>I'm the only one who genuinely loves FF8

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Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:41:55 2013 No.443785 [Reply] [Original]

>I'm the only one who genuinely loves FF8

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:44:54 2013 No.443825 >>443785 Whatever. >tfw you slice your way through the first 2 discs by, uh...playing cards Quite odd I must say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:45:54 2013 No.443835 I love it too. Everybody secretely wants to live in Balamb Garden

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:46:24 2013 No.443840 Epic feels m8.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:47:24 2013 No.443847

They say first impressions are always the most important.

FF8 was my first Final Fantasy game...and I liked it.

I've never finished a FF game (due to laziness or just plain being shit at JRPGs) but I've gotten farther in FF8 than any other game in the series.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:47:24 2013 No.443850 My second favorite Final Fantasy, had a great atmosphere and plot

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:48:54 2013 No.443862 >>443785 No you're not. Though it is the worst of the PS1 games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:48:54 2013 No.443864 File: 281 KB, 640x480, pcsxr 2013-01-29 05-57-42-48.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:50:24 2013 No.443886 >>443864 Good locations, musics and some character designs. Brought down by the incredibly shitty writing and story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:50:24 2013 No.443894 Good locations, musics and some character designs. Brought down by the incredibly shitty writing, story and broken mechanics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 20:59:54 2013 No.443991 People only hate it because they're too busy drawing 99 of every spell instead of learning how to play.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:01:54 2013 No.444015 File: 55 KB, 210x210, 1332889520114.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > you will never be a student at balamb garden > you will never get excited about hot dogs in the cafeteria

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:03:54 2013 No.444047 >>444015 >you will never form a fan club about your hot teacher and tell any strangers about it Oh wait, this is 4chan

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:06:25 2013 No.444082 File: 254 KB, 640x480, pcsxr 2013-01-29 05-57-58-04.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>443864

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:06:54 2013 No.444069 I thought the setting was great except for Esthar which was completely retarded and didn't fit in at all. Also the story was nonsensical by the end of the second disk

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:08:25 2013 No.444090 >>444015 >you will never go on field trips to enslave fire demons

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:08:55 2013 No.444097 >>444015 >you will never turn down sex with two hot women who want to both fuck your brains out

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:09:54 2013 No.444109 >>444082 why the best girl always loses?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:11:54 2013 No.444134 FF8 is my favorite in the series and I don't give a fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:12:24 2013 No.444147 File: 59 KB, 473x359, Misa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>444109 I beg to differ.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:12:54 2013 No.444145 File: 42 KB, 320x224, Final_Fantasy_VIII_PSX_045.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>444015 You will never have a hot teacher who can operate giant guns.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:15:24 2013 No.444165 >>444147 the exception doesn't make the rule

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:18:25 2013 No.444189 >>444145 >making her have to destroy X-atmwhatsitsface instead of doing it yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:19:24 2013 No.444198 >>444097 >two

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:19:54 2013 No.444205 >>443785 My second favorite game in the series, behind FF12 and I own every FF game ever made, and played them all. I am not trolling

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:20:24 2013 No.444209 >>444097 Quistis and.......Selphie? Your sister?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:23:24 2013 No.444243 >>444209 >Your sister? please dont be going where i think youre going...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:27:54 2013 No.444268 >I'm the only one who genuinely loves Rinoa Just kiddingfuck Rinoa

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:28:54 2013 No.444284
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No OP. I have never been afraid to tell people FFVIII is my favorite FF game. In large part because it did things so different from the typical game; focused on customization, actual side questing content that had meaning, interesting characters that didn't follow the same typical FF structure, amazing direction in FMVs (still better than anything Square has made since) and a story that had more meat to it besides 'a hero finds a reason for living' and '3/4 the characters/NPCs died what a tweest'.

Having said all that however, I'm sure there's plenty of people who disagree with my views above. That's fine. Just don't start the typical arguing about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:31:24 2013 No.444307 The whole "we always knew each other but we forgot" thing was retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:33:24 2013 No.444329 >>444307 To be fair, they did mention memory loss at the start of the game, but they didn't do enough to make the plot twist plausible

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:33:55 2013 No.444338 >>444284 >amazing direction in FMVs (still better than anything Square has made since) FF12?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:35:54 2013 No.444353 >>444338 did you really think i was going to make fun of the laughing scene in this spoiler? sorry, not this time

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:35:54 2013 No.444357 I got feels when Squall was carrying Rinoa around. I felt like he was actually growing as a character. The rest of the game, though, wasn't my tea.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:35:54 2013 No.444362 >>444357 whatever

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:37:54 2013 No.444385

>>443894
Writing and story are the same thing, and honestly there's only a few small and arguably insignifigant segments that were ill conceived (like the orphanage bit). The majority of the plot is on par with most FFs, and is only overshadowed by the likes of FFVII and maybe FFVI.

Also, the mechanics are only broken if you either use a guide to be god on disc one or don't pay enough attention to the tutorials and spam GFs like a retard.

If you play the game the way it's meant to be played (IE, not being a retard and figuring it out yourself) then it's just fine.

I will agree that there are better FFs out there and the game has it's issues, but they far from bog it down, and it's still honestly in the top 5 best FFs overall.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:39:24 2013 No.444401 You're not alone OP. I love this game. Its fantastic. I love its flaws too. It got me into the Final Fantasy series.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:39:55 2013 No.444407

>>443785
No, I love it too. I think a lot of people hate it because they hate the magic draw / junction system or just couldn't figure it out.

I had a recent playthrough and I admit I had to re-learn it, because it's just so different from the rest of the games.

I also like to think the whole "Rinoa is Ultimacea" thing is real as i play, as it makes the whole story more believable.

This is a good read too: http://squallsdead.com/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:40:24 2013 No.444416 >>443825 Triple Triad was the shit <3

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:41:24 2013 No.444432 >>444385b >the mechanics are only broken if you either use a guide to be god on disc one Bullshit. FF8 battle system is as easy to break as FFT's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:41:54 2013 No.444426 >>443835 This is me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:42:24 2013 No.444437 >>443864 >>444082 I don't know.. I always thought the whole "Squall's really not as deep as he thinks he is" to be pretty endearing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:43:24 2013 No.444438 >>444307 well it was more that it was soo hamfisted and nothing was really done with it. it could have easily tied into the plot properly instead of just drawing attention to itself for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:45:24 2013 No.444458 >>444407 That Squall is dead theory is full on retarded. I can handle the whole Rinoa-Ultimecia thing but fuck that other theory.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:49:54 2013 No.444493

>>444407
>I also like to think the whole "Rinoa is Ultimacea" thing is real as i play, as it makes the whole story more believable.
>This is a good read too: http://squallsdead.com/

11/10, you really nailed the mindset of someone who thinks FF8s story wasnt retarded enough

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:50:24 2013 No.444497

>>444338

FFXII looks fine. A lot better than FFX in terms of direction. Its just hard to get past how much of the scenes in FFXII look taken right out of star wars. The Naboo Celebration, huge areal battles that look taken out of Return of the Jedi, huge landscapes that look like Coruscant....

A major part of direction is also originality. At least to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:50:55 2013 No.444498 >>444458 >ayrt it's still a fun read, I don't think it's plausible though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:52:24 2013 No.444517 >>444329 I tried to keep my GF usage to a minimum because of this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:53:24 2013 No.444520 >>443785 You ain't alone brother, the game was great.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:54:24 2013 No.444528 >>444497 Luckily, I forgot everything about Star Wars cause I dislike it, so FF12 was original to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:57:25 2013 No.444548 >>444493 The Rinoa-Ultimecia theory at least has canon to back it up. Relax.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:59:54 2013 No.444561 >>444497 the plot and characters in general were lifted from star wars. Still a good game. I love star wars so i loved 12. I remember when 12 first came out, trolls were going crazy comparing 12 to star wars. Still cracks me up to this day.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:05:54 2013 No.444609

>>444385
>Writing and story are the same thing
Writing as a term includes more. Dialogue for instance.
>only a few small and arguably insignifigant segments that were ill conceived
No, the story is far worse than just about all other FF games, is unnecessarily convoluted for "romance meets retarded time travel story" and has the worst execution bar none in the entire FF franchise.
>Also, the mechanics are only broken if you either use a guide
Or if you refine items AT ALL.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:08:24 2013 No.444637 >>444407 >http://squallsdead.com/ love this, i remember as a kid hearing about the laguna is squalls dad. I loved all video game rumors in general

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:11:24 2013 No.444669 >>444548 some fangirls 'head-canon' isnt canon.even considering FF8s assault on logic there is absolutely nothing to back up R=U.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:14:54 2013 No.444701 >>444637 but laguna is squalls dad, the game practically punches you in the face in case you had somehow not worked it out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:16:54 2013 No.444713 >>444669 You sounds like a typical mad-cunt grrl gaymr, fuck off toots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:18:54 2013 No.444734 >>444637 Same here. I think they're fun. :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:19:54 2013 No.444746 >>444609 >and has the worst execution bar none in the entire FF franchise. nah, as horrifically incompetant as 8 is, 13 and its tumours manage to be worse. nomura truely is the japanese george lucas

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:21:54 2013 No.444762

>>444701
I haven't played this game in a very long time.. I believe i was 8 or 9 when it came out. I loved it and beat it (with guides) so my memory of the story is foggy, but i just remember thinking to myself that laguna was squalls dad and his mom was the lady that laguna always hit on + that girl that you go with white seed to get is his sister fo realz.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:26:54 2013 No.444806 File: 55 KB, 156x248, kacho feels.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>444517 My GF usage is always at a minimum

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:26:54 2013 No.444807

>>444762
Laguna really is Squall's dad though.

>Toward the end of the game, aboard the Ragnarok, Kiros and Ward comment on Squall's resemblance to his mother (Raine) and his dissimilarity to his father (Leguna). Nomura designed Squall to intentionally contrast with Laguna.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:28:24 2013 No.444819

I love this game, but when I think about it I can't help but rage about the absurdly broken magic system. You are completely discouraged from actually casting magic since you can junction it to your stats, and of course the more you have of a particular spell, the better the stat increase. And to make things worse, the developers traded a magic system based on MP for one based on a number of castings, like magic's an item. It just means it's something you'll need to farm. Spoony says pretty much all there is to say about the draw system: http://spoonyexperiment.com/2007/04/05/final-fantasy-viii-review-part-2/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:28:24 2013 No.444823 FF8 is so, so, so much more entertaining if you view it as a comedy with interludes of drama, rather than a drama with interludes of comedy. Squall is honestly the funniest main character in the FF franchise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:28:24 2013 No.444824 >>444806 I didn't use any GF because I never had one

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:29:24 2013 No.444832 Rinoa is a twat. Fact that is 100% overlooked cause

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:30:24 2013 No.444842
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>>444807

>Nomura designed Squall to intentionally contrast with Laguna.

Nomura originally designed Squall as a 'more feminine version of Cloud'. Thank god Kitase slapped him silly and made him change the designs.

Then he got his payback in Dissidia, where he made Squall look feminine anyway. Right down to having a half-skirt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:30:54 2013 No.444839 >>444819 Never ever take the words of a "caustic critic" seriously about a game he obviously dislikes. Spoony a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:31:24 2013 No.444848 >>444832 so what you named Rinoa's dog?

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:32:54 2013 No.444854

>>444762
nah, the story is the definition of 'pointlessly complex' .the piano lady laguna hits on in the first flashback is rinoa's mother, whereas squalls mother is the different woman in the second flashback, who is also ellones adoptive guardian at the time. this obviously leasves huge room for confusion and is a goldmine for sick bastards who seem to want some combo of squall/rinoa/ellone incest when none of them would be related

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:32:54 2013 No.444856 >>444806 hahhaahahahahah.. just realized what i said there..

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:39:24 2013 No.444898
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>>444854

While FFVIII is my favorite FF game, I will be the first to admit that the game could have been even better if it focused on Laguna more (or completely). Butthis is hardly the first FF game where the backstory/side characters seemed more interesting than the main characters.

And I agree with you. The story was needlessly complex. Much like the story in Chrono Cross. But both games suffer from many idiots out there spouting theories and plain false information of why the games story sucks. When they themselves didn't even understand it (or even play it).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:40:24 2013 No.444907 >>444842 im pretty sure the original concepts were done by amano, with proto-squall and proto-seifer in the opposite roles. so when nomura took over he decided he hadnt wanked to gackt enough and had hit shitty way with the designs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:41:54 2013 No.444920 Despite the hate, I've always loved this game. I loved Squalls character, I loved his relationship with Rinoa, I loved the duality between characters and the deep plot. It was an awesome game, with great sidequests, tons of GFs and an awesome minigame.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:50:25 2013 No.445001
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I love how mentioning FFVIII is my main series favorite in any given thread gives places to a volcano storm of asspain.

Anyways, it's a great game through and through. Never really liked the girls (especially Rinoa), but Squall and Zell are great characters, the story as a whole is really enjoyable (i could do without the orphanage thing) and Triple Triad is the shit. Not to mention it's a game so easily broken you set just how much difficulty you want to have. I also honestly think it has the best soundtrack of the series.

That whole sequence with Squall carrying Rinoa's unconscious body around was poignant as fuck, even though i don't like her.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:51:54 2013 No.445014

>>444920

Only reason I liked Squal was because I could Renzokuken everything to death with little/no help from anyone else, except Zell and his broken two-button combo bullshit. You don't even need to stack GF forces on them and they can rape the game. It's ridiculous.

But yes, triple triad stands out as like, one of the best things in any RPG, and being able to craft up your weapons from enemy drops. It did a lot of things right for sure, but the things it did wrong seem to bring the most hate, even though all the good shit far outweighs the bad. Excellent game for fucking around in, and fucking with characters with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:52:24 2013 No.445021 >>443785 It's far from my favorite FF game but I don't hate it. Hell I'm probably one of the few people who loved Triple Triad. At least it wasn't fucking Tetra Master.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:23:24 2013 No.445237 Is it safe to say 8 was the most ambitious Final Fantasy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:25:54 2013 No.445246 >>445237 I think FFXIII was the most ambitious. It did away with the FF concepts much harsher than VIII did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:26:24 2013 No.445252 >>445021 Best minigame ever! I wish I could play that IRL

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:27:54 2013 No.445261 >>445252 But there are real life Triple Triad cards. Except they're now INCREDIBLY expensive (think "$80 for a Quistis card" expensive). You can just print them off or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:28:54 2013 No.445268 File: 224 KB, 750x500, mayael.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>445021 >I'm the only one who genuinely loves Tetra Master

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:32:24 2013 No.445313

>>445014
It fails in its gameplay in how broken it is. I don't even mean the easily broken early game here but things like Holy War items, insane HP bloat for endgame bosses and the best magic for stats being thrown around like it's nothing.
It regularly fails in its writing. From the utterly inane dialogue (Seifer was probably the worst about this, but your party members were often just as bad) to the completely shit story by the second disc.

Few people are so forgiving as to overlook that for some good-looking set-pieces.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:36:54 2013 No.445338

>>445021

Triple Triad was awesome if you knew how to play, and had an average deck.

Same thing with whatever that sphereball game was called in 10. If you kept your original team (and the first time through I also didn't have Jecht Shot for Tidus) it was difficult (but then they became OP).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:38:24 2013 No.445352 >>445338 Jecht Shot made blitzball a joke. It was pretty much 'score three guaranteed goals with JS and idle around' every match. But it was fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:39:24 2013 No.445360 >>445338 I would never play Blitzball without Jecht Shot again. That game is not fucking fun without it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:42:55 2013 No.445391

>>445352

Yeah. I didn't have as much fun the second time around because of it.

It was difficult with the original team, but not impossible.. so wins felt satisfying. They eventually became OP later on (I forget how the leveling system worked).

There were days (when the game was still new) that I'd play it just for Blitzball.

With Triple Triad, I didn't go that far.. but it's something I always think about when I think about 8.. wanting to play 8 just in general, but also excited at the idea of Triple Triad again.

..but fuck random.. heh. I remember my first time through I didn't control the rules and got hit with random early or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:43:24 2013 No.445394 File: 8 KB, 78x250, Nimrook.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>445360 "OUIIIIII CRYMMMM HUD CLUUUUUUUUNA!!"

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:43:24 2013 No.445397

Love this game. Plot is bad but it's obviously a game about Squall/Rinoa's development and they use the plot as a vehicle, obviously took the background in terms of attention to detail and quality. Atmosphere ruled, good soundtrack , I dunno I just really enjoyed it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:43:54 2013 No.445403 >>445338 >>445352 >>445360 Some people like to play the game, and do their best, enjoying the opposition of two sides. Some people like to win at any cost, and the struggle of battle is worthless when unnecessary. I love this board.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:44:24 2013 No.445404

>>445313

>FF8 sucked because of shit gameplay and shit story

I knew it wouldn't take long before this thread went to shit.

Also, every FF game has a shit story and gameplay compared to other RPGs. Its really just a persons preference if they think FF8 is as bad in those categories as other FF games. Which is the overwhelming problem with FF as a series. They're all so different and always throw out everything from the past games that every person out there is bound to hate at least half of the games.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:44:24 2013 No.445405
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8 spelled the end for Final Fantasy.
Then 10 came out and the series was officially dead.

If Sakaguchi wasn't the Producer (and not Executive Producer that's just SE code for "we want his name on it but not his actual hand in it") then it might as well not be considered a Final Fantasy game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:45:25 2013 No.445410 >>445403 spoken like a poet anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:45:55 2013 No.445415 File: 24 KB, 209x230, honking intensifies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>445394 >Nimrook >NIMROOK >NIMROOOOOOOK >THAT FUCKING BASTARD!!

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 23:48:25 2013 No.445438

>>445404
>every FF game has a shit story and gameplay compared to other RPGs
Compared to other RPGs at the time FF was practically a fucking novel.
>They're all so different and always throw out everything from the past games
FF1-6 are very close to each other, FF7 was the first big break from that and it still kept a lot things from the earlier series. FF9 is practically identical to the earlier ones thematically.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:06:57 2013 No.445590
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>>445438

>Compared to other RPGs at the time FF was practically a fucking novel.

You've only played FF games, haven't you? I can name dozens of JRPGs, on the PSX and before, that had better scripts than any FF game. Suikoden I-II, Dragon Quest IV/V/VII, Lufia 2, Chrono Trigger/Cross,

>FF1-6 are very close to each other

No they weren't. FFII was vastly different from FFI. Hence why it is hated by so many FF fans. FFIII used the class sytem from FFI, but aside from the class system and gameplay has virtually no similarities to the previous games. FFIV introduced the ATB system, summons and the 'why do I exist' hero most future FF games tried to utilize. FFV returned to the class system, but has virtually nothing else in common with FFI or III. And FFVI was a HUGE departure from the previous games in all ways.

>FF7 was the first big break from that and it still kept a lot things from the earlier series

The only thing FFVII kept from previous games was the ATB system and summons. And the 'why do I exist' hero who goes on for hours with internal monologues and lets his friends die in front of him (courtesy of FFIV). The vast majority of the game was very different.

>FF9 is practically identical to the earlier ones thematically.

And in everything besides the design, it was completely different. And you can't use the design of FFIX as a defense when you previously were trying to compare FFI-VII in other areas. Unless you were trying to imply FFI-VII shared similar design and themes. Because then you're just plain wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:09:54 2013 No.445614 >>445590 You forgot Lunar 1 and Lunar 2 in that first point.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:11:54 2013 No.445629
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>>445590

>Compared to other RPGs at the time FF was practically a fucking novel.

You've only played FF games, haven't you? I can name dozens of JRPGs, on the PSX and before, that had better scripts than any FF game. Suikoden I-II, Dragon Quest IV/V/VII, Lufia 2, Chrono Trigger/Cross,

wut

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:22:54 2013 No.445725 >>445629 >random image >no rebuttal wut?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:22:54 2013 No.445727

>>444669
>there is absolutely nothing to back up R=U

Actually there's plenty in the game to back it up. Only a line in the Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania guide that sorceresses do die of old age dispelled the theory.

It's remarkable how much of this fan theory is (unintentionally) backed up in the game script.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:23:55 2013 No.445738 File: 73 KB, 586x521, 1365297293143.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>445725 wot

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:53:54 2013 No.446026 File: 129 KB, 640x480, FFVIII Fin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>443785 You are not alone OP , also eyes on me is best FF song ( with vocals )ever

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 00:59:25 2013 No.446068 File: 38 KB, 500x624, cosplay8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>446026 I'll drink to that! Faye Wong sand the first song I went full Otaku on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3d3er2RKdw

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:08:55 2013 No.446135 File: 78 KB, 452x676, 1357921338350.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>446068 sheeet that just gave me the feels

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:14:55 2013 No.446185 >>446026 Fuck you. Melodies of Life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:17:25 2013 No.446217 File: 1.04 MB, 1500x1050, 1311592600180.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>446185 More feels incoming >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye7BGnlTZmQ

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:19:25 2013 No.446232 >>446185 bah that crap is only good when playing on the overworld map and then its called "crossing the knoll" if you mean this then i agree best FF song without voice

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:22:26 2013 No.446250 >>446232 If I'd meant Crossing the Knoll, I would have said Crossing the Knoll. But you go ahead and keep sucking the cock of your contrived j-pop abomination. The biggest shit stain on an otherwise unremarkable game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:23:25 2013 No.446263 >>446232 anyway forgive me for going full /v/ there didn't mean to call it crap ,but damn this booze

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:26:55 2013 No.446295 >>443991 >drawing 99 of every spell instead of learning how to play Is there a guide to it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:30:25 2013 No.446328 >>446295 you really didn't need 99 of every one unless going after eden/bahamut then it was recommended to get 99 of some

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 01:56:26 2013 No.446509 File: 219 KB, 480x344, OooSoft.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>446217 >tfw the lyrics for Melodies of Life fit FF9 perfectly

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 02:05:56 2013 No.446557 File: 1.51 MB, 250x200, 1365905558186.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>446295 >first playthrough of FF8 as a kid >rarely ever used drawing >draw points everywhere >card mod >mfw people complain about the draw system

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 03:43:25 2013 No.447154 If I refine a player card like Selphie using card mod; is the card lost forever or can I get another one later?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 03:46:25 2013 No.447187 File: 169 KB, 696x1044, 1355870377523.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>446509 That scene gave me a semi, not gonna lie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 06:48:25 2013 No.447948 >>446557 >forced to play the shittiest minigame possible >good system

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:03:50 2013 No.448006 >>447948 Did you seriously just say that Triple Triad is the shittiest minigame ever? Have you even played it? I think countless fan projects and card collectors want a little talk with you...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:05:49 2013 No.448015 >>443785 Best FF.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:07:20 2013 No.448021 >>446026 Remember "Julia's Song?" from FF8? That was the motherfuckin tits.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:08:20 2013 No.448025 >>447948 Your stupid head is confusing Triple Triad with Tetra Master.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:20:50 2013 No.448081 >>447948 >Forced The hell is wrong with you? You fucked up the global rules and lost Ifrit immediately, didn't you? Don't complain the game is shit when you're shit at it, it's like I truly am on /v/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:25:20 2013 No.448106 >>448081 >Losing Ifrit Oh my, I just remembered the amount of resets I had to do when I was still learning how to play. Mog is best card.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 07:36:51 2013 No.448146

Final Fantasy VIII has the best world map theme, and that says a lot considering the many awesome world map themes in the series. I love falling asleep to the piano version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxqIksi6QcU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMvZXaTAiRw (piano)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 09:12:20 2013 No.448515 >>446232 I will never ever ever understand the appeal of Eyes on Me. Especially over Melodies of Life. Heck I even prefer Su Te ki de na or however you spell it from FFX

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 09:54:50 2013 No.448686 File: 728 KB, 624x2464, balamb garden.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:53:52 2013 No.448971 >>448686 I have no idea what is going on here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:57:21 2013 No.448991 >>448971 A long time ago some guy wrote up a long post about how he was going to kill himself because Selfie of one of the girls from FFVIII told him that was the only way to enter their world and be together. This appears to be a parody of that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:58:51 2013 No.449002 File: 64 KB, 400x400, 1327647548332.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>448515 bb....but it was my first!

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:00:21 2013 No.449010

>>448971
I think the joke is that balamb garden is such a fond memory in the mind of some FF fans that they all could see themselves living there.

but as there is no balamb garden and reality is harsh, he can't take it anymore and chooses this as an exit in delusion he will reach his "paradise" after death.

tbh it's a pretty shit transition though

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:01:51 2013 No.449024 >>448991 did he do it? if yes, jesus fuck, I'm really convinced some people should take meds

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:02:52 2013 No.449027 My first Final Fantasy. I will always cherish it, still own the PC version.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:03:51 2013 No.449029 >>448515 That's because you're a pleb, Steve. A pleb.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:05:51 2013 No.449039

>>448081
Your choices in FF8 are basically: Play shitty minigame, draw magic or refine items.
Out of those only drawing magic isn't completely broken, except in the endgame when it's just as bad with Ultima, and it's a fucking drudgery to boot.
Siren's L Mag-RF alone makes the game easy as fuck even if you ignore the countless other abilities that break the game's balance utterly.
Defending FF8's mechanics requires fanboyism or blindness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:06:51 2013 No.449045 >>448686 i lol'd

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:13:21 2013 No.449083

>>449024

Haven't the slightest clue. I don't have the pasta of it either, perhaps someone else does? But the tone, to me, seemed at least semi-serious about going through with it. Sadly it's just left up to the imagination at this point, but I hope he found his Selfie, one way or another.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:15:51 2013 No.449096 >I'm the only one that doesn't care for ANY of the Final Fantasy games

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:16:51 2013 No.449105 >>449039 > shitty minigame That's where the wrong in your post rears its head.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:49:21 2013 No.449263 anyone have that pic to make a playstation emulator work on a computer?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:49:21 2013 No.449269 >>443785 You've not, it's a fantastic game with a few glaring flaws. Second best character arc in the series, after FFX.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:57:22 2013 No.449320

>>449039

Did you ever think for a second that maybe, just maybe, the game was purposefully designed that way? I mean, really, why would they impliment such a system, if they didn't want you to become a walking god. Exp and points are dolled out every fight in spades, the GFs are easy as fuck to get and come with equally easy to get powers.

You're supposed to be an elite super soldier that binds with god avatars for fuck's sake. You're supposed to be super strong, that's the whole goddamn point. If you don't feel like breaking the game in an hour, DON'T, if you feel like raping T-rexaurs until you're level 99 before you even do your first mission, DO SO.

The point is to play how you want, and they designed it exactly like that.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 11:58:21 2013 No.449328

>people still thinking Nomura designed Squall after Gackt
This has been going on for 14 years with my best friend and she still fucking believes this.

Why. Just because it came out on the same fucking year as his Mizerable debut everyone and their weeaboo grandmothers believe this profusely.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:17:51 2013 No.449428 >>449328 >Google Gackt because who is this guy? >Thinking Gackt from FFXIII will show up some how Whoa....this dude reallu does look like Squall

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:24:22 2013 No.449484 >>448991 http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/173242351/#173243335

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:29:52 2013 No.449516 >>449320 >until you're level 99 Have you even played the game? FF8 penalizes you for levelling.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:33:21 2013 No.449532

>>449516
Not necessarily. You can junction in such a way that when you level up you get str+1, spr+1, etc. in addition to the stat increases that you would get normally. This allows you to become really powerful by the time you're level 99 if you do it right.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:34:52 2013 No.449540
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>>443847

FF VIII was my first and though I didn't hate it, it was just okay to me. FF IX is still my favorite, and I liked Tetra Master much more.

But hey OP that's okay, everyone is different and you're entitled to your opinion.

Also, not trying to be a douche but is there anyone out there whose favorite game is X-2 and can give a legitimate reason why? I've never met anyone who honestly thought it was the best in the series.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:37:21 2013 No.449554 >>449516 I know, but I do it anyway due to the simple fact I simply CANNOT do low level runs in RPGS. EVERYONE MUST BE LEVEL 99 ALL WEAPONS AND AT LEAST ONE OF EVERY ITEM ATTAINED I SHALL SUMMON ALL GODS AT ONCE AND SCORCH THE EARTH.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:37:52 2013 No.449552
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>>449516

>Have you even played the game?

Have you even played the game? I have, three times. Each time, I only fought what I naturally came up across. And by the end of the game, everyone in my main party was level 100. And I was still able to beat the game just fine.

>FF8 penalizes you for levelling.

No it doesn't. The monsters you fight only increase in level every 10 levels. So you can in theory be level 99 and the enemies/bosses will stay at level 90. This is why people will rush to level 18 or so, then run for every other battle in the game. But 'exploiting' the system isn't the same as a game 'penalizing you for leveling'.

And really, people are always complaining about how easy and exploitable FF8 is to begin with. Wouldn't you rather make the game a little harder by actually increasing your level? Not like it makes the game that much more difficult anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:38:21 2013 No.449558 I'm thinking of popping it in for a re-play...never actually finished the game the first time around. Any draw/junction tips, or general vital info I should know?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:39:51 2013 No.449565 >>449554 I know that feel although Level 99 each is a little much. Just enough to beat the super secret final boss

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:44:21 2013 No.449601

>>449552
That's slightly incorrect. Most bosses, excepting certain optional bosses, have a hard level cap meaning they can only ever be a certain level at most.

Example: Elvoret, the freaky fly monster you fight at the top of the comm tower during the SeeD exam, has a level cap of 14.

All "trash" monsters have no level cap, though. This means that some basic monsters can become stronger than the final bosses. (Ultimecia is capped at around 65 or so iirc)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:46:51 2013 No.449616 >>443785 I love it too. Don't worry OP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:47:21 2013 No.449632 >>445727 the damned 'proto-datalogs' in the help menu say they die of old age. was i the only one OCD enough to actually read those? jebus, i thought the dire state of education was hyperbole, but really no-one can read for comprehension nowadays.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:47:51 2013 No.449621

>>449558

DO IT FAGGOT.

Drawing is kinda useless(except when acquiring GFs from bosses and getting Blind nagic early on) go for refinement skills instead, since you can turn basically any stupid shit you find into junctionable magic. Especially monster cards, so abuse the card skill like no tomorrow.

Keep your level reasonably low when you fight ifrit, then use that magic lamp thing to summon diablos and beat him, otherwise at high level he becomes a problem.

Instant Death immunity is important, so get that shit as soon as you possibly can.

Mug is your best friend for acquiring that hard-to-get last weapon shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:54:21 2013 No.449668 File: 108 KB, 800x800, 1114380754838.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>449632 Considering most people on 4chan don't even read more than 1 line of a post, that should have been your first clue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:57:51 2013 No.449694 >>449632 I thought that stuff wasa nice touch, I'd check in from time to time and see how the committee was doing, or the current hot dog status..

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 12:58:51 2013 No.449706 >>449621 I remember fighting Diablos many a times...I must have been a higher level. It was a bitch. How do you get Instant Death immunity?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:04:51 2013 No.449736 >>449694 i wasnt even talking about selphies laguna schlickfest, i was talking bout the glossary in the help section on the main menu/inventory/7millionotherthings.<wbr>

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:04:52 2013 No.449738
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>>449621
>>449706

>Keep your level reasonably low when you fight ifrit, then use that magic lamp thing to summon diablos and beat him, otherwise at high level he becomes a problem.

Diablos is only hard until you figure out that using his own Demi spell on him works. But in typical Final Fantasy fashion, they never tell you that it would work. And you logically assume that a boss casting a certain spell would be immune to it so most people never try.

Still not as bad as most of the bosses in FFIV however. Which have some of the strangest weaknesses (like having to steal from Rubacante to make him stop casting Flare...wtf?)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:07:22 2013 No.449749 >>449738 Ah, yeah! I remember thinking, wtf? Its like casting a Fire spell on Ifrit..doesn't compute.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:10:21 2013 No.449763

>>449706

Yes, since he's gravity based, the higher your HP the more he's gonna fuck you. Plus his physical attacks are strong enough to kill you in the weakened state. And he's FAST.

Death immunity comes from junctioning Death spells into your status defense slots(when applicable with the correct GF.) Remember, the more of a spell you have in your defense slot, the higher you resist it, up to 100%, but I think some monster skills ignore this, I don't remember, I think LV.3 DEATH will kill you even with the immunity stat if your level matches up. You can do this with any status effect also, but I find anything but Death, Paralyze and Stone to be mere annoyance, at best.

Also remember to get Doomtrain(from the boss on the train, dur) since he can absolutely rape bosses and most enemies with status effects, which are actually useful to junction onto your weapons.

Zell also has an unstoppable combo. X + O, Up, down, left, right. those are the only ones you need to know, they are so simple and quick to input, and he hits pretty hard, and can keep this shit racking up for any troublesome boss you might encounter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:12:21 2013 No.449779 >>449763 thanks bro. its time to feel those feels

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:22:21 2013 No.449839
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>>449763

Finally, someone who actually played FFVIII correctly.

I pretty much spammed Doomtrain every major battle after I got it.

And I never understand why people don't like Zell. I found he was the second highest damage dealer after Squall and his renozubroken. My main team each time I play the game always just ends up being Squall, Zell and Selphie (Full-Cure and Mana regen every turn, sure why not).

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:27:51 2013 No.449872

>>449763
>but I think some monster skills ignore this, I don't remember, I think LV.3 DEATH will kill you even with the immunity stat if your level matches up.
nah, they say that some attacks can still work at 100% status defence but in reality theres only 2, and they dont have status defence in the first place. theyre 'eject' from degenerator which you'll probably never see used on you, and 'vit/spr 0' from meltdown. its just that theres also a vit/spr check in status def too so 99% status def doesnt correlate to 'only 1 in 100 attempts get through'

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:28:51 2013 No.449880 >>449872 oh but 100% is protection regardless

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:31:51 2013 No.449905 >>449839 >Mana regen every turn >FF8 im sorry to inform you but you have fallen out of your universe into a much much worse one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:31:51 2013 No.449906 >>449839 I thought everybody already knew Zell is the most broken character. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXWB5jQ_nuY

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:35:51 2013 No.449924

>>449839

>But MY weapons are these fists o' mine!

They probably didn't like the doofy badass in disguise trope. Zell's easily my favorite character in the game, and probably in top 5 all around.And so, so, so fucking broken when you do that combo with 10 seconds on the clock.

I enjoyed experimenting with it, since they actually went ahead and made status effects useful again.

Also same, usually end up with Zell, Squall, and rotate in one of the females at random from time to time, because when you pack that much firepower already, it's nice to have eyecandy. Also I like looking at Selphie's panties during her moves. Shit got me hard as energy stones as teen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:39:21 2013 No.449959 >>449924 Ha..this game was great for a teen. College undertones with babes all over...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:40:21 2013 No.449969 >>444842 This piece honestly, genuinely makes Squall look like a woman which ultimately improves his design because vaguely attractive and annoying is better than just annoying.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:41:21 2013 No.449973

>>449906
>>449924

I really don't understand how some people don't get Zel. He's just the typical jock who is easy to get angry or tease, but is actually pretty knowledgeable about the world. A troupe which is used countless times in anime and Japanese games. From Aoki in Hajime no Ippo to Groose in Zelda: Skyward Sword.

Add to this he basically has the same Duel skill as Sabin from FFVI, but chained into a Limit Break....yeah, he's broken.

I honestly wish more games had a character like him. Maybe even a min character, though usually these characters work better as secondary joke characters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:44:22 2013 No.449997 >>449973 I always thought at the very least Zell just wanted to do everyone right. I thought he was a cool dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:51:21 2013 No.450050 >>449763 You don't get Doomtrain from the boss on the train, dur

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:53:21 2013 No.450071 Now I remember why I used to wake up to the Balamb theme...sooo pleasant...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 13:55:21 2013 No.450086 This game had the best "Oh shit let's get out of here!" themes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvV7IUNra3k

Cpt. Mad Megane !!HALfgKnx56A Sun Apr 14 14:02:21 2013 No.450124
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I really like the title logo for 8. It has a "Knight and his Princess/Queen" thing going for it.

It's been too long since I gave FF8 a full playthrough, but I don't remember Squall being particularly emo or angsty. So every time someone brings that up I take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr4eB0WOwN0

This song really gives off a feeling of dignity and honor in my opinion.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:02:51 2013 No.450126

>>449973

I never thought of him as a typical jock. He's a total bro right from the start and stays that way the whole time. He's the broest of the bros, and was genuinely nice to everyone he met. ZELL LOVES HIS MOM FOR CHRIST'S SAKE and nearly has a panic attack over her safety, but he troops on and gets shit done so nothing befalls his beloved family. He's adopted sure, but they are his parents for real. You just don't see that shit.

And then he shoved his fist up Omega Weapons anus and saved the world forever.

There would be no complaints about this game if Zell was the main character(fuck Squall, this game is about how awesome Zell is and his shitty sidekick who happens to find the Ragnarok.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:04:51 2013 No.450138 >>450126 yeah, Zell is easily the gaming equivalent of that good guy whatever meme

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:09:21 2013 No.450172 >>450126 >massive hard on for a game character that was adopted in the game's story You sound like you were adopted. Did your biological mother discard you like trash, too?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:11:21 2013 No.450183

>>450126
You know, I never thought about it like this, but it would have been a way better game IF Zell had been the MC instead of Cutty McEmobitch. Sure he's a bit dorky, but so what. He's way more compelling than Squall. Also, he'd have probably hooked up with Quistis instead of Ditsy O'Cuntpunch because Zell ain't a fagget. Or Selphie, because insane chicks are hot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:13:51 2013 No.450205 >>450183 He'd have an awkward first date, but once he gets into the groove he's tapping datass

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:19:21 2013 No.450245
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>>450126

I think your description and mine are pretty much the same. Except you dislike the idea of him being called a 'jock'. But you must have overlooked all the countless times of him stretching, punching walls, talking about how fighting makes him feel alive and defending the ones he loves with his fists. He's a jock through and through. And not only a jock, but as I said, the stereotypical anime jock.

But unlike many people on this buard who thinks anime insperation is somehow bad and its cool to hate anything from Japan, I liked him because of his affinity to other anime 'jocks'. Which it is so very common for those guys to be misunderstood and hated despite being the nicest guys in their shows.

>>	Cpt. Mad Megane !!HALfgKnx56A Sun Apr 14 14:21:21 2013 No.450263 Would it be safe to say that out of the main characters, Irvine is the most unremarkable? Seriously, he hasn't left much of an impression with me.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:22:51 2013 No.450273

the relative amount of love this game gets makes me disappointed and it also reminds me of how much more potent the experience of doing something for the first time is than the actual quality of the game. it's a terrible game by every standard I can think of

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:23:21 2013 No.450281

>>450183
>>450126
You guys are right .... also if you look at their character designs, Zell looks more like a MC than Squall does.
I also agree on the hawt Zell+Selphie Hookup.

Now that we're talking about changes...
It wouldd have been cool to have Zell as the MC, Seifer as aprty member and squall taking Seifer's palce as an antagonist.
Squall's emo personality would have worked better that way.
Also Seifer and Zell arguing through the whole game would have been very funy/interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:23:51 2013 No.450280 >>450263 Yeah, I wasn't entirely smitten with him...guns are cool and all, but it was like he was some sort of 'western-inspired' character that wasn't fleshed out.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:24:21 2013 No.450289

>>450183

Laguna really should have been the main character honestly. Or at least as much of a focus as Squall. But the guys at Square love their 'why do I exist' protagonists, so we got Squall instead. But at least I feel Squall was the best of those types because he actually got over his reservations and took command of the group, Balamb Garden and everything else by Disk 2. The same cannot be said about a lot of other FF protagonists, which spend the vast majority of the game watching their friends sacrifice themselves and running away (Cecil, Terra, Cloud, etc).

Zell would have been great, but they should make a different game with a Zell type character as the lead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:25:22 2013 No.450301 >>450281 Holy shit ! All the typos.... Please forgive me guys...

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:27:51 2013 No.450310

>>450263

Irvine and Quistis pretty much have only one role in the game. To make Squall look better. Quistis pushes Squall out of Balamb Garden and then becomes complete ignored by the story. Likewise, Irvines ENTIRE point in the game is to build up to shooting Edea. Then he chickens out and Squall has to take command and clean up his mess (which he does without reservation and most people overlook). And after Disk 1, you might as well call Irvine 'Vincent 2.0'.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:28:21 2013 No.450316

>>450263
The issue with Irvine is that he has two purposes in the game 1.) to be the sixth party member 2.) "Oh, hey, thought I should mention. We all grew up together at the orphanage our enemy used to run. Weird, huh? Also, I wanna bang Selphie." That's all he did, at all, ever. In fact, he never has a speaking part after the orphanage.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:29:51 2013 No.450324

>>450124
>I don't remember Squall being particularly emo or angsty

its called hyperbole, its popular with the kids these days. Having even a single instant of not being 130% sure of yourself = angst, and actually having a feeling other than 'im king of the world bitches' = emo.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:33:52 2013 No.450354

>>450273
Every standard, eh? How about the standard of FFXIII? Admit it, FFVIII certainly isn't great by any means, but there are definitely worse in the series. And, in the grand scheme of JRPGS, it's relatively average. FFVIII's biggest faults lie in the cookie cutter tropes it uses at every turn, an awkward, stupid plot point and an interesting, but horribly implemented stat boosting system. Graphically it was superior for it's time (it came out a year after FFVII which, even then, was really ugly), the music is well done and backgrounds are fantastic. All the building blocks were there for a great game, they just got put together wrong.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:34:51 2013 No.450363

>>450124
>>450324

This. The fact is, Squall started off with the same 'why do I exist' and 'why bother' mentality as Cloud and many other FF protags. But the difference is, he got over it by Disk 2. Where many of those other guys struggled with it the entire game.

Cpt. Mad Megane !!HALfgKnx56A Sun Apr 14 14:35:21 2013 No.450380

>>450310
>>450316

Hey, at least Irvine is mandatory. I don't think Yuffie and Vincent had to be in the party. They weren't even in any of the CGI sequences if I remember correctly. But they made up for it by having their own sub quests.

Does the random rule algorithm for Triple Triad prefer weaker cards? I hated that stupid rule and how i unintentionally spread it over the world. I later unsuccessfully tried to make it disappear from the world.

Also: would you at least attribute part of the scorn FF8 gets to Spoony's review? Obviously, I expect the game to be kind of debated before him, but you know, whether he made disliking FF8 somewhat popular.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:36:51 2013 No.450389 What about Seifer as the main character ?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:38:22 2013 No.450406

>>450172

Nope. I can appreciate something even shallowly emotional because muh feels, etc, etc.

>>450245
>But you must have overlooked all the countless times of him stretching, punching walls, talking about how fighting makes him feel alive and defending the ones he loves with his fists. He's a jock through and through. And not only a jock, but as I said, the stereotypical anime jock.

To be perfectly honest I'd forgotten most of that shit until you reminded me just now. Getting too old to remember my favorite things, how fucking shitty.

But yup, you're right on the money with that point. Back then I didn't watch much anime, but looking at it now, it's pretty much exactly like a teen SoL show. And I love it(and those types of shows now too) fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:38:51 2013 No.450404 >ellone I want her to use the sashes on her arm to give me a handjob. Oh god.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:40:51 2013 No.450417

>>450324
I agree, he wasn't the ultra emo bitch everyone remembers. However, that idea comes from the fact that he spends the first half of the game with no defining personality aside from "whatever..." (apathetic is not angsty or emo, in fact, it's kind of worse) and being a dick to the people who honestly like him. Then, suddenly, he develops a character based entirely around a girl he just met out of responsibility. Unfortunately, that ends up defining him the rest of the game, he does stuff to save this girl. We'll overlook how stupid the whole Time Compression plot is for the sake of argument People end up incorrectly attributing no character to one of angst and emo-ness.

In summary, if anything, people should hate on Squall for having no character rather than having an overpalyed trope of a character because it's the default character flaw people go to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:41:51 2013 No.450425 >>450380 I actually think the computer cheats when the random rule is in effect, but I'm too lazy to play FF8 again just to test that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:41:51 2013 No.450428 >>444842 FUCKING NOMURA

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:42:21 2013 No.450431 >>450363 >Squall started off with the same 'why do I exist' and 'why bother' mentality as Cloud Did you even play FF7? Cloud was a rather snarky go-getting guy who got shit done until he started having a major identity crisis.

Cpt. Mad Megane !!HALfgKnx56A Sun Apr 14 14:43:51 2013 No.450438

>>450425
>when the random rule is in effect
Because you get weak cards (if your collection is of a decent size) while the CPU ends up with strong ones?

I took that as the NPC character just having a small set of cards. Which is why random is the bane of every collector.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:45:21 2013 No.450450

>>450380

>Also: would you at least attribute part of the scorn FF8 gets to Spoony's review?

I attribute the vast majority of it to his review and the internet mentality of hating something that is popular.

Before the internet really caught on with the general masses (basically, before about 10 years ago and before sites like 4chan/facebook/etc were around), general consensus about FF8 was nothing like it is today. I can still remember being back in high school (1998-2002 by the way) and back then, people didn't bitch about FF8 in any of the ways people do on the internet. In fact, people were constantly debating if it was one of the best FF games. All my friends and even people on early forums were debating between FF7, 8 and 10, which was the best. FF9 didn't even come into the equation.

If you listen to places like 4chan today, they try to make it seem like FF9 is the most popular FF game ever and FF8 is universally despised. And claim that's how it was even when the games came out. Which simply isn't true. The hate for FF8 and love for FF9 started after the internet got popular with the general masses.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:47:21 2013 No.450467

>>450380
> would you at least attribute part of the scorn FF8 gets to Spoony's review?

Yes, unfortunately. Now, I'm as much of a fan of his as anyone else, but I view it as entertainment. (Besides, his Ultima reviews are way more entertaining than his FF reviws because of his genuine passion for them.) I won't disabuse anyone of their medium but internet critics have become less about the reviewing process and more about the sensationalism of the visual medium. Problem is, as a species, humans aren't mature enough to formulate their own independent opinions for fear being ostracised from society.

On a personal note, I don't like FFVIII. It's incredibly flawed and, at best, the story is just disinteresting. Do I hate it with an unending passion? No, I just don't like it.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:49:52 2013 No.450481

>>450431

He used his 'snarky personality' to cover up his insecurities and fears of who he was. As time went on, he had to face those fears and his past..and he had multiple mental breakdowns over it. Not to mention practically ignoring everyone in the party trying to help him, especially Tifa.

Squall on the other hand started off with a passive 'who cares' mentality. But as time went on and he learned more about himself, he decided there was no reason to keep ignoring his destiny or others. From the Edea mission on, his entire personality changed from a passive loner to a responsible commander who actually tried to listen to his teammates and save them.

Pretty much Cloud kept tripping over himself and Squall picked himself up by disk 2.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:50:22 2013 No.450495 >>450438 Nah, I mean they just sometimes have -the- perfect card for the situation way too often.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:51:52 2013 No.450506

>>450417

>However, that idea comes from the fact that he spends the first half of the game with no defining personality aside from "whatever..."

Which I'd like to point out was a bad translation. He's actually saying something closer to the effect of 'what a bother' or 'what a pain'. Which you may not think is that big of a change. But in the context of each conversation, is a MAJOR difference. Especially once Squall starts putting forward the effort in Disk 2.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:52:21 2013 No.450517

>>450481
>and he had multiple mental breakdowns over it.
Uh no. He had all of two breakdowns over everything he ever knew being wrong.
Then after that he keeps up the snarky bits, "Let's Mosey" is from the endgame right around the time he blackscreen fucks Tifa.
>Squall on the other hand started off with a passive 'who cares'
More like extremely bitchy about anyone saying anything to him.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:53:51 2013 No.450523

>>450450

I honestly don't agree there is a large fanbase for IX now. I hear much more about IV, VII, X, and even VIII more than IX. Most people claim IX is "too generic" because of it's setting, even though I don't agree with that sentiment.

I do admit VIII seems to get a lot of hate without good reason. Most people who say they hate VIII don't list any reasons, so it makes you wonder how valid their opinion really is when considering it to actually be a good/bad game.

Not saying I disagree about the internet changing the opinions on certain games, but in this case I just don't agree that IX is the popular one.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:57:21 2013 No.450558

>>450523

FFIX is overly hyped online, especially on 4chan. But again, I think that has more to do with the internet mentality of 'hate what's popular, obsess over what's not'. Go into almost any FF thread aside from one dedicated to one game like this one and you'll see plenty of FFIX fans derail it. Just like the Majora's Mask fans derail every Zelda thread.

Outside of the internet however, I agree, FFIX is nowhere near the most popular. But then, outside the internet FFVIII is also liked by tons of people. So go figure.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:57:21 2013 No.450559

>>450450
I agree with this, for the most part. The internet has ruined logical fandom, degenerating it into flame wars and the like. That said, there is also another catalyst to this change. One I can claim affects me as well. We grew up. When we're young everything new was awesome. More importantly, when we mature we started to notice that nostalgia wasn't enough anymore and we would start to see things for what they were. We would notice little things, like a flaw here or there, and they would add up over time. The human ego needs to be placated so we share these observations with others. However, the most efficient form of communicating en masse is also very crowded, so we need to speak louder and therefore we go full retard with it.

But all of this goes back to the collective human mentality that 1.) we are absolutely right and everyone must agree (egotism) or 2.) I need to agree with everyone else because I don't want to be wrong (submission). The internet has exacerbated this mentality to the Nth degree.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:00:52 2013 No.450586

>>450517

>Uh no. He had all of two breakdowns over everything he ever knew being wrong.

....and having any breakdowns sounds rather bad to me. Also, you're overlooking the multiple times Sephiroth appeared and he lost control of his mind. They pretty much used his mental state just to drag out the game endlessly.

>Then after that he keeps up the snarky bits, "Let's Mosey" is from the endgame right around the time he blackscreen fucks Tifa.

Oh, you're one of those guys who just ignores the vast majority of FFVII and Cloud and rely on a handful of cases where he is 'super macho badass' to define his character.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:02:22 2013 No.450601 Tossing my hat in the ring here, anyone who prefers X over VIII is criminal scum. That game was bad, and you should feel bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:03:21 2013 No.450607 >>443785 Had a lot of fun with it at the time, maybe because I didn't went overboard with junction and just let the game flow normally Also spent lots of time with the card game,not to get items from rare cards, just for fun.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:04:22 2013 No.450613

>>450495

Every person has different card sets. You're probably just dueling folks with badass decks. Don't keep a lot of cards, keep the strong ones, like character and GF ones exclusively and you won't have much trouble even with the random rule. I do my best to contain it, and never play in regions where it's common, since they seem to have strong decks there(probably for that exact reason.)

Use cards for magic and item refining instead bro.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:04:22 2013 No.450614

>>450506
This is a good example of a major flaw in the process of game making. Localization is tasked with making a concept understandable by the demographic based on cultural differences. However, not everything translates across languages and cultures so mistranslations can heavily affect the reception and interpretation of games.

This new information concerning Squall makes me want to know exactly how much of this "emo git" personality is the result of bad translation. Maybe he's actually a total badass with conviction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:07:22 2013 No.450634 >>450601 People LIKED X?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:08:52 2013 No.450649 >>450614 From that bit just mentioned it sounds like the unwilling badass hero trope. God I love those.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:10:51 2013 No.450667
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>>450614

Every character in FFVIII has a typical anime stereotype. Squall fits directly into that 'what a pain' type character, much like Shikimaru from Naruto. And ironically, Squalls character pretty much directly correlates to the character Shikimaru goes through in Naruto. He starts of as a passive guy constantly calling everything a pain. But as he grows (in the case of Squall, in character and in the case of Shikumaru, quite literally grows into adulthood), they become much more reliable and some of the strongest characters in the medium they are in.

of course, this doesn't come off well in the western version of FFVIII because Squall is translated poorly into a generic 'I hate life' guy who magically falls in love.

In before bitching over Naruto. But get over it. The story and characters in Kingdom Hearts are even more similar to Naruto.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:12:51 2013 No.450683 >>450634 Its the most popular game in Japan tied with VII. And millions of people in the west like it too. I personally only liked the gameplay and some of the characters. But everything else pretty much sent FF down the road to death.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:13:21 2013 No.450691

>>450634
I see people talking about it all the time on various 4chan boards...I don't want to equate it to an age thing, but I feel like younger peeps whose early FF experience was X really cling to it, and ignore how obnoxious and poop it is. They defend it over VIII routinely. peh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:15:51 2013 No.450706 >>450683 Where's this 'most popular' stat coming from, btw?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:23:21 2013 No.450779

>>450706

Japanese polls. Though currently those polls are skewed with FFXIII being on top because Square is assaulting the world with billions in FFXIII marketing.

But I personally don't understand why FFXIII keeps winning on Japanese polls. It actually sold far less in Japan than the average FF game.

But anyway, after FFXIII, FFVII and X usually top every poll.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:27:52 2013 No.450798 >>450779 Japan has shit taste. What else is new?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:28:22 2013 No.450804 >>450634 Generally the same people who loved 8 and now like the new 13 and up games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:31:51 2013 No.450825 >>450804 >Assuming This is a thread about 8. And 13 has only been brought up now, what does that tell you? I love 8 despite it's flaws and 13 is literally the worst thing to come out the franchise, including X-2.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:32:51 2013 No.450832 >>450825 The only real difference between 8 and the later shitpiles is that it has a worldmap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:34:22 2013 No.450851 >>450832 The four letters after "square" are a very crusial difference.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:36:21 2013 No.450873

>>450683

I found it to be near unplayable. It had some good stuff to it, but every time a character spoke I wanted to punch my TV and shove soldering irons into my ears. The game was very pretty, had some good environments. But the characters....fucking all unlikeable or forgettable. Battle system was cool because you could swap anyone in and out whenever you wanted, which was pretty fucking nifty.

Y'know, I can't even properly tell you why I hate it, because I can name more good things than bad, but holy fuck do I hate X. XII redeemed the shit out of the franchise, but I haven't touched the later ones and I don't plan on it anytime soon. Sadly, XII is the end of FF series in my shit-stained eyes.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:45:51 2013 No.450913

As is the case with a lot of poor games, FFVIII has good ideas but either doesn't realise it or doesn't know what to do with them. In a game full of female antagonists and sexual imagery, the three women in the player party are tragically boring and worthless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:46:51 2013 No.450918 >>450873 It's fine if not but you didn't even like Auron? I thought he was kind of cool.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 15:52:51 2013 No.450964

>>450918
Oh man, Auron. He's halfway into the "trying too hard to create a cool character" territory. He's old, he's tough, he's got a reputation, he fears no authority, he knows everything...his failure and how it affected him comes too late in the story. Until that he's a very static character.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:10:21 2013 No.451086
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>>450832

>The only real difference between 8 and the later shitpiles is that it has a worldmap.

This is completely naive and stupid. FFX and XII have virtually nothing in common with FFVIII besides the use of magic, a guy named Cid and chocobos. FFXIII is the same aside from a few character design similarities and more of a focus on gameplay (linear as it is).

>>450851

>The four letters after "square" are a very crusial difference.

This post is even more naive and stupid. The Enix side of SquareEnix has absolutely no hand in the development of Final Fantasy. Just like the Square side has no hand in the development of Dragon Quest.

And for your information, Enix bailed out Square when it was going bankrupt. And why was it going bankrupt? Because it was focusing 90% of its budget and marketing on Final Fantasy while ignoring all its other major IPs. And what is current day Square doing? Focusing 90% of its budget and marketing behind ONE game, FFXIII.

Stop blaming Enix for killing Square when they did it themselves.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:13:51 2013 No.451105

>>450964

That's because the writers in FF games always fail to focus the game on a good character, opting to focus the game on the loner teenager who is trying to come to grips with their existence.

From Zack in FFVII to Laguna in FFVIII to Auron in FFX to Basch in FFXII, the secondary character from the past is always more interesting than the main character. But is never the main character. All the more reason a FFX sequel should have been about Auron, Jecht and time travel. Instead, we got fucking JPOP idols searching for Tidus, love and peace.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:21:51 2013 No.451173

>>451086
>Because it was focusing 90% of its budget and marketing on Final Fantasy while ignoring all its other major IPs
Wasn´t it because of spirits within?
Also, i'm not explicitly blaming enix since i can´t technically prove they had a bad influence on square, but i find hard to believe the gigantic quality gap between sqsoft and sqenix is a coincidence...

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:38:21 2013 No.451323

>>451173

Spirits Within is part of the Final Fantasy IP. But many of their major IPs died because they focused the majority of their production budgets and marketing on Final Fantasy titles. For example, Parasite Eve and Xenogears were both rushed and lost a lot of marketing to Final Fantasy VIII. Chrono Cross had many of the same developers on its team as FFVIII and IX, but was constantly being pushed to the side because Squaresoft wanted to push out the FF titles. As a result, Chrono Cross was delayed until near the end of the PSX life cycle AND was incomplete. Many other IPs just didn't even get sequels near the end of the Squaresoft life cycle.

>Also, i'm not explicitly blaming enix since i can´t technically prove they had a bad influence on square, but i find hard to believe the gigantic quality gap between sqsoft and sqenix is a coincidence...

Hence why I called you ignorant. And I'm trying to point out their bad business practices (which they are still following today) led to their needing to get a bail out. It didn't just magically happen in 2003 when the companies merged. It was a downward spiral that started far earlier.

Most of the weak games people attribute to Squaresoft losing quality after the merger were in production even before the merger took place. Including FFX-2 and FFXII.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:40:51 2013 No.451338
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Straying from the topic but following some of the above posts, my naive mind will never understand why FFX is so hated (on 4chan, even, because it seems to be praised to high hell both on the rest of the known internet and on real life).
Every single cast member was really colorful and had a clear distinct personality (which can't be said of Irvine, Penelo, Vincent pre-Dirge, you get the idea), story didn't have many twists but by god the few that are there rattled my bowels, scenery and music are Chrono Cross-tier beautiful, loads of post-game content and motherfucking Auron and Jecht.

And yet it's "universally shit" and "downfall of Final Fantasy".

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:45:22 2013 No.451380 >>451338 Meh, I've never played an FF game I didn't like, and I've played em all. I'm not going to let other people ruin my gaming experiences.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:47:51 2013 No.451391

>>451338
It's a case of hipsterism on 4chan and that it shares similarities with XIII. (colorful and whimsical art style, similar OSTs, high linearity, etc) Except people forget that X executed those traits MUCH better than XIII. Also, Toriyama directed X and while the other games he wrote had awful scripts, X is quite good. It's witty at times, concise and is a lot more genuine and human than the clusterfuck that is XIII. But /v/ doesn't realize that X was a fluke and therefore it MUST have been poorly written.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:48:21 2013 No.451392 >>451380 I'm on your same boat, except i couldn't bring myself to like FFII. Currently playing through XIII and really got no problems with it so far (save for Hope's incessant whining).

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:48:21 2013 No.451397 FF8 was my first deception, it wasn't that bad, but still, as a kid I didn't like it and now, I don't really want to replay it, bad memory

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:49:21 2013 No.451403 >>451338 The laugh scene and the underwater make out scene are terrible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:51:51 2013 No.451410 >>451338 I like FFX, the story is interesting, combat is fun, music is great, but the characters are pretty bad. I could only like Yuna, Auron and Jecht. Also it is the most linear FF after XIII.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:54:51 2013 No.451424 >>451410 > I could only like Yuna, Auron and Jecht I dont see a problem with that. I'm not saying that FF games are perfect or without flaws. Just that for me the flaws aren't enough to get in the way of my enjoyment of the game.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:56:51 2013 No.451431
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>>451338

Its not that people hate FFX specifically. FF as a series just brings about major controversy since every game is different. And so with so many hundreds of thousands of people hating each game, eventually it'll seem like a game you like is 'universally hated'. Because there's literally no end to people who want to hate on each FF game. These are the same types of people who hate on games like FFVI just because its popular. Or hate on FFVIII because its popular to hate it.

As I said above, its just the way of the internet. But if you get off the internet, FFX is actually one of the most popular games in the series. If not tied with FFVII for most popular.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:56:51 2013 No.451432

>>451410
I really don't find 'linear' a bad thing if executed well. Yuna and the guardians really had no reason to be dawdling around, since they had a pilgrimage to complete. As for the characters, personal opinion, the only ones i didn't like were Lulu and Kimahri (and even then, more in a 'eh, whatever' way than outright dislike). But i guess i can see why you don't like the others.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:56:51 2013 No.451436 FF8s underrated. It's got flaws, but I think people have amplified those flaws in their heads over the years. Like how Squall's really not that bad. Rinoa's that bad though. But she does at least get called on her shit a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 16:59:51 2013 No.451453 >>451424 I didn't say I didn't enjoy the game, just that I can understand people who don't love FFX. I think it's important that the main characters/party members are likeable, which they just aren't in this game.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:00:21 2013 No.451461
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>>451436

>Rinoa's that bad though. But she does at least get called on her shit a lot.

>mfw I knew a girl in high school who acted and looked exactly like Rinoa
>mfw she was obsessed with Final Fantasy VIII
>mfw I had a huge crush on her for 2 years
>mfw looking back, I dodged a bullet

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:00:51 2013 No.451459 >>451432 Linear did work for FFX (less so for FFXIII), but this is a series where people are used to be able to go some optional areas before going to their next destination, but FFX didn't offer that until very late game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:02:52 2013 No.451478 >>451461 >could have had roleplay sex with a Rinoa cosplayer >dodged a bullet Yeah, ok.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:05:51 2013 No.451503

>>451478

>could have had roleplay sex

Not really. She turned me down and ran around with 'older men'. At least 5 that I knew of in 2 years, probably more. Then came to me and started telling me all her troubles when things went bad.

Once again, the similarities to Rinoa and Squall are eerie. With multiple scenes of Rinoa telling Squall her boy problems and stringing him along for the first 2 disks. The difference is, Squall had plot armor and Rinoa magically fell for him over time. Doesn't work that way in real life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:07:21 2013 No.451512 >>451503 Ah, I see what you mean. My mistake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:08:51 2013 No.451524 >>451503 Eat a dick you pretentious Mary Sue wannabe faggot, you know why you didn't get the girl? because you were a fucking pussy thinking you could emulate a videogame in real life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:10:51 2013 No.451537 >>451524 >Mary Sue You shouldn't use words you don't understand. And I never said I was trying to emulate a videogame. She was the one obsessed with FFVIII, not me. I hadn't even played the game until after I lost contact with her.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 17:19:51 2013 No.451604 File: 32 KB, 640x480, smile_haruka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>451524 You're so smart and cool, I bet you get all the pussy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 18:54:21 2013 No.452402 >>443785 You are not the only one. Not even by a long shot. The internet will tell you otherwise though. But ask people who actually care about games, and you will be pleasantly surprised.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 19:36:51 2013 No.452739 >>451105 Nah it's just a matter of statistics. Their is only one lead male character and like 7 other side characters. One of them is just bound to interest some people more than the main. 12 doesn't count. Vaan can just go die

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 19:38:51 2013 No.452759 >>451524 >putting pussy on a pedestal

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 19:45:52 2013 No.452818 It's my favourite Final Fantasy, one of the best soundtracks in a videogame ever, hands down.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 21:10:52 2013 No.453539 >>452818 Well sort of. It´s kind of like FFXIII style actually but less shitty. You can still boost your stats fighting random enemies but it caps until you get to a new boss

Haken Browning !zHe7DH816A Mon Apr 15 08:57:55 2013 No.457578
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>>453539
To my knowledge there's no such beast as a stat cap, though holding off on leveling until you get the "X Bonus" abilities certainly helps.

Hilariously, while there's certainly nothing stopping you from levelling to 100 prior to the Fire Cavern (save common sense and the encroaching fear of being susceptible to Break/Stop/Level 5 Death), all but two of the bosses stop scaling to your party's average at certain points.

The two that don't are Omega Weapon (always at 100) and round 1 with Raijin on Disc 2 (I guess because the G-Soldiers with him have to scale in kind).

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:27:54 2013 No.457668 >>457578 Was he always Lv. 100? I thought that was only one specific version. Also >that's actually Same but what the hell.jpg Not >whatever Talk about a missed opportunity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:40:25 2013 No.457701 >>457668 Omega is definitely lv.100 in at least the PAL release.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:43:54 2013 No.457712

Final Fantasy 8 fans are so numerous in thinking that they are alone in loving the game, they overshadow and seem to outnumber the fans of the perceived as more popular Final Fantasy 6 and 7, at least on 4chan.

I myself thought the game was a mess both gameplay and plot vise, but enjoyed the high production values and Nobuo Uematsu's arguably most mature score to this day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLwtYlaqWaU

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:44:24 2013 No.457714 >>457701 And I think in all the other version he is scaled just like any other enemy. Could be wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 14:40:25 2013 No.459556 >>457712 Easily. Fisherman's Horizon used to be a sort of adult lullaby. Couldn't sleep without it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 14:46:55 2013 No.459601 >>443785 Picked up FF8 black label for $2 at flea market. Popped in Disc 1 and played for 10 minutes. Ripped that disc out of my beautiful PSX and slammed it back in the case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:01:55 2013 No.459750 >>451403 >2013 >People still don't realize the laugh scene was supposed to be shit It was meant to be awkward and dumb to make Yuna feel better. The game came 12 years ago, how do people still not realize this...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:02:25 2013 No.459760 >>459601 >Ripped that disc out of my beautiful PSX and slammed it back in the case. For some reason I don't believe you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:23:56 2013 No.459947 >>459601 >pls respond

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 15:26:57 2013 No.459969

>>459750
>It was meant to be awkward and dumb to make Yuna feel better. The game came 12 years ago, how do people still not realize this...

Everyone knows it, you retard. You're not smarter than anyone else.

FFX is a game with extremely shitty writing and voice acting. That scene is humiliating to sit through. And yes, the fact that it's a fake, forced laugh is obvious to everyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:21:56 2013 No.460443 >>459760 Believe what? I hated the setting of FF8, could not get into it at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:22:27 2013 No.460450 >>459969 >shitty voice acting Your standards are higher than my sides. It's not stellar, but shitty? Get fucking real.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:23:27 2013 No.460456 >>460443 You gave it ten minutes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:36:56 2013 No.460558 >>460443 >pls spoonfeed

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 16:43:56 2013 No.460609 >>460443 >didn't even leave balamb garden >feels qualified to judge setting of entire game

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 21:46:27 2013 No.462704 >>460443 0/10 The b8 is not gr8.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 23:20:27 2013 No.463539

ok, saw this thread the other day and decided to give this game a shot. Its one of the only FF games I have yet to play. Does this game start off slow or is it just me? I feel like they dump a bunch of shit on you at the begining and I find myself just wanting to go to sleep or look at /vr/ rather than learn about that GF/Junction/card system. Maybe I should just suck it up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 06:01:59 2013 No.465504 >>463539 It starts off slow. Just give it time, it speeds up rather quickly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 10:41:28 2013 No.466365 >>463539 >play ff8 first time years ago >played FFT, 3 4 5 6 9 and 10 before 8 > finally have freedom >fight diablo at the very start >find out i have to draw magic >dropped after end of disc 1

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 10:45:58 2013 No.466384

As an adult I absolutely hate random encounters now. It should be like earthbound or something like your random encounters decrease as your level increases depending on your level compared to the area's monster level.

>play FF9 2 months ago
>end of disc 3
>making my way to the other world
>random battles increase dramatically for no fucking reason.
>dropped.

The only games I play now are FF1 and FF5 solo runs. Games are too easy with random battles. FF5 is a perfect FF since difficulty scales with comprehension.
>ddn't know about freelancer and mime first playthroughs
>never cared for stats, just equiped new weapons and armor no matter what.

I'd play FF8 but the thought of draw and random battles is too unsettling

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 10:50:58 2013 No.466401 File: 1.02 MB, 4000x3568, squall_face.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>443864 >>444082 >Crawlin These wounds

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 10:58:58 2013 No.466430 >>466384 >>466365 Who the fuck uses draw in battles? Aside from the miss-able GFs it's pretty pointless. Card-Refine is the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 10:59:28 2013 No.466434 >>444823 This. Seriously, it's sage advice when you're an oldfag early FF lover trying to appreciate this game.

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 11:08:59 2013 No.466470
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>>443785
The only thing I honestly hate, like straight up born out of hell hate, is the money system.
The fact that you only get paid at intervals depending on what invisible markers you check is frustrating and nonsensical.
If they wanted to make it seem like you get paid for being a SeeD, why not have a 'payment office' you go to in the college, or one in every town after you defeat monsters.

The other thing is that everything kind of falls apart starting on Disc 3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 17:31:30 2013 No.468589 >>443785 I was a huge faggot when I was high school so I loved 7. I really wanted to love 8 and I spent the whole time going "It'll get good now, any minute it'll have to get good!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 17:51:31 2013 No.468737 >>466384 The GF Diablo has an ability that prevents random battles from happening.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:06:22 2013 No.469357 File: 490 KB, 449x401, laughinggirls.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >bothering with 7 or 8

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:13:30 2013 No.469398

Final fantasy 8 was awesome, until I realised you could plow through the game with ease by keeping Squall's health low and switching characters until his limit break appeared. Honestly the combat was so broken it wasn't even funny. Even without the limit break exploit you could pretty much just spam summons anyway and by using the card conversion ability you could get 50 megalixers from the Bahamut card which worked in conjunction with auto-potion making you near invincible.

I don't hate ff8, I don't even dislike it, it was my first ff game and it will always hold a special place in my heart because of that. However looking back it really was an incredibly broken game, almost to an extent that makes it not worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:17:00 2013 No.469427 >>444069 Say what you want about Esthar. This fucking song oh my god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fCa_B_A98I The feelings it creates deep down in the pit of my heart.

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:24:30 2013 No.469479

>>469398

Nigga it ain't broken. Did you miss the part that all SeeD's existence is for is to train to defeat sorceresses? You're supposed to be a broken motherfucker, whose continued GF usage is supposed to rape your brain so your character doesn't a give a shit nor have attachments to people or things from past life.

>still thinking this shit is broken and not working exactly as intended.

Whether you chose to be a god early on or after you find out the reason for SeeD's existence is up to you, I just prefer to get it out of the way early.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:27:00 2013 No.469518 File: 1.46 MB, 320x240, 1358655237551.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Squall's limit break was probably my favorite special attack from an RPG series. I liked it so much as a kid, I remember replicating the motions for the Lionheart.

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:30:30 2013 No.469548

I think FFVIII had some good ideas that were poorly executed. I liked Junctioning and I think scaling levels was an interesting idea, but putting the two together didn't work. One or the other would have been fine, but putting them together encouraged you to actively avoid killing things.

I really liked the ability that let you turn off random encounter. It meshes weirdly with my previous complaint, but I enjoy the idea of being able to turn encounters on and off at will without rendering you too weak to kill bosses.

Balance is messed up too, the aura spell and limit breaks are easy to use and are more than enough to destroy every enemy you meet, especially if you exploit Zell's limit break by just doing the first two attacks over and over. I wish they had given us more incentive to use offensive magic, since between limit breaks, GFs, and spells being tied to your stats, magic didn't seem to be worth much.

As for story, I don't hate it, but some things could have been done better. The biggest thing I would have changed is to just drop the GFs causing memory loss. You could replace it with this without highly impacting the story:

"Hey we all grew up at the same orphanage. Isn't life screwy?"
"No one knows who the Sorceress is because she's so mysterious and also she wears that mask."
Then Squall and Irvine recognize her during the sniper mission but it is kept ambiguous to the player how they know her.
"Anyone want to play basketball? Also, the Sorceress is that chick who raised us."

One clever thing that I do want to comment on, is that you can find information about monsters coming from the moon in the tutorial as soon as you can control the character. I just really enjoy that you can discover a revelation like this so early on if you just read the tutorial like you're suppose to.

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:35:30 2013 No.469579

>>469479
Get the fuck out Motomu Toriyama.

Video games are not movies, movies are movies. If you want to makes movies make movies, stop trying to turn video games into movies. The thing everybody loves or at least used to love about Final Fantasy was exploring the world and scraping every last nook and cranny in an effort to be just powerful enough to take on the game's final challenges but thanks to you and that jack off homo Tetsuya Nomura Final Fantasy is just linear fujoshishit now.

Whether it was intentional or not it is behaviour like this that has geared games towards the casual market and completely abandoned everybody that made these franchises what they are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 16 19:43:30 2013 No.469657 >>469579 >casual market I don't think that existed at the time. Also, that word is totally /v/.

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 20:16:00 2013 No.469949

>>469657
>Also, that word is totally /v/.
Not him but it's a completely apt description of that mentality, regardless of what jackoffs pick it up, and how FF8 was the beginning of the decline of the FF series.
I've played 13 and even 13-2 against my better judgement and as far as difficulty goes they're easy as shit. Even the Secret bosses were made redundant by simply having two/three decent monsters. (and that's ignoring the DLC's that give you incredibly overpowered ones)

Anonymous Tue Apr 16 22:10:30 2013 No.470786

>>469479
>>469398
>Thinking this works on bosses
>Thinking other FFs weren't easy as shit to break
>FF4 hoard elixirs
>Perma full health in every bossfight since you could spam healing+3 endlessly
>FF5
>Grind
>FF6
>Grind, it required much less than 5
>FF7
>Grind but mainly hoard megaelixirs

Anonymous Wed Apr 17 10:27:01 2013 No.475126
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I love how people complain that it's so different from other installments, and then complain about rehashed shit. The series is supposed to change, that's why none of the storylines interconnect apart from a few shitty sequels which nobody cares about. It had a new combat system with the draw, junction, card, refine aspects that was made purposely simple to show how you were the most overpowered mercenary in a school full of overpowered mercenaries designed to kill the end boss.

And people still complaint that it was a stupid system when they couldn't understand it. That's why the later games become such a spoonfeed was due to you lazy assholes not knowing how to play. It gives you fucking tutorials every 10 minutes because they knew you fuckers couldn't understand it.

The idea was that you could play the game however the hell you want, you could card every monster you see, refine them into overpowered items to ensure victory. Or you could play it like a normal RPG. Or you could play a low-level run. Or you could do a no running away run of the game. Or you could do a no deaths/healing/summons or magic run.

But all you complain about is how the game is unbalanced and there isn't much to do in the game, because you're waiting to have a new quest/sidequest/game mechanic/story twist in your face.

The game is not perfect, but it was one of the better RPG's on the playstation. And one of the better Final Fantasy's, including 7.

Anonymous Wed Apr 17 11:16:02 2013 No.475440

>>469579
>If you want to makes movies make movies, stop trying to turn video games into movies. The thing everybody loves or at least used to love about Final Fantasy was exploring the world and scraping every last nook and cranny in an effort to be just powerful enough to take on the game's final challenges

And you are somehow saying that this game is different than that? There's so much shit to explore and collect it's not even funny. OH MY GOD, A VIDEO GAME TRIES TO HAVE (albeit shitty)STORY. IT'S A MOVIE. A MOVIE WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Fucking hell you's a dumb nigga.

>>475126

Thank you for putting this more eloquently than I could, been saying this shit the whole thread and the same bullshit strawman naysayers keep popping up with HURRR IT'S CASUALIZED BULLSHIT WAAAH.

This is a true final fantasy game, through and through to its very core. Ain't perfect, sure, but no badass game is without its flaws.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 17 12:24:02 2013 No.475763 >>470786 >grinding in ff7

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 17 17:32:32 2013 No.478113 >>469518 >Ultima takes a swing at you during the limit break I was too busy looking at the bar to notice all the animations for the different bosses. It would be nice to see limit breaks vary depending on the boss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 17 19:18:02 2013 No.479016 >>478113 There were quite a few unique ones, Elvoret's one really stuck out to me.

Anonymous Wed Apr 17 19:27:33 2013 No.479070

>>443785
FF8 was magical for me. My friend lent me a copy of FF7 months after it came out. I finally scrounged up enough money to buy a used copy of it and it became one of my favorite games ever.

So when FF8 was announced I went into a fanboyish melt down. The graphics blew me away, the trailers eclipsed anything my young mind had ever seen. I was given it as a birthday present 2 months after it launched and it became the only thing I played for months. The story went over my head, and I couldn't quite grasp the junction system, but I didn't care.

It never quite rose to FF7 status for me, but i'll always love the shit out of FF8 for being the first game I had to wait and get hype for. Fuck I love Final Fantasy.

Anonymous Wed Apr 17 19:37:32 2013 No.479125

I started with the FF series with the first back when I was a kid with an NES and have stuck with it ever since (until FFXIII but that is another kettle of fish...).

FF8 is the strongest entry for me. I think a big reason behind that is it has the most coherent and fleshed out world. Everything exists for a reason, locations aren't just bashed together. Different countries and cities have different viewpoints and ideals and either get along (or don't) in a believable fashion. The game doesn't waste time walking you through the entire reasons for how and why things are the way they are - because since Squall and company live there they would already know. Most RPGs (and games in general) really get this wrong. All of the backstory and reasons are there, but you have to dig for them and find them on your own - you don't have random strangers giving you their life story every ten seconds. People act in ways that aren't readily apparent and sometimes the motivation becomes clear and sometimes it doesn't - just like in real life.

The characters are a lot more believable too, note that I'm not saying "realistic", but believable in their setting. Motivations make sense and they honestly don't waste time trying to convince others any different, they just get on with things.

Anonymous Wed Apr 17 21:51:03 2013 No.480020

I loved FFVII, it's actually my favorite FF.
I loved the school days feel from Balamb Garden.
I loved being able to break the game once I learned the Junction system. The system also destroyed grind, except what was needed to refine your cards into magic.

The team felt nice and compact so they didn't have 5 or six people getting sidelined for half the game, instead everyone had multiple parts where they were relevent. There was a lot of explortation and hidden secrets that the player could find.

The only thing I really hated was the constant talk of gray morality and "our enemies aren't evil, they're just on the other side" is undermined by the fact that the other side is under the control of a sorceress that wants to control time and destroy all life.

I still enjoyed other FFs like IX and X, but I would enjoy revisiting the super school setting again, even if it is more like Hogwarts than Balamb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 17 21:55:33 2013 No.480048 >>478113 >mfw Zell's My Final Heaven against Seifer >lolnope

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 01:48:03 2013 No.482076 >>450634 Are you serious? Every single Final fantasy up to FF13 and X-2 were amazing. Yeah, 11 too. I can't believe people hate on any Final fantasy prior to 13. They are all special to me, except for the NES trio. I was too young to ever play those.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 01:52:33 2013 No.482104 >>459969 Thats not the writing you dumb cunt, its the dub.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 02:01:03 2013 No.482164 >>466430 What the hell is card refine? MISSABLE summons? WHAT? I'll start playing today if I get some answers >>468737 Through junction?

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 05:35:34 2013 No.483028

>>482164
There was an ability you learned from the GF Quetzalcoatl that could turn enemies into cards when they were low on health. Then you used his other ability to refine those cards into items.
And not counting story specific summons, there are tons that you have to draw from enemies (all bosses I think) or from a location you never go to through story progression.

Oh, and No-Encounter is brilliant. In any other FF game it would break it beyond measure, in this game it depends on when you feel like beating up enemies or not.

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 05:50:33 2013 No.483063

>>482164

Missables:

Doomtrain against fake mayor(I think)

Siren: from one of your early SeeD missions, that big metal spider thing i think(first time you fight, can't get it after)

Leviathan: that fat fuck that goes FUSHUSHURUHSUHURHURHURHU

Eden: Omega Weapon

Diablos also counts if you never use the lamp thingy from Ifrit.

I think there's a couple more, but I forgot. Fuck I need to play again, just so I can remember this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 05:57:34 2013 No.483089 >>443785 I genuinely loved 8, I thought it was vastly superior to 7, which is disgustingly over-rated. But y'know, that's like, my opinion, man.

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:03:04 2013 No.483115

>>483063

Also:

Odin in his tower thing.

Gilgamesh(get odin before end of disc 3, seifer kills him, and gilgamesh replaces him. They don't do anything for your stats, but they pop in once in awhile to murder everything.)

Giant Cactuar: in one of the southern desert islands.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:12:34 2013 No.483139 >>483063 You actually have two chances to miss those GF. If you miss them the first time, a corresponding boss in the castle will have the GF.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:14:04 2013 No.483141 FUCKING CAFETRIA HOT DOGS GOTTA GET ME SOME.

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:15:04 2013 No.483145 [DELETED]

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>>482164
>>483063
Missable:
01 - Quezacotl - Can get earlier by accessing Squall's computer.
02 - Shiva - Can get earlier by accessing Squall's computer.
04 - Siren - Draw from Elvoret in the Communications Tower.
05 - The Brothers - By defeating them in the Tomb of the Unknown King.
06 - Diablos - Magical Lamp you get from Cid.
07 - Carbuncle - Draw from the Iguions in Deling City.
08 - Leviathan - Draw from NORG in Balamb Garden.
09 - Pandemona - Draw from Fujin in Balamb Town.
10 - Cerberus - Defeat him Galbadian Garden.
11 - Alexander - Draw from Edea during the second fight.
12 - Doomtrain - This is kinda convoluted. Six Remedy+'s, six Steel Pipes, six Malboro Tentacles and the Solomon's Ring.
13 - Bahamut - Defeat him in the Deep Sea Research Facility.
14 - Cactaur - Defeat Jumbo Cactaur on Cactaur Island.
15 - Tonberry King - Defeat 20 Tonberries and then the Tonberry King in Centra Ruins.
16 - Eden - Draw from Ultima Weapon in the Deep Sea Research Facility.
17 - Odin - Defeat him in the Centra Ruins.
18 - Gilgamesh - Get Odin before the end of Disc 3.
19 - Boko - Complete a Chocobo Forest sidequest.
20 - Moomba - Pocketstation. Use the friendship item..
21 - Phoenix - Use a Phoenix Pinion.
22 - Minimog - Pocketstation. Use Mog's Amulet.

No Guardian Force is really missable though because you can get them in Ultimecia Castle from her bosses. Although, if you miss them you're screwed. Except

That's right, you can only get 3 summons in this game. Hope that helped.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:22:04 2013 No.483159 yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:43:04 2013 No.483198 >>449997 Zell is pretty cool guy, he use fist as weapon, and not afraid of Satan in a Jar or Doomtrain. He also eat Hot Dog. Wish could be like him.

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:48:05 2013 No.483212

>>449320
What would have been interesting as a plot point
>plot
is if abusing all of these 'god-avatar' things came back to bite you in the ass later in the story.

And I don't mean the 'lol levelling makes enemies harder' oversight. I mean how much GF usage affected the end of the story and what ending you got, or a D-Counter like BoF or something.

Nope, full-on godmode entire game, no repercussions.
Whatever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:52:34 2013 No.483225 >>483028 So the game is so broken you don't need to play with encounters on? Guess I could just watch the ending of the game. OH Is this the FF with the hour long ending or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 06:55:34 2013 No.483234 >>483145 Holy SHIT that's too many missables to enjoy the game without a guide. Are there any other missable items? I quit FF9 because I'd never have the Excalibur 2 Fuck that game. What were they thnking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:00:04 2013 No.483247 >>483234 As was said at the end, they aren't really missable. >>483225 0/10 >>>v

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:16:34 2013 No.483296

>>483247

I lent one of my friends FF8 over 9 years ago in high school. Another one of my friends that told me to buy it while it was still a greatest hit said the ending was long.
The only memory I have of the game's ending is pre fight, being in some attic.

>make sincere post
>anon rates your post for some reason
>tells you to fuck off
>cant even post correctly
Your age and/or autism is showing mate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:21:04 2013 No.483312 >>449484 >http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/173242351/#173243335 >post made in 2013 nah

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:26:04 2013 No.483328 >>449552 Oh wow so the best way to play is at level 90?

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:26:34 2013 No.483325

>>483296
It seemed like bait, so I treated it as such. However, I probably am mistake, so here's a sincere reply.
No, it doesn't have an hour long ending, 10 to 20 minutes at most. I have no idea what you mean by attic but I don't want to spoil the game for you by describing the location.
And it only turns random encounters off, the ones with screen transition. All the bosses are still there, including unskippable fights against mobs that actually exist in the area, and it doesn't work in some high level areas. If anything, it just means you can turn off enemies when you don't want to have to deal with low level enemies every 5 steps.
Read the thread, the game is broken. It's just so different from the other FF's that people decide to bitch at the freedom the game has by exploiting the shit out of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:26:34 2013 No.483327 File: 127 KB, 400x600, selphieff8-consplay.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Selphie is mai waifu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:27:34 2013 No.483330 >>483325 isn't* Goddammit, I can't type today.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:29:04 2013 No.483336 >>483327 hambeasts ruin everything

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 07:45:34 2013 No.483371 File: 62 KB, 400x600, 1269769899431.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>483336

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 08:08:34 2013 No.483418 >evil witch is gonna destroy the world any second now hey nigga, let's play some cards and make sure to use that rare card i'm missing or we'll be here a while.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 08:13:35 2013 No.483428 >>483418 Hey man, when a game takes 20 seconds or less, there's ALWAYS time to play that shit.The witch can wait a couple minutes goddamnit.

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 08:29:05 2013 No.483451

>>483063
This is wrong.

Siren, is drawn from the winged boss that you fight at the top of the Comm tower, NOT the ATOM X(random numbers).

You receive the lamp to summon Diablo from Headmaster Cid before a Seed Mission, not after beating Ifrit.

Doomtrain is not drawable. You have to collect the items mentioned in the Occult Fan magazines, including the Solomon ring, and then use the ring in the inventory (much like the lamp).

Pandemona is drawn from the battle against Raijin and Fujin in Balamb.

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 09:22:05 2013 No.483610
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Missable:
01 - Quezacotl - Can get earlier by accessing Squall's computer.
02 - Shiva - Can get earlier by accessing Squall's computer.
04 - Siren - Draw from Elvoret in the Communications Tower.
05 - The Brothers - By defeating them in the Tomb of the Unknown King.
06 - Diablos - Defeat him in the Magical Lamp you get from Cid.
07 - Carbuncle - Draw from the Iguions in Deling City.
08 - Leviathan - Draw from NORG in Balamb Garden.
09 - Pandemona - Draw from Fujin in Balamb Town.
10 - Cerberus - Defeat him in Galbadian Garden.
11 - Alexander - Draw from Edea during the second fight.
12 - Doomtrain - This is kinda convoluted. Six Remedy+'s, six Steel Pipes, six Malboro Tentacles and the Solomon's Ring.
13 - Bahamut - Defeat him in the Deep Sea Research Facility.
14 - Cactaur - Defeat Jumbo Cactaur on Cactaur Island.
15 - Tonberry King - Defeat 20 Tonberries and then the Tonberry King in Centra Ruins.
16 - Eden - Draw from Ultima Weapon in the Deep Sea Research Facility.
17 - Odin - Defeat him in the Centra Ruins.
18 - Gilgamesh - Get Odin before the end of Disc 3.
19 - Boko - Use Gysahl Greens in battle. Although kinda useless without a Pocketstation.
20 - Moomba - Pocketstation. Use the friendship item in battle.
21 - Phoenix - Use a Phoenix Pinion in battle.
22 - Minimog - Pocketstation. Use Mog's Amulet on a GF to teach them the Minimog command.

No Guardian Force is really missable though because you can get them in Ultimecia's Castle from her bosses. Although, if you miss them you're screwed.

You only get 3 summons in this game, everything else is optional. Hope that helped.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 09:27:06 2013 No.483634 >>483610 I'm never going to replay this game because of this shit right here. I hate needing a faq

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 09:31:05 2013 No.483654

>>483634
God forbid you play the game normally and just want every collectible the game has to offer with no effort. Is it that hard? people used to jot down puzzles, hints and secrets in note books or draw maps on graph paper. You're just lazy. Hell, copypasta it into notepad and glance at it every 30 minutes. Problem solved.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 09:35:35 2013 No.483665 >>483654 every 30 mins!! dude I just want to play

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 09:36:35 2013 No.483671 >>483665 >pls spoonfeed Then play. Complete the game, and then wonder about those missing spots on the summons menu. Gawd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 10:31:36 2013 No.483898 >>483610 Pretty much just keep draw out on one person and use it once on everything I see? Seems simple enough, although how the hell are you supposed to know that Doomtrain thing? Captcha: square aculen

Anonymous Thu Apr 18 10:41:35 2013 No.483935

>>483634
>draw from everything you see

Bam, there's 75% of them right there. If you really took the time to explore (which in this game is basically, 'Hey let's see what we can find on the sections of the map WITHOUT a dot!') you would likely end up finding the secret GFs because the actual dungeons aren't too complicated. I'll admit that I didn't even know about the last three though, assuming it wasn't some joke that flew over my head.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 11:06:05 2013 No.484069 >>483935 Phoenix was just one of those things I found when replaying. It was such a weird experience. You probably don't know about the pocketstation ones because they were essentially Japanese exclusive, unless you had the PC version.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 12:14:30 2013 No.484375 What do the abbreviations in GIM42N, GMI52A, SAM08G and X-ATM092 mean?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 12:18:01 2013 No.484392 >>484375 I assumed they were always designation numbers. Not sure if they has some hidden meaning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 12:23:00 2013 No.484410 >>484375 >>484392 Galbadian Infantry Mech? Arachnid Tank Mech?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 13:24:30 2013 No.484758 >>484410 Makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 13:48:00 2013 No.484928 >>484410 That just leaves SAM08G, then. ...and that's the anthropomorphic cyborg-lizard looking one, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 18:49:01 2013 No.487005 >>484928 And GMI. Unless that's an Infantry Galbadian Mach.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 18 23:07:02 2013 No.489198 File: 460 KB, 1168x385, siren.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>483451 >Siren

Haken Browning !zHe7DH816A Thu Apr 18 23:55:32 2013 No.489562
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>>489198
>and also

>>484375
>>484392
>>484410
>>484928
>>487005
"GMI" is a misprint; the GIM52A is of the same line as the GIM47N. "X-" for the X-ATM092 might denote prototype status; much as Y- does IRL (for the USAF, at least).

SAM08G might've been an iteration of a Galbadian cyborg lizardman program, for all I care. Let's call that "Sapient Assault Mech" for lack of evident mechanical intelligence.

BGH251F2 (the Missile Base boss), I've no good idea regarding, but it IS a crewed vessel with tank-like applications. Potentially, you could call its line "Battle Group Hauler" or "Battle Group Heavy weapon", etc.

And then there's Mobile Type 8, which looks and behaves too goddamn anime to even be considered of Galbadian origin. Could be a leftover from Adel's Esthar trying to use Pandora, could be a weapon of Garden origin...might've even been loaned/stolen from the future.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 01:54:44 2013 No.490361 Triple Triad was far, far too addictive. I always start up FFVIII intending to do a normal run, but inevitably it devolves into "just one more round of Triple Triad and we'll move on".

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 02:46:14 2013 No.490629 >>490361 Exactly. I have why too much addiction to that game. Before I even leave for Dollet, I need the Quistis and many other level 7 cards, if not every card I could possibly get my hands on.

Cpt. Mad Megane !!HALfgKnx56A Fri Apr 19 02:53:44 2013 No.490658

All this talk about FF8 made me start a new game in over 9 years or so.

Holy shit, I'm having more fun than expected.

This time, I'm having the set goal to get a complete card set by disc 3.

Another goal is to not use any of the ability items on GFs. I appreciate the opportunity for customization, but I'm too anal about those things until I have all GF's or at least see what they all would learn (without guides).

>>489198
>Why for crying out loud does the bar owner in Dollet own the Siren card? That's a bit of an arbitrary decisi-
>His diary in his private room mentions how his wife drowned at see 5 years ago
>his daughter is sitting at the beach griefing over her mother

Oh dear.

And I never knew you could play without rule mixing.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 09:06:44 2013 No.491873
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>>490658
Holy fuck. I always thought that girl on the beach was some sidequest I missed or the game being well fleshed out as usual. I love this game so much, I'm always learning new things about it. Anyone one remember the pigtail girl sidequest with Zell?

Cpt. Mad Megane !!HALfgKnx56A Fri Apr 19 12:50:45 2013 No.492662

>>491873
I didn't until I looked it up again. I have so much to do that, when it comes to cards and magazines, I'm not above using guides. Or rather FF wikia entries.

She is technically part of a sidequest: the artist who creates some of the rare cards sits next to her talking about how he thinks his grandson doesn't like him after said one had painted a cartoon bone into his recent painting. You have to go to the location shown in the painting, where you will find a dog. Examine him to get a little something, which will be a better one if you do this on disc 3. I don't know whether it's the same dog you can shoo away when X-ATM pursues you during the assault on Dollet.

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>>492662
I did know about that one, mainly because it involved chasing the Queen of cards half way around the world just so she can spread random everywhere.

There's just so many different ways of doing things. I didn't know that you could save the dog during the Dollet mission or that you could destroy X-ATM092 on my first playthrough. And your SeeD ranking goes up massively.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 15:42:15 2013 No.493540

>>445268
Unlike the OP's lede, you are actually the only person who loves Tetra Master. Congratulation.

Anyway, I... can't say I genuinely love FF8. I recall being really really mad at it when I was a kid (and this wasn't because of FF7 fanboyism; my favorite was and pretty much still is FF4). I've always hated Rinoa and thought time kompression, of the many evil plans, was probably the dumbest. But I recall actually having fun playing the game--especially doing the ludicrously broken things you could get up to. And I liked Triple Triad (which also could contribute to getting ridiculously broken, imagine that). And I mean, Squall is actually a g sort of. It's not his fault he got stapled to the hellbitch, that was editorial mandate. So I guess I'm sort of ambivalent over FF8. (Also Eyes on Me can bite my bag.)

...at this point I'd consider replaying just to give it a fair shot again, but there's a scratch on my disc 1 and it just will not load past the opening cinematic. Figures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 15:44:15 2013 No.493547 >>446217 ...I don't think I've ever seen that Celes sprite before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 15:47:45 2013 No.493564 >>449540 I know a guy who professes to liking X-2 the most, because it "doesn't take itself seriously," whatever that means.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 15:51:45 2013 No.493581 >>449540 Not my favorite, but is high on my list. I like it because of the Dress sphere system. I also liked the flow of the ATB system. Having your attacks flow into one another felt smooth.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 15:56:15 2013 No.493609

>>449973
I hated Zell and every single character all at the same time in FF8 when I got to the part in the second disc when the rival garden attacks

>SHIT IS GOING CRAZY
>OUR LOSER GARDEN IS NO MATCH FOR THEIR SUPERIOR TRAINED FORCES
>OH GOD CASUALITIES COULD BE THROUGH THE ROOF
>Rinoa derps herself onto a ledge side
>Squall busy trying to make it so that the battle ahead won't be a one-sided slaughter
>Zell: DERPA DERPA SQUALL YOU WON'T GO AND SAVE SOME BITCH WE MET FIVE MINUTES AGO YOU ARE SO HEARTLESS DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT ANYONE BUT YOURSELF

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:03:45 2013 No.493650 What was ultimecia's reasoning for wanting to compr-sorry, kompress time again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:05:46 2013 No.493657 >>493650 to kurse all SeeDs, presumably.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:18:45 2013 No.493745

I wanted so bad to like FF8 because I loved 7. I was excited that it was going to have higher polygon count characters roaming the open world and levels, plus more detailed characters, enemies, and summons. Then this crap came out.

I spent most of the game thinking "any second now, it's going to turn into an awesome game..." The last thing I remember is going to some lunar base and some cutscene where you have to snatch some bitch up in space or something. I had it with the game right about there and went back to playing things that were fun.

>HURRR I'm the best sniper evar
>DERP but I've never shot anyone, now listen to my faggy monologue about how tough it is to be a sniper, even though I'm technically not one because I'm a huge pussy

Wouldn't anyone ever have noticed this asshat has never shot a real target before?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:19:45 2013 No.493751 >>493650 compress time, draw power from all witches from past and present, rule compressed universe pretty retarded

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:21:45 2013 No.493761

>>493745

to be honest the only PSX FF that feels consistent in tone/story is FF9. FF7 flits between super serious moments and pure cartoonish idiocy, and FF8 is just bizarre with a lot of the older elements from FF clashing with the semi-futuristic aspects.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:24:47 2013 No.493781

>>483634
>I hate needing a faq

Except for Doomtrain, Tonberry King, and the Pocketstation stuff, I found everything listed in
>>483610
on my first playthrough without a guide.

It literally can all be found if you follow two pieces of advice: Draw from everything (especially if you see question marks), and explore the entire map. It's not hard.

Now if you want to bitch about missables that are actually easy to miss, lets talk about FFIX.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:25:45 2013 No.493783

>>493761
I was so burned by 8 that I never bothered with 9 and everything since then has looked like J-pop girls with anime hair.

To be fair, I did try to replay 8 again a few years ago and immediately remembered all that I hated about it. I didn't stick with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:26:46 2013 No.493787 >>493745 Martine wanted the mission to fail, he was working with Edea and wanted to discredit NORG. Also Edea was Irvine's adopted mother and he's the only one who remembers that fact.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:27:46 2013 No.493791 >>493783 9 is a pretty refreshing change for the series It's also a very pretty game even today

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:28:46 2013 No.493806 >>493791 I'll keep that in mind the next time I mess a round with PS1 games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:28:46 2013 No.493808 >>443785 >I'm the only one who genuinely loves FF8 That would be nice, but unfortunately not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:32:15 2013 No.493827 Anyone else spent the game thinking Squall's character design would be much cooler if it weren't for the fag length leather jacket?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:42:16 2013 No.493885 http://imgur.com/a/kMSmz

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:46:15 2013 No.493915

>>493827
I certainly would have preferred it to be longer, but I don't trip over it. But I do think that a lot of the complaints about him being "emo" actually are influenced at least in part by his visual design, too, and the midget jacket certainly is a significant part of it.

>>	Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco Fri Apr 19 16:53:45 2013 No.493937 Every Final Fantasy game made before the merger was good. It's just people who were poorfags in the 90's, who could only experience the series through emulation, who developed this "sour grapes" complex about the Playstation games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:59:15 2013 No.493978 File: 119 KB, 800x600, gunblade.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>493808 hohoho

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 17:07:15 2013 No.494029 >>493978 That's a pretty cute black chick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 18:20:45 2013 No.494474 >>493978 All the people hiding their faces in shame.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 19:35:15 2013 No.494958 I always thought it was pretty good, better than ff7 in fact, but worse than ff10. I like how Seifer is almost fat, his gut sticks out quite a bit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:20:15 2013 No.495230 >>494958 He was a realistic rival. Had a dream of sorts that he realized, then dicked about trying to end his rival. Why does everyone forget about all he did at the end? It's always irked me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:12:15 2013 No.495854 >>495230 seifer bros for life, uh... bro.

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