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/CRT/ Thread - Show Me Your Tubes! Edition Anonymous Thu Dec 7 03:38:11 2017 No.4446191 [Reply] [Original]

Previous Thread: >>4402054

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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Anonymous Thu Dec 7 03:42:31 2017 No.4446193

>>4446191
>>Supposedly, OEM Nintendo AV and S-video cables are only downward compatible, meaning you can use a Gamecube cable on a Super Nintendo / Famicom, but not the other way around.

THIS IS PURE BULLSHIT I HAVE AND OEM SNES SVIDEO CABLE AND I CAN USE IT WITH MY NINTENDO 64, AND GAMECUBE NO PROBLEM

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 04:38:40 2017 No.4446246 File: 36 KB, 482x459, 56CD33A0-BAE0-47B8-AA2F-DA5F336E80F1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4446191 I still have my Sony KV-27FV300 sitting in my closet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 06:53:40 2017 No.4446323 >>4443870 Keystone. And the yoke fixes a lot of landing and convergence issues as well, depending. >>4442260 Wow, those look amazing. Is it the same board each time, just different connectors? And the cutouts were for some transcoder boards, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:00:45 2017 No.4446328 I literally cannot find a CRT anywhere. Recycle centre wont let me buy any, and the ones on ebay and gumtree are either 400km away or over 26" nobody uses craigslist in australia.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:14:33 2017 No.4446339 >>4446328 >australia Is it really that bad there? Here you can still find nice TVs and VGA monitors for a few eur or even free. Sorry to hear that. At least you remind me that I should indeed hoard this shit before same happens here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:18:21 2017 No.4446346 >>4446339 This is why http://www.baka.com.au/national/a-tatt-no-rudds-bonus-would-go-on-books-20090407-a01c.html Everyone got $900 from the government in 2009 and most people bought HDTV's

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:18:52 2017 No.4446347 >>4446346 replace baka with S M H no spaces.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:36:38 2017 No.4446356 >>4446193 Hence "supposedly". There are some nintendo emails floating around that say to use downward only. No need to caps lock for tom cruise control for cool.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 08:26:24 2017 No.4446392 File: 37 KB, 614x461, 47252534_614[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] anyone know anything about Sears brand crts in term of build and image quality?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 08:33:37 2017 No.4446407 >>4446392 Even the cheapest CRT is better than an LCD.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 08:43:03 2017 No.4446419 I love this guys channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRPuWWiLeAE

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 09:20:36 2017 No.4446463 I've been looking for a 36XBR960, but keep coming across 34HS420 and 34XS955. Anyone know how these compare to the 960?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 09:31:11 2017 No.4446484 >>4446328 Facebook marketplace

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 09:44:35 2017 No.4446497 Is it worth it to connect crt to a pc and emulate games? Emulation thread told me it's not and I'll have to do lots of tuning almost every time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 09:52:27 2017 No.4446505 >>4446323 Yep, just different connectors. Space in the middle is for transcoders component to RGB and vice versa, and a RGB white balance adjust.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 10:09:47 2017 No.4446523 File: 2.67 MB, 4032x3024, crt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finally got a RGB cable for my modded Playstation 2

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 14:29:53 2017 No.4446956 File: 19 KB, 284x284, 123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] guy asks 16 bucks for this 15" monitor It's never been used before Should I even bother?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 14:37:14 2017 No.4446974 >>4446497 What do you mean? A CRT PC monitor or a standard definition CRT television? A PC monitor should work. A standard definition TV is going to be in interlaced mode. Custom drivers to override this only work with old ATI cards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 14:41:16 2017 No.4446990 File: 754 KB, 800x600, SM.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I look for bigass CRT monitors or will smaller low-end stuff look better for emulation?

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 14:46:01 2017 No.4446994

>>4446974
I'd add that playing emulators on interlaced mode looks ok. A bunch of PS2 retro collections are doing the something and running in interlaced mode. But not good enough to bother plugging in my laptop and having it sit there looking ugly on the floor while I play.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 14:47:45 2017 No.4446998 >>4446246 I'll buy it off you. Where do you live?

Kya !kDashing02 Thu Dec 7 15:45:18 2017 No.4447114

>>4446463
>36XBR960
There is no 4:3 960, so you should be looking for 30 or 34XBR960.

HS420 is a lower end, Hi Scan set. They're still decent, but don't have the SFP tube that you're aiming to get with the 960.

XS955 is same class of set as the 960, just in a slightly different configuration (in terms of audio, I believe). It has a SFP tube like the 960, so you'd get similar quality from it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 21:25:52 2017 No.4447659 File: 332 KB, 720x1280, Screenshot_20171207-182339.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone have any info on TVS Monitors? How do they compare to PVMs and Ikegami monitors?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 21:33:05 2017 No.4447674 >>4446998 Colorado. Not really looking to sell it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 21:55:01 2017 No.4447704 >>4447114 Thanks for the reply. My bad, thought it was 36 inch for some reason. Now I've got to decide if a 34XS955 is worth $150 and a good drive. And if it's worth hauling a Mitsubishi CK 35FX2 out of the way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 23:19:45 2017 No.4447802 >>4447659 Looks like this model https://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A030D4/TVS-CH-15DXA-15-inch-Color-CCTV-Monitor/ if so, should be pretty good, 800TVL rated resolution, has S-video input.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 23:27:53 2017 No.4447821 File: 1.43 MB, 3072x1728, WP_20171207_20_24_26_Pro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 20 years of dust collection. About to disassemble this and clean it. Zero rust and corrosion

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 23:37:12 2017 No.4447838 One of my friends is doing a convention panel on upscalers. Anything he should know?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 23:42:17 2017 No.4447854 >>4447838 He should already know everything if he's doing a fucking panel on them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:12:54 2017 No.4447909 >>4447854 Presumably he does, but for a subject as autistic as upscalers I figured the lovely denizens of /crt/ might have something interesting to add.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:21:17 2017 No.4447924 Did Toshiba ever make any PVMs? Did Sharp ever make any PVMs? Did Samsung ever make any PVMs? Did Phillips ever make any PVMs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:34:15 2017 No.4447950 so if I want to buy a CRT and I don't care about component, all I need is S-Video, what should I look for?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:50:03 2017 No.4447973 >>4446523 If you're not outside the U.S. then you're a fuckhead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 00:54:59 2017 No.4447984 >>4447924 no no yes yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 01:02:29 2017 No.4448005 File: 1.48 MB, 4651x2968, 20171206_171732.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Found this big bad boy in my mom's garage a few months ago, along with my younger brother's old wii collecting dust. I made good use of them both

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 01:21:19 2017 No.4448034 >>4446484 none there either

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 01:22:49 2017 No.4448037 >>4447950 An s-video switch/receiver so you can actually plug all your devices into the 1 s-video port your TV is going to have.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 01:26:25 2017 No.4448045 >>4446956 I have one of these it's a piece of shit I gave it away and the guy junked it lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 02:33:02 2017 No.4448103 Samsung syncmaster 794mb HP s7540 LG studioworks 441 Any of these worth picking up?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 03:04:31 2017 No.4448127 >>4446523 what game is that, btw? And ignore the guy ragging on you, he's just a tard who thinks things were better when no one in the US knew RGB existed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 03:06:45 2017 No.4448131 >>4446346 >>4446328 Where in Aus are you? I'n in Tas and i can tell you about six PVM's for sale locally right now, and the fact there are more than a few on gumtree to pick from. Including one 34cm. You should pull your head out of the sand.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 03:26:43 2017 No.4448154 >>4448131 I'm about 2 hours north of sydney

Anonymous Fri Dec 8 03:54:19 2017 No.4448174

>>4446328
I live in Brisbane but got my first PVM in 2014. I would say that this was right before people on youtube and the internet were starting to spread info about them and drive the cost up. I got my 1454QM from a seller in gumtree while I was in melbourne in 2014. Paid about 50-75 bucks for it I can't really remember. Monitor was in great shape physically and the tube was mint. I haven't actually cracked into the service menu after all this time to check the ontime of the monitor, but I'll probably get around to it sometime.

I'm really happy with it even though it's only 14 inches, but it can do RGB/Component/S-Video/ and even composite if I need it. I'm pretty sure it can do 480p and apparently it has 600 lines which isn't too bad. Anything 240p looks absolutely mind blowing over RGB. Especially Genesis. The best part was when I took the PVM to the airport with me I got it flown with me back to Brisbane FOR FREE. No extra freight charge considering how fucking heavy these things are. I still can't believe I got away with that one.

To a fellow ausbro all I can say is keep trying. Eventually you might luck into something on Gumtree or even Ebay with someone who doesn't know what they have. I see 20" models go for a 300 sometimes if you are that desperate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 06:17:27 2017 No.4448320 >>4448154 As if no CRT's in Newy. Newy is a hole, lol.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 06:49:50 2017 No.4448336 >>4448320 https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/shortland/tvs/sony-trinitron-kv-1440as-crt-tv/1168142091 https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/shortland/tvs/rgb-modded-samsung-cs-29k40mq-retrogaming-crt-tv-w-scart-adapter/1167940478 Its fucked

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 06:57:26 2017 No.4448341 File: 23 KB, 450x600, $_20 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What in the fuck? 17 inch LCD made by packard bell with SCART RGB https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/umina-beach/tvs/lcd-tv-packard-bell-170asw-17-inch/1160476277

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 07:55:47 2017 No.4448382 >>4447973 I'm European lol chill man >>4448127 The game is called KoroKoro Post Nin for the PS1

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 21:54:58 2017 No.4449519 Is it worth keeping a 30 year old Sears 5" TV around? It can take a video and audio input.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 22:00:23 2017 No.4449530 File: 543 KB, 1645x1234, IMG_0017.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] KV-1311CR Highly recommend this TV to anyone willing to build the RGB adapter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 22:02:28 2017 No.4449534 >>4448341 i would be curious to see how rgb looks on it. see if he'll go down on the price.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 22:25:49 2017 No.4449565 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sony-Trinitron-PVM-14L2-14-Widescreen-CRT-Monitor/132422116228?hash=item1ed4f92384:g:xK8AAOSwzXxaJKnH for any QLD fags

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 22:55:01 2017 No.4449615 File: 403 KB, 609x343, Sin título.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone recognizes this model of AOC?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 23:00:26 2017 No.4449626 >>4449615 That OSD dial, shit was so fucking cash

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 01:19:27 2017 No.4449769
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Started my search for a CRT TV last week. Got my first one today. Can't afford the PMV I wanted because i'm broke from Christmas shopping (there was a pretty sweet deal someone was selling one with a RGB Scart SNES) but by complete chance I talked to someone that had a barely used GX-TV. They sold it to me for 20$. It's not MEDICAL GRADE or a broadcast monitor but it's still pretty interesting/unique. Has S-Video and supposedly it can be converted to RGB. The best thing about it though is the fucking sound on it. It has a built in subwoofer that sounds amazing for something 20 years old.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 01:22:03 2017 No.4449773

>>4448336
>https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/shortland/tvs/sony-trinitron-kv-1440as-crt-tv/1168142091
For a composite-only set of any size that's almost criminal, I'll grant.

I can't see the other link, it's gone. How much was the modded 29" for? And if you can't mod a CRT for yourself, how were you planning to use RGB? And if you weren't planning to use RGB, why do you need a CRT?

All that aside, stuff will come up. He's clearly getting his sets from somewhere, isn't he? Try local tips and recycling centres. I actually hit up my local harvey normal once a fortnight, to check out their free-use ewaste bins. Git a few sets out of there. HN themselves won't give a shit, but the guys who own the bins are paid by weight, so they'll get narky if they catch you.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 01:26:54 2017 No.4449779

>>4449773
f-me it's not even composite, it's RF. It's a stylish little set, those models are nice, but IMO it's not worth that much money unless you really want that set because you used to own it or something. Which I did, or one so similar it makes no difference, and i don't particularly want it.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Sat Dec 9 02:01:05 2017 No.4449818 >>4449769 >Has S-Video and supposedly it can be converted to RGB Just composite actually, but it certainly seems like it can be modded for RGB. The sound on the thing is crazy though. Not a bad picture for composite either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 02:06:16 2017 No.4449826 >>4449818 Dang you're right. I don't know why I thought I saw S-Video. There's a thread on Shmups about someone converting theirs to RGB, not sure if it would be worth all the trouble though.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 02:19:30 2017 No.4449838

>>4449773
I can do the RGB mod, in fact i posted my RGB mod of a mid 90's trinitron back when /vr/ first started. there was hardly any information about it back then. now a bunch of people are doing it.

Sadly that trinitrons geometry was fucked and ive not been able to find a replacement.

Even then id be happier with a composite only CRT than a HD LCD

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 02:47:07 2017 No.4449870
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Oh look. flat screen, composite and mono only for $20 and its a 2 hour return trip

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/charlestown/tvs/36cm-sony-flat-screen-tv-plus-set-top-box/1148576005

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 03:34:06 2017 No.4449930 File: 83 KB, 1200x900, 00q0q_6MGM9rrmv06_1200x900 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tell me what you can make of this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 03:35:00 2017 No.4449934 >>4449930 cool old NEC logo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 03:35:34 2017 No.4449935 File: 134 KB, 1200x900, 00a0a_7ALZDyUwgE8_1200x900 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4449930 For some reason it has BNC connectors, and I'm not quite sure what this computer connection actually is. posting from a craigslist ad

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 03:48:47 2017 No.4449948 >>4449838 Is there a standard procedure in modding a crt to rgb? I have an early 90's 12" trinitron that I'd like to mod.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 03:50:13 2017 No.4449949 >>4449935 composite video. thats pretty impressive considering how old that tv looks. Nice woodgrain pick it up if you can.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 03:59:12 2017 No.4449956

>>4449948
Find the service manual for your TV and locate the Jungle IC, it should have pins for R G B and the 5v blanking voltage.

I was lucky because my TV's circuit-board had unused solder points for them. so i just ran wires from those to a SCART connector that i cut a hole for. I needed to put some resistors and caps on there because the brightness was too high.

Do not attempt any of this if you don't know what you are doing. the voltage inside CRT's will kill you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 04:01:31 2017 No.4449958 >>4449935 Thats an RF switch box.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 07:01:32 2017 No.4450151 >>4449935 You've got a VTR connection there, the funny green one. Chances are it's composite only but I've seen it used for RGB sometimes.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 07:20:24 2017 No.4450175

>>4449948
>>4449956
Service Mnual first, then if you're stuck of confused visit the RGB hacking thread on the shmups forum. Google those terms and you'll find it. Read the thread and there's shitloads of advice, and people who are happy to help.

The point about safety is well made though. Hard to hurt yourself when the set is pwoered down though, as long as you stay away from the anode cap (rubber suction cup over the back the tube)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 07:32:05 2017 No.4450184 >>4450175 The big killer is actually the power supply. Those capacitors carry a decent amount of current which can easily fibrillate your heart as opposed to the anode which will just hurt a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 07:39:44 2017 No.4450189 File: 162 KB, 972x980, 1401602558509.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh hey i found my crude plans from when i was modding my tv in 2013.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 08:04:26 2017 No.4450226 >>4449870 Woman selling this said she would bring it to me, I would have preferred one of the older black bubble trinitrons but i think im just gonna have to settle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 14:35:30 2017 No.4450717 What's the best size for a CRT computer monitor? 17"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 14:50:06 2017 No.4450743 >>4450717 depends entirely on what you intend to do with it. even then I'd say h-sync rate and dot pitch are more important factors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 15:01:59 2017 No.4450761 >>4450743 It's gonna be used for emus, DOS games and low quality videos What are the main things I should look for?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 15:50:20 2017 No.4450867 File: 2.22 MB, 2539x3456, IMG_20171209_154633538-01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gets the job done and then some.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 16:06:02 2017 No.4450909 >>4450867 how trendy :-)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 16:38:06 2017 No.4450959 >>4450761 If you're not looking for super sharp with noticeable scanlines I'd go for 15"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:05:24 2017 No.4451018 My Sony Trinitron has some grease spots that water doesnt seem to wash off.. What product do you recommend for that? i have no idea what to do about it, its pretty noticeable

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:27:07 2017 No.4451062 >>4450959 Sony Trinitron or Viewsonic? Any other brand you'd recommend?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:33:50 2017 No.4451072 >>4451018 You can use a razor blade on glass tubes without scratching them

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:35:21 2017 No.4451076 I want a Trinitron with composite connectors. How big can I go? 30"? I hope toget a 4:3 modernish model, any recomendations?

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:38:12 2017 No.4451083
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>use 240p test suite on sega genesis
>fucking perfect
>Play some NES games
>horizontal scrolling issues

Did I fuck up the first time, or do you need different settings each time you swiitch consoles?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:39:40 2017 No.4451085 >>4451083 NES had a different resolution

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:42:27 2017 No.4451094
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>>4451085

are you telling me I've been calibrating between my NES & sega genesis repeatedly, all because of that? Do I have to manually calibrate for each system, write down the horizontal & vertical values, & then enter them in each time I want to use a different system?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:42:51 2017 No.4451095 >>4451076 32" Sony Trinitron is little over 150 lbs which is at the upper limit of what I can carry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:44:31 2017 No.4451104 >>4451083 Yeah you fucked up bug time, should have got a CRT and used the money for the xrgbmeme to buy more retro shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:46:13 2017 No.4451108 >>4451094 Welcome to the PVMeme world

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 17:54:30 2017 No.4451118 >>4451095 I've been living with LCDs for a long time, I didn't remember that CRTs were so heavy. Now I'm thinking of going a little smaller since a 32" CRT weights more than I do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:13:22 2017 No.4451156 >>4451118 Keep in mind that the trinitron tube is the reason it is so heavy. Other TV brands will be much lighter at the same size. But the picture will be much worse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:30:22 2017 No.4451190 Is it normal for pieces of the screen, to move around a bit? I'm on PS1 on my toshiba 480i through component. Little things in the background, like boxes or barrels jump around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:31:36 2017 No.4451192 >>4451190 PS2...playing PS1 games Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:34:13 2017 No.4451203 >>4451072 This sounds like a troll post, but it's honestly true. Just make sure you use it like a scraper, not the corners or something stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:34:15 2017 No.4451204 >>4451190 How does this have to do with CRT?

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:36:09 2017 No.4451209

So I rent a 15x15 room from a guy. Gives me enough room to have a small entertainment/living room esque area, an area for my bed, and an area for storing my clothes, etc. So I just have a 24" flatscreen and I just play my retro consoles on it. Anyone else with not a lot of space have a solution?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:36:19 2017 No.4451210 >>4451204 Because that's what the fuck I'm asking moron...

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:37:22 2017 No.4451214

>>4451083

How is your genesis hooked up? Are you doing scart cables or such? If it's scart, you need a 75 ohm resistor on the r, g, and b, lines. You can put them in the scart head.

I've noticed there is a difference in most consoles. They vary slightly and may cause OCD problems, but should be playable once you get one set how you like.

Basically you're gonna have to either adjust your tv per console, or modify their output somehow to get them all the same, good luck with that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:38:25 2017 No.4451218 >>4451210 ok well you got your answer fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:38:55 2017 No.4451220 >>4451095 Shit the one I have (forget the size but it's a big fucker) weighs 265lbs. I had to get a buddy to help get it into the "retro" basement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 18:47:50 2017 No.4451238 >>4451156 I already own a shitty CRT from my childhood. But I wanted to upgrade to something better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:01:17 2017 No.4451410 whats a good price i can expect to pay for a 96 kHz computer monitor? >>4450717 21" imo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:29:49 2017 No.4451458 >Bring back home a 32" CRT TV >"It can't be much bigger than the 32" LCD TV I used to have" >It's fucking huge >I don't even know if people still make furniture to hold these 70kg appliances How do you live in an apartment and also have a CRT?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:30:58 2017 No.4451461 >>4451458 >How do you live in an apartment and also have a CRT? ingenuity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 02:21:04 2017 No.4451963 are flat screen trinitrons any good? I can get a 20" one for free. it has component and s-video.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 02:35:30 2017 No.4451985

>>4451963

Yeah, they are pretty great really. 20" should look great and not be super heavy. Flat CRT do usually have a bit of geometry issues, but honestly unless you're an autist, you're probably not gonna notice at all when playing games. You might see a few things in 240 test suite, but for games you'll likely never notice.

Unless you plan on going PVMeme route, trinitrons are some of the best.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 03:15:07 2017 No.4452054 >>4451963 Definitely worth it. I have the same one, with the built in speakers on the sides and the inputs in the front? I put it in storage because the 32" trinitron I have looks way better, but at 20" it's a great tv.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:57:35 2017 No.4452137 File: 26 KB, 800x600, $_20.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the spot above the av inputs looks like a SCART connector was meant to go there.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:21:42 2017 No.4452160

>>4452137
>the spot above the av inputs looks like a SCART connector was meant to go there.

Either that's a shit photo, or no it doesn't. Even a Scart cutout guarantees nothing, however, as some sets had chassis micoms modified for different regions. That said, it's always worth looking at the schematics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:41:17 2017 No.4452181 File: 148 KB, 1600x900, índice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] anyone can find the specs of this AOC screen? all i find is pages in polish or russian.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 06:19:47 2017 No.4452218 File: 247 KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_20171210-111831.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4452181 Your google-fu is not strong

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 06:27:25 2017 No.4452229 >>4452218 i was searching "AOC ARSCM7690" instead of "AOC 7VLR" my bad >mfw can only find crappy 70 kHz monitors are 96 kHz or higher that rare?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 06:46:46 2017 No.4452241 File: 18 KB, 640x360, 180753617_0.jpg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone recognize the brand of this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 07:08:07 2017 No.4452258 I could get a free 32'' Trinitron to replace my old 20'' JVC flatscreen crt. Should I do it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 07:31:44 2017 No.4452270 >>4452258 Do it, especially if it's a convex screen. Gotta love that lightgun, yo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 07:39:34 2017 No.4452274 >>4452258 This is me >>4451458 That 32" TV is fucking massive and I don't know where I'm going to find furniture to raise it off the floor. Don't toss that old TV just yet, it might just be more manageable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 07:56:15 2017 No.4452291 is 20€ a good price for a 1920x1440 CRT ? its for PC, Shadow Mask and 21" (20 viewable)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 08:38:24 2017 No.4452334 >>4451094 Or you can just find settings that are good enough for general use. Can't be bothered to set every console each time differently.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 08:57:54 2017 No.4452348 >>4452291 if in good condition, yes. even more if it's from a decent brand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 08:58:48 2017 No.4452349 >>4452348 its a wierd brand called ADI, never herd of it before

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 09:27:22 2017 No.4452365

>>4446392
I have an early 80s RF only Sears CRT that I got on the side of the road in high school. I used it all through college for /vr/ systems and my Xbox 360. For whatever reason, it had some of the best color of any CRT I've had since. I still have it in storage back home, wonder if it's still healthy...

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 09:32:01 2017 No.4452374

>>4451458
One bedroom apartmentfag here, I have a 14" I keep on one of those metal bookshelf type things from target. LCD in the living room, retro shelf next to the bed, so I can sit on the side and play. Doubles as a bedside stand, consoles fit on the lower shelf, etc, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 10:00:44 2017 No.4452393 >>4452374 you should post a pic on the battlestation thread, sounds comfy af

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 10:19:46 2017 No.4452410 >>4452393 Thanks, anon. I'll try and clean it up and take a good pic sometime; since the edge of the bed is like 1.5" away from the TV stand, it's a little difficult hard to get a representative shot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 14:20:11 2017 No.4452719 >>4451156 >falling for the meme There's plenty of tubes that are higher quality than shititrons

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 14:21:15 2017 No.4452720 >>4452365 It might have a nice line count. If you really like it you should look into modding it for better inputs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:11:21 2017 No.4452813 File: 3.31 MB, 3024x4032, 20171210_150613.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Making a man out of this guy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:32:36 2017 No.4452849 >>4452719 bait

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 15:48:00 2017 No.4452875
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Picked up an Ikegami HTM1505r on Friday. Haven't been able to test much on it other than yPbPr stuff because I don't have RGB cables. I wish this has Svideo so I could use that while slowly acquiring RGB cables.

Did Ikegami make an Svideo expansion card?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:22:48 2017 No.4452941 File: 380 KB, 910x528, delusional.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Whats the lowest you would pay for this combo?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:29:58 2017 No.4452949 >>4452941 I wouldn't pay anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:35:00 2017 No.4452957 I found out that our old philips 14gx8510 still works. But it only has a composite video. Is there a way to connect it to a pc?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:35:16 2017 No.4452958 >>4452941 I'm not meming here when I say I'd expect them to give it away for free if I came with a friend to haul this thing to my car and take it home. Most people would be giving it away for free or for 20 dollars max though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:43:48 2017 No.4452972 File: 296 KB, 696x489, download.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4452949 >>4452958 okay, you can stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:45:12 2017 No.4452981 >>4452972 >najwa fakhouri yes, before she moved to the states this was a great commodity in her home country. here? not so much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 16:57:31 2017 No.4452994 >>4452972 (POOS)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:06:09 2017 No.4453147 >>4452941 i see those on the curb by the trash at least once a month. i prefer to leave them there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:24:50 2017 No.4453182 >>4452957 You could use an HDMI or VGA to composite converter. Quality isn't the best and can usually only do 480/576i, not the 240p/288p that retro games used, totally fine for video.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 18:31:55 2017 No.4453193 >>4452393 Grabbed one a few minutes ago; you can't see the bed, but it is pretty comfy. >>4453189

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:03:23 2017 No.4453421 >>4452981 It's funny because it's true. Reminds me of the sega genesis lots written in ebonics on CL that include a model Genesis with sports games for like $150.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 20:13:51 2017 No.4453452 >>4446191 show me your pubes

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 23:52:17 2017 No.4453863 >>4451018 Keeping a bottle of meths in the cupboard is handy for this sort of thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 23:54:47 2017 No.4453869 File: 298 KB, 960x1521, IMG_8982.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just recently got a pvm 20m2u.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 23:55:31 2017 No.4453872
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Someone posted a pic of the SMW title screen on their CRT. I used to have a copy of it (good wallpaper) but I've lost it since my last reinstall. I've done a mockup of what it looks like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 00:28:41 2017 No.4453934 >>4453872 i literally deleted that pic like an hour ago :(

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 00:51:22 2017 No.4453961

>>4452374
I'd like to get a PVM if half the reason is that it's small and manageable.

At the same time I've already hauled this 32" Trinitron back home and can't get it back out without help. And I'd hope that the large surface area really benefits lightgun games, and "large scale 3D games" could look great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 01:48:18 2017 No.4454031 File: 69 KB, 800x600, fpd09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone ever seen one of the LG super slim CRT's?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 01:48:49 2017 No.4454032 File: 13 KB, 500x500, 364058173_1_1000x700_lg-tv-colour-crt-29inch-excellent-condition-margao.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4454031

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 01:57:21 2017 No.4454040 >>4454032 might as well just get a lcd. crts are supposed to be fat and bulbous.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 02:08:09 2017 No.4454057
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>>4452875
Since you are probably the guy I sold this to, and that was your question you asked before you drove off, but no.

just get RGB Cables or a SDI to HDMI Converter. RGB/SCART

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EIOP0QC/

and RGB Scart is all up to you

here is a pic of all the expansion cards in your monitor, and I don't think any of them are S-Video

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 02:48:20 2017 No.4454095 The bigger the TV the louder the whine right? The Trinitron I brought back actually gave me a headache when I tested it for five minutes. If one of the things LCD did right is not having this baseline operating noise

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 07:29:39 2017 No.4454305 What are the odds, i was looking up Sega SC-3000 and found a video with the TV im getting. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rz52hqUsUI >>4449870

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 07:34:21 2017 No.4454312 >>4454031 >>4454032 they suck, big time.

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon Dec 11 10:47:10 2017 No.4454478 File: 1.25 MB, 1920x1440, 1478837601730.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4453872

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 11:01:00 2017 No.4454490 >>4454095 TVs are shit, get a VGA monitor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 14:16:23 2017 No.4454726 >>4454057 Yeah that was me lol. I'm just going to use it for composite/yPbPr until I get RGB stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 14:35:29 2017 No.4454760 File: 40 KB, 498x373, 0SP4q18AZr47l2y9gzrfaUUc2KizQ2SV8do2inYMF58.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it a good idea to put something heavy (Like a receiver) on top of a PVM or any CRT really?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 14:38:34 2017 No.4454767 >>4454760 Depends on how sturdy it is, or if it's a flat surface. My PVMs is really hollow, and the case, while very flat, I wouldn't put anything much heavier than a VCR on top of it.

Kya !kDashing02 Mon Dec 11 14:39:08 2017 No.4454769

>>4454760
For a PVM/BVM, so long as it's properly supported and isn't throwing out interference, there shouldn't be any issues. People stack PVMs on top of each other, so something like a (comparatively) small receiver isn't going to do any damage.

Most CRT TVs aren't going to really be built to have much sat on top of them from a lack of either flat surfaces at all, or what is flat is very shallow. Something like an old console TV would be perfectly fine for that though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 15:01:12 2017 No.4454823 >>4454760 Only thing I'd avoid stacking is things with fans or big transformers, field leakage can affect the image.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 15:27:53 2017 No.4454846
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Anyone here who has a clue about this thing? Like when they were manufactured and such. I suspect it's an older model.
I have the chance to get this thing for basically free but I can't find too much info on it.
It does have an RGB input but it's pretty inconvenient since it only takes it via an 8 Pin DIN with separate sync so I'd have to whip something up for it.
Either make a separator circuit or rewire the inside since the sync does get combined on the inside anyways.
The look ff it is pretty awesome though.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:06:48 2017 No.4454914

>>4454846
Looks like it's from ~1983 https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/jvc_1_inch_videorgb_monitor_t.html found a service manual for it here https://elektrotanya.com/jvc_tm-90psn-k_sm.pdf/download.html Looks like it would accept combined sync on the H pin depending on the position of the sync switch. The RGB input is digital for TTL levels, with a circuit that goes directly to the CRT drive board, so not usable for analogue signals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:17:32 2017 No.4454942 >>4454914 I doubt there's any way to repurpose this monitor for RGB right? From what I just read RGB TTL seems be somewhat linked to CGA. Damn and this monitor looked so nice...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:27:50 2017 No.4454958 >>4454942 Could be done by designing an amplifier for it to get the levels right, but not easy. Looks like modifying for PAL S-video could be done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:28:22 2017 No.4454961 File: 95 KB, 1275x749, circuit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4454942 Excuse my idiocy but could something like this theoretically work?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:32:11 2017 No.4454967 >>4454961 Yes, but that's probably even harder than just doing the custom amplifier on the RGB lines.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:44:14 2017 No.4454986
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This has come up free in my area, looks really old. There’s no mention but do you think it’s black and white? I can’t find any information on it.

The make is “Tashiko”

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:47:23 2017 No.4454990 File: 13 KB, 476x173, circuit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4454967 So in the end what the crt board receives in the end is Luma and the differences between R, G & B to that, right? Isn't that kind of like YPbPr?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:52:14 2017 No.4454994 File: 9 KB, 300x227, Fucker.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will this shit introduce any artifacts or lag? Should I use this fucker with my old gaymer pc as a retro machine or should I use my old vaio laptop that has direct VGA output?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:54:39 2017 No.4455000 >>4454986 That little 3 color badge on the front would typically indicate a color model; looks cute, would pick up if I were in your shoes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:55:40 2017 No.4455003 >>4454994 That's going to be DVI-A to VGA, which is to say it's not converting anything so no lag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:56:44 2017 No.4455005 >>4454986 >do you think it’s black and white? The red, green and blue emblem plus the "colour" control would suggest otherwise. Looks pretty low-rent though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:57:51 2017 No.4455006 >>4455005 tiny, low-rent, consumer sets are pretty much the best for NES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 16:58:19 2017 No.4455008 >>4455003 Will it harm the image quality in any way?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:01:22 2017 No.4455013 File: 420 KB, 1500x844, dvi_vga_fmAdaptor_back_lrg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4455008 No, it's straight analog to analog; it will look exactly the same as VGA. You should make sure your GPU actually supports DVI-A though.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:04:42 2017 No.4455020

>>4455013
It does, I just wanted to know since I found this old vaio laptop that has direct vga output. But I don't think it can handle retroarch running at 120FPS + BFI. So I'm just gonna buy the cpu cooler and psu and use my old gaymer PC even though it's a little bigger than I'd like to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:12:08 2017 No.4455035 >>4455020 Sounds like a plan to me, hombre.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:14:03 2017 No.4455038 >>4455035 Yep, also got a 15" Trinitron monitor so it's gonna be fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:33:58 2017 No.4455078 >>4453193 nice, looks great anon!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:55:32 2017 No.4455103 >>4452270 Doesnt matter if the crt is flat or curved lightgun games still work. Its non crts that have the problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:56:58 2017 No.4455108 >>4452941 >>4452972 Id pay 50-60 bucks if it included the tv stand

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:03:43 2017 No.4455115
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My knowledge of good CRTs is close to none, but I found this cheap Sony Trinitron near my place that they are giving away. I'm a yuro and I'd be hooking it up to a jap Saturn. Is this model worth a shot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:05:01 2017 No.4455118 File: 44 KB, 660x370, IMG_2927.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] and a frontal picture. I especially wanted a 4:3 so I wouldn't need to worry about aspect ratio as I play my 16:9 on HDTV anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:10:30 2017 No.4455129 >>4455115 >>4455118 >curved >not 100hz looks good, go for it

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:22:11 2017 No.4455145 >>4455129 What's wrong with 100 hz? Did they have meme 50 hz screens with interlacing even then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:26:26 2017 No.4455150 >>4455145 no lightgun, no scanlines, processing lag, pretty sure scrolling artifacts also.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 18:40:33 2017 No.4455172 >>4455150 And this isn't one of them? Great. One reason I'm getting it is for House of the Dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:47:09 2017 No.4455276 How's the emulation quality on Wii VC games? Lotsa NES and SNES games I'd like to play but I'd prefer not to shell out $150+ just to experience Earthbound on a CRT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 02:59:38 2017 No.4455854 >>4455276 Not very good. I can't recommend just making an investment in an SD2SNES enough, ever since I got one I don't play SNES games any other way

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 03:53:51 2017 No.4455895 >>4455854 SD2SNES is not 100% though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 07:55:14 2017 No.4456091 >>4455118 Those tubes are awesome. That's a good find, I really prefer the curved trinitrons. Too bad they normally have S-video or composhit here

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:09:27 2017 No.4456103 What would cause a Super Famicom to show washed out colours compared to a Wii? Both through RGB. I thought it was the CRT but the Wii looks so much better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:20:50 2017 No.4456118 >>4454726 >>4452875 not sure if it's like the 2050RA1, but pull out the remote board and make sure the dip switch has 480p enabled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 08:24:27 2017 No.4456123 File: 208 KB, 1600x1200, sharp-monitor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4447984 sharp made professional monitors. I've seen some from the mid-late 80s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:03:07 2017 No.4456174 >>4455276 You can just install the homebrew channel and have a totally acceptable 240p experience. The emulation isn't perfect, but for RPGs you're not going to be REEEEEing about accuracy, in my experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:04:23 2017 No.4456176 >>4455078 Thanks, anon, I've been enjoying it. Took me awhile to figure out what the best way to make use of my limited space would be. And I don't typically care about cable management, but that's my biggest issue with it as it currently stands...

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 10:28:45 2017 No.4456283
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Alright, working on a Trinitron, 36 inch model.
Anon from another thread told me to take it here and see if you guys could help out.
So, got a power issue. I get the 2 flashes from the red light on the front, and the screen doesn't come on. When you hear power it up, you get the Degauss buzz but no visual pops up whatsoever and no audio either.
Chances are most likely the issue is on the powerboard, but was just wondering before I hunt down where the issue is, if any of you had any suggestions or if anyone else had already seen this problem and had a general area they would look in before fixing it.
As I said in the other thread, I can take more pics and show whatever section I need to if that helps any anons. Otherwise, Monday morning is my first day of vacation til the end of the year and I'll be sitting down to figure this out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 13:27:08 2017 No.4456542 for me its the 2chip sfc. Has it all. Cheap price, good video, nice fuzzy blurry effect like a warm blankie or maybe kitty fur if you will. Get a toasty cup of hot soup and curl up with some nintendo games imo. thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 13:35:29 2017 No.4456558 >>4454478 Yes! This is the second time I've had to be "refurnished" with this image. Thanks, I'll make sure to save it somewhere safer now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 20:37:37 2017 No.4457319 is it bad to change resolution a lot in a computer CRT? I use different resolutions depending on the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 21:09:18 2017 No.4457390 >>4457319 they're literally designed to do that

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 03:51:04 2017 No.4458038 >>4455118 Was that the rare DINItron listing? Yeah, that is a good set. I mean, it has RGB.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 03:54:28 2017 No.4458042 File: 2.18 MB, 1844x1383, IMG_20171213_022441239[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] N64 S-Video looks pretty good, is it even worth modding for RGB?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 03:55:56 2017 No.4458043 >>4455150 >no scanlines 100HZ necessarily doesn't mean that. I have a 100HZ set and it supports progressive 240p with scanlines. Blurry scrolling and processing lag is a thing, though the lag only impacts lightgun games. It only works half the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 04:02:55 2017 No.4458046 File: 531 KB, 2048x1536, television.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4458043 (You) I see it as a trade off. I'd gladly have the ever so slight blur than to have to stand the irritating 50hz flicker.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 06:21:36 2017 No.4458139 pvm looks like indie pixel shit

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 08:14:44 2017 No.4458202
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So I got my own PVM and I connected it to a Wii using a RCA cable.
The image is green and I have no sound.
The model is PVM-2044QM.
I'll post another picture with the backside.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 08:15:48 2017 No.4458205 File: 1.17 MB, 2160x2160, 20171213_141222.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4458202

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 08:47:57 2017 No.4458235 >>4458205 Oh my god lmao. You are a complete moron hahahahahahah. The average pvmeme baby everyone lmaoooo

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 08:50:26 2017 No.4458239 >>4458205 >>4458202 lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 08:55:21 2017 No.4458246 File: 15 KB, 235x215, 9B3A358E-B5FA-4EB1-B448-11B530B1DE2E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4458202 hey guse me got pvm wat i do now

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 09:01:31 2017 No.4458254

>>4458205
Try plugging that composite lead into LINE VIDEO A instead of the GREEN channel, homeslice. And you're also plugging your right channel audio feed into the RED channel, your PVM is mono, so leave that one out of the equation. Set your Wii to MONO in Sound Settings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 09:44:19 2017 No.4458310 >>4458254 Don't listen to this guy. If you do this is will RUIN YOUR PVM.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 10:05:44 2017 No.4458338 >>4458310 kek, give the dude a break. If no one helps him, it's just another PVM going unused. I'd rather see one be used than not, even by a n00b.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 10:36:53 2017 No.4458378 Seriously. Its ridiculous that you are trying to ruin his brand new PVM. It's extremely dangerous to mess around with the plugs on these things, they will kill you

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 10:50:04 2017 No.4458393 My PAL SNES is modified with a 60hz switch, would I need to buy NTSC or PAL RGB cables?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 10:51:17 2017 No.4458396 >>4456103 Perhaps your cable is missing 220uf capacitors? These filter out the DC offset present on the RGB output which would cause the signal to be overdriven and appear too bright.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 10:57:18 2017 No.4458402 File: 69 KB, 276x328, 1400419395950.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4458393 There's no such thing as PAL RGB but you definitely want one made for EU consoles unless you happen to think injecting 12v into the sync line is a good idea...

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:19:11 2017 No.4458652

>>4458254
I swear I did all that at first and got no image and no sound. Then again I played with it after my night shift wile I was in zombie mode. That combo was the only one that got me image AND sound.
Gonna try again in a bit and tell you guys how it goes.
Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:32:11 2017 No.4458675 >>4458652 Well it works now. I guess I am a retard. Thanks dudes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:36:14 2017 No.4458679 >>4458675 Do you think you could do a modicum of research into the equipment you purchased next time

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:44:04 2017 No.4458694

>>4458679
I did. I got the service manual, been reading some threads and forums about it about how to set it up an all that. But my dumb move was trying to plug the console in the Analog RGB/component slots. That's where it seemed to go, after doing that and seeing I have no picture or sound I messed around with it until I got something.
Finally I said fuck it and asked here.
Anyway the image is a bit off and the colours are all over the place so I'm gonna mess with those now and see where I get.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:46:46 2017 No.4458701 >>4458205 Theres no way that this isn't just trolling

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:47:25 2017 No.4458702 >>4458694 nigga you put an audio cable into the video input

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:51:30 2017 No.4458708 >>4458701 Believe it anon, I wasn't trolling at all. >>4458702 Does it help if I say I didn't know which one was the audio cable?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:53:41 2017 No.4458713 >>4458708 You’re the one who made a fool of himself. It was obvious.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:58:42 2017 No.4458721
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>>4452365
just picked up this 28" sears set, the guy who sold it to me claimed that sears just slapped their logo onto crts from different japanese brands, he said probably panasonic, misubishi or even sony but I find it sort of hard to believe.

what do you guys think? this is n64 hooked up with s video

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:59:50 2017 No.4458723 >>4458713 Even more hilarious is that he thinks he’s getting RGB now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 13:59:54 2017 No.4458724 >>4458721 a shit, the picture got all fucked up when I resized it

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 14:00:35 2017 No.4458727 >>4458713 Fair enough.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 14:03:20 2017 No.4458731

>>4458205
Oh my fucking god, this is gold.

Anon, plug the yellow cable into Video A or Video B's input. The red and white cables go to your speakers or receiver. You're trying to use composite on your Component/RGB inputs.

Go buy a set of cheap Wii component cables to replace those shitty composite cables. You have an RGB capable PVM so you really should be using component or RGB if at all possible.

Did you do absolutely any research on what you bought?

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 14:21:48 2017 No.4458768

>>4458731
Already got it working thanks to the other kind anon but thanks anyway.
Yes I did a bit of research but I didn't pay much attention to the cables, only got some BNC connectors so that they would fit, yes I know component is apparently better, I will get a new one in due time, for now I'm happy it's working.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 14:50:46 2017 No.4458809 >>4458721 Aside from the resizing banding, it looks great man. The color is vibrant, and the geometry appears to be solid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:09:24 2017 No.4459041 File: 289 KB, 2048x1358, A2FC5FAA-30EB-4B7C-AB32-543C7EE67F70.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are these connections on a CRT monitor?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:12:41 2017 No.4459043 >>4459041 Bnc

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:14:08 2017 No.4459046 >>4459041 v-sync, h-sync, blue, green, red

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:27:04 2017 No.4459245 >>4459046 and it supports sync on green by the looks of it

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:39:25 2017 No.4459267 >>4459245 and c-sync.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:51:03 2017 No.4459389 File: 52 KB, 668x547, BC49B6C1-CA5E-4A10-B236-388D32E1F850.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4458205 I’m going to make an educated guess that you’re under 18

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:56:20 2017 No.4459391 >>4458721 Take the back cover off with just a few screws and the tube manufacturer will be on there somewhere

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:24:42 2017 No.4459737 File: 309 KB, 960x1108, IMG_9054.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4453869 Taking pictures of a CRT screen is as hard as ever.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:38:58 2017 No.4460063

the nvidia video driver seems to disable my CRU custom resolutions at random times. sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt.
For example, today i opened GeforcE Experience and i heard the "USB unplugged" sound and it removed my resolutions so i had to restart, but other days i dont touch anything at all and it removes them anyway. How can i fix this?
Using latest nvidia drivers, Geforce 970, CRU 1.3

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:16:35 2017 No.4460517 That happens to me too and I use an AMD card. The only solution I've found is retstarting the graphics drivers with the "restart" executable that comes packaged with CRU

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:20:54 2017 No.4460527 I've never even played a video game but I just bought a sony PVM and an ikea stand. Can someone tell me the best angle to take pictures of this for reddit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:38:44 2017 No.4460560 >>4460527 How's that consumer set treating you, anon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:47:57 2017 No.4460676 >>4460527 This ought to get you on the right track, anon >>4454478

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:51:23 2017 No.4460778
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Absolute new in /crt/, so please don't bully.

At the moment I am trying to figure out with those TV I've acquired in some span of time.
top right: LG RZ-21FD15RX
bottom: LG RE-29FA33PX
top left: Samsung CK-3351A (just recently)

I don't know really shit about quality aspects of those CRTs, but all I can tell is that:
- So far, both on the top are good enough for me and played on them so far without problem.

- The bottom one, however does have an issues which
-- I don't know how it is called, Let say, that screen is not that stable and whole display is very slightly shaking. In the end display is slightly blurry, but it does not difficult reception, despite triggering my autism.
-- The display is either expanded beyond screen border (on NES) or slightly moved to left (SNES). This occurs both on RF and AV mode (both SCART and RCA)
-- This does not replicate on top right TV.
-- NOTE: The menu screen though is absolutely fine, being sharp on the edges and does not "shake" at all.

I understand, that first I need to dust off those TVs, as they were never open in their lifespan as far I know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:56:17 2017 No.4461676 File: 177 KB, 640x593, C7C1495E-50B8-4755-BCAC-A131A256EBEB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does this looks guys? Btw if I'm in spain, where can I get RGB cables for my PS2 and Wii? Maybe from some UK web and they would send it to me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:04:58 2017 No.4461696 >>4461676 Go for it. That particular model has the fe-2 chassis which I’ve read is one of the best for Trinitrons.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:19:57 2017 No.4461719 >>4455276 You mean Virtual Console? They are just perfect as far as I know, and emulating SNES on RetroArch it's great, even games like Yoshi Island run perfectly

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:26:14 2017 No.4461812 File: 2.95 MB, 3984x2988, 20171214_222320.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey, guys.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:28:51 2017 No.4461819 File: 1.62 MB, 2000x2667, 1513315574653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey, guys.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 08:19:43 2017 No.4462214 >>4461819 How much did you pay?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 08:30:24 2017 No.4462229 >>4460778 I was going through OP's pastebins, but a phrase "LG" never appeared. So I assume, that either they are beyond the league or are just hardly mentioned here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:35:51 2017 No.4462357 >>4461819 Very nice, is that a 20"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:15:24 2017 No.4462498 >>4462229 >>4460778 Anyone? please respond

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:27:15 2017 No.4462523

>>4460778
>- The display is either expanded beyond screen border (on NES) or slightly moved to left (SNES). This occurs both on RF and AV mode (both SCART and RCA)

Sounds like you need to adjust the horizontal and vertical positioning via the service menu. I'm not sure how to get into the service menu for LG CRTs.

>-- I don't know how it is called, Let say, that screen is not that stable and whole display is very slightly shaking. In the end display is slightly blurry, but it does not difficult reception, despite triggering my autism.

What console is this happening with and how is it hooked up. Are these SD or HD CRTs?

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:33:55 2017 No.4462528
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>>4449930
Hey guys, I picked up this cutie today. It's really cool, and surprisingly well-equiped. I can't figure out what the computer connection does, but it's definitely rca and NOT composite. The bnc connector is composite, though, pretty advanced for 1981. The guy gave me this cable with it that goes from bnc to a DIN and a 3.5mm, which I think must have been for daisy-chaining the signal to another unit or something, not quite sure.
The tv also has dials for picture, brightness, sharpness, etc. Overall I'm incredibly happy with it, especially because the picture hasn't deteriorated at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:37:20 2017 No.4462536 >>4462528 got pics of the computer connection?

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:55:35 2017 No.4462575

>>4462523
You mean there is hidden menu? I could try some googlefu.

>shaking issue
I've found on pilot "still image" function. After triggering it, the image is "frozen" and is NOT shaking.
On NES I've tried via RF (channel 3), RCA, SCART.
For reference, on smaller LG display is "stable".

Lemme check on SNES.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:05:01 2017 No.4462593 >>4462575 On SNES is ditto. FYI. Both SNES and NES are PAL. The issued TV is 100Hz. Not sure if this implies something here.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:11:11 2017 No.4462598
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>>4462593
>>4462575
>to enter service menu
>press OK both on RC and TV for 10 secs
>or MENU button

Time for more googlefu.
Perhaps someone here knows this parameters by chance?

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:26:45 2017 No.4462630
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So I’m hoping someone here can help me with this because I haven’t been able to find anything by searching, probably because I don’t know the right terminology. I have a Samsung GX and I’ve got these four pixels going through the black border of my TV. I don’t know if I messed something up in the settings or if they’ve always been there and I just didn’t notice before. Anyone know what’s causing it or if/how I can get rid of them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:32:33 2017 No.4462638 >>4462630 I'm pretty sure those are just a normal thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:46:00 2017 No.4462654 >>4462630 Fill them with a marker

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:48:21 2017 No.4462658 >>4462638 I was thinking that could be the case too but I just now noticed them so I wasn't sure. >>4462654 kek Im actually considering it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:49:17 2017 No.4462661 >>4462630 They're normal, used to set overscan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 14:09:48 2017 No.4462684 >>4462661 100% this

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 15:49:13 2017 No.4462837
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>>4462536
There she is. It's definitely rca, and it connects to the vhf/uhf inline with the antenna, but connecting with composite didn't get me a signal. Maybe I have to tune it to a certain channel, or maybe it's some obsolete coax connection.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:00:48 2017 No.4462870 >>4462837 It's RF. You need to tune it on the tv.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:13:12 2017 No.4462892 >>4462837 Those things are common as fuck. How have you not been exposed to one before now? http://saundby.com/atari7800mod/hookup.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:17:15 2017 No.4462904 >>4462870 >>4462892 Oh now that you mention it that is how the FC outputs rf, I don't know why I didn't put 2 and 2 together.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:01:51 2017 No.4462991 Can someone point me to some shielded component cables for my PS1/2? The OEM ones have become very expensive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:12:45 2017 No.4463012 >>4462991 "Retro console accessories" on eBay, she only has her store open in the morning. Alternatively retrogamingcables out of the uk. Or build them

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:13:47 2017 No.4463015 >>4462991 >>4463012 Nevermind, that's for rgb cables. For component, I don't know, maybe Monster cables?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:31:30 2017 No.4463185 >>4447674 Colorado as well. I also have a 27fv300 but I give it love and attention

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:32:08 2017 No.4463189 File: 1.09 MB, 1536x1536, 20171215_145738.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Made some bootleg RGB cables for Sega Genesis to use on my Ikegami HTM1505R. :o

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:37:00 2017 No.4463195 every crt i find is too big, i only want a 14 inch one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:41:59 2017 No.4463203 >>4463195 anything under 32 inches can be dumped at best buy, and is capable of being moved by one person.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:47:06 2017 No.4463207
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>Spent last 4 hours adjusting vertical & horizontal size on 240p test suite
>Used a tape measure to make sure squares were square & circles were circles
>Still nt certain if it's perfect due to overscan area

This is hell. With NES I think I have it as good as possible, but then there's junk data showing up on the sides that really makes me think I should adjust it. Is that normally visible on a CRT?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:57:08 2017 No.4463221 >>4463195 I dont think you realize how small that really is

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:01:58 2017 No.4463235 >>4463207 how the fuck did that take you 4 hours? and that's normal for NES.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:21:30 2017 No.4463248 >>4463221 I've had 21" and 14" i dont have the space for anything larger than the 14" and it is fine for my needs.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:28:05 2017 No.4463641

>>4463221

I used to have a 14" set up next to my PC that is really convenient and not too much desk space required. The extra sharpness of the smaller pixels is nice and there is no trouble seeing what's on the screen if you are only a few feet away.

But for pure comfy, gotta go 32"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:24:02 2017 No.4463752 >>4463189 gorgeous, I'd love to get an HTM1505. Have you opened the chassis to identify the tube? I have TM15-70R and I'm wondering just how similar it is considering they're both late run Ikegami monitors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:56:07 2017 No.4463816 >>4462214 $1 for the one on the top and $20 for the one on the bottom. >>4462357 Yeah, it's a 20L5.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:03:04 2017 No.4463895 I am devastated. Local recycler had a Trinitron security monitor for $15 and someone bought it before i could get it. Was pretty much like a pvm but with just S-video

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:07:15 2017 No.4463904 >>4463895 SSM-14n5u was the model number.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:15:34 2017 No.4463913 File: 308 KB, 1025x515, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this a joke?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:43:12 2017 No.4463935 >>4463913 Why do think it is a joke?

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:45:01 2017 No.4463937

Anyone here own a jvc xeye? I just bought one recently and it doesnt have an av out only composite out. From what i have seen online it should have an av out for genesis scart but it doesnt. Any other way to get it to use anything other than composite or did i waste $200

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:53:12 2017 No.4463941 File: 111 KB, 640x480, 9ssdac.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4463937 Found this during my two second Google search. Does yours not have the A/V out like on this one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:15:16 2017 No.4463963 >>4463935 A 9 inch, composite only monitor for $100 That is stupid.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:34:35 2017 No.4463982

>>4462991

Buy monster cables on ebay. I don't think PS1 outputs component, svideo is the best it does. If you haunt ebay, you can find the svideo and component monster cables for like $15 or less. I got a mislabled set or component (called them svideo) for like $8 shipped.

They are damn good cables, I autistically bought like 4 sets for backups or for multiple systems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:35:50 2017 No.4463983 >>4463982 get the fat purple ones

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:59:28 2017 No.4464048 >>4463185 My 46HX850 stole its limelight. Once I get more space I’ll bring it back out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:37:14 2017 No.4464082 >>4463935 >>4463963 Not a joke, just Australia. Slap PVM on the front of a CRT and charge tens times what anyone in their right mind would pay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:02:46 2017 No.4464153 >>4462528 That DIN cable is likely some form of RGB, otherwise I don't see why it would have 5 pins. My commodore monitor uses a DIN cable for analog RGB. Take some pics of the back

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:05:31 2017 No.4464158 >>4464153 nvm its RF

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:40:38 2017 No.4464187 File: 2.52 MB, 4032x2268, 20171216_053926.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4463941 As you can see it doesnt have that

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:46:49 2017 No.4464190 >>4464187 you got ripped off mate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:47:56 2017 No.4464191 I found a Sony Trinitron model number KV-21T1D close to me for cheap. It has only one RGB SCART input but I can deal with with that. I'm not familiar with the model, is it good?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:48:54 2017 No.4464192 >>4464191 its a trinitron with scart,. its better than what 70% of /vr/ has

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:58:21 2017 No.4464203 >>4464187 it's fake then

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 09:56:23 2017 No.4464284 >>4464190 Well time to see if i can refund it or sell it to another sucker like me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 10:25:10 2017 No.4464321 >>4464284 Adding the ports yourself isn't too hard either

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 11:35:15 2017 No.4464431 >>4446990 Depends on the TV really but 14-25 inches is the ideal screen size IMO.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:30:13 2017 No.4464639 >>4463937 >>4463941 >>4464187 just found this : >For AV, it's the same. There are three flavors of JVC X'Eye output: RCA + DIN, DIN only, RCA only. sorry m8y

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:34:08 2017 No.4464647 >>4463221 14" Toshiba here. I love mine. Sitting right on my desk next to my computer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:52:42 2017 No.4464681 >>4463752 Haven't been in there yet but will eventually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:15:04 2017 No.4464981 >Some dumb fucker posts an ad for an s-video only 20" JVC (without even expansion port) >200€, no bargaining >Obviously doesn't sell >3 months later, reposts the ad >300€, no bargaining I swear, people are stupid...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:41:00 2017 No.4465027 >>4464981 Craigslist is so stale right now . It's the same people listing the same overpriced shit that doesn't sell over and over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:27:55 2017 No.4465090 >>4465027 As bad as Facebook is, marketplace is decent. casuals more inclined to sell cheaper.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:55:16 2017 No.4465234 >>4465027 this Literally the exact same old shit for the past year. Nothing good at all. I honestly think Craigslist is dead

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:01:58 2017 No.4465619
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So I did end up getting that old JVC tm-90psn crt.
It sadly only has inputs for composite and digital RGB.
I'm still investigating on how I could be able to get it to eat analog RGB and I've found some pointers online but before I'm gonna start putting anything together I'd like to hear if anyone here has a better idea on how to pull it off.
For this to work I'm gonna have to feed the CRT socket board my own signals. Unfortunately it does not take RGB directly so I'm gonna need a circuit that takes my RGB signal, converts it to Luma, Green - Luma (G-Y), Red - Luma (R-Y), Blue - Luma (B-Y) and then feeds it into that board.
I don't really have any experience in designing circuits nor could I find a circuit example for this exact purpose online.
Only thing I did find was this http://www.linear.com/solutions/1321 but I'm still not sure this would work and parts would be pretty costly.
Anyone here who could point me in the right direction?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:03:24 2017 No.4465623 File: 200 KB, 1907x1654, circuit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4465619 wrong picture. This is the right one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:16:40 2017 No.4465640 >>4465623 can't you use RGB inputs at the bottom ? Do you have the rest of scematics to see how composite gets decoded ? Might be worth to ask at Shmups forum, in RGB convert thread.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:21:50 2017 No.4465645
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>>4465640
Yeah, I think I might ask there as well.
I do have the schematics https://mega.nz/#!34UQVaRL!r_NtWO_WvBVMdq78GbY7z6yN_tcWorGenCXluLnmtK4
The RGB inputs on the bottom are the RGB TTL inputs, so feeding analog RGB through that shouldn't work, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:27:10 2017 No.4465648 >>4465234 CRT's are just generally becoming extinct in the wild. I don't think there is an active market anywhere for them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:44:04 2017 No.4465675 >>4465645 hmm, might actually be able to use RGB after the AND gates ? Would need confirm but maybe...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 03:42:09 2017 No.4465993 File: 335 KB, 338x600, $_20.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should i get this? Its just some random chinese brand but it has YPBPR and s-video. there isnt much else around

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 04:03:53 2017 No.4466020 >>4465993 You could probably hook into the RGB connection from the DVD player.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 04:11:15 2017 No.4466027 File: 169 KB, 1600x1200, s-l1600 (6).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This only has composite, but thats ok since i mostly just play NES, but its flat screen so i'm a bit concerned.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 04:14:59 2017 No.4466031 >>4466027 model is KV-PF14M40

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 05:23:33 2017 No.4466071 File: 124 KB, 749x999, s-l1600 (8).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] its so cute.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 05:50:58 2017 No.4466094 File: 198 KB, 984x646, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4466027 Looks like it has a place for RGB SCART on the circuit board, i need to find the UK/EU model schematics to see how it's wired.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:49:24 2017 No.4466148 >>4466094 The RGB, blank signals on CN307 you see there are connected to the procesor's OSD output, you'd need to cut the connection to that to use it as RGB video input instead, and would lose the ability to see the OSD.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:53:51 2017 No.4466152 >>4466148 looks like someone already did the mod to this exact model https://imgur.com/gallery/42kRH

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 09:20:08 2017 No.4466279 File: 89 KB, 640x640, 13696851_1672845456372766_223709300_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4466027 must be a common model

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>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 09:38:52 2017 No.4466303 >>4465675 Aren't those lines digital? How would that work? The space in that monitor is crammed as fuck so I'd prefer not randomly doing stuff. How do you come to that idea?

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 09:58:58 2017 No.4466326

>>4466303
the AND gates give a logic signal, but it still goes through a buffer/amp transistor before going to the neck. So analog RGB after the AND gates might work, if someone manages to calculate min-max values.
Kinda like OSD hacks, pretty sure OSD RGB values are akin to digital RGB and yet feeding analog RGB often works.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 10:43:27 2017 No.4466380 >>4466326 Ok, sounds promising. So should I solder right to the outputs of the and-gate chip like pictured or after the amp transistors also on the picture?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 10:44:30 2017 No.4466382 File: 66 KB, 1163x795, circuit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4466380 Again, I forgot the image. Sorry

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:28:51 2017 No.4466557 File: 699 KB, 540x524, kermit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4464431 >14 inches >ideal lol you PVM fags will do anything to justify those tiny screens

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 12:32:25 2017 No.4466564 File: 20 KB, 534x534, spiderman-boss-laughing[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4463248 >>4463641 >>4464647 see: >>4466557

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:06:16 2017 No.4466616 File: 21 KB, 400x300, off-the-air-space.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] woah...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:21:13 2017 No.4466647 >>4466020 Why would the DVD player be wired for RGB when DVDs are encoded for component?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:29:37 2017 No.4466660 i only enjoy gaming on things i overpaid for t. collectorfag

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:32:07 2017 No.4466665 >>4466292 nice set up. i hope you paid $0 for these like a true patrician.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:33:37 2017 No.4466668

I have a question, it's about a rgb modded sega master system 2, but it relates to CRT. I'm hoping someone here is experienced at this.

So I have a SMS 2, it was modded the old way, with wires coming off of the cxa1145, resistors and capacitors then going to the output jack. It worked perfectly, though had some faint jailbars.

I decided to use an arcadetv board on it to get rid of jailbars. I used https://circuit-board.de/forum/index.php/Thread/21345-TUT-Master-System-2-RGB-Bypass-updated/ and https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/115948745418514736250/albums/6081335376801653137 to hook it up.

I have output/votage at each of the r, g, b, csync, and audio at the output jack. When I hook it up to my crt I have no picture, but I do have sound. I also have continuity to the ground.

Basically, it appears I have output at every pin that should have, yet there is no picture. Does anyone have any ideas what to check?

If worse comes to worse I can always re install the old style mod, but I'd like to use this arcadevga style as it's supposed to get rid of jailbars. Thanks for any info/ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:41:11 2017 No.4466678 Just picked up a HUGE monitor from a brand called ADI that just shows up in CRU as "ADI5850 - ADI GS120A-1" It only seems to show image if i have my dual setup in "duplicate" mode. What can i do? Win7

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 13:55:50 2017 No.4466702

>other people on the internet have way more games then me
>but they game on HDTV
Hehe jokes on you fuckers. I only play my original games on original unmodded consoles on the correct TV for that time period. Sorry y'all don't have as refined taste as me. Better luck next time.. ASSFAGGOTS

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 14:01:58 2017 No.4466717 can i get a retard-proof guide on adding custom resolutions for a CRT through CRU on PC ? i know the basic maths to calculate the max and min refresh rate, but i dont know if i should use an extension block or wich of them or what!! >~<

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 14:16:50 2017 No.4466758
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>>4466326
I just tried what you told me.
Couldn't get it to work. Neither by connecting directly after the and-gates, nor by connecting directly to the output header on the PCB.

Only time I could ever get a picture was when I connected my sync line directly to one of the color lines, which gave me a fullbright color image with sync-flickering but I was able to make out some details. I doubt that's gonna bring me any closer to my goal though.

Do you have any other ideas? I already posted on the shmups forums but it needs to get approved by a moderator first.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 14:20:23 2017 No.4466779 >>4466702 >t. 4k TV owner

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 14:22:21 2017 No.4466784 File: 3.43 MB, 2074x1555, out.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4466758 Also, here's what the composite output looks like if anyone cares. Not a professional photo by any means but eh...

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 14:23:37 2017 No.4466790

Is a KV-29FX66E a good option to buy? I like almost everything about it (3 SCART sockets, 1 S-Video socket, NTSC decoder), but the lack of component video is somewhat scary to me. It seems like I can find a Trinitron either with SCART or with component.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 14:46:02 2017 No.4466869 >>4466678 CRT monitors are not plug-n-play You need to find the .inf file somewhere that has the monitor presets in it. Why you are using a CRU is beyond me

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 14:47:08 2017 No.4466874 >>4466647 ??????????????????

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 15:00:06 2017 No.4466906 >>4466874 Very informative post, thank you.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:01:23 2017 No.4467051

>buy ADI G1000 monitor
>expect amazing PC gaming at 1920x1440
>connect it and turn the PC on
>turns on, black screen
>check in my second monitor other resolutions
>works in 1280x1024 and below
ummm
why is this happening
also where can i find the inf file for this? ADI doesnt make CRTs anymore

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:25:46 2017 No.4467151 >>446602 かわいいです

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 16:32:19 2017 No.4467173
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Trying to fix Geometry & Linearity on a PVM. Did they ever make one of those suction cup probes for a 20M2MDU? I know they did for some BVMs, but if I can just plug one into a PVM to have it fix all my issues automatically that wuld be fantastic. Does ayone know what I'm talking about? I can't find any online for sale & don't know if they're just really rare or I'm searching the wrong terms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 17:19:41 2017 No.4467270 >>4467051 specs would be helpful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 17:23:55 2017 No.4467275 >>4467173 They're really rare They don't work on a PVM They only fix colour balance, not geometry

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 17:27:45 2017 No.4467280 >>4467051 use bnc or remove edid pin

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:01:29 2017 No.4467340
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>>4467275
>They only fix colour balance, not geometry

Someone really needs to post a guide on calibrating a PVM step by step. I've tried measuring squares with a tape measure with the 240p test suite, & even after making them all the same size by changing V & H size I still get slight scrolling issues.

Kya !kDashing02 Sun Dec 17 18:27:28 2017 No.4467382

>>4466557
>>4466564
A couple of the people you're responding to are talking consumer sets, not even PVMs. And, if you're using it for a desk setup, 14'' may not be ideal, but it is certainly enough. 20'' is nicer even on a desk, and sort of needed if you're gonna sit further back though.

>>4466869
>>4466678
It's also possible that either your GPU has "Ignore EDID" set in the options somewhere and as such is just using Window's default monitor config. If you didn't start the computer up with the monitor attached already, turn it off and try that. If it's still not working you may have to actually download the specific INF for the monitor or edit an existing one.

>>4467280
BNC is liable to get them back to the same point and force them back to just using the fallback INF file since the OS won't know what the fuck it'll take. Depending on what GPU/software they're using, they may be able to just manually tell the system what the monitor will accept and it will populate options up to those limits. Newer Catalyst (for pre-GCN, ~15.xxx) will do this to some extent, as well older Catalyst(~9.x?) via the "Force" option, though the latter is a bit more limited in regards to what combinations it'll allow.

>>4467340
Adjusting horizontal and vertical size for a static image isn't going to adjust for linearity. They're things that need to be adjusted separately.

You're not wrong that a calibration guide would be nice though.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 18:31:38 2017 No.4467389

>>4467382
>BNC is liable to get them back to the same point and force them back to just using the fallback INF file since the OS won't know what the fuck it'll take.
if there's no edid, it won't use any .inf since it cannot detect it obviously.
Each time I used BNC or DVI-VGA with edid pin removed, it allowed me to set any res.

Kya !kDashing02 Sun Dec 17 18:35:53 2017 No.4467393

>>4467389
Someone in the Discord was actually having that exact issue regarding going directly to BNC with an FW900 and it only offering them basic resolution options; Switching to VGA so EDID would be passed solved the issue for the most part.
It wouldn't be surprising if it's because the monitor is quite well known and W7 was able to just pull the proper info from WU where it can't for the ADI, but it's not a guaranteed fix.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 19:59:18 2017 No.4467570 >>4466380 Either would work, you'd need to design an amplifier to get the voltage levels right.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 21:21:21 2017 No.4467749
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>>4467382
>Adjusting horizontal and vertical size for a static image isn't going to adjust for linearity.

Well how the hell DO you adjust for Linearity then? Clearly I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 22:01:38 2017 No.4467803 >>4466071 We used to have one similar to this but it was silver. composite only but I was 8 and didnt really care, It let me play my mega drive in peace.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:18:41 2017 No.4467917 >>4467749 The grid scroll thing in 240p test suite is ideal

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:31:15 2017 No.4468230 What are the best flat-screen PVMs/BVMs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:41:33 2017 No.4468239 >>4467270 only found a specs page in CNET website, and i saw CNET show wrong specs in the past. https://www.cnet.com/products/adi-microscan-g1000-crt-monitor-21-series/specs/ >>4467280 not sure what BNC is

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 02:46:53 2017 No.4468245 >>4468239 >not sure what BNC is someone is going to have a field day directing their autistic anger at you for not knowing something, but... they're the connectors that twist and lock on. used on PVMs. just google it

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 03:11:19 2017 No.4468267 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdVTuYmtZAU which do you prefer?

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 04:51:16 2017 No.4468373
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>Do factory reset on pvm to fix geometry & linearity
>somehow it works & things no longer change size when scrolling
>but now colors aren't as vivid

God help me, I didn't write down the RGB levels in the service menu. I wrote down everything else, but not the color levels. How hard is it to adjust color intensity in 240p test suite? Changing color temperatures helped, but it's still not as vivid as before, even with contrast all the way up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 05:33:17 2017 No.4468409 >>4452941 I paid 50 bucks for a TV like that with 15$ delivery and it felt overpriced. With the stand it's a somewhat better deal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 05:41:24 2017 No.4468413 File: 558 KB, 1600x1200, 20171218_114002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] when i set my ADI G1000 to its native res (1920x1440@75 Hz) this happens: The highest res i can pick without this wierd shit is 1280x1024 wich works fine. How to fix?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 05:41:59 2017 No.4468414 >tfw bitch selling a tv on gumtree blocks your number for asking to see the TV working,

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 05:45:42 2017 No.4468420 >>4468413 Running a custom resolution? If so, try longer hsync width, possibly swap hsync polarity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 05:53:16 2017 No.4468427 >>4468420 no. its literally the stock resolution i will try, thanks

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 06:08:01 2017 No.4468437
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I posted this a bit further up and was told this connection was BNC.

Does that mean that with an adapter I could connect Scart RGB or component sources?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 08:09:10 2017 No.4468564 >>4468437 Most likely no, SD video including SCART is ~15kHz horizontal refresh rate, which most VGA monitors can't handle. It's RGB, not component, although you could use 480p, 720p or 1080i component sources through a transcoder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 11:30:45 2017 No.4468824 >>4468437 this display accepts sync on green, and rgbs and rgbhv. It's likely not a multiformat that'll accept 15khz signals, but only one way to find out for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:40:34 2017 No.4468954 Do DisplayPort female to VGA female adapters exist ? I can't find any. Because I would like to keep analog length to a minimum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:57:49 2017 No.4468981 >>4468954 https://www.amazon.com/HP-DisplayPort-To-VGA-Adapter/dp/B0025ZUF8K

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 12:58:50 2017 No.4468982 >>4468981 you did read...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 13:00:02 2017 No.4468984 >>4468981 You didn't quite read...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 13:02:09 2017 No.4468986 >>4468984 >>4468982 Add this https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Leader-DisplayPort-Female-Coupler/dp/B0728JTD95

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 15:55:20 2017 No.4469281 >>4461696 Got it today for 30€, previous owner even had the original remote. I didn't expect it to accept NTSC via composite. It's time to get those RGB cables now. I'm hyped https://imgur.com/gallery/s8L6n

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:13:14 2017 No.4469316 >>4468437 It might be multiformat, might as well try it. I had a viewsonic VGA monitor that could accept 15 kHz signals through BNC

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:17:43 2017 No.4469321 File: 3.06 MB, 4032x3024, 8E43B864-307C-4115-A6A7-3995AC3A5428.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4469281 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:20:15 2017 No.4469327 File: 759 KB, 2048x1536, 9D5E597E-D150-42C7-A20B-69856D4359E7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4469281 Pic related

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:22:37 2017 No.4469335 File: 1.01 MB, 2048x1957, ED2354BC-A56C-455D-9916-FA16CC49F990.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4469281 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:50:39 2017 No.4469410 File: 497 KB, 835x475, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] would this be better than a LCD?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:53:18 2017 No.4469417 >>4469410 Yes, no input lag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 16:53:34 2017 No.4469419 >>4446523 Damn, that looks nice.

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 17:00:29 2017 No.4469434
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Here's mine. It has an HDMI port and apparently some people on here say that it causing input lag on a/v inputs. Although I haven't noticed any difference from my older CRT

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 17:11:56 2017 No.4469456 >>4469434 I have that exact model but the HDMI port is dead. I have no idea how to fix it, google has failed me, and I've been too lazy to take it apart and troubleshoot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:15:04 2017 No.4469585 >>4469434 It is one of those 100Hz sets? Btw my KV-21LT1E has this issue where it will only turn on with remotes I I press it two times, I think this is making it impossible to get on the service menu. Any possible fix?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:16:06 2017 No.4469591 >>4469585 Sorry I meant *if I press the power button two times

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:24:25 2017 No.4469613 >>4469585 I'll have to check when I get home. Is there a problem with the 100hz sets?

>>	Kya !kDashing02 Mon Dec 18 18:28:54 2017 No.4469619 >>4469585 US didn't have 100hz sets, just went from SD to "HD" sets. The **HS420(nearly positive that's what model it is) does have input lag, but it's still pretty alright for 6th Gen+ 480p stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:38:23 2017 No.4469640 >>4469434 Those sets are good for watching anime but I don't like playing games on them. Everything gets upscaled to 1080i and causes input lag

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:41:51 2017 No.4469643 >>4447950 A trinitron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:48:13 2017 No.4469656 >>4452941 Free. Why pay for one when the next person that wants to get rid of it will give it out for free? >>4462630 Completely normal, I had a Panasonic that had these at one point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:50:11 2017 No.4469659 >>4469335 looks pretty decent for composite

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:52:10 2017 No.4469668 >>4465090 I can confirm this. I see XBR960s and FV310s for free every once in a while. I should snatch a SFP before they stop appearing

Anonymous Mon Dec 18 18:58:53 2017 No.4469684

>>4467173
You are thinking of the BKM-14L white calibration probe. They are only compatible with Sony monitors with input labeled "option" on the fronf. They were really expensive and most people didn't care about them when they came out, so there are very few out there, making them go for $500+ on ebay these days. It only adjusts colors and won't help with geometry.

More info here: http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/3859002051.pdf

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:01:14 2017 No.4469691 >>4469417 This but unironically

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 19:21:35 2017 No.4469742 >>4449530 wow tht looks fantasic ^^

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 20:55:33 2017 No.4470008 >>4469668 I'm tempted to get a 960 as well, just because of the SFP tube but I really think I'd be better off focusing on pro monitors.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 01:05:32 2017 No.4470428

>>4468373
Oof.
>Color temperature
Just try to keep that bang in the middle, don't shoot for too hot or cold.
>Color intensity
Honestly, aside from pulling up the RGB palettes on 240, using a game you KNOW is really helpful for calibrating colors. I always do that for PC monitors with tint settings. My go to games are SMB and Majoras Mask.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:44:23 2017 No.4470625 Is a 60 mile round trip too far to go pick up a composite only PVM for $15??

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 03:45:21 2017 No.4470627 Guys, I already own the 20" and 27" Sony XBR's that take rgb, and I just found another on OfferUp. Do I go for it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 06:12:05 2017 No.4470784 Hey guys what do you guys think of the Samsung tx-r2435. Its the only crt i have. Is it a decent one or should i toss it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:17:57 2017 No.4471049 >>4468230 Yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:31:27 2017 No.4471054 >>4468230 I'm a big fan of the PVM and BVM models

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:32:16 2017 No.4471056 >>4470784 No reason to toss your only CRT, hombre. Maybe when you find a better one sure, but not beforehand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:33:36 2017 No.4471059 >>4470625 no, it's not even worth it to pick up a composite only anything >>4447950 get a curved glass trinitron

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:39:30 2017 No.4471065
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>>4470625
That's not awful if it's in good shape (and if a 60-mile round trip is pretty standard in the area you live). Depends on what you want to play on it. There's a lot of anti-composite shittery like >>4471059 in this general, but if you're primiarily playing NES or something, they're great. I have a composite/S-video only PVM and it looks fantastic, certainly better than a consumer set. I got it for free from my last job, so I didn't spend on it, but I don't hate having it around.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 10:58:10 2017 No.4471085 >>4471065 If you are only going to use composite why bother with a PVM? That's retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 11:02:10 2017 No.4471086 >>4471085 Higher TVL, and if the price is right (free or slightly more than free), why not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 11:05:50 2017 No.4471091 >>4471085 Because some systems only output composite and a PVM/BVM handles it better than any other display. That said, I would never buy a composite only PVM because that means it's a security monitor and screenburned to fuckery.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 12:01:16 2017 No.4471160 File: 1.20 MB, 1535x2148, 32508E94-049E-4DCE-8FED-059D349A4EF9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 14:31:06 2017 No.4471358 >>4471160 beautiful

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 14:33:09 2017 No.4471359 >>4471085 A PVM probably has a better Composite image that a lot of consumers TVs have an RGB/Component image.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:06:28 2017 No.4471426 >>4471091 actually some pvm handle composite very poorly compared to some other monitors

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:08:43 2017 No.4471434 >>4471359 only if it's a shitty tv. getting a PVM and using composite is like ordering a filet mignon and eating it with ketchup.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:13:36 2017 No.4471443

>>4471434
If your PVM has better composite than your consumer set, and you're playing a console that only generates composite video, what's the problem? There's no food metaphors to be had, you're just playing that console at its best quality, on a high quality tube.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:14:23 2017 No.4471448

>>4471434
I use composite on my PVM for stuff that doesn't have any better alternatives. NES and a VCR mostly.

It looks better than it does on my consumer TV, probably because the higher quality phosphors and the higher TVL count.

And there's the matter of games that use lots of dithering effects, mostly Genesis and PS1 games. Without the color bleed of composite video, some of these games look downright terrible in anything higher quality than composite. Silent Hill on PS1 is a good example, this game feels nauseating to me over RGB because of the dithering on the fog. Over composite, although it's not nearly as sharp, the fog looks way better.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are times when it is appropriate to use composite video on a PVM.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:23:41 2017 No.4471467 >>4471443 pvms normally have shitty comb filters. You will get a better picture with a consumer set using composhit. buying a PVM with composite only is mouth-breathing retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:31:39 2017 No.4471484 >>4471467 >doesn't understand how the word 'if' works >makes sweeping generalizations about every PVM and every consumer TV set ever made >composhit Could you do us a favor and put on a trip?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 17:00:41 2017 No.4471620 Wouldnt it be really simple to add RGB/S-video to the composite only PVM?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:51:29 2017 No.4471871 >>4468230 The D24 and D32

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:52:08 2017 No.4471872
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Here's my 13 inch Zenith Space Command that I have set up on my desk next to my pc.
As you can see I have my NES in a cubby underneath the tv. Perfect for playing in my room or on my bed!
It's RF/mono only. Which IMO makes it perfect for the NES.
I'm honestly considering saving it for my first kid and giving it to him for his bedroom, NES and all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:53:44 2017 No.4471876 PVM/Ikegami/production monitor dudes: what are you using as speakers? I need to get stereo speakers that are preferably small. I wish I had the altec Lansing speakers that I had in high school right now...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:54:14 2017 No.4471881 >>4470008 I've seen pictures of BOTW gameplay on a 955. It looks like a pro IPS panel except its a CRT.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:58:09 2017 No.4471889

>>4471434
First off, I want to say that your comparison made my taste buds want to kill themselves. But second off I agree with this, I see no difference between a PVM with composite and a shitty shadow mask with composite: It will look like a bleeding mess either way. S-Video is a different story, however.

Anonymous Tue Dec 19 20:29:56 2017 No.4471929
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I joined the PVMeme. It's a sony PVM-20L2MD.

The picture is great. Small issue with the geometry, The left side is perfect on top and bottom, the right is like the top and bottom are slightly squashed in toward the center. Honestly it doesn't bother me as it is, but I'm gonna try to adjust it. Any ideas?

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Anonymous Tue Dec 19 22:29:09 2017 No.4472086
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I tried getting Mega Man 9 and 10 on Dolphin to display as close to an actual NES Mega Man game by rendering to a proportionally downscalled window that fits on a 320x240 resolution (by setting the windowed output resolution to "fit to window", plus AutoHotkey magic to make the window borderless, centered, and resizeable without the usual Windows limitations)

It worked, looks great, but since I had to upscale the internal resolution 4x to remove the ugly softening filter of the game originally outputting at 480i, my modest "retro" setup couldn't handle it (AMD Radeon R3 on crt-emudriver) and performance dropped a lot.

Welp, at least it was possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 23:41:13 2017 No.4472180 KV-32FS100 a decent starter CRT? They seem to be everywhere around me and range from free to 20 bucks depending on condition of the exterior.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 01:56:39 2017 No.4472408 >>4471160 Turn down your sharpness. You're getting some ringing around the black outlines of the characters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:31:12 2017 No.4472440 I still have our RCA television from 1992 with faux wood panels in my closet. Should I just take it to the recycling center?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:48:00 2017 No.4472459 >>4472440 Fuck no. I would kill for a woodgrain TV.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 02:55:47 2017 No.4472471 >>4472459 I really don't want it. If it's something that is considered valuable then I'll see about giving it away to someone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:51:44 2017 No.4472531 File: 607 KB, 1024x1024, 3C3CB047-9AAE-4495-B807-2883268F0320.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >$500 for this

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 03:55:06 2017 No.4472536 >>4472531 those scanlines hurt my eyes. shoulda went consumer grade brah.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:25:21 2017 No.4472568 >>4472531 cheap shadow mask > professional aperture grille

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:28:30 2017 No.4472575 File: 135 KB, 625x580, you poor fool.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4472531 What model even is that? Also NES games don't even look good enough to justify a display like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:34:14 2017 No.4472579 >>4472531 This what happens when you line-quadruple and use fake scan lines on a PC-CRT, folks

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:39:06 2017 No.4472584
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Had a 32 inch toshiba, had to move it off the stand for something smaller because the 4k TV I got took up more space then I accounted for. Using my old insignia now, 22 inches I think, early (or mid 2000s). It looks fine , I just miss it being a bowl or whatever instead of flat.
Wondering if there is even a point to switching it out for a trinitron I find somewhere that is probably not going to be anything special and be more beat up because it will be goodwill and not something I've owned.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 04:42:08 2017 No.4472587 File: 1.36 MB, 2576x1932, 20171216_185653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4472584 Hopefully this doesn't flip

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Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:31:57 2017 No.4472641
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>>4472575
>>4472579
they’re fake scanlines from an nt mini on a 1080p tv. was disappointed by the incredibly basic options, though the picture quality is superb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 05:40:01 2017 No.4472650 >>4472641 you can also hook up a pc full of emulators and fake scanlines to that 1080p tv.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 06:22:18 2017 No.4472678 >>4471426 This. They don't age well, and their sharpness makes composite look like shit imo. Worse the bigger they are, as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:02:26 2017 No.4472945 >>4472678 >They don't age well Rubbish >and their sharpness makes composite look like shit imo. Worse the bigger they are, as well. I have a 560tvl PVM-2950QM which would like to have a word. It's stellar with composite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:30:05 2017 No.4472980 >>4471484 are you getting mad about owning a meme?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:31:47 2017 No.4472983 >>4472568 A man with taste

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:55:08 2017 No.4473023 File: 90 KB, 797x731, s-l1600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Would this be a good buy judging from the picture? I'm having sound issues with my current CRT and know nothing about TVs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 11:56:58 2017 No.4473029 >>4473023 Did they ever make a bad trinitron? That's not rhetorical I'm really asking

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 12:10:14 2017 No.4473050 >>4473029 A few of the wegas could be considered bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 12:10:57 2017 No.4473052 >>4473029 yeah lots of them have issues. i picked one up off the side of the road that didn't even work don't fall for the sony meme

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 13:35:25 2017 No.4473235

>>4473029
sony tubes tend to just have poor geometry and they clearly cheaped out in the quality of the small components. some of their holy grails like the gdm-fw900 come to mind. That said if you know what you're doing these things can be fixed most of the time.

I think from my experience JVC and Panasonics had far better build quality in the TV space, and NEC and Viewsonics in the PC space.

Anonymous Wed Dec 20 16:43:59 2017 No.4473614

>>4473029
KV-M1450 (BE-4 chassis, 1995) is the worst I own, just because they used Motorola chips instead of the better TDA/TEA series chips made by Philips, ST, Siemens and many others. The RGB input is sometimes noisy like a bad RF connection and the test lines (usually hidden in the upper overscan area) to measure the autocutoff current are idiotically bright causing a white stain to appear on the top.
Another thing that could be problematic for others is that the H.Size is hardwired, it can't be simply changed in the service menu or by adjusting a trimmer on the inside.
Despite these issues it's still better than any LCD for /vr/ purposes and that's why I will keep that one around as test monitor.

>>4473235
>sony tubes tend to just have poor geometry and they clearly cheaped out in the quality of the small components.
Do you mean the flat "FD Trinitron" or is this just bait?

The only thing I find annoying about all their consumer TV tubes they made in the 90s is how fucking strong is yoke is mounted, I don't get it why they added the screw clamp there when the yoke alone holds itself fine. I tried really hard to pull the yoke off but chickened out because working tube is always better than a busted one and the very subtle rotation is not worth this risk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 18:04:37 2017 No.4473740 >>4473023 I think that's a kv-1380r so composite only, but stereo sound and actually a great image.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:01:16 2017 No.4474013 >>4473740 Okay, thanks. Sounds like just what I'm looking for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 02:22:54 2017 No.4474480 >>4473052 >Lots of them have issues Like...? >A TV someone threw in the street didn't work No kidding? Not even a Sony fanboy, just seriously questioning the thought process here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 07:09:27 2017 No.4474691 >>4474480 I seriously question your ability to spot blatant sarcasm.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 11:17:20 2017 No.4475019 File: 271 KB, 1125x1476, IMG_0345.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is now a CRT cringe thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 13:26:05 2017 No.4475189 Composite crt or my usual monitor? I fear that composite would look even worse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 15:01:47 2017 No.4475310 >>4475189 What do you mean by "usual monitor"? If it's an lcd/led, then a composite crt would look much better when running 240p and 480i

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 15:58:17 2017 No.4475373 Is there a guide out there or some best practices for making your own cables? Mostly interested bc my CRT has mono sound and I don't wanna have a splitter around all the time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 16:02:29 2017 No.4475375 >>4475019 Never used one of those TVs before, so I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 16:50:20 2017 No.4475454 I'm trying to figure out what the best hdcrt was, could somebody tell me the difference between the xbr960 and 970

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:10:10 2017 No.4475695 >>4458768 monster brand component cables for wii are pretty cheap on ebay fyi. I think they are like $10-12 shipped. They are the white ones.

Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:17:10 2017 No.4475709

>>4470625

I just got a pvm, even an av (composite) modded atari 2600 looks great on it. Composite looks fine for NES, as another anon said, much better and clearer than on a consumer set. I'd say it's worth it. If nothing else you can always resale a pvm if you decide on a different one in the future.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:18:14 2017 No.4475712 >>4470627 I will be your enabler anon. Go for it! At that price you'd lose money if you don't buy it!

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:39:08 2017 No.4475756 >>4470627 don't do it. you need some variety, sonyfagging is a meme

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:40:11 2017 No.4475759 >>4471054 >t. redditor

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 19:42:18 2017 No.4475761 >>4475019 Why do retards ship CRTs when they are fragile and not being made any more?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:17:22 2017 No.4475802 >>4475761 I shipped 2 CRTs and they arrived fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:29:19 2017 No.4475816 File: 383 KB, 1536x2048, 1513769007061.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw gaping hole where a CRT should be

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:53:01 2017 No.4475845 >>4475759 Who doesn't like the Sonys? Even if you like shadow mask better you have to admit they look great.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 20:54:45 2017 No.4475847 >>4475761 Because redditfags think their CRTs are just as durable as the LED screens on their Samshit smartphones

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 21:12:49 2017 No.4475870 >>4475816 Are you planning on getting one? I can’t imagine any reason why anyone would put their TV that high beyond regularly hosting house parties.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:34:15 2017 No.4475964 >>4475870 I lowered the TV down 4 inches since that pic and yes i plan on getting a CRT as soon as i can find one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:37:06 2017 No.4475969 >>4475816 All those exposed wires is kicking my ocd into over drive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 22:41:39 2017 No.4475972 >>4475969 I bought cable ties and conduit to cover them

Anonymous Fri Dec 22 01:59:48 2017 No.4476171

>>4475695
It's me again.
I came back to embarrass myself once more, the PVM is working beautifully and I managed to get the colours right, also got a component cable as advised.

Now on to my next issue. I got a grid to set up my geometry since it's tilted but apparently I can only change it by taking it apart according to the manual and messing with some switches inside.
Did any of you guys had to work with my model? Also what should I be careful of?
Obviously I'll be extra careful since it needs to be plugged in and turned on during the operation.
Thanks in advance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 06:22:34 2017 No.4476416 File: 63 KB, 800x600, FILE0073_zpsa0033e41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Someone on facebook is giving away a TV like pic related. Its 21 inch and has composite and S-video. Anyone know about the brand Tevion?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 06:23:41 2017 No.4476417 File: 71 KB, 800x600, FILE0075_zps4ec4f795.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4476416

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 12:13:54 2017 No.4476825 My TV has a bad AV connection. Is there any way to fix that? No matter what cables I use, the sound goes in and out during gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 12:18:35 2017 No.4476831 File: 2.61 MB, 1769x1747, 20171222_101744.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Picked up a free Sony Trinitron KV-27FV300 yesterday. Very happy with the picture quality!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 12:20:16 2017 No.4476839 >>4476825 just get a new TV while u still can eventually they will all be gone

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 14:47:38 2017 No.4477042 File: 43 KB, 437x900, 00808_2Cnq5aGVKa7_1200x900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is this standard RGB or is this specifically for old PCs? thinking of buying

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 14:50:41 2017 No.4477043 >>4477042 digital RGB like CGA

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 15:34:21 2017 No.4477109 >>4477042 Some monitors accepted analog RGB over the EIAJ connector. If there is a switch for different RGB modes it might be worth trying

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 15:35:23 2017 No.4477110 >>4476831 O

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:06:29 2017 No.4477464 >>4477042 Minneapolis area, right? I remember that thing being overpriced

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 19:58:39 2017 No.4477572 >>4476825 I would try re-flowing the solder on the PCB. Will need to take the back cover off the TV.

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 02:12:46 2017 No.4478091

Hey, guys, I'm gonna try again with a problem I've been having. My big bet 30" crt is flawless except for a single faint vertical line just to the left of center. It's not a physical deformation, more like a distortion of the color along one line. On dark colors is unnoticeable, but on light colors you can see it clearly. It happens with all inputs. When I slap the tv it goes away and then slowly comes back. Does it have something to do with the aperture grille, maybe? Maybe a weak solder joint somewhere, but then why would it be only a small particular section of the image? Is it ground interference?

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 13:50:06 2017 No.4478746

>>4478091
Sounds like a convergence issue. You'll need to open the set up to adjust it. Sometimes you can fix it with magnetic strips on the back of the tube and tedious trial and error. I wouldn't attempt anything with magnets unless you have a way to degauss

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 14:53:04 2017 No.4478834

>>4446191
How do you fix fuzzy scrolling backgrounds in PS2 games? Such as Atelier or Phantasy Star generations, etc. Anytime I walk, the backgrounds seem to fuzz up until I stop.

Shit's killing me. I'm playing on a PS3 20 gig fat that's got CFW.

I thought this kind of shit wasn't reproducible on CRTs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 14:55:43 2017 No.4478835 >>4478834 the ps3 may be doing some flicker filter.

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 15:01:06 2017 No.4478839

>>4478835
not even joking anon, yesterday before I had encountered this issue I took my old PS2 which I felt was obsolete thanks to the BC PS3, threw it down the garbage chute and kek'd as I heard it falling down, smashing the sides on its way. I could have tested your theory if I didn't do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 15:26:08 2017 No.4478902 >>4478839 Why not use the ps2 using OPL via network? You can play all the isos on your pc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 17:38:55 2017 No.4479069 File: 41 KB, 430x300, b576fc09f796f9b54a435904057c15e471bbe089d409f91039a61df371680d71.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4477464 yes and yes, looks neat but I'm gonna pass

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 18:43:28 2017 No.4479167 File: 38 KB, 720x960, 25488588_10212804385958167_1421119869_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does the dark bezel mean that it's superfine pitch for sure? The seller didn't give a model # but I'm pretty sure this is an xbr9XX

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 23:40:25 2017 No.4479572 >>4478746 If I find a service menu could that help, or do I have to mess with the innards, like the purity rings and such

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 03:48:43 2017 No.4479834 Is it true CRT TVs/monitors can ruin your eyes?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 04:23:20 2017 No.4479859 >>4479834 staring at anything for a period of time can strain your eyes.

Anonymous Sun Dec 24 04:49:19 2017 No.4479880
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I think my PVM is dying. I did a factory reset on it to fix some geometry problems & now no matter what I can't get the colors to pop as much as they did before. I also get this small white spot on black backgounds when anything that isn't black scrolls vertically.

How many people in the U.S. still calibrate & service CRTs?

>>	Swift S. Lawliet !!VIQsbxF6xwO Sun Dec 24 08:19:02 2017 No.4480040 >>4479834 Nope. I've been a CRT for years and my eyesight is still 20/20. >>4479859 Except for this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 12:17:20 2017 No.4480310 Anyone know anything on CRT projectors? They weren't available where I live, but now I see someone selling an 801s for $100. I know nothing about them, how do they look?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 13:36:48 2017 No.4480403 >>4480310 Projectors are always worse than an actual screen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 14:12:31 2017 No.4480485 >>4480403 Sure, but how do they look otherwise?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 14:34:16 2017 No.4480518 >>4480485 Good but very dim, and very easy to burn.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 15:42:41 2017 No.4480616 NEW BREAD >>4480614 >>4480614 >>4480614

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 00:50:46 2017 No.4481340 >>4477572 Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

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