/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4399958]

/vr/ aliexpress thread
I just bought a bunch of those cheapo saturn USB controllers, a USB N64 controller and a genesis usb controller on 11.11.
I wonder how shitty they'll be...

[Anonymous No.4399962]

>>4399958
likely absolute dogshit. genny one for sure

report back when you get em

[Anonymous No.4399975]

I don't know of any that aren't shit, and that's sad because really I would want to get a cheap one. I just don't know how great this d-pad is, people say it's the best for 2D games but I'm skeptic because in the past I've been told things like "the d-pad in most nintendo controllers is good" and I can't get used to them yet "the d-pad in dual shock is terrible" and I'm used to that. Though I admit the one on the 360 controller is shite. But I don't look at a round d-pad like that one and think it's automatically shit like some people say. I owned a logitech precision and that thing had a round d-pad but it was quite amazing.

Enough talk though. Let's see how it goes for you.

[Anonymous No.4399979]

>>4399975
innext snes controllers are well built and miles cheaper than most shit, wish they'd do sega controllers for real.
I got a two pack of sweet black and lavender/purple snes pads from them for like $14 on amazon, got the proper dpad and the good rubber start and select and so on, sturdy casing and all

[Anonymous No.4399986]

Is there anything on Aliexpress ACTUALLY worth getting?

[Anonymous No.4400000]

>>4399979
Yeah it seems some companies got the snes controller right (or even better), I heard iBuffalo ones are decent though slightly pricey. Honestly I don't know what makes it so hard to replicate these.

[Anonymous No.4400003]

>>4399986
Knockoff EverDrives are the jam. Lots of cheap Famiclones to play around with too if you're into that sort of thing, not to mention rubber-pad replacements for controllers by the millions. The GB Boy color is potentially worth getting if you're into GB stuff too.

[Anonymous No.4400006]

>>4400003
>rubber-pad replacements
hmm now that i think, my NES could use some new pads for the controllers

[Anonymous No.4400016]

>>4400006
Yeah I've had a 10-pack of NES replacements on my AE wish list forever, I have like a box of NES controllers that would be good to go with new pads. If anyone cares, you can get 8bitdo controllers and receivers for significantly cheaper than amazon on AliExpress as well. They're chinese anyway and they have their own store, I just ordered an NES one for $14.50.

[Anonymous No.4400018]

>>4400006
Same here, gotta do it with a SNES d-pad.

In a related note, since Dualshock 1, 2 and 3 have an almost identical design, do rubber pads for a Dualshock 1 work on a Dualshock 2 and viceversa? I'm concerned about them pressure sensitive buttons not working.

[Anonymous No.4400026]

>>4399962
Didnt sega distribute these cheaper usb ones with that weird game streaming service they had?
If it was good enough for them they can't be that bad

[Anonymous No.4400027]

>>4400016
On a related note, how are 8BitDo SNES/SFC controllers compared to the iBuffalo? The latter used to be recommended pretty frequently but its been getting more criticism recently (mostly for having pretty poor diagonals, I believe).

[Anonymous No.4400046]

>>4400026
I haven't heard of that, but I've seen and experienced the cheapo clones of the already kinda sub-par later six button controller. The build quality that I've seen has varied wildy, but always been shit.

[Anonymous No.4400056]

>>4400003
>GB Boy Color
Is that thing really good? I've heard a lot of things about it, but it almost seems way too good to be true.

[Anonymous No.4400074]

>>4400027
Honestly not sure, I've only used the receivers, which are pretty cool. Obviously input lag is a thing, but I mostly play RPGs and can use my otherwise useless Wii U Pro Controllers.
>>4400056
If you buy it from AliExpress and do not pay more than $40 for it, yes. For the bad things; the aspect-ratio is a little squashed, the speaker is wired to only one sound channel (headphones are properly in stereo), the plastic screen protector scratches easily, and the IR port isn't real, but those are the worst parts about it. The screen is actually backlit and bright as hell, it plays GBC-only carts without issue, gets great battery life and the D-Pad, while no Nintendo pad, is easily the best 'Chinese' D-pad I've used. It's a unique device for the price if you want to play GB/GBC games in the dark without ponying up for a modded GBC, or GBA. Also the link cable connector works. I got it primarily to use with the Game Boy Camera, it does the trick. Pic related is mine. I honestly use my Game Boy Pocket far more frequently, but the GBBC is a fine device for its intended price (the markups on eBay and US oriented sites are ludicrous though).

[Anonymous No.4400080]

>>4399962
here's the mega drive one
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/for-SEGA-Genesis-MD2-Y1301-USB-Gamepad-Game-Controller-6-Buttons-SEGA-USB-Gaming-Joystick-Holder/32757318825.html
>>4400056
Not worth it, for 60 bucks more you can get a revo k101

[Anonymous No.4400083]

>>4400080
>Not worth it, for 60 bucks more you can get a revo k101
That's literally more than double the price for a device with its own host of issues, including a completely wrong screen resolution.

[Anonymous No.4400104]

>>4399986
I buy odds and ends on there all the time. Replacement battery and port covers (just got my N64 expansion bay cover and it looks nice), controller extension cables, bootleg cartridges, knock-off flash drives.

I stay away from controllers and clone consoles. I hate bad controllers, and clone consoles always sound like ass. But there's a lot of useful stuff you can find out there.

Everything I've bought so far has worked well enough for what I purchased it for. God bless the chinks.

[Anonymous No.4400127]

>>4400000
>Honestly I don't know what makes it so hard to replicate these.

The profit margin for a basic controller is probably pretty small to begin with, so any corners that can be cut most likely are, resulting in poor quality. Also, nice dub quints.

[Anonymous No.4400172]

>>4400083
>own host of issues
I'll give you the screen, but it has a scaled mode with the correct gba aspect ratio
Other than that I don't really see the problem with the revos

[Anonymous No.4400175]

>>4400000

iBuffalo feels great, but they're bugshit. They send random phantom d-pad signals every once in awhile, which can drive you mad (especially if you have them hooked up to a kodi box).
My favorite SNES USB pad is the S91 from Cirka. Solid build, and no bugs. No turbo either, but I never use that.

[Anonymous No.4400182]

>>4400172
Doesn't it not even play GB/C carts?

[Anonymous No.4400185]

>>4399975
> I heard it's not shit so I ordered the shit one.

[Anonymous No.4400191]

>>4400080
Ooh, they took an artsy picture of the piece of shit. Looks like they've copied the nicer of the six buttoners. Looks to be higher end garbage.
hey man here's hoping you'll actually get what's in the picture and not this pos

>>4400000
Pay attention to these repeating numbers!

[Anonymous No.4400197]

>>4400182
it runs the roms though

[Anonymous No.4400202]

>>4400191
That looks fine despite the filth
What's wrong with it

[Anonymous No.4400220]

>>4400197
So, that's a no then.

[Anonymous No.4400228]

>>4400197
Is it running them the way a GBA flashcart would? With the Goomba emulator or something?

[Anonymous No.4400235]

>>4400228
I have no idea, but if I had to guess it's doing it on hardware.
NES is emulated though

[Anonymous No.4400238]

>>4400202
I cover everything I own in a fine layer of grime to mark it as mine
super thin cheapo plastic and a bad glue job makes it feel like it might come apart in my hands during play (another one already has)
of the 6 available only buttons X and A work fine. Y and B feel awfully squidgy and soft, with Y sometimes not responding and the last two don't even go down. I'm thinking of opening it up one day to see if there's a mess of rubber, hot glue or something else holding them back.
The d-pad is horrid. It feels like a coin on a match. Sometimes it'll stick to the right and I have to pull it back by pushing left. Makes playing games where you double tap directions kind of a hassle.
also this one has passed by now, but when I got the controllers in the post they both smelled really strongly of cheap plastic. I'm overusing the word "cheap" here, but I don't know how else to describe it. That stink some old dollar store toys had, you know? It's like they literally came to me hot off the assembly line.

I kinda wish the Sega logo was misspelt to complete the piece.

[Anonymous No.4400246]

>>4400228
afaik, everything on the K101 is emulated.
>The Revo K101 runs on ARM7 and ARM9 CPUs. The ARM7 controls the sound and 2D dedicated graphic hardware. The ARM9 is the master CPU for every other function. The system achieves a high compatibility rate via implementation technology which can handle sound, graphic, and data communications in all engines on the System On A Chip(SoC).
>The Revo K101 uses a special memory interface that lets the GBA cartridge interface be "emulated" via a modern DMA and DRAM interface.

[Anonymous No.4400253]

>>4400246
a gba on a chip isn't emulation
they mean the "emulating" reading the game cart

[Anonymous No.4400256]

>>4400246
>>4400253
Weird, when one says System-on-a-Chip, I generally assume the whole GBA has be reimplemented on a gloptop, like a NOAC, not partnered with a bunch of ARM chips. At any rate, the GB Boy Colour is an actual GBC hardware clone.

[Anonymous No.4400258]

>>4400238
where'd you get it
I know retrolink brands those exact saturn and n64 controllers so they can't be that bad right?

[Anonymous No.4400271]

>>4400258
Wish. It's like aliexpress or any of those cheapo chink child labour sites. I saw the Sega logo and thought "no way" and turns out I was right.

[Anonymous No.4400304]

>>4400271
I'll see when they come in

[Anonymous No.4400417]

Why the FUCK haven't the chinks made a GBA SP clone with 2 more buttons (maybe an analog nub) with a nice 4:3 screen and a modern ARM processor running debian.
It would sell like fucking hotcakes be pretty much /vr/'s dream handheld

[Anonymous No.4400509]

>>4400417
They still struggle with just doing a GBA SP clone without chinking out and cutting every corner under the sun. Don't hold your breath.

[Anonymous No.4400524]

>>4400003
>>4400056
>>4400074
>GB Boy

I was interesting in picking one up at some point, but I don't know about the aspect ratio. Is it going to distort select sprites and tiles by a few pixels? I'm really autistic about having a pixel-perfect screen.

I really just wanted to mod my Pocket to have a backlight or frontlight, but I'm afraid I'll screw it up. Pockets are reputedly the most difficult to mod.

[Anonymous No.4400531]

>>4400524
All the pixels are there (Nothing is lost, that is), but it's slightly shorter and wider than a GB screen. Screens that size and resolution just aren't manufactured anymore, and there's no way Chinese companies are using non-off the shelf parts. The alleyway picture I posted gives a pretty good idea. It's actually very close to how the original Super Game Boy squashes things, so I don't mind it for the price, but others might.

[Anonymous No.4400553]

>>4400524
Resolution is right, it's just a 4:3 instead of 1:1. It's about as noticeable as it was on the NES, barely if not at all unless you put it side by side with the real deal.

[Anonymous No.4400565]

>>4400026
No, Sega's were official Saturn pads and much higher quality.

[Anonymous No.4400585]

same shit quality as what you'd get from gtron/retrotech - ie shit quality dpad and molding thinner than the original too. can't even use the rubbers to repair real controllers cause of the changes in thickness to these shitty counterfeits. you can however use the usb pcb inside a real shell with the real buttons & rubbers.

[Anonymous No.4400589]

>>4400417
chink plastic would crack faster than nintendos does

[Anonymous No.4400593]

>>4400585
I'll make a thread when they get in.
I ordered 3 of them so that should eliminate any QC fuckery

[Anonymous No.4400601]

>>4400026
never seen real proof that those 'play sega' controllers weren't better quality than the average chink counterfeits and now all the ones silk screened with 'play sega' are just shitty counterfeits.

only widely available quality usb saturn controller is the officially licensed one released by sls. here's my sls, and as you can see there's easy to tell apart.

>>4400593
don't hold your breath. with the shitty gtron i had the dpad would stick and after taking it apart i realized that the travel was limited because of them thinning out the molding. tried the rubbers in my real saturn controller and the dpad became floppy because of just how much of a difference there really was.

[Anonymous No.4400615]

>>4400601
>only widely available quality usb saturn controller is the officially licensed one released by sls. here's my sls, and as you can see there's easy to tell apart.
Where do I get one of these?

[Anonymous No.4400631]

>>4400615
They're not made anymore, so 2nd hand on ebay and yahoo auction. I'd like to add the PS2 Darkstalkers SLS controller to my collection one of these days. Notice the PS2 version has a select button.

btw there was a japanese ebay selling selling broken real saturn controllers on the cheap, if you keep an eye out for keywords 'junk sega saturn controller', you might be able to get good shells/rubbers to place those usb pcbs inside. picked up one of them before and i couldn't test them, but after taking them apart and cleaning up the shell/rubbers with dawn and a toothbrush, they sure performed like new. (used it to house that counterfeit usb controller pcb).

[Anonymous No.4401637]

I've got a hacked wii that I use to emulate snes and genesis. Looks like ebgames is selling these hori pads for a decent price. Has anyone tried these before? I know hori is quite reputable.

[Anonymous No.4401738]

>>4400615
speaking of sls controllers, there's one on yahoo auction right now for a starting bid of roughly 20bones. damned thing looks fake, for some reason, but it has sega molded into the usb connector so it has to be legit.

"v521224876" "【送料込み】 SEGA 復刻版セガサターン USB コントロールパッド 白 ISS-5001-01 中古品"

[Anonymous No.4401751]

>>4401738
Fucking 110 eurodollars in here minimum. It's disgusting really.

[Anonymous No.4401767]

>>4401637
It should work, I think the Classic Mini series generally just looks for a classic controller, which the Fighting Commander most likely is seen as by the Wii as well. It's worth noting that the 8bitdo retro receiver does not work with the homebrew channel, it makes mine lock up, but it works fine in regular Wii mode. Rather unfortunate, I really wanted to use my Pro Controllers on the Wii.

[Anonymous No.4401791]

>>4401637
they're wireless, so not so sure you should connect one to a wiimote and add even more lag

[Anonymous No.4401835]

>>4401738
>>4401751
Just get a real saturn controller and a saturn to usb adaptor. That works just fine

[Anonymous No.4401859]

>>4401738
>damned thing looks fake, for some reason,

What exactly makes it look fake? It looks real to me.

[Anonymous No.4402272]

>>4400074
>>4400056
>>4400524
Bought mine a week ago. It is absolutely amazing! A friend of mine bought one too along with a chink pokemon romhack (red tpp version) cartridge. We've been trading over link cable during lunch time, man it's like we were back in 1995. Also it comes with built-in gameboy games in it. If you don't want to spend 39$ you can still get the GB BOY Pocket for like 18$ which is a gameboy pocket with a bigger and much better screen

[Anonymous No.4402326]

>>4402272
Nice, glad to hear you're enjoying it. The GB Boy Pocket has some issues though, the screen is significantly lower quality than a GB Pocket screen, so it ghosts like crazy. Also, it uses the wrong frequency clock crustal, so it runs too fast (arguably a good thing for RPGs). They are crazy cheap though, i've been thinking about picking one up to keep in my bag.

[Anonymous No.4402391]

>>4400601
Play Sega are your average chinese junk. Mine broke after a few weeks of light play. I had high hopes because I like the Genesis/Saturn style pad. Best retro controller by far.

I use an 8bitdo SNES controller now for when I need USB on my PC. Plus it is compatible with an actual SNES.

[Anonymous No.4402426]

>>4399986
Lots of stuff. A lot of consumer stuff is overpriced or shit but even for that there's still good suppliers. For stuff like machinery or parts shitty low quality suppliers are the exception.

[Anonymous No.4402524]

>>4401791
ah fuck, you're right. Why the fuck would a fighting game stick company make a wireless controller? All I really want is a super nintendo controller that either plugs into a wiimote, or has a gamecube plug so I can just wire it straight into the wii.

I've seen the gba player controller for the gc, but theyre expensive and the face buttons look weird.

[Anonymous No.4402534]

>>4401738
>>4400601
>not switching the inside with a real one
lmao your life

[Anonymous No.4402537]

>>4402524
You can get random chinese Wii-styled Classic Controllers that have a hardwired gamecube connector instead of the wiimote connector. I've heard decent things from a couple folks on /vr/. I have a PSX to GCN adapter that does the trick as well, if you don't mind the sony d-pad.

[Anonymous No.4402553]

>>4402537
I'm already using an official classic controller through the wiimote, input lag hasn't really been a concern for the years I've been using it. It's just that I absolutely hate the shoulder buttons lol.

Seems kind of petty now, its just I saw that the new snes minis have official nintendo snes controllers that use the same connectors that the wii does and I got really jealous.

X>Gamecube adaptors might be the way to go though. I wonder how just a direct USB connection works with homebrew emulators, since I've got a bunch of nice ps3 and ps4 controllers.

[Anonymous No.4403430]

>>4402553
>input lag hasn't really been a concern for the years
Are you getting so old that slow reactions and parkinsons make lag irrelevant?

[Anonymous No.4403815]

>>4403430
Really depends on what you're playing. The Wiimote is reasonably decent, when paired with a CRT. Obviously not perfect for action games, but it's great for anything slower paced.

[Anonymous No.4404213]

>thousands of saturn usb controllers
>not even a single saturn controller with the actual saturn connector

W H Y

[Anonymous No.4404216]

>>4400000
nice quint

[Anonymous No.4404225]

>>4402534
>lmao your life
I paid 18 dollars for my SLS Sega Saturn controller, came with an N64 controller, a wired xbox360 controller and a PS2/N64 USB adapter. You mad bro? Yeah, you mad af.

[Anonymous No.4404238]

>>4401859
Hard to explain, guess I'm just to used to seeing too many counterfeits in white. That said, you can tell it's legit because of sega being molded into the usb connector and the dpad texture. Those shitty counterfeits tent to have smooth dpads, which stick to your thumb. No smooth back to forward gliding action with those pieces of shit. Also you can tell it's been used quite a bit cause it's scuzzy looking. First thing I'd do with it is rip it apart and pull out the dawn.

[Anonymous No.4404245]

>>4404225
what is even happening in that feedback chain

[Anonymous No.4404248]

>>4404245
first one is my feedback to the seller, 2nd one is what he left me and my followup comment.

[Anonymous No.4404257]

>>4404248
ah gotcha, I figured but wasn't sure. I've never seen a seller leave such salty positive feedback.

[Anonymous No.4404259]

>>4404257
Yeah he was salty af, so I gave him a smiley to make him feel better lmao

[Anonymous No.4404269]

>>4402553
I was in exact same situation. I dont really want another pad with wii remote cable but those are pretty much the only option, besides classic controller ripoff, gamecube pad, gba link (dont know if it works in homebrew though) and that one hori pad that costs like 150$.
I found out Retroarch on Wii added some compatibility for usb drivers, but you must have a custom driver for each specific controller. I know you can find one for ds3 and maybe buffalo but anything more niche you'll have to write yourself, one dude wrote how on forum

[Anonymous No.4404303]

>>4402537
I have one of these controllers. It's far from perfect, but it works well for specific things.

First problem is analog triggers. This allows them to work with GC games, but can mean the triggers feel kind of awkward for emulation. It's not a huge deal to me, but something to be aware of.

2nd problem is that the cord for the controller is comically short. Like 2 ft long.

3rd problem is the button layout for Virtual Console games. Since it's technically a "Gamecube" controller, but the buttons aren't in the same position, it leads to some awkwardness. Particularly with Genesis games.

I use it all the time for SNES, NES, and Game Boy games, though. Works fine. Buttons feel a little cheap, but not the worst I've had by a long shot.

The internal components seem cheap, but the plastic is at least sturdy so hopefully it won't be an issue.

[Anonymous No.4405843]

I'm probably gonna buy that GC GBA link cable

[Anonymous No.4407038]

>>4404269
I've looked into it an I think I'm going to pick up a snes controller on ebay, they're around $15, and grab this $30 snes to gamecube adapter that some canadian company makes.

[Anonymous No.4407717]

>>4407038
If you mean raphnet, yeah I came to the conclusion that would be the best. Though if I'm going this far I also want to get original snes pad. Now I'm just waiting for money and motivation.
Probably gonna get chinese gba link for now.

[Anonymous No.4408371]

>>4400003
So is it safe to go for a knockoff NES everdrive over the real thing?

I know they don't get updates but do I really need an update on an NES one? I"m guessing whatever it does it already does well.

[Anonymous No.4408508]

>>4408371
I've had mine (Famicom version) for probably 1-2 years without any issues. It's missing a few mappers newer firmwares have added, and it can't save state on as many games as the official firmware. All in all for $50 less than an official one, I think they're a good buy. I'm thinking about buying a real one for the missing mappers and stuff I mentioned, but it's not because the Chinese one broke or anything, I just make more money now then I did when I bought the Chinese one. It's a personal call, but I'm happy with mine.

[Anonymous No.4408606]

>>4399958
Hey uhm i really wanted to get into Saturn Emulation, even tho it's not perfect but i missed really out on everything sega related except the Dreamcast. Especially since the Saturn got the Best Resident Evil version from all consoles.

I've seen that there was a analog controler for the Saturn .. was it used as much sony used the dual shock or is it completly optional ?

[Anonymous No.4409457]

any good chink controllers?

[Anonymous No.4409518]

>>4400601
I wish 8BitDo would make a Saturn style controller.

And a Sansui style famicom/TG-16 style controller like pic related. Perhaps with a NES or TG-16 Color scheme. They kickstarted some bullshit Apple controller but these would be more interesting to me.

[Anonymous No.4410121]

>>4408508
how much is an official everdrive?

[Anonymous No.4410162]

>>4399958
I have the Saturn USB pad. While it's not exactly terrible, you do get what you pay for.

[Anonymous No.4410254]

>>4410121
$118 not including shipping for the N8. If you have the cash you could get an official one on black friday for ~20% off from Stone Age Gamer (US), Retro Gate (UK), or krikzz' store (Worldwide/EU). Otherwise ~$50 cheaper from China (with free shipping) for a clone is a decent bargain. Pic related is the firmware my clone (and probably all clones) is locked to.

[Anonymous No.4410339]

>>4410254
what's the latest firmware and what does it really add? Some mappers for obscure games?

[Anonymous No.4410351]

>>4410339
16 is the newest, with the following changes:

nesos-v16 04.07.2017
1) white artifacts fix
2) MMC3 irq improvement

nesos-v15 12.11.2016
1)Minor bugfix


nesos-v14 28.10.2016
1)Fixed MMC4 (glitches in Fire Emblem)
2)New mappers support. 31, 137, 138, 139, 141, 147, 168
3)Removed "audio mix vol" option. Now it always in "Hi" state
4)Removed "Mapper info" menu due the lack of memory space
5)Minor bugfix

So a fair few mappers and improvements; I'm not sure off the top of my head which games are added by supporting those mappers however.

[Anonymous No.4410445]

>>4410254
Is there any way to check chink firmware before buying?

[Anonymous No.4410448]

>>4410445
You could message the seller, they'll probably be able to tell you. Odds are it's V13, unless they've updated their stock to support newer versions, but I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.4411138]

>>4410448
what improvements have been made since V13?

A version 13 of something is fairly mature in most hardware..

[Anonymous No.4411153]

Can anyone tell me if this thing would be any good? I'm not well versed in clone controllers that aren't the cheapest of the cheap junk.

[Anonymous No.4411592]

>>4411153
that looks uncomfortable

[Anonymous No.4411930]

>>4411138
Literally third post above you.

[Anonymous No.4412028]

Been looking for an authentic style usb nes controller. Any good ones?

[Anonymous No.4412127]

>>4411138
see >>4410351

[Anonymous No.4412305]

>>4404259
You probably set him off with the fucking retarded feedback YOU left.

Protip: It's there to rate the seller's performance, not the item and certainly not to gloat that you got a bargain.

[Anonymous No.4412527]

>>4412127
>>4411930
thanks
I don't even know what any of that means so I guess the bootleg is good enough for me

[Anonymous No.4412597]

>>4412527
The bootleg is a solid device, I've had absolutely no issues with mine. It plays almost everything I've thrown at it, and some games that appear to not work will work if you turn off the save state function from the menu. Startropics in particular won't run past the title screen if save states are turned on.

[Anonymous No.4412691]

How come there are no chink clones of Neo Geo pad?

[Anonymous No.4412854]

>>4412305
you're one dim bulb, my friend

[Anonymous No.4412881]

>>4412691
probably too expensive to bother with

[Anonymous No.4412943]

Can someone recommend me a good USB adapter for the regular Saturn pad? I don't want to bother with any chinkshit USB controllers

[Anonymous No.4413079]

>>4399958
You got those controllers yet OP?

[Anonymous No.4413156]

>>4412943
mayflash

[Anonymous No.4413736]

>>4412943
Raphnet probably has the highest quality

[Anonymous No.4413776]

>>4412943
No such thing. A blissbox is the best you're going to do. But if you only need one controller consider getting a controller modded for USB. Of course you can have either option for a fraction of the cost if you have basic electronics skills.

>>4413156
>memeflash
If you find one dirt cheap with free shipping and will never need anything else it might be worth it.

[Anonymous No.4413779]

>>4410254
post link please, i want one.

[Anonymous No.4414296]

>>4412854
Explain

[Anonymous No.4414361]

>>4412305
>It's there to rate the seller's performance, not the item
I always factor in the condition of the item or w/e in my feedback
Arguably him commenting on the "great price" is a rating of the seller. Like hey this guy gives real good deals.

[Anonymous No.4414407]

>>4412305
>not the item
When you buy chink knockoffs, you need to rate product.
I love it when you buy something, they most likely fuck up packaging, and it gets lost in the mail, somewhere between China and the frozen wasteland of a oil kingdom.