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Friendly reminder that there will NEVER be such a thing as 100% accurate emulation and the only thing you can hope for is merely acceptable emulation. Fifth gen emulation is atrocious and won’t be improving drastically past its current state, ever.

>> No.4394597

If you have pictures of decapped chips and someone who is capable of creating a transistor-level implementation based on that information, then you effectively have 100% accuracy. We’re just not there yet.

The biggest barriers to emulating more recent systems are copyrighted BIOSs and DMCA-protected DRM schemes.

>> No.4394626

>>4394591
Meh, it was "good enough" 10 years ago when I sold most of my old hardware. Don't give many fucks about 5th gen though.

>> No.4394697

fuck polygons

>> No.4394751

>>4394591
This is true. Also the world is flat.

>> No.4394771

>>4394591
Of course emulation won't be 100% accurate. It can't do light gun games. It can't emulate 3D games all that well(it has trouble with the Sega Saturn the most) and it definitely can't emulate the Sega Dreamcast 100% either. But poorfags will argue that emulation is perfect and that there's nothing wrong with pirating games they don't own.

>> No.4394787

>>4394591
Call me overly optimistic, but it's only a matter of time

>> No.4394794

>>4394771
>can't do light gun games

You mean HDTVs can't do lightgun games, and the reason why is very well understood.

If you had a fairly exotic setup with an emulator that generated a signal in real time and fed it to a CRT, light guns would probably work fine. Of course it's not practical as an FPGA emulator but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

Conventional emulators on the other hand manage that stuff fine if you have a mouse or a wiimote or something.

>> No.4394797

>>4394591
PSX emulation is objectively more accurate than playing on the console itself.

>> No.4395213

>>4394591
Beats having a bunch of consoles and shitloads of games lying around.

>> No.4395227

PSX emulation is great. Saturn emulation is acceptable, but requires good hardware. N64 is hit or miss, and the worst of the trio, but you're not missing much with that garbage console anyway.

>> No.4395243

Friendly reminder that there will NEVER be such a thing as a 100% hetero OP and the only thing you can hope for is merely his quite acceptable suicide. His lust for young boy cock is atrocious and won't be dying down drastically past its current voracious state, ever.

>> No.4395268

>>4394591
friendly reminder you'll never own those super rare games and arcade pcbs?
i don't know what you're getting at, there are pros and cons to both and i will keep enjoying both original hardware and emulation.

>> No.4395278

The "Emulators aren't 100% accurate" thing is so funny because it implies that there is a correct way to render these games.

A super nintendo is going to look and sound different on pretty much every different CRT.

It's also funny to me that people care about audio accuracy when they're using the built in speakers on their 30 year old tv.

>> No.4395301

>>4394591
aw man. how come?

>>4394751
well that's just biotruth

>> No.4395306

>>4394591
>Dust collector on suicide watch

>> No.4395313

>>4395278
Also, SNES had several hardware revisions (2chip, 1chip). Some games will display differently depending on the hardware due to (at that time) unknown glitches.

>> No.4395314

>>4395278
You're not emulating TVs, you're emulating consoles. Which for the most part will always output the games in the same way.

>> No.4395474

I don't even want to touch my PS1 with the existence of mednafen.

>> No.4395487

There's no such thing as 100% accurate, but for most titles worth a shit it is. Yeah maybe that one title that nobody would ever give a shit about has a small graphic glitch somewhere in one level. Yeah playing on an LCD increases input lag. Yeah if you have a gamepad that's not the same one as the one for the platform you're emulating it's not the exact same thing. But don't kid yourself. A PC with RetroArch, a GPU capable of using certain custom resolutions (which is most, considering there are patches for modern GPUs), a decent cable and a decent CRT TV renders a few consoles worthless. No shaders, no "shit looking unnatural" and definitely no discernible input lag. And best of all, you get to keep both your saves and your games anywhere you want and you don't need any extra cables or hardware around.

>> No.4395516

>>4395487
>Yeah playing on an LCD increases input lag.
this is blown so out of proportion
if the monitor is under 16ms or so you're not even getting 1f of lag. it only really makes a difference if you're playing on some huge laggy ass tv

>> No.4395841

>>4395474
>>4394797
I can see how PS1 emulating can be appealing especially since a lot of games that are emulated are actually better looking quality than the original game.

Its cool seeing people use an Xbox One controller for emulation. It looks really comfy once you get everything all set up. Sadly I will never be into emulation. I already have over 100+ PS1 games complete in box, man of which are rare and I play my PS1 every day on a PVM using RGB via SCART. Its interesting seeing others have the same love for the PS1 but via emulation. I use all original hardware, not judging at all, just noticing how both could be adequate. See for me, its just too late to get into emulation. I already own a huge library and have a near perfect original setup, so emulation just isn't for me... but it may have been nice had I started with it first \_(0.0)-/

>> No.4395843

>>4394591
I don't want a accurate, I want better. It's there already for 4th gen and earlier. The others will catch up.

>> No.4395915

>>4394591
ok, i don't care.

>> No.4396106

>>4395314


>Which for the most part will always output the games in the same way.


No that's absolutely not true. CRT's have a lot of variance in how they display signal, much more so than contemporary TV's.


>>4395313
Just how the developers intended.

>> No.4396140

>>4394591
Friendly reminder that this kind of statements comes from ppl buying/reselling cartrige/hardware and making a living from it.
Go emulate guys.

>> No.4397768

>>4396140
Yeah we all know.

>> No.4397789

>>4395841
just sell your physicals and move to emulating like the rest of us adults

>> No.4397801

>>4395487
>A PC with RetroArch, a GPU capable of using certain custom resolutions (which is most, considering there are patches for modern GPUs), a decent cable and a decent CRT TV renders a few consoles worthless.

So, what kind of cables would I need to connect a modern PC to a CRT TV?

>> No.4397826

Yeah, FUCK polygons, they are for casual retards anyway.

>> No.4397848

>>4394591
Friendly reminder that consoles break, take space, have shit compability, require special preriphals and are annoying and slow to use.

Oh boi thank god for emulatos! And fuck consoles!

>> No.4397964
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>>4397801
This is my current setup:

-A CRT TV that supports RGB SCART
-A 15€ cable like pic related
-A free USB port for that cable
-An AMD 280x (so any modern AMD GPU that has a DVI-I output)
-Windows (though this is only for the guide I'm going to link, I don't know how this would work on linux/hackintosh)

So basically I followed steps similar to these:

http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=326

Only instead of fucking around with Custom Resolution Utility, I just use vmmaker to generate the resolutions I want and enable EDID emulation after that. Works on Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 and works with the latest AMD drivers to date so no bothering with weird setups or custom drivers or any of that bullshit, just that you have to use superwide resolutions (I use 3840x240 for instance) and of course software that can support that like RetroArch.

>> No.4397969

>>4397964
Oh right I forgot, a VGA -> DVI adaptor of course.

>> No.4397973

>>4394771
Wii does light gun... even does snatcher sega cd. Get ur shit straight anon.

>> No.4398009

>>4394591
Obviously. Everyone's tv's were slightly different so there isn't even one standard. But that's unimportant to most gamers.

>> No.4398023

>>4394591
>99.9% accurate isn't good enough for me!

Autism is worse than cancer.

>> No.4398056

>>4397964
My desktop has a Radeon HD 7770. Is that too old? It has DVI output at least.

>> No.4398063

>>4397964
Wait a second, I just realized that I need something with SCART support. I'm in Canada, our TVs are the same as they are in the US, meaning no SCART. Is there a way I can do this over Yb Pb Pr? I'm guessing I'd need an extra converter if I wanted to do that.

>> No.4398072

It bothers me how many early 90s arcade games didn't get Saturn (or even Playstation) ports, because MAME sucks.

>> No.4398085

>>4398056
>>4398063
Yeah, not sure about component. But regarding the GPU it's fine as long as it has DVI-I.

>> No.4398141
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>>4398063
American here. Build yourself some freedom.

>> No.4398196

don't care, lol

>> No.4398383

>>4395301
You mean Christian truth.

>> No.4398397

>>4394591
True.

>> No.4398412

>>4394751
>>4395301
>>4398383
>flat earthers

>> No.4398515

>>4394591
Correct! And did you know what else?

Games age.
Pre-16 bit era games are literally unplayable.
SNES was far superior to the Genesis, especially in regards to hardware.
Retro games are unplayable if not on a CRT, and even then the only true way to play is on a PVM.
Genesis has terrible music; everything sounds like wet farts.
SNES has terrible music; everything sounds like muffled farts.
N64 library was awful. 99% of games are shovelware (read: "party" games) and 100% of games look like dogshit because of the anti-aliasing. Talented in-house developers were the only thing that kept it alive, and even the so-called gems like OoT are overrated trash.
PSX library was awful. 99% of games are shovelware (read: "JRPGs") and 100% of games look like dogshit because of the jagged lines. Talented third party developers are the only thing that kept it alive, and even the so-called gems like FF7 are overrated trash.
Saturn library was awful. 99% of games are shovelware (read: "arcade quality" ports) and 100% of games look like dogshit because of the no transparancies. Talented Japanese developers are the only thing that kept it alive, and even the so-called gems like Panzer Dragoon are overrated trash.
Dreamcast is an utterly forgettable footnote to end the history of SEGA (Semen Ejaculating Gook Autists?). Good riddance!

Anything I missed?

>> No.4398517

>>4398515
>games age

>> No.4398521

>>4398515
Spotted the redditer.

>> No.4398524

>>4398515
Good to see some patrician taste around here finally.

>> No.4398539

>>4398521
Of course, how could I forget this one?

>> No.4398549

>>4394591
>there will NEVER be such a thing as 100% accurate emulation
So? 99% is fine. I'm not autistic.

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>>4398515
Also, this. It's standard protocol by now FFS.

>> No.4398560

>>4395841
I like the idea of owning a ps1 but other than the Namco museum titles and Hot Shots Golf there's nothing I'd really want to play.

>> No.4398604 [DELETED] 

>>4398517
Please learn English or stop trolling.

>> No.4398626

>>4394591
>>4394591
>This meme
Mednafen Saturn and Mednafen PSX are nearly perfect at 9.48. GlideN64 and Angrylion in Mupen play everything just fine, but are fussier than the others, yes.

Dreamcast demands trying Demul or NullDC but overall you can likely get what you want running.

You're just an out of date brainlet who can't configure shit.

>> No.4398632

>>4398072
How does it suck? Use a nice build like Arcade64 and an associated romset and it's fairly painless except for games that are just plain broken.

>> No.4398658

>>4395474
How can you stomach such a complicated emulator?

>> No.4398671

>>4398515
Is this pasta?

>> No.4400201

Come on now.

>> No.4400489

>>4398658
How complicated is it to type a command with the name of the emulator plus the name of the .cue file to open

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>>4394591
>GOD PLEASE STOP EMULATING
>I NEED TO FLIP THIS LITTLE SAMSON BOOTLEG I GOT BURNED ON!
You can't blame them for trying, can you? Literal bags of shit have to eat, too, I guess.