/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4379448]

ITT: Great games ruined by absolute bullshit difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4379451]

>>4379448
What veldt scroller is this?

[Anonymous No.4379452]

This game crushed my soul.

[Anonymous No.4379458]

[Anonymous No.4379461]

>>4379452
Were you going for 100% or just beating the game?
If 100%, yeah I can see what you mean, otherwise git gud.

[Anonymous No.4379473]

>>4379448

I remember reading that they deliberately ramped the difficulty up on that level to cash on rentals over the holiday season.

[Anonymous No.4379474]

>>4379451
Lion King, probably the hardest, most bullshit trial-and-error platformer for Genesis/SNES.

[Anonymous No.4379498]

>>4379448
>ITT: Young bandwagoners who can't git gud
I just don't know why some people find that game difficult. When it came out I played it with a friend and it's like it instantly turned into an uncoordinated retard as soon as the cartridge was inserted. I've seen the same with other people. I finished it in a weekend.

>>4379458
That game was ruined by the gameplay. Apparently all their effort went into visuals and music and they didn't have any time left to make a game that was actually worth playing.

[Anonymous No.4379512]

I feel like it's a crime this hasn't been added to the thread yet, even if every single person probably thought it when they read the first post.

[Anonymous No.4379525]

>>4379512
What was that game called again?

Something like Fighting Frogs, I think.

[Anonymous No.4379526]

>>4379512
Meh, I considered that one a challenge more than anything. The stage you posted, I could literally beat that portion of it with my eyes closed. I'm not puffing this up either.

[Anonymous No.4379529]

>>4379525
battletoads

[Anonymous No.4379551]

>>4379525
I remember when that one was the most aggravating meme we had.

Good, simpler times.

[Anonymous No.4379561]

>>4379448
Ecco the dolphin series

[Anonymous No.4379564]

>>4379458
>>4379498
Took them three tries to make something playable.

[Anonymous No.4379565]

>>4379498
>That game was ruined by the gameplay. Apparently all their effort went into visuals and music and they didn't have any time left to make a game that was actually worth playing.
PERHAPS THE SAME COULD BE SAID OF ALL PSYGNOSIS GAMES

[Anonymous No.4379570]

>>4379458

Pretty much every home computer game was that bad. They would have been too short if they weren't brutally difficult.

[Anonymous No.4379574]

>>4379525
bilestoad

[Anonymous No.4379594]

>>4379565
Your memes are as empty as your soul

[Anonymous No.4379595]

>>4379561
No way, those are reasonably difficult, mostly just your usual switch hunt thing. The scrollers are a bit bullshit though, but they come very late in the game.

[Anonymous No.4379610]

>>4379526
>I could literally beat that portion of it with my eyes closed
Not really that impressive since trial, error and rote memorization is the only way to beat the stage reliably.

[Anonymous No.4379635]

>>4379448

[Anonymous No.4379638]

>>4379610
Not him, but that's just a meme. Practice and memorization aren't the same thing, though obviously either can be used in Turbo Tunnel. Can you guess which one the contemporary "retro gamer" will most likely end up relying on?

Volkmire's Inferno has sections that are legit memorization-only though, since they require you to be already moving to safe positions before the visual cues actually show up -if they even do-

[Anonymous No.4379664]

>>4379638
>Can you guess which one the contemporary "retro gamer" will most likely end up relying on?
Save states.

[Anonymous No.4379667]

>>4379635
why did people have problems with this level? i was always able to breeze through it and still enjoy it to this day.

[Anonymous No.4379692]

The Genesis version of Contra Hard Corps
Come to think of it I could name a huge amount of NES and Genesis games that are lots of fun with a Game Genie active but FUCKING GARBAGE otherwise

[Anonymous No.4379694]

>>4379667
They're the easiest levels in the game but they aren't fun at all and the rest of the game is unplayably broken

[Anonymous No.4379908]

>>4379692
>The Genesis version of Contra Hard Corps
There's another version?

[Anonymous No.4379917]

>>4379908
The Mega Drive version, the Japanese version. More lifes/cc/HP.

[Anonymous No.4379940]

>>4379594
I can hear their little voices now

[Anonymous No.4379954]

>>4379448
This game was fucked because if you button mashed accidentally it resets you back to the title screen.

seriously if you hit A B C together i think it resets the game

[Anonymous No.4379997]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NintendoHard

>Back in the '80s, video games didn't have today's advanced storylines; Excuse Plots were the norm. So much of the feeling of accomplishment one could derive was from overcoming the insane difficulty that the games provided, if only so one could brag to one's friends. A plethora of enemies and difficult jumps were not just the name of the game, they were the game.

[Anonymous No.4380017]

>>4379451
>way underrated post

[Anonymous No.4380023]

>>4379997
>hard
>nintendo

[Anonymous No.4380065]

>>4379667
Yeah, I agree it's not really "absolute bs difficulty", but honestly, each time I play this game with other persons (no matter age/genre) we always stop at that point and switch to another game.

[Anonymous No.4380214]

>>4379451
saharas of reign

it's a decent disneyvania

>>4379594
developer: dma design

[Anonymous No.4380228]

>>4380023
>tropes
>tv

[Anonymous No.4380235]

>>4379448
But anon, that game is easy.

[Anonymous No.4380246]

>>4379525
Combat Amphibians

[Anonymous No.4380263]

>>4380246
I thought it was Step sneks

[Anonymous No.4380271]

>>4379448
Does it count if the bullshit difficulty is bullshit because it's so easy? The final boss of this game is a pushover and because of the way the funky A.I works the earlier enemies are actually harder to fight

[Anonymous No.4380278]

>>4380214
developer: Reflections

[Anonymous No.4380424]

>>4379448
Most of the Disney games are pretty unforgiving.

Aladdin has some bullshit where if you use the level select cheat to get back to your previous point in the game then after you beat that level you end up back on level 2 anyway.

[Anonymous No.4380454]

>>4379451
It's a savannah platformer

[Anonymous No.4380467]

>>4380263
Actually it is DOOM 3

[Anonymous No.4380486]

>>4380278
shit, sorry

[Anonymous No.4380524]

How about a game with bullshit difficulty settings?

>easy difficulty actually ends up being hard than normal and difficult settings
This sure makes a perfect sense.

Also trying to figure out how to get the "A" ending without any guides sure was fun.

[Anonymous No.4380525]

>>4379458
I love the theme of people becoming monsters, which is why I can't play the sequels even though 2 is much better than 1.

[Anonymous No.4380558]

>>4380524
>>4379448
Superman 64 made you change the difficulty of the final levels other wise you couldnt play them
>In order to play this level you need to change your difficulty to Hard
fuck that game

[Anonymous No.4380670]

this was such bullshit even the developers admitted it was too hard. one of them said (in a youtube comment) they just got too good while play testing and didn't realize how hard it was. (i remember "For Pete's Sake" being a runner up for annoyingly-hard levels in this game, too.)

[Anonymous No.4380690]

>>4380670
That whole game is pretty bullshit. Why the fuck a bunch of artists decided they could make a game with no designers or third party playtesters, I'll never know.

[Anonymous No.4380756]

>>4380690
That'll be all, Parrotsworth

[Anonymous No.4380771]

>>4380670
I still like that level. Andy Asteroids is the only shitty part of the game.

[Anonymous No.4380806]

>>4379448

[Anonymous No.4380820]

[Anonymous No.4380834]

>>4380806
I wouldn't say the game is bullshit in terms of difficulty outside of a few of the later stages, but having to get all of the electoons (?) in order to beat the game is stupid.

[Anonymous No.4380840]

>>4380834
Agreed. Everything from eat at joe's onward is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4380895]

>>4379692
>>4379908
Dynamite Headdy EU version was WAY harder and I dont know why.

[Anonymous No.4380902]

>>4380690
t. tumblrfag who's asshurt about homophobic statements one of the artists made

[Anonymous No.4380905]

>>4380840
>You just punch the unavoidable sabertooth fish

[Anonymous No.4380912]

>People are still pretending the original Rayman game is good
>2017

Origins >>>>>>> the rest of the franchise

[Anonymous No.4380919]

>>4380912
I dunno, I liked the shit outta Legends. Blazing through that bitch in style.

[Anonymous No.4380925]

>>4380834
Yep, there's actually a place where you need pixel perfect precision, and a few other cancerous tricks you need to do. And having to free all the electoons for the final boss is annoying. They should've made it so that you can still fight the boss, but once you free all of them you actually get to fight Mr. Dark (which you never do).
There are also too many cheap death places while the number of extra lives found is low, and farming tings to get lives is boring. They should've given you infinite replays or at least 5-8 lives per replay. Or just kick you out of a level section and remove your progress in it once you die (still without a replay limit).

[Anonymous No.4380957]

>>4379512
Literally the first thing I thought of when I read the OP. I specifically came into this thread to see how many posts it would take before someone mentioned this.

[Anonymous No.4380958]

>>4379526
This post is bullshit until proven otherwise. I always assume that people are lying when they say they can beat level 3 in Battletoads and nobody has ever proven me wrong.

[Anonymous No.4381101]

>>4380771
This

[Anonymous No.4381253]

>>4379512
wasn't there a warp point right in the beginning of the first stage that took you to the turbo tunnel?

[Anonymous No.4381261]

>>4379525
BATURUUUU, TOADSUUUUUU!!!!

[Anonymous No.4381732]

>>4380820

I actually had this game in mind when I opened this thread. Was such a good game but holy shit it gets tough

[Anonymous No.4381804]

>>4379512
i had MSX at the time my cousin had NES with some frog game with a super hard stage, years later i was sweating over DK1 first mine cart level on SNES, is battletoads pleb filter harder or are they sort of equivalent
>>4379638
i may think i beat the DK1 cart level with pure reflex, after trying for eons, but i might as well have memorized the delay between jumps without noticing... so practice may end up being the same as memorization.

[Anonymous No.4381816]

>>4381101
It just takes getting a handle on the momentum. People just hate having to learn something new.

[Anonymous No.4381869]

>>4379525
a bib a toad

[Anonymous No.4381870]

>>4380271
Holy shit, I remember this game from when I was ten. The final guy took me like ten minutes to defeat and I always thought it felt kind of off.

[Anonymous No.4382009]

The final boss of dynamite heady pretty much turned the game from a 8/10 to a 3/10. It was the worse fucking RNGbullshit I've ever seen in a game.

[Anonymous No.4382140]

>>4380895
>>4382009
Blame the baka gaijins, they changed so much shit in the game for some retarded reasons.

>Dark Demon's HP was nearly doubled from 9 HP (Japanese) to 17 HP (International).

https://tcrf.net/Dynamite_Headdy_(Genesis)#Regional_Differences

[Anonymous No.4382297]

>>4381732
The controls make this game hard.

[Anonymous No.4382359]

>>4379525
The Battler Toads

[Anonymous No.4382796]

>Lion King
>great game

i dunno, and I said this with nostalgia included because i bought the game on release date during a family trip and have fond memories of it, but as a game, it's just OK. Like all Virgin disney games.

[Anonymous No.4382807]

>>4382796
are you Virgin shaming?

[Anonymous No.4384218]

>>4380902
t.tumblrfag who keeps track of who has made homophobic statements

[Anonymous No.4384324]

Who is worse
>This game is literally harder than anything humankind could manage of all time
VS
>Peh, I don't possibly know why people find this gamr difficult, perhaps a sign of the dumbing down of games
I hate them both equally

[Anonymous No.4384367]

>>4382359

[Anonymous No.4384390]

[Anonymous No.4384408]

>>4384324
The latter. Gitgud fags are literally the worst, they contribute nothing except autistic chestbeating. You can't even talk about games that are known to be hard anymore without some elitist retard going "hmph...i 1cc'd ghouls 'n' ghosts while blindfolded and high on my own farts...grow up millenials". It's irritating.

I don't mind people complaining about difficulty, unless they're being childish about it. I can give them advice and spark some productive discussion that way.

[Anonymous No.4384446]

I legitimately got stuck here as a kid. Only managed to get through it a few playthroughs later, by mashing buttons randomly.

[Anonymous No.4384448]

>>4384446

I had to get my cousin as P2 years later to pass it. Never did figure out the barrel trick on my own.

[Anonymous No.4384450]

>>4384446
I think my "trick" at the time was to do a long series of small-ish jumps that would eventually bring the barrel all the way down. Or the timer would kill me, since it was a pretty long act (the longest in the game probably). Never figured out the up/down trick until I read about it on the internet. It doesn't even seem logical if you think about it, why would the barrel move up and down on its own if you only press the D-pad buttons, is Sonic willing it to move with some special psychic ability?

[Anonymous No.4384751]

>>4380670
i fucking hated this level fluked it once on my super nes. got the game for iphone down the line and couldnt do it. piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4384764]

>>4379692
I somehow ended up playing the Japanese version as a kid. Kinda weird since I'm from eastern europe, but I'm certian it was the jap version as you could survive 3 hits before dying AND everything was in jap hieroglyphs.

So yeah, try the jap version out, it's 3 times more forgiving.

[Anonymous No.4384786]

>>4379570
I think plok is alright in the difficulty metric, until I realize I have to beat it in 1 sitting.

[Anonymous No.4384798]

>>4384764
>Kinda weird since I'm from eastern europe,

Not really, no, pirate carts were pretty common in eastern europe. I got a region-lock-disabled USA version of Streets of Rage 2 (it plays with the music playing 3 times faster and has censored Blaze panties), a BK3/T2 multicart (T2 has extra credits), a bootleg of Ex Ranza (jap version, no sega logo and 2 levels have partially corrupt music).
Ex Ranza is notable because the cover has all the Sega logos and trademarks airbrushed out. I have a cover only for Gunstar Heroes that has that as well - when we bought Streets of Rage 2, some rich kid stole the box, so they put it in that. Oddly, the cart art for SOR2 is the asia versions, which says both Bare Knuckle II and Streets of Rage 2, since the game changes title screen depending on the console region, and Hong Kong had a mixture of both units.

[Anonymous No.4384848]

https://youtu.be/rlKl_q7K4-s

Greater games and we'll presented. But a hellish difficulty and 99 levels makes it a nightmare.

[Anonymous No.4385956]

>>4380895
>enjoy the fuck out of that
>Troubleruin/Maruyama takes forever to take down
>the first time i beat that boss he died from old age
>that next flying level

Fuck that next level. Realizing years later that PAL version got fucked with certain things and spikes difficulty around the stage 4 or 5 just annoyed me.

This reminds me how i could never get into SoR3 back then because of how the enemies had too much hp for no damn reason which makes the game drag too much.

[Anonymous No.4386063]

>>4379452
that game is easier then smw 1

[Anonymous No.4386134]

>>4379525
Pugilist Pepes.

[Anonymous No.4386137]

>>4379594
>the one good game in the history of European microcomputers

[Anonymous No.4386151]

This. And especially to new gamers who expect a normalfag-friendly game from this franchise.

[Anonymous No.4386362]

>>4379448
Smashtv is the endall answer to this question

[Anonymous No.4386405]

>>4386151
Aint nothing bullshit about it. I beat it in 1987 when I was 7 by myself.

[Anonymous No.4386413]

>>4386362
Smash TV isn't even hard, it just forces you to do a constant check for floor dangers and to learn mob control.
The problem is it's only fun on 5 minutes sessions then turns tedious because the check resets every room and stages are repetitive.

>>4384408
>unless they're being childish about it.
Exactly the reason I prefer gitgudfags.
If they are lying about being good at games then who cares, they probably are more frustrated than they can ever make you with their rants but the shitterfags ARE always childish.
People can beat even broken or glitched games if they try enough, of course popular difficult games can be beaten by anybody trying hard enough, but the fact they cry about it probably means they exausted their patience and imagination way too early.
They fit perfectly with the "Opinion discarded" phrase because they are simply unfit to do even simple actions meant to be enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.4386425]

>>4386413
>this post
HAHAHAHHAAHAHH

[Anonymous No.4386959]

>>4379448
Are the arcade quarter-munchers of the 90s disqualified?

[Anonymous No.4386962]

The only games ruined by difficulty are the ones who limited or (even worse) no continues. If you can't practice without replaying a fuckload of the game, there's no point playing such a lame, boring, monotonous piece of shit

>>4386959
All of them are actually beatable via credit feeding so they don't qualify

>>4386151
Zelda 2 is ruined by difficulty? WTF?

[Anonymous No.4386971]

>>4380670
This is why Defender is so hard too. The devs were playing it so much while making it and kept going "hey, don't you think this is a bit too easy?" as they kept ramping the difficulty up.

[Anonymous No.4386978]

>>4384408
This so much.

[Anonymous No.4388174]

>>4379448
What the fuck was with the hippo tail hitboxes on this level

[Anonymous No.4388202]

>>4380895
Is that duke nukem?

[Anonymous No.4388280]

>>4379448
>>4388174
The SNES version had a glitch with the hippo tails.
The Genesis version didn't have that issue.
Played both and the SNES has a lot of issue despite better sound quality.

[Anonymous No.4388593]

>>4380958

I've never finished Battletoads, but I've certainly done that level ... it's a bit tough but not that big a deal. It's early in the game so you can get back there pretty easily to retry, and the challenge is totally straightforward, except maybe in those spots where you have to jump from island to island and the shapes of the islands make it a little bit confusing... that's where AVGN got hung up when he did it. But in the end even AVGN got through it, and he kinda sucks at games. It's hard, but not extremely hard.

Doing it with closed eyes now, that's a bit tougher. I don't know about that part.

[Anonymous No.4388649]

>>4380958
For the sake of this thread yes, it's a big difficulty spike following the first 2 levels, but to act like it's some impossible god-tier challenge? I think you may need to git gud. It's probably only the 4th hardest level of that game.

[Anonymous No.4388781]

>>4379997
>tvtropes
It's like a wikipedia where every entry is written by a teenager who thinks his entry is the coolest entry ever.

[Anonymous No.4388787]

>>4388781
Don't worry, their forums are even fucking worse from what I hear.

[Anonymous No.4388808]

>>4379448
I was bad at this game as a kid and I never had a problem with this level. I don't get this meme.

[Anonymous No.4388964]

>>4379448

[Anonymous No.4388971]

>>4388964
It could have been as good as blaster master. If not better. Both would have benefited from a saving system, even just passwords.

[Anonymous No.4388983]

>>4388787
I'm not worried. Who told you I was worried?

[Anonymous No.4388992]

>>4388983
Search your heart. You know it to be true.

[Anonymous No.4389049]

Laugh at me all you want, as a 5 year old trying to play this without rings, was an insane anxiety panic attack
Also the Barrel, had to play as Knuckles on the PC version to get past since he got to basically skip half of Carnival Night Zone and it's infamous barrel.

[Anonymous No.4389057]

>>4389049
>aspect raidou

[Anonymous No.4389062]

>>4389049
Man, Sonic's really fat in this pic.

[Anonymous No.4389063]

>>4389057
>>4389062
>implying its my own screen shot and not a quick google search image

[Anonymous No.4389440]

>>4379512
>play the game for a few months
>manage to finish Turbo Tunnel fairly consistently
>get assblasted at Surf City
>eventually finish it
>get rekt at the snek level
>months pass
>watch a streamer play it for the first time
>a total noob with zero skill and negative reasoning skill
>he randomly gets the warp secret in Turbo Tunnel and aces both the surf and snek levels

[Anonymous No.4389450]

>>4379452
i actually never finished it, and i love all the other mario games. yoshi's island was hard, but it was also slow and more puzzle-oriented, which makes restarting from the last checkpoint more frustrating imho.

[Anonymous No.4389537]

>>4384408
The "gitgud" mentality reduces all games to just a series of a memorizable tasks. If you enjoy accomplishing difficult tasks for the sake of them being difficult is fine, but expecting everyone to enjoy this is absurd and flies in the face of common psychology.

[Anonymous No.4389582]

>>4379635
The one on the top left
What a fuckin death walk

[Anonymous No.4389651]

>>4379448
I've finished this game on Genesis without much trouble. I remember Jungle Book being harder (neither felt too hard, though).

[Anonymous No.4389664]

>>4379526
I can beat NES TMNT with no effort, but never made it past this stage.

[Anonymous No.4389697]

>>4388964
>festers quest
>hard

I literally beat it last month after decades of not seeing it

You just have to pay attention in the spaceship otherwise its just a boring game and made me depressed because my relatives would fight a lot in the NES era.

[Anonymous No.4389705]

>>4386134
Underrated post.

[Anonymous No.4389714]

>>4384446
I played this game in the late 2000s, and I legitimately found out how to do it because I recalled a meme I saw about it. It frustrates me because it's literally the ONLY PART OF THE GAME WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I recall reading the manual, but does it mention this section at all?

[Anonymous No.4389768]

>>4389063
>thinking anyone implied that

[Anonymous No.4389779]

The Ghosts 'n Goblins series.

It'd be at least almost fair if not for those fucking Red Areemer enemies that can dodge everything and follow you to the ends of the earth.

[Anonymous No.4389783]

>>4386151
>>4386962

It's not difficult, it's just the lack of checkpoints that make it tedious, especially in the final stretch of the game.

Thank heaven for that one single checkpoint at the final palace, but the game really should have them in all towns and palaces.

Hackers pls fix

[Anonymous No.4389808]

>>4386425
What's could possibly cause you such a healthy laugh in that post anon?

[Anonymous No.4390259]

>>4389049

I was 6 and i know what you mean. Wasted lives and a few continues for being hasty so i just played carefully by waiting him coming down and get the right pattern when throws the arms off.
I still beat the game in a bit more than 2 hours or so because i wasted too much time on the emeralds. Got 6 emeralds and around Mystic Cave said "fuck it" to the 7th one. It was already getting late that day. Next day i got all 7.

[Anonymous No.4390275]

>>4389779
Just gotta learn how to fight them, dude.