DLC

[Anonymous No.4399143]

Who started DLC on consoles?, by DLC I dont mean full games, just small stuff like items and missing content

[Anonymous No.4399157]

What are you, writing a book report on the history of video games?

Anyway it started with the Xbox 360. Oblivion horse armor. I knew it would change gaming forever and it did. I have never and will never spend a single cent on digital items.

[Anonymous No.4399162]

>>4399157
Are you stupid?, I already put an example an predates the xbox 360

[Anonymous No.4399164]

>>4399143
Nintendo with the Pokemon games, splitting them into two versions with only a few different Pokemon between them was a cheap idea to sell more copies of the same game. The "you're supposed to play with friends" meme was a 10/10 cover by Nintendo.

In terms of actual downloadable content, the first I ever remember on a console was on the Dreamcast. Sonic Adventure had some weird texture pack you could download if you played on launch day that added balloons and Dreamcast banners to Station Square. PSO had quests and items you could only get by playing online.

[Anonymous No.4399169]

>>4399143
There may be some confusion regarding your question due to the modern usage of the word "console" that excludes handhelds.

[Anonymous No.4399174]

>>4399164
yah skies of arcadia had a dlc isle and optional boss

[Anonymous No.4399175]

>>4399162
Try posting an example of something people actually used, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4399180]

>>4399175
I see you keep proving you are mentally retarded

[Anonymous No.4399190]

>>4399180
You don’t know the difference between handheld and console, so...

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4399193]

Also Starpath Supercharger for VCS but that was full games

[Anonymous No.4399205]

>>4399169
Is it really that hard to imagine "console" being said to mean "not PC"?
Especially when OP posted a gameboy add-on.

"Handheld console"

[Anonymous No.4399207]

>>4399193
Yeah that is why I mentioned the full games thing

[Anonymous No.4399215]

>>4399193
Is it really DLC if it’s downloading the whole game
>>4399205
Stop trying to redefine what console means. Handheld ≠ console.

[Anonymous No.4399218]

>>4399190
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_handheld_game_consoles
Yeah man, I can post more examples of handhelds being called consoles too

[Anonymous No.4399219]

>>4399190
Not him but
>handheld console
>home console
They're both consoles you fucking retard

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4399221]

>>4399207
You could get different language versions of games at the FDS kiosks. Then on Satellaview there were events that only happened at certain times within games. Check out BS-Zelda. Any way you slice it, Nintendo was the console trailblazer. Computer games had been doing it since the 70s though.

[Anonymous No.4399226]

>>4399218
Wow a wikipedia article! That proves everything!

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4399232]

>>4399215
Well, let's say you're a Korean who can read Japanese okay but not quite enough to beat Legend of Zelda even though you try your hardest but then one day you're walking by the market and holy shit the kiosk has LoZ in Korean so you overwrite your Japanese language disk with the Korean version. Is that still downloading the whole game or is it just updating it to Korean? Does the distinction really make any difference either way?

[Anonymous No.4399234]

>>4399221
>BS-Zelda
Nintendo being pioneer of shitty practices as usual
selling you incomplete games

[Anonymous No.4399247]

>>4399232
The korean version is independent from the original copy, so it's not updating it.
It goes against OP's full game condition.

[Anonymous No.4399253]

>>4399143
DLC back then was full games. No one was doing what your child mind calls DLC back in the day. It was complete re-releases.

-capcom had 30 different street fighter 2's in the early 90s.
-there was 2 different versions of mortal kombat 3
-japan had those ram cart vending machines
-gameboy card reader
-ps1/2 demo discs used to have save updates on them.
-bonus disc that came with soul calibur 3 has a dlc save for xenosaga 1

[Anonymous No.4399256]

>>4399232
Wasn't there some kind of console embargo in Korea in that era? At least that's the explanation I've heard for why StarCraft became a thing.

Based on that I just can't comprehend any reason why they'd have made a Korean version of LoZ.

[Anonymous No.4399257]

>>4399253
>DLC back then was full games.
I already mentioned that, are you retarded too like that other guy?
And nice reddit spacing faggot

[Anonymous No.4399259]

>>4399143
Earliest things I can think of are the Dreamcast and that GameBoy Color thing you posted. If there's anything earlier than that, I'm not aware of what it is at the moment.

[Anonymous No.4399274]

>>4399205
>to mean "not PC"?
you mean, like an XBOX and ps4 are glolyfied ibmpc with hardware "drm"?

[Anonymous No.4399281]

>>4399164
>Pokemon
This, but not for the reasons you posted.

[Anonymous No.4399282]

>>4399205
It's not hard to understand for a reasonable person, but this place is full of pedantic rabble-rousers.

[Anonymous No.4399291]

>>4399205
None of them, but is there a reason you care about PCs vs consoles?

>>4399157
I couldn't be more opposite. DLC done well is wonderful, and I'd far rather buy digital now than physical.

[Anonymous No.4399293]

>>4399291
>DLC done well is wonderful, and I'd far rather buy digital now than physical.
I bet you buy lootboxes too faggot

[Anonymous No.4399295]

>>4399291
>I'd far rather buy digital now than physical.

I absolutely hate buying anything digital. Its all the scam people first claimed it would be when this shit first started popping up, they'd sell you the game for full price with no box, no manual, and no physical media. Steam sales at rock bottom prices is the only time I will.

[Anonymous No.4399296]

>>4399293
>>4399293
No, those I think are terrible. I like to know exactly what I'm buying. I just like the convenience of digital and the option of DLC where if extra content is done well I can expand a game I love with it.

Even better when it's free.

[Anonymous No.4399302]

>>4399295
I never liked or kept the manual or boxes anyways. For me it's all just less clutter, which is what physical media is to me. I respect that you like it though.

[Anonymous No.4399325]

>>4399281
I'd fuck my own asshole to own one of those kiosks.

[Anonymous No.4399345]

>>4399325
I'd fuck my own asshole for sexual pleasure

[Anonymous No.4399351]

>>4399193

Sorry retard coming in. This is certainly for the Famicom Disc System so what is a "VCS"? I am not even trolling. I guess I am just uneducated as fuck. Sorry. Also since the Famicom had such disks could you easily copy those if you owned a PC or what were the disks like? Now that I think of it I am confused. I know the Famicom Disk System. A friend got one and he has colored cartridges which are like the NES cartridges but I saw old Japanese ads with that yellow disco mascot and they clearly had discs. So where do you put the discs? Or is the Famicom Disc System something different and all I know is just a red colored Japanse NES where you can blow into the second controller? I FEEL SO STUPID RIGHT NOW. Please help.

[Anonymous No.4399359]

>>4399351
Picture and text are unrelated, VCS is the Atari Video Computer System, the official name of the Atari 2600.

[Anonymous No.4399362]

>>4399351
Also the disks are propriety disks similar to floppy disks. You can't use them in a standard floppy drive as far as I know. But I do know bootlegs were really common back in the day, so they can't be too hard to fake. The Disk System attaches to the bottom of the console, you can still use cartridges but the disks slide in the bottom of the unit.

[Anonymous No.4399381]

>>4399362

Thank you very much. i assumed it was an attachment. I just got out of bed and I was feeling kinda stupid about this. i am already feeling way better. I also think the Famicom is damn sexy but the chords/wires are way too short. Guess you have to keep in mind how tiny Japanese living rooms are and that kids would sit right next to the telly. There is no comfortable gaming sitting a bit further away from the TV with those short cords. It still blows me away every time that you could blow into the controller. How did it technically work. I imagine this technology to be very very limited and not like what the Nintendo DS can do. I bet it can only tell if there is ANY kind of "voice input" or none. Still what a crazy thought and a typical Nintendo gimmick. It is just funny that they already put that into their first console ever. So what games used this besides Zelda where you chase off the bats and that Challenge by Beat Takeshi?

[Anonymous No.4399383]

>>4399362
not very long after nintendo released the disk drive for the nes/famicom, a few manufacturers appeared with devices and electronics that allowed you to copy the famicom disks onto other types of non-proprietary formats.

[Anonymous No.4399387]

>>4399362
http://www.famicomdisksystem.com/disk-copy/

[Anonymous No.4399398]

>>4399383
>>4399387
Fascinating, I love retro piracy stuff like this. Someday I'd like to own a UFO or Game Doctor for SNES just for the historical aspect.

>>4399381
>I bet it can only tell if there is ANY kind of "voice input" or none
I believe you're correct, I think the idea was for the player to talk into the mic, but blowing into it forcefully triggered whatever mechanism inside it much more easily, so people took to doing that instead. Whatever that mechanism was, I'm not sure. I believe you could also use it in Kid Icarus to yell at shop owners and get better prices or something like that but other than that I don't know what games used it.

[Anonymous No.4399431]

>>4399143
I think the first system to use DLC as in addons is the Dreamcast.
http://www.dreamcastlive.net/dlc.html
Satellaview and Sega Channel came before it, but they were downloading whole games instead of adding on to existing games.
That being said, however, Dreamcast DLC was mostly on-disk stuff since the only means of storage on the system was the VMUs.
There were plans to release a storage addon in the form of a Floppy Drive, but they cancelled it due to the fall in popularity of Floppy Drives.

[Anonymous No.4399463]

>>4399431

Those are zip disks, not floppies. 100 meg instead of 1.44

[Anonymous No.4399468]

>>4399463
My mistake.
I just assumed that because they looked like Floppy Disks.

[Anonymous No.4399501]

>>4399345
I have fucked my own asshole for sexual pleasure.

Seriously it's not that hard to do if you have at least an average-sized penis.

[Anonymous No.4399515]

>>4399143
WHAT IS SEGA DREAMCAST, MOTHERFUCKER

Games like Fire Prowrestling D had expandable downloadable content, more than a handful of additional moves were stored on the VMU and added over time. All of which have probably been lost to time, but that's another story.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4399670]

>>4399253
Good post
>ps1/2 demo discs used to have save updates on them.
>-bonus disc that came with soul calibur 3 has a dlc save for xenosaga 1
I completely forgot about this feature. Can you burn discs with hundreds of save games on them that can be written to the memory cards? It seems like that should be a thing it would be a lot easier than using a Dexdrive.

[Anonymous No.4399678]

>>4399515
You could also download custom graffiti for Jet Set Radio, although in that case it was mostly made by the community, not Sega

[Anonymous No.4399719]

>>4399670
Yes, you can. There's a popular CD image out there for Dreamcast that has complete saves on it for nearly every game and can be written directly to memory cards/VMU.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4399740]

>>4399719
Damn. Is there an RPG Maker image? I'd love to play the best crappy little amateur RPGs of the 90s on actual Playstation. I suppose the Japanese language ones are much better, probably.

[Anonymous No.4399752]

>>4399740
I tried looking for PS1 and I couldn't find anything like that. The only way I know how to easily transfer save files without a Dexdrive is by using uLaunchELF on a PS2 with a flash drive.

Btw here's the Dreamcast disc I'm talking about. It's super hand to have, especially if you just want to play an old fighting game or something and want to have all the characters unlocked.

http://www.bucanero.com.ar/2005/08/12/vmu-backup-cd-v130/

(not piracy, link only contains save files on a homebrew disc image)

[Anonymous No.4399762]

>>4399719
Link?

[Anonymous No.4399772]

>>4399295
You're buying the same license either way, you don't 'own' anything more than the plastic the disc and case are made of and a piece of paper with a cover printed on it.

[Anonymous No.4399778]

>>4399291
Just wanted to jump in and call you a retard as well. Enjoy spending your money to buy items with no actual value. Hope your hard drive crashes you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.4399780]

>>4399778
>believing modern physical media offers you 'protection' of any kind
>believing you 'own' anything besides a coaster
w e w

[Anonymous No.4399784]

>>4399772
Obviously you don’t own the rights to the intellectual property, but that’s not what we’re talking about, baby brain. I don’t own the rights to manufacture a Toyota but I can sell or trade mine freely.

[Anonymous No.4399795]

>>4399762
>http://www.bucanero.com.ar/2005/08/12/vmu-backup-cd-v130/

[Anonymous No.4399797]

>>4399780
>doesn’t think a game can be pulled offline at any moment for any reason
>thinks game services will be obligated to provide service online in perpetuity
>can’t differentiate between ownership of item and ownership of rights
>is underage
wew lads

[Anonymous No.4399805]

Hope no one has a large Wii Virtual console collection here...would be a shame if your hard drive crashed and you lost all your games. :-(

[Anonymous No.4399808]

>>4399797
You don't own the game, and it's naive to think they couldn't render your disc useless, not to mention that most modern games ship incomplete on the disc. You own a piece of plastic, the only right you have to the game is to play it until someone decides they don't want you to anymore. You can throw that license around, sell and trade it at will, but that's the only advantage. Otherwise you're simply hoarding.
>>4399784
When you buy a car outright, you own that vehicle. When you buy a modern disc game, you're buying a license to use what the disc contains, that's fundamentally different.

[Anonymous No.4399812]

>>4399805
You can back them up to your SD card without even having homebrew, giving you an easy way to back them up (although playable only on the original console it was installed on.)

Or just get homebrew and download the complete collection of virtual console .WAD files, because it's incredibly easy to do and also free.

[Anonymous No.4399814]

>>4399805
Not an issue since you can hack all of your content back in 10 minutes, and there's literally 100 million Wiis floating around the earth for $10-30 a piece.

[Anonymous No.4399820]

>>4399143
What does the Mobile adapter have to do with DLC?
It was just used for trading pokemon over the net.

[Anonymous No.4399824]

>>4399820
It was also used for legendary distribution events and an exclusive item you could download.

[Anonymous No.4399838]

In the strictest terms of "downloadable" content, the earliest example that comes to mind is Hudson's GB KISS technology. It was integrated directly into a select few Game Boy games, like Pocket Bomberman and Nectaris. It used an infrared connection that allowed user-created content to be shared between cartridges, and additionally functioned as a text message system. The content was stored via a battery backup just like SRAM data.

[Anonymous No.4399889]

>>4399772
>>4399808
If publishers had legal control over the use of their discs, they would have shut down the used market they hate so much ages ago.

[Anonymous No.4401019]

>>4399398
>I believe you could also use it in Kid Icarus to yell at shop owners and get better prices or something like that
Yep. Yell/talk/breathe into the mike in a store and the storekeeper will either get scared and lower the prices, or get angry and raise them. It's a gamble.

[Anonymous No.4401021]

>>4399824
Three exclusive items, plus additional copies of TMs and shit you only get one of in the game. It was pretty rad.

[Anonymous No.4401160]

>>4399752
They need a disc like that for all the Net Yaroze content.

[Anonymous No.4401178]

>>4399805
Won't happen. Even if it somehow did

>not making backups

[Anonymous No.4401181]

>>4399143
Metal Gear Solid 3. Blame Kojima. JK

The culture of RPGs, stats driven games, and their players are to blame. People who played subscriptions for MMORPG like WOW, proved people will pay for nothing. Weopons upgrades, treasure boxes, etc. are all RPG nigger people bullshit. My action and FPS games never had this kind of unlockable dlc shit, points driven stuff way back. You'd just play the game straight and it would be fun.

I don't even play games anymore. I don't have a current gen console. It just makes me depressed the devs put "unlockables", stats, random items into games that should be skill based. I fucking hate RPG games and RPG players for fucking every game genre over. They keep buying the same thing. EA even fucked up the last SSX game with this kind of jew unlockables mentality. The level designs are never the focus anymore either. Its just $$$ and stats. I'm done with the jew nigger rpg stats gaming.

[Anonymous No.4401205]

>>4401181
Are modern games responsible for turning you racist?

[Anonymous No.4401226]

>>4401205
>complaining about racism on 4chan
Grow some skin, tumblrina.

[Anonymous No.4401229]

Suikoden II had stuffs you could do with an S1 save

[Anonymous No.4401347]

>>4399143
does physical dlc count?

[Anonymous No.4401358]

>>4401347
>an entire, original game
>that also adds a new character to old games when you connect them
>physical DLC

nigga u reaching

[Anonymous No.4401361]

>>4401358
well, shovel knight's DLCs do exactly that, and I still see them called DLCs

[Anonymous No.4401370]

>>4399362
The FDS used weird non-standard floppy disks so cannot be reproduced with normal hardware.
>>4399381
My understanding is that the 2nd player controller had a very rudimentary microphone.

[Anonymous No.4401397]

>>4401361
>released as postgame content that requires the base game
>released as standalone game that can be played on its own
Yeah they're totally the same thing

[Anonymous No.4401465]

>>4401347
That would be more like an expansion that you can play without the base game
Sonic has been really popular these days man

[Anonymous No.4401483]

>>4401358
>>an entire, original game
Not really, it's clearly the later half of Sonic 3 they coudln't finish on time.

[Anonymous No.4401485]

>>4401397
>Yeah they're totally the same thing
Glad we agreed, because they are. Sega is a scummy company who invented DLC in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.4401675]

>>4401205
walt disney was right

[Anonymous No.4401734]

>>4399232
It's downloading the whole game. The distinction only makes a difference because you're trying to pretend that's not the case.

[Anonymous No.4402835]

>>4399501
yeah idk about you but my penis fills with blood which makes it hard to do a fucking 180 degree bend without breaking my dick.

[Batowl No.4402839]

>>4399143
FirePro D had downloadable moves.

[Anonymous No.4402998]

>>4399143
>Who started DLC on consoles?
NIntendo with the Famicom Network System. Shit, Japanese kids could play gambling games online without parents agreement.

[Anonymous No.4403009]

>>4399232
that's not reallly OP's definition of DLC, though. when most people think of DLC, they think of downloading from the internet.

[Anonymous No.4403020]

>>4399256
korea didnt allow electronic imports from japan so they megadrives they did have there had to be manufactured there and liscened to samsung. Its actually the reason why PCs got so popular which in turn is why starcraft exploded.