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4417664 No.4417664 [Reply] [Original]

This is the best Sonic game. Only nostalgia fags hate it.

>> No.4417679

>>4417664
best DLC ever

>> No.4417689

Mania is better.

>> No.4417712

>>4417664
every sonic game is shit so it's not like this is an accomplishment

>> No.4417725

>>4417679
I wish there'd been more lock-on cartridge games

>> No.4418142

>>4417712

Name a better platformer.

>> No.4418167

Sonic 3 is trash. S&K is brilliant. Now we have a generation of rom kiddies who can't separate the two.

>> No.4418249

>>4418167
All Sanic games are trash. Even Nintendo platformers put up more of a challenge.

>> No.4418272

>>4418249

It is pretty challenging sifting through all that rare and nintendo produced shovelware after all.

>> No.4418372

>>4418142
not that anon but I think Super Mario World does fast platformin better than Sonic.

Knuckles does fix a lot of Sonic's issues though. I agree that S&K is the best sonic

>> No.4418398
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4418398

>>4417664
I am inclined to say Mania is better,
but it's the best stand-alone genesis sonic game for sure.

>> No.4418443

>>4418167
hydro was gud cmon

>> No.4418450

>>4418372

How does it do it """better"""?

>> No.4418452

>>4417712
hi arin

>> No.4418456

>>4417725

I hear ya, Anon. Seems like a really unique hardware concept wasted on one solitary game.

>> No.4418461

>>4418167

>Now we have a generation of rom kiddies who can't separate the two.

It's a largely academic and meaningless distinction, Anon. Especially since Sonic 3 was just as good as Sonic and Knuckles.

>> No.4418465

>>4417689

Nah. Mania is merely a good first attempt. Only time will tell if a proper fully-fledged sequel emerges.

I wish them well, at any rate.

>> No.4418484

>>4418450
by being a better game. next question?

>> No.4418486
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4418486

>>4418456
>tfw in some alternative universe S&K started a Genesis trend where all sequels to earlier games have lock-on tech

>> No.4418525

>>4418465
This. The brand-new levels were shit compared to anything from the MD days, and the rehashed levels managed to be worse than their original versions.

>> No.4418589

>>4418450

You can go fast while still being in control. You can also go slow and still have nice and responsive controls.

>> No.4418729 [DELETED] 

>>4417664
Mania is better

>> No.4418735

>Only nostalgia fags hate it.
Is this a new meme?

>> No.4418740

>>4418735
I'm assuming OP thinks everyone is his age (20 or thereabouts), so he thinks people only have nostalgia for the Adventure games and the like.
He doesn't think there's people old enough that are still alive that maybe could have played S&K at release date.

>> No.4418887

>>4417664
>Anonymous
Level design is atrocious

>> No.4419472

Anyone have the knuckles and knuckles pic?

>> No.4419579

You're smoking crack if you think there's a Sonic title better than Sonic CD.

>> No.4419590

>>4419579
>sonic cd
LMAO

>> No.4420689

>>4418525

Nah.

>> No.4420691

>>4417679
True but it is what it is.

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4420980

>>4418486
>Banjo-Kazooie released as a lock-on cart
>endless derision for being one game released for the price of two despite that literally being how S&K came to be

>> No.4421023

>>4420980
>CDs on top of CDs

>> No.4421038

Sonic 3 is the only Sonic game I can say I genuinely like.

>> No.4421104

>>4421023
They could easily have save data bonuses, like Suikoden.

>> No.4421105

>>4418486
Shame the carts themselves were so finicky and expensive, it really was a neat idea.

>> No.4421841

For 2 years that was my "sonic 3" since Sonic 3 was very expensive and you had to order through magazines. Only with Sonic Jam I played Sonic 3 and with & Knuckles that was the best experience. But S&K is pretty good alone, but through the years i started to enjoy S3 zones more

>>4417725
>lock-on Sonic 2 and get & Knuckles
>dont own a copy of Sonic1
>just try Sonic Compilation
>NO WAY! NO WAY! NO WAY!
>blue spheres
Pretty good.

>>4418525
Mania tried too much to please every classic fan. They mixed Sonic 1 platforming+CD vertical design+ speed sections of 3 + slopes from 2 and even gimmicks like the bubbles from Sonic 2 GG/MS, so some zones seem like a long clusterfuck. In fact the game would have been better by dividing through 3 acts each zone


But i do hope, if there is a next one, that they choose more carefuly the path they want, not just "throw everything"

>> No.4422026

>>4421038
That's because you're a filthy casual who couldn't get good with Sonic 1, 2, CD and Adventure 1 & 2.

>> No.4422035

>>4422026
I beat 1 and thought it was ok, same with adventure 1 and 2.
2 an CD I could never get into them.

>> No.4422497

Golf
NES Open Tournament Golf
Mario Golf
Mobile Golf (JA only, so a bit iffy)
Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
Mario Golf: Advance Tour
Mario Golf: World Tour

Everything else with the "Mario" label stuck on it is a cash-in spinoff.

>> No.4422580

>>4418484

>No reasons


I know you failed school, but an argument has these things called reasons.

>> No.4422586

>>4418589

But Sonic does both those things better than mario. Sonic has a vastly superior physics engine. Just because your brain is too slow to keep up has nothing to do with the game.

Try again.

>> No.4422707

Excuse me if I butt into your conversation here...
>>4422586
>But Sonic does both those things better than mario.
Surely you have an argument to back that up.
>Sonic has a vastly superior physics engine.
That’s not an argument, it’s just a baseless subjective statement. At least provide reasons for your position.

Anyways the physics in Sonic games are just more pronounced but in no way “better”. If anything the physics engine is used by the developers to take away a fair bit of your control when you go through Sonic’s “fast” segments i.e. on-rails boosted portions where you either have to not interfere with the ride or know when to jump or hold left/right at the correct times (the latter in particular often requires memorization since you’re frequently just flying through empty space with no hint of what’s off screen), and the excessive momentum based physics brings slower platforming to a janky crawl where it feels like you’re struggling against the game for control of Sonic.

Mario never has this issue at slower speeds and the only time you’re asked to make a leap (or rather plummet) of faith is when you’re flying well above the normal stage, and you’re usually doing that just to find secrets instead of being a normal part of completing a course.
>Just because your brain is too slow to keep up has nothing to do with the game.
Ha, can’t even hold a civil conversation with someone else eh? I guess that’s to be expected.

>> No.4422728

>>4422707
You know, sometimes I looked at skilled players for my favorite games and feel like I'll never be able to get to that level. In times like that, it's nice to know that at least I'm not part of this recent crowd that struggles with Sonic the fucking Hedgehog. I assume it will only be a few more years before Kirby is deemed to be trial-and-error artificially difficult fundamentally flawed game design as well.