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how does this make you feel?

>> No.4373327
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4373327

>>4373324
livid

>> No.4373337
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4373337

I use this one. I always did. I'll keep using it as long as I play retro games. I don't give a rat ass about this autistic need of getting the perfect quality instead of actually enjoying the games. I play the games for the simple only purpose of having fun.

>> No.4373340

>>4373337
Using Composite cables is like drinking a fine wine cuppe between yours hands. It's absolutely barbaric and you only say that because you don't know any better.

Use S-video at least.

>> No.4373341

>locked 50hz games
>a wave of europoors claiming how they all had 60PAL tvs and they imported all their games

Europe is such a joke when it comes to gaming.

>> No.4373351

>>4373341
Europe had support for 60Hz signals since the late 80's. PAL60 is a meme, RGB however, is not. Cry more, amigo.

>> No.4373358

>>4373337
If you're going to be that guy, s-video is a minimum.
t. s-video monkey

>> No.4373360

>>4373358
enjoy those rainbows in sonic.. oh wait

>> No.4373371

PAL > NTSC because better picture quality always trumps negligible slowdown.

>> No.4373373

>>4373324
>this literally triggers the Americant

>> No.4373374

>>4373371
>negligible
hmmm

>> No.4373378

>>4373374
I remember accidentally loading the pal rom of sonic cd in kega fusion once and it almost traumatized me for life it was that bad.

>> No.4373404

>>4373371
>a debateable improvement in graphics beats an objective downgrade in gameplay

Shouldn't you be on tumblr?

>> No.4373412

>>4373371
>negligible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi0mFh7Y1ro

>> No.4373413

>>4373412
dear god. So it's like a remix

>> No.4373415

>>4373324
Relieved. Only recently found out you can play NTSC systems in 60hz on most 90s-onwards PAL CRT TV through SCART.

>> No.4373416

>>4373415
better late than never

>> No.4373417

>>4373412
>>4373413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU8HrO7XuiE

>> No.4373434

how come japan was able to have rgb but not america?

>> No.4373487

>>4373324
Composite is the way it's meant to be pray as developed by nippons for mass market. >>4373337
This guy gets it.

>> No.4373489

>>4373487
japan had rgb

>> No.4373490

>>4373351
Tell me about PSX PAL games.

>> No.4373491

>>4373341
>>4373351
Like clockwork.

>> No.4373492

>>4373378
When I first downloaded roms, I downloaded the (E) versions because I thought it stood for English. I thought my computer had gotten infected with malware and reinstalled Windows

>> No.4373496

>>4373492
damn. Well it's still nighttime in europe so we'll have to see what they have to say for themselves

>> No.4373521
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4373521

>mfw Brazil had PAL-M, which is basically all the good parts of PAL except running at 60hz
Everything else sucked though. Still, it's good to live in retro-gaming heaven.

>> No.4373532

>>4373521
>heaven
>master system
lol

>> No.4373539
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4373539

>>4373532
Retro vidya is insanely popular everywhere. You can find circles of people that love their old game systems everywhere, and it's always a lot of people. Plus there's huge amounts of old stuff floating around for scavenging.

And not just SMS and MD stuff.

>> No.4373545

>>4373532
them niggas got famiclones too

>> No.4373549

>>4373539
>old stuff floating around for scavenging.
huh? Isn't all the old shit still being made new in brazil? What's there to scavenge?

>> No.4373556

>>4373549
The SMS systems that TecToy sells are just garbage emulation boxes. The *new* Mega Drive is a pretty good product, specially since it has firmware updates that fix game-specific issues. It's basically a MegaDrive(made using whichever pieces can still be found) with a built-in flashcart(reads games from SD card).

Any other systems and actual games, you must look into old stuff.

>> No.4373602

>>4373324
Makes me feel like laughing at elitists faggots who brag about muh RGB and then run the signals over ribbon cable. Don't get me wrong. I use RGB wherever reasonably possible but I don't do it over an old floppy drive cable.

>>4373341
>amerifat who can't believe the rest of the world has had multi system TVs for decades

>> No.4373652

>>4373351
>PAL60 is a meme
What about Shenmue 2?

>> No.4373657

>>4373371
>negligible
yeah... no

>> No.4373702

>>4373324
Indifferent. I have a VGA -> component transcoder. I'm glad it's an option for people though. Imagine being stuck with s-video or composite.

>> No.4373706

>>4373702
>VGA -> component
huh? for what, emulators?

>> No.4373707

>>4373341
>a wave of europoors claiming how they all had 60PAL tvs and they imported all their games

Most of the better Saturn games were 50Hz optimized and ran in full screen, and damn near every Dreamcast title asks you to test 60Hz mode right on first boot.

>but muh Nintendo

Nintendo barely existed in Europe.

>> No.4373734

>>4373412
>>4373374
>>4373371
We actually got a 4% speedup, since movies ran in 25fps as-is without bullshit telecine 3:2 pulldown conversions.

Only videogames suffered, and nobody gave a shit because we had a much, much stronger computer scene, where 50hz did not matter (in fact it was preferred because it allowed for 17% more CPU time).

>> No.4373739
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4373739

>>4373521
>mfw you’re Brazilian and have to live in Brazil

>> No.4373743

>>4373734
Ok, how about actually running the material at the intended speed? Was that ever a thing?

>> No.4373797

>>4373337
This. Sorry that I'm not jerking off over pixels while I'm actually playing video games.

>> No.4373810

>>4373734
>stronger computer scene
if by strong you mean shitting out some of the worst games imaginable then ok

>> No.4373962

>>4373743
Unlike Americans Europeans could write their own games, rather than requiring Japs to spoonfeed us.

>> No.4373968

>>4373521
PAL and NTSC are irrelevant when you could be using RGB.

>> No.4374010
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4374010

>>4373962
Yet you couldn't make games in more than 5 garish colors you stupid twat.

>> No.4374014

>>4373734
>We actually got a 4% speedup, since movies ran in 25fps

But you don't fucking want your movies to run 4% faster either.

>superior computer scene
Elaborate.

>> No.4374020

>>4373324
YANKS BTFO

>> No.4374021

>>4373341
games was sped up on the cart to counter the lower hertz on euro tvs m8

>> No.4374023

>>4374021
not always though, most nintendo games weren't

>> No.4374024

>>4374010
Those are ZX Spectrum games, one of many computers popular in the UK. I know you realise that, however.

>> No.4374027

>>4374023
Super Mario Bros ran too fast on PAL consoles, maybe they were scared of doing that again.

>> No.4374070

>>4373371
>Negligible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ErBf409Dk&index=2&list=PL5F3AFA3ACFF48193
Mate, it feels wrong in a game that is somewhat about speed.

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4374082

>>4373415
>SCART
IT'S CALLED A Péritel REEEEEEEE

>> No.4374093

>>4374024
Not him, but I didn't, except for Elite. I loved that game.
But please, show forth the other games that didn't come in ugly colors.

>> No.4374096

>>4374014
>But you don't fucking want your movies to run 4% faster either.

Says who? Most of the times the pace is better, the acting is more involved and the unconventional pitch makes music sound uncommon.

>> No.4374107

>>4374093
The ones not on the Spectrum.

>> No.4374134

>>4374107
Like?
Forgive me, but I'm not from Euroland, I don't have frame of reference on this.

>> No.4374137

>>4374134
C64, CPC, BBC Micro, CoCo, Amiga, ST.

>> No.4374172

>>4373324
Happy.

>> No.4374176

It gives me a good boner.

I connected my modern PC to a CRT TV through RGB scart, just needed some patching and that shit along with RetroArch is fucking gold. The only downside is having to use super resolutions (2560x*) to get this shit working.

>> No.4374182

>>4374176
As long as it's 240p, the horizontal resolution does not really matter.
Might aswell pump as much information as possible into it.

>> No.4374184

>>4373341
PAL60 and NTSC support was not some magic shit anon.
Most 90's kids here probably did have a TV like that.

I don't buy the fact that they all had NTSC consoles.
These days it's just a bonus as importing NTSC consoles and doing PAL60 mods is easy.

Not to mention, it's just a handful of consoles with games that where bad ports.
There are perfect 50Hz ports that aren't just slowed down.

>> No.4374190

>>4373707
This really wasn't a problem with console generation the Saturn belonged in and onward from that.
It was more of a problem with 16-bit console game developers doing lazy ports.

>> No.4374193

>>4373434
Marketing.

>> No.4374201

>>4373434
RCA strangled them out of the market.

>> No.4374209

>>4374201
thank god

>> No.4374210

>>4374201
The company, not the connector.
Just saying.

>> No.4374213

>>4373324
Your pic is a shit cable though.
Never use a SCART cable with (non)shielding like that.

>> No.4374215

>>4374213
I wouldn't know. I've never seen one in person.

>> No.4374217

>>4373324
I don't really appreciate it or care much as I don't know a world without it, as I grew up with it. But I'm pretty happy with it.
Especially because it gives you an option to shit on Americans when they say dumb shit.

>> No.4374238

>>4374210
Obviously, but the connector is named after them so whatever.

>> No.4374264

>>4374238
No, they named the connector.

>> No.4374289
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4374289

>>4373743
Actually, that pulldown is better, or else we get motion smearing or PAL speedup which is awful.
Pic related is ghosting from the UK DVD of Kiki's Delivery Service.
This PAL ghosting has plagued many of Studio Ghibli's DVDs in the UK and Australia, but some of them have PAL speedup instead, which is worse, in my opinion.
France also uses the speedup method.
And thankfully, they stopped with the remastered Studio Ghibli Blu-rays.

NTSC all the way, laddies.

Also, thank God for SCART-to-Component transcoders, and also HD Retrovision's cables.

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4374294

>>4374289
The whole motion smearing effect also affected the UK reruns of Clarissa Explains It All.
Also, what's weird is that the UK DVD of Spirited Away is sped up, but the Aussie DVD opts to smear the image instead.
Also, PAL speedup is really terrible, especially when I experienced it for the first time in my UK import DVDs of My Neighbor Totoro, Whisper of the Heart, and Howl's Moving Castle.
I did have the US DVDs and the Japanese DVDs but I also wanted to collect the UK, French and Australian DVDs. And also the Blu-rays when they came out.
Again, I am glad about the Blu-rays since they stopped this PAL shtick, even for PAL countries.

>> No.4374301

>>4374289
>>4374294
>NTSC is better for non-optimized NTSC content
Who would have guessed?!

>> No.4374307

>>4373337
Nice non-argument.
All you're saying is that you're okay with shit picture quality while still playing games and implying people who just want a nice picture dont play games.

It's shit like poor people say to make themselves feel better for using shittier things.
>I drive this cheap car because it takes little gas!! It's getting from point A to B that matters!
>implying people with more expensive cars that feel better to drive with and in don't get them from point A to B

>> No.4374350

>>4374264
And what did they name it after? Themselves. There you go, you pedantic faggot.

>> No.4374351

>>4374350
Yes, they named the connector after themselves.
It wasn't named after them.

It's like a king naming his land Faggotopia in his lifetime.
Instead of people latter saying that the kind was such a faggot and we should name the land Faggotopia after him.

>> No.4374359

>>4374351
>It wasn't named after them
Then what was it named after?
>they named the connector after themselves.
Thanks for the answer. They named it after themselves, it was named after them.
>It's like a king naming his land Faggotopia in his lifetime.
>Instead of people latter saying that the kind was such a faggot and we should name the land Faggotopia after him.
The definition of 'named after' makes no distinction between those two. It was named by them after them.

>> No.4374370

>>4374359
There is. It makes perfect sense when used in content.
RCA [the company] named the connector "RCA" after themselves.
RCA [the connector] was named after the company "RCA".

First one is fully accurate.
Second one just states that the connector is called RCA like a company of the time, but who named it or is there any other relation between those two? It's not stated.

>It was named by them after them.
That's correct.

>> No.4374380

>>4374370
>but who named it or is there any other relation between those two? It's not stated.
It doesn't need to be. It is true regardless.

>> No.4374387

>>4374380
Already said it's true. But it's not fully accurate.
Sure you can choose to talk broken English, Americans have for centuries.
But you see the little difference between the two words >>4374370 here, they have the same number of words in them, yet one delivers much more information.

>> No.4374395

>>4374387
It doesn't need to be fully accurate, saying it is named after RCA gives enough information for anyone.

>> No.4374406

>>4374395
>it dosen't need to be rgb, composite gives you more then enough information to play
pretty much the whole thread

>> No.4374436

>>4374406
Composite doesn't give you more, it gives you less. It gives you enough to play, probably more than enough.

>> No.4374440

>>4374436
reading comprehension?
giving more than enough information on the screen to play is not more or less, it's just enough

you can "play" doom on a 64x64 black and white calculator screen, it's more than enough to play the game
I guess it depends what you think is enough

>> No.4374442

>>4374070
I'd say I prefer the 50Hz Master System Sonic soundtrack. Given the game in general is slower than the Mega Drive version. Except Green Hill zone - which is roughly just the original Mega Drive composition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0V2ui-QPRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkn4l9aOw0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9qbpYnO0gU

>> No.4374449

>>4374070
...or you know, play the NTSC ROM on your Wii (or RGB modded Genesis) over RGB on your big PAL60 consumer Trinitron TV with RGB SCART.

>> No.4374453

>>4374440
You said composite gives you more, then enough information to play.

>> No.4374464

>>4374137
The CPC had a lot of games with great graphics for the time but due to it's similar architecture to the ZX Spectrum it also got a lot of ports that often looked the same or even worse than the Speccy originals.

>> No.4374539

>>4374213
It looks like it runs separate coaxial (as in separate shield for every line), just like standard states it should be. If it is multiple coaxial cables, it will be better than your normal round cable with shielding.

>> No.4374731
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4374731

So if i am an american and i want that beautiful RGB, you're telling me I can't with NTSC games?

>> No.4374735

>>4374731
japan has rgb

>> No.4374747

>>4374731
>So if i am an american and i want that beautiful RGB, you're telling me I can't with NTSC games?

You sound very confused. But 6th gen consoles indeed got rid of RGB support and replaced it with component. That ain't a problem with previous gens though.

>> No.4374765

>>4374307
>shit picture quality.
That'd be RF, composhit is fine. It's the best middle-ground for retro vidya and as stated many times, composite actually works best for certain effects such as dithering.

>> No.4374767

>>4373337
I've always done it the wrong way, I'll keep doing it the wrong way because fuck you.
'Murica in a nutshell if you will

>> No.4374792

>>4374747
No they didn't, only the US Gamecube dropped it.

>> No.4374802

>>4373324
It looks ugly. I've always hated it whenever Adam Koralik brings up RGB scart. It just sounds bad.

>> No.4374809

>>4374792
And the PS2, unless you really like green tinted screens. I also think that's the case with the Xbox.

>> No.4374814

>>4374802
>Adam Koralik
who the fuck is that

>> No.4374818

>>4374814
Some youtuber obsessed with Dreamcast and Shenmue. He kinda feels bad about not buying a Dreamcast or Shenmue when it was new. So now he has a massive collection of both to make up for it.

>> No.4374821

>>4374818
>buying a Dreamcast or Shenmue when it was new
hah. 9/9/99 motherfucker. Still have my box from gamestop

>> No.4374828

>>4374765
What you probably meant was S-Video.
Both RF and composite look like, as you already said yourself shit.

>> No.4374837

>>4374821
I still have my Dreamcast that I bought from 9/9/99 too. I even still have Shenmue 1 that I bought brand new when it was released. Which makes me a better Dreamcast/Shenmue fan than Adam Koralik. LOL

>> No.4374838

>>4373337
This is the only way to go. Anyone that tells you otherwise is an obsessive autist.

>> No.4374862

thankfully dreamcast doesn't require any of that scart BULLSHIT

>> No.4374878

>>4374539
>If it is multiple coaxial cables, it will be better than your normal round cable with shielding.
Round cables are multiple coaxial cables in one round plastic casing.
Unless you use really shit cables. VGA cables are like that too.

>> No.4374891 [DELETED] 

>>4374731
>>4374735
>>4374747
What the fuck are you talking about.
If you use RGB, then PAL and NTSC are irrelevant.
The point is that SCART being a PAL thing had also RGB support.

You guys are confusing shit up.

>>4374765
>>4374792
>>4374809
GameCube, PS2, Xbox, all support standard RGB along component, without any modifications.
At least in Yuroland.

>> No.4374894

>>4374731
>>4374735
>>4374747
What the fuck are you talking about.
If you use RGB, then PAL and NTSC are irrelevant.
The point is that SCART being a PAL thing had also RGB support.

You guys are confusing shit up.

>>4374747
>>4374792
>>4374809
GameCube, PS2, Xbox, all support standard RGB along component, without any modifications.
At least in Yuroland.

>> No.4374897

>>4374731
>t. I literary can't read a few posts up
see >>4374449

>> No.4374903
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4374903

>>4374862
how are you going to play your Dreamcast in RGB then, without having a PVM or using a shitty flat screen component input TV

>> No.4374906

>>4374903
vga

>> No.4374912

>>4374906
oh sure, enjoy your 20" VGA monitor while I play on my 32" RGB SCART Trinitron TV
next you're going to tell me you also like LCDs

>> No.4374917

>>4374912
where was it stipulated you have to use a crt?

>> No.4374937

>>4374894
Dude I'm in yuroland and I know my stuff, please don't quote me to say I'm confused.

>> No.4374951

>>4374917
>low res 3D or 2D graphics on a LCD
nobody sanes does that

>> No.4374952

>>4374951
huh? 480p looks find on lcd

>> No.4374962

>>4374952
those consoles, specially for 3D, used the CRTs native anti aliasing and dithering to hide all the jagged shit
on a LCD, specially anything bigger than a few inches, it's going to look like jagged shit

>> No.4374969

>>4374962
no it looks like jaggy shit on a crt too. That's what everyone complained about when using vga on dreamcast

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4374970

>>4374735
>>4374747
>>4374894
>>4374449

oh okay. My dream is to have a modded PC-Engine connected to the right PVM to play those beautiful games in RGB glory. Pic Unrelated

>> No.4375019

>>4373324
Pretty okay. Still using it for both the N64 and GameCube.

Sue me.

>> No.4375028

>>4375019
>Sue me.
See you in court.

>> No.4375056

>>4373412
Music was adjusted manually it had nothing to do with the speed of the game.

I prefer the PAL music. It's slower but it sounds much more fitting for the level than the faster paced music does. It's very.. mystical ruins exploring when it's slowed down

>> No.4375078

>>4375056
I don't know what I'm talking about: the post.

>> No.4375106

>>4374294
>UK reruns of Clarissa Explains It All

Other than teenage boners, was there any reason to watch this?

>> No.4375158

>>4373341
50Hz vs 60Hz is hardly noticeable. 480i vs 576i is highly significant and highly important.

>> No.4375160

>>4373324
horny

>> No.4375164

>>4375158
>50Hz vs 60Hz is hardly noticeable.
he probably means bad nintendo ports that slowed down the game instead of properly making a 50Hz port
this is a non-issue on PAL TVs that support 60Hz though

>> No.4375174

>>4375164
True. But how is it a non-issue on PAL tvs that support 60Hz? PAL consoles before sixth gen didn't allow you to switch to 60hz output.

>> No.4375181

>>4375174
M o d s

>> No.4375185

>>4375174
probably >>4374449

>> No.4375203

>>4373341
>post a picture of SCART, something NTSC consoles still supported out-of-the-box
>screeching americans crawl out of the woodwork to shit on PAL
It's like claps are analpained that their CRTs didn't have SCART support or something.

>> No.4375212

>>4375203
This should be the definition for the word "butthurt".

>> No.4375216

>>4375212
You mean the post I quoted, right?

>> No.4375218

what the fuck /vr/

>> No.4375226

>>4375216
Correct.

>> No.4375246

>>4374828
No, I mean composite.
S-Video is cool but also has its own problems, and composite does the dithering trick better since it's a bit blurrier.
I'm not saying composite is the best way to display games, but it's not a bad option either and has its advantages.
The only one that should be avoided is RF.

>> No.4375264

I'm pretty convinced the advocates of composite are the same people that add chromatic aberration filters.

>> No.4375267

>>4375264
>If you don't think composite is shit, then you're a composite advocate!
Nice false dichotomy.
Also nah, filters of any kind are dumb.

>> No.4375269

>>4375267
Who are you quoting though?

>> No.4375275

>>4375269
The guy who talks about supposed "composite advocates" boogeymen

>> No.4375283

>>4375275
Where did I define what a composite advocate is?

>> No.4375291
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4375291

>>4375264
>If you don't hate composite, then you MUST use chromatic aberration filters!

>> No.4375293

>>4375291
I didn't say that either. Read the post one more time.

>> No.4375296

>>4375293
You randomly assumed that people who "advocate" for composite pretty surely use chromatic aberration filter. What other hidden message is there?

>> No.4375306

>>4375264
WIN.

Your post was such win, you got retarded plebs stepping into a new bucket with every nu-argument they tried to make.
I must have laughed two minutes straight.

>> No.4375313

>>4375296
Where did I say composite was shit though?

>> No.4375329

>>4375313
Where did I use the word "shit"?
Come one anon, just accept your post was just a baseless assumption and call it a day.

>> No.4375335

>>4375329
I'll dumb it down for you. Where did I say "if you don't hate composite". Where did I ever imply you had to not hate composite?

>> No.4375341

>>4375335
Here's the thing, you're stopping at details that aren't important.
You said
>If you [x], then I'm pretty sure you must use chromatic aberration filters"
Change "x" with whatever you want, your logic is still nonsensical and funny.

>> No.4375381

>>4374137
You forgot the MSX 1&2

>> No.4375383

>>4374289
Those are fucked up transfers, not a fault of PAL, nor are they exclusive to PAL systems. The Mortal Kombat bluray for example had 29.97hz interlaced video.

And sped up transfers are better because they didn't destroy the video itself.

>> No.4375460

so back in the day everyone modded their systems to support 60hz in europe?

>> No.4375476

>>4375460
Some people did, for sure. The modding scene has always been a thing.
Some also just imported NTSC consoles and bootlegged or pirated games.

Obviously your average 8 year old just played the shitty Nintendo ports that ran a little slower.
Luckily this was only problem from many Nintendo titles and some Sega ones. Proper ports ran at the right speed and also used the PAL higher resolution advantage.

These days it's a blessing to be a PALfag though, all those huge ass Trinitrons with RGB that people give away for 5€ or even free and the option to easily play the NTSC versions of games that had shitty PAL conversions.

>> No.4375505

>>4375476
so sony just stripped out all of that rgb stuff from their tvs and slapped some composite in there and sold them to america?

>> No.4375567

>>4375505
it's called marketing
US was RCA land
no point in selling RGB consumer sets when you couldn't connect anything to it

>> No.4375569

>>4375567
so can they be modded to have rgb functionality?

>> No.4375575

>>4375569
not natively
on some consumer sets that allow it, you can splice in a RGB signal into the OSD (on screen display) circutry
it's far from perfect though

>> No.4375585

>>4375569
If you're asking this question, it means you shouldn't ever attempt such a thing and you're better off getting a professional monitor.

>> No.4375591

>>4374449
>>4375185
You're saying that if you play a NTSC rom on PAL hardware that the PAL hardware will output 60Hz? I'm suspicious about that as I didn't think that's how it worked, can someone confirm or deny this please only if you're sure? (I wish I had my old ~80s CRT tv to test it on).

>> No.4375594

>>4375585
ya but then I'll be like all those idiots in the battlestation threads with 14 inch tvs.

>> No.4375601
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>>4375594
pic related. How am I supposed to play games like that?

>> No.4375614

>>4374449
>(or RGB modded Genesis)

Ugh.

>>4375591
Not at all. >>4374449 definitely meant refresh switch modded. If you put an NTSC game on a stock European Megadrive, it will still run at 50Hz.

>> No.4375616

>>4375591
ok I found the answer - it appears that if NTSC roms are playing correctly yes that means they are running at 60hz, I didn't know that.

>> No.4375620

>>4375601
Sucks to live in the US I guess.

>> No.4375625

>>4375616
No you didn't. The game's speed is hardware dependant, not software. Do not be fooled.

>> No.4375626

>>4375620
what does that have to do with anything

>> No.4375628

>>4375626
That 14 inch monitor is the cheapest option >>4375569 has for getting RGB.

>> No.4375641

>>4375625
Hence it's easy to modify the console to output 60Hz.
You can play a NTSC game on a PAL console that outputs PAL and 60Hz. But RGB is better, you don't even need PAL then, just a TV that accepts RGB and also hence 60Hz.

>> No.4375653

>>4375641
Hence a damn thing. You want to switch from 50Hz to 60Hz and back whenever you want, depending on the game or your logistics. Also, know no European Megadrive will output color at 60Hz if not RGB, forget PAL60.

>> No.4375657

>>4375585
nice superiority complex, bud. people can learn things and do them.

>> No.4375661

>>4375653
What was the confusing part here?
RGB is a go, as already said. Why would you do that if not to take advantage of RGB in the first place?

>> No.4375664

>>4373324
noob question:
i recently acquired a sony pvm. I own a super famicom and i want to know if i would be able to get 60hz with a scart cable.

>> No.4375667

>>4375657
Modding a CRT to output RGB is not doing the same thing to a console, hell, even fixing a CRT is easier than that, and less dangerous.

>> No.4375671

>>4375591
Depends on the console and hardware.
Some are locked to 50Hz and require modding, some can switch over themselves.
Just get a Wii and play NTSC ROMs. All the benefits in one, from RGB to 60Hz. Unless you're autistic about muh originality, then stick to a unmodded console and RF.

>> No.4375673

>>4375671
might as well get a shitty ass raspberry pi

>> No.4375674

>>4375667
People who don't have a clue should never open up a CRT.

>Modding a CRT to output RGB
I'm sure you mean input. It pretty much already outputs RGB, on a glass surface, via red, green and blue pixels.

>> No.4375676

>>4375661
The word "output PAL" shouldn't have even appeared in your posts, when talking about US/JP games.

>> No.4375682

>>4375673
To use compost?
Wii already does 240p over RGB and has more than enough power to play any console that does not natively play NTSC games on PAL hardware, like fifth gen and onwards.

>> No.4375684

>>4375676
At the post that I said PAL, I wasn't specifically talking about the Genesis.
You can modify consoles to output PAL at 60Hz when playing NTSC games.
This is irrelevant however because you probably aren't going to use composite or S-Video when you have the option for RGB.

>> No.4375690

>>4375682
>To use compost?
To use composite*

>> No.4375701

>>4375674
>I'm sure you mean input.

Yeah sorry, what I was referring to is basically hijacking the guns input.

>>4375684
>You can modify consoles to output PAL at 60Hz when playing NTSC games.

By "consoles" you mean the Dreamcast, right?

>> No.4375714

>>4375701
>By "consoles" you mean the Dreamcast, right?
Actually you can put a PAL60 switch to both the PAL SNES and Genesis and they both will work fine. Playing NTSC ROMs at 60Hz with native PAL (well PAL60).

>> No.4375728

>>4375714
>Actually you can put a PAL60 switch to both the PAL SNES and Genesis

This is very odd. Wouldn't that imply having more than one crystal oscillator and completely replacing the encoder? I don't know the exact specifications of PAL60, but I assume what you'll output by increasing the master clock to non-european frequencies would just be NTSC?

>> No.4375735

>>4375174
>True. But how is it a non-issue on PAL tvs that support 60Hz? PAL consoles before sixth gen didn't allow you to switch to 60hz output.

You would either need to run NTSC software, or hack it. For example, on the Playstation there was a piece of PC software called PALPAR that could be used to hack PAL games back into NTSC using Action Replay codes. The irony here being that shitty NTSC > PAL conversions would then work pretty much identically to their original release (save the screen position which you would also have to hack. Properly converted games would cause problems because their screen display would have more lines than NTSC could show). Either that or just import or pirate the NTSC original. I bought all the games I cared about from the USA and pirated all the rest, I had very few PAL games.

>> No.4375740
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>>4375728
>>Actually you can put a PAL60 switch to both the PAL SNES and Genesis
>This is very odd. Wouldn't that imply having more than one crystal oscillator and completely replacing the encoder? I don't know the exact specifications of PAL60, but I assume what you'll output by increasing the master clock to non-european frequencies would just be NTSC?

Pic related: Running PAL Super Mario All-Stars in NTSC screen mode via a switch mod (protip - just leave it in PAL to start up and the switch to NTSC after it boots up and it will run fine, they only checked screenmode on startup.)

>> No.4375749

>>4375735
If you have a chipped PlayStation that's hooked up via RGB, it does not matter if you play the PAL or NTSC version.
The NTSC version will run like it would on a NTSC PlayStation.

>> No.4375751

>>4375740
So it's NTSC now, not PAL60? I just need some consistency man.

>> No.4375757

>>4375728
Check some mods, they describe it in more detail

>>4375751
If you run a NTSC game and switch to PAL, it runs at 60Hz using PAL. Only if you use composite or s-video though.

>> No.4375758

>>4375749
That's what he said though? Keep in mind late PS1 models supported both PAL and NTSC color modes, while the earlier ones were limited to just their domestic release.

>> No.4375763

>>4375757
>it runs at 60Hz using PAL

PAL-adequate timings don't properly support 60Hz though, you'd only get the luma because the chroma will always be lagging behind.

>> No.4375770

>>4375763
You sure? PAL60 is supported by many TVs, is it harder to implement on a PAL console?

>> No.4375790

>>4375770
Man I don't even fucking know what we're arguing any more, why are you seeking confirmation from me if you had evidence? All I'm sure of is PAL60 is an oddball standard from the late 90s even the PS2 didn't bother adopting, and as such 4th gen console output timings are hardcoded to PAL for 50Hz and NTSC for 60Hz respectively.

Outputting PAL on 60Hz will give you B/W, outputting NTSC on 50Hz will give you who knows what garbage.

>> No.4375797

>>4375790
>Man I don't even fucking know what we're arguing any more, why are you seeking confirmation from me if you had evidence?
I wasn't the anon posting evidence

>> No.4375798

>>4375790
>All I'm sure of is PAL60 is an oddball standard from the late 90s even the PS2 didn't bother adopting
PS2 supports PAL60.
Many PAL games have an option to pick between 50Hz and 60Hz. If your TV supports it.
So does the Xbox.

>> No.4375808

>>4375763
You're right, 4th gen will be black and white. Even if it is running at 60Hz using PAL.
Hence you should do RGB and bypass NTSC/PAL whenever possible.
Putting a switch on 4th gen consoles to switch between 50Hz and 60Hz is mostly easy though. Usually just takes soldering a few wires.

>> No.4375810

>>4375798
Except that's just NTSC you mofo. As I already said, later PS1 models could do both PAL and NTSC and so does the PS2. Just because a PAL console switches to 60Hz doesn't mean that it's still outputting PAL. As such, even post 2000 PAL CRTs which are not consumer trinitrons have trouble running NTSC in proper color for 480i and sometimes even 240p modes.

>> No.4375827

>>4375810
>As I already said, later PS1 models could do both PAL and NTSC and so does the PS2.
No, the PS1 can do both PAL and NTSC, but only over RGB. Else it's black and white on PAL.
The PS2 can do composite with color, so it's still PAL, even when you select the 60Hz mode.

>> No.4375832

>>4375810
>trouble running NTSC in proper color
Just like original NTSC TVs then

>> No.4375852

>>4375827
>No, the PS1 can do both PAL and NTSC, but only over RGB

FUCK OFF, like seriously. Don't ever post in this thread again.

>Else it's black and white on PAL.

I SPECIFICALLY told you later PS1 models output both PAL and NTSC which IMPLIES composite/s-video because they operate in a TOTALLY DIFFERENT COLOR SPACE (YUV).

>The PS2 can do composite with color

As opposed to WHAT? You mean it outputs proper NTSC on 60Hz?? I hope so.

>so it's still PAL, even when you select the 60Hz mode

No it ISN'T. It internally switches to NTSC mode and timings! People have confirmed this, and the large majority of modern PAL CRTs still crapped themselves with 60Hz over composite, because it's fucking NTSC.

>> No.4375859

>>4375569
Yes. All color CRTs work by combining red, green, and blue to make colors. Most people can't even do basic repairs on a CRT, let alone mod one. And CRTs that do it all out of the box are cheap enough so there's little point.

>>4375575
Yes natively. Just because an amateur on hackaday can't into CRTs and has to do it a silly way doesn't change the fact that the TV does RGB natively.

>>4375585
But muh Darwin Awards

>> No.4375910
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>>4374289
>>4374294
>>4375383
This is the PAL DVD of Howl's Moving Castle, it has no issues except for the speedup.
And since I really hate that the audio and runtime gets murdered by PAL speedup, I would honestly prefer ghosting over PAL speedup.

The Amélie Blu-ray is also interlaced but it also had PAL speedup in 50hz, so it was screwed in both ways.
Thankfully, the Lionsgate US Blu-ray has no PAL speedup and is in progressive scan 23.976fps.

And the US 2003 Disney DVD of Kiki's Delivery Service, which uses the same transfer as the UK DVD has none of these because the US 2003 Disney DVD is in NTSC.
It's not even present in the original release Japanese DVD, in the Japanese remastered DVD, the US 2010 Disney DVD, and the 2017 GKIDS/Shout! Factory DVD (I got it bundled with the Blu-ray combo pack).
The NTSC DVDs were what I preferred for the Studio Ghibli films before the Blu-rays came out.
All of the Studio Ghibli Blu-rays are in 23.976fps, regardless if it's from a PAL region or NTSC region.

>>4375106
For nostalgia's sake or because it's a great goldmine for reaction images and filenames.
Also, I legitimately think it holds up very well to this day.

>> No.4375913
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>>4375910
Whoops. That's another screenshot from Kiki's Delivery Service showing the ghosting.
This here is a screenshot from the UK DVD of Howl's Moving Castle.

>> No.4375929 [DELETED] 

>>4375701
>By "consoles" you mean the Dreamcast, right?

PAL dreamcast and N64 don't need to be modded to run at 60Hz, just use a boot disc for dreamcast and Everdrive 64 for N64.

>> No.4376001

what did we learn from this thread?

>> No.4376015

>>4373324
Looks fucked up for an early PC data port connector.

>> No.4376061

>>4373324
I feel like I've wasted my life and that I may need to shit soon. Do either of those count?

>> No.4377125

>>4375852
>No it ISN'T. It internally switches to NTSC mode and timings! People have confirmed this, and the large majority of modern PAL CRTs still crapped themselves with 60Hz over composite, because it's fucking NTSC.
I don't think there's a single "modern" PAL CRT TV that does not do NTSC natively.
Stop making shit up. The PS2 also outputs PAL60 over composite. There is not "internal switching".
The CRTs crap themselves because PAL60 is far less supported than NTSC on cheap consumer sets. So you busted your own argument here.

>> No.4377127

>>4375859
>And CRTs that do it all out of the box are cheap enough so there's little point.
He's' talking about US consumer TV sets.

>Yes natively. Just because an amateur on hackaday can't into CRTs and has to do it a silly way doesn't change the fact that the TV does RGB natively.
No, there's no circuitry in them to do that.
Sure, everything can be modified, you can even make a whole CRT driver yourself, but no, it's not "natively".

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>>4376001
that I can stop reading /vr/ for another several months or so

I come back for one day...

>> No.4378563

bump

>> No.4378568

I live in the US and have never seen this plug before. I have a TV and a monitor that I like and they work well. It doesn't affect me much.

>> No.4378571

>>4378568
ignorance is bliss

>> No.4378860

>>4377127
>i don't know how CRTs work
Most people your age don't