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ITT: Games that people shit on, but aren't as bad as their reputation suggests.

Pic related is a classic example

>> No.442023

>>441995

This game is horrible, have you actually played it?

>> No.442025
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>> No.442029
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442029

>> No.442049

>>442023
It's pretty damned impressive for a game made, in 1982, by one guy in little over a month.

>> No.442060
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>> No.442071

>>442049

Yeah, but it's pretty bad for a game people were expected to pay money for..

>> No.442091
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442091

Unfairly beaten up by Amiga fanboys

>> No.442103

>>442071
I've played it; it's really not much worse than most of the 2600's library.

>> No.442110

>>441995
Somebody should do a remake of that game with a nude Drew Barrymore sprite

>> No.442116
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442116

survival horror action platformer. fun, original game. I can't relate to getting scared from RE games but this game frightened the shit out of me as a kid.

>> No.442131

>>442060
I probably invested 1000+ hours into that game as a kid. the exploration elements just captured my imagination

>> No.442141

>>442116
>I can't relate to getting scared from RE games

You must have nerves of steel

>> No.442143

didn't we have this thread last week? With the EXACT same games posted?

>> No.442148

>>442110
I think you need to go outside

>> No.442154

>>442116
>enter house
>turn
>nothing
>turn
>nothing
>tu
>JASON
>FUCK

>> No.442170

>>442110
>>/b/

>> No.442173

>>442154
>unplug tv
>turn off NES
>throw controller out window
>hide in closet
>await death

>> No.442185

>>442141
No I mean I've never played them

>> No.442192

>>442116
I've been meaning to buy this just because I love the movies so much.

>> No.442193

>>442110
Her character didn't appear in the game to begin with

>> No.442202

>>441995
It's not bad, but it's fucking impossible. That bastard in the orange coat keeps running up and stealing my parts. Even if I try to run away, he still gets me somehow.

Did end up beating it, though.

>> No.442218

>>442110
SHE WAS FUCKING 8 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK

>> No.442237
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442237

Fucking this. It had boatloads of problems, true, but at its core it was a rather decent FPS game after all - mainly in the second and third episodes though. Actually, compared to what passes for an FPS today, this is a goddamn masterpiece.

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>> No.442274

>>442237
If they didn't port it to the Quake II engine and Romero didn't do that stupid ad, it probably would've been loved by many.

>> No.442292

>>442263
Decent game, but
>no You Wa Shock
Talk about a missed opportunity.

>> No.442302
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442302

not sure why people shit on those Wisdom Tree Bible games

>> No.442318

>>442302
Err, because they sucked and were meant to teach ancient Bronze Age fairy tales to children?

>> No.442342
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442342

>> No.442363

>>442342
no

>> No.442602
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>> No.445702

>>442173
http://youtu.be/fQzdTYKTWRo

>> No.445731

>>442342
>>442342

I actually liked this game, in a "omfg wtf lel" way.

>> No.445861

>>442110
Jesus christ what is wrong with you.

>> No.445883

>>442602

Okay, no. No. No. That game is every bit as terrible as everyone says it is.

>> No.445926
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445926

I'm going to get hate for this.

Well, I was like 8 years old when it came out, and really didn't have a concept of a good video game and really didn't give a shit.

>> No.446165

>>442274
>that stupid ad

It really wasn't that bad.

>John Romero's gonna make you his bitch.

WELL I NEVER! YOU HAVE SOME NERVE SIR. I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO INSULTED IN ALL MY LIFE AND YOU SHAN'T GET A SINGLE CENT FROM ME. NO, NOT A ONE. GOOD DAY!

Fuckin' overreact much?

>> No.446191

>>445926

If you'd have posted the first Bubsy on SNES I might have agreed with you that it wasn't all that bad, but nah man. That game is god awful.

>> No.446274
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446274

>>442029
I'm still confused as to how this became a thing.

>> No.446286
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446286

This entire system.

I adore my Saturn. One of my top 5 favorite game consoles, second only to the Dreamcast. And before everyone shouts "SEGAfag!" Yes, I am a bit of a SEGA fanboy. Every system I had when I was younger was SEGA besides my N64.

Regardless of all that, the Saturn truly had some of the best games I've ever played, it had awesome hardware and accessories, and it delivered an awesome overall gaming experience.

Saturn deserves a lot of respect.

>> No.446305

>>445883
But have you actually played it?

>> No.446309
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446309

This game had an AMAZING feel to it, I loved the platforming in it and overall the game felt creepy at the time.

>> No.446453
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>>442049
>>442103
You guys know that's bullshit right? Most games back in the day were cranked out by one or two dudes either in their spare time or in a few weeks of crunch.

If you sit there and tell me ET is as good as Adventure I'll sit here and tell you you don't know shit.

>> No.446468

>>446305

Yes? I own the fucking game. Why the fuck do you think I know it's bad?

>> No.446512

>>446309

People thought that game was bad?

I refuse to believe it, that game was amazing. Especially those snowboarding-like sequences.

I finished that game multiple times.

>> No.446670

>>442060
I still love playing this game. makes for some fun exploring. Bonus if you get a friend to play who's never played it. fun times had

>> No.446730

>>446453
Why is this game so cheap? You can buy a factory sealed one for 20 bucks on amazon.

>> No.446771

>>446730
It was produced like crazy. That game sold a million units. That's a lot for an Atari game.

>> No.446781

>>446771
Shit if only things were like that with nes/snes games. Imagine a world in which people complained that Earthbound with box and manual was being sold for $100.

>> No.446812

>>446781
Well things were different way back in the early days. Adventure was released in like 1979. Atari had the home video game market so cornered at that time it wasn't even funny. Pretty much anything they produced would sell and they knew it. E.T. broke that rule.

>> No.446832

>>442116
This game is legitimately good, in my opinion.

The presentation is sloppy but for everything it has to offer it's an enjoyable experience. If you like games about exploration and figuring things out for yourself, this one is worth playing.
Challenging as hell, too.

>> No.446852

>>446286
I really wish Saturn games and hardware weren't so damn expensive, else I would own one.

>> No.446884

>>446832
It is good. Have you played the original Famicom Splatterhouse game? Fun.

>>446852
It's common enough that you can still find it in the wild though.

>> No.447008
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447008

>game with no positive qualities
>game that killed the vidya industry
>not as bad as its reputation suggests

>> No.447214 [DELETED] 
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447214

JAMES HATES SHITTY GAMES!!!!

>> No.448867

>>446852
Mod chip. Hell, the only reason I own some of the titles that I do are because I had them as a kid. There are just too many titles you have to play. Even some multi-platform games are more enjoyable on Saturn. Dat controller.

>> No.449752

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S35c9igr32M

>> No.449774

>>442049

No, it's not. Regardless there were plenty of other games around at the time that weren't shit.

>> No.449778
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449778

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcqrjcQYo8E

>> No.449781

>>446852

This. Fuck, I want to play Panzer Dragoon Saga

>> No.449808
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449808

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrElD5f3GCE

>> No.449817

>>445926
I mean, it won the Gold X award.

>> No.449829

>>446852
You could get an Action Replay cart and buy imports. Many JP Saturn games are ludicrously cheap compared to the NA ones.

>> No.449852
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449852

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Ivxnpbd5Y

>> No.449861

>>449808
That game fucking rules. It's like zelda with guns.

>> No.449884
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449884

>>449861
Addams Family Values (SNES / Genesis) is even better and more Zelda like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llaOumrnJRU

>> No.449885

>>446165
He didn't say offensive; he said stupid. Which it was.

>> No.449890

>>449852
Man, I have to admit, this game has amazing graphics for an NES title. A bit ahead of its time if you ask me. The game itself is pretty fun, too; I've always enjoyed it.

>> No.449903
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449903

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5dZVJwmn10

>> No.449912

>>449890
Surprisingly, the SNES and Genesis port of it suck, they manage to sound and look worse

>> No.449918
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449918

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgZZwc3lyrY

>> No.449925

>>449852

This game was awesome. I've never played the nes version though. I had the genesis one.

>> No.449929

>>449925
You are missing out, the Genesis version makes a NES game look better in comparison

>> No.449940
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449940

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOJ8Bot1aKk

>> No.449953

>>449918
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgZZwc3lyrY

When has anyone ever said this was a bad game?

>> No.449976

>>449953
Most people see the AVGN review and take him word for word. It may be hard, but at its time of release, it was the most sold third party NES game you could find in stores

>> No.449991
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449991

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyb2sZK9SGc

>> No.450018

>>449929

cool, i'll have to check out the nes version then. >>449976

same thing with simons quest. the agvn even said later on that he was just joking about it, and likes the game and was just trying to be funny. too bad hes forever ruined the games reputation

>> No.450031

>>449976
>Most people see the AVGN review and take him word for word.

Stop with this horse shit. Some people don't like TMNT NES. Stop attributing everyone else's opinions to Youtube reviewers just because you don't like what's being said.

>> No.450034

>>449940

I just really, really don't agree. This game was such a massive letdown after the first CV. I'm glad we deviated from this game back to the CV1 style as fast as humanly possible.

>> No.450042

>>449991
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyb2sZK9SGc

This game is fucking amazing. It is the only NES game that I have the box to.

>> No.450049
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450049

>>441995
It just needed a saving system really badly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JrjR4ZD6rQ

>> No.450061

>>450034
>tfw almost every Castlevania since SotN has been aping Simon's Quest and SotN

>> No.450064

>>450031

This

Holy shit it keeps happening.

And I fucking love the TMNT NES game

>> No.450078

>>450061

Hardly. Those games get direction from Metroid. CV2 isn't really the same thing. CV2 is more like Zelda 2 than anything else, with the dungeons and all.

>> No.450082

>>450061

SotN doesn't have Simon's Quest's horrible problems

Also lets not turn this into a Classicvania vs. Metroidvania fight, both sides have plenty of good games.

>> No.450089
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450089

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjOkXGZMbw

>> No.450108

>>450082

You know, this thread is reminding me that I should try out that CV2 patch that fixes the game. I can't remember everything it did, but it did stop the townsfolk from lying to you.

If I can beat the game without a guide, it will prove Konami really screwed the pooch with their translation.

Of course, that's not to say that it will make CV2 flawless. That game has some issue with castle design, too. Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to have floors with invisible pits every 2 steps? Taking two steps and throwing holy water just to see where to walk is some bullshit.

>> No.450130

>>450108
But why would they stop the townfolk from lying to you when they did in the original Japanese game?

>> No.450137

>>450130

They did that in the original version, too? I had no idea. Damn, Konami, get it together.

Note: I realize I'm talking to a game company 20+ years after the fact.

>> No.450167

>>450137
Some of it is still fault of the Engrish translation

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/587179-castlevania-ii-simons-quest/53607349?page=2

>> No.450197

>>446165
>Defending a stupid ad

No son, it was stupid. Didn't tell you anything about the game, just a tagline that made the developers sound like the kind of people who think they shit gold.

>> No.450250
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450250

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfPxz4CmHvs

>> No.450296

>>449852
I have the NES one, it gets hard quickly, but it's great

>> No.450429
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450429

Maybe it's just nostalgia speaking, and the fact that this was my first 3d action-adventure game.
I know it had it problems like outdated grafics and such, but it only gets judged for not being related to Alundra 1, which is kinda unfair.

>> No.450443

>>442103
I disagree strongly. I had a 2600 back in the day as a kid. ET was the weakest in my collection by far.

At the time I didn't really understand why, I just knew it was more shallow / more boring than my other games. But since the videogame crash has been documented on the internet, I totally see in hindsight how ET (and yes, Pac Man) were notably horrible.

>>446453
This guy is exactly right.

>> No.450448
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450448

>>442302
>Sunday Funday
>Not Menace Beach
Seriously, if you're going to praise a bad game, at least praise the better version of it.

>> No.450473

>>442091
That doesn't look so terrible.

>> No.450498

>>442116
really wasn't bad. i rented it back in the day but could never get too far...not sure if having the instruction book would have helped.

it was an interesting concept though...wouldn't be bad if they fixed some of it

>> No.450510
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>>442237
There are WAY worse FPS than that.

>> No.450526
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450526

>>446191
I honestly don't know why ANY of the Bubsy games, with exception to 3d, get hate. All of the 2d ones are outstanding platformers. People bitch because they're hard games, but they had decent controls, great music and creative levels. I personally rented the shit out of the first two when I was a kid.

>> No.450543
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>>449817

>> No.450569

I agree with ET, mainly because, while it was a bad game, it was not single-handedly responsible for the video game crash like it's hyped up to be. It is a codifier of what was wrong with video games at the time, i.e. too many shitty badly made games to try and make a quick buck, but the market as a whole would have crashed just as much had it not been released, and was already in the process of crashing before it was.

>> No.450615

>>450569
I hope it happens again.

>> No.450651

>>450615

The market is too big for an overall crash of "video games" to occur, in my opinion. Even if every major publisher went bankrupt overnight, you'd be left with a huge glut of professional designers who would more likely than not want to fill the vacuum, and a huge consumer base eager to buy their products. What would be more likely to happen would be the failure of the large publishers like EA and Activision, and even that would be hard to determine to be the cause of market failure rather than the individual failings of the organization.

>> No.450652

>>450526
>decent controls

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>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCzuDNIKua8

The NES version gets a lot of shit for being a bad port of the MSX original but it is still lots of fun

>> No.450697
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450697

Don't know if anyone played pic related.

Not saying it was a brilliant game, but I thought it was a very good game. Unfortunately, it got a LOT of flak for being called a 4X game but not being a Master of Orion clone, which I think is quite unfair.

To be honest though, it's more of a "strategy game set in space" and less of a classic 4X game.

>> No.450724

>>450615

It's not. So stop.

>> No.450731

>>450615
>>450651
Now that digital distribution is taking off, there will always be a video game market, at the very least through PCs, tablets and smartphones. The console market might crash, especially with Sony and Microsoft going full-retard with their latest consoles, but gaming as a whole won't crash again.

>> No.450737
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>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyqeCXZCSGw

>> No.450769

>>450670
agreed. it was considered a classic until Kojima said he didn't like it. I put it with Metroid and Castlevania 2 as the trilogy of NES games that were always considered classics until around 2000 and people just started bandwagon shitting on them unnecessarily

>> No.450850

>>450769
No, with Castlevania 2 we just grew up and stopped being too stupid to notice how bad it really is.

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>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlrSTgkLQh0

>> No.450893
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450893

This this a million times this. It's a good game it just dosen't have the same feel as based star control 2 or the starflight games. But its still quite solid and fun.

>> No.450919

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KHNGEhxOdY
I'm stuck here.

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>>450919
Wrong thread sorry.

>> No.450935
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>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10_Qgm8TiQ

>> No.450940

>>450924
>Not knowing how to delete posts

>> No.450946

>>450769
Ahahaha, no. Are you 10? Did you never play Castlevania 2 when it was current? That thing was a crushing insult right out of the box.

>> No.450951
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450951

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LykyRgCZpAE

>> No.450962

>>450946
34. liked it when it came out, and still like it now. fuck you

>> No.450992
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450992

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfEtYuTaToI

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>>450769
>Shitting on Metroid

What? Why?

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451169

>>442049
Is this the guy that made the E.T. game?

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451202

>>441995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_N7Q4R4crw

>> No.451213

>>450992
Nah, it and Bart vs. The Space Mutants were pretty horrible, kid unfriendly games.
I just played both extensively back then because I was a Simpson fan and an allowance for new, better games didn't come quick or easily in those days.

>> No.451312

>>450250
You must not lurk /vr/, that game seems to be universally loved here.

>> No.451646

>>442237
Daikatana suffered the same fate as DNF. Tons of hype during a long troubled development producing an ok game that gets shit on all the time for being a massive disappointment.

>> No.451694

>>450250
Do people actually have a legitimate reason for hating on that game? The only complaint I ever see when they do is that it plays different from the other games.

>> No.451724

>>451202
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSPJhfdAUDs&t=0m23s

>> No.451726 [DELETED] 

>>450962
>34
>still using 4chan
How sad

>> No.451735

>>446453
I think a month was typical in those days. How long can it take to write 4k of code?

>> No.451740

>>451694
No, that's pretty much it.
It also seems pretty grindy at first, but in reality isn't since you get a full level off every boss.
It's somewhat vague in where to go and what to do, though; but that's part of the exploration that was present in the first one as well, so I don't know what the issue is other than 'it's cool to hate it'.

>> No.451754

>>451740

Something I noticed was that the people nowadays that praise classic titles like Zelda or Mario are maximum casuals. That might be the reason.

>> No.451751

>>450448
Nintendo would probably have nixed that in a licensed game because of potential BDSM implications

>> No.451752

>>450429
I am currently replaying this game
Its still really fun, the puzzles are complex and the world is funny, only downside is the grind in the minigames, like gamar isle

>> No.451772
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451772

My dad had this back in the day. Another shitty rushed Atari port.

>> No.451798

>>442342
preparetobeculturallyenriched.jpg

>> No.451882

>>450569
Also it wasn't a worldwide crash, people should really refer to it as "The north American game crash".

>> No.451946

>>450526
The controls were fine. Bubsy was just way too fucking fast.

>> No.451984
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451984

>>450526
>Bubsy 2
>outstanding platformer

>> No.452006 [DELETED] 

>>451726
why? I had fun when I was young. alot sadder to be wasting your youth on here like you. faggot

>> No.452042

>>451646
But DNF isn't just an "OK" game, it's shit, little more than a Cawadoody reskin.

>> No.452127

>>449918

Why does the music sound like it has been sped up?
I remember it to go slower.

>> No.452261 [DELETED] 

>>452006
It's even sadder when you're an unemployed 30 yo who sits in a basement surrounded by a pile of MLP dolls

>> No.452338 [DELETED] 

>>452261

>all those assumptions
>that shitty attitude

>>>/v/

>> No.452406

>>449991
I dunno man.

I fucking loved that game, honestly it was probably my most played game during the early years. But it's complete shit.

I hate saying that, I wish I felt differently about it. But it's just garrrbaaageee ugh

>> No.452520

>>450526
Bubsy 3D was the best though

>> No.452514
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>>450670
I've got such mixed feelings for this game. I played it a LOT when it came out. Mind, I was too young to really get anything done, but I still put in tons of hours and had fun.

Honestly though, looking back Kojimas complaints are very valid. WTF was Ultra thinking? Was there any sort of excuse or explanation given for why this port turned out so fucked up? I don't know shit when it comes to console tech limitations, but nothing in the MSX MG seemed unreasonable for the NES.

I guess when I think about it, it was a very fun game, but the design flaws just fucking kill it for me.

What's everyone's opinion on pic related?