Metroid II: Return of Samus is the best 2D Metroid. You all know that this is true and nobody can deny this because I said so.

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Anonymous Sat Apr 13 03:47:55 2013 No.436782 [Reply] [Original]

Metroid II: Return of Samus is the best 2D Metroid.
You all know that this is true and nobody can deny this because I said so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 03:58:54 2013 No.436839 It was good, but not the best one. Though it's a shame the spider ball never returned.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 03:58:54 2013 No.436837 >thinking that pile of shit is better than Super Kids these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 03:59:54 2013 No.436845 >>436839 Spiderball is in the Prime trilogy. Makes sense why it never came back in a 2D game, though, since it's so broken.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:00:55 2013 No.436851 Did that fan remake fall flat? Also have some chiptunes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBR7c-uYVhg

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:01:54 2013 No.436858 SM > Metroid = Zero Mission > Metroid 2 > Fusion

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:02:54 2013 No.436864 File: 44 KB, 345x595, 1365249974101.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>436858 >Metroid = Zero Mission

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:03:25 2013 No.436869 >>436845 I SAID IT'S A SHAME THE SPIDER BALL NEVER RETURNED.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:04:54 2013 No.436873 >>436869 I SAID IT RETURNED IN THE 3D GAMES

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:05:54 2013 No.436884 >>436869 /v/ pls go

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:06:24 2013 No.436893 >>436884 /vp/ pls go

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:06:24 2013 No.436895 File: 246 KB, 792x612, hovering_organism__metroid_by_samolo-d2yvnwe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Metroid II remake when?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:07:24 2013 No.436903 >>436893 >>436884 /vg/ pls go

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:08:24 2013 No.436915 I'd like Metroid II a lot more if it wasn't on the Game Boy. I still like it, but I think the platform kind of holds it back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:08:24 2013 No.436920 >>436914 >>436915 Super Game Boy improves it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:08:24 2013 No.436914 >>436782 I really wish I had the capacity to enjoy Game Boy games. But no, even as a kid I found the idea of the tiny screen and two buttons repulsive. It was either PC or console.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:11:24 2013 No.436938 >>436895 What's going on with the fan remake?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:17:55 2013 No.436978 File: 94 KB, 400x300, return of samsung.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>436851 >>436938 There's a demo avaible, just google for Project AM2R. The gameplay feels much faster than any of the old games, but otherwise it's pretty awesome.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 04:20:54 2013 No.436996

Superior linear map
Shortest load times (Super Metroid fails hard here)
But the jumping feels too slow

It's a pity you can't fix the Super Metroid load times with overclocking without breaking the rest of the game. Maybe I can add an overclocking control opcode to some emulator and hack the rom to overclock only during the loading scrolls/fades (and speed those up).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 11:46:24 2013 No.438860 >>436996 >superior linear- I'm gonna stop you there. Since when is linearity in a Metroid game good? I like Metroid II too, but linearity is not an advantage it has over anything.

>>	Screwy !BDcKesnEik Sat Apr 13 11:49:25 2013 No.438878 >>436869 sakemotor plz go

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 11:52:24 2013 No.438906 >>436851 >>436978 http://metroid2remake .blogspot .com/ Progress is slow, but it's pretty great so far. It does serious justice to the Arachnus battle.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 12:08:54 2013 No.439001

Think I got lost more in Metroid II more than I did the original. Would always find a "hidden" route through the walls to get to where the Metroids were, then later I would inadvertently double back the "regular" way, causing me to go around in a big circle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 14:02:24 2013 No.439867 >>436782 I have the actual cart. It's one of the first gb games I ever bought. I may have even came with my gray brick, I don't remember. I never finished it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 14:04:24 2013 No.439893 >>436938 >>436978 >>436851 >yfw Nintendo Cease and Desist

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 14:07:54 2013 No.439929 >>436914 I enjoy some of them, but I don't get the stupid idea in my head that a handheld installment of a franchise is on the same level or superior to the console versions. I like Link's Awakening but calling LA better than LTTP is just silly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 14:17:54 2013 No.440041 >>439929 Actually, a lot of people here feel LA is better than ALttP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 14:20:24 2013 No.440064 >>440041 .. and it's not. ALTTP is a more "complete" game. LA is more of a "play it while in the back seat of the car going to Grandma's house" game.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 14:23:24 2013 No.440078

>>438860
Because linearity means the developers can test and optimize the level design and enemy placement so you're always appropriately challenged.

"Non-linear" means you spend a lot of time wandering about lost, and the difficulty is wildly uneven. It's popular only with the kind of idiot who thinks video games are art.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:10:25 2013 No.440517 >>440064 >ALTTP is a more "complete" game. Whatever that means. Anyways, LA shits on it in terms of story, dungeons, overworld, and useful items.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:10:25 2013 No.440519

>>440078
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBR7c-uYVhg
I'm disagree. Non-linearity (well-done) gives the game the ability to be explored in different ways each time you play it.
I don't know about Metroid, but Symphony of the Night is a game that does this very well. After the first few abilities, you have a very nice sense of freedom, which is very rewarding on a second playthrough when you know what you need to complete the game with the minimum amount of items/exploration.
Later "Metroidvania" Castlevanias simplified this a lot, became more linear, and less fun to play more than once.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:13:55 2013 No.440549 >>440519 (Sorry about the mispelling and non-related quote, I rushed the post a bit)

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:24:54 2013 No.440631

>>440517

oh boy you're probably one of those faggots that likes all the unpopular entries best, MM, Zelda 2, etc.

>story
It was all a dream, so DEEP!
>dungeons
can't remember LA dungeons that vividly but I think I remember them being shorter.
>overworld
LTTP had a larger overworld with more things to find in it, in fact it had 2 overworlds.
>useful items
the only item in the game NOT directly copied from LTTP was the Roc's Feather.

That's it. Every other item was from LTTP. You were also missing LTTP tools like the magic cape, ice rod, bug catching net/bottles, and 3 magic spells.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:33:25 2013 No.440702 >>439929 >>440041 >>440064 >>440517 >>440631 In case you have forgotten, this is a Metroid thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:37:55 2013 No.440730 >>440631 >mfw I love MM and Zelda 2 the best but still acknowledges the qualities of alttp and oot. not too fond of awakening though why you gotta be so harsh bro

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:39:24 2013 No.440747 >>440702 kids will be kids no matter how old they grow

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 15:46:24 2013 No.440794 >>440519 Symphony of the Night is shit. Difficulty level is completely broken. The only way to enjoy it is speedrunning, and if a game needs player imposed challenges to be good it's a bad game.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:05:25 2013 No.440927

>>440702

it is true, I'm sorry, It's just another example of people making the claim that the handheld version is better than the console version which is a really odd hipster opinion to have.

Super Metroid is on so many levels better than Metroid II it's not even funny. Super Metroid is about the greatest 2D game ever made.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:09:54 2013 No.440962 >>440730 >favorite Zelda games are the games that aren't Zelda games why you gotta be so hipster bro

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:11:54 2013 No.440982 Metroid II is sitting in my GB Player right now. The last I played it, I had just gotten the Spiderball, then kind of lost any desire to keep playing it. I don't know why, but it just isn't grabbing me.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 16:40:54 2013 No.441216

>>440982

I could never get into Metroid 1 or 2. I finished 1 purely out of historical curiosity and respect for where the series began, but it was just so...eh. The copypasted environments detract from the immersion and exploration, and anything those games did well has since been surpassed by at least one later Metroid game (usually Super).

Let's just say I would not present either as examples of "aging well".

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:03:54 2013 No.441467

>>441216

I wouldn't so much say it's a matter of it not aging well; I mean, it is an original Game Boy game. Those weren't very good to begin with. I just played through the first Metroid again, in order to play II (which I had never previously played) and the original just seems more fun to play. Maybe I'm missing something.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 17:09:27 2013 No.441549

>>439893
The AM2R project has been going for 4-5 years and appeared on a number of publicized amateur programming events. So I doubt that'll ever happen.

The only things Nintendo seems concerned with are stopping the spread of flashcard devices and people profiting off their IPs, like that one Chinese LoZ:OoT clone a couple years back. For the most part they don't even bother policing ROMs anymore and while they're asspained over ISOs, doesn't look like a lot are being done about those either.

Now if this were a Chrono Trigger hack or remake, well we all know how those end. With a C&D letter.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:39:55 2013 No.444406

>>436837

>calling a game shit because its older than Super
>calling someone else a kid

>>436845

Spiderball in the Prime games was nowhere near the same. it only worked on a handful of areas, tracks where the spiderball would attack by magnetic force. The Spiderball in Metroid II could work on any solid surface and was not related in any way to magnetic force.

In before 'shut up Prime games are perfect.'

>>438878

Sakamoto didn't work on Metroid II. Ignorance please go.

>>436978

>tons of new items not found in Metroid II or any other Metroid
>many areas have been changed more than they need to be

Frankly, I'm glad Nintendo stopped this project. There's already dozens of crappy Super Metroid hacks out there with made up items and 'new' poorly designed areas. We didn't need a guy piggy backing on the Metroid II name making another one.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:43:24 2013 No.444443
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>>441216

Metroid II set the stage for all later 2D Metroid games in both graphics and story. It also has the best graphics for a regular game boy game. They even used it has the template for reverse engineering color into Super Game Boy/Game Boy Color.

If you're going to claim Metroid II didn't age well, you have to claim no GB game aged well.

Oh wait...

>>441467

>I mean, it is an original Game Boy game. Those weren't very good to begin with.

Well, looks like there is someone stupid enough to claim this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:48:54 2013 No.444479 Why do I get the feeling people claiming Metroid II is the superior 2d is because Super Metroid is constantly heralded and they want to be different.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:54:24 2013 No.444527 >>444406 >Frankly, I'm glad Nintendo stopped this project. you got April Fooled, you idiot

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 21:54:24 2013 No.444532
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>>444479

Metroid II is my favorite Metroid. But even I acknowledge that Super and Zero Mission are the best.

This is why I hope they'll someday make a remake of Metroid II similar to how they did Zero Mission. It really could be considered as good as all the others if they just updated it for all the casuals who can't play a Metroid without a map and 'graphics'.

And no, I don't mean that fan made project. I mean Nintendo themselves. And no, before you start bitching 'SAKAMOTO OMG!!!'. Sakamoto didn't direct Zero Mission. They could get the team that did Zero Mission to do Metroid II remake.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:01:25 2013 No.444574 >>444443 >aging is only about grafix

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:05:54 2013 No.444607 >>444406 learn your shit before spouting retarded things http://youtu.be/RqNb8Rv65o8=1

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:07:54 2013 No.444627 I only recently played it, and that's because I picked up a super-gameboy. Honestly super-metroid is the best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:08:54 2013 No.444645 >>444479 Eh, I always thought Zero Mission is the best 2D Metroid and Prime the best Metroid game overall

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:09:54 2013 No.444656

>>436858
Gonna give my opinion on the ones I've actually played.
Zero Mission > Super Metroid > Prime > Metroid II > Fusion > Other M > Metroid

Zero Mission just has the tightest gameplay, and even though the game annoyingly tells you where to go, it's aways fun to go through and try to figure out new ways to sequence break.
I didn't thought even though Fusion and Other M didn't emphasize exploration as heavily as the others, the gameplay was fun enough.

And I didn't particularly like the original Metroid because it tended to be incredibly tedious with its long vertical corridors and with the fact that you have to grind for health at the start of every game.

Which makes me want to google a romhack for it that gets rid of that last annoyance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:10:24 2013 No.444668 >>444645 Agreed. I'd rank them: Prime > ZM > Super > everything else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:11:54 2013 No.444671 >>444656 >I didn't thought even though Fusion and Other M didn't emphasize exploration as heavily as the others, the gameplay was fun enough. Oh god, I should stop rewriting sentences. I thought even though Fusion and Other M...

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:16:54 2013 No.444710

>>444406
>Frankly, I'm glad Nintendo stopped this project. There's already dozens of crappy Super Metroid hacks out there with made up items and 'new' poorly designed areas. We didn't need a guy piggy backing on the Metroid II name making another one.
I don't understand your hatred for this. You sound entirely irrational. First, it's not a hack, as a quick look at the website will tell. Second, ALL Metroid items are "made up". I'd rather have something that looks like this "piggybacking" on the Metroid name than Other M.
It sounds like you just hate fan games in general.

Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:16:54 2013 No.444714

>>436782
In a universe where Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero Mission exist, Metroid II is absolutely NOT the best 2D Metroid.

Not even on the best drugs in the world, not even in the strongest delusional state of denial, not even if you were to enter the Bizzarro universe, it'd still suck there.

Fact is, it's not only not fun to play in the least, the controls are just stiff feeling, the level layouts are linear, unimajinative and lack challenge in general, the plot was a cheap excuse to make a cheap sequel and its frankly juist a bad game all around.

It did have some good ideas in it that ended up making their way into the rest of the series, but that doesn't make it any better than the likes of Zelda 2, Mario Brothers 2 (USA), Final Fantasy II or Devil May Cry 2.

/thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:16:54 2013 No.444716 >>436914 The b/w actually works wonders for the atmosphere. Half-assed gbc colors would look gaudy as shit. Not to mention the game plays surprisingly smoothly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 13 22:29:24 2013 No.444831 >>444716 The colors look fine on my GBC. It makes it easier to differentiate some objects, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:26:51 2013 No.448807 >>444716 Metroid 2 had kept the GBC colour palette addition to GB games function in mind when it was made. So playing it on a GBC, GBA, or Super GB actually makes it look fine. I just wish there was an emulator that did it right.

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 10:37:51 2013 No.448865

>>436782
Metroid II was very good, but I think I would only prefer it due to the amount of times I completed it before I played the others. I can remember years ago, sitting with my brick in front of the computer with a whole world map up on a help site because I kept getting lost in all the cave networks; Consequently played it over and over 'till I kenew it like the back of my hand.
Stop going on about aging and shit, its just a good game.
Dis game.
Dem memories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 14:36:51 2013 No.450385 >>440078 I don't think your logic would work as well if you were talking about a different game, like Final Fantasy XIII

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:22:52 2013 No.453127 >>444406 Spider ball was good in Prime because it was limited. Can you imagine how broken Super would be if you could just spiderball over everything? Or if you could do it in Prime?

Anonymous Sun Apr 14 20:32:22 2013 No.453192

When playing on Super Boy, Metroid II is much better than the original. I just feel like Metroid isn't a portable game. Metroid Prime Hunters was damn good, but its not a 2D Metroid. Fusion captured the atmosphere of Super Metroid, but having a computer tell you where to go was kinda lame and pretty much irrelevant to what actually happened in the game. When it came to the Game Boy Metroid games, I always had to play them on Super Boy or Game Boy Player for GameCube.

Super Metroid will always be the best 2D Metroid though. So deep and immersive. Dat music.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 00:12:52 2013 No.455125 [DELETED]

>>453127

Metroid II was a completely open exploration game where the only roadblock was lava. The fact that you could use a Spiderball to help that exploration just further proves how open and free the environment was.

Prime limited your progress all over the place because of the items. At best you can say that Prime shouldn't have had the Spiderball at all because it was just another item that only helped you get past a handful of roadblocks specifically made because you lacked that item. Aside from using the Spiderball to get past those areas or a few helpful bosses, it was pretty much useless.

While you could play the entirety of Metroid II without even getting the Spider Ball. So it never became a roadblock. Only certain areas would be a little more challenging to get past because you had to either use bombs to hop or space jump. But you still had other options, unlike in Metroid Prime which forced your entire exploration progress to a halt until you got Spiderball.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 00:24:52 2013 No.455248

>>453127

>Can you imagine how broken Super would be if you could just spiderball over everything? Or if you could do it in Prime?

Both those games would only be 'broken' because they rely on your items themselves to halt your exploration progress. Whereas Metroid II was completely open about exploring the world, so the vast majority of items didn't halt your progress.

Hell, they even gave you missiles at the start of the game. Its clear they didn't want people to run into a missile door or a Metroid and be 'stuck'. Whereas in Super or Prime, if you come up to a locked door, you need to go back and get that specific item to open it. The only things that block your progress in Metroid II is having to kill the Metroids themselves to make the Lava drain.

In short, Prime and Super could have had the Spider Ball. But they would have had to change the entire way the game played. So in other words, Prime shouldn't have had the Spider ball at all if it wasn't able to let you use it fully. Because in Prime, its just another item you have to get as mandatory to progress in the game. Whereas you can play the entire game of Metroid II without Spider ball (and many other items).

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 02:07:53 2013 No.456126

It's definitely underappreciated. It's a great installment in a fabulous and legendary trilogy.

The atmosphere is much better than the original - more desolate, more isolated, and more frightening, especially with a bizarre and off-putting score.

All three can rightly be called Yokoi's software masterpieces.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 02:13:23 2013 No.456164 >>453192 I dunno if I'd call Hunters damn good. It was a decent FPS, probably the best on the DS, but it wasn't fantastic and it wasn't very Metroid-y.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 02:30:53 2013 No.456243 >>456164 I remember being disappointed as hell when I got my hands on Hunters. It was like a mash-up of a generic shooter with bits of Super Monkey Ball. I seriously hope they make another (more or less) non-linear 2D Metroid game some day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 02:32:53 2013 No.456251 I prefer the original Metroid, but I can respect you because you aren't a Super, ZM, or Fusion babby.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 02:37:23 2013 No.456270

>>441216
>The copypasted environments detract from the immersion and exploration

I would say it's just the opposite. The original Metroid is supposed to be confusing and disorienting. You're supposed to get lost. It conveys a feeling of isolation and oppressiveness exceptionally well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 04:47:23 2013 No.456786 As much as I love the entire franchise .... I would have to go with Fusion for 2D ... granted it is linear but the suspense makes up for the linearness of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 04:59:53 2013 No.456848 >>436996 ...load times? On a SNES game? What are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:07:53 2013 No.456875 >>456848 Slow fade to black, slow scroll of the door, slow fade in again. Bad attempt at hiding the delay while copying data to VRAM etc. It's present in lots of cartridge based games, and it's often fixable with overclocking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:30:53 2013 No.456960 >>456126 B-but muh Kid Icarus !

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 05:32:23 2013 No.456963 >>436782 How many times are you going to make this thread?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 08:02:53 2013 No.457387 >>455248 Well fucking duh. The way Super and Prime work doesn't allow for a free roaming spider ball.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 08:06:53 2013 No.457393
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>>455248
Super could have had the Spider Ball easily. Just put it near the end, like M2 did. The Space Jump is essentially the same item, mobility-wise, and no one is claiming that broke the game. You can finish the game without Space Jump and you can finish it without Spider Ball.

Prime, well..
>
I'll stay out of that discussion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:42:55 2013 No.457706 >>457393 >Just put it near the end, like M2 did. The Spider Ball is near the beginning of Metroid 2, in Area 1. Ya blew it, anon.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:46:24 2013 No.457715

The Spider Ball would have been completely fine in Super Metroid. There is literally nowhere in the entire game that it could get you to that you couldn't already get to with walljumping, IBJing, or other items you would have at the time you get to x area. Both techniques the game already teaches you.

Anonymous Mon Apr 15 09:53:24 2013 No.457732
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I think your opinion is a bit strange, OP, but I don't understand all the butthurt.

Just because I don't share your opinion doesn't mean I don't agree. I love all the Metroid games besides Other M of course.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 10:19:55 2013 No.457842 >>457732 >Just because I don't share your opinion doesn't mean I don't agree It actually does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 15 10:29:54 2013 No.457880 >>457393 The problem with Spider Ball is now the game expects you to bomb every single ceiling to test for secrets. If you're not following a guide or something like a big cheater.

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