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4376241 No.4376241 [Reply] [Original]

Why do normies say this dungeon is hard?

>> No.4376243

it's tedious because you have to pause and switch boots a lot

>> No.4376260

>>4376241
Because you browse /v/ and think they represent normies

>> No.4376268

Lack of spatial awareness and the ability to use the map I guess. The difficulty of the water temple is incredibly overblown. Just go to the rooms you haven't been in and look at where the compass says chests are.
Part of me wonders if the amount of people who complained about the water temple dissuaded Nintendo from making more non-linear and actually challenging dungeons in future games, the thought of which rustles me a bit, because I like the water temple a lot.

>> No.4376269

>>4376241
it isn't, it's just extremely tedious

>> No.4376271

>>4376241
Normie's are used to games literally telling them where to go and what to do these days. Hell, even back then, psudolinear level designs that hand held you to victory were the norm.

So anything that makes you pay attention, think, try things and generally not be stupid are "le totally hard and le epic breh"

Or so they say...

>> No.4376280

>>4376271
zelda have been handholding players since lttp, it makes no sense for a zelda faggot to consider himself hardcore because he can beat oot, one of the easiest games ever

>> No.4376303

>>4376241
Normies haven't played this game since they were kids and buttoning a shirt was a challenge.

>> No.4376308

>>4376280
Not even my point you turd burglar.

My point is that Normie's are so fucking spoiled by even easier games that even OoT is "hard" to them.

And sorry for the turd burglar thing. That was harsh. Even though I seen you burgling some turds earlier in another thread...

>> No.4376316

>>4376308
>>4376303
>>4376280
>>4376271
>>4376241
is it still easy on master quest
i wanna beat OOT master quest for tha bragging rights

>> No.4376328

>>4376316
>Bragging about beating any Zelda

>> No.4376337

>>4376328
hey man
Zelda 1 second loop is pretty fucking hard
and lets not even get started with 2

>> No.4376339

>>4376337
he should have said
>bragging about beating any Aonuma Zelda

>> No.4376341

>>4376328
>bragging about beating video games
One time I read an entire book, one time I listened to an entire album.

Reading and entire book might be impressive in the 3rd world, same as beating a game in a place with no electricity or comouters/tvs.

>> No.4376346

>>4376337
Sure, but Zelda 2 is a meme anyway. Only redditors and worst scum actually play that.

>> No.4376362

>>4376341
Hey man, hold up there. Have you ever listened to an ENTIRE album!? Shits tedious as fuck!

At best, I listen to the first 5 tracks, then switch.

>> No.4376375

>>4376316
The OoT master quest is only "hard" if you've played the original version a couples times before, and all the changes fucks with your conventions.
If somehow you never played OoT time before and you did Master Quest first, it would seem fine and than the original game would be the fucked up version to you.

>> No.4376389

>>4376241
Normies find it confusing, and having to go into the menu to toggle the boots all the time gets tedious.

>> No.4376391

>>4376389
Didn't you post that earlier and no one responded?

>> No.4376407

>>4376391
Huh? This is my first post in the thread.

>> No.4376416

>>4376407
Oh sorry...

>> No.4376475

>>4376243
This. It's not hard, it's tedious. Lots of people get that mixed up.

>> No.4376507

Look, you try being 12 and figuring that shit out.

>> No.4376509

Ok, I recall there was one key that requires you to push a block up with the water, go underneath it and look up for a grate or something. Really tricked me as a kid.

>> No.4376554

>>4376241
>normie
That is a normalfag way of saying normalfag. Get back to /v/ normalfag, you don't belong here.

As for your question people seem to confuse boring and tedious with hard nowadays.

>> No.4376640

>>4376243
>>4376475
The entire franchise is tedious to play minus the NES games.

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I post these two pages every time this comes up, actually.

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>>4376564

>> No.4376959

>>4376640
Agreed. Even the Sonic games are marginally better

>> No.4376971

the water level raising gimmick combined with the iron boots make it one of the most tedious and unfun dungeons in the game. Also I believe you can severely fuck yourself over depending on where you use the small keys. Normies of course blow this out of proportion

>> No.4377120

>>4376362
>not getting so far lost in the music that you lose track of time until you notice there's no music playing and you realize the album's done
Pleb.

>> No.4377173

>>4377120
This. Also
>not listening to concept albums where the songs all flow into each other and the lyrics tell a whole narrative from beginning to end
Kids nowadays with their itunes and shit have completely lost the concept of an album as a whole

>> No.4377181

>>4377173
Yep. It's a natural effect of being able to buy songs individually. Used to be that you had to buy the whole album to get that one song you wanted, so the "Eh, let's see of the rest of the album is any good" effect was in play. Not anymore, thanks to technological progress. So a lot of these kids miss out.

>> No.4377184

Normies don't play 19 year-old games, OP.

>> No.4377195

It's not hard at all, there's nothing about it that's difficult.

The main reasons Nintendo decided to put indications on the walls and real time switching equipment is because people just got tired of doing the switching and looking at the same walls over and over. I guess... some folks got lost? Maybe? A lot of this "difficulty" is attributed to that.

>> No.4377215

>>4377184

N64 was the ultimate normie machine. Millions more normies played the 3ds remake.

>> No.4377228

Because from my own experience and reading a couple of these threads there are two switches that are easily overlooked. I remember missing the switch shown in the cutscene when you raise the water in the mid tower, the other I don't know.

>> No.4377247

>>4377184
Normies existed 19 years ago, anon.

>> No.4377498

ITT: Everyone who is better than you at video games is a nerd; everyone who is worse than you is a normie.

>> No.4377575

>>4376241

If you play the underwater dungeon in Megaman Legends 2, you will never complain about the Water Temple again.

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>>4377575
MML2 actually has good controls, visuals, characters, cutscenes, gameplay, and humour though so it's not as soul-crushing to go through as the Water Temple.

What's there to look forward to when you finish the Water Temple? More fucking annoying quotes from annoying cunts like the owl or the fish bitch that can't be skipped and make you accidentally repeat when you tap A.

What's there to look forward to in MML2? Only some hilarious cutscenes and actual character development.

>> No.4377583

>>4376241
Because OOT is the dopest Zelda of all time

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>>4377583
Being the dopest Zelda game is like being the most pleasurable form of skin cancer TBF.

NiGHTS Into Dreams >>>>>>>>>> the entire N64 library, and the entire library of Nintendo as a whole.

>> No.4377634

>>4376241
Well, I would say it is an above average difficult puzzle and because this is a later level this is perfectly fine, and not too difficult. It is definitive not too hard as some people say. Zelda games always should have puzzles of this difficulty in later dungeons. You have to think only 2 or 3 steps ahead which is okay.

>> No.4377723

>>4377590
N64 haters on the internet are so mad lel

>> No.4377727

>>4376328
Parallel Worlds?

>> No.4377729

>>4377723
I'm not mad, it's better only true intellectuals like myself appreciate the Saturn than for normies to overrun it.

>> No.4377760

>>4376241
It was only because in the original, in that tower thing it did not show you there was a hole when the water rose. people walked around for hours not knowing about it. this was changed in the 3ds remake, also added color coding to the tower itself

>> No.4377821

>>4377590
Night is pretty boring, to be honest. Very nice to look at though.

>> No.4377848

>>4377821
I haven't actually played it myself I just love it for the deep lore, plot, characters, dialogue and imaginative setting.

>> No.4377851

>it’s an “OP is autistic and has difficulty understanding other people’s behavior” thread

>> No.4378079

why do normalfags always out themselves by saying normie?

>> No.4378080

>>4376328
>Nintendo sends you a wifebeater and the Master Pro Deer Hunter Rifle
>First one hundred winners get the Plaid tunic and Muddin' Boots
>An AI calls your phone constantly claiming to either be Navi, Tatl, Ghirahim or Fi wanting to make out in your garage while watching nature documentaries
>The king of red lions starts blogging about you to negative press

>> No.4378089

>>4378079
Gwen Stacy guilt complex from comic books I guess now let's obsess pointlessly over another property that makes you secretly question what you're doing.

>> No.4378091

>>4377851
OP is a fancy trendy gentleman, you just don't want to admit it.

>> No.4378160

Not hard, just tedious, and the amount of backtracking and raising the water level makes it easy to forget a key.

>> No.4378229

>>4376640
>The most tedious game in the series is somehow the "less tedious"
Zelda 1 sucks, maybe it's more ""replayable"" because "muh dick for sequence breaking" that /vr/ has, but ALttP is a far better experience, more fun in every aspect.

>> No.4378986

>>4376241
it's less that it's "hard" and more that it sucks

>> No.4379305

>>4376241
They don't. Only tards do. Also, anyone who calls people normies is a normie. Being a pajamaboy who desperately wants to be part of some secret club of non-normies is the norm.

>> No.4379697

Every single time I watch someone play this dungeon they always miss the one key at the bottom of the central room and they get stuck forever.

In the 3DS remake, if you raise the water inside the central room, it shows a VERY long camera angle of exactly where the key is.

>> No.4379750

>>4377727
surprisingly easy if you know what to do. beat it 3 times yesterday, without grabbing master sword/silver arrows and only 2 bottles, and i didnt even use the second bottle.
i would argue that doing vanilla alttp the optimal way is significantly harder

>> No.4379841

>>4376241
The dungeon is actually pretty easy to beat. Just go to the first floor and clockwork on each floor.

>> No.4379904

>>4379697
This

It isn't hard at all, in fact. That shitty level-design shits on your save and makes you forget about OoT forever.

>> No.4381183

>>4376271
>So anything that makes you pay attention, think, try things and generally not be stupid are "le totally hard and le epic breh"
This hurts my soul, because it's so true. The average person will dismiss anything above the lowest difficulty setting as being some sort of sick sadistic thing the developers created, and people only "pretend" to like it because it makes them look "hardcore" or something. They will of course draw all of these conclusions after dying only 2 or 3 times.

>> No.4382364

Bump

>> No.4382498

Because we were children when we played it.

>> No.4382528

>>4381183
Yeah fuck having a job or responsibilities. Let's play games 16 hours a day.

>> No.4382558

>>4376241
Nobody calls it hard, it's just such a fucking grind

>> No.4382570

>>4382498
This. My wife first played the Water Temple at age 25 and beat it in about a half hour.

>> No.4382572

>>4382570
>having a wife
get out normie

>> No.4382579

I wasn't a child when I first played it

>>4381183
oh noes, other people like easier games than me, that "hurts my soul".

>> No.4382580

>>4382572
Go back to r eddit.

>> No.4382585

>>4382570
25 is not exactly a child. Maybe your wife is special, as in "special", I dunno.

>> No.4383019

I think the reason people say it's hard is because everyone is retarded and misses the area beneath that one floating platform. I remember as a kid having to help at least two friends with the water temple and that's where they got stuck.

>> No.4383668

>>4383019
>not anally studying the map at every new room to make sure you didn't miss anything.

>> No.4383796

>>4382528
i have a job and responsibilities and i can still beat the shit out pretty much every game i get muh hands on. invalid argument. google a different one or meme one into existance. no excuses, please.

>> No.4384054

>>4376241
In my experience it's not the normies that actually complain. Have more trouble with, maybe, sure.
Usually it's "hardcore gamers such as myself" that meme-splurg about how hard it is.

>> No.4384353

>>4376241
They don't. They say it's shit, because it's shit. Not hard. Shit.

>> No.4386803

>>4377821

Do you actually know how to play Nights though?

>> No.4386805

>>4386803
With a controller

>> No.4386856

>>4376241
It's because it was hard when they were a kid 15-20 years ago. Typically a game that requires any level of thought as a kid is harder to complete than when you're an adult
I've experienced this recently with dark forces. I couldn't figure out the 3rd level (sewer planet) as a kid. I would always use LASKIP and go straight to the next level
Then when I picked it up around year and a half ago the 3rd level was easy and I felt retarded.
Same thing applies to the water temple for alotta people

>> No.4386886

>>4386856
speak for yourself
i have an iq of 187 and beat zelda 1 in one week without the manual when i was 4

>> No.4386893

>>4386886
Do you also watch Rick and Morty?

>> No.4386910

>>4377181
>Used to be that you had to buy the whole album to get that one song you wanted
Or you just bought the single.

>> No.4386918

>>4386910
>The A&R man said I don't hear a single
>The future was wide open

>> No.4386953

>emulate OoT on wii64
>menus take 5 seconds just to show up after pressing start

>> No.4387123

More importantly, which c button do you assign the ocerina to?
>left

>> No.4387129

>>4376241
>normies
Fuck off, normalfag.

>> No.4387134

>>4376241
Because it was long and involved, required a lot of backtracking, the boots made it tedious, and there are two dirty tricks in the dungeon that can leave you stuck with no idea of how to progress. It is one of the few dungeons in all of Zelda that forces the player to think in three dimensions.

I know we have this thread all the time, but if you honestly can't see why a first-time player might find this dungeon hard, you're a little dense. Once you know the tricks (or if you're playing a newer version of the game that made the tricks less tricky) it's actually a very good dungeon.

>> No.4387139

>>4376564
>>4376567
Fucking love these guides. I love how the writers talk in first person and shoot the shit about what happened while they were working on the guide.

Fuck, imagine being a hardcore game fan in the late '90s and having the chance to pull a bunch of all-nighters with your friends compiling a guide for a game that nobody else has gotten to play yet. Fucking cozy.

>> No.4387279

>>4386805
Ahh, so you don't. Thanks for confirming.

>> No.4387350

>>4376346

Can't be a completionist without beating Zelda 2.

>> No.4387358

>>4387139

I fucking loved VersusBooks. Never could find a complete digitized set. It doesn't appear to exist.

>> No.4387523

>>4376564
>You can't challenge the water temple until you get the Bow from the Forest Temple

I'm not sure this is true. As a kid I did water before forest.

>> No.4387536

>>4387523

Pretty sure the bow is required to hit eye-switches as an adult.

>> No.4388101

>>4377760
>people walked around for hours not knowing about it.
Did these people never even think to check the fucking map?

>> No.4388253

>>4378229
This desu.

I played Zelda 1 on an emulator and the secrets are ridiculous to find without a guide.

>> No.4388369

>>4376241
beat it without the zora tunic; spent most of time lost on one key (walked by it thinking chest was open). otherwise it's not bad, puzzles are supposed to be challenging

>> No.4388391

>>4376243
>>4386953
that where the "water temple" meme comes form?

>> No.4388425

>>4376241
It's not hard so much as it is slow and irritating. The 3DS version did wonders by remapping the Iron Boots. Either way, I don't think it's enough of a problem that it ruins the game for me or anything.

>> No.4388430

>>4382585
>reading comprehension

His point was that his wife beat it easily because she WASN'T a child.

>> No.4388603

>>4376268
I'll admit, the map, compass are very helpful for when I was a kid.

>> No.4388634

>>4376241
did anyone else find the glitch in theis game when Navi sends you to the next dungeon before you have the longshot?
>it's impossible without the longshot
took me fucking ages and a guide to get me back on track
FUCK YOU NAVI

>> No.4389853

>>4376241
>normies
fk off reddit

>> No.4389905

>>4389853
I'm so sick of seeing this shit, Reddit didn't invent everything, complaining about neurotypicals has been a thing on 4chan long before reddit even existed.
>but they said normies instead of normalfag
Who gives a shit, it's the same sentiment and "normies" as a word still has no relation to Reddit whatsoever.

Stop shitting up threads with these useless post just for the attention, you people agitate the shit out of me. This isn't video game discussion, this is meta nonsense, go complain on /qa/.

>> No.4389938

>>4389905
Not that anon, but complaining about the word "normies" and telling people to "fuck off to reddit" and such have long been memes around here. Just treat it like just another meme, and don't let it bug you so much. They're used ad nauseum, and I'll agree they're beyond stale, but it's not like we can make them stop or anything.

>> No.4389948

>>4387536
Can't you hit them with Din's Fire?

>> No.4389991

I get why "normies" is annoying, I find it annoying. That word started with the autistic community and usually with a kind of smugness, like the "mainstream" or "regular folk" or "the rabble". Then it started to be used *ironically* on 4chan. But then after a while people started using it unironically, in a way 4chan's own fault that we got infested with it. I still can't look at a word like "neurotypical" without wondering "is this guy actually being unironic or having a laugh here?" though. Agree about reddit being a dumb word thrown around though, you're talking about a huge website with all kinds of people on there.

I get stuck in games a lot so I thought I was going to be royally screwed with this but I just walked straight through like it was nothing. It was like some kind of miracle.

>> No.4390010

>>4389948

No idea. It doesn't *seem* like that should work, but damnit, now you've got me curious as well!

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>>4389991
I've been warning people for years.

>> No.4390230

>>4389991
>>4390213
These guys get it.