/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4383909]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4383913]

>>4383909
overrated

[Anonymous No.4383915]

Great game on it's own, but it started a lot of the worst tropes in modern Zelda games.
It's fantastic, but severely overrated and its impact on the franchise was mostly negative.

[Anonymous No.4383916]

Hideous. Why is only the I serif in that font

[Anonymous No.4383919]

>>4383913
why? just suck at the game and being a dick about it?

[Anonymous No.4383925]

>>4383919
since when is calling a game overrated being a dick? surprise, another dumb nostalgia baby gets mad at people criticizing his 6/10 game!

[Anonymous No.4383927]

>>4383925
not an argument

[Anonymous No.4383928]

>>4383925
why is it overrated in your view

[Anonymous No.4383931]

>>4383909
Boring. I loved it as a kid but ff5 holds my attention better these days.

[Anonymous No.4383934]

>>4383927
the game is cheapened by being identical in story and structure to ALTTP, the story is less tolkein-esque (pic related), the gameplay is clunkier overall, you spend half of the time running from point A to point B via an empty overworld, the dungeons are less satisfying to explore and complete, the music really takes a hit by the n64 lacking a proper sound chip and or no CD soundtrack, and the side quests are ridiculous with little to no reward.

[Anonymous No.4383938]

>>4383928
Type OoT into youtubes search bar, then go fuck yourself!

[Anonymous No.4383940]

>>4383913
This. LoZ in general is overrated. You could say "it's for kids!" and be correct but there are children's games that are still fun when you're an adult and LoZ games are not minus maybe Zelda II which LoZ fags try to deny is a Zelda game anyway.

[Anonymous No.4383947]

>>4383934
that said, it's worth acknowledging that the 3ds version does fix a lot of these issues

[Anonymous No.4383965]

Forest/Fire/Water Temples > Spirit Temple >>>>>> the rest of the game.

[Anonymous No.4383971]

I think it managed to equal (but not surpass) ALTTP. Those who say it ruined the series tend to be reactionary types, though not entirely incorrect; the vast majority of the remaining titles never could manage to get out from under the considerable shadow it cast, for better or worse.

[Anonymous No.4383972]

>>4383938

Cram a cock up your ass, Jake.

[Anonymous No.4383982]

>>4383972
>being too dumb to tell when the same poster is or isn't replying
you don't belong here

[Anonymous No.4383987]

>>4383982

Eight posters and sixteen replies, champ. I fail to see your point.

[Anonymous No.4383992]

>>4383987
you can tell by the grammar, spacing, and punctuation pal. it's how you spot phoneposters, redditchildren, and overall newfags

[Anonymous No.4383995]

>>4383992

>everyone on 4chan is a psychologist

Sure.

[Anonymous No.4383997]

Decent for its time. Overshadowed by its sequel.

[Anonymous No.4384000]

>>4383995
what? can you make it any more obvious that you’re not from around here?

[Anonymous No.4384001]

>>4383997

Are you implying it aged poorly, sir?

[Anonymous No.4384002]

>>4383997
Best fairy tits since Madonna.

[Anonymous No.4384003]

Ah, the daily retard thread.

[Anonymous No.4384004]

>>4384000

Here's your (you) , get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.4384005]

>>4384001
Sure, why not? If it came out today you wouldn't give it a second look.

[Anonymous No.4384006]

>>4384004
>newfag is now an internet tough guy
kek

[Anonymous No.4384007]

>>4384002

But Madonna is an ugly jewess.

[Anonymous No.4384008]

>>4384001
>>4384005
Not even if built from scratch with a shiny new high res engine.

[Anonymous No.4384010]

>>4384005

Games can't age, sorry. You have to leave with this retard >>4384006 .

[Anonymous No.4384014]

>>4384007
Even so, the Great Fairy could take her.

[Anonymous No.4384016]

>>4384010
>”i’ve been sussed, so i’ll have to reply in a snarky upvote whoring way without directly responding”
please return to reddit, you will be in better company there

[Anonymous No.4384018]

>>4384014

Granted, but you forgot the rule which admonishes us to "never stick your dick in crazy".

[Anonymous No.4384021]

>>4384016

No. :^)

[Anonymous No.4384024]

Great game! I like the part where you fall through the spiderweb, and the part where you throw a bomb in the dino's mouth, and the shark at the bottom of Hylia lab, and the stealth sections, and the optional scarecrow songs, and when you finally draw the Master Sword, and walking on lava with the fire tunic, and the guillotines in the Shadow Temple, and shooting an arrow into the sun, and curing the cursed spider people, and and and... I could literally go on forever
Many elements of OOT have been done better in other games, but at the end of the day I like the way OOT does its thing.

[Anonymous No.4384032]

>>4383934
>by the n64 lacking a proper sound chip and or no CD soundtrack
With the amount of CPU power the N64 has, there's really no need for a 'proper sound chip'. Anyways CD's not gonna change much other than hearing slightly higher quality versions of the same Casio derivative samples.

[Anonymous No.4384035]

>>4383987
>>4384021
>>4384010
>>4384004
>>4383995
>>4383972
Imagine being THIS assblasted by someone insulting your favorite nostalgia shit.

[Anonymous No.4384043]

>>4384035

>imagine being THIS hungry for Anon's semen.

[Anonymous No.4384052]

>>4384043

????????????????

[Anonymous No.4384060]

>>4384052

The (you)'s are globs of semen. I can only trust that you've been assuming the proper face-tilted-up pose this entire time.

I believe in you Anon! You can do it!!!!

[Anonymous No.4384064]

>>4384060
>>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.4384065]

>>4384064

No. :^)

[Anonymous No.4384073]

>>4384060
what were you trying to accomplish with this post

[Anonymous No.4384085]

>>4384073

Holding a mirror up to your smiling sperm-covered face so you could, in fact, see what a faggot-ass little attention whore you are when you troll a board no one in their right mind would care about, such as /vr/.

[Anonymous No.4384086]

>>4384085
>see what a faggot-ass little attention whore you are when you troll a board no one in their right mind would care about, such as /vr/.
projecting

[Anonymous No.4384090]

>>4384085
How did anyone troll you besides reasonably explaining why your favorite childhood game is shit

[Anonymous No.4384097]

>>4384086
>>4384090

>he's hungry for moar

I may have to go on supplements to provide.

[Anonymous No.4384101]

>>4383925
25 deaths?

Hello Arin!

[Anonymous No.4384563]

Decent one, not the best Zelda. Has some sections that I just dislike.

There's both people who rate it still as the best game of all time and overly contrarian guys who go the extra mile to tell everyone how this game is not that good at all. It's just a decent game, like most of the similarly rated retro titles (SMW, FFVII, Castlevania: SotN, Super Metroid). These are good titles, just because they happen to be overly popular and highly praised it don't mean they're not good.

[Anonymous No.4384585]

This thread is a pretty good argument for why /vr/ is a terrible board.

[Anonymous No.4384683]

>>4384000
Is this a new shitty meme or did you not know we just call people newfags here.

[Anonymous No.4384704]

>>4384683
t. newfriend

[Anonymous No.4384776]

I'm replaying this for the first time since 2012
Not so hard as I remember. Once you get 30 skultullas and the 500RP bag, you're pretty much set

[Anonymous No.4384834]

>>4384563
>SMW, FFVII, Castlevania: SotN, Super Metroid
I think the difference is, those are all 9/10+ games. OoT is really a 5/10 game, yet it gets called the best game of all time. People don't have a problem with someone calling a game good, but if it's not really a spectacular game yet gets worshiped, that's what triggers people's autism.

It would be kind of like if I kept saying that Super Mario Bros. 1 was the best game of all time, and that anyone who doesn't agree just sucks at the game and there's no other possible explanation. People would think, Mario 1? Not 3? Not World? Not one of the countless other platformers that have been made since then?

[Anonymous No.4384850]

>>4384834
Have you played it in 1998?

It was one of the most innovative game of its time.

It basically created a new school of Open World games.

[Anonymous No.4384865]

>>4384834
>OoT is really a 5/10 game

Why does it deserve such a low rating, in your opinion? If we're just talking about the game having dated graphics or a dated camera system, I wouldn't hold that against it. The core gameplay is still very well done, whether or not that gameplay is accompanied by blurry low-res textures and a somewhat uncooperative camera.

I bought the OoT / Master Quest collection for GC awhile back, and I replay the game on an annual basis. Maybe it's the nostalgia factor for me, but I do still enjoy OoT over most modern action-adventure games.

[Anonymous No.4384868]

>>4384865
not that guy but is OOT fun with the hi-res/remake versions? should I give HD zelda oot a play through?

[Anonymous No.4384874]

>>4384868
>not that guy but is OOT fun with the hi-res/remake versions?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.4384875]

>>4384874
isnt there a version for the 3DS?

[Anonymous No.4384878]

>>4384032
CD soundtrack would have given the devs a lot more to work with for sound and they could have done so much better, if you honestly believe the potential of CD based media wouldn't have been worked with, you're a fool.

[Anonymous No.4384908]

>>4383909
All of you who are playing this game now, I just speedrun it for the first time and got 9:17:13. That was doing every dungeon in normal (intended) order, and all the trials, but skipping anything extra. Who's speedrun this game?

[Anonymous No.4384918]

>>4383934
to be fair ALTTP is one of the best gamed ever made

[Anonymous No.4384925]

>>4384875
>3DS
>HD
Eh

[Anonymous No.4384939]

>>4384875
>isnt there a version for the 3DS?

There's a port for 3DS with Disney-fied graphics. Surely that's not what you're referring to when you say "HD."

[Anonymous No.4384943]

>>4383925
You're right that it's overrated. It's a mediocre Zelda title and the best 3D one. But holy shit how did you even die?

[Anonymous No.4384950]

>>4384834
>those are all 9/10+ games.
No. SM is effectively the closest thing to a 10/10 out game there is really. SMW is a solid 8. SOTN is a 7 and FF7 is 5 at best. OoT is like a 6.

[Anonymous No.4384957]

>>4383925
>dying in OoT

Are you new to retro gaming, Anon?

[Anonymous No.4385002]

>>4384865
The graphics aren't great but they're solid enough. The framerate was more annoying than the textures. The backtracking is simply annoying. Much of the world design is empty and underwhelming with an emphasis on simply running around, to the point where stopping to fight enemies isn't even something you want to do most of the time because you have more barren shit to run through to get anywhere. The fighting mechanics are solid enough, but things to fight aren't well dispersed like the 2D games over an interesting enough area. The dungeons rank from okay to water temple. Added in more waiting sequences that no one wants. Lines and lines of shit story that make replaying it fucking annoying. Both of those last things sort of mix for the intro even with the unskippable fairy fuckery when you just want to start stabbing shit already not HEY, GET UP, HEY, LINK, HEY.


Honestly, the game ends up being more boring chore most of the time.
Egoraptor's video on it, is pretty spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOC3vixnj_0

[Anonymous No.4385061]

I want to play it again now, mainly just for Gerudo area + Spirit Temple

[Anonymous No.4385437]

>>4384939

3DS hacking is all the rage now, where the fuck is the texture mod for THAT version? The final boss takes place in broad daylight, it needs it.

[Anonymous No.4385464]

>>4383916
Do you even Verdana?

[Anonymous No.4385468]

>>4383913
Nice buzzword. It sums up the entire bandwagon of contrarianism about OoT.

[Anonymous No.4385589]

>>4385002
>replaying
Why would you want to replay a game, that is 5/10 in your personal opinion?

[Anonymous No.4385826]

>>4383913
LoZ is the most overrated and drawn out franchises of all time

[Anonymous No.4385835]

>>4385002
Hi Arin. How did you lose 25 times in such an easy game?

[Anonymous No.4385841]

>>4384939
It's fine unless you're an autist who superimposes your imagination onto OOT's graphics. 3D looks exactly like the concept art; and that's the way Nintendo intended OOT to look.

[Anonymous No.4385917]

>>4383913
>>4383925
>overrated
Calling something overrated is literally just complaining that people like it more than you. Why would that matter to you at all? Just like what you like, dislike what you dislike, and let others do the same.
>6/10 game
Including this is meaningless. No one gives a damn about your score and they'll never have a reason to because it's the result of what you personally think is good. If you want your hot opinion to be heard, just explain it.

[Anonymous No.4385986]

>>4383909
the GOAT

[Anonymous No.4386152]

>>4385917
>people ask me to elaborate on why i dislike a game
>WAHHH NO ONE WANTS YOUR OPINION ANYWAY
please go

[Anonymous No.4386160]

>>4385917
>just explain it
>>4383934 i did though?

[Anonymous No.4386190]

>>4385468
The entire franchise is pleb-bait minus II.

[Anonymous No.4386192]

>>4386190
I bet your tastes are so patrician anon.

[Anonymous No.4386281]

The game has a sense of authority in its design. They knew what they were doing. It took them so long, so many refinements, so many _downgrades_. The struggle it took to come out with this game, the pressure. The dungeons were drawn on paper before being modeled in! The game was coded in C on an esoteric 3d platform! If you look at https://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time, if you hear about the history, you can only imagine how many iterations it took to get to what they made. Not only did they pour creativity into this game, but they did it over and over again, testing themselves and constantly improving their work. If anything, I'd argue that kind of dedication is a large part of what makes a classic.

I've always thought asking whether a game "aged poorly" was asking the wrong question. It's about time we started looking at games from a historical perspective. No matter the age or the medium, you can feel the sweat, the intent, and the expression that went into a work. I'm not saying you need to put yourself in the shoes of a player at that time, or that it's invalid to compare aspects of it to modern games. I'm saying that gamers need to be more mindful and more deeply critical of the games they play, so that rather than saying "there's too much backtracking", instead they may say, "why did the designers have us backtrack so much?", or, "why did it matter to them...or not?". Take away the context, take away the expectations, and try to touch the soul of the game.

[Anonymous No.4386424]

>>4386281
People won't care about the development if they don't care about the game. Keep in mind OoT-haters are either insecure people lashing out over feeling marginalized, or straight up depressed gamers weened on today's uninspired bad vidya. No sane person needs to look beyond the surface level to see OoT or SM64 as the apex of this industry. Unless the only concern is graphics or social interaction. Then they don't know shit so going deeper into idiosyncrasies is futile. And that is most people on the internet.

[Anonymous No.4386484]

The game seemed like amazing futuristic alien technology when it came out. It's now more like an antiquated gas stove; it's dated but it has its charm. People always point out how empty the world is, but back then, it was the first truly 3d open world game, and people were amazed by it.

It's still fun with great music and characters. Its reputation is entirely deserved, even if some people find its graphics repulsively ugly now.

[Anonymous No.4386507]

>>4386484
>People always point out how empty the world is

But it's not though, and I have no idea why people claim this. Hyrule Field is one of the most minor areas in the whole game, and mostly serves as a hub for the rest of the game to fill out space. If you spend toms of time riding around in it expecting it to have more content than half of the rest of the game ala BotW then you're misunderstanding the point of its layout.

Its design still handily stands out. Games like Witcher is almost hilariously limited in interaction compared to it, and Elder Scrolls is generally filed with copypaste wastes of space.

[Anonymous No.4386531]

>>4386507
>copypaste wastes of space

Yeah, that's what I hate about modern 'open world' games. So often there's just nothing to do except walk or drive around. Even in one of my favorite games of the genre (GTA V) it's super painful that despite the huge and beautiful world, most of the time there's nothing waiting for you on the top of that building you can scale. No NPC, no collectable, no weapons, etc. That's one thing that Nintendo has always done really well, namely reward the player for exploring.

Today everything 'needs' to be open world, even though in 90% of games this makes it worse, unless you really like pointless, endless fetch quests. OoT hits a pretty ideal balance between world size and actual content. Later Zelda games drop down a bit in this regard, with Wind Waker's long sailing sections through an ocean that sometimes feels a bit too empty, or Skyward Sword which gives you an overworld that's almost completely empty aside from one major city and a few rocks with sidequests on them.

[Anonymous No.4386729]

>>4384878
>CD soundtrack would have given the devs a lot more to work with for sound
To what extent, exactly? Like I said, it was only just gonna lead to slightly better sounding samples and probably one or two more songs, which is kinda neat but ultimately not much of a game changer. It wasn't going to diversify the amount of music used much either; FFVII still reused a few tracks in a lot of its areas, for instance.

>and they could have done so much better
In all honesty, the game's soundtrack is pretty good enough as is to be honest.

>if you honestly believe the potential of CD based media media wouldn't have been worked with, you're a fool.
No, I believe they would've tried utilizing the advantages of the CD format, but not to the degree you're hypothesizing, at least in terms of music.

[Anonymous No.4387376]

>>4383965

Sprit Temple in OoT > every other temple in every Zelda game

[Anonymous No.4387384]

>>4387376
>>4383965
offical temple music rankings:

forest temple
spirit temple
fire temple
water temple
shadow temple

[Anonymous No.4387404]

>>4387384

Okay, I can't argue against superior Forest Temple music. Although I have to say, they Forest Temple felt arguably more difficult/confusing than the rest of the temples in the game. People bitch about the Water Temple all the time, but it was just tedious, not confusing.

[Anonymous No.4387413]

>>4387404
As someone who is currently playing through OOT right now and just played the forest temple over the weekend, i dont think it was that hard to navigate. theres basically the center courtyard, and two side outdoor courtyards. the hardest thing for me was remembering where all the key chests were

[Anonymous No.4387419]

>>4384918
Maybe if you are a kid and playing it completly blind or never played that genre.

I played it after albw and it was very nice but not holy shit what the fuck. Best 3d zelda is majoras mask and best 2d is minish cap

[Anonymous No.4387504]

Which are the best Zelda games on the gamecube? Ive never played any except oot and majoras mask on N64

[Anonymous No.4387514]

>>4387504

Twilight Princess just barely edges out Wind Waker.

To be honest, though, neither completely lives up to its full potential.

[Anonymous No.4387568]

>>4387413
>the hardest thing for me was remembering where all the key chests were
>hardest
>remembering
That's the problem about giving this game a fair grade. You can really only play it once. For most of us this was almost two decades ago.

[Anonymous No.4387751]

>>4384850
I don't agree. What "open world" games did it create?

[Anonymous No.4387765]

>>4386531
Tourism-simulator games i call them.

[Anonymous No.4387794]

>>4383909
I did recently finish this game for the first time a while back and I enjoyed it, though it is a bit straight forward and bland in some parts. I can see why it was so huge back when it came out.

Are there any other Zelda style adventure games around this period I should be checking out? Games where you don't have to level up with a nice balance between puzzle solving and light combat. Collecting new tools that changes how you view the world and puzzle solving. Self contained dungeons that doesn't require backtracking out of the dungeon itself.

[Anonymous No.4387806]

Ocarina of Time is like a giant in what it achieved, and Majora's Mask is like a midget standing on top of that giant.

[Anonymous No.4388030]

>>4387806
It's still standing on top :^)

[Anonymous No.4388041]

>>4388030
That's what makes it such a good metaphor :^)

[Anonymous No.4388051]

>ITT wannabe edgy autists say OoT is bad, and then proceed to bend over for majoras mask and moan

[Anonymous No.4388226]

I heard they were planning on having a dating side quest for young link that would impact who he ends up with as an adult. The gossip stones outside the temple of time mention Malon wants a brave knight to sweep her off her feet. Ruto immediately falls head over heels for Link. Saria is his childhood friend, which in Japanese media makes her the endgirl, but shes eternally a child so thats a no go. Then there's Zelda.

Which girl is your best girl? I'd go gay for Sheik no homo

[Anonymous No.4388237]

>>4383913
This is what I used to say when I was 12 years old and couldn't beat the Forest Temple.

[Anonymous No.4388238]

>>4388226
Bombchu lady, obviously.

[Anonymous No.4388240]

>>4383925
tfw i died more than this playing this recently
>its okay because i was wasted the entire time on booze and weed
>most of the deaths where from me forgetting i had a sheild

[Anonymous No.4388242]

>>4388240
been browsin v havent ya

[Anonymous No.4388243]

>>4388238

[Anonymous No.4388246]

>>4388242
y-yes, its my picture though

[Anonymous No.4388398]

>>4388240
I was thinking of playing majoras mask which I havent played since I was a Kid, I thought the storyline might be abit more, not necessarily mature but deeper and darker so it holds my interest. But maybe im just remembering with rose-tinted glasses.

[Anonymous No.4388663]

>>4385835
What the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.4388665]

>>4385917
>complaining that people rate it more than it objectively deserves
fix'd

Also, liking a game doesn't mean it's good. I've liked some pretty fucking shitty games. I like Shadowrun on SNES, fucking adore it... it's not a good game really. The mechanics for aiming are fucking terrible, no mouse support, fairly linear, the RPG part is randomly grindy for spots and then basically ignored the rest of the game. It's not a good game. But I like it.

[Anonymous No.4388669]

>>4386424
>apex
I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Anonymous No.4388779]

>>4388665
Nothing "objectively" deserves anything. Even if you think you've "rated something objectively", that's still based on your experience with games, what you perceive to be objective standards, and biases. Given that the point of games is generally to be liked, there's no reason to go around and say a game you liked is bad or vice versa.If there's a game you dislike that has certain elements that you consider to be "objectively good", that just means you appreciate those elements. You can appreciate things from games you dislike but that doesn't mean you should go around claiming the game's now "good". The drive to talk about entertainment "objectively" is frankly asinine because claiming something is objectively good/bad is like trying to close the conversation on how it is.

[Anonymous No.4388815]

>>4387794
Just go on with the series.
Majoras Mask and if you still want more after that, move on to Wind Waker and Twilight Princes on the GCN.

[Anonymous No.4388947]

>>4388779
I disagree with you, because otherwise there's be very little to be objective about in life, outside natural sciences. I hate the"hurr X game is objectively bad" shit some love to spout here, but the guy actually backed up his statement with arguments, and that's how many scientific studies work, even them are not immune to certain degrees of subjectivity

[Anonymous No.4389273]

>>4388226
Malon because
>Not a permanent child
>Not a fish
>Doesn't refuse to put out after you save the world

[Anonymous No.4389279]

>>4389273
farm girls are bad news

[Anonymous No.4389298]

There's not much reason to have much objectivity in life. Enjoying things and explaining why is not a scientific study. You can dislike most elements in a game but have one aspect be so good to you that you like the game so you shouldn't be compelled to act like the game is bad. That's putting yourself below consensus standards which isn't good because the consensus is made up of individuals whose opinions matter to a similar degree to you. There are plenty of cases in which someone's opinion on something can be said to be less valid that others, such as on something they didn't complete versus those who did complete it but generally there isn't much to male any persons' opinion more or less valid. Therefore he should place more value in his own and just consider the game good if he sees enough in it to say he liked it. Life's too short for people to constantly put their own opinions below their idea of what is or isn't consensus-good.

[Anonymous No.4389301]

>>4389298
>>4388947
Meant to reply to you.

[Anonymous No.4389789]

Solid 8/10

More enemies in the overworld in both child and adult world, and less of those super slow box pushing puzzles would make it 10/10

[Anonymous No.4390593]

>>4383934

> the game is cheapened by being identical in story and structure to ALTTP

lol it's a direct prequel and they did it well

[Anonymous No.4390594]

>>4383909
Bad fucking design.

[Anonymous No.4390595]

>>4388226

Malon and her milk jugs

[Anonymous No.4390618]

>>4383909
I think it was revolutionary for its time, but I enjoyed Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess more.

[Anonymous No.4390659]

>>4389298
But criticism is how things change. Saying "game doesn't do X right" means that a possible sequel or similar titles in the genre will try to fix those, other problems will arise from that and allow more criticism to come in play, in a circle that aims to not let games stagnate and always drive the developers to achieve more.

I'm still not convinced that you shouldn't be able to criticise a game you like. For instance, I could play gachas games and think they are shit games thanks to how slot machine mechanics are an integral part of the gameplay, and I would rather not have those.

[Anonymous No.4391605]

>>4390659
I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize anything. I'm saying that you should judge things based on your own standards you formed based on what you care about and not based on a vague consensus standard. If you think something is badly written, it should be because of what you decided is good and bad writing, not because of what you assume others think is bad writing even if it doesn't bother you. You should definitely speak out about things that bother you personally but you shouldn't think saying that it's bad is making a factual statement on its quality because others could easily like that very element and be justified in doing so.

[Anonymous No.4391734]

>>4385841

The characters are on-model and everything, it's the environments being butchered with bright as hell textures that is the problem, environments do not look like the concept art at all. It was done because they had concerns about the 3DS screen not being clear enough to carry the dark environments of the original game. There's logic there, it just sucks aesthetically.

>the way Nintendo intended OOT to look

You do realize it was handled by a third party, right? None of the people who made the concept art or designed the original game even came into the equation.

[Anonymous No.4391847]

>>4386281
>I'm saying that gamers need to be more mindful and more deeply critical of the games they play, so that rather than saying "there's too much backtracking", instead they may say, "why did the designers have us backtrack so much?", or, "why did it matter to them...or not?". Take away the context, take away the expectations, and try to touch the soul of the game.
wow, anon. that was ... really sappy. still, i agree.

[Anonymous No.4391881]

>>4383909
These meme threads will never end

[Anonymous No.4391950]

>>4391881
Well, it's OOT we're talking about.

[Anonymous No.4392473]

Fun at the time, but many Zelda games held up better (Windwaker, A Link to the Past, even Majoras Mask for fucks sake)

[Anonymous No.4393271]

one of the greatest games of all time; holds up extremely well. Due to it's long-lasting and well-deserved popularity, internet contrarians on places like /v/ will shit all over it every chance they get simply because everyone else likes it.

If it was less popular, /v/ would consider it the 2nd coming of jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.4393280]

>>4391881
>A thread about people's opinions on x game
>"meme threads"
Ok, explain us how it is done.

[Anonymous No.4393859]

>>4391734

Please post some of that environmental concept art.

[Anonymous No.4396085]

>>4383909
best game ever

[Anonymous No.4396521]

>>4388779
>Nothing "objectively" deserves anything. Even if you think you've "rated something objectively", that's still based on your experience with games, what you perceive to be objective standards, and biases.

Congrats on your vidya solipsism that makes everything not worth discussing at all because you can't know anything especially vidya objectivity.

Now fuck off with it, this board is about discussing video games not about the meta of how we shouldn't discuss video games because we can't know them and discuss them properly.

> You can appreciate things from games you dislike but that doesn't mean you should go around claiming the game's now "good".

And if a game is good but you don't like it because it's not your cup of tea, it's still good. Being liked is not a quality of being good or bad in design.

[Anonymous No.4396547]

This game is such shit. It sucked in 1998 and it sucks now. I shouldn't have to explain myself, but here we go:

>gameplay consists of mostly walking through wide open fields and empty dungeons. In the 2D Zedlas each screen was designed to be filled with enemies, puzzles, items to find, etc. Now you literally just run around with barely anything to do. The occasional enemies you do encounter are taken down with Z-Targeting like it's babys first Zelda game.
>OOT has a complete lack of objective/storyline. The story consists of the Deku Tree calling you the chosen one for no fucking reason at all. Then Zelda tells you Ganondorf is up to no good (of course, Ganondorf hasn't done anything illegal yet) and for some reason Link listens to this stupid bitch. While listening to Zelda, Link gets the Spirtual Stones to open the Sacred Realm, BUT this is what Ganondorf wanted the entire time or something and he used this to get into the realm. Ok. So in listening to Zelda, the bad guy just walked into the Sacred Realm (even though he was nowhere near Link when he used the Stones). Ugh.
>game is overall fucking slow as fuck. Endless walking, slow and boring combat, dialog boxes take forever to finish (Nintendo must legit think all their gamers had a 2nd grade reading speed), Navi interrupting constantly, the Owl showing up constantly, opening a chest takes 17 minutes, when getting an item like a bomb you get a 40 page description on how to use the bomb, general things slow down the gameplay (like King Zora taking 30 minutes to slide his fat ass over on his throne).

People say this game was ahead of it's time and they were right. Most of this OOT shit infects the games of today.

[Anonymous No.4396567]

>>4396547
This is what has been ushered in in the current "hollywood" era of cinematic games. The point of this type of product is not to react to the player and give feedback, the point of the game is to make you watch cutscenes and read a bunch of cringy and hyperbolic expository dialogue.

[Anonymous No.4396665]

>>4396521
How the fuck did you interpret that as any attempt to invalidate discussion? The point is that objectivity ruins discussion by claiming that things are factually one way when said observations of fact are based on the individual's ideas of what good or bad are. It's not that someone's opinions are invalid but rather their statements of perceived fact are. You talking about "good or bad" game design as if those are outside of opinion is more of an attempt to invalidate discussion on whether or not a given game has good or bad design and to what degree it is so. People should have reasons for why they feel that way but said reasons don't have inherent qualitative importance. Said qualitative importance comes from the observers who discuss the thing. Discussing quality is essentially thinking that something is good/bad and then trying to convince others on why you feel that way. What bringing objectivity to it is essentially trying to forgo convincing and saying it's one way and that's a fact. How is that not invalidating discussion?

[Anonymous No.4397302]

>>4396547
I have this problem with a lot of videogames from the N64/PSX era that were already famous in the snes era. I wonder how much of their reputation is due to gamers not being used to 3D or if they are actually as good as they insist. I guess with time, once the people that grew during that era stop giving opinions, we'll know.

On the other hand, it is hard to separate the success of a videogame from its technological achievement.

[Anonymous No.4397734]

>>4383909
I like it. It's one of the few games I've replayed more than twice. I think the fact that I've replayed it so many times is why I think it's just "okay" at this point and prefer Majora's Mask since it's a lot more freeform. The divide it causes is hilarious.

Why don't people try to enjoy every game on its own merits? It's all about making other people think that their taste is shit and that any game you even slightly dislike for whatever reason SUCH SHIT a la >>4396547. You all should be embarrassed. You don't really love video games. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4397813]

>>4383909

[Anonymous No.4398645]

>>4383913
This

[Anonymous No.4398652]

Overrated by normies, underrated by tryhard contrarian kids.

[Anonymous No.4398660]

>>4398652
its pretty much the best and first 3d game to cme out until majoras mask

its not the best today, but its hard to really call it overrated even if nostalgiafags are fags

unlike modern games there arent five hours of cutscenes and tutorials

[Anonymous No.4400387]

Good but not as memorable as some people say.