It is literally 90% vents. The last boss is a ballsack. People like it for some reason.

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Anonymous Sun Nov 19 02:46:45 2017 No.4407543 [Reply] [Original]

It is literally 90% vents. The last boss is a ballsack. People like it for some reason.

Anonymous Sun Nov 19 02:50:20 2017 No.4407550

Well the reason that I like it is... Umm... Well actually you have good fucking point. It's not 90% vents more so like 40/35%. Altho yes the big Headhumper with a ballsack is genius, I love it. And also, Headhumpers in vents. Fuck 'em man, they scared the fuck out of me on the first playthrough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 02:53:10 2017 No.4407554 >it's another "I'll get so many upvotes for shitting on a popular game on /vr/" thread

Anonymous Sun Nov 19 04:18:24 2017 No.4407661

>>4407543

They like it because it had the best scripted events on the FPS market at that time. Now that every AAA shooter does the same thing but better, you'd need nostalgia to still appreciate it like we did back in the day.

Unfortunately it's not really as good as a lot of the other classic '90s FPS games on a mechanical level. Tons of hitscan enemies, guns with bad bullet spread, lots of platforming, and the story doesn't have a conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 04:21:26 2017 No.4407670 >>4407543 Things that aren't true thread? Things that aren't true thread. Megaman was supposed to be red but they ran out of red pixels thanks to Cutman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 04:32:24 2017 No.4407684 >>4407543 I liked it even as a fag who usually doesn't play older games. blatant bait thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 04:37:58 2017 No.4407694 >>4407554 he's right tho its really overrated and basically derailed the fps genre into endless garbage territory for like a solid 10 years

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 06:40:14 2017 No.4407841 >>4407661 >Now that every AAA shooter does the same thing but better they don't

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 08:24:28 2017 No.4407949 >>4407543 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 18:44:13 2017 No.4408959 File: 129 KB, 780x580, Hl_nihilanthcrystal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4407543 >The last boss is a ballsack. you're thinking of big momma or shub niggurathin quake the final boss in half life was a giant cuthlulu baby

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 18:45:57 2017 No.4408964 >>4407694 Nah, Halo did that

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 19 18:50:27 2017 No.4408976 File: 801 KB, 1600x1158, Gordon Freeman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The best thing to say about Half-Life is that the biggest complaint people can say about it is that it's really good at world-building and setting.

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 00:29:31 2017 No.4409490

>>4407543

It's not 90% vents you dummy. That's exaggeration.

gunplay beefy as fuck
AI is intelligent
God-tier 90s American military-industrial atmosphere, THE quintessential game in that category.
Engine was fucking phenomenal for it's day and the mod-scene was literally the greatest at the time.

I pity you if you don't enjoy hl1 and weren't around for it's release.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 00:41:52 2017 No.4409505 >>4407543 >People like it for some reason. maybe because it brought upon the Multiplayer Golden age

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 01:05:05 2017 No.4409539

>>4409490
disagree with the gunplay. the way the enemies squirm around makes their hurtboxes weirdly unpredictable. not very satisfying to fight with compared to Doom or Half-Life 2. plus the hitscan enemies are stupidly unfun on hard mode, makes encounters bouts of AI exploiting rather than fun fast aggression. corner-hugging is not my idea of a good design.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 02:23:15 2017 No.4409641 >>4409539 HL2 has terrible gunplay. All the guns are weak ass shit and enemies are boring to fight. It also was the game responsible for killing the genre. HL may be overrated, but it was a fun game and everything felt solid.

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 02:34:57 2017 No.4409665

>>4409641
the only guns that feel weak are the ones that are intentionally meant to be wimpy: the pistol, the smg, and the crowbar. their ammo is plentiful. you are meant to either use them to harass enemies at long range to save ammo of better weapons, or as emergency backups at close range. on hard mode, one can play primarily with the very satisfying weapons, shotgun, ar2, revolver, crossbow, nades, and rpg, without being forced to use the smg or pistol. the only people who complain about the smg are people who need to git gud. I wasn't even particularily ammo-frugal the last time I played. barely used the gravity gun.

i don't think i genuinely need to explain why the primary weapons of hl2 are satisfying. i think you're just brooding when you group them into your empty generalization.

"the enemies are boring to fight" you can elaborate on this, if you can, but the only thing I'll presently admit is the zombies are pretty boring and simple. I just sprint past ravenholm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 02:36:29 2017 No.4409668 >>4409665 Wimpy sound effects, no kick, enemies react poorly to being shot.

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 02:58:56 2017 No.4409701

>>4409668
your concept of elaboration is pretty pathetic. you're not giving me any actual arguments to bring counterpoints to, just lazy opinions that are without illustration.
>wimpy sound effects, no kick
the hl2 weapon sound design, obviously excluding the previously discussed intentionally (delightfully) cheap sounding pistol and smg, is full of pounding whumps, whirring thunks, and drum rattle rapid fire, without getting excessive or exhaustive. the sound design is good like half-life 1. half-life 2 is just a bit more thoughtful.
>enemies react poorly to being shot.
they pirouette like a ballerina softball being drop-kicked by hulk hogan. they honest to god backflip when you land that crisp midair double-barrel headshot. this is a lot more satisfying than the random pain spasms of hl1 and instantly and clearly marks when an enemy is no longer a threat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 05:25:07 2017 No.4409895 >>4407949 Most of the things people give Half-Life credit for was actually done first by Goldeneye. Only exception was the continuous level design which Quake 2 already did too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 13:23:12 2017 No.4410491 >>4407543 The shotgun was sexy as fuck and so was the SMG if you used the grenade launcher on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 13:34:22 2017 No.4410523 I want to play a FPS as immersive as HL but I can't find one

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 13:46:50 2017 No.4410546

I'm at the Lambda complex and got real fucking bored, and now I can stop falling a floor I can't get up while radiations kill me. Pls help.

Also IMO outdoors scenarios could have had more sense of scale, and environments in general lacked some fun interactive details like the start of the game. Duke3D was chockfull of them.

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 14:39:30 2017 No.4410625

I liked it at the time because it was very innovative design-wise, few other games took you on such a well-scripted action ride.

I still enjoy it today because it is just a well designed game. I played through it again for the first time since the 90's recently, and I was surprised at how enjoyable it was.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 14:40:32 2017 No.4410630 >>4410625 Though I'm not one of those "it is the best game ever!" dudes, there are plenty of games I like more than HL, the main part of fun with HL for me was the mods.

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 14:43:35 2017 No.4410638

>>4409539

This is just objectively wrong. Are you playing original HL or one of the bastardized versions? I saw my friend play one of the new versions with 'better' graphics, and it played very differently, the soldiers were sniper death machines which they are not in the proper version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 14:45:05 2017 No.4410643 >>4409665 HL2 just is not very good. It is a slightly above average FPS, nothing more (even at the time, reviewer hyperbole aside).

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 14:49:08 2017 No.4410649

>>4409895

Anyone who is ~30 and played all those games when they were new knows that you are making false arguments.

Nobody is saying that HL was the first to do X, but it did X so much better than the current competition and previous efforts. The only other game that even had a chance to compete with HL around that time was Unreal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 14:51:40 2017 No.4410658 File: 92 KB, 557x495, 1506068488381.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It did a very good job of giving worldbuilding without a bunch of totally forgettable, stereotyped "we're so whacky!" characters which is what so many do these days.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 15:11:17 2017 No.4410689 >>4407694 >Not realizing that all games are terrible and you shouldn't play them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 15:14:35 2017 No.4410697 >>4408959 Do you actually think he even played it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 15:32:00 2017 No.4410740 not a ballsack goddammit, he's a LITTLE BABBY BOY

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 15:48:30 2017 No.4410772 >>4410638 You mean Black Mesa? Yeah that fucks with a lot of the enemies in a bad way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 15:57:12 2017 No.4410792 >>4407684 Because it is a game that started modern trends that you know and love. And also ruined gaming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 15:58:41 2017 No.4410795 >>4408964 Halo was not a scripted corridor shooter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 16:00:06 2017 No.4410798 >>4409490 It was built on modified Quake 1 engine, when Quake 2 was already released.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 16:35:10 2017 No.4410895 I like it because it has very comfy graphics and atmosphere. I guess it's the engine, it's comfy as fuck, eventhough it's a bit cartoonish

Anonymous Mon Nov 20 17:01:27 2017 No.4410929

>>4410895
The textures are probably the worst from that era though. Just ultra-low res and blurry as fuck grey rectangles. Walls, ceiling, floor all look the same, just different shades of grey. Yuck.

It's especially bewildering since the game was 16-bit color and had basically no palette restrictions, each individual texture could use its own palette of 256 colors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 17:04:29 2017 No.4410932 >>4410929 no they weren't HL made good use of randomized tiling textures as well

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 20 18:17:35 2017 No.4411041 >>4410929 HL makes heavy usage of goraud colored lighting, that's how it keeps the graphics fresh. Tonally and tematically, the game is very reminiscent of the first MGS which is a good thing in my book.

Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:04:52 2017 No.4411894

>>4407543
It was a situation similar to doom.
>It had a different approach to storytelling than most shooters at the time
>Had pretty revolutionary scripted sequences
>Fun gameplay
>Loads of variation in the places you go to (No it's not 90% vents, no matter how hard people meme it to be)
>And it was extremely moddable with support for modders from the devs.
It's just a good game, didn't age that well, but it's still good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:08:02 2017 No.4411896 >>4410795 Are you sure we played the same Halo? >The Library >Recycling old level structure by making the player go through it again but in reverse

Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:11:13 2017 No.4411904

>>4410798
Yeah, the issue is that the game started development way back when Quake 1 was only available, they scrapped that version but reused large chunks of the code they had. Do you even understand what it takes to make a game? It would be a pain in the ass to literally rework their engine from the ground up when they already had a working one, and also a deadline which they already delayed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:12:05 2017 No.4411905 >>4411896 The library is infamous because it was such a monotonous departure from the rest of the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:13:38 2017 No.4411907 >>4411905 But does Half life have an equivalent of that level? It doesn't, which is why it is a better game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:15:36 2017 No.4411909 >>4407543 >It is literally 90% vents You're thinking of Deus Ex.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:17:11 2017 No.4411910 File: 37 KB, 600x480, you_are_wrong.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4411909

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 05:18:35 2017 No.4411913 File: 220 KB, 1920x1080, DXMAP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4411909 epic meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 18:48:53 2017 No.4413036 File: 71 KB, 645x773, 1510703314524.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4410795 >>4409668 >>4407543 >>4410792 >Halo is somehow better and more "retro" than Half Life 1 Who the fuck let these /v/tards in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 23:04:12 2017 No.4413481 >>4409490 >gunplay beefy as fuck pew pew pew.... no. >AI is intelligent >runs into walls, stares at you while doing nothing, yells what's doing. No. The engine was buggy as fuck for it's day and it's mod-scene was meh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 23:21:49 2017 No.4413505 >>4409668 The sounds of the guns in HL2 were way better than HL1 by far. Other than some nice shader effects that's about the only thing HL2 did right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 21 23:49:00 2017 No.4413542 File: 502 KB, 1280x960, ASuRHWg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4411913 Luckily we can do this with Half-Life too

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 01:58:15 2017 No.4413703

>1992: Wolf3D
>1993: Doom
>1994: Doom 2, ROTT, Heretic
>1995: Hexen, Marathon 2, Star Wars Dark Forces
>1996: Quake, Duke3D, Strife
>1997: Shadow Warrior, Blood, Goldeneye, Quake 2, Hexen 2, Turok, Redneck Rampage, Doom 64
play all these games and then Half Life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 02:58:41 2017 No.4413768 >>4413703 >you want to play this one game? well first you have to play all these Doom clones Lol not at all. Also, you forgot Unreal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 04:45:25 2017 No.4413862 >>4413768 Goldeneye wasn’t a Doom clone though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 05:37:33 2017 No.4413920 File: 39 KB, 350x421, 4L_iUPG3zRD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Also, Opposing Force was an amazing expansion on an already great game

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 07:19:12 2017 No.4414010 >>4407543 It has better gun mechanics than any game after it. /shrug

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:26:09 2017 No.4414479 >>4413920 This The only good game Gearbox ever made.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:26:40 2017 No.4414480 >>4407543 shit level design

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:27:29 2017 No.4414483 >>4414479 I miss the days when all Gearbox made were Half Life ports and expansions

Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:29:05 2017 No.4414485

>>4414480
in comparison to Doom's endless corridors and stupidly hidden doors it's a godsend.

>Lol you better hit USE on every wall on you'll never finish the level!!!

At least in Half Life it's possible to get through the whole game without having to be autistic about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:32:28 2017 No.4414491 >>4414485 t. never actually played Doom Name one Doom level that require an unmarked secret door to complete

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:33:18 2017 No.4414492 >>4414491 I know there's at least one in Plutonia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:37:26 2017 No.4414503 >>4414492 Too vague. Name the particular map or you're a bullshitter

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 13:50:46 2017 No.4414524 >>4414492 that wad wasn't made by id, it was just licensed by them, i don't think theres a place where you NEED to find a unmarked door in official doom games, those are usually just for secrets .

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 22 16:19:54 2017 No.4414746 >>4410772 Don't forget needing to crouchjump to get over a curb.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:39:45 2017 No.4415505 >>4414485 >this is the state of /vr/ now Jesus fucking christ

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:52:25 2017 No.4415517 >>4409490 >gunplay beefy as fuck gunplay was disgusting i don't even know what the mp5 is supposed to be it doesn't even hit anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:57:42 2017 No.4415525 >>4411905 You have to go through the entire snow canyon part twice as well. And isn't the last level the first level but in ruins?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 01:59:03 2017 No.4415527 >>4411913 >defends game with screencap of a mod

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 02:36:08 2017 No.4415584 >>4415517 It's an SMG, not an assault rifle you goober. At close range it absolutely destroys even the military guys.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 06:04:34 2017 No.4415823 >>4407670 >Megaman was supposed to be red but they ran out of red pixels thanks to Cutman. you made me smile

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 06:37:59 2017 No.4415845 File: 7 KB, 256x224, Super_Metroid_title.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It is literally 90% underground caverns. The last boss is a chicken. People like it for some reason

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 06:55:51 2017 No.4415858 >>4407543 Polish, great mechanics. Still feels better than most modern shooters.

Anonymous Thu Nov 23 09:20:36 2017 No.4415970

>>4415525
Like >>4411896 said, you go through every area twice. After a certain point, you essentially start backtracking through the entire game.

Each area in Halo didn't have much variety, either. You'd see the same identical corridor over and over and over again in every chapter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 23:05:06 2017 No.4417281 >>4407543 Most overrated hipster game bar none. If this is your favorite FPS game of all time, you're literally hipster and don't know shit about video games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 23:08:55 2017 No.4417289 >>4417281 >hipster

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 23 23:17:24 2017 No.4417296 >>4417281 disliking the most popular fps of 1998 makes you the hipster learn english

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 00:37:51 2017 No.4417386 >>4417296 >disliking the most popular fps of 1998 makes you the hipster No one said they disliked Quake.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 00:41:05 2017 No.4417390

>>4408976
>is that the biggest complaint people can say about it is that it's
a buggy unbalanced piece of shit with bad AI and fucking horrifically bad netcode for multiplayer and developed by one of the scummiest developers in history that destroyed PC gaming.

That's a weird thing to call the best thing to say about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 00:43:59 2017 No.4417395 >>4417386 Oh boy, you're intentionally retarded, too. You sure showed us.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 00:50:04 2017 No.4417402

>>4417395
Half-Life came out in November 1998. It had one and a half months to become the most popular FPS which was hard because basically no one really gave a shit until CS anyway and never really talked about until ironically hipster newfags these days trying to reinvent history. Multiplayer was barren, everyone was so/so on the singleplayer and it didn't help that it was so buggy that it for many people it would even crash on install let alone a shit ton of problems until much later after absurd amounts of patches to make it playable.

So guess how much I care about your know nothing opinion? Just don't bother responding with it, because the answer is I don't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 00:55:12 2017 No.4417406 >>4410546 >fun interactive details like the start of the game My favorite one was setting the microwave on high and making the casserole explode.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 00:59:19 2017 No.4417409 >>4417402 >So guess how much I care about your know nothing opinion? An absolute shitload, same as anyone pretending to be retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 01:11:12 2017 No.4417416 >>4417402 I would go to LAN parties with high end machines in the late 90's. This entire post is either bullshit or European.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 01:22:27 2017 No.4417435 >>4417416 Which is why HL was so popular that they ditched the original entirely and replaced it with CS boxes in retail which most people didn't even originally know it came with Half-Life. Much trust in that brand popularity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:16:37 2017 No.4417491 Yeah the game was overrated and was probably partially popular because the protagonist was some near-mute "bad-ass" glasses-wearing autist which the audience identified with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 02:29:09 2017 No.4417506 The big question now is if Half-Life is a bad or mediocre game, what is a good FPS?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:02:36 2017 No.4417576 >>4407554 This

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:16:40 2017 No.4417583
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It's all about that wonderful engine. Back at the time, I hated the campaign, it was SO boring, I wanted to shoot at humans but there was almost no human enemies at all.

There had to be some way to put that meaty, solid shooting experience the way players wanted it to be. It turned out to be counter-strike.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:18:57 2017 No.4417590 >>4413703 Quake's campaign is WAY, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Half-Life's, bro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:24:40 2017 No.4417594 It's kind of beenosy over the years, but at the time people loved half life because of its engine and awesome mods. There were tons of great ones

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:41:41 2017 No.4417602 >>4417506 Goldeneye

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 04:46:57 2017 No.4417606 Boggles my mind that a lot of people consider HL a gold standard of single player FPS when Unreal exists. Only explanation is they having extremely shit taste or not having played other FPSes.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 05:22:55 2017 No.4417635

Jesus Christ, for a moment I thought I was on /v/, I have never seen such a concentration of bad taste and contrarianism on this board. Everyone with this shit taste on games should have their PCs confiscated and given to poor kids. They don't belong on PC gaming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 05:55:26 2017 No.4417661 File: 44 KB, 640x480, Arch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4417590 Agree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRgKLhG0R-I

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 05:56:30 2017 No.4417663 File: 10 KB, 250x201, Gonarch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4407543 This is probably bait, but the ball sack boss is the Gonarch and is not the last. >>4408959 This exactly. >>4410697 No, probably not, hence this is probably bait.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 08:58:24 2017 No.4417810 File: 12 KB, 219x219, 1511160404741.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] im making a game but Im far too autistic to talk about it in any form of detail just yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:06:42 2017 No.4417813 >>4414480 Except it's the best in the genre though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:07:45 2017 No.4417814 >>4407543 So you never played the game huh?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:17:32 2017 No.4417819 >>4417661 >>4417590 doombabbys actually believe this. Just got through with the first episode of Quake. It's fucking shit. Quake 2 looks better in every way, but isn't worth dealing with Yamagi Quake to play.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:35:12 2017 No.4417834 File: 113 KB, 639x469, quake.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4417819 Quake II is an abomination desu. Its not even supposed to be a sequel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:38:17 2017 No.4417839 >>4417834 Marketing has not a goddamn thing to do with the actual quality of a game.

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:55:45 2017 No.4417853

>>4417839

Quake II is a generic "modern" first person shooter that is slow and boring with shitty level design and non existent difficulty. Quake has amazing atmosphere, arguably better weapons, unique enemies, and great level design. Not to mention the hundreds of mods and graphical enhancements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4wFeYmPqaQ

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:57:54 2017 No.4417856 >>4417853 Watch in 720p

Anonymous Fri Nov 24 09:58:58 2017 No.4417859

>>4417853
>Quake is a generic "modern" first person shooter that is slow and boring with shitty level design and non existent difficulty. Doom has amazing atmosphere, arguably better weapons, unique enemies, and great level design. Not to mention the hundreds of mods and graphical enhancements.

ftfy

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 10:00:02 2017 No.4417862 >>4417859 Both are better than Quake II

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 10:02:02 2017 No.4417865 >>4417856 I watched it in 1080p, the fuck you gonna do?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 10:03:58 2017 No.4417873 >>4417865 even better

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 10:06:06 2017 No.4417879 >>4417862 Couldn't say how Quake II compares to Doom. But I don't even like Doom and think it kicks the shit out of Quake. I think you need to go back to your arena shooter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 10:09:22 2017 No.4417889 File: 41 KB, 396x382, 1511536162043.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4417879 >Don't like Doom >Hate Quake >Like Quake II

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 10:13:08 2017 No.4417896 >>4417889 How 'bout you open wide and get ready to hold your breath?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 10:17:20 2017 No.4417901 >>4410523 STALKER? Where simulating creature behaviour actually matters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:20:12 2017 No.4417973 >>4417813 lol no explain how is it good level design when you get stuck? what do you define as good level design? what genre are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:21:14 2017 No.4417975 >>4417810 perfectionism delays satisfaction, kiddo

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 11:28:08 2017 No.4417990 File: 632 KB, 576x432, [HUUHs metallically].webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4417889 >anything that doesn't conform to my circlejerk is the opposing circlejerk fuck off to your containment thread, doom/q1 babby

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 24 12:14:04 2017 No.4418058 >>4417853 >slow Christ why is /vr/ so casual.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 02:13:39 2017 No.4419239 >>4418058 You can strafejump fast but if you think the gunplay is anything but slow you're fucking trash at FPS. The weapons witching alone is fucking molasses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 06:36:05 2017 No.4419435 >>4419239 "I'm too ADD to wait for my gun to change" is not a good definition of slow gameplay >you're fucking trash at FPS not even that guy but if you can't handle slower weapon switching then maybe you're the trash one

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 14:18:27 2017 No.4420049 >>4413920 Based anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:21:58 2017 No.4420175 This game literally ruined the FPS genre.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:41:16 2017 No.4420209 >>4410658 like half life 2

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 15:42:45 2017 No.4420214 >>4414485 what? hidden doors are only ever used for secrets, as they should be

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 16:36:10 2017 No.4420302 >>4419239 You're the trash one bitch nigga. I'll play you any day of the week in Quakeworld or Quake 2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 17:43:51 2017 No.4420421 >>4414479 That and the Playstation 2 port.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 17:58:24 2017 No.4420446 >>4420175 Nah it spawned the purest of FPS, CS on Dust2

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 18:03:42 2017 No.4420460 >>4420175 Lmao It was regenerating health bullshit that did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 18:57:24 2017 No.4420578 >>4419239 >mods cant handle trash talk Play me in QW or Q2 any day of the week and see if you can put your money where your mouth is.

Anonymous Sat Nov 25 20:36:12 2017 No.4420730

>>4407661
>you'd need nostalgia to still appreciate it like we did back in the day.
I just started playing Half-Life for the first time about a week ago. I went in with low expectations because it's 19 years old, but it's actually the most fun I've had playing an FPS in a while, even after playing tons of modern FPS.
I'm gonna try portal next.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 21:30:31 2017 No.4420808 >>4417386 You're wrong, but you made me laugh. Have a (((you)))

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 22:03:10 2017 No.4420860 Half Life is just a cinematic retelling of Quake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 22:10:57 2017 No.4420873 >>4420860 Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 22:16:43 2017 No.4420885 >>4420860 half-life feels more like quake 2 than quake 2

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 25 22:26:21 2017 No.4420905 >>4420860 >Half Life is just a cinematic retelling of Quake. name some cinematic events in Half Life

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 26 03:27:11 2017 No.4421301 >>4413542 Holy fuck the game looks so small but it feels way bigger when you're playing it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 26 04:16:47 2017 No.4421338 >>4417583 >I wanted to shoot at humans but there was almost no human enemies at all. NIG GA

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 26 04:40:31 2017 No.4421373 >>4417813 While its certainly not the worst of its kind, Half Life basically wrote the book on linear cinematic level design.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 26 05:36:05 2017 No.4421421 Just bought HL2 and its 2 eps because of Autumn sale, should I play it now despite not knowing what happened at Xen?

>>	BallsackVentFan Sun Nov 26 07:27:55 2017 No.4421512 >>4407543 I just think it's neat

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 26 23:01:40 2017 No.4423345 File: 129 KB, 1200x1200, 1511591959550.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4420885 >Half-life feels more like quake 2 than quake 2 What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 26 23:04:18 2017 No.4423348 >>4423345 it's almost a retelling of quake except you're there to witness the disaster happen and it's set in a more believable world

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:23:45 2017 No.4424324 >>4417661 >>4417590 doombabbys actually believe this. Just got through with the first episode of Quake. It's fucking shit. Quake 2 looks better in every way, but isn't worth dealing with Yamagi Quake to play.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:24:47 2017 No.4424326 >>4417889 >anything that doesn't conform to my circlejerk is the opposing circlejerk fuck off to your containment thread, doom/q1 babby

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:25:49 2017 No.4424327 >>4419239 You're the trash one bitch nigga. I'll play you any day of the week in Quakeworld or Quake 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:26:51 2017 No.4424328 >>4419239 >mods cant handle trash talk Play me in QW or Q2 any day of the week and see if you can put your money where your mouth is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:27:42 2017 No.4424332 Half-Life is legitimately the best FPS released after Doom. It pulled off something really interesting and new after years of inferior Doom clones that make me fall asleep. It's a great game with a great narrative and gun feel. 2 is almost as good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:49:17 2017 No.4424539 >>4407554 >Doesn't defend the game at all >Insults OP to hide the insecurities that the game isnt perfect.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 14:44:23 2017 No.4424707 >>4421421 Yes. Quick rundown of HL1's Xen: Freeman goes to Xen, kicks giant ballsack and the big baddie, gets put into statis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 14:56:27 2017 No.4424735 >>4423348 yeah that doesn't describe quake 2 at all i prefer HL1 SP to quake 2 SP though

>>	Memer Mon Nov 27 21:30:32 2017 No.4425396 It’s not like they spent years making it and put a lot of effort into making a game that isn’t some generic bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 01:36:18 2017 No.4425674 Half-Life didn't age well at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:32:41 2017 No.4425740 >>4417606 Unreal is pretty but kind of empty and boring, like a 90s dental office screensaver turned into an FPS

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 02:49:23 2017 No.4425770 >>4417859 Did you even play Quake?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 05:08:43 2017 No.4425871 >>4421301 To be fair, the player would only be about 1 or 2 pixels in that image.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 10:05:13 2017 No.4426136

>>4424707
>put into statis
By who? From the memes I suppose it is G Man? All the wikis have big ass warning at the front page about HL2 spoiler so I haven't read them yet, was intent to go in fresh to see what's the big deal about it that was "revolutionary" and has "immortal status".

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 18:33:56 2017 No.4427060 >>4408959 that looks like a ballsack cthulhu is green, has wings, and tentacles all over his face

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 01:20:41 2017 No.4427864 >>4424332 It's not. Two is much worse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 01:48:47 2017 No.4427916 >>4413481 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jO-P3kXlCI

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 02:18:49 2017 No.4427954 >>4417606 HL has way better movement and more enemies overall.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 10:24:14 2017 No.4428447 >>4427954 The skaarj are more interesting than entirety of HL's monsters tho.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 10:36:12 2017 No.4428461 >>4428447 not really you only fight 2 or 3 at a time at most and they just feel like multiplayer bots

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 13:01:17 2017 No.4428716 i like banni hopping

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 13:03:23 2017 No.4428719 epic thread simply epic

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 17:08:14 2017 No.4429229 >>4421338 Maybe he is german and he got to shoot those rather cool military bots?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 18:37:41 2017 No.4429380 >>4414485 Doom never had any moments like that. I believe you're thinking of Wolfenstein 3D

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 02:08:43 2017 No.4430161 >>4413703 >Wolf3D, ROTT, Strife, Goldeneye, Turok, Redneck Rampage None of these are better than Half-Life

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:24:52 2017 No.4431683 >>4417661 >>4417590 doombabbys actually believe this. Just got through with the first episode of Quake. It's fucking shit. Quake 2 looks better in every way, but isn't worth dealing with Yamagi Quake to play.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:25:53 2017 No.4431685 >>4417889 >anything that doesn't conform to my circlejerk is the opposing circlejerk fuck off to your containment thread, doom/q1 babby

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:26:55 2017 No.4431687 >>4419239 You're the trash one bitch nigga. I'll play you any day of the week in Quakeworld or Quake 2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:27:57 2017 No.4431690 >>4419239 >mods cant handle trash talk Play me in QW or Q2 any day of the week and see if you can put your money where your mouth is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:29:07 2017 No.4431696 >>4407554 >Doesn't defend the game at all >Insults OP to hide the insecurities that the game isnt perfect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:30:09 2017 No.4431702 epic thread simply epic

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:30:23 2017 No.4431704 >>4431690 >>4431687 stop reposting my posts and using them as bait faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:40:44 2017 No.4431732 >>4431704 No. :^) jannytard is going to learn to accept his appellation of "doombabby" and he will fucking learn to LIKE it, instead of deleting posts like some diaper-wearing autismo.

Anonymous Thu Nov 30 19:47:10 2017 No.4431754

>>4417973
>how is it good level design when you get stuck?
What, do you think the priority of level design is to make sure the player never gets stuck? MODERN level design, maybe. The point of good level design is to be interesting, which unfortunately can't be balanced for all skill levels. There's always some doofus claiming XYZ was too confusing.

also who the fuck gets stuck in HL1 at all

Anonymous Thu Nov 30 20:58:25 2017 No.4431913

>>4431754
>What, do you think the priority of level design is to make sure the player never gets stuck?
Says who, faggot?

>The point of good level design is to be interesting, which unfortunately can't be balanced for all skill levels.
What does "interesting" mean?

Anonymous Thu Nov 30 21:13:22 2017 No.4431935

>>4431913
Whats better than basking in the environment of a games design. Its there to tell a story, give depth, easter eggs, treasures. Its much better than just being ushered all over the place with arrows and pointers. Its like game design these days forces to go certain directions, instead of letting you figure out what to do. I do understand that certain genres need a bit of ushering, like racing games, puzzle games, arcade games, etc.. but we are talking about a specific type of game. A story driven fps. And its very atmospheric indeed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 21:23:08 2017 No.4431951 >>4407554 >upvotes fuck off

Anonymous Thu Nov 30 21:28:30 2017 No.4431957
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>>4431935
>Whats better than basking in the environment of a games design. Its there to tell a story, give depth, easter eggs, treasures.
What room in Half-Life does a really good job of telling a story, shows depth, has easter eggs, and treasures?

>we are talking about a specific type of game. A story driven fps.
How do you define story driven?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 21:29:16 2017 No.4431960 >>4431951 The extent to which you are not getting it is hard to watch

Anonymous Thu Nov 30 22:44:46 2017 No.4432109

>>4417901
Stalker is kind of the exact opposite of half life, I personally find that kind of game more immersive too but he probably doesn't. A few of the big self contained "levels" like the biggest underground one or where you're climbing up to the brain scorcher are like a great section in a half life game but in between those you're running around the world and for someone who finds half life more immersive than anything that would probably be disruptive to that feeling. If you're wondering if you'd like the mechanics of stalker think if you liked deus ex and imagine that with realistic guns

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 1 02:43:13 2017 No.4432524 >>4431935 >A story driven fps and what game would that be? because the "story" of HL1 doesn't drive the gameplay you can completely ignore the story and still complete the game and have fun while doing so

Anonymous Fri Dec 1 04:08:18 2017 No.4432626

>>4427916
Coding some naptime isn't intelligent nor is it most of the AI anyway. Most of the AI was people shooting at you, HECU grunts. Well, shooting at you when they didn't bug out stare at you for thirty seconds because they couldn't figure out why you didn't shit their pants when they said - THROWING A GRENADE! before throwing a grenade, which is the perfect time to run up in their face as they're not shooting when they're throwing. And their movement and tactical decisions are terrible when they're not busy getting brain farts. Not AI but it's also shit that they do have invincibility in some animations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 1 04:44:54 2017 No.4432669 >>4425674 >aged

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 04:43:08 2017 No.4435001
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>>4431957
>How do you define story driven?
Not that guy, but one way you could say it is that every map in Half-Life has narrative purpose, meaning that you're ostensibly playing through "the story" of Gordon Freeman escaping. The graphics and mapping are realistic enough that this feeling is preserved seamlessly. The "story" that's being driven is a bare-bones disaster movie plot ("Scientists escapes dangerous accident, fights aliens to get out") but you can imagine every level as a scene from it. Contrast with Doom or Duke 3D where there are too many arcade-style holdovers for the levels to make much realistic sense beyond being fun dungeons to blast through.

I'm not saying this is a good or bad way to design a game but I don't think you can argue that's the #1 thing HL well enough to be popular. It wasn't the scripted events, it was the commitment to "this is a real place."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 2 04:58:29 2017 No.4435016 >>4435001 >realism, immersion and continuity are equal to being story-driven I am not okay with this

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 05:41:39 2017 No.4435048

>>4435016
You're saying what it is. The point is WHY it is. And yes, the setting (a narrative element) is driving the level design. The #1 criteria for a Half-Life map making it into the final game is that it make narrative sense by plausibly following from the previous scenario. All of your objectives are driven by the "Gordon Freeman desperately overcomes obstacles to escape the damaged facility". It wouldn't make sense to have bonus objectives or collectible trinkets, just buttons to lower bridges, open doors, turn on the power, etc. Those are narrative constraints.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 2 08:22:34 2017 No.4435210 >>4435001 Okay, that's a reasonable answer. The other guy is just farting out buzzwords. He's either stupid or underage. >>4435016 Also this.

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 10:11:17 2017 No.4435369
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>>4435048
>The point is WHY it is.
>writes self a wall of text describing "what" it is just the post before

>The #1 criteria for a Half-Life map making it into the final game is that it make narrative sense by plausibly following from the previous scenario.
and then you're implying the same shit again
continuity of events does not imply being story-driven
your personal projections why a game was made one way and not another are not factual points

>It wouldn't make sense to have bonus objectives or collectible trinkets
because stories never ever have red herrings in them.

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 15:25:53 2017 No.4435848

>>4435369
If you don't like the term for what to call it, that's fine. But it sounds like we're not disagreeing on the fact that half-Life does it, and it's a big part of the appeal. Would you deny that Half-Life's maps being the way they are makes them feel MORE story-based than if they were a collection of Quake 1-style maps? Even if you don't like the term.

Anonymous Sat Dec 2 20:26:34 2017 No.4436417

>>4435848
are you dense or just trolling?

for the last time, a game being coherent or immersive does not automatically mean a game is story driven. a game being story driven does not automatically make it coherent or immersive

HL1 is not a story driven game. you can completely ignore the whole "story" and just go through the maps start to finish while losing little to nothing out of the experience

only "appeal" for HL1 having some blownout story comes from post-HL2 fags

Anonymous Sun Dec 3 01:12:24 2017 No.4436828

>>4436417
Saying the plot is too simple or minimal and can be easily ignored by the player is not the same thing as saying the plot doesn't affect the game design. Player-focused vs developer-focused maybe, if you would accept that. I mean, it's not a binary yes/no thing anyway. I don't think you can say it's not a notable thing about the game though, for 1997.

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