I sometimes hear of people building up their own retro PCs to play the old games with. But what's the point of that? A modern computer can emulate anything. Your retro rig would just be a waste of space, and probably not play all the games you want anyway.

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Anonymous Fri Oct 6 10:53:37 2017 No.4309085 [Reply] [Original]

I sometimes hear of people building up their own retro PCs to play the old games with.

But what's the point of that? A modern computer can emulate anything. Your retro rig would just be a waste of space, and probably not play all the games you want anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 10:54:53 2017 No.4309089 voodoo wrappers are still fucking shit on dosbox and not all win3.x games work also, because it's fun

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 10:59:34 2017 No.4309098

>>4309085
>But what's the point of that? A modern computer can emulate anything.
Win9x support is nonexistent in many areas despite what parrotors that never tried or are too ignorant to know what a3d is say.

You can build your dream pc from back in the day. You can build a computer that would had been over $5000 for cheap. But hipsters are driving the price up on things like voodoo cards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:06:10 2017 No.4309113 >>4309085 >I sometimes hear of people buying up and refurbishing their own retro cars to drive around with while wearing 1950s fashion. >But what's the point of that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:07:49 2017 No.4309117 >>4309113 Quite the different thing, because your retro car can drive on all the same roads as the modern hipster hybrid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:09:36 2017 No.4309120 its fun, try running win 98 in dosbox

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:10:21 2017 No.4309121

>>4309085
>I sometimes hear of ignorant babies shitposting on /vr/ But what's the point of that? A board called /v/ exists.
Please go back there until you can make intelligent comments or ask intelligent questions.
Aside from games I have commercial equipment that's controlled by old PCs that need to run in real time and can't be emulated. You're a fool and a tool kid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:15:46 2017 No.4309125 >>4309120 Name a good game from Windows 98 or later that hasn't been patched to work on modern computers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:17:34 2017 No.4309127 >>4309113 Well, things like a 50's Gasser or Hot Rod can go head to head with a new sports car on the strip, while a retro gaymen PC can't keep up with a cellphone these days

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:26:28 2017 No.4309143 >>4309125 Every game that used 3dfx only, ever. The only 3dfx port that doesn't run like absolute shite-arse that I can think of is Carmageddon 2

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 11:37:20 2017 No.4309152

Flat out drag racing is a retro style of racing that vintage cars excel at the same way vintage computers excel at running retro software. A P3 with a Voodoo 2 doesn't need patches or emulation to still run Thief or Gothic better than an i7 with a Titan Z the same way a '64 Tempest doesn't need launch control to beat a '16 Charger

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:39:05 2017 No.4309156

>>4309127
Point is, it's fun and sometimes people want to experience using old devices.
Why else would anyone want to use a typewriter past 1990?

Sure, you can emulate DOS with Soundblaster 16, but it's not quite the same as an actual 386 with a 10lb keyboard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:45:15 2017 No.4309171 >>4309152 But it can't do those games in high resolution and with all the mods and Steam support

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:50:20 2017 No.4309179 >>4309098 >>4309120 What are some essential old Windows games that can't run in dosbox/virtualbox or that were never released with modern support?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:51:44 2017 No.4309183 >>4309121 Your commentary doesnt help at all and OP's is legit. I work in a lab that used to run equipment controlled by old computers and they were shit. Explain what you do that cant be done on current machines u shit head

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:53:58 2017 No.4309186

>>4309179
Most of the games that people want to play will "run". But you're not playing Thief I or II with a3d emulation for example. Also voodoo wrappers have a lot of really odd quirks that people don't talk about. Not saying they'll keep you from running the game but odd bugs will occur.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:54:11 2017 No.4309187 >>4309125 Streets of Simcity. Its game clock is run off the CPU. so modern CPUs crash the game

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:57:12 2017 No.4309194 >>4309186 But both Thief I and Thief II are on Steam and it appears that they run on everything out of the box? So why would I need a special dedicated machine for stuff like that again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:58:15 2017 No.4309195 >>4309194 Try reading my post again but take your "emulation is perfect blinders" off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:59:50 2017 No.4309201 >>4309085 Its fun, fuck you

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:04:43 2017 No.4309209

>>4309195
I've never said emulation is perfect and I don't like emulating consoles but PC stuff is different. So many people tinker with those games, they create unofficial patches etc. and when you pointed out the Thief games (which I never played) I had to look them up and it seems that the Steam versions are very good as the reviews are really positive. So why would I need a dedicated machine again?

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 12:05:57 2017 No.4309212 >>4309195 This, basically. I'm sure OP would also argue there's no point in owning real retro game consoles either and the state of PC emulation is ironically even worse than retro console emulation with the possible exception of N64.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:06:37 2017 No.4309213 >>4309209 you sound like you already made your mind

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:11:14 2017 No.4309219 >>4309209 Reread my post. You still got your blinders on.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:17:58 2017 No.4309234

>>4309183
>I work in a lab
Sure you do OP. I have setups with equipment run by controller cards that are run by software that can't be emulated on a modern computer. I have games that run like shit if at all when emulated. No amount of angsty underage poorfag kidsplaining is going to change those fact.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:32:17 2017 No.4309271

>>4309234
When I was a kid we got a new computer. It ran a bunch of then-new games that I still play and love, but refused to start up several others I'd loved when I was younger, or if they would start they wouldn't run well at all. Nor was it powerful enough for several other games I like that came afterwards, but those tend to skirt the line of /vr/ anyway.

With the miracle of mods, patches, and DOSBox, most of these run on my modern computer just fine. They may not run as well as they would on a computer from their own era, but trying to aim for that would be ridiculously impractical anyway: you'd need a mid-90s computer for a bunch of your favorite games from childhood, then another from the turn of the millennium to run the Thief games in, and maybe also an Amiga.

I don't have the basement space for a man-cave with like five or six computers, each of them with highly specific games and functions. I'd rather just stick with a single modern computer that can manage them all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:34:22 2017 No.4309274 >>4309271 then just stick to doxbox dude, problem solved

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:43:16 2017 No.4309298
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>>4309085
Shit bait faggot.
But I'll bite.

>But what's the point of that? A modern computer can emulate anything.
Nope.

>Your retro rig would just be a waste of space
My own house.

>and probably not play all the games you want anyway.
Several rigs for different periods, not a single game I can't play.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:44:29 2017 No.4309303 >>4309271 You're too tech illiterate. Do as >>4309274 said.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:49:53 2017 No.4309321 >>4309298 How big is your house?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:51:54 2017 No.4309326
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>>4309271
I own a PC-XT, 486DX4 and Pentium3/Voodoo2SLI. I can play any game from the early 80's to early 2000's perfectly.
Oh, also an Amiga 600 and 1200. As it seemed relevant to your post.
I live in a huge house.

So much fun I've had with those machines and playing games on them.
Have fun with emulators and patches, anon!

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Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:54:20 2017 No.4309332

>>4309326
>Have fun with emulators and patches, anon!
Sure do.

As someone that's played games both natively and under DOSBox, the difference isn't so massive that it'd make me wish for a bigger house just to have space for five other computers. But you do you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:54:39 2017 No.4309334 >>4309321 Not that anon but presumably big enough to accommodate 3 towers/desktops and a KVM switch? That's basically all you need to perfectly and authentically play any PC game from 1981 to the present day.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:59:24 2017 No.4309340

>>4309321
Basement, first and second floors.
Sauna, cold storage room and one huge room in the basement.
Kitchen, living room, two bedrooms, bathroom, two smaller rooms on the first floor.
Bathroom, balcony and one bedroom (quest) and two big rooms on the second floor.
My dad build it in the 80's with his buddies when he was still working construction.
Most of the bigger rooms are dedicated to hardware or just general manchildcaves.

>>4309332
>it'd make me wish for a bigger house just to have space for five other computers.
I only pay bills, electricity, power, fiber and water. As my siblings live aboard, I got the house for myself.
I'm not complaining.

Anyways, what has this to do with anything? People blow out loads of cash for their hobbies, complaining about space means you're not really serious about it.
As >>4309334 said, that's pretty much all you need, I don't imagine living in a three room flat even be a problem for that.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 13:00:13 2017 No.4309343 It makes me so sad to think people on /vr/ are actually living in spaces that can't spare 2 cubic feet for a retro PC or 14 inch CRT that I just assume they're being facetious.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:01:29 2017 No.4309346

>>4309179
I can't play actual glide games or EAX/A3D games with an "emulator".

>>4309194
>So why would I need a special dedicated machine for stuff like that again?
How's the A3D? Oh wait, there's none.

>>4309212
Cabbage Pants, I agree with you for once.

This thread, fucking casuals.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:02:42 2017 No.4309352 >>4309327 Is this the house from Fresh Prince of Bel Air?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:02:57 2017 No.4309354 >>4309343 It's sad that people actually are mentally or financially limited to playing games only with emulators or patches and can't enjoy a nice professional CRT VGA monitor and proper hardware to run their games on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:03:52 2017 No.4309357 It's good I live in third world shithole, because I can get a 90's pc for 15 bucks.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:06:07 2017 No.4309363

>>4309089
Glide wrappers are just wrappers, they translate glide calls to opengl.
It's just like playing with the opengl renderer for games that support both.
Only useful for games that only do hardware acceleration with glide and need it to be played on a opengl/d3d card.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:07:30 2017 No.4309365

>>4309085
>I sometimes hear of people buying old consoles to play the old games with.
>But what's the point of that? A modern computer can emulate anything. Your console would just be a waste of space, and probably not play all the games you want anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:08:54 2017 No.4309368 >>4309171 Nobody wants your meme 1080p widescreen resolutions. A proper CRT at 1600x1200, now that's how it should be and oh, it works fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:09:18 2017 No.4309369 >>4309365 Well, it's true.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:10:31 2017 No.4309371 >>4309357 I live in a second world shithole and I can get meme Wintel hardware for 5€. >>4309369 True for consoles, false for most microcomputers and PC-Compatibles.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 13:11:57 2017 No.4309373 >>4309354 I am perfectly happy to accept that some people are willing to sacrifice a modicum of accuracy for convenience or simplicity but when they claim they don't have enough SPACE - that could paint a depressing picture indeed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:13:01 2017 No.4309375 >>4309357 How do I make this a business? I can buy bunch of old PCs, consoles, games for practically nothing and sell them overseas for thousands of dollars. Anyone interested?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:13:18 2017 No.4309376

>>4309373
>I am perfectly happy to accept that some people are willing to sacrifice a modicum of accuracy for convenience or simplicity
Those people aren't bitching though, they know perfectly fine what the tradeoff is and that actual hardware is superior. Unlike people here, finding excuses.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:15:09 2017 No.4309381 >>4309375 Generally not worth the hassle, unless you really don't have a job and need money for food or rent. The jewBay prices almost never sell and take ages to sell, if at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:20:33 2017 No.4309393 >>4309373 I mean mine could fit like ten computers, in theory, but in practice they'd mostly be in the way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:20:38 2017 No.4309394 >>4309375 You'd make more money with reselling SNES minis or GPUs then buying and picking up Voodoo's for 5€ for reselling at 50€ and waiting two months before someone even buys it, then wasting time packing and sending that shit.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:24:56 2017 No.4309397
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>>4309393
I have 13 computers, set up and ready to fire up any moment to play with, in one room alone.
Everything from Z80, 6502, m68k stuff to x86 Wintel and PowerPC.

Also a bunch of consoles connected to a consumer Trinitron and 42" flatscreen, depending on the era of the console.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:25:18 2017 No.4309398 >>4309381 That's too bad. But really, I'm looking at prices, I can get ten PS1 consoles for $70, ten gameboy games for $3, twenty SNES games for $7...

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:30:00 2017 No.4309404 >>4309085 REEE OP IM SO FUCKING BUTTHURT AND TRIGGERED ...nah just kidding

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:30:03 2017 No.4309405

>>4309085
>But what's the point of that?
It's fun and works well
>A modern computer can emulate anything.
It can't
>Your retro rig would just be a waste of space
It's not
>and probably not play all the games you want anyway.
They do
What's the next bait thread you're going to come up with?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:31:45 2017 No.4309410 >>4309085 I also build my own microcomputers on a component level. Guess what, I don't even play games with them, usually.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:32:34 2017 No.4309412 >>4309405 >It can't Name a few things it can't emulate that you wish it would. >It's not >They do How many computers would you need to play all the games that you want to play?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:39:23 2017 No.4309425 >>4309412 Hasent this already been answered several times?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:39:55 2017 No.4309426

>>4309412
>Name a few things it can't emulate that you wish it would.
Glide and a3d, don't care that much about eax
Amiga emulators suck massively also, broken or simply have lag/slowdowns
Even playing Marathon in a Macintosh emulator is far, far worse than the real thing, lots of mouse lag even on modern machine
>How many computers would you need to play all the games that you want to play?
One microcomputer per architecture, per decade related to the game
No worries, I already do though, for gaymes at least

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:40:27 2017 No.4309427

>>4309343
Yes, some people are poor. I understand this is incredible to imagine for your first world suburban mind, but not everyone can afford to spend lots of money on hobbies like collecting. Nobody past their teens actually finds your class elitism funny.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:42:20 2017 No.4309431

>>4309427
It's not even class elitism. If you would be interested in this shit, you'd find a way.
Garbage Pants is a fag though, not shitting on you for shitting on him.

>Collecting
Fucking collectors. They don't even play with their shit, they just stare at it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:43:33 2017 No.4309435 >>4309427 You're on an American website bitching about you're 3rd world shithole. It's not that we're ignorant about your situation or country. It's that we don't care.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:43:39 2017 No.4309436 >>4309427 nothing to do with being poor mostly just being a dumbass

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:44:27 2017 No.4309437 >>4309431 >>4309436 This >>4309435 Old hardware is probably easier and cheaper to come by in these places Not to mention cheap living space

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:46:36 2017 No.4309440 >>4309437 We are a retro video game community. We aren't tech support for 3rd world shitholes. If you're using one of these ancient computers for actual work you're pathetic. Excluding some bullshit regulation that requires it.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:47:20 2017 No.4309441

>>4309435
America is basically the worst shithole these days, actually. House prices are soaring, everyone's in debt, and breaking your leg can send you bankrupt.

It's the "third world" countries where people can afford to buy plenty of computers and shit.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:48:23 2017 No.4309442

>>4309085
Check out /g/ if you're curious
/vr/ is mostly too autistic or tech illiterate to deal with computers

>>/g/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=%2Fretro%2F+thread&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=op&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=op

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:49:21 2017 No.4309443 >>4309441 >America is basically the worst shithole these days K

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:49:42 2017 No.4309445 >>4309440 Is this bait? How is this related to a post about 3rd world places having easier to acquire and cheaper old hardware?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:50:50 2017 No.4309450 >>4309441 >It's the "third world" countries where people can afford to buy plenty of computers and shit. Don't know about the first part, don't really care, but it's just that America is full of resellers and collectors, so it's more expensive and rarer

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:52:20 2017 No.4309452 >>4309445 Because the hardware in that shithole is still used?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:55:28 2017 No.4309463 >>4309085 There is limited 3d card emulation/wrapping. The same goes for sound cards. Timing and scaling isn't always great with emulation. OPL and GUS emulation is mehhh in Dosbox. >>4309085

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:56:08 2017 No.4309464 >>4309452 Not anymore, people just have a bunch of old PCs in their attics and don't know what to do with it.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:56:21 2017 No.4309465

>>4309452
See
>>4309450

If anything it's America that's was still using obsolete hardware in it's infrastructure, just because it worked. Like copper lines in 2015, just because they where laid there 50 years ago, when places in 3rd world shitholes didn't even have copper lines 50 years ago and when there was time to build broadband, they just laid fiber.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:59:09 2017 No.4309473 >>4309440 >If you're using one of these ancient computers for actual work you're pathetic. Nice consumerism, faggot.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:01:56 2017 No.4309482

>>4309441
>America is basically the worst shithole these days, actually. House prices are soaring, everyone's in debt, and breaking your leg can send you bankrupt.
Not /vr/ but...
...everybody I know who went to work and live in the USA in the early 2000's either moved back by now or moved to Canada, nobody wants to live or work in the US anymore.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 14:04:06 2017 No.4309489 >>4309482 I wish

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:06:27 2017 No.4309493 >>4309465 >>4309464 >>4309473 3rd worlders talking about american infrastructure is funny.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:07:04 2017 No.4309498 >>4309489 I'm talking from personal experience, not talking about Mexicans or related

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:07:47 2017 No.4309502 >>4309493 >>4309464 I'm talking about old PCs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:09:14 2017 No.4309504 Europe isn't 3rd world, and it's pretty full of old computers that you can buy cheap.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:11:06 2017 No.4309506 >>4309504 >Europe isn't 3rd world Ahahahahhah

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 14:12:04 2017 No.4309509

>>4309493
I agree. It's like they think a country the size of the US having copper coast to coast 50 years ago is anything short of miraculous or that today any metropolitan area with an economy equal to that in whatever area they think they're comparing won't have fiber.

That shit about soaring housing prices and going bankrupt from breaking your leg also reeks of somebody who's chasing an illusion of the American Dream projected by the people who are actually achieving it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:12:22 2017 No.4309510 >>4309502 I don't even live in a 3rd world country. But make a (bad) comment about the US and that's the best comeback they have.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:12:53 2017 No.4309513 >>4309504 "Third world" means parts of the world that were neither with America nor the Soviets during the Cold War. About half Europe is indeed third world. Learn history, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:13:39 2017 No.4309514 >>4309502 And every PC invention and innovation is American or Japanese. >>4309504 >Europe isn't 3rd world >>4309510 Unless you're in Canada or America you're in the 3rd world.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:13:40 2017 No.4309515

>>4309509
>I agree. It's like they think a country the size of the US having copper coast to coast 50 years ago is anything short of miraculous or that today any metropolitan area with an economy equal to that in whatever area they think they're comparing won't have fiber.
Your autist is showing.
Most of USA isn't a metropolitan area.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:14:53 2017 No.4309516 >>4309513 Only Yugoslavia, Ireland, Finland and Sweden were third world countries.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:15:55 2017 No.4309520 >>4309516 And Switzerland, of course

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:16:35 2017 No.4309521 >>4309516 >>4309520 Also half Germany, Poland, Ukraine, and a few others nobody gives a shit about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:17:09 2017 No.4309524 >>4309515 The majority of Americans live in or near a city, 3rd world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:17:09 2017 No.4309525 >>4309513 >>4309514 I know its bait, but Europe, except for a few countries like Sweden or some Balkan countries is first and second world. As you know, by learning history, it was split between ex-Allies and Soviets.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:18:09 2017 No.4309529
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>>4309506
>>4309513
>>4309514
>le europe is a shithole because of immigrants meme

Can we crank the /pol/ a little higher? I never felt like talking about computers anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:18:16 2017 No.4309530 >>4309521 That's second world. As >>4309513 said. Soviet territory turning the Cold War. I'm suspecting this isn't bait even but just badly teached history.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:19:17 2017 No.4309536 File: 67 KB, 837x698, 3rdworld.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4309525 >>4309521 >>4309524 >>4309520 >>4309516 >>4309529 Learn what 3rd world means. Because it's not what your made up definition is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:19:25 2017 No.4309538 >>4309524 Yet 99% of non-Metropolitan area was exactly like >>4309465 explained a few years ago. Some of it is still today.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:20:35 2017 No.4309541 >>4309536 >a group of nations especially in Africa and Asia not aligned with either the Communist or the non-Communist blocs Exactly what we are talking about.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:21:05 2017 No.4309542

>>4309538
Man you mean to tell me there's a small percentage of people that don't want to live in the city? Wow man! That's crazy. Man lets use that crazy small percentage as a representation for all of America. Ya that'll make my world world shithole look almost acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:21:22 2017 No.4309545 >>4309536 >the aggregate of the underdeveloped nations of the world Exactly what we are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:22:06 2017 No.4309549 >>4309541 >>4309545 >>4309541 That's the EU.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:22:20 2017 No.4309550 >>4309524 >>4309542 >talking about a country >but I'm only talking about the cities anon!!!1 Sure. That's a non-argument though.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 14:22:59 2017 No.4309553

>>4309498
Well, you probably come from a decent third world country. Lots of people come here to get an education and maybe make what is a decent amount of money, both of which to take back to their home countries and live well. Middle class aspiring immigrants can't be blamed for taking it to Canada where there's more social support for the middle class. The ones who remain are by default the least desirable

>>4309515
Are you implying rural areas in China or Russia have fiber?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:23:25 2017 No.4309554 >>4309549 EU mostly consists for first and second world countries though. What are you even talking about now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:24:43 2017 No.4309561 >>4309554 >the aggregate of the underdeveloped nations of the world That's what we're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:25:01 2017 No.4309562 >>4309553 >Well, you probably come from a decent third world country. Never lived in a third world country by any of it's definitions, friendo

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:26:13 2017 No.4309567 >>4309561 Majority of Africa? Iceland?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:27:39 2017 No.4309569 >>4309553 >you probably come from a decent third world country The very definition of "third world" is that it's far from decent.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:27:50 2017 No.4309570 >>4309567 Africa and Asia. Iceland is pretty developed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:28:48 2017 No.4309573 >>4309570 Wasn't most of Asia second world?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:30:09 2017 No.4309578

>>4309569
Depends on the definition used.
Switzerland and Finland are pretty decent places. If we use the old definition.

>>4309573
We are talking about
>the aggregate of the underdeveloped nations of the world
Not
>a group of nations especially in Africa and Asia not aligned with either the Communist or the non-Communist blocs
See >>4309536 different definitions.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 14:30:33 2017 No.4309579

>>4309562
Then why do you claim to have personal experience? It's fun to be Anon and pretend to be multiple different people with various perspectives depending on which supports your splintering arguments but you have to keep them straight. Maybe take some notes.

>>4309569
Not at all. Economy has little if anything to do with decency.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:31:36 2017 No.4309583 >>4309578 >We are talking about But that's a far more subjective definition. It allows the edgelords here to arbitrarily decide that all of Europe is such a shithole.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:32:37 2017 No.4309586 Why does 4chan have to be so xenophobic all the time? Don't you get tired?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:33:28 2017 No.4309587

>>4309579
>Then why do you claim to have personal experience? It's fun to be Anon and pretend to be multiple different people with various perspectives depending on which supports your splintering arguments but you have to keep them straight. Maybe take some notes.
My posts are:
>>4309482
>>4309498
>>4309530
>>4309541
How is not living in a 3rd world country, by any definition, not related to knowing some people who used to work and live in the US but changed their mind because how the countriy has developed over the past decades?
You're being weird.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:35:34 2017 No.4309592

>>4309583
There are no 3rd world countries by the definition:
>the aggregate of the underdeveloped nations of the world
in the European Union.

A simple google search can tell you that.

There are however 3rd world countries in the EU using the:
>a group of nations especially in Africa and Asia not aligned with either the Communist or the non-Communist blocs
definition of the word.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:37:40 2017 No.4309603 >>4309579 >Not at all. Economy has little if anything to do with decency. By the 1st definition in >>4309536 it has even trying to do with economy The second definition in >>4309536 is irrelevant in economics

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:42:01 2017 No.4309615
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First, there was bait to shit on people who have a hobby for old computers.
Probably made by someone who actually likes old hardware or has no clue about it.

After they BTFO the retards and turned out that there are cheap sources of old hardware outside the USA, it's another shit bait to shit on those people who have access to that cheap hardware.
Probably made by someone who actually likes old hardware and is jealous or someone who lives in the USA and is jealous about something he even has no interest in.

I know we are just doing this to pass time and for entertainment, but this is like a routine already, it's always the same pattern and always the same arguments and shit.
This place has become so predictable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:43:39 2017 No.4309618 >>4309586 The word is ethnocentricity. And Americans deserve every bit of it. We're just better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:44:38 2017 No.4309621 File: 108 KB, 626x626, 1507310696246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4309615 I still have loads of old computers and my own house to store them in. What does it even matter where I live or that it's outside the US? I'm happy.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:49:30 2017 No.4309636

>>4309085
I like them. I don't have many old PCs but I do enjoy working with them. Why are you complaining about this on a retro video game hardware board.
>waste of space
Why do people always bring that up when talking about any old hardware from consoles to fucking CRTs. If you enjoy something it isn't a waste of space to have that, same as not wasting time if you're doing something you enjoy.
>emulate
Again, why do people always bring this up when it comes to real hardware? It isn't as accurate as the real thing and some emulators don't work too well with certain games.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:50:25 2017 No.4309639
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>>4309618
>The word is ethnocentricity. And Americans deserve every bit of it.
That's probably what people in every country think themselves. Dumb people at least.
Americans are most vocal about that as I understand. Dumb ones at least.

>We're just better.
It's dumb to say that when it's backed up by actual facts and it turns out the USA is actually pretty down in the list in almost all things.
Embarrassing even.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:53:42 2017 No.4309648

>>4309639
America is the only country where people hate the country they are in, but wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the world. Why do Mexican immigrants scream "Viva la Mexico, fuck America" and then cry on social media about being kicked out. Only Euros and sour grapes third worlders hate America.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:54:07 2017 No.4309649 >>4309639 >it turns out the USA is actually pretty down in the list in almost all things. As evidenced by what? A bunch of research made by other countries jealous of America's objective superiority in everything?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:56:35 2017 No.4309657

>>4309648
>Only Euros and sour grapes third worlders hate America.
Who said anything about hate? I didn't.

Only you did:
>America is the only country where people hate the country they are in

Your logic just blew my mind though. I haven't seen such shit in ages.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:57:12 2017 No.4309658 People always forget about the existence of PCem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NWpZsJcxDk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In1Nu21vbOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T2CCIB3zPw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skIGtu8A59g

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 14:57:57 2017 No.4309660 >>4309648 >America is the only country where people hate the country they are in, but wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the world. >>4309482

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:01:33 2017 No.4309669

>>4309658
It's far, far, from good. Also fairly limited, don't expect to play your glide games at 1600x1200 at high refresh and frame rates, not to mention, broken.
DOSBox for DOS games alone is miles ahead. As it specializes on one thing and does it good enough for most people.

>Voodoo emulation is also emulated since PCem v10 and PCem v12, which added support for Voodoo 2 and various optimizations.[4] However, there some shortcomings regarding Voodoo emulation such as the lack of mip-mapping, slightly wobbling triangles, lack of speed limiting, and wrong refresh rates on almost every resolution

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:02:01 2017 No.4309672 >>4309660 Canada is basically America: 2 with less guns.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:03:37 2017 No.4309680 >>4309672 And cheaper education and healthcare.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:04:10 2017 No.4309681 >>4309672 Canadian government is full of pussies. Soon it will be like the USA, thanks to that. >Canada is basically America Canada is America. North-America to be specific. There is no country called "America".

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:07:24 2017 No.4309686
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>>4309658
Holy shit! Is that Turok at 480x320? At 30 FPS?!
It's almost as good as my Voodoo 2 SLI rig that plays it at 1024x768 at 85 FPS locked / 85Hz refresh rate.
Brb, trashing my shitty computer that I obviously don't need anymore and playing on emulators from now on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:20:08 2017 No.4309716 >>4309658 Atrocious OPL. Does have some S3D which is interesting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:09:41 2017 No.4309821 Second world refers to ex-socialist countries with developing economies, you cunts. First world is Western Europe, North America etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:12:00 2017 No.4309828 >>4309509 I'm sorry gramps, I've always liked you, but now you're acting like the typical US American, close minded and never been anywhere else in the world or not knowing anything else that's out of your safe-zone.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 16:20:34 2017 No.4309852 >>4309828 Please educate me about your charming little rural community that has fibre then. Maybe I'll move there. Can I bring my catless V8s?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:20:40 2017 No.4309854 >>4309828 Its good that people finally see the true nature of that autistic tripfag, soon we can BTFO him ftom /vr/ forever like the newfriend he is

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:26:08 2017 No.4309875 >>4309852 Im confused, I never talked about fiber?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:26:47 2017 No.4309878

>>4309852
>charming little rural community that has fibre then.
Wait, you're serious? You do realize that there are developed countries in Europe where fiber in small villages is nothing weird?
I'm really surprised here, you actually have no clue about the situation here, I thought you where just shitposting

Eastern Yurofag here, paying 25€ for 500 Mbit/s for both up/down, subscription includes TV, the fiber to the house was free as the station was less than 1KM away from the house

>>4309875
He's talking about me

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:32:09 2017 No.4309891

>>4309878
You're talking to an American, he probably thinks Eastern Europe is rural Africa. Never has there been a culture so proud to be retarded and ignorant. I hope they get another civil war desu, they've had a century of dominating the world, time for a change.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:32:44 2017 No.4309892

Why do people even bother hoarding dead hardware just to get minor performance improvements over a more utilitarian modern setup? Not everyone engages in accumulation of stuff. I feel like having space to live is better than childish tech obsessions. If the choice is between being a neckbearded, suspenders clad Linux woodsman with old, worthless hardware and using towers as furniture or just being a normie with space to breathe where you live and yknow, not having women think I'm autistic, if rather just use workarounds on my modern PC.

Seems like a childish insistence on a distinction that no sane, not obsessed person would argue.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:35:11 2017 No.4309896

>>4309509
We couldve had fiber in the nineties if this country wasnt a corporatist cyberpunk dystopia. The major providers agreed to install fiber and absconded with the money the government gave them. Or did you just never learn about that because you're a lying faggot 12 year old?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:43:17 2017 No.4309914 >>4309896 Hes actually 40 and has a kid and wife thats almost two decades younger then him Obviously theres no proof about that

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:44:51 2017 No.4309920 >>4309914 So he's a super-patriotic ignorant baby boomer rather than a lying uneducated millennial. Same difference.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:53:24 2017 No.4309938
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>that feel when your favourite game from mid nineties still works even on Windows 10

but indeed some games are fucking bitch to play without dedicated win98/xp machine or configured VM machine on qemu/dosbox/pcem/virtualbox

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:54:44 2017 No.4309939

>>4309892
I dont just have old hardware, I have modern hardware too.
I just love hardware and software, always did, I find spending space, time and money on it, worth it.

Im not medically autistic, just autistic in my own right, that I like playing my games on actual hardware, but playing games is just one of many interests, also I dont restrict myself to one OS, like Linux only.

I havent been interested in long term relationships for years anymore after the military, I dont care what others think and I do have proper rooms, like a bedroom, even tough I do prefer hooking up at the persons place Im hooking up with, casual sexual relations leave me with more time doing things I actually enjoy, like my mini- and micro-computers.

Im totally fine with you thinking its childish, but I enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:59:13 2017 No.4309947 >>4309920 12 year olds are Generation Z If hes also not a baby boomer but a Gen X fag Does not change the fact that hes ignorant and proud of it

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Fri Oct 6 17:08:39 2017 No.4309959

>Being satisfied with every element of your community except your 20mb internet is being super patriotic
>Asking for details on specific communities in Europe(?) where rural high speed might be available without the other joys of the rural US being taxed/regulated away is xenophobia
>40 year olds are baby boomers who couldn't possibly be attractive to young women
So yeah, I guess it's become another one of these threads. Cool.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 17:31:11 2017 No.4310002 File: 2.47 MB, 2448x3264, IMG_9529.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nothing beats a true retro machine with a glorius CRT

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 19:06:27 2017 No.4310195 File: 90 KB, 1000x694, IMG_5485.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4309085 What games can I play on this? I wanna make a "retro room" that will be my personal time capsule and escape from the world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 19:11:18 2017 No.4310206 >>4309681 Yes there is retard, it's South of the border from us

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 19:28:31 2017 No.4310246 >>4309085 I can think of 5 games immediately that won't run on modern systems even through VM. I could probably come up with 20 more if I tried. Why are you being a bitch about something that doesn't impact you? Who cares if someone does that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:26:24 2017 No.4310383 >>4309681 You know full well that the name United States of America being shortened to simply America is in the vernacular, silly goose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:28:41 2017 No.4310391 >>4310195 Any of the PPC Mac games. Hell, maybe even native Marathon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:31:47 2017 No.4310394 >>4310391 Can it run Quake?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:37:45 2017 No.4310409 >>4310394 Did Quake get a port to PowerPC?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:41:41 2017 No.4310418 >>4310409 I have no idea, I'm retarded with this I just like the look of that mac because it's the one my school library had when I was younger and I'm nostalgic for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:46:54 2017 No.4310437 >>4310418 Then you know what to look up. Until OS X 10.4 those things didn't have a single Intel proc in 'em. The one in your picture shipped with OS 9 or OS X 10.1

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:54:59 2017 No.4310456 >>4310437 I'm just wondering about the specs, could it run stuff like Starcraft, Sims, Diablo 2? I figure it should

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:58:18 2017 No.4310462

>>4310456

Dude, that thing is not x86 at all. Completely different CPU architecture. Specs are not what matters first and foremost at that point; it's whether they even ported those games that instruction set (*then* "is this machine powerful enough?").

Cart before the horse, my man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 20:59:40 2017 No.4310467 >>4310462 They have it for mac, that's a mac so it should work shouldn't it? Like I said I'm retarded with this stuff I've always been into consoles

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 21:10:29 2017 No.4310486

>>4310467

If they have it for Mac, then you need to find out what OS version. This isn't like Windows where you buy a piece of software for 95 and it works 'till goddamned Vista. Until OS X 10.5 Leopard there was quite a bit of flux within the Mac line: Motorola to PowerPC to Intel, Classic to Carbon to Cocoa environment, and so on.

You've got a sliding window of two to three versions at most before it might not run at all, depending.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 21:18:05 2017 No.4310505 >>4310486 Oh okay, thanks I didn't know that. I guess I have to read up on it. I'll probably get one just because I love how it looks

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 22:30:27 2017 No.4310598

>>4309271
If your casual, poor, have low standards, etc emulation is the ideal solution. Not everyone gives a fuck about accuracy, or is a gainfully employed adult with a a den and gaming room. Personally I have a few 80's PCs, mid 90's PCs, and early 00's PCs for retro PC shit. I also have 3 Amigas and a ton of other shit. There's no reason for a casual youngling like OP to have all that shit but there's also no reason for him to ignorantly shitpost either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 08:46:45 2017 No.4311367 >So yeah, I guess it's become another one of these threads. Cool. Ironic when they think they are helping but don't see that their own posts caused the shitfest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 08:49:57 2017 No.4311371 >>4309085 >A modern computer can emulate anything. ok kid

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 09:17:18 2017 No.4311395 >>4311371 It's true though, anything from the past that is. We just don't have emulators capable of that though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 09:58:41 2017 No.4311425 >>4309085 ITT: people that don't know about 86box

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:01:37 2017 No.4311431 >>4311425 >I didn't read a single post in the thread: The Post

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:03:38 2017 No.4311441 >>4311431 I did. It's a bunch of people saying you can't emulate everything or talking about PCem. 86Box can do a lot of weird shit like Riva TNT and obscure sound cards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:05:51 2017 No.4311443 >>4311441 >>I didn't read a single post in the thread: The Re-Post Anyways, enjoy your 20 FPS at 480p.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:06:42 2017 No.4311446 >>4311443 Enjoy your missing effects. >inb4 b-but muh voodoo injector Doesn't count, there's games that require shit besides a voodoo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:07:54 2017 No.4311449 >>4311446 What are you even talking about? I was just mentioning how slow and buggy PCem and 86Box are and not defending them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:09:00 2017 No.4311451 >>4311449 >I was just mentioning how slow and buggy PCem and 86Box are and not defending them. What shit CPU do you have that these emus are slow? I'm literally running some of the best emulated hardware on them with emulated overclocks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:11:33 2017 No.4311454 >>4311451 Fuck off retard. It has nothing to do with CPU. The emulators themselves are shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:12:39 2017 No.4311456 >>4311454 You're the retard using PCem. If you're that dumb I bet you're using a Bulldozer too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:12:49 2017 No.4311457 >>4311451 >I didn't read a single post in the thread: The Re-Re-Post Anyways, enjoy your broken and slow Glide and A3D "emulator", kek.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:15:48 2017 No.4311461 >>4311456 X86Box is just as shit, just has more features Dont think people who use real hwrdware dont test or even work on those emulators

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:15:54 2017 No.4311462 >>4311456 Both are _slow_ and _buggy_. Not even close to actual hardware. You can stop shitposting now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:17:32 2017 No.4311465 >>4311456 >I bet you're using a Bulldozer too. >Bulldozer is bad meme >it's the meme 14 year old kids these days tell each other Haven't heard the Faildozer mame for years, but you're just a tech illiterate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:18:54 2017 No.4311468 >>4310598 This. People who defend emulators like religion are retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:19:45 2017 No.4311470 >>4311465 How did I know it? It's always idiotic Bulldozer users that say every emulator is shit because they can't run at consistent speeds even with their 5GHz 9590s.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:28:00 2017 No.4311475 >>4309878 Adding to this, when I lived in Tasmania, my mate bought a bush block (50 acres) which had an electric and fibre hookup but no water. No property just a piece of bush in the middle of nowhere.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:29:57 2017 No.4311476

>>4311470
Not /vr/ faggot.

I haven't used a Bulldozer CPU for years, but the meme that Bulldozer was bad was because of the nanosecond cache shutter it's cache architecture caused, it's raw single core workload was great and it exceeded Intel in multicore workloads when it came out. I've seen videos of people running CEMU perfectly on Faildozer chips, when i3 and i5 faggots cry in YouTube comments and /v/, you can fuck off you tech illiterate retard. It has no negative impact on emulation performance, if anything, it's pretty good thanks to it's single core performance to any other Intel chips that old thanks to it's great overclocking capabilities.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:32:55 2017 No.4311480

>>4311476
>It has no negative impact on emulation performance, if anything, it's pretty good thanks to it's single core performance to any other Intel chips that old thanks to it's great overclocking capabilities.
You're delusional. Literal Pentiums from the same years as the Bulldozer chips were outperforming them in Dolphin.
https://dolphin-emu.org/docs/faq/#which-cpu-should-i-use
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-unofficial-new-dolphin-5-0-cpu-benchmark-results-automatically-updated--45007
You can just fuck off with your revisionist history and stop trying to slander emulators because your CPU is too shit to run them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:33:16 2017 No.4311481 >>4311470 >Bulldozer >9590s What the fuck are you even talking about? 9590 is Piledriver Nobody ever shit on Piledriver, the Piledriver FX chips are still phrased 9590 is a shit CPU for gaming, good for video editing, etc, 6350 is for games

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:34:46 2017 No.4311482 >>4311481 >9590 is Piledriver Huh, so it was.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:40:41 2017 No.4311490

>>4311480
You're just a tech illiterate.

There's no accurate information of anything, or benchmarks on the links you posted. Instead of being a pleb who does not know shit and still argues about it, you should do actual reachers yourself before you think you're entitled to talk about things.
Dolphin is not that CPU heavy actually. The low power Atom in the GPD Win even runs GameCube and most Wii games fine.
PCem and 86Box are not CPU heavy at all, they are just very inefficient. As said here >>4311395 it's not the fault of the hardware it's running on, just that the emulators aren't optimized.
So your silly little argument that my i7 from last year is the problem, is just your tech illiteracy.

Anyways, you can continue enjoying your emulators while I enjoy my actual hardware, that runs fine. Like >>4310598 said.
You're also so close minded that you think I don't use emulators almost daily when I have no access to my hardware on the go. It's funny though you get so defensive over a work in progress emulator.

You can continue to give me (You)'s if you wish. I'm tired of your shitposts though.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:43:31 2017 No.4311493

>>4311490
>There's no accurate information of anything, or benchmarks on the links you posted. Instead of being a pleb who does not know shit and still argues about it, you should do actual reachers yourself before you think you're entitled to talk about things.
K, try to run Rogue Squadron or Metroid Prime on any FX chip then. Go ahead.
>Dolphin is not that CPU heavy actually. The low power Atom in the GPD Win even runs GameCube and most Wii games fine.
>PCem and 86Box are not CPU heavy at all
Are you just trying to see how many false statements you can fit in one post?
>Anyways, you can continue enjoying your emulators while I enjoy my actual hardware, that runs fine. Like >>4310598 said.
That's fine. I'll continue to enjoy my emulators that run just fine. Enjoy living in your alternate reality bubble.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:52:39 2017 No.4311502

>>4311493
>K, try to run Rogue Squadron or Metroid Prime on any FX chip then. Go ahead.
There is no problem. You're like Garbage Pants that talks about things he does not know anything about, you actually think Dolphin emulating Wii is something that only high end CPUs can do.
Metroid Prime actually runs fine on Dolphin even on the GPD Win. Last time I tried a FX chip, it easily ran at 4k.

>Are you just trying to see how many false statements you can fit in one post?
You think emulating a x86 CPU and GPU from the late 90's is somehow CPU heavy? No, they just haven't optimized it, it's inefficient. Hence it's slow. Also it's still broken, because it's not magic, it takes time and research for them to implement it nicely.
You might think you're being clever and smart here, but all you're doing is getting laugh at by people who see your unironic shitposts.

>I'll continue to enjoy my emulators that run just fine.
>Enjoy living in your alternate reality bubble.
Stupidity and ignorance are a bliss, indeed. Enjoy.

I know you're too ignorant to believe anything, so I googled a little for you, because you're too dumb to do so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=645znAbb-5s
As you can see, it's _barely_ using 20% of the CPU.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:56:04 2017 No.4311507 Kek I enjoy seeing tech illiterate /vr/ tards getting BTFO but stop with the off toppic disussion

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:56:21 2017 No.4311508
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>tfw you haven't replaced your system for so long you've completely forgotten everything about hardware
I'll probably turn into one of those plebs who buys a random decent laptop, enough for emulation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:56:47 2017 No.4311512 >>4311508 A random decent laptop is all you need for most things

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:56:59 2017 No.4311513 >>4311502 What's the point of the spoiler tags? They make you look like a prat regardless of whether I agree with you or not.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:58:23 2017 No.4311516

>>4311502
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=645znAbb-5s
Framedrops galore, how impressive.
>As you can see, it's _barely_ using 20% of the CPU.
God you're so fucking stupid. If you understood what that meant in the context of a dual core emulator on an 8-core CPU on an intro level maybe you'd understand how fucking idiotic your entire post was.
As soon as you hit a rainy area or open up the map you'll probably start getting 20fps.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:58:28 2017 No.4311517

>>4311508
It'll work fine probably. If you feel like you won't need to spend all the time and effort and space to rig up like five more computers, just to get slightly better graphics and sounds and a bit faster FPS on all your games, a single decent laptop's probably good enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:58:39 2017 No.4311518 >>4311513 Its not /vr/ related

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 10:58:46 2017 No.4311519 >>4311513 Those posts are just waiting delegation, they are non-/vr/ related. Not everybody is a retard who enjoys shitting up the place for others.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:02:27 2017 No.4311526 >>4311516 Fuck off with your shit bait, retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:02:44 2017 No.4311528 >>4311516 This has to be bait. Not even 16 year olds these days are this tech illiterate. (they are actually, but mostly on /v/) See >>4309298 for pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:03:32 2017 No.4311529 >>4311526 >>4311528 Stop being such retards. If you're dropping frames and your CPU usage is 25% obviously you're CPU bottlenecked on 2 cores.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:05:12 2017 No.4311531
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>>4311512
>A random decent laptop is all you need for most things
That's true. I've had this piece of shit for 6 years now and it runs everything I want to play. The newest game I've played is Skyrim, which it ran fine on low settings.
Things are very different from the early 2000s, when it seemed True Gamers had to buy more RAM every year. I don't miss those years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:06:54 2017 No.4311538 >>4311516 >Framedrops galore, how impressive. Not a CPU issue though, an old version of Dolphin running at 4k, my dual Xeon wouldn't do it better

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:08:19 2017 No.4311540 >>4311538 That's exactly what all these posts are about. If your CPU has poor single-threaded performance all emulators including PC ones are just gonna run like shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:10:38 2017 No.4311545 >>4311529 >>4311540 You're literally too retarded to understand anything more than "muh cores" and "muh emulators". Are you baiting or are you actually this stupid?

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:11:28 2017 No.4311548

You know how people bitch about tiny inconsequential little differences between an emulated SNES and the real thing? With old IBM compatibles, those differences are a very real and striking problem.

The shit is cheap and easy to aquire, and playing it on the real hardware is actually night and day - dosbox just doesn't cut it in many, many instances.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:11:45 2017 No.4311549 >>4311545 You're the retard that said Bulldozers had just fine performance and he's getting 480p 20fps on 86Box. If you're that stupid I don't know why I'm even talking to you.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Sat Oct 7 11:14:12 2017 No.4311551

>>4311531
We've hit a plateau in PC power that it may take quantum computers to really break through. Hardcore elitists have to feel smug enough about marginally higher polygon counts/effects (or multithreads and sli to or whatever to simultaneously render one screen for each eye) to justify their thousand dollar brand new video cards now when back in the day if you didn't buy a pretty new system nearly every year new games were unplayable. I could never afford it which is part of why I enjoyed assembling an endgame tier vintage system.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:15:05 2017 No.4311556

>>4311549
>You're the retard that said Bulldozers had just fine performance
Except they do. Try a six core at 4.8GHz. Perfectly fine single core performance.

>he's getting 480p 20fps on 86Box.
Did he say he was running a Bulldozer? No.
I'm getting better results on an Atom and it's in every way worse then the Bulldozer FX chips.

>If you're that stupid I don't know why I'm even talking to you.
You're not hurting me, anon. I don't care if you stay dumb and ignorant.
I don't mind educating you a little, as you seem to be an fanboy and tech illiterate. Disgusting type of people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:17:24 2017 No.4311561 >>4311556 >Except they do. You just linked me a video of a fucking Piledriver getting framedrops on a GameCube game. >Did he say he was running a Bulldozer? No. He's either got a CPU with shit performance or he's using absolutely absurd settings.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:24:16 2017 No.4311581

>>4311561
>You just linked me a video of a fucking Piledriver getting framedrops on a GameCube game.
At 4k and 60 FPS.
You don't even realize this game was hard coded for 30 FPS on the original hardware. It didn't even run better on the Wii, still had a ED resolution and 1/2th refresh rate frame cap.

>He's either got a CPU with shit performance or he's using absolutely absurd settings.
But absolutely absurd settings are great on real hardware! Somehow I think (hint, personal experience) that it's not nearly perfect even running on a 600€ CPU from last year, even with non-absurd settings, compared to the real, cheap, old and shit hardware.
Is your emulator still too alpha to do that? No argument then.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:29:52 2017 No.4311591

>>4311581
>At 4k and 60 FPS.
At an unstable 60fps in the easiest area of the game, which is the default speed of the game. Dropping under causes audio stutter. The series even gets more demanding as it goes on, 2 runs shittier and 3 is probably not even playable on any AMD CPU pre-ryzen.
>You don't even realize this game was hard coded for 30 FPS on the original hardware. It didn't even run better on the Wii, still had a ED resolution and 1/2th refresh rate frame cap.
You're so dumb. Metroid Prime is a native 60fps 480p game.
>But absolutely absurd settings are great on real hardware! Somehow I think (hint, personal experience) that it's not nearly perfect even running on a 600€ CPU from last year, even with non-absurd settings, compared to the real, cheap, old and shit hardware.
You don't understand... I'm talking about absurd emulator settings ie using the interpreter instead of the recompiler for the CPU or the GPU and then wondering why everything runs at sub-30fps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:48:53 2017 No.4311631 It's fun. Before I bought a few 486s and Pentiums(socket 4) I thought that it was kinda tacky and unnecessary. Now I'm really having a blast. Beware... seeking out new components can be quite addictive.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:49:50 2017 No.4311636

>>4311591
>Metroid Prime is a native 60fps 480p game.
Dropping my case. If you make up shit or dont even bother checkimg things, youre too dumb to even have ironical arguments with.

Not to mention, youre talking about things saying "probably", you havent even tested this shit yourself and make arguments? Laughable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:55:45 2017 No.4311651 >>4309085 They do it specifically so you can vary your b8 thread topics up a little bit, voidanon.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 12:05:16 2017 No.4311678

>>4309085
You shouldn't care what people do with their own PC's. If they want to build a retro one, they can. Besides DOXbox and other emulators are a complete waste of time when you could much run an older version of Windows that would allow you to play MSDOS games without the confusion on how to run it(unlike DOSBox). Screw Windows 10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 12:17:12 2017 No.4311705 >>4309504 t. Abdullah Rashid Al-Schneider

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 12:38:34 2017 No.4311729

Oh man, you might not get an echo or two from Aureal that a select few had or enabled back then anyway. PCem and DOSbox are absolutely fine for 9x and DOS respectively. The more demanding 3D accelerated stuff runs in nglide or dgvoodoo natively.

You're likely a brainlet or running into the edgiest of edge cases if you can't emulate or otherwise get something running on a modern Windows PC.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 12:57:45 2017 No.4311761
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Is this the general retrocomputing thread?

I have this old Compaq laptop, that would make a perfect retro gaming laptop, except for one thing- I can't get the sound working. I installed Windows 98 SE, and then installed the drivers from HP's website, everything works except for the sound. Any ideas? I know it's a 2003 laptop, maybe I should just put XP on there instead?

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Sat Oct 7 13:07:09 2017 No.4311779
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>>4311761
All the sound including Windows sounds or just DOS sound? Because I went through some bullshit getting SB compatibility set up on my retro laptop. Have you confirmed the sound worked to begin with? Not a hardware problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 13:56:50 2017 No.4311841 >>4311705 Does not make his statement any less true.

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 13:58:36 2017 No.4311848

>>4311729
you didn't even read the thread, did you?
wrapper =/= emulator

>You're likely a brainlet or running into the edgiest of edge cases if you can't emulate
you think people who know how to configure actual hardware and spend thousands on real hardware are poor or brainlets? those people are the same ones who make emulators for retards like you

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 14:17:01 2017 No.4311901 >>4311779 Windows and DOS sound doesn't work, but I can get PC speaker sounds. I think it's a driver problem, but I might try Linux and see if the sound works there

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 20:19:38 2017 No.4312554

>>4311636
>Dropping my case. If you make up shit or dont even bother checkimg things, youre too dumb to even have ironical arguments with.
Find me a single link anywhere on the entire internet saying metroid prime is 30fps or a link saying they have a 60fps hack for the game. You're so wrong it physically hurts.
>Not to mention, youre talking about things saying "probably", you havent even tested this shit yourself and make arguments? Laughable.
Agreed, I should've said it couldn't. I know for a fact the CPU and GPU threads would desync and cause a crash in dual core mode due to the massive slowdown.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 20:21:08 2017 No.4312557 >>4310002 >pentium

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