Zelda NES isn't a Good Game.

[Anonymous No.4367941]

Daily reminder that 5his game isn't as good as everyone preeches.

1. Come on Nintendo, did you realy expect kids to read the manual?

2. Oh here we go, yeah just put random secret shit on random tiles so exciting.

3. No idea how to balance a game even after mario.

Pathetic.
>bb bbut muh NOSTALGIA!!
>muh OPEN WUUURRLL

Nintendo is always ahead of the times and needs to get real. Discuss.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4367951]

>>4367941
>did you realy expect kids to read the manual?

[Anonymous No.4367954]

it doesn't even have any waifus
how does nintendo expect me to play a game if I can't masturbate to it?

[Anonymous No.4367959]

Well EXCUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME, princess.

[Anonymous No.4367961]

nice low-effort shitpost of a thread, we certainly need more of that around here

[Batowl No.4367963]

>>4367941
Everryyybodyyyy hurttts sometimessssssss

[Anonymous No.4367968]

>>4367941
You're dumb if you don't think this is the best nes game.

[Anonymous No.4367970]

You talk like such and underage that it's ridiculous. Zelda 1 was in fact a phenomenal experience on release. The only major flaws it has is how limited and clunky the combats/enemies can be at times (something which was greatly improved in Zelda 2, the most underrated game in the series, comparatively). Besides that, it's still a functional and enjoyable game. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4367971]

>>4367954
Neckebeerd found

[Anonymous No.4367982]

>>4367970
Zelda 1 has better combat, tbqh. Zelda 2 has no subweapons, just a bunch of shitty magic spells you'll never use outside of the dungeons that require them.

[Anonymous No.4367986]

Zelda 1 was pure exploration, for poor kids with only 2 games was the best, month after month playing Zelda and discover shit

[Anonymous No.4367989]

>>4367982
Zelda 2 has momentum, speed, and thrusts. It's way better. Not even close. If you think the spells are useless you weren't playing properly.

[Anonymous No.4367993]

>>4367982
>better combat

tfw i replayed zelda 1 recently last month after not playing it for years and i just realized that the reason it feels so stiff is because all movement in that game is stuck on an 8x8 grid

[Anonymous No.4368081]

>>4367941
this neckebeard zelda is a good game...

[Anonymous No.4368083]

Hard disagree.

[Anonymous No.4368084]

>>4367993
It's a clunky game.

[Anonymous No.4368094]

>>4367941
>Oh here we go, yeah just put random secret shit on random tiles so exciting.
Totally correct. How will zeldafags ever recover?

[Anonymous No.4368095]

>>4367954
Imagination.

[Anonymous No.4368114]

>>4368095
>muh imagination makes up for shit graphics and barren dialogue
Cmon man, keep imagination to the magnavox oddyssey

[Anonymous No.4368170]

>>4368114
You're trying real hard here OP

[Anonymous No.4368185]

>>4368170
No im op

[Anonymous No.4368192]

>>4368185
No you're not, I am!

[Anonymous No.4368196]

>>4367954
I agree

[Anonymous No.4368235]

so how about instead for being a big arguments we talk about our favorite game? mine favorite videogame is super mario brother 3 for the NES :)

[Anonymous No.4368246]

>>4368192

[Anonymous No.4368268]

>>4368235
My favorite nes game is castlevania :)

[Anonymous No.4368269]

>>4367963
Thank you random anon, i got a good chuckle finding this shit thread. At least i got a chuckle from this

[Anonymous No.4368280]

>>4368269
>shit thread
Oh, you know it's true

[Anonymous No.4368282]

>>4367941
Zelda 1 honestly isn't good but you're a retarded faggot.

[Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco No.4368283]

[Anonymous No.4368292]

>>4367951
Not all kids are Arin Hansen. I fucking loved manuals when I was a kid because other kids at school would ask me how to play shit.

[Anonymous No.4368295]

>>4368235

I like Zelda 1

[Anonymous No.4368298]

>>4368295
Same, it's a fun game that rewards exploration.

[Anonymous No.4368342]

>>4368283
I killed the person who is responsible for making that comic so people should stop using it.

[Anonymous No.4368374]

>>4368342
No you didn't, I did!

[Anonymous No.4368376]

>>4367941
>1. Come on Nintendo, did you realy expect kids to read the manual?
That's a perfectly reasonable expectation. If you don't at least flip through the manual when you get a new game there is something wrong with you.

[Anonymous No.4368380]

>>4368298
It doesn't reward it, it's required for you to autistically check every tile if you don't have a walkthrough.

[Anonymous No.4368394]

>>4368380
You have to actually be retarded if you think that.

Every mandatory part of the game is easy as shit to find, even without the manual, as long as you actually apply a little critical thinking about what the old men say in each dungeon, or take a clue from the item you found in the last dungeon.

I certainly didn't have a walkthrough when I beat it on the gamecube collection in the early 2000's, having no internet at the time.

Also

>exploring required in an exploration based game being a bad thing

god just stop typing

[Anonymous No.4368406]

>>4368376
>Wait I'm stuck at this part, let me just crack open my manual real quick
Cracks it open
>Also need to see my notes
Looks
>it seems as though to progress I need to input this secret equation only found in the manual to progress
Those times are long gone. No reason for the manual when you have, you know, good game designers on the team

[Anonymous No.4368407]

>>4368394
>a little critical thinking about what the old men say

Lol, they speak the most broken english shitty translations in gaming.

>exploration = bombing random tiles and trees until you find the right one, but when you run out you have to go grind on some enemies lol so fun

all while listening to the same 2 music tracks.

[Anonymous No.4368408]

>>4368394
>Grumble grumble
Alright, critical thinking, let's go

[Anonymous No.4368409]

>>4367941
wtf i hate zelda 1 now
fuck dreldaf and fuck hylian people

[Anonymous No.4368417]

>>4368380
>le optional secrets argument
Every important or particularly handy thing is hinted to you by characters you run into. You keep parroting the "autistically checking every tile to beat the game" statement like it hasn't been proven wrong many times over.

[Anonymous No.4368436]

>>4368417
it hasn't been proven wrong, ever. Dungeon entrances are hidden in that way. Only the first half or so of the game is in the manual and after that you have to decrypt shit localizations.

[Anonymous No.4368443]

>>4368408
What's he grumbling about? Do you think he's mad that he's in a shitty game for nintentards?

[Anonymous No.4368445]

>>4368436
>it hasn't been proven wrong, ever.
Pretending you haven't been proven wrong after what could be hundreds of times is more autistic than your accusations even if they weren't bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4368479]

>>4368443
Clearly this means to go to field 5-J and bomb the upper right quadrants leftmost bomb twice and then cast the lamp in field 2-A on the tree that is approximately 0.16667% more red

[Anonymous No.4368490]

>>4368443
I didnt fucking care what it was about, I cared that he was blocking my way and all I got was "grumble grumble"

[Batowl No.4368527]

>>4368443
Grumble Grumble meant he was hungry. It's the same sound used in old fiction novels to express your stomach making noise.

[Anonymous No.4368539]

>>4368527

Exactly, though I interpreted it more as "I'm so hungry I'm ill-tempered and bitchy, fuck off little elf child while I think of where to scrounge up some eats." .

[Anonymous No.4368550]

>>4367941
>Zelda NES isn't a good game

Of course it isn't. The NES is just a not super SNES.

They did everything better on the SNES... so why bother with the NES for anything other than Megaman?

[Anonymous No.4368570]

>>4368550

>They did everything better on the SNES... so why bother with the NES for anything other than Megaman?

ur mum

[Anonymous No.4368584]

By modern standards of home gaming? Yes, this is a bad, convoluted game. However, by the standards of 1986, this would be considered ground-breaking and fun game, and if you were to try and appreciate the game from the eyes of some kid in the 80's who just opened this up one Christmas morning, you would probably like it a whole lot more.

[Anonymous No.4368602]

>>4368584
>modern standards
Yeah, it has too much gameplay, not enough exposition, it doesn't have DLC, game breaking glitches or cutscenes. Not to mention that a male rescuing a female is problematic.

[Anonymous No.4368605]

>>4368527
>>4368539
This is the only thing I thought of.

[Anonymous No.4368614]

>>4368605
In fact, this is the only way to use this word in English. You can say, "his stomach grumbled" but that's it. It didnt say that, though. It just said "grumble grumble", so from an english standpoint all one can gather is that the goblin is angry.

[Batowl No.4368631]

>>4368539
>>4368605
Grumble Grumble.

[Anonymous No.4368634]

>>4368527
>>4368539
Hardly makes any sense when you can kill him in any other room. But he's in this room so you have to feed him...?

[Batowl No.4368647]

>>4368634
It made sense to me. Even this site and others agree.

[Anonymous No.4368663]

>>4368647
It's a stretch that it's his stomach

[Batowl No.4368667]

>>4368663
Nope. It's sound effects written in words.

[Anonymous No.4368671]

>>4368634

It's supposed to show that *this* Goriya isn't a bad fellow; he's just hungry and if you feed him, he'll be nice in return.

[Anonymous No.4368682]

>>4368667
It's not a sound effect. The word means, leterally, a complaint

[Anonymous No.4368689]

>>4367951
It's stupid to say and only someone who wasn't alive back then would think that way. The manuals were great. They were filled with art and usually had an explanation of the damned story, names of enemies and all that.

Only some 90s baby who only remembers the shitty Playstation 2 booklets would think kids wouldn't read the manuals.

[Anonymous No.4368725]

>>4368689
It's a problem because all of that stuff belongs inside the game.

[Anonymous No.4368730]

>>4368725
all that stuff often couldn't be in the game due to limitations of the time. Do you really lack perspective that badly?

[Anonymous No.4368736]

>>4368730

No, he's just some dumb shithead that can't read.

[Anonymous No.4368898]

>>4367986
I think this is an underrated aspect that nowdays cannot be evaluated in context. To have a videogame that, no matter how many times you play it, there is always something to discover, it seems like the obvious design choice.

But nowdays there are just too many games and people prefer the inmediate reward to the accomplishment feeling.

[Anonymous No.4368901]

>>4367993
B-but that's not bad!
>tfw my own game will feature 16x16 movement

[Anonymous No.4368985]

>>4368730
They had space to spare on the cartridge! They could have put more dialogue in there instead of a worthless second quest!

[Batowl No.4369285]

>>4368985
Cry more.

[Anonymous No.4369315]

>>4368985
A second quest that reuses assets would take less than a bunch of unique asets.
I think you dont really grasp how games were constructed back then

[Anonymous No.4369320]

>>4368689
Manuals used to be great, even in the PS2 era (although less so than before).

These days, the only thing you'll find in a game box is a safety warning and a flyer. It's sad, really. Some of the manuals did used to be excessive (who needs a 100-page booklet in 5 different languages and 20 pages of 'notes'?), but still, they're better than the waste paper we get now.

>>4368725
An 8-bit sprite wasn't really able to convey the type of character it was supposed to represent, so manuals often had some artwork to remedy this, help your imagination a bit. Furthermore, games for the 8-bit era didn't often have extra space for long segments of tutorial text. Plus, it was a rudimentary anti-piracy measure of sorts ('if you don't own the physical box, you can't play our game').

[Anonymous No.4369347]

>>4368985
>They had space to spare on the cartridge!

They accidentally made the ROM size too large. I don't think they had the budget to start adding more features or major design elements to the game. Re-arranging the existing dungeons probably didn't require a budget increase.

[Anonymous No.4369392]

>>4368985
Hey at least they gave us a second quest without trying to squeeze extra money out of the consumer (BOTW anyone?)

[Anonymous No.4370117]

>>4369285
No, it's retarded

[Anonymous No.4370150]

>>4367941
It is definitely not as good as its legend or legacy would have people believe. Even the GB had much better Zelda games. The game is still pretty decent despite its age though.

[Anonymous No.4370158]

>>4367941
>1. Come on Nintendo, did you realy expect kids to read the manual?
It's irrelevant anyways.
Any game that needs a manual to play or progress is already broken.

[Anonymous No.4370161]

>>4368376
No, it's just bad design.

[Anonymous No.4370167]

>>4368407
>reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.4370169]

>>4367941
>Come on Nintendo, did you realy expect kids to read the manual?

>be kid
>buy game
>excitedly read manual during car ride home

OP confirmed for Gen Z pretender whining about shit from a decade before he was even born.

[Anonymous No.4370170]

>>4370158
God help you if you ever get a job in a workshop.

[Anonymous No.4370171]

wrong

[Anonymous No.4370175]

>>4370170
>comparing playing a game to working machinery
I think you need a manual just to post proper arguments, anon.

[Anonymous No.4370241]

>>4367986
This.
When I was 6-7, it was one of the few things I had to play.
And GOD DAMN was it good.
Then I got Zelda II. GOD DAMN it was good too!
Two Zelda games, both different. In the late-80s and early 90s Zelda 1,2, and ALttP pretty much ruled the average kid's life. Even at recess(though there it usually had to share with TMNT)
The only way you can dislike either title is if-
1. You're an asshole
2. You don't like videogames(see 1)

[Anonymous No.4370289]

>this thread AGAIN
>people are genuinely and honestly responding to bait AGAIN
is /vr/ just constantly rotating users to the extent that nobody has been here for a full week, long enough to have seen this exact brand of shitpost 8 or 9 times

[Batowl No.4370352]

>>4370117
Delete yourself.

[Anonymous No.4370443]

>>4370289
It's not bait. I tried picking up and playing LoZ for the first time a couple of years ago. God help you if you don't know that the manual contains a guide on how to reach the first few dungeons. After that though? Good luck decrypting the stupid nonsense bullshit that the paltry few NPCs bother to say.

Couple that with completely randomized enemy AIs in the dungeons, it's just not very fun at all.

[Anonymous No.4370463]

>>4370443
>having trouble finding the first dungeon
>decrypting stupid nonsense
>completely randomized enemy AIs

In other words, you never actually played LoZ and admit you've been shitposting about how bad it is just for attention's sake. Why do you do this with your life? It's not healthy to do the same thing over and over again. Same to those who keep taking his terrible bait.

[Anonymous No.4370468]

>>4370463
You mean you couldn't tell the AI for the enemies was randomized? The knights turn around and change whatever they're doing instantaneously with no rhyme or reason.

Who's talking about the first dungeon? You're just being a hyperbolic faggot because you know the game is flawed garbage.

[Anonymous No.4370547]

>>4370468
There's nothing wrong with the ai. Or the game.

[Anonymous No.4370553]

>>4370547
>having to use weird programming quirks to bypass randomized enemy AI because swording them as intended is a complete crapshoot

Really made me think.

[Anonymous No.4370567]

>>4367941
Purely opinion, therefore shit post.

[Anonymous No.4370576]

>>4370553

Yeah, it makes everyone think you're wrong.

lol at the "intended" part especially.

[Anonymous No.4370589]

It's a good game but have a guide ready for if you get stuck.

>omfg you r retarded i r so smart was able to do it all myself

[Anonymous No.4370590]

>>4370553
The ai isn't randomized. They're programmed to wander then chase you when spotted on a 4 grid. The image is just saying how to destroy darknuts faster. Bombs always work the best.

You're crying about using thinking in a exploration puzzle game. I wonder if you cry about this in resident evil games too?

Kids in the 1980s are smarter than your feeble self.

[Anonymous No.4370595]

>>4370576
They obviously intended for the player to want to attack them in the behind with either a sword or a bomb. The fact is that the AI is so fucked and cheap that you have to use a quirk like "directional explosions" to exploit them to death. Great design. Really brilliant minds over there at Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.4370602]

>>4370595
>They obviously intended
For the game to be played as it exists, in which case the pic is correct and you are not.

[Anonymous No.4370607]

>>4370553

Where did you get the idea Darknuts were supposed to be fought with your sword?

[Anonymous No.4370623]

>>4370595

No, only a retard tries to sneak up on a Darknut and stab it in the ass. They are supposed to be attacked from the sides or by planting bombs allahu akbar-style.

You are even offered bomb upgrades to facilitate this (as well as help with finding secrets on the overworld)

[Anonymous No.4370627]

>>4370623
Good luck getting to its side when it decided to stop on a dime and make an instant 1 frame course correction up your ass.

[Anonymous No.4370651]

>>4370627

And that's when you plant a bomb and run like a little elven terrorist.

Are you really so stupid you're trying to engage them close-quarters? 'Cause that's like walking straight into a goddamned blender.

[Anonymous No.4370664]

>>4367941
1.We always read the manual on the ride home.

2.If you got stuck you could just call the Nintendo hotline for the game walkthrough

[Anonymous No.4370672]

>>4370627
Stick and move, then. Are you letting them run you down? Don't let them do that.

[Anonymous No.4370682]

>>4370627
Boop

[Anonymous No.4370704]

>>4368408

[Anonymous No.4371112]

>>4367941
Itt: Newfag talks about game from before he was born, and old fart nostalgiafags try to make him understand the situation from a bygone point of view. Classic /vr...

[Anonymous No.4371132]

>>4371112
there's plenty of antiquated games from before I was born that I love. None of them are as retarded as LoZ

[Anonymous No.4371182]

>>4371132
The point I'm trying to make is that everyone in this thread is retarded.

[Anonymous No.4371228]

>>4370463
>complains about people falling for bait
>falls for it

Like clockwork.

[Anonymous No.4371294]

>>4371228

[Anonymous No.4371351]

>>4371182

But you are in this thread, Anon...

[Anonymous No.4371551]

>>4370158
>not buying a new item as soon as you see it
>it's fucking meat. probably a healing item or something right

what are you poor or something? how much does it cost i forget? you should have just found the food on your own by exploring the map. the only reason you had to "backtrack" and figure out the great mystery is because you aren't good at the game

and yeah everybody read the box, manual, and the credits back then

[Anonymous No.4373296]

Are people really so retarded that they find any of the dungeons in the first quest difficult to find in the slightest?

I kind of get the fountain without a fairy, though the old man's hint about it seemed pretty fucking obvious to me, and if you don't have the manual, it might not occur to you what spectacle rock is, but the exploration in this game isn't that hard to figure out in the first quest unless you've got a learning disability.

[Anonymous No.4373451]

>>4373296
What clue is "Grumble Grumble" telling me?

[Anonymous No.4373456]

>>4371551
>how much does it cost i forget

60 or 80 rupees, depending on vendor.

[Anonymous No.4373460]

>>4373451
Do you have a stomach?

[Anonymous No.4373723]

>>4367941
>1. Come on Nintendo, did you realy expect kids to read the manual?
your age is showing

[Anonymous No.4373741]

>>4367941
Despite the flaws you mentioned, I still think it's alright.

[Anonymous No.4373819]

>>4373460
I have never heard of a grumbling stomach in my life, sorry.

[Anonymous No.4373830]

Oh look, it's the weekly Zelda 1 sucks thread.

Weekly reminder that all we need to do is to NOT reply to shit tier troll threads like this if we don't want to see more threads like this.

[Anonymous No.4373845]

>>4373830
>zelda 1 is a game with no flaws and anybody who thinks so must be a troll

[Anonymous No.4374106]

>>4373723
As game design improved, the need for manuals decreased. It's alright to admit that some concepts are archaic.

[Anonymous No.4374109]

>>4374106
Yes, they make games with retards in mind.

[Anonymous No.4374129]

>>4374109
>doesn't understand that manuals are redundant
It's also ok to admit that you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.4374986]

>>4373830
I guess it sucks.

[Anonymous No.4375017]

>>4367941
You came in here just to be a faggot?

[Anonymous No.4375047]

>>4368376
>tfw you will never buy a new game then on the way home sitting in the back seat try to read the manual with every passing street light

I used to also bring game manuals to school to re-read them when I was bored

[Anonymous No.4375082]

>>4367941
>did you realy expect kids to read the manual?
We LOVED reading them you underage retard.

[Anonymous No.4375548]

>>4367941
>Zelda NES isn't a Good Game.
Nah, it's fine.

[Anonymous No.4375723]

>>4375047
>>4375082
You guys are as outdated as the idea of manuals. You act like it's such a big thing but it's actually worthless

[Anonymous No.4376220]

>>4368095
What is it with Nintendo and fish waifus?

[Anonymous No.4376383]

>>4376220
What's with you and asking stupid questions?

[Anonymous No.4376852]

>>4375548
No, it's not.

[Anonymous No.4376865]

>>4367941
>1. Come on Nintendo, did you realy expect kids to read the manual?
That's what we did back in the day if we could. Manuals, guidebooks, word of mouth. We didn't have the internet.

[Anonymous No.4376870]

>>4376865
Coulda put more useful stuff in the game, don't you think? Perhaps more dialogue?

[Anonymous No.4378115]

>>4375723
I'm not really understanding what your goal is here, and why you are even on a retro game board to begin with if the idea of reading a manual chaps your ass so much that you feel like you need to come onto a retro games board telling everyone else they're an idiot for being okay with something that isn't any skin off your ass since this stuff is no longer being done.

[Anonymous No.4378286]

The first Metroid is pretty shit too while we're at it...

[Anonymous No.4378724]

>>4378115
First,
>chaps your ass
>isn't any skin off your ass
I understand you have an ass obsession, but stay away from mine.
Second, manuals shouldnt be needed to play a game. I get some games need that, and those are bad games. I get manuals from a collector's standpoint, but not from a gaming standpoint.

[Anonymous No.4378767]

>>4375723

Show me one new thing you nu-gamers have that isn't pure distilled cancer.

I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.4378769]

>>4378767
Online multiplayer

[Anonymous No.4378770]

>>4378767
Sex and a fulfilling career.

[Anonymous No.4378774]

>>4378724

You're perfectly entitled to your wrong opinion, Anon.

No matter how retarded it may be.

[Anonymous No.4378776]

>>4378769

Cancer.

>>4378770

If all you're gonna do is lie, Anon, then give up now.

[Anonymous No.4378778]

>>4378724
>>4378770
Spotted the retard.

[Anonymous No.4378781]

>>4378776
>playing games with friends that don't live across the street is cancer

Lol okay, but you'll literally never win that argument.

[Anonymous No.4378790]

>>4378781

Yes, online multiplayer is cancer. Only LAN Party, Packet Driver, and Split Screen are acceptable.

And paid multiplay is right out.

[Anonymous No.4378796]

>>4378790
So you don't even actually like games, you're just some badgewearing trendster or a grandpa stuck in the past that finds anything new scary and confusing. Sad.

[Anti/PFN No.4378804]

>>4378796
NU-gamers are the ones who don't like games. They're playing because of trends and then get cucked by their wives into stop playing them. They're also playing to ruin them.

[Anonymous No.4378957]

>>4378767
>Show me one new thing you nu-gamers have that isn't pure distilled cancer.
We have good games now, anon. Foreign concept to ya? Raised on stinky smelly games? It's ok, I understand your assrage.

[Anonymous No.4378959]

>>4378774
I dont get you people's attachment to manuals. Make a thread all about them, since you like them soooooooooooooooooo much

[Anonymous No.4378990]

>>4376852
Nah, it's fine.