/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4372958]

Literally Fuck Your OCD: the item

[Anonymous No.4372964]

>>4372958
Buy a gameshark: The item

[Anonymous No.4373017]

>>4372964
PAL region gets fucked again: the item

[Anonymous No.4373020]

FF9 was a 6/10 game but still the only passable FF

[Anonymous No.4373029]

>>4373020
>FF9 was a 6/10 game
Yes
>the only passable FF
No

[Anonymous No.4373031]

>>4373029
Which other ones would you deem as such?

[Anonymous No.4373035]

>>4372958
I think it's cool they give you something if you challenge yourself with a speed run.

[Anonymous No.4373039]

>>4373031
All of them, frankly.

[Anonymous No.4373041]

>>4373031
All of them except 2, 8, and everything after 10.

[Anonymous No.4373061]

>>4373041
Pretty poor taste, dude.

[Anonymous No.4373064]

>>4373061
SaGafag or 8tard?

[Anonymous No.4373209]

>>4373039
Even FF13?

[Anonymous No.4373252]

>There are people that have managed to 100% the game while getting the Excalibur II.
>There's even a guide on how to do it at GameFAQs.

[Anonymous No.4373275]

>>4373041
Dude, XI suuuuuuuucks. I have a friend who got it day 1 and still plays. He spent over a year farming for a pair of red mage gloves or some shit that only gave a tiny haste bonus but were **essential** Bleh

II is the best in the series though.

[Anonymous No.4373279]

Literally fuck your OCD: the item.

[Anonymous No.4373321]

>>4373252
Reaching levels of methamphetamine usage that should not be possible.

[Anonymous No.4373383]

>>4373321
Ulillillia doesn't need meth.

[Anonymous No.4373390]

>>4373275
>II
>best
Hell no, broken mess. Best is either V or VII.

[Jibwib Simmerstim, Esq. No.4373396]

>>4373321

Or you could play the game normally, then leave it running long enough so that the clock rolls over to 0:00

[Anonymous No.4373405]

>>4373279
And then there's the castle scenario which fucks it sideways without lube.

[Anonymous No.4373406]

>>4373275

>an item is hard to get so the game sucks.

wew lad

[Anonymous No.4373423]

>>4373209
Yeah. Gameplay wise it's one of the best.
FF9 is the worst Final Fantasy because it takes so long to start actually being good and even still I'd give it a 6/10 like that other anon. FF13 is similarly a 6 but it starts opening up faster than FF9.

Most of the criticisms I've heard on 13 actually reveal that people who use them haven't played the game. It's like that "Gimmick is an easy peasy little baby's game" criticism.

[Anonymous No.4373431]

>>4373396
I thought that wasn't possible on FFIX.

[Anonymous No.4373439]

Never understood this game's appeal. I did finish it and all sidequests but Excalibur II. Still, I had no desire to attempt a second playthrough. The characters are insufferable, the story is a fanfic, battle scenes run slower than molasses, and there's no way to customize character skills. The last part was especially a letdown considering that other FF games for the PS1 had really flexible skill systems.

>>4372958
>"HD" version
Jesus, this looks like garbage. It's like they upscaled the backgrounds in MS Paint. I'd rather play the original game with borders around it.

[Anonymous No.4373541]

all mainline ff's have poor gameplay, with 12 being the best but only because it tried to be a single player mmo (which is infinitely better than random battle bullshit)

that said, 9 is my favorite for every other reason

[Anonymous No.4373763]

>>4373406
An item that players consider essential if you plan on doing later content takes over a year of doing the same raid three times a week? That really doesn't sound sucky to you? Okay.

I mean some must, my friend played a ton that whole time. But everything I ever saw of it looked dreadful and boring.

[Anonymous No.4373764]

>>4372958
>literally
back to red.dit, cuckboi

[Anonymous No.4373768]

>>4373439
That's because that's pretty much exactly what they did. They lost most of the original CG renders, so only the character models could truly be upscaled while the backgrounds had to be ripped from the PS1 files.

[Anonymous No.4373772]

>>4372958
FFXII pulled this shit with Zodiac Spear. I had the official guide and that didn't help.

[Anonymous No.4374059]

>>4373431
It takes 3 years.
Not joking.

[Anonymous No.4374263]

>>4373423

What the hell are you talking about, FF9 has the quickest start out of all of them.

In the first half hour you lead a group of bandits to kidnap a princess, had an exciting chase through a crumbling castle, battle aboard an airship, get bombed and crash in a spooky forest

[Anonymous No.4374269]

>>4374263
It was mere spectacle, there's very little actual fighting and you can't really lose. Not as bad as DW7, but still very dull.

[Anonymous No.4374270]

>>4373423
FF8 starts a lot slower than 9 though. It's all pointless school stuff for what seems like ages if you wanna talk to a fair amount of people.

[Anonymous No.4374276]

>>4374263
I didn't say quickest start, I said longest wait until it starts getting good, which is somewhere in the neighbourhood of 16 hours. 13 only takes about 6 to hit its stride.

[Anonymous No.4374281]

>>4374270
8 gets good less than 3 hours in.

[Anonymous No.4374297]

>>4372958
I remember i loved this game, played through it and beat it. Years later I wanted to play it again but with a guide. DO NOT play this game with a guide if you have OCD, I was stuck in the intro trying to perfect that choreographed fight just to get one of the only 3 moonstones in the entire game for like 3 hours.

[Anonymous No.4374372]

>>4374297
Doesn't even need a guide to be life-engulfing. I remember spending half a day trying to steal that one flute from the green giant boss

[Anonymous No.4374478]

>>4373768
I read once that similar resulted in FFV's mobile version looking the way it did, but no one used this excuse for VI.

[Anonymous No.4374716]

>>4374372
FFFFFFFF or trying to run into every dumb cuta animal, make sure to do the quizes too! All that shit was so out of your way you would never run into any of it normally. I do still like 9, but fuck! i just want the ark summon fucking square!

[Anonymous No.4374739]

>>4374297
Yeah guides just ruin these games. Final Fantasy is always super easy anyways, so all you get from going that far out of your way to 100% everything is that the game becomes even more of a joke.

I learned my lesson after throwing megalixers at Sephiroth for the whole last battle just to keep him alive long enough so I could see Supernova.

[Anonymous No.4374908]

>>4374739
he honestly spams supernova, even if you opened the fight with omni slash / highwind / doom of the living, you still wouldn't kill him before he would supernova you, stop making shit up. Even moreso if you killed the weapons first and he got his stats increased.

I mean hes still easy shit but he has enough hp that you shouldn't have to wait for him to use his most basic attack

[Anonymous No.4374965]

>>4373017

We had cheat discs

[Anonymous No.4374967]

>>4373423
>FF13 is similarly a 6 but it starts opening up faster than FF9.

[Anonymous No.4375008]

>>4373031
FF VII for sure son.

[Anonymous No.4376152]

>>4373020
What constitutes as 10/10 then? Because you're only giving us half the info we need.

[Anonymous No.4376725]

>>4374716
That shit isn't there to 100%, it's there for people to find a niche and chase it. People have completely lost the concept that a game might be designed to be played in different ways that don't involve just picking dialog wheels.

It's a much stronger design concept to have 3-4 side quests that all have their own twist. And then expect some players to chase them while others won't. It doesn't become a problem until you go full autism and have to chase every single one

[Anonymous No.4376849]

>>4372958
Protip: you can just let the game run until the timer clocks over and collect your free sword ;^)

[Anonymous No.4376897]

>>4374967
It actually is. I played 6 for the first time after 13 and it confused the fuck put of me. Hoe could the same people criticise the opening hours of 13 for being linear and basically one big corridor, and at the same time praise 6 as the best ff evahr, when the opening hours are pretty much the same?

It's even worse because instead of focusing on a specific team in a specific place it jumps all over. In one moment you're controlling one character and suddenly you seitch to another half a world away. Fucking game only becomes slightly interesting when you finally unlock the espers.

[Anonymous No.4376925]

>100%ing JRPGs
for what purpose

[Anonymous No.4376932]

It was possible on the PAL version. People say it ain't, but it was.

[Anonymous No.4376961]

>>4376925
>playing RPGs just to rush through the story

Read a damn book in that case.

[Anonymous No.4376963]

>>4372958
FF8 is currently my favourite retro FF since its the only one i can really stand to play, The character models in all the other games are a total put off, Ive tried to replay 7 many times but the megablocks characters are just too much, I know its a good game and I remember loving it as a kid but I just cant do it now, Same with 9 the bobblehead characters take me out of it.

[Anonymous No.4376967]

>>4376963
that is one pathetic reason to pass on a game

[Anonymous No.4376968]

>>4376963
I don't know man, I'd take bobblehead characters over the massive trainwreck of a story and gameplay that has to offer any day.

[Anonymous No.4376973]

>>4376967
Youre probably right.
>>4376968
No FF story is a work of shakespeare they all contain wooden dialogue with half assed parts, its only easy if you know what youre doing which the same can be said for any game.

[Anonymous No.4376980]

>>4376961
you must be hella autistic to think there are only those two binary options when it comes to playing JRPGs

[Anonymous No.4376983]

>>4376980
>plays JRPGs for the "story"
>calls other people autistic

[Anonymous No.4376991]

>>4376983
>plays JRPGs for the "story"
from what do you infer this

[Anonymous No.4377004]

>>4376983
>frog posts
>>>/v/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/ifunny/

[Anonymous No.4377005]

>>4376983
>He doesn't rush through the game and force skip cutscenes to get a weapon along with getting any single item and treasure possible, along with finishing every single sidequest and getting every single skill for every single character

>He must -DEFINITELY- be one of those fags that just do nothing but go from point A to B!

Get help

[Anonymous No.4377015]

>>4376983
>unless you are spending hundreds of hours chasing after arbitrary goals inserted to pad out the game experience, it must clearly be you dirty nincompoop who are doing this wrong

you are mentally ill

[Anonymous No.4377040]

>>4377015
>hundreds
You can 100% FF7 in about 25-30 hours. 20 if you're good. 15 if you're legendary.

[Anonymous No.4377225]

>>4374263
Not really. You don't really get the game until the Prima Vista crash site, which is close to an hour into the game. Everything else up until then is storyline lead-in.

[Anonymous No.4377236]

>>4374263
9 doesn't even get good until Bermecia, before that it's just a bunch of filler meandering around the world map just to get from A to B. Disc 2 is the only good part of the game then it goes to complete shit with nothing but plot-city some filler dungeons including one of the worst of the series Desert Palace then has a non sequitur at the end ham-fisting the story from FF3 and FF4 just because without any regard to it working in the story

[Anonymous No.4377241]

>>4373768
>They lost most of the original CG renders
How?
They spend millions of dollars making a game then delete the assets? Fucking idiots.

[Anonymous No.4377260]

>>4377241
Uncompressed data assets, especially visual and audio, are fucking massive. They often wind up compressed down to anywhere between 10% and 20% of the original size. That and reliable storage was expensive at the time.

I would not be surprised if the source assets for FF9 took up 15-20 gigabytes, which would fill entire hard drives at a time back in 2000.

[Anonymous No.4377302]

>>4377260
Squaresoft couldn't afford a few HDDs in 2000! That explains it. Silly me.

[Anonymous No.4377397]

>>4372958
But my OCD is exactly what draws me to jrpgs.

[Anonymous No.4377412]

>>4377302
the real reason is that japanese companies used to be super fucking sloppy with their assets and couldn't fathom any use for them once the game was shipped out the door

[Anonymous No.4377472]

>>4374908
Nah, that was actually my second playthough. On my first I was fighting him normally. I had heard about the move and wanted to see it but remembered my friend saying he was easier than Kefka. So I thought I should let up a minute but then he died on the next hit.

Some time after I did a second playthrough of the game and seeing Supernova was one if the goals. But I had been doing gil farming in the last dungeon and had Cloud set up with nothing but Cover and a bunch of Counter and Counter Skill materia. So any attack on the party he would block and then counter attack a ridiculous number of times. ( I think I worked out it was more damage that knights if the round)

Anyways, I went into the final fight one day but then realized I forgot to re-equip Cloud. So that's why everyone just threw a megalixer at him any chance they got. It worked though and ge died right after.

And that was the last time I ever played FFVII.

[Anonymous No.4377487]

>>4377302
Not that they couldn't. They didn't deem the expense necessary.

[Anonymous No.4377491]

>>4373383
>Ulillillia
Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time.

[Anonymous No.4377502]

I've seen this before I think but in FF8.

Is there something specific about Excalibur II that's relevant to FF as a series?

[Anonymous No.4377526]

>>4377502
Not really, it's just a powerful holy sword that appears every now and then in the FF multiverse.

[Anonymous No.4377539]

>>4377502
Excalibur in the games is a holy sword that's really powerful.

There's a fake Excalibur related to Gilgamesh that does shit damage in the games, Excalibur II references this in the note but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.4377568]

>>4376725
Hell, in IX there was an event dealing with the four fiends that wasn't even known about until somewhat recently.

[Anonymous No.4377584]

>>4376897
6's pass is usually because of the World of Ruin, which is actually a bit unfair because FF in general likes to be on some sort of laser focus. 5 and Chrono Trigger more or less work the same way in endgame, you basically can do anything you want in any order and the boss is there for however early or late you want to end the game.

Difference is that 5 opens up a bit more before second world when you get the airship, but it's for a limited time and you don't get it back until the end gathering time.

[Anonymous No.4377605]

>>4377568
More like "Nobody read the ultimania guide until now"

[Anonymous No.4377670]

>>4377605
blame the PlayOnline US guide for giving westerners a case of trauma against guides about the game.

[Anonymous No.4377776]

>>4377568
Yeah, I read that click-bait article too!

[Anonymous No.4377783]

>>4377670
Is that guide even usable anymore, or has the website died?

[Anonymous No.4377794]

>>4377783
Why not go onto playonline.derp and find out. You'll need code Sh31stoh1.

[Anonymous No.4378537]

>>4377302
For most things the effort of keeping assets around was not always considered worthwhile. Consider the amount of shit that is produced by company and how much could be needed to be preserved (every single iterative build of the game, every iterative model, etc.) and you have a sum of data and a file count that is way, way higher than the final product represents. Not to mention you have to have thorough documentation indicating what everything is, because no, not every employee in the whole company, and especially not new employees, is going to know every damn thing about every game. From a business perspective, games are a project, and because they have such large and numerous assets of questionable value after the game's release, there has not been much of a culture for prservation.

It's getting done more now because time has shown that there can be value in keeping those things, but at some point you have to evaluate from a business perspective if it's worth using the money to maintain all of those assets. Not every piece of code or 3D model is worth preserving from a business outlook.

[Anonymous No.4378541]

>>4377539
So is Excalibur II a more powerful Excalibur, or is it a cheeky reference to the shit sword? Is the Excalibur II actually a terrible sword?

[Anonymous No.4379492]

>>4373041
>do i belong yet u guis

[Anonymous No.4379496]

>>4373423
>Gameplay wise it's one of the best
Because there's no gameplay?

[Anonymous No.4379508]

>>4378541
wasn't the bad one called excalipoor?