going to have releases of classic games on multicarts (real ones, not Chinese glob tops) and many of the games on those carts would have been the prohibitively expensive ones like little samson or wild guns
If you honestly believe the horseshit you're shoveling, you're a fucking idiot. No one that pays these exuberant prices does simply so they can 'play them', they buy them to collect games for the original hardware. You can buy Earthbound on Virtual Console for $8, yet even repros sell for $150 because autists jackoff to shinny boxes, while pretending they're kids again.

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>>4470728

>> No.4470891

>>4470728
One of those consoles, if it really had the hardware to do what they claim, would have cost at least 300-400$.
Plus all the adapters to play any cartridge game possible it would probably cost above a thousand.
Re-released games on actual cartridges wouldn't be cheaper than 60-80$.
Yeah, that sounds like a feasable alternative to emulation.

When will you understand that people who emulate don't care about physical media.
Those who do but can't afford the actual games have the original consoles and multicarts/everdrives.

>> No.4471005

>>4456846
>>4456846

That's because the jews flooded the market and killed demand.

The card boom started in the late 80's, back when there was just topps, fleer, and donruss. Then came upper deck, then came upper deck's 50 million alternative decks, then came the big 3 making alternative decks, then limited editions then then then

Too much supply killed the market entirely. To this day the card manufacturers have not wised up and learned the lesson.


Retro shit, the supply is already far more limited than even 1990 baseball cards.

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>>4457331

Jay Leno is just rich, that's the difference. He has a hobby, big deal. He also has an entire staff of mechanics doing all the work restoring and maintaining those cars. Look it up. He hasn't turned a fuckin wrench in years...he's just a rich guy who reads some coffee table car mags and goes "oh that's cool! I want one of those!" and memorizes some history of what he buys.

Meanwhile

>the nostalgiafag collectors you've run into at a local classic car show

are usually doing their own restoration work, tearing engines/transmissions apart, doing bodywork, have personally performed all the maintenance, etc etc. I suggest you visit a local classic car show sometime. The diehard fanaticism of those people is pretty amazing.

>> No.4471064

Is there any reason not to just grab an everdrive for each console if I'm most interested in actually playing the games as opposed to the collector's aspect of it? I've been fine thus far playing PC-Engine/SNES/Genesis games on my Wii hooked up via Component/forcing 240p when I can.

Things like the N64 that seem hard to emulate might be different, though. I've been REALLY hankering to replay B&K/T but it seems like my only good option'll be buying the actual carts.

>> No.4471545

>>4470765
"Essentially fake", as in not meeting the criteria for a prototype that kickstarter required. The work was being done and the concept was there. It isn't Mike's fault that he was taken advantage of. The proof of concept was there and so was the demand.

>>4470805
>No one that pays these exuberant prices does simply so they can 'play them'
Willful ignorance. Collectors are playing gatekeeper and hoard games so they can cash out and retire as soon as we hit peak prices.
>You can buy Earthbound on Virtual Console for $8
That's emulation.

>>4470891
>When will you understand that people who emulate don't care about physical media
As I've said many times, they weren't the market the chameleon was meant for.

>> No.4472056

>>4471545
You mean the criteria of not being fake? lol. Work "being done" and "the concept" being there doesn't make them any less fake. But hey, good backpeddling .

>> No.4472068

>>4471064

Just get everdrives. Prices on carts aren't going down. Everdrives are mainly compatible with games you would care about anyway.

I did this and haven't looked back. I still buy cartridges, but only ones from the wild that are cheap and something I actually want and will play.

Pretty much real consoles > everdrives > RGB/PVMeme is the route I took. With the money I saved on not buying top dollar "collector" carts, I've bought shit tons of great peripherals, mods for getting the best pictures out of retro consoles, and a lot neat stuff.

>> No.4472130

>>4472056
Like I said, it's not my job to convince you. I'm just presenting the facts and if that isn't enough for you and you'd rather do what the ecelebs want so they can get rich then that isn't my problem.

>> No.4472330

>>4472130
>i'm just sharing my delusions on the internet
FTFY

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>>4471545
>hoard games so they can cash out and retire as soon as we hit peak prices.
Sorry to "burst your bubble" but we've already hit peak prices in 2016.
It's all downhill from here. Collectors better start selling now.
This isn't going to work as a retirement plan.