/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4331827]

What is the best non-ff rpg, pre-2000?

[Anonymous No.4331830]

Planescape Torment

[Anonymous No.4331831]

Panzer Dragoon Saga.

[Anonymous No.4331861]

That was easy.

[Anonymous No.4331863]

All JRPGs are shit. Planescape Torment with ease.

[Anonymous No.4331864]

Valkyrie Profile

[Anonymous No.4331865]

>>4331863
>Torment
>game

[Anonymous No.4331869]

>>4331861
this guy gets it

[Anonymous No.4331872]

>grug lik simple japaens rpg becaus western rpg are to complesx

[Anonymous No.4331873]

>>4331872
>western RPGs
>complex
>literally table-top RPG autismfest and lots of reading

It's more boring than complex, although there are some good WRPGs, like Fallout.
Torment is not one of them. It should have been a book.

[Anonymous No.4331889]

Skies of Arcadia.

>>4331864
VP was good too.

[Anonymous No.4331895]

>>4331830
>>4331863
>planescape torment is a game
It plays like a choose your own adventure book where everything leads to the same page.

[Anonymous No.4331914]

Grandia

[Anonymous No.4331925]

>>4331889
I loved Skies of Arcadia, but I think it would be really hard to go back to with that encounter rate

[Anonymous No.4331926]

Suikoden for me. Though I'm playing through the whole Arc the Lad collection now for the first time and III is damn good.

[Anonymous No.4331954]

>>4331861

this

[Anonymous No.4331965]

>>4331827
Star ocean the second story

[Anonymous No.4331978]

The Ultima series.

Really the existence of FF doesn't change this.

[Anonymous No.4331983]

>>4331827
Breath of Fire

[Anonymous No.4331984]

>>4331861
OP here.

If you're going to put a DQ here, at least pick the best one

[Anonymous No.4332059]

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals

[Anonymous No.4332142]

>>4332059
I've never played the Lufia games but I do have them on my retropie. Are they worth going through? I heard Lufia 2 is better and you can start there.

[Anonymous No.4332153]

>>4331925
>with that encounter rate
You can always go with the GameCube version for a lower encounter rate, but you sacrifice the superior audio, VMU minigame, and 480p support.

[Anonymous No.4332162]

>>4331827
Ultima 7

[Anonymous No.4332163]

>>4332142

Lufia II IS better, the first one is really bog-standard JRPG.

The Lufia II remake on DS is also good in its own way, but it's an action-RPG with lots of story differences

[Anonymous No.4332169]

>>4332142

correction: as a lufia player myself, i can tell you that only 2 is worth playing. 1 is a very primitive JRPG full of grinding and terrible fetch quests. And my tip is to not beat the Ancient cave in 2 before finishing the game, because it defeats the whole purpose of collecting weapons.

[Anonymous No.4332185]

>>4331863
What about an action rpg?

[Anonymous No.4332218]

>>4331827
No contest.

[Anonymous No.4332250]

>>4331895
There are multiple endings though and actions like selling party members to slavery or feeding them can affect who appears in the fortress of regrets. There are multiple ways to defeat the Transcendent One as well.

[Anonymous No.4332287]

Tales of Phantasia. Good story and very dynamic combat system.

[Anonymous No.4332326]

>>4332218
overrated. Game is easy as hell

[Anonymous No.4332332]

>>4332326
>overrated
Nice buzzword

[Anonymous No.4332336]

Exile II: Crystal Souls

[Anonymous No.4332339]

>>4332332
How is it a buzzword? The game isn't as good as everyone proclaims it to be. This overrated

[Anonymous No.4332343]

>>4332339
> The game isn't as good as everyone proclaims it to be
Here's the thing: You can't prove it. And your taste/opinion is worth shit.
"overrated" is buzzword for "thing I don't like that others do".

[Anonymous No.4332350]

>>4332343
You're right but I agree with that anon. There are many better rpgs.

[Anonymous No.4332352]

>>4332343
I can prove it. The game is too easy. Piss easy. Final Fantasy mystic quest was harder.

>hurr durr buzzword
You're an idiot. Everyone has a game they think the rest of the world is overrated. It's not a buzzword just because you disagree.

[Anonymous No.4332353]

>>4331872
ah yes, stale reddit memes, the sign of a wrpg-playing mental giant

[Anonymous No.4332359]

>>4332352
rest of the world loves*

[Anonymous No.4332389]

>>4332218
>Reddit's favorite game

Short, Linear, Easy.
FF6 is better in every way.

CT is not in the top ten games of all time.
CT is not even in the top ten SNES games.
CT is not even in the top ten SNES RPGs.
CT is maybe able to reach #10 rank in regular SNES RPGs (not action, tactics, simulation (Koei), or dungeon crawler RPG).


Moreover, VirgintriggerChadcross.jpg.

[Anonymous No.4332395]

>>4332352
>I can prove it
>it's easy

That's your only argument? What about this: All RPGs are easy.
You're still buzzwording over a game you don't like that other people do.

>>4332389
>cross
If there's something that defines a Cross fan, it's their virginity.

[Anonymous No.4332406]

The answer is Xenogears

[Anonymous No.4332410]

>>4332406
Disc 2 though
>tfw we could have gotten a full game if it wasn't for FF VII
At least we got the Xeno series.

[Anonymous No.4332420]

>>4332395
>all rpgs are easy
Notice I said too easy schlomo. Any thing can be easy to someone who knows what they're doing. My retarded nephews can plow through CT without even thinking

>still stuck on "MUH BUZZWORD"
no matter how much you say it, it's still not a thing

[Anonymous No.4332421]

>>4332389
>CT is not even in the top ten SNES RPGs.
Then what is?

[Anonymous No.4332431]

>>4332420
>schlomo
Why did you even call me that? lol
>Any thing can be easy to someone who knows what they're doing.
This is kind of a stupid statement.
>My retarded nephews can plow through CT without even thinking
Nice anecdotal evidence... wait, I don't care.
>no matter how much you say it, it's still not a thing
No, really "overrated" is a buzzword.
However, no matter how much you want to force your opinion, it's still just your opinion and gues what: it's still worth shit.

[Anonymous No.4332571]

>>4331827
To be frank

[Anonymous No.4332607]

>>4332389
FF6 is also linear and easy. Then you get the world of ruin, but everybody in this subreddit hates it.

[Anonymous No.4332623]

>>4332218
>No contest
Tons of other RPGs exist for a reason, Anon.
CT is good, but it's not the greatest of all time. People say the same thing about FF7, and even that game is only okay.
Honestly, Chrono-Trigger is babby's first RPG in most cases.
It's not tough in any way, shape, or form. The score is good and memorable, but the characters are pretty generic if you think about it.
Marle is a princess who is at odds with her father, the king. My my, never heard that one before.
Lucca is the smart best friend. Again, totally bringing something new to the table.
Frog AKA Glen is your average knight bent on revenge for the death of his best friend and who has been cursed with his transfiguration. Completely original.
Now this is all fine, well, and good, seeing as pretty much every JRPG is like that. From Final Fantasy to Dragon Quest, to most RPG titles.
The battle system was nothing special either. It was Final Fantasy's Active battle mode. Real good work there. Totally ground-breaking in CT's release of that battle system, right? Right. Only thing they did that Final Fantasy hadn't done was give the enemies some battle animations. As cool as that was for an RPG, nothing new, nor did it do it better than anything else. Example: Dragon Quest 3 Final Boss.
Hell, even with the main story-line and the time travelling and all, even that is pretty bland. It's not like it did time travel any different from anything else. Even when talking about dimensions and all, wasn't particularly innovative there. Chrono Trigger doesn't bring anything new to gaming, RPGs, or the Super Nintendo in general aside from it being another title.
Now, all that withstanding, it still manages to be a pretty good game. A solid title, no less. It's like a jack of all trades, master of none. It takes all of these things we've already seen and puts them together for another story. It's not the "Greatest of all Time", but it is a good, solid game. It is over rated. But it is good.

[Anonymous No.4332625]

>>4332607
Shut your mouth before I fuck it

[Anonymous No.4332629]

>>4332623
I'm not reading this wall of text, but if you type this much it just further the point Chrono Trigger is the indisputable GOAT BOAT.

[Anonymous No.4332636]

>>4332629
>I can't handle criticism of my favorite game nor dispute it so I'm just going to disregard everything you said and pretend I'm smart.

[Anonymous No.4332638]

>>4332636
Chrono Triggered, much?

[Anonymous No.4332639]

>>4332638
You do know I'm not the guy you were arguing with before, right?

[Anonymous No.4332643]

>>4332639
"I-I was just pretending to be dumb."

Face it. If Chrono Trigger and FF7 weren't the best RPGs of all time, cucktrarians like yourselves wouldn't be trying so hard to dethrone it, yet it's all futile because in the end common sense prevails.

[Anonymous No.4332645]

>>4332643
>cuck

Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.4332647]

>>4332643
Pic related, just for proof.
>These games are the best because everyone says they're the best.
Provably false as well. Lots of people things that aren't all that fantastic. People really like Game of Thrones, and whenever someone tells me why I should watch it their only reasons are because it doesn't hide certain points of historical accuracy to the time period. Examples I've been told about are rape and incest. I don't know about you, but in the society I come from both of those are frowned upon, yet people still want to watch it for some reason. Outside of those two examples, I've only ever been approached with "But it's so good!" I'm sorry, but if you're not going to describe what makes it good, then I can't take you seriously.
Another example, there are people who honestly believe Metroid 2 is a good game. Despite them raising the resolution of the game for a screen not even a tenth of the size of most standard home televisions, and even the laziness in the music department, people still say it's a good game. But hey, that's just coming from a guy who's openly stated his issues and is still waiting on an anon to tell him what makes his favorite game so amazing aside from "Well everyone else likes it."

Grow up and get your own opinions.

[Anonymous No.4332649]

>>4332647
*Lots of people like things that aren't all that fantastic.

[Anonymous No.4332652]

Chrono Cross. Like it is a question.

[Anonymous No.4332654]

>>4332647

[Anonymous No.4332660]

>>4332623
>The battle system was nothing special either
not gonna go full autist on you, just a quick blurb: I still haven't seen team attacks in an rpg, let alone two levels of it, plus they actually changed their position when fighting the minions (maybe a boss or 2, can't remember).
>must....resist.....rest.........of................bait!

[Anonymous No.4332667]

>>4332660
>Rest of bait
It's not really bait. But you are right. Team attacks weren't a thing in RPGs at the time. However, Suikoden, Tales series, Skies of Arcadia, Grandia (only for changing of positions). Fine, but it's still only an additional mechanic from Final Fantasy's Active Battle mode.
Not sure how the rest is bait.

[Anonymous No.4332668]

Sjdbs

[Anonymous No.4332669]

>>4332647
Most people don't like Metroid 2 though, so your "but everyone else" argument is not valid here. Most of the time people defend it by saying they like the bleak, minimalistic atmosphere and the feeling of solitude. I don't understand why you're criticizing the resolution of a Game Boy game, though. You know the Game Boy had a pretty small screen and a low resolution, right? Hardly a flaw of the game. You might as well say that all Game Boy games are bad.

I like it more than Metroid I because I don't like how Metroid I kind of forces you to map things on your own, but I also prefer Super Metroid and the GBA games.

As for your Game of Thrones argument, maybe you just need to stop talking to normies. Obviously they're only gonna parrot popular opinions. Most of them only watch it because they like talking about it to their friends. I only watch it because I enjoy shitposting about it on /tv/ (although I did enjoy the first few seasons).

I also found FF7 to be a pretty mediocre game. Outside of nostalgia it doesn't belong on the #1 spot, but it is an irrefutable fact that it was amazing for its time and that it had an enormous influence on JRPGs in general. You could say the same thing about Ocarina of Time - I prefer Majora's Mask in almost every way, but OoT is the more 'important' game.

It's pointless to argue about what the absolute best X is of any era because the simple fact is, they're all different and they all have their little things that make people prefer them over the others. I like FFVI the best when it comes to SNES RPGs, but Chrono Trigger is still really good. The time travel is interesting and although the characters are less complex than those in, say, FFVI, they're still endearing and interesting enough. It's not like the SNES was known for its deep characterizations anyways.

[Anonymous No.4332673]

>>4332669
I used metroid 2 as an example of something I was hoping we could agree on as a bad game, yet people still try to defend it. I think you missed the point of my complaint on it, though. The resolution on the Gameboy was low, but raising the resolution of the sprites in a low resolution area cramps the screen, thus making things harder for no reason other than "we wanted these details".
As for Game of Thrones, I've read the books, which were above average, but not absolutely amazing either. I see no reason to watch a TV series of it. I kind of feel the same about Lord of The Rings, however, at least they relegated that to 3 movies instead of multiple seasons. I've never been big on shows that last forever, though.
FF7 was amazing at the time more for the fact that everything was in 3D and now the game was huge by comparison. Lots of extra content and the like, but that doesn't stop it from being average in the RPG market. Just because it's got a big world to explore (comparatively speaking) doesn't make it good.

[Anonymous No.4332674]

>>4332669
By way of contrast, Super Mario 2 on Gameboy was a lot of fun. The sprites are decently sized, even if I still think Mario's larger form is a bit too big. There's enough screen to work with so you don't die to something that randomly shows up. Just an example of a different Gameboy game that was good.

[Anonymous No.4332675]

>>4331827
Good thing you specified pre-2000. Best to shoo away the Gamecube cryhards ahead of time.

[Anonymous No.4332679]

>>4331872
Why would a character who can't spell even know the word "complex"? No no, this meme is no good at all.

[Anonymous No.4332680]

>>4332675
Not OP, but GameCube isn't talked about on this board. Might want to take that misguided hatred elsewhere, Anon.

[Anonymous No.4332682]

>>4332675
You're damn right it's not.

[Anonymous No.4332684]

>>4332673
But the thing is, Metroid II is not a bad game. It's not the best in the series by far but it's still good. The music is atmospheric and the game does what it can with the hardware. And I've heard people defend the sprite size/resolution issue by saying that they like the claustrophobic feel it gives the game, which is valid - people say the same thing about Resident Evil's tank controls, even though they are objectively clumsy. But I can see where they're coming from. Either way, having flaws doesn't make a game bad.

GoT's first few seasons were better than the books but the quality of the writing after the Red Wedding diminished progressively as the directors started taking more liberties with the plot. The reason for this I think is that while Martin is good at writing plot he's bad at actually writing in an interesting way (outside of cliffhangers and stuff). On the other hand, David and Dan are bad at writing interesting plot, but they're good at making a show that actually looks good and is fun to watch. Not to mention many of the actors are great in their role.

Your FF7 argument is exactly my argument for disliking games like Skyrim and Oblivion and many open world games in general. Bigger is not always better. What FF7 has over these games, though, is that it actually has endearing characters and a plot that unfolds like a very long, spectacular fantasy movie, and at the time this was really groundbreaking. FF7 might probably have fitted on a single disc if you took out the movies, but it wouldn't have worked nearly as well.

Anyways, FFIX is a far better game than FFVII when it comes to PS1 3D JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.4332690]

>>4332623
>Honestly, Chrono-Trigger is babby's first RPG in most cases.
that'd be mario rpg, jus' sayin.

>It's not tough in any way, shape, or form.
no rpg is tough if you grind enough. whether or not you have to is irrelevant. it's an rpg. it's what they do.

>Lucca is the smart best friend. Again, totally bringing something new to the table.
actually yeah, in video games anyway.

>Only thing they did that Final Fantasy hadn't done was give the enemies some battle animations. As cool as that was for an RPG, nothing new, nor did it do it better than anything else. Example: Dragon Quest 3 Final Boss.
what? as if you didn't chuckle when you saw the imps stick their tongue at you in a mocking fashion. or the enemies having a freaked out face when you alarmed them before a fight. also, enemies on the map. smrpg did that too, though.

>Hell, even with the main story-line and the time travelling and all, even that is pretty bland. It's not like it did time travel any different from anything else. Even when talking about dimensions and all, wasn't particularly innovative there.
actually yeah, if we're talking consoles, then there wasn't anything like it before, by which i mean having a time machine AND portals scattered all over, PLUS things you did or didn't do affected things in the footure.

anything else?

also, sorry if you're fighting on two fronts here haha, i havent refreshed but last i checked, some other autists was getting on you over metroid 2, which i'm in the middle of right now and my only gripe is the biggest: no map.

[Anonymous No.4332697]

>>4332684
Metroid 2 got a lot wrong about Metroid games in general, and people trying to defend it and say that atmosphere was more on purpose than anything else is kind of laughable seeing as the rest of the entries. I really can't say it was the limitations of the hardware, color-wise, sure, Gameboy didn't support color, but otherwise there are plenty of titles for the Gameboy that did well because the creators honestly cared when making it. Metroid 2 honestly feels like they just gave up and tossed it out just because they wanted another title. Especially in the music department. Even if Metroid is somewhat based off of Aliens, it's always been more like the Fisher Price brand of Aliens, comparatively.

GoT, I could see that, I'm still not particularly big on long running TV shows. After 3 to 5 seasons of most things, I'm ready to let it go. But, that's definitely the first time I've ever heard someone tell me something positive about the adaptation outside of "But it's so good." Unfortunately, I'm forced to work with normies and they kind of surround my life. Hence why I come to 4chan to talk about things instead. Granted, /tv/ isn't one of my boards seeing as there's never been much I wanted to watch, I prefer reading.

FF7 did have that much going for it at the very least, but even by the standard at the time, those characters weren't the most amazing concepts put out. But they were good. Like I said earlier, FF7 is an okay game. As far as Oblivion and Skyrim go, Oblivion had more to offer than Skyrim did, but again, the world was too open, definitely agreed.

Never played FF9. I got through 8 and fell out of it. Always heard it was amazing, and I've meant to go back and play it, but I've just never gotten around to it.

[Anonymous No.4332703]

>>4332571
Best taste ITT

[Anonymous No.4332706]

>>4332623
oh, and as far as snes rpgs go; i missed out on buying ff5-6, secret of mana, lufia rise of the sinistrals, chrono trigger, mario rpg and secret of evermore cause timing and poor fag. so, the only 3 that I got any real time with were ct, smrpg and soe from renting, and that was by the hair of my gamer chin chin because i waited MONTHS, fuggin MONTHS for all those games to be returned to my local rental STORES, we had 10 in my city. none of them ever had any copy of those particular games. which ones were in usually? ultima? check. breath of fire? check. ogre battle? check. nobunaga's ambition(s)? check. eye of the beholder? checkitty check check. not saying they're bad, just saying they were usually, always in.

[Anonymous No.4332709]

>>4332690
Alright let's get this over with.
Mario RPG is a good title as well, but as long as I've been around, this is one of the few places it really ever gets mentioned. Most normies can't tell you much about it. Chrono Trigger was much more popular. Hence, babby's first RPG. Everyone knows it. Much like Final Fantasy. Everyone knows it.

When I brought up character elements, I didn't just mean for video games. Just because it does it in a video game doesn't make it fantastic. It's a notable dynamic that's been seen in books, movies, shows, and pretty much every form of media. Transposing it from one place to another doesn't make it new and exciting.

For the animations during battle, again, it wasn't a new thing. Not common, but it wasn't new. And CT didn't really make smooth animations, like in previous example DQ3FB. It doesn't stick out in that category.

And for the story bit, it wasn't the first game to affect later portions of the game based on your current choices. Also with the game being pretty linear, the amount of small details on the side of things you changed in the past that changed things in the future are very limited and quite a few were necessary, thus making it not that impressive. I wasn't wowed by that then and I wasn't wowed by it later in Oracle of Ages. Again, transposing that kind of story element from one form of media to another, while this one was interactive, doesn't make it new or amazing. It was fun though.

I think you're going a little far here. I didn't say it was a bad game, I said it was good. I just said it was over rated.

By the way, don't try and take pity on me just because I'm talking to another anon. He and I are getting along just fine, from what I can tell.

[Anonymous No.4332715]

[Anonymous No.4332718]

>>4332706
I hate it when I stare at these kins of things for more than

[Anonymous No.4332729]

Well I like Mystaria: The Realms of Lore alot and the second part too. But that may be niche taste.

[Anonymous No.4332731]

Also I hear Panzer Dragoon Saga pretty gud. Thought I never finished it. But the battle system is different from most rpgs and since I love Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 this can't be that bad :)

[Anonymous No.4332735]

>>4331827
>non-ff
>pre-2000
>this narrows the field in any way

[Anonymous No.4332737]

>>4332703
Thanks bro you too

[Anonymous No.4332750]

>>4332660
>I still haven't seen team attacks in an rpg
basically an expanded version of twincast from FFIV
I think phantasy star IV and magic of the scheherezade had them as well

[Anonymous No.4332751]

I guess I'm going by personal exp here and what I and the other kids in my area were doing.
>When I brought up character elements, I didn't just mean for video games. Just because it does it in a video game doesn't make it fantastic. It's a notable dynamic that's been seen in books, movies, shows, and pretty much every form of media. Transposing it from one place to another doesn't make it new and exciting.
but we ARE talking video games here. but if we're being technical (and I didn't bring this up initially for this reason) then what you want is impossible. there's no pleasing a person that thinks there can be original characters anymore, even back then.

> like in previous example DQ3FB. It doesn't stick out in that category.
well, you got me there. but it was a japan only game, soooooooooo......what do we do here? did YOU play it? i didn't. plus it was a remake, and from what i understand, japan LOVES itself some dq, probably more so than ff or ff related stuff. chrono was original in that respect.

>And for the story bit, it wasn't the first game to affect later portions of the game based on your current choices
gonna need some examples here, anon. non-import, console only pls.

>Also with the game being pretty linear
18 endings, a handful that you can initiate VERY early in the game and others that depend on which sidestuff you do or don't, and once you resurrect chrono, you can do more sidestuff or go straight to lavos.

>transposing that kind of story element from one form of media to another, while this one was interactive, doesn't make it new or amazing. It was fun though.
>that's more opinion than fact though. and I've never to this day have played a game for it's story. come to think of it, i don't know ANY gamer from back then that bought or rented games because of story. it was genre based. most of them didn't like rpg's. action rpgs, maybe, but not regular rpgs.
cont..

[Anonymous No.4332752]

>>4332709
didn't say you did and that's a valid opinion.

>By the way, don't try and take pity on me just because I'm talking to another anon. He and I are getting along just fine, from what I can tell.
coo. hope WE'RE coo...?

basically, you posed a question, i answered. not saying it's THE best, but it's in the highest ranking tiers of gaming. a lot of other games in there too.

[Anonymous No.4332757]

>>4332750
>basically an expanded version of twincast from FFIV
>I think phantasy star IV and magic of the scheherezade had them as well

ah, see? didn't play those
>nesfag, but only because poor fag couldn't afford both or the add ons.

[Anonymous No.4332763]

>>4332751
Well, yeah I did play it. My dad got stationed in Japan when I was a kid and the whole family was moved there. I lived there for 4 years before we got moved again.
Japanese games in general are highly derivative. Especially in a gaming format it makes it a struggle for anyone to really bother with more and more story/character elements to differentiate things. That being said though, there's been plenty of originality in many other games and genres. If everything else can manage it, I'm certain RPGs can manage originality as well.

[Anonymous No.4332769]

>>4332750
>basically an expanded version of twincast from FFIV
well really, that's like saying super mario world expanded upon smb3 overworld design by making it more interesting and having hidden areas and paths to traverse the entire world, instead of just randomly going where the flute takes you.

[Anonymous No.4332776]

>>4332763
wow, really? that's awesome. sucks it was a timed stay and not you guys having the freedom to come and go as you pleased, though.

[Anonymous No.4332783]

>>4332751
Aside from what I said in >>4332763
I'd say most people would play an RPG for the story content. Turn based combat gets old after awhile, and if you're not invested enough into what you're playing, then that becomes more of a chore with no reward. Outside of story, the only reason I could see playing an RPG is that you really like the stat system and you like building levels and the like. I definitely like that. But I don't see people playing most RPGs for the combat. I could see them looking at the graphics and saying "Man, this looks awesome" and it is, great visuals in general, but most RPGs tend to be hit or miss in that department, especially if they were trying a specific art style. Although, I find Akira Toriyama's art to be rather bland because his art from Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest, and Dragon Ball is all roughly the same with color swaps and the like. Additions here and there, but roughly the same. (Again, Japanese media is really derivative.)

Outside of story, I don't see a lot of reason to play most RPGs. They're not a competitive, they're not action packed, they're not making use of really cool game mechanics outside of battle. (for the most part. Golden Sun, while not retro, definitely did.)

[Anonymous No.4332785]

>>4332769
Not the other poster, but those are somewhat different. Adding more to a specific game mechanic and then adding more to a game's structure for the entire world is very different.

[Anonymous No.4332791]

>>4332776
I dunno about it sucking. Japan wasn't the most friendly towards Americans when I was a kid, and understandably so. They didn't like us very much but our money spent the same as everyone else's.

[Anonymous No.4332804]

>>4332783
fair enough. but i'm a bit of an autist sooooooooooooo.....yeah.......moving along.

>>4332791
riiiiighhhtt, usa NOT ok. gaijin hatin bastards.

[Anonymous No.4332810]

>>4332783
>But I don't see people playing most RPGs for the combat.
well I'm definitely not playing grandia games for their stories, I'll tell you that

[Anonymous No.4332812]

>>4332785
i just meant the expanding thing goes to a newish thing when you involve the entire party. all the combos and animations involved are varied and unique enough and......well that's it.

[Anonymous No.4332815]

>>4332804
Unfortunately, while I'd love to continue for now, I have to sleep. Its almost 7:30 and I've been awake for almost 24 hours. Good thing today is my day off.
If the thread is still going when I get back from daily life, I'll be glad to keep this up, Anon.

[Anonymous No.4332819]

>>4332815
on the graveyard m'self. it's slowly driving me nuts, but it pays the bills. i'll be back too. having a hard time pulling out of this place when i gots time to kill. have good sleeping.

[Anonymous No.4332831]

>>4331827
the Exile series was fucking good far as I remember

[Anonymous No.4332834]

>>4332815
>If the thread is still going when I get back from daily life, I'll be glad to keep this up, Anon.
kinda funny. op wanted NON rpgs haaahaha ha and here we were.

[Anonymous No.4332838]

>>4332834
shit, nvm.

[Anonymous No.4332872]

>>4331827
My favorite one was/is/will be Shining Force 1&2. Especially 2, cause balance.

[Anonymous No.4332881]

>>4332690
>mario rpg babby's first RPG
1/10, made me kek a lil

[Anonymous No.4332887]

>>4332690
>that'd be mario rpg

That'd actually be Mystic Quest.

[Anonymous No.4332905]

>>4332887
It was true 20 year ago. No kids knows it now, but they do know Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.4333146]

>>4332431
>muh anecdotal evidence
Says the one guy saying overrated is a buzzword. You truly are an idiot.

CT is overrated. It wasn't that great back then and there are mountains of JRPGs from that era that have stand the test of time better than CT.

[Anonymous No.4333295]

>>4332905
I very much doubt that many kids today know any SNES games.

[Anonymous No.4333297]

>>4333295
Nintendo did something about that.

[Anonymous No.4333362]

>>4332059
>>4332142
>Defeat the boss of the first arc in the story
>2 years pass in story before gameplay resumes
>You can easily visit old locations
...
>The town that was destroyed by the boss of chapter 1 is STILL destroyed, and all the people are acting like it just happened

They didn't bar access to that part of the map, They didn't restore the town back to normal
They didn't take the town off the map, and put the NPCs somewhere else.
They don't even change the dialogue to acknowledge it's been like this for 2 years

I'm usually lenient about RPGs breaking immersion, it's a game after after all. But this breaks the story so much, and it's such an easy problem to fix, and there's no way they didn't come across it when testing the game. It's overpoweringly distracting that it makes it impossible for me to pay attention to the game after that.

[Anonymous No.4333378]

>>4332647
Neither Chrono Trigger or FF7 are my favourite RPGs. But the fact is you're reaching this hard to deny their status, it just cements them as the objective best of their genre.

[Anonymous No.4333385]

>>4333378
And by this comment you are forever stuck in with the rest of the masses that say "BUT GAME SO GOOD" without explaining what makes "game so good".

[Anonymous No.4333395]

>>4333385
Better than being a contrarian hipster who thinks he's hot shit because he "deeply" analyzes video games, toys for fucking children.

[Anonymous No.4333397]

One of my favourites! Spent a lot of time on this gem. The soundtrack is awesome as well.

[Anonymous No.4333408]

>>4333395
I think you didn't read my comments. I said it was a good game, just over rated.

[Anonymous No.4333429]

Shadowrun is obviously the correct answer.

[Anonymous No.4333438]

>>4331863
Planescape Torment is essentially a western equivalent to a JRPG.

[Anonymous No.4335239]

>>4331861
4 was easily the best

[Anonymous No.4336463]

>>4331827
earthbound

[Anonymous No.4337448]

>>4331895
Choose your own adventure books are games. That's why we call them 'gamebooks', moron.

[Anonymous No.4337649]

>>4336463
My nigga

[Anonymous No.4337728]

>>4331827
SMT II

[Anonymous No.4337730]

>>4331873
>JRPG
>literally simplified tabletop RPG with CHA cutted out because we can't program that well