Does pinball suck?

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Does pinball suck? Anonymous Mon Dec 4 23:13:09 2017 No.4441452 [Reply] [Original]

Also is it even a video game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 4 23:25:49 2017 No.4441469 No it doesn’t suck. Not vidya.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 4 23:28:48 2017 No.4441474 >>4441469 Then what is it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 4 23:59:50 2017 No.4441529 File: 185 KB, 648x409, win9x-3d-pinball-space-cadet-screen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4441469 unless it's this pinball

Anonymous Tue Dec 5 02:53:24 2017 No.4441753

>>4441529
There's more electronic Pinball games than that. A lot more, actually.

>Genesis
Crue Ball
Dino Land
Dragon's Fury
Dragon's Revenge
Psycho Pinball
Sonic Spinball
Virtual Pinball
>SNES
Battle Pinball
Pinball Dreams
Pinball Fantasies
Super Pinball 1&2
>Saturn
Fantastic Pinball
Hyper3D Pinball
Last Gladiators Pinball
Necronomicon Pinball
Pinball Graffiti
Pro Pinball
True Pinball
>PSX
Austin Powers Pinball
Extreme Pinball
Kiss Pinball
Patriotic Pinball
Timeshock
Big Race USA
Fantastic Journey
Power Rangers Zeo Full-Tilt Battle Pinball
Dragon Beat: Legend of Pinball
Super Lite 1500: Golden Logres
Simple 1500: Pinball 3D
>3DO
Real Pinball
>Jaguar
Ruiner Pinball
>Virtual-Boy
Galactic Pinball
>PC
3D Pinball Express
3D Ultra NASCAR Pinball
3D Ultra Pinball Thrillride
Absolute Pinball
Addiction Pinball
Balls of Steel
Devil's Island Pinball
Epic Pinball
Extreme Pinball
Pinball Master
Pinball Warriors
Platinum Pinball
Pure Pinball
Slam Tilt Pinball
The Tomb Pinball
Total Pinball
Ultimate Pinball/GT/Gold

And many more titles in general that I'm too lazy to name. These are just the ones I know of off the top of my head, but that's just cuz I love Pinball in all it's various forms.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 03:22:09 2017 No.4441784 >>4441452 >Does pinball suck? No. >Also is it even a video game? No, but it's an arcade game. Kinda like how skeeball isn't a video game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 03:58:49 2017 No.4441824 >>4441452 Pinball doesn't suck, plenty suck at pinball though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 05:06:30 2017 No.4441878 >>4441452 No No

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 05:49:35 2017 No.4441908 >>4441452 pinball is the best thing ever

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 05:50:37 2017 No.4441909 >>4441469 >Not vidya it IS video games the sticky even says so

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 13:06:13 2017 No.4442446 >>4441474 Electromechanical carnie games like skeeball and that early sega game from the 60s with the helicopter. It's just pinball is super refined like an artform.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 5 13:10:29 2017 No.4442453 >>4441474 Just a game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 15:00:31 2017 No.4444891 Favorite table?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 15:28:02 2017 No.4444934 >>4444891 Taxi

Anonymous Wed Dec 6 15:28:42 2017 No.4444936

>>4441452
In relation to pinball, I'd argue that there is a technical distinction between video games and computer games. All computer games, as in, games that run on computers and are generated from code, are video games, and 99% of video games are computer games. Pinball, however is the rare example of a video game that is not a computer game, so it is different from all the other vidya on this board and on /v/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 15:29:47 2017 No.4444941 does the pinball machine have video? then it's a video game

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 15:32:33 2017 No.4444949 >>4444941 That's actually a good point. If we can consider those lame Tiger LCD games vidya, then pinball and its display screens counts too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 15:38:07 2017 No.4444969 I want to own a table one day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 6 22:38:48 2017 No.4445748 >>4441452 Does anyone know how to get Balls of Steel or Devil's Island working on modern PCs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 03:15:02 2017 No.4446167 >>4441529 shittiest meme game for idiots, it's actually the worst pinball vidya ever made

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 04:00:38 2017 No.4446217 >>4444936 Pinball runs code

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 04:18:56 2017 No.4446237 >>4444969 Woah! Slow down there lad. Start off by trying a couple stools and a leaf before you jump into a full blown table.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 04:27:10 2017 No.4446243 File: 10 KB, 640x480, moraff-s-pinball_2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4441452 Anyone into Moraff's Pinball on old computers? Had this on my 286.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:48:01 2017 No.4446365 I don't understand pinball. Hit the ball with the paddle, that's it. Surely I'm missing something

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:51:27 2017 No.4446367 >>4446365 A chromosome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 07:54:57 2017 No.4446369 >>4446367 Make me appreciate pinball faggot

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 08:11:14 2017 No.4446379
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>>4446365
Well, you could play something like this, and you'd enjoy it because it's good, but you still might not get it. The aim with pinball, ultimately, is to amass points, but the fun is in figuring out and mastering how to do that on each particular machine. There is also competing with others and oneself for high scores.

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 08:12:54 2017 No.4446383

>>4446369
god no, i wouldn't try making a baby understand algebra so why would i try making a low i.q brain dead dirty mum shite understand pinball?

>>4446365
>Surely I'm missing something
Yeah like the entire scoring system, all the methods of control, all the shot trajectories, nudging and so on, thick cunt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 08:32:01 2017 No.4446404 >>4445748 GOG version

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 08:59:29 2017 No.4446441 >>4444936 This only applies to electro-mechanical pinball machines. All pins from the early 80s onward used computers in some form.

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 09:40:42 2017 No.4446493

>>4441452
I've always enjoyed pinballs to some extent, though a recent experience put me off a lot from digital ones.

There was this friend of mine who isn't good at video games (neither at pinball) that came to my house and was playing Devil Crash - Naxat Pinball for the PCE.
After a few rounds the ball got stuck in some place at the top and it began to score infinitely. He broke the game unknowingly: we let that game ON for a while and that thing was still there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 09:59:06 2017 No.4446512 File: 13 KB, 232x217, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4446379 That and pinbot were 2 of the very first video games I ever played

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 10:44:10 2017 No.4446573 >>4446365 >not sure if 0/troll or just really, really fucking stupid

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 10:47:22 2017 No.4446580 File: 36 KB, 330x269, pokemonpinball.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4441452 Pokemon pinball was fun

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 10:48:45 2017 No.4446584 >>4446580 Grr I still need to buy this

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 10:52:57 2017 No.4446592 >>4446584 its fun once you figure out the wonky physics. imo blue field was easier than red field but red field gives you way more points

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 10:55:03 2017 No.4446594 >>4446592 Not retro but I prefer the GBA one with the smooth scrolling

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 11:43:13 2017 No.4446680 >>4446167 how does one measure the quality of pinball?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 11:46:07 2017 No.4446682 >>4441753 Gonna help you with a few >PC Engine Time Cruise Alien Crush Dragon Crush >SNES Jaki Crush

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 12:00:13 2017 No.4446716 >>4441469 This board is not Retro Video Games, but Retro Games. Pinball is allowed here, read the sticky.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 12:53:12 2017 No.4446801 >>4446493 A lot of video pinball games have failsafes against this kind of thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 15:56:33 2017 No.4447138 >>4441753 You forgot Pataank on 3DO, the worlds first 1st person pinball game! Seriously I paid £3 for it and that was £3 too much.

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 16:54:38 2017 No.4447234

>>4444936
>>4446441
But the game itself is physical. Sure there are sensors that detect when the ball has gone down a certain hole and relay this to a computer but I don't consider it a computer game.

How about "computer-assisted game"? Like those pocket chess things that (presumably) just told you where to put the pieces.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 7 20:13:40 2017 No.4447535 >>4446680 Once you get good at pinball you start enjoying some layouts more then others. Some layouts require too much risk or not enough, not enough incentive to try different shots, stuff like that.

Anonymous Thu Dec 7 20:44:02 2017 No.4447603

>>4446680
>>4447535
I'm not a pinball expert, but I think a pinball expert might say that if you have three pop bumbers (the circular bumpers) out in the open like that, they can send the ball in any direction and therefore introduce too much luck into the machine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 01:33:58 2017 No.4448056 >>4447138 >Pataank Oh, I thought Paranoiascape did it first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUaDPpCwwOM

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 06:24:50 2017 No.4448323 >>4446217 Not EM

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 06:39:49 2017 No.4448327 >>4448323 Rules

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 8 06:48:26 2017 No.4448334 File: 12 KB, 505x188, parts-of-a-lever.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4448327 WE WUZ CODERS

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 07:05:34 2017 No.4450158 >>4446493 that's hilarious

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 07:10:08 2017 No.4450162 >>4450158 What's even more hilarious is that we were taking turns in a score attack. I was beating him by a pretty wide margin and then that shit happened lol And he kept bragging afterwards (that's his personality)

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 07:14:25 2017 No.4450169

>live in Ireland
>Will never EVER play 99% of cool pinball tables

IM saving up for a Judge Dredd table to own. Dunno how the fuck I'll actually get one though.

In the meantime I play videogame pinball. Both Stern Pinball Arcade and Pinball FX 3 are out on Switch next week!

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 09:07:44 2017 No.4450281

>>4446682
>>4447138
Sorry, those are just the ones I own. I really like video pinball. I prefer actual pinball tables, but those will do for the time where I don't have copious amounts of space and cash to stuff into real tables.
Otherwise, gonna get me an Earth Shaker table and a Black Hole table.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 11:16:00 2017 No.4450409 >>4450169 >In the meantime I play videogame pinball. >plays the worst most unrealistic incarnations. Get into pro pinball and vpx/pm5, realistic enough to learn all real flipper skills that translate to real machines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 11:22:41 2017 No.4450423 File: 19 KB, 251x251, 1509565737766.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DEVIIIIL CRUUUUUSH!!!!

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 13:33:51 2017 No.4450587

>>4441529
>>4446167

this was probably the only win95/98/ME/Vista/ bloat-ware accessory game I actually enjoyed
Specially liked the eerie anime-sounding music and sci-fi sound-effects.

The only thing that ruined it is that tacky grinning cartoon spaceman. He just looks so cheap. And it looks like he even knows it from his apologetic half-assed grin.

Why couldn't they just put a scary sci-fi robot or a creepy alien monster instead? or better yet a qt sexy space-girl?

I wish I could hack it so I could fix that

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 19:38:44 2017 No.4451373 File: 23 KB, 480x360, 1487082747730.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4450587 >I wish I could hack it so I could fix that

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:49:29 2017 No.4451490 >>4441469 It is a video game, your points are calulated on a computerized screen judging by where you hit the ball. Its a mix of hardware and software. I suppose you think the Wii isnt video game either? Your an Moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 20:49:48 2017 No.4451494 >>4450409 That shit takes like 6 hours to set up

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 9 21:08:26 2017 No.4451526 >>4451490 Just because the points are summed by a CPU depending what sensors are triggered? I suppose the CPU was also keeping track of the game's state but I think the game's physics are provided by real objects keeps it from being a true videogame.

Anonymous Sat Dec 9 23:11:39 2017 No.4451752

>>4451526
The computer also contains all of the game's rules and controls everything from the lights to the bumpers to the targets. Seriously, you really underestimate the role of the electronic components of solid state pinball machines.

That said, no, it's not a fucking video game. Though some more recent pins from the 90s onward do have video components and video modes playable on the display.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 02:52:46 2017 No.4452019 >>4451494 pro pinball games are out the box and easy to get for free and they have timeshock ultra on steam which is ridiculously real. As for the other yes maybe if you're new to it but once it's setup it's done, it really isn't that hard at all.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:30:41 2017 No.4452112

I've never played it, but Total Nuclear Annihilation looks amazing. It feels like design philosophy behind the visuals and the lighting of the machine is completely different from other modern pins, not to mention the design. I love how the lights pulse when you hit the single pop bumper, and the pattern the lights make when you're starting the reactor. I don't see why this of all pins would need an LCD screen though. Maybe there are more animations coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwvDHyBwELs

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:35:27 2017 No.4452114

>>4441474
it's a video game without most of the video part. the game, audio, rules and general function of the machine is still controlled by a CPU with RAM, some ROM (containing the game software, sounds and dot matrix display artwork), a sound chip (back in the day it was mostly always a YM FM-synth chip with simple PCM sample playback, exactly how most arcade machines were setup for audio).

> does it suck?
are you a millennial by any chance? no. it doesn't suck. it's awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:39:34 2017 No.4452119 >>4451494 takes 5 minutes if you're not a dribbling spastic. it's easy.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:44:07 2017 No.4452126
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>>4452112
God damn it's nice to hear sound design like that in a modern game. I tried out Guardians of the Galaxy for the first time today, and while it seemed like a solid enough game, the sound package was horrible. Quiet, unmemorable sound effects, awful multi-line conversations that go on for way too long and have nothing to do with what's actually happening, and generic orchestral film-score drivel during the modes.

I was at two locations tonight and played an excellent Williams' Sorcerer at the first one, and the difference between it and GotG was night and day.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 04:52:51 2017 No.4452130

>>4452126
On a similar note, one thing I notice in the LCD games that aren't TNA is that the graphic design is questionable. The visuals look like something put together for a high school project in powerpoint.
It doesn't really matter to me, but it makes me wish pinball was more popular so that manufacturers could afford to put a little bit more money into the LCD animations. Maybe they're still figuring that stuff out, I don't know. JJP PotC LCD animations look modestly good, but the rest not as much. Is it just me?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:07:55 2017 No.4452150 >>4441909 No it's allowed to be -discussed- here, because /tg/ is more about group play and /toy/ is more about collecting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:12:32 2017 No.4452153 >>4446167 3D Pinball Space Cadet is a classic. You're just being a contrarian.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 05:20:58 2017 No.4452159

>>4452130
The potential for the new screen displays is enormous, but no one has utilized it yet. Just imagine all the different animations/fonts/visual effects you could use to display and announce different features. About GoG again, I don't know if it's code that will be updated later, but there are times when a message is displayed and it's literally just plain white text on a black background. When the DMD is much more appealing then your new technology, there's a problem.

That being said, while it's still not anything mind-blowing, Star Wars is the best use of the screen yet. The idea of the display being your cockpit with information displayed on the fold-out targeting computers is great, and the movie clips and scenes are integrated very well, particular the "hyperspeed" scenes. It also might be the best Stern, imo. Either that or AC/DC, Metallica or Star Trek.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:29:46 2017 No.4453716

One thing that sucks about pinball is that machines that are on location are often not in great condition. A machine a played today seemed to be tilted so much to the right that I could only barely cradle on the left flipper. Also there was a software bug of some sort that cost me a dollar.

Anonymous Sun Dec 10 22:52:15 2017 No.4453763

Also a new modern pinball machine costs 6000 dollars at least. And the only pinball machines that cost less than a 1000 are old Electro-mechanical games with spinning reels. You can buy a lot of different video game experiences, or one giant pinball machine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 00:07:43 2017 No.4453906 Pinball is fun but I am fucking terrible at it for some reason. Like, embarrassingly so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 01:44:54 2017 No.4454029 >>4441452 >video game >no video present It's not that hard...and I've played some that were fun...I liked that one Terminator 2 one. Also there are pinball video games that are okay.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 02:56:29 2017 No.4454101
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My dad used to be a diehard pinball player, and went to a few tournaments when I was young. He won a championship in Arizona back in like 1998, and when I was about 11 he came in 2nd place in another tournament, using pic-related as the machine. Although he didn't win gold, he bought the machine afterwards and we had it in our garage for about 4 years before we eventually grew bored of it. But man, it was really cool being able to play pinball anytime I felt like it during those years. I think my dad's highest score was almost 2 billion on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 03:39:09 2017 No.4454132 >>4441452 pinball is trash.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 04:19:38 2017 No.4454158

>>4453906
>I am fucking terrible at it for some reason.
you don't think about your play. You can learn good flipper skills and a feel for trajectory on pro pinball or vpx/pm5, try to create visual cues on flippers for where is the spot to hit shots successfully, find which shots you can do consistently and look at what you can do with that, practice the shots you are weak with, literally just think about what you're doing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 05:21:38 2017 No.4454210 >>4441452 Yes, it does suck and no, it's not vidya.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 07:56:44 2017 No.4454326 >>4454101 Isn't it common for people to swap tables? Eventually collectors have enough of a table and just trade with other collectors

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 11:11:19 2017 No.4454502 File: 131 KB, 717x960, pacman3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4441452 >Also is it even a video game? blocks your path

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 12:09:59 2017 No.4454560 File: 139 KB, 640x640, KPL_Boxart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy shit I just remembered how much fun I had with Kirby Pinball Land on Game Boy - it was such a great game. I also loved Epic Pinball on the PC from the 90's.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 12:26:22 2017 No.4454587 File: 1.97 MB, 1158x920, pinball_o.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you're playing and suddenly the flippers become invisible

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 13:51:14 2017 No.4454684 File: 1.24 MB, 1250x978, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4448334 Yes, computers and programming dont have to involve electricity or even binary.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 17:31:12 2017 No.4455074

>>4454326
Yeah it is

>Went through 3 pins in about a year

It just became to much of a hassle for me trying to fix them up though. That, all the organizing that went into swapping and selling them, buying parts, and college + work started picking up. So I ended up just selling them all and picking up a 82' Chexx for my dad and I.

Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:44:05 2017 No.4455272

>>4454560

It was damn good. Pokemon pinball on gbc was fun too if you liked this one.

To me at first Kirby pinball seemed really simple and like there wasn't much variety, but the more you played it, the better it got. It ended up being one of my favorites for the system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 19:45:25 2017 No.4455274 It's not "vidya" but it is retro gaming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 11 21:43:59 2017 No.4455463 I bet a bunch of people on this thread would be interested to hear that there was a Street Fighter II pinball machine with a Car Crunch lower playfield. Here's what it looks like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfxiSsPsyM

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 05:31:23 2017 No.4455974 >>4451490 >lasergame is a video game >crane games are video games nice try dumdum

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 09:16:04 2017 No.4456203 Pinball FX3 just released 2 new tables for FREE to celebrate their 10th anniversary! Also it's out on Switch today too

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 11:35:59 2017 No.4456379 >>4454587 what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 12:10:05 2017 No.4456440 >>4456379 It happens once you reach a certain amount of points iirc. The flippers come back when you reach another certain amount of points.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 12:25:11 2017 No.4456468 >>4441753 >SNES >no Jaki Crush

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 12:43:39 2017 No.4456486 >>4444936 >All computer games, as in, games that run on computers and are generated from code, are video games Not if they're played on a teletype.

Anonymous Tue Dec 12 12:48:31 2017 No.4456493

>>4441452
>Does pinball suck?
I don't think so, even if I'm personally not huge on it.
>Also is it even a video game?
I wouldn't say so, the game does not occur within video, unless we're talking about pinball simulation like Space Cadet or something. That or that one Mario pinball machine that would occasionally have you play a minigame on the display (that was my shit when I was little by the way)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 13:45:13 2017 No.4456574 >>4456493 Many pinball machines have video modes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 20:38:26 2017 No.4457323 >>4456203 Nevermind. Switch is 30fps in handheld mode. Fucking trash. >Vita >544p60fps >Switch >720p30fps Switch hardware is a complete joke.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 21:28:13 2017 No.4457427 >>4456203 Thanks for the heads up, I played the shit out of Sorcerer's Lair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 23:18:25 2017 No.4457691 >>4454326 Yeah it's common. But by the time we sold the table, my dad wasn't interested in pinball anymore, so the pinball days ended there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 12 23:30:36 2017 No.4457713 >>4457323 Sold 10 million so far, cry more faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 05:42:52 2017 No.4458106 >>4457713 10 million sales won't make the game not run at like 27fps in handheld mode. It was almost perfect and they fucked it up

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 05:47:44 2017 No.4458110 >>4446580 It has nice graphics and animation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 14:59:46 2017 No.4458830 >>4444891 fun house, get ya self a hot doowug.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:22:01 2017 No.4458883 >>4458830 Fun fact: Rudy is voiced by Ed Boon.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:25:53 2017 No.4459147

>>4441452
Pinball doesn't suck. It is a getaway for normies though. If a vr/rother goes to an arcade, a normie would tell him off "Yeah, you go play that blip blop thingy".

It also requires skill. There is a ceiling though. It is like Flappy Bird, once you learned it you could go for a while, but have to concentrate not to fall on a pipe.

There are many techniques: Live Catch, Dead Catch, Dead Bounce, Cradle Seperation etc. Also every machine comes with different rules, so pretty much every cabinet is unique.

If you want to get laid and play games, pinball is a viable compromise.

Also, no, it is not a videogame, but it is their ancestor.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:07:03 2017 No.4459398

>>4459147
If you look at Pinball, it's tough to say if we've hit the skill ceiling. Admittedly it's more like Magic the Gathering than Smash Bros, in that there are a lot of upsets presumably caused by the higher luck factor. But in both pinball and in MTG there are players who are ranked higher and perform better. It's not like the top ten are all equally good, Zach Sharpe is better than, for instance, Robert Gagno. If there was a skill ceiling, you'd expect them to be about equal. The strategic factor distorts things, I'd have to think about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:02:43 2017 No.4459487 >>4451490 Its a mechanical game not a video game. Also, it's you're.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:54:01 2017 No.4459685 Under a sufficiently loose definition of the term "video game", pinball is a video game. Under a sufficiently strict definition it is not.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:32:58 2017 No.4459760

>>4459398
I see. What I meant was that the known techniques are enough, and there doesn't seem to be many more to discover.

I also get the fact that because there are differently ranked players the ceiling is still higher, but the game itself survives simply on new machines with new rules, and the ever unattainable accuracy streak.

So you see, my point is that once you learn a machine, you have to find another to feel challenged again, or explore new strategies, since the previous machines have been mapped out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:24:28 2017 No.4459828 >>4454560 ANON GET OUT

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 08:18:11 2017 No.4460194 >>4457323 it's literally the most powerful portable ever no one cares about your faggot opinions

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:30:33 2017 No.4461823 >>4459685 it's a video game eat shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:14:10 2017 No.4461914 File: 35 KB, 443x576, tumblr_m83mcyfo4e1qcalsmo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4461823 I guess you'd say this would be a video game, too?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:10:25 2017 No.4462596 >>4460194 It's the most powerful handheld ever and yet can't run pinball at 60fps in handheld when the Vita can? Ok.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 00:40:27 2017 No.4463714 >>4441753 Also Microsoft Pinball Arcade on PC

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:22:25 2017 No.4464027 >>4461914 That's not even electronic.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:59:24 2017 No.4465801

>>4452112
A local arcade near me just ordered a TNA and it will arrive before the end of the year. The owner is super psyched about it, especially since Spooky is based out of our home state and they're going to hold a big opening event for it when it arrives.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:10:47 2017 No.4465818 >>4453763 You could always aim for Gottlieb tables. many of their 80s and even some 90s pins can be snagged for less than $1500.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:13:07 2017 No.4465823 >>4455463 My arcade has one, and most people don't even realize that the car crunch even is a thing. Then again most randos don't even realize that DMDs tell you useful information.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:27:00 2017 No.4465903 >>4465818 You don't even have to aim for Gottlieb. Most Williams System 11 games are still around $1500 aside from the big names like Whirlwind and Black Knight 2000.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:40:27 2017 No.4465923 >>4441529 >Step dad sees me play this on the computer >What'd you do to get that game on there anon? I'm going to uninstall that! My stepdad was a prick. Glad my mom finally ditched his fun-hating ass.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:03:21 2017 No.4467891 >>4441452 >Does pinball suck? No. >Also is it even a video game? Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 23:06:51 2017 No.4467896 >>4444941 The star trek TNG pinball machine has games on the LCD

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 08:37:58 2017 No.4468598 >>4467896 A lot of games did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 08:51:07 2017 No.4468627 >>4467896 It's not an LCD. They were originally gas plasma displays, though they make replacements with LEDs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 18 17:57:49 2017 No.4469550 >>4461823 Computer game, yes. Video game, no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 12:38:30 2017 No.4471216 >>4463714 >Microsoft pinball arcade Literally the best pinball game on PC ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 15:52:30 2017 No.4471507 >>4462596 So blame the shit dev instead of the hardware. I'm still bitter about getting screwed out of being able to buy South Park Pinball since they up and decided to discontinue fx2 without telling anyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 16:17:15 2017 No.4471531 I haven't had a PC capable of playing any modern games, what sort of specs should I be looking at to get a smooth experience from Visual Pinball? I can't seem to find any up to date system reqs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 19:49:22 2017 No.4471867 >>4471531 If you're staying with 9, you shouldn't need much, but if you're stepping up to 10 or PM5, you might want some more capable hardware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 19 23:46:07 2017 No.4472193 >>4471216 Shame the gameboy port is so terrible. PC version is hopelessly outclassed by VP now too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 12:31:21 2017 No.4473089 >>4472193 >Shame the gameboy port is so terrible Yeah, all I had access to back in the day was the GB port. By the time I got around to getting the PC version there was already Visual PinMAME, which outdid that as well lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 20:33:00 2017 No.4473958 How do I git gud at Pinball? One of my local arcades do an annual tournament that I've been considering throwing my hat into. I've got a decent grasp on most of the video games they have, but I can't last more than 5 minutes on a pinball machine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 20:41:48 2017 No.4473979 >>4459828 a classic

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:10:27 2017 No.4474026 >>4441452 Yes! And NO! Pinball is for faggots. Why do you ask? The answer was obvious.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 20 21:31:41 2017 No.4474075 >>4446379 Had to make sure someone posted this game

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:44:50 2017 No.4474559 >>4441452 It's a video game. One might even say the precursor video game so to speak. Sort of like comparing transistors as the precursor to microchips. Either way it's definitely a Retro Game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 21 03:46:21 2017 No.4474560 >>4446365 >Surely I'm missing something You are. There's actually an endgame mode/final boss mode of most pinball games aka "Wizard mode"

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 00:02:46 2017 No.4476058 >>4473958 Download a pinball video game and play that a lot. Learn the rules of the table you're playing on. Look up tutorials online.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 11:18:42 2017 No.4476705 >>4454560 Excellent game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 15:53:33 2017 No.4477137 Do you guys know about these? Seems like the art is good and the functionality is nearly zero. Does anyone have any ways to add more game functionality?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 22 15:55:39 2017 No.4477140 >>4477137 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP_zeM-I0Ys Forgot the link. There's also this Overwatch one with spinners and a funnel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKFX5kVPiM

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 03:27:06 2017 No.4478169 >>4477140 There's obviously not much to the gameplay, but these are still pretty fuckin' neato. Reminds me of those build-it-yourself kits I would get as a kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 05:04:04 2017 No.4478225 >>4477140 nice idea but the execution is lacking, seems like something you'd have fun with for 10 mins then collect dust.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 05:30:21 2017 No.4478248 Sonic is a pinball game from the pinball's perspective.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 06:02:30 2017 No.4478285 >>4441452 They're way more intricate than I ever understood as a kid when they were around, now that I've read about some I can't find any to play. if I ever get some sort of arcade cabinent, it will be pinball. is skeeball arcade?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 06:30:42 2017 No.4478323 >>4441452 >Does pinball suck? no. Your mom on the other hand...

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 13:50:49 2017 No.4478749

>>4478285
>now that I've read about some I can't find any to play. if I ever get some sort of arcade cabinent, it will be pinball

Download Visual Pinball 9/X and some table recreations. If you wanted to you could even build your own virtual pinball table. It'd only be worth buying a real table if you could put up with the constant maintenance to keep it in full working order.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 19:32:39 2017 No.4479228 I got a 211mil GC on Metallica today. Am I good yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 23 20:09:02 2017 No.4479303 >>4478749 pinball is an analog experience, or something. a real physics. does it emulate the weight and clack of a real ball?

Anonymous Sat Dec 23 23:31:02 2017 No.4479562

Pinball should have more intuitive rules. Or not, whatever. It would help if things were communicated thematically. Like instead of having a left ramp and a right ramp, have an electric ramp that you use to power up various things, and an armory ramp that you use to acquire munitions. And they would have an electric symbol/toy and a weapons symbol/toy on or above them, respectively. Or something. Does that make sense? I know some machines do this, but most actions aren't communicated thematically on the playfield.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 00:26:15 2017 No.4479627 >>4446580 PIIIIIIKAAAAAA (rumble intensifies)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 00:56:39 2017 No.4479661 >>4479562 Plenty of games do this. Dr. Dude is a pretty obvious example, where every shot represents a different "ingredient" that Dr. Dude uses for his Excellent Ray.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 05:40:53 2017 No.4479915 >>4479562 Most pinball games with an "end goal" do. Like in Street Fighter pinball, each ramp and set of targets represents one of the fighters you have to defeat.

Anonymous Sun Dec 24 08:46:17 2017 No.4480067
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>>4479562
Many Pinball games have that sort of thing going on. Even if the elements aren't always thematically spelled out, the basic mechanics aren't usually random and follow certain principles.

Let's have Timeshock! for example (yeah, originally a PC simulation, but now being made into a real table), where each element on the table have their own functions.
For the main gameplay towards the main goal multiball and "completing" the game:
- Upper ramp lights continents. Certain continents (two per time zone) start exploration modes, which award tachyonium (time machine fuel = unlocks time zones).
- Left and right ramps charge up the timedrive.
- Middle orbit (spinner) lights lock. Lock 3 balls to start multiball, which awards and locks time crystal fragments.
- Start multiball with a charged up timedrive to travel to other time zones.
- Lock crystal fragments in all 4 time zones to access the main goal multiball.

Full rulesheet here: http://www.jeeens.de/t/t.html

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 00:46:53 2017 No.4481336

>>4479562
Most pins since the 90s have been very straightforward with their rules and guiding players towards missions or however progression works on the tables. I've noticed when watching casual players that they always play pinball as if the table was made in the 60s rather than actually looking at the table and seeing what's going on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 09:29:28 2017 No.4481665 >>4441452 Obviously you are a millennial faggot who never had an opportunity to experience arcades in all their glory. Merry Christmas!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 09:46:35 2017 No.4481686 >>4481665 >ending a post with an ironic "good day" style closer hope you don't live in New Jersey, fucker.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 09:50:19 2017 No.4481695

>>4481336

To be fair though, it's kinda fun to just let loose that way on a table at times. Super Game mode in Judge Dredd pinball table is best for this as you get an immediate 2 ball multiball at the start of every new ball and you can get a 6 ball multiball for extreme flippan action.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 22:18:20 2017 No.4482965 >Pro Pinball >PSX versions Yuck. Move that to the PC section you muppet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 12:58:39 2017 No.4484000 >>4482965 Were the PS1 versions of Pro Pinball bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 19:19:00 2017 No.4484593 >>4441753 Wasn't there that weird pinball game on the NES where you had bunch of modes, including Pachinko, 2 player versus and soccer?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 27 07:26:33 2017 No.4485334 >>4484000 compared to pc they were obviously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 04:53:28 2017 No.4487168 What's your favorite multiball? I love the Strobe Multiball in AFM. It has the most basic rules possible, but the strobe effect is the coolest thing when you're in a dimly-lit arcade.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 08:03:18 2017 No.4487289 File: 84 KB, 256x416, metroid-prime-pinball-ds-008.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4446580 Metroid Prime Pinball is also a good choice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 29 17:38:08 2017 No.4490098 Can the Pro Pinball games work on a modern computer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 29 18:07:24 2017 No.4490139 >>4478323 ouch

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 29 18:08:27 2017 No.4490140 >>4490098 yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 08:07:14 2017 No.4491179 >>4490140 Do I need to download any additional shit to get them working?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 08:30:17 2017 No.4491235 Are there any pinball games/applications that run on a raspberry pi? I've been thinking of making a small tabletop virtual pinball box, and would like to avoid a full on computer in the thing.

Anonymous Sat Dec 30 10:25:09 2017 No.4491350

>>4491179
Windows 7 64-bit here - at least I haven't needed to download anything extra for running Timeshock!, Big Race USA or Fantastic Journey. (The Web is whole different animal, though, needing extra tweaking 'n' shit, something which I haven't put in time to figure out yet)

A caveat though. For some reason, running those later 3 games using dedicated GPU makes the screen flicker like a strobe light. Disabling V-sync and various compatibility modes haven't had an effect on it.
They run flawlessly on integrated graphics, though.
YMMV, of course.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 10:36:35 2017 No.4491365 If you're ever in Tucson check out the d&d pinball arcade. It's a garage right off the main strip filled with pinball machines, owned by an autist who meticulously maintains them. Now if only we had a real arcade here. ..

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 20:16:24 2017 No.4492530 >>4454684 Whiffletrees are digital to analog converters idiot. They literally translate a manual binary input and do something with it such as in an electric typewriter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 21:32:57 2017 No.4494625 What was the best pinball game released this year?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 21:33:59 2017 No.4494629 >>4491350 Thanks for the info. I'll look into it I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 22:45:54 2017 No.4494772 >>4494625 Having not played it, I feel Dialed In is the popular choice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 1 13:20:47 2018 No.4495615 >>4494625 Total Nuclear Annihilation

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 1 15:52:26 2018 No.4495864 >>4490098 >Can the Pro Pinball games work on a modern computer? I run the originals on both a 32bit windows 7 and 64bit windows 7 pc, don't forget to check out timeshock ultra on steam aswell btw.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 1 19:30:08 2018 No.4496209 My local barcade replaced Elvira Scared Stiff with the Stern Walking Dead table. It's not fucking fair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 06:40:12 2018 No.4497187 >>4496209 How is The Walking Dead table?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 08:02:21 2018 No.4497259 >>4497187 Not him, but I find it more annoying than fun. It's a popular tournament game because of its difficulty. Doing pretty much anything in the game is dangerous and you'd be hard-pressed to find a game with shorter ball times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 08:04:22 2018 No.4497260 >>4497259 >Doing pretty much anything in the game is dangerous sounds like a poorly designed game desu.

Anonymous Tue Jan 2 08:50:04 2018 No.4497294

>>4441452
>Also is it even a video game?

Not really but there were pinball machines based from video games like Spy Hunter, Mr & Mrs.Pac-Man(not Baby Pac-Man), Defender, Super Mario Bros. and Street Fighter. Check the Space Invaders pinball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaNAzV2p_wU

Anonymous Tue Jan 2 18:42:22 2018 No.4498362

>>4497260
Yeah, I'm not a fan.
Starting modes requires hitting drop targets on the far left, putting the ball way out of control.
There's three multiballs, but they're all started through bashing stuff in the middle of the playfield or the previous drop targets.
Half the shots go into the pops, and the feed out of the pops dribbles the ball straight down the middle a staggering number of times.
If anything, the game does a good job of conveying that theme of helplessness during a zombie apocalypse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 3 07:51:56 2018 No.4499624 >>4497259 >you'd be hard-pressed to find a game with shorter ball times that sounds like some bullshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 3 08:59:11 2018 No.4499687 >>4465923 >>What'd you do to get that game on there anon? I'm going to uninstall that! Why the fuck would he do that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 3 09:02:39 2018 No.4499692 >>4446512 >That pic Is there any rule34 of her?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 3 09:06:48 2018 No.4499697 >>4441753 >All those ProPinball vidya. Fucking patrician taste. Pro Pinball are the best tables I've ever seen in vidya.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 3 17:41:47 2018 No.4500487 >>4499624 Modern games. EMs don't count.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 04:38:56 2018 No.4501334 >>4499692 I doubt it. The faggots that make rule 34 don't seem to care about arcade games, so pinball they probably care about even less.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 5 04:07:06 2018 No.4503618 >>4454101 Cool story. Thanks for sharing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 5 23:06:58 2018 No.4505604 >>4499697 They are pretty solid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 07:55:10 2018 No.4506420 >>4454560 Favorite portable pinball game ever and maybe my favorite Gameboy game period.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 11:53:15 2018 No.4506664 >>4441452 The only pinball games that matter are Space Cadet Pinball and Crüe Ball.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 13:01:46 2018 No.4506760 Creep Night Pinball. Ultra Pinball and the Lost continent.

Anonymous Sat Jan 6 16:47:21 2018 No.4507163
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So what exactly killed Pinball? I've heard that either home consoles and arcades dying out did it or the fact that Pinball games in the latter half of the 90's got too cluttered with toys/gimmicks, making them too complicated for the causal passerby

Anonymous Sat Jan 6 17:42:38 2018 No.4507294

>>4507163
>So what exactly killed Pinball?
Arcades in general dying out due to home consoles catching up with arcade games tech-wise (i.e. ports didn't need to be heavily downgraded anymore).
Pinball machines being unable to keep up with the attraction of advancing video game tech. Pinball machines needing frequent maintenance and repairs >> revenue from pinball machines lower than from video game machines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 18:03:56 2018 No.4507326 >>4507163 The rise of modern casual gaming

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 22:35:01 2018 No.4507923 What are the pinball experts opinions on the size of the drains? Do they hate drains that have such a huge gap that the ball can easily fall towards it or is that the prefer size?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 7 03:12:51 2018 No.4508282 >>4507923 Some EMs (older machines) have drain sizes that most people agree are too big, but beyond that there's some room for variation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 7 23:37:58 2018 No.4510078 >>4441452 hell no

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 7 23:39:47 2018 No.4510082 File: 100 KB, 1014x1055, 098asd09834jk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4441452 /v/ is that way --->

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 01:19:16 2018 No.4510238 >>4510082 >nu-/v/ >pinball LOL

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 01:29:39 2018 No.4510249 File: 11 KB, 823x773, 98569856.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4510238 it was the wrong thread :p

Anonymous Mon Jan 8 01:52:02 2018 No.4510268
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=DfQNf3oLL3E

I had this idea and I wanted to see if it already existed. Turns out it did. I would have maybe done things differently, but close enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 02:13:06 2018 No.4510298 >>4510268 It's a big panel to be installed in playgrounds, in case you can't tell. Not a small toy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 10:44:50 2018 No.4510791 >>4510268 Looks like a skull from the thumbnail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 00:17:30 2018 No.4512224 >>4441452 star trek pinball, there is an original right

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 08:34:29 2018 No.4512841 >>4507163 Maintenance costs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 10 06:42:55 2018 No.4514569 >>4510082 >wojack poster >complaining about other poster's posts

Anonymous Thu Jan 11 04:03:22 2018 No.4516480

>>4507294
>Arcades in general dying out due to home consoles catching up with arcade games tech-wise

this gets parroted so much, but there's no reason to believe it

PS1 didn't come out until 1995 and its really big games didn't start coming out until 1997 and none of those were arcade ports save for like Tekken

Dupe Thu Jan 11 07:43:43 2018 No.4516616
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G I V E M E Y O U R M O N E Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCKDvjVzpNQ

Is there any pinball machine that even vaguely comes close to the sheer musical perfection of Black Knight 2000?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 11 07:45:59 2018 No.4516618 >>4452114 The display is only for extraneous things like score and balls left, the game itself is not video and therefore it is not a video game

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 11 07:59:56 2018 No.4516625 >>4516616 >Is there any pinball machine that even vaguely comes close to the sheer musical perfection of Black Knight 2000? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RMIp5nG-C3o

Anonymous Thu Jan 11 08:16:13 2018 No.4516631

>>4516480
I didn't mean that solely for arcade ports, but in general. The sound and graphics gap between arcade and console games shrunk dramatically during the 90s. Up until the mid-90s console hardware just didn't compare up to arcade machines, apart from few exceptions like the Neo-Geo, which hardly anyone had due to it being so expensive and with a limited library of games.

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