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Should I play ゼノギアス?

Is it good?

>> No.4412628

>>4412608
If you like slow text speed, don't mind the shitty dungeon design, and enjoyed episodes 25 and 26 of Neon Genesis Evangelion, then yes, yes you should

>> No.4412650

Decent plot, shitty game.

>> No.4412656

>>4412608

>ゼノギアス

Please go kill yourself.

>> No.4412664

>>4412656
フアーく ユ

>> No.4412676

First CD rocks
Second CD is a storybook

>> No.4412705

>>4412650
More like decent game with a shitty plot.

>> No.4412752

breath of fire iii is a better game

>> No.4413037

It's a deep masterpiece, don't listen to these hipsters bro

>> No.4413225

Just read the LP on lparchive

>>4412628
Note that Evangelion 25 and 26 are only 40 minutes of your life VS a 40 hour game

>> No.4413316

>>4413225
I think he should play it. it's decent. the story is a clusterfuck but it has good ideas (not the religion stuff) that normies are too dumb to pick up on. transhumanism+singularity+kung fu robots

maybe if someone hackd it to remove random batlles that'd be an improvement

>> No.4413332

Good plot, the game play is a pile of shit or mediocre depending how nice you are to bad gameplay

>> No.4413335

>>4413316
From my personal experience. I don't think anyone should play it. If I wanted a clusterfuck of a story I'd advise someone to watch bleach. I think the text speed is the main issue though, when it comes to a story, being unable to read it at your own speed is the worst.

>> No.4413376

>>4412608
Yes. It's kind of an artifact of its time and was too ambitious, but it's still a great game. Do play it in it Japanese if you can because the translation has problems.

>text speed
Use the Gameshark text speed hack.

>"read an LP instead"
Do not do this nephew. The best part of Xenogears is actually the music and playing it while you read is not the same.

>> No.4413391

>>4412608
Shitty game with a shitty plot. Really good soundtrack though (I only played it once, 20 years ago, and didn't like it, and yet I still hum the songs every now and then or play them on youtube).

>> No.4413396

>>4412608
The thing I always say about Xenogears is that about half of it is the greatest jrpg ever made or imagined, and the second half is the worst jrpg that ever actually got made.

It's filled with good ideas like backstory and a huge interstellar timeline and religious factions and science fiction and transmigration. It's got great music and amazing art and sometimes even amazing graphics, the combat system they came up with was fine and and the plot as it was would have been bullet proof if they'd followed the damn script.

But the whole game as it came together ended up being rushed and unfinished and over designed and under achieved, if they had done what they wanted to do that would have been great, but what they actually achieved with all the best ingredients at hand is garbage. The game is best enjoyed if you play it while imagining what the game could have been like or what it might be like if they remade it.

>> No.4413398

>>4412650
Agree. It's got a red-pill element to it.
If you have a love-hate relationship with religion you will enjoy it.

>> No.4413435

>>4412650
You're joking right? The gameplay is the only reason to play it. The plot is a shitty knockoff of the already completely overrated Evangelion that's somehow full of even more preachy bullshit and shits the bed halfway through.

>> No.4413470

>>4413376
>The best part of Xenogears is actually the music
Generic jrpg music is the best part? The music is nothing special. Do you have any idea just how much music is out there? the sheer volume of it makes it just a drop in the bucket.

>> No.4413515

>>4413470
Compared to what?

>> No.4413534

>>4413515
Compared to literally all other music?

>> No.4413539

>>4413470
Not that much of music composed by Masato Kato, actually. Some Xenogears tracks sound right out of Crono Trigger.

>> No.4413541

>>4413534
This is a meaningless statement unless we're discussing counter-examples of superlative music.

>> No.4413551

>>4413435
The Evangelion comparison has never washed. Sure, there are countless topical similarities, but Xenogears at least tries to explain itself, characters have clear motivations, and there aren't many haughty metaphors, whereas Evangelion is just the worst kind of abstruse nonsense, incoherent feelings, and empty symbolism.

>> No.4413570

>>4413551
Most people that played Xenogears are too dumb to understand the plethora of deep and esoteric references that Xenogears has, not to mention its millennia-spanning plot and wide array of fleshed out characters. Comparing Xenogears to NGE is like comparing Lovecraft to Steven King.

>> No.4413574

>>4413570
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Xenogears.

>> No.4413874

>>4412608
Half the board: the plot is good the gameplay sucks
The other half: the gameplay is good the story sucks
Vocal minority: It sucks in every aspect
Silent majority: both the gameplay and story are great

Thing about Xenogears and Eva is I've almost never seen anybody who's said they're just ok, it's either love or hate

>> No.4414090

>>4413874
I like some parts and hate others
Overall it's middling

>> No.4414101

Yea you should OP, it's the second best game ever made.

And just call it Xenogears you fuckin weeb.

>> No.4414294

>>4412608
Better off waiting until this guy finishes his project:

https://almagest712.blogspot.com.au/2017/09/xenogears-script-revision-term.html

>> No.4414727

>>4412664
>fuāku yu
You're supposed to say fakkyū. Next time be sure to finish your anki decks before posting newfag

>> No.4414729

>>4412608
Planescape is the superior VN/RPG.

>> No.4414735

>>4413539
What are you even trying to say at this point?

>>4413541
It's not at all. You could be playing any other jrpg and hear the same music. So this game isn't worth playing for its music.

>> No.4414750

>>4414735
It's meaningless because it's opinion-based.

>> No.4414752
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4414752

>>4413398
>It's got a red-pill element to it.

>> No.4414754

>>4414735
>You could be playing any other jrpg and hear the same music. So this game isn't worth playing for its music.
Disagree, the music were custom crafted for the towns and scenes in this game. It's not the fucking same without context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut-wmZ4Z9oI

>> No.4414756

>>4414735
https://youtu.be/FwVIKUQ__B0

>> No.4414759

>>4414735
all you're doing is expressing a negative viewpoint, you still haven't added anything to the thread

>> No.4414762

>>4414735
>What are you even trying to say at this point?
I'm trying to say that, Masato Kato had a very distinct unique style and after Chrono Cross and Xenogears he pretty much retired. You can play a million other Jrpgs but none will have the Masato Kato feel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RfqB76eHTQ

>> No.4414770

>>4414762
M.Kato was a writer, are you confusing him with Yasunori Mitsuda?

And no, he still composed music after fifth gen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ6ufAOSUhM

>> No.4414775

>>4413225

This. Holy Christ, the LP is the only redeeming feature of that disaster. I'd sooner advise you to play Drakenguard 2 that that abortion.

>> No.4414993

>>4412628
There's a patch that speeds up the text to almost instantaneous:

http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=11638.0

>> No.4415239

phenominal story, ok gameplay. If you value story in games absolutely

>> No.4415272

>>4413570
>>4413574
Goddammit I was about to post that pasta


I think that every gamer should play Xenogears. There isn't anything else like it and its incredible especially for a game made in the late 90's. You will enjoy it.

>> No.4415870

>>4414770
>M.Kato was a writer, are you confusing him with Yasunori Mitsuda?
i really wonder how the fuck that dude managed to mess them up

>> No.4415874

>>4412705
More like shit game with a shit plot

>> No.4415916

>>4413874
>silent "majority" is unanimous praise
that isn't how a majority works in any sense.

>OP
I didn't find anything special about it whatsoever. It was super cool on release for having decent sprites in a 3D environment but it's pretty ugly, LoM is a much prettier sprite-based game if we're sticking to PS1 Squaresoft territory. Back when, Xenogears was hailed "the game FFVII was supposed to be" because 2D art snobs learned that FFVII started out being sprite based and that's what splintered off into Xenogears. It's a way worse game than FFVII. It has some okay looking sprites in 3D environments that look like dookie complete with a camera that pans by itself in really awkward ways, to give you the full experience of suffering motion experience if you don't already.

Obviously I'm not a fan but it's still one of the standout RPGs of that era, it probably wouldn't hurt to give it a try if you're big into that genre.

>> No.4415919

>>4415916
>suffering motion sickness*
oops

>> No.4416267

>>4414754
>Disagree, the music were custom crafted for the towns and scenes in this game.
Just like every other piece of music ever composed? Nothing comes out of thin air.

>It's not the fucking same without context.
Which is why reading the LP while listening to the music gives you said context. I'm not sure what your point is.

>>4414759
>negative
This sort of thought criming is just bad manners.

>>4414750
I never talked about the meaning of things. That's just a subject you'll have to find someone else to talk with

>> No.4416276

>>4416267
you sound like a fun guy

>> No.4416286

>>4416276
Yeah. Keep on thought-criming instead of actually contributing to the topic/conversation. It's the internet after all.

>> No.4416290

>>4414993
There's also a cheat code for it iirc
Which kinda makes it worse because it basically proves that they were capable of putting an option for faster text but just withheld it to make losing to a boss feel as infuriating as possible when you can't skip their enormous monologue

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4416315

>>4416276
How did you know?

>> No.4416334

>>4416315
MOTHERFUCKER
He was still pretty useful as a character, considering the dumb as fuck design.

>> No.4416353

>>4416290
I don't think they had any real reason.

>> No.4416614

>>4414294
I have an extremely strong reason to not do that.

>> No.4418018

>>4412608
Do you like Evangelion?
Do you mind knowing that this game is literally Evangelion but without EoE existing for it?
CD1 is Episodes 1-24
CD2 is Episodes 25-26
Enjoy

>> No.4418021
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>> No.4418023

>>4418018
Wouldn't the Xenogears guidebook kinda qualify as End of Evangelion?

>> No.4418024

>>4418023
No, being a guidebook aka low budget series of pictures with text makes it Ep25/26 tier.

>> No.4418025

>>4418018
Except Evangelion is shit and Xenogears is pretty good.

>> No.4418029

>>4418025
(You)

>> No.4418034

>>4418025
So much truth in this post

>> No.4418060

Good thread to ask this in I think

What's the best way to emulate it on Android? I wanna play it by connecting it to my TV and using the DS4 but every emulator provides problems for me.

PSXe is the only decent one to work OK but I have the problem of not being able to map the Fast forward button. I tried to play with the mapping alot and just failed. I REALLY can't stand the default speed of the game, it's insufferable.

Any way to increase it without opening the menu every time?

>> No.4418070

>>4418060
Buy it off PSN and play it on your Vita, duh

>> No.4418071

>>4418070
No.

>> No.4418072

>>4418071
Buy it off PSN and play it on your PSP then, faggot

>> No.4418073

>>4418072
I specifically said Android. Can you read?

>> No.4418076

>>4418073
Buy it off PSN and play it on your PS3 then, robot-kin

>> No.4418110

>>4418060
the boring answer is retroarch. the real answer is
1) download the ISO and play it on the psp or vita
2) don't be a sissy crying over the text speed

>> No.4418112

It's a very very linear RPG with not much to do at all outside of the main quest. It's basically a slow slog forward through the narrative, nothing else to it. It's interesting, but I can't say I had fun playing it.

>> No.4418141

>>4413515
In fairness, you could compare it to some of it's JRPG peers on the PSX like FF 7-9 and Chrono Cross. Xenogears definitely has pretty generic music compared to them.

>> No.4418164

>>4418141
That was sort of where I was going with my original point before the guy I was talking to got defensive. Like you named the PS1 JRPG titans as far as soundtracks go, but as far as I'm concerned they're all cut from the same cloth (especially with Chrono Cross where they literally are, since Mitsuda did both soundtracks).

He does melodies better than any of his contemporaries, but his arrangements aren't as intricate as those on FFs 7+. This tends to be where the divide among opinions comes from.

Plus the context is key, I listen to a few XG songs outside of the game, but the ineffable emotional component is essential to the experience.

>> No.4418207

>>4418076
That does not solve the problem of the text speed unfortunately.

>>4418110
I tried Retroarch for Android and while it worked I couldn't find a way to fast forward using ReARMed Core. If I missed something i'd be glad if you could point me.

I don't use my PSP anymore for the same reason I won't pull my PSOne out of the closet, please stop suggesting I play on inferior hardware that can't force accelerate, that defeats the purpose of me emulating it, friend.

And I won't stop being a "sissy" about it because it's genuinely horrible and I don't intend to suffer through it even thou I enjoy the game.

ePSXe and FPSe both have the framelimit disabler in-menu but trying to map it fails every time with a DS4. I didn't try the JoyCons of the Switch yet but I don't think i'll fare better.

All I wanted was for my phone to be useful for the express purpose of why I bought it :(

Worst case scenario I still have a PC but I really want to make this shit work.

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4418214

yeah it's good.

it'll give you an existential crisis. hard to understand. good plot. 2nd disc--they ran out of money, so they had to just info dump you...cut content. there's plenty of gameplay to make it worthwhile though. i think square was being more than fair with budget and time.

unfortunately, the following games in the xenosaga series--utter trash. don't bother.

fei always has derp face.

>> No.4418219

oh, watch out. there are a couple places where you can fuck up your save. i might consider using a guide.

>> No.4418505

>>4418219
I don't remember any such situations. What do you mean?

>> No.4418513

>>4412608
No. It's a mess, it's unfinished. The writing makes zero sense (unless you read about half a dozen external sources).
The story does a complete 180 when you hit disc 2 and by that stage they had run out of money so they just threw the script into a really unpolished animated storyboard with zero editing.
>>4413037
>deep
What are you? 16?

>> No.4418515

>>4418505
Saving before the Thames' boss battle and before fighting Opiomorph, to name a couple.

>> No.4418532

>>4418515
Even if you neglect to repair and upgrade your mechs at any chance, you can just do as I and make a dozen save files. Using a guide for this game is silly.

>> No.4418594

>>4418513
it's not that bad, it's just really complex. everything is in the game, you just don't pick up on it all before the end.

>> No.4418597

>>4418513
>>4418594
in typical japanese fashion there's a lot of implied shit.

>> No.4418618

>>4413376
>Use the Gameshark text speed hack.
Absolutely essential.

>> No.4418619
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4418619

>>4412608
Why would you write this gook gibberish as if anyone knew what you were saying

>> No.4418620

>>4418619
>he can't read at least kana
the absolute state of cucked EOPs

>> No.4418623

>>4418619
Racist but plays jap games. Retard logic.

>> No.4418637

>>4418623

Both of them are special kinds of retarded, what are you talking about?

>> No.4418649
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4418649

>>4418623
Hitler loved nips, retard
>>4418620
not weebs though

>> No.4418657

>>4418649
Hurler was a total week, took a photo wearing a kimono and everything.

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4418661

Chu-Chu is best waifu.

>> No.4419069

Picked this up recently and the text scrolling is so slow it's unplayable. I have no idea why they thought that was acceptable in the late 90s.

>> No.4419367

>>4419069
last played it in 2012 on the original playstation just fine. you're just a pampered babby.

>> No.4419446

>>4413398
>If you have a love-hate relationship with religion you will enjoy it.
That's every JRPG ever.

>> No.4419449

>>4418649
>Hitler loved nips, retard
And? Do every racist has to follow Hitler's opinions?

>> No.4420343

>>4419367
I wish I could read that slow without snapping the disc in half but I just can't. By 1998 we were deep enough into the JRPG game that there was no excuse for that speed of scrolling. Selecting text speed was a standard from the gen before it.

>> No.4420352

>>4412608
Yes. If you have the patience, it is revelatory. You are a Lamb to those above you in Shevat.
Mayhap this game got underfunded due to its message...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOjm9I_-Psw
the 90's were the golden era for -------------------------

>> No.4420424

>>4420343
i think you need a fidget toy to keep yourself busy

>> No.4421109

>>4420424
I'm sorry I can read faster than you, anon. It's nothing to be proud of on my part considering I'm obviously not in the minority if you see no problem with the text scrolling speed in this game though. Enjoy your dimestore Evangelion JRPG though!

>> No.4421225

>>4421109
I want to call you a faggot because I have enough patience to not care about the text speed but I'm only slightly more patient considering the unskippable messages ruined Cosmology of Kyoto for me so yeah.

>> No.4423286

Why hasn't there been a patch that fixes the translation?

>> No.4423294

>>4423286
There's more moving parts than you think there are. You need someone who is fluent in Japanese on at least a reasonably professional level, has some basic technical knowledge (as far as how to edit games files), a lot of free time on their hands, and enough passion for the project that they don't get bored a tenth of the way through it.

Plus, with every generation of games this becomes more technically complicated. There's tons of SNES romhacks but fewer PS1 ones, and even fewer PS2, etc.

>> No.4423304

>>4421109
>>4421225
Now kiss