/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.429328]

Why is my Saturn collection so small? I've only got...maybe 15 games for it (and two of them are just different versions of Daytona CCE).

[Anonymous No.429337]

>>429328
Bigger than my PS3 and DS collection. And my old Mega Drive collection.

[Anonymous No.429340]

>>429337
Well my Genesis collection was only 3 games (SINCE SONIC 3 AND SONIC & KNUCKLES ARE NOT SEPARATE GAMES) big but I was happy with it.

Being a Sonic fanboy that I am made it alright.

[Anonymous No.429363]

I know that feel, man. I've got...

Daytona CCE
Nights
Sonic R
MK3
Street Fighter Alpha
Tomb Raider

[Anonymous No.429364]

>>429340

sorry, but THEY ARE SEPARATE GAMES

[Anonymous No.429368]

More than I got. I only have Panzer Dragoon 1, Zwei and Saga and Tomb Raider.

[Anonymous No.429391]

Well, let me figure it out.

Daytona USA CCE US
Daytona USA CCE JP
Daytona USA
Virtua Cop
Virtua Cop 2 (I don't even own a lightgun)
Virtua Fighter 2
NiGHTS: into Dreams...
Sonic Jam
Sonic R
Sonic 3D Blast
Night Warriors: Darkstalkers' Revenge
Street Fighter Collection (SSF2, SSF2T, and SFA2G)
Street Fighter Zero 3 (most valuable game in my entire collection)
Road Rash

So 14 games.

[Anonymous No.429395]

>>429368
>saying you own PDS nonchalantly

[Anonymous No.429405]

>>429395

Would it help if I told you it's a near mint PAL copy and I got it for nothing?

[Anonymous No.429417]

>>429405
That's better.

[Anonymous No.429559]

I've only got one, Policenauts on the right here. There is a possible an English patch coming out. If it does, I will want to play it on original hardware so I can use the light gun. What do I need? A japanese console, a modchip to play burned games, and a new CRT that supports NTSC-J(I live in a PAL region and I'm not sure if the only CRT I have supports NTSC)?

[Anonymous No.429562]

>>429559
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.429570]

If you've only got one Saturn game, do you even own a Saturn?

[Anonymous No.429580]

>>429328
>and two of them are just different versions of Daytona CCE

So uh, have you checked to see if one of them is the Netlink Edition? If so, you just might be sitting on around a grand.

[Anonymous No.429583]

There's a serious lack of Panzer Dragoon in this thread

[Anonymous No.429584]

>>429580
I saw what you did, trying to cheat OP out of $9000

[Screwy !BDcKesnEik No.429631]

>Clockwork Knight
>Virtua Fighter 2
>vanilla Daytona
Be fortunate.

[Anonymous No.429996]

Why did some of you people even buy a Saturn if you don't have a single shmup in your collection?

[Anonymous No.430040]

let's see...

US
The three pack-ins
NiGHTS into Dreams...+Christmas NiGHTS
Fighting Vipers
Fighter's Megamix
The House of the Dead
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic Jam
Sonic R
Virtual On
Burning Rangers
Shining Force III
Shining The Holy Ark
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Battle Arena Toshinden Remix
Albert Odyssey
Megaman 8
Megaman X4
Croc
Cool Spot goes Hollywood
Scud
Darius Gaiden

JP (Action Repaly Plus)
Marvel vs Street Fighter
Street Fighter Zero 2
Rockman X4
Biohazard
Radiant Silvergun
Vampire Savior 3
Cyberbots
Gundam Blue Destiny 01

is this acceptable?

[Tensnake !S/BuDDdVmc No.430047]

>>429328

Because Sega of America went full retard with the Saturn

[Anonymous No.430067]

>>430040
This doesn't make sense. You have Panzer Dragoon and Saga but not Zwei? You have Biohazard but not Resident Evil? Why do you have both versions of X4?

[Anonymous No.430106]

>ctrl+f "Guardian Heroes"
>no matches

Go get it.

Now.

[Anonymous No.430204]

>>429996
Sonic Jam was the original motivation.

[Anonymous No.430432]

Get a modchip. It makes Saturn ownership so much better.

The v3 universal chip works with all Saturns, unless they were built with a Sanyo drive (Some 1997 models).

[Anonymous No.430473]

What do people think of Soul Hackers?

[Teabag !.Ul24J62Rw No.430480]

Because consumers were still recovering from the 32x

[Anonymous No.430514]

>>429363
MK3 was never released on Saturn

MK2, UMK3, and MK Trilogy were.

[Anonymous No.430538]

>>430514
It's UMK3. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.430547]

>>430514

>MKT

WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE GOTTEN A PORT OF THIS TO A NEWER CONSOLE WITH ONLINE PLAY

WHY DID UMK3 GET PORTED TO EVERYTHING

FUCK UMK3

I WANT TO PLAY AS RAIDEN

[Anonymous No.430550]

>>430473

I think it's coming out in English soon, so I'll tell you what I think then.

[Anonymous No.430565]

>>430550

I think he meant the first one.

[Anonymous No.430838]

Test

[Anonymous No.430980]

The good Saturn games were all Japan only.

[Anonymous No.431140]

>>430547
mkt was roughly 3 times more broken than umk3
but you could TURN OFF the dial a combo shit and make it a giant mk2

[Anonymous No.431325]

>>430980
You have a mental problem if you haven't found any good domestic Saturn titles.

[Anonymous No.431329]

>>430547
Because people would be spamming Noob's and Rain's infinites online all the time.

[Anonymous No.431336]

>>429996
Because Sega's arcade titles were a big draw back then.

[Anonymous No.431415]

>>430565

That's the exact same one that's coming out in english

[Anonymous No.431453]

The good Saturn games are loot these days. I've been trying to expand my library also but I can't find anything cheap. All I have is Virtua Fighter 2 now. I used to have Nights, Virtua Cop, Tomb Raider and Daytona, but they got lost when I was a kid. Any advice?

[Screwy !BDcKesnEik No.431494]

>>431415
He means the translation.
Unless you don't mean the 3DS remake.

[Anonymous No.431629]

>>429562
That's a pretty sexy collection you've got there. Also, the Policenauts translation patch is out for the PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.431652]

>>430432
seconding this
easy as hell to install too (if you have a model 2)

[Anonymous No.431734]

>>431629
oh I know and I've played it(you can see my cd case with the english disks in the bottom left), hence my collection, but I want to play the Saturn version if it comes out- it has light gun support, which is fun, and some extra scenes.

[Anonymous No.431742]

>>430432
how easy is it to install?

[Anonymous No.431749]

>>431734
Really? I might have to play that version later; however, I doubt that they would make another patch just for the Saturn version unless someone were really dedicated.

[Anonymous No.431764]

>>431742
if you have a model 2 (round buttons), you just plug the cd drive's ribbon cable into the modchip, plug the modchip's ribbon cable into the saturn's mobo, and solder a wire for power to a giant pin that is surrounded by plastic (impossible to fuck it up, even if you suck at soldering). That's it.

You also usually need to bridge two of the contacts on the modchip itself for some reason, which is really easy since they're next to one another and you don't even need to use a wire, just throw some solder on both and drag it across to connect them

[Anonymous No.431779]

>>431749
there's a team apparently working on it. Some Argentians ported the main patch code into Saturn assembly and the translator from the PS1 version is helping them with the script.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BevWB86UAkg&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.431798]

>>431764
ugh, soldering. That just adds up to more hassle and expense- I don't have a soldering iron or solder

[Anonymous No.431813]

>>431798
Yeah, well, no better time to learn. It's a good skill to have if you're interested in older games, since they'll require more and more maintenance.

[Anonymous No.431826]

>>431798
you can find soldering irons anywhere, even at dollar stores, you won't need an expensive one. Solder is cheap too. Everyone should have a soldering iron

[Anonymous No.431831]

>>431813
fair enough. Would the modchip let me play burned and different region games, or would I also need an AR?

[Anonymous No.431834]

saturn had no games

[Anonymous No.431858]

>>431831
you need an AR to play different region games, but same-region burnt games will play without it. just spring for the one that has the memory card and RAM expansion in it too.

[Anonymous No.431860]

>>431831
That should be the entire point of the mod chip, yes. Personally, I'm still too lazy to get a chip, so I just swap discs. I really need to get one, though.

>>431826
>soldering iron
>dollar stores
No. No, dear god, no. Don't do this. Bad idea. Get one that's got at least a little quality to it.

[Anonymous No.431867]

All I got is a model 2 Saturn, Panzer Dragoon, a 5-in-1 Action Replay, and the 3D controller. It can't get any worse than it already is

[Anonymous No.431868]

>>431834
That's not even remotely true. Take this kind of shit to /v/, please.

[Anonymous No.431872]

>>431868
Well, to be fair, it's true in the US.
Thanks, Bernie!

[Anonymous No.431880]

>>431868
it had more gaems than the bloody N64

[Thatmew !y.aZ6nV0iM No.432294]

>>431872
Even that's a huge exaggeration. We got Guardian Heroes, NiGHTS, Panzer Dragoon, Astal, Dragon Force, Magic Knight Rayearth, Albert Odyssey, Saturn Bomberman, Burning Rangers, and Die Hard Arcade off the top of my head. That's still a fairly impressive variety of games.

I mean, yeah, we got shafted on things like not getting the better original versions of Silhouette Mirage and Grandia, the better versions of the Lunar remakes, Princess Crown, Super Tempo, Shining Force III part 2 and 3, Dragon Force 2, shmups like Radiant Silvergun, Thunder Force V, the Gradius collection, and Keio Flying Squadron 2 (Probably a bunch of other shmups but I'm not really well versed in the genre to know)

People seem to have this misunderstanding that the Japanese-exclusive titles are an absolute necessity to even enjoy the system when that's simply not true. It helps a lot, obviously, but you can still definitely make do with what got translated.

It's nothing compared to the absolute shit support NEC gave the TurboGrafx 16 in comparison to what came out on the PC Engine in Japan.

[Anonymous No.432302]

>>431325
>domestic

Uh... that's what I said

[Anonymous No.432351]

>>431140
Broken-ness and a giant MK2 are good things.

>>431329
Pfff, like most people can execute those.

[Anonymous No.432356]

>>429328
>Why is my Saturn collection so small? I've only got...maybe 15 games for it (and two of them are just different versions of Daytona CCE).

Son, you need to step it up. I have more Saturns then you have Saturn games.

[Anonymous No.432385]

>>432356
share pics

[Anonymous No.432424]

>>432294
>(Probably a bunch of other shmups but I'm not really well versed in the genre to know)

Gradius collection, Salamander collection, every single Parodius game that existed (minus that strategy sidegame). Parodius Collection at least got a PAL release. Cotton 2 and Boomerang are also awesome, Cotton Boomerang especially so, one of the most impressive 2d shmups.

Also, arcade perfect Street Fighter Alpha 3, X-Men vs Streetfighter, Marvel Super Heroes vs Streetfighter, Cyberbots, and Darkstalkers 3. And the best non-neogeo and non-emulated port of Metal Slug 1.

Shit, the Saturn in japan only outlived the usa by a year and a half anyway. They should've just not make a Dreamcast until 2000 at least; then the Saturn would've had 10x better looking games by the end.

[Anonymous No.432457]

>>432385
>share pics

One day I'll make a pic of all my Saturns piled ontop of each other, but not right now. It's 1AM, I just spent 4 hours disassembling a and photographing a Saturn Karaoke Commander (SKC-1000, look it up) and it's only halfway done, and all but six of my Saturns are in bubblewrap packages (and out of that six, two are non-working, and two are properly boxed).

Here's an old picture. I've sold some of these since, but bought many others. Yes, my desk is from IKEA, that's why it looks so shit.

I'm trying to hunt down every different type motherboard used in Saturns, there were like 40 or 50 in total. I almost have all PAL machines by now though!

[Anonymous No.432462]

>>432457
why do you have so many saturns

[Anonymous No.432471]

>>432457
What the hell, Segata? Why so many?
I mean, hell, I've got two Saturns, and I occasionally reflect on that with thoughts such as "Why do I have two Saturns? I don't NEED two Saturns. I really need to get off my ass and get rid of one of these, since two is too many."

[Anonymous No.432520]

>>432457
You may be able to help me.

Quick question. I bought a saturn, and it will turn on. But, it won't read disks.

I've tried raising the spindle, I've cleaned the entire thing, I've reconnected the ribbon cables, and tried adjusting the power on the laser itself. The system goes to the main menu, but anytime I put in ANY cd's, it just flashes "reading disk format" over and over.

Do I just need a new laser assembly? When I turn it on, I can see the laser turn on though. I can buy another one no problem, but don't wanna spend the money if it won't fix it.

[Anonymous No.432540]

>>432462

He runs them all in parallel and discovers new prime numbers while playing video games

[Anonymous No.432546]

>>432471
I have two Saturns so I can put a mod chip in one. My first Saturn (with oval buttons) is HARDER THAN FUCK to find mod chips for.

[Anonymous No.432570]

>>432520
make sure every thing is plugged in nice and tight

[Anonymous No.432575]

>>432462
>why do you have so many saturns

I've already explained:
>I'm trying to hunt down every different type motherboard used in Saturns

Plan is to make photos of each, do a gallery, and write guides on how to mod them (region, modchip, 50/60hz, toslink, etc). Do comparisons, test compatibilities, make a list on when each machine was made, etc etc.

However right now I found employment, which means I'm buying more machines then I have the time/power to do photoshoots of.

And in the mean time, I'm playing them on my 42" plasma, or an old Sony projector I got from my sister.

[Anonymous No.432657]

>>432520
Have you tried cleaning the actual motherboards with isopropyl alcohol? I bought many Saturns as junk/nonworking, and a 15 minute clean wipe later they all worked flawlessly.

Make sure all cables are properly plugged etc. If the cubes in the CD player are miscolored/sized on default boot, then the CD drive is not connected or powered properly.

Raising the spindle is one thing, but if you raise it too high it again won't see the disc. There is a sweet spot to it.
Same for adjusting the laser power. In fact you should not do that unless as a last resort, since you need an oscilloscope to properly calibrate that, otherwise you might set it too high and end up shortening its lifespan.

Your best bet would be buying a new Saturn and swapping out the laser assemblies between the two, to see if it's the laser at fault or something else. The lasers cost quite a lot, and it's easy to find good Saturn deals on ebay.

If the laser is continuously moving up and down, and shining red, then it is actually trying to read the disc in. If that takes too long (even on audio CDs, not just Saturn ones), then it is entirely possible that it is worn out or broken. However out of the 20-30 Saturns I've owned/fixed/modded so far, only two had worn out lasers. Almost every single other one can in fact read BROKEN discs.

[Anonymous No.432674]

>>432457
>I'm trying to hunt down every different type motherboard used in Saturns, there were like 40 or 50 in total

Why in the world would a console go through so many hardware redesigns?

[Anonymous No.432703]

>>431779

oh you finally framed it! Looking good. how much was it again?

[Anonymous No.432704]

>>432546
>I have two Saturns so I can put a mod chip in one. My first Saturn (with oval buttons) is HARDER THAN FUCK to find mod chips for.

Consolegoods sells 20pin chips. You'll have to email the guy cause he can't publically list them due to paypal complaining. I've tested them in all but 2-3 very uncommon CD drives, and they work in everything but the Sanyo drives. For those, you need the old EMSIC7-1 type chips which he also sells.

Oddly, the prototype of his chips works with the Sanyo drive, but the final ones didn't.

Also, model 1 and model 2 says fuck all of the hardware inside: There are over 14 different motherboards, spanning over 4 different CD drive families, and about 12 different drives in total. Many model 1s and model 2s have the same type of boards in them, Sega was reusing old stock in new cases to get rid of them.

[Anonymous No.432706]

>>432657
I have a big bottle of alcohol, but what should I use to wipe it down? Cotton balls I'm afraid will leave lint and all the tabs etc will leave pieces behind etc. Thank you for your advice though.

[Anonymous No.432771]

>>432706
maybe one of those lens/screen cleaning cloths?

[Anonymous No.432808]

>>432704
>model 1 and model 2 says fuck all of the hardware inside
Yeah, I feel bad for anyone who buys a model 2 saturn looking to mod it only to find a 64-pin board inside.

Though someone did figure out that you can tell if a model 2 has a 32 pin board by looking at the vent holes at the bottom: if the wholes are partially obstructed by the internal metal casing the board is mounted to, it's a 32 pin. If the holes fit flush (you can't see the metal), it's a 64 pin.

[Anonymous No.432823]

>>432808
>wholes
sorry my brain isn't working quite right today

[Anonymous No.432841]

I have 14 games and loads of CD-Rs. God damn, I love you Saturn.

[Anonymous No.432916]

>>432674
>Why in the world would a console go through so many hardware redesigns?

1. to make manufacturing simpler, faster (0th generation Saturns were insanely fucking oddly assembled for example)

2. cost reduction (better PCB designs, combining several ASICs into one, etc)

3. reusing old stock more efficiently (even if you make a new combined ASIC that is cheaper to use, you still have to sell your old stock)

4. separate board designs for USA, JPN, an PAL machines. Halfway throughout they made USA and JPN machines use the same boards with different jumpers and bios rom, though. PAL machines also skipped through some hardware generations.

5. a Saturn specific thing: motherboards of even generation numbers used SD RAM, while odd ones used SGRAM. So a lot of extra board types were made just because of that. VA6 and VA7 are identical except that VA6 uses SGRAM, VA7 uses SDRAM, and so on for all boards starting from VA2 and up.

There were 16 generations in total, labelled VA0 to VA15. VA12 and 14 were never released, either because SGRAM supplies dried up by the time, or because they were too costly, The final board was VA15, and it had a single dual core SH2 instead of two single ones.

[Anonymous No.432949]

>>432916

But still, it just seems surprising. Retooling a manufacturing process isn't cheap, so there must have been considerable savings involved.

Also, your #5 reason sounds weird. Why did they do that? Was there a legit engineering reason? Or was it just based on fluctuations in ram prices?

[Anonymous No.432954]

>>432471
Because the second you get rid of one of your spares, like I did, the optical will fail on the one you kept and you will drive 2 hrs and pay some asshole $50 for a working unit. I have 3 in a closet now against this possibility; the Saturn was the last console I bought before last year when I finally broke down and bought a 360 to play Silent Hill: Downpour.

That being said...I am surprised no one has mentioned Astal...I always thought its was one of the last great 2D sidescrollers, with absolutely gorgeous music (that was all generated on the Saturn's audio hardware!) and was quite challenging to boot.

[Anonymous No.433007]

>>432706
I just use multi-layered (thick) tissue paper. However I've heard Kimwipes are better because the sharp parts don't tear them up as you wipe them. They don't have them where I live, so I can't try them out.

>>432808
>Though someone did figure out that you can tell if a model 2 has a 32 pin board by looking at the vent holes at the bottom:

Or you can read the serial number, which tells you the EXACT hardware generation. As long as the machine didn't change cases.
Syntax is:
- manufacturer ID (one or two characters)
- year (one char)
- hardware gen number (one char, numbers first, then letters for VA10+ boards)
- serial number of that run (6 numbers).

hardware gen number is the VAx number.
VA0-1 used 20pin drives,
VA2-5 used 21/64pin drives,
VA6-9 used 21/32pin drives,
VA10-15 used a later revision of the above.

Sometimes the hardware gen number is omitted, but I've only seen that in VA0 USA machines. Also, sometimes you have an extra 9 between the year and the hardware gen, those are officially refurbished machines.

This system applies to practically all Sega hardware more or less, except for V-Saturns (and JVC X-eye / Wondermega), Samsung Saturns, and the NAVI Saturn.

Here's a list you can use for references:
http://evilboris.sonic-cult.net/saturn/index.php

[Anonymous No.433157]

>>432954
>Because the second you get rid of one of your spares, like I did, the optical will fail on the one you kept

All my saturns can read BROKEN DISCS. Sometimes the loading times are longer, if the break in the disc makes the sides uneven.
These optics just don't fail easily.

Astal looked nice for a launch game, but I never found it too interesting. I liked Keio Flying Squadron better, because it's just too fucking batshit crazy to not like it, even if it's frustrating to play.
I've been meaning to check Super Tempo too, heard only good things from that.


>>432949
>Also, your #5 reason sounds weird. Why did they do that? Was there a legit engineering reason? Or was it just based on fluctuations in ram prices?

They either got a way good deal on SGRAM, or couldn't get SD RAM in a big enough volume at the time. I couldn't imagine any other reason.
What is even odder is that PAL machines only ever had SD RAM boards. I'm thinking they didn't have a license to use SGRAM there, or fell into some patent problem, I dunno. Very strange regardless.

>>432808
>Yeah, I feel bad for anyone who buys a model 2 saturn looking to mod it only to find a 64-pin board inside.

See funny thing is, if a modchip works for 32pin, it has to work on 64pin too, since the grand total difference between the two is 1 pin being double routed on the 32pin drive. The communication interface itself never changed, that's why you can mod any chip to work in 20pin machines too, you just need to route the pins properly.

There is also that idiocy where guides tell you to take a clock signal pin from one of the drive ICs. Which is completely retarded, because that clock signal pin goes directly into the ribbon cable!! Pin 1 on 21pin machines, pin 6 on 20pin ones.

It seems to me that no one actually bothered to sit down and check the differences between multiple machines, and so we have every single site on the net reporting stupid bullshit. Another reason why I want to collect/test every Saturn.

[Anonymous No.433197]

>>429363
>Street Fighter Alpha
That version ain't cheap.

[Anonymous No.433206]

>>429391
>Sonic Jam
How much did you pay for it?

[Anonymous No.433213]

>all those Saturns

Can i marry you anon?

[Anonymous No.433290]

>>433213
You want to marry a Saturn head?

[Anonymous No.433374]

Looking for Saturn games is nightmareish here in Nebraska/Iowa. It's almost nothing but sports games and when you find good stuff it's always overpriced.

Anyways, here's my collection.

Die Hard Arcade
Astal
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
Magic Knight Rayearth
Dragon Force
Burning Rangers
Bust A Move 2 Arcade Edition
Daytona USA
Virtual On
Virtua Fighter
Bug!
Clockwork Knight
Clockwork Knight 2
Sonic R
Galactic Attack
Mega Man 8
Shining Wisdom
Nights
X-Men Children of the Atom
Guardian Heroes
Dark Savior

Imports:
Vampire Savior
Thunder Force V
X-Men vs Street Fighter
Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter

[Anonymous No.433409]

My Collection

Sanic 3D Blast
Sanic R
Virtual On
Virtua Fighter 2
Virtua Cop 2
Clockwork Knight
NiGHTS into Dreams...
Sega Rally
Daytona USA CCE
Die Hard Arcade
Mr. Bones
Myst
Tomb Raider
Scud the Disposable Assassin
Croc: Legend of the Gobbos
Alone in the Dark
Imports: Christmas NiGHTS

[Anonymous No.433452]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDwkLPEr53I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbViimElGtY

[Anonymous No.433589]

I cannot brain tonight for some reason.

This me Saturns. What one suck for mod chip? Me smash good.

[Anonymous No.433630]

>>433589
that round button one should work with the racketboy mod chip

[Anonymous No.433661]

>>433630
Thanks. I bought that one a couple weeks ago because it had a much better chance of being mod-chip friendly. Seriously, I have some sort of phantom headache that is sapping my ability to focus on anything.

I also plan to burn Smash-It Steve to a VCD to play on my Saturn for shits and/or giggles when my VCD card arrives.

[Screwy !BDcKesnEik No.433680]

>>433661
>I also plan to burn Smash-It Steve to a VCD to play on my Saturn for shits and/or giggles when my VCD card arrives.
Please record the results. It'll be hilarious seeing Destroy-it Dave on a Saturn

[Anonymous No.433697]

>>432457
can

can i have one

[Screwy !BDcKesnEik No.433748]

What's the best modchip for a Model 1?

[Anonymous No.433773]

>>433680
Oh, I plan to, but it'll be a minute, thanks to me buying a Neo Geo and a car in the same month, I can't afford the stupid movie.

[Screwy !BDcKesnEik No.433781]

>>433773
Just torrent it

[Anonymous No.433787]

Why are Saturn S-Video cables so impossible to find. Couldn't someone just manufacture them? For fucks sake, composite looks like garbage.

[Anonymous No.433856]

>>433781
I have Time Warner Weyland Yutani for an ISP. I'm not trying to attract attention from a company that will throw you under a bus, then back the bus up and run you over again.

[Anonymous No.433889]

>>433787
Weird! A couple years ago, I bought s-video cables for my Saturn without any issue. They were only a couple dollars from China or some crap, and now they're impossible to find?

Also fuck ebay's bullshit typing prediction faggotry messing up all of my searches.

[Anonymous No.434146]

>>433007
Broken saturn guy again.

I tried cleaning the whole thing, alcohol and everything. And it's still doing it. Just keeps flashing "reading disk format."

The cubes are grayish-brown when the door is open, and green when I close it. When it's flashing, the whole screen seems to lag a bit, and the animations on the buttons kinda lag too.

I've cleaned the shit outta this thing 3 times now, and I've checked every possible connection. I even bought new power and AV cords for it.

Any diagnosis? I know a place I can get a replacement laser, but it's for JVC boards I think. How do I tell if mine is a JVC board or whatever? Because I also know where I can get one for Sanyo boards.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.434223]

>>434146
Sounds like a fucked board or laser assembly, and it would just be cheaper to just get another Saturn. There's one on ebay right now for $51 shipped. Item 221199422576

[Anonymous No.434270]

>>434223
Found out my board is a JVC board, so I'll probably just buy the laser. It's 25 bucks, and if that doesn't work, I'm just going to give up on ever playing a Saturn. I can't make myself buy another one for $50, I'll just be afraid it won't work either.

[Anonymous No.434401]

>>434270
Feh, your blood is thin! I collect like a fiend, and I DON'T EVEN REALLY ENJOY PLAYING VIDEO GAMES.

[Anonymous No.434429]

>>434401
I collect mostly Nintendo like a fiend, but only recently got into Sega stuff in the last few weeks. I think once I get my hands on a Dreamcast, I'll probably end up wanting to get another Saturn.

[Anonymous No.434439]

I cant even get it to emulate right

I've got a wiibrew emulator on my wii that runs as slow as inhumanly possible, and on a computer, the emulator doesnt even work at all

[Anonymous No.435035]

>>434439
SSF, whatever the latest version is, will run fine on any PC assembled in the past five years. I was able to use it to beat Symphony of the Night with Maria. Had to play with a Gravis Gamepad Pro, though, as I had no Saturn to USB adapters. BUT THAT WILL CHANGE SOON WHEN MY ASSOCIATES IN CHINA SEND MY PACKAGE.

[Anonymous No.435776]

I've got about 25

[Anonymous No.435792]

>>435776
Here's the J

[Anonymous No.435989]

Let's see... The last time I did inventory, this was my Saturn collection:

Blazing Heroes
Daytona USA
Fighting Vipers
Need for Speed
Road Rash
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Virtual Hydlide

I found Virtual On, Fighters Megamix, and Daytona USA (pack-in version) in stack of CDs... but Daytona is dead, and I think SFA2 has enough irreparable damage to it that it's dead too.

Sucks. I don't abuse my games, but I always seem to find ruined games everywhere I go. Thankfully, I don't have any CDs with daylight showing through the printed side that are worth more than $20 on ebay.

[Anonymous No.436239]

>>435989
Oh, and I recently bought Soviet Strike, but for the life of me, I cannot find it. It WAS on my desk, but now I only remember moving it to some place where it wouldn't get damaged. Which apparently was not with my other Saturn games. Fucking hell. My memory's been shitty since my eighth concussion.

[Anonymous No.436264]

Get the Darius games.

[Anonymous No.436326]

>>436264
I'll never play a Darius game again after Darius Twin for SNES. Who would have thought that shooting robot fish could be so boring?

[Anonymous No.436384]

>>433007
can you make sense of my serial?
067048815

[Anonymous No.436476]

Does anyone know if the HiSaturn video CD cards are compatible with the US saturn? I know that if you want to use the card, you need either the AR or a region free BIOS

[Anonymous No.436548]

Hey I used to own Saturn as well. Let's see:

Daytona
Manx TT
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Marvel vs Capcom
D
Area 51
Sega Rally
Sonic 3D
House of the Dead

Eh

[Anonymous No.436582]

>>436476
Should be. Yakumo did a video on the Hi-Saturn and talked about mpeg cards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1N7L6HBqYU

[Anonymous No.436615]

>>436582
brilliant, guess I'll pick one up then. Does the VCD work with burned discs without a modchip?

[Anonymous No.436664]

>>436615
To the best of my recollection. Just make sure you don't get a PAL MPEG card, or you'll have color noise in your video. Or, if you have a PAL Saturn, don't get an NTSC card.

Beh. Making VCDs is easy if you use VirtualDub with an MPEG2 plugin to convert your source videos. I think. Can't think straight.

[Anonymous No.436696]

>>436664
yeah I checked. It's one of the Hitachi cards, coming from South Korea. It should work with my NTSC Saturn with the action replay cart

[Anonymous No.436721]

>>429391
What's the difference between the US and JP version?

[Anonymous No.437127]

My collection.

[Anonymous No.437158]

>>431140

All my youth staring at that arcade cabinet, and I've never noticed how goofy that dragon on the side looks. Just look at its chicken legs.

[Zangief !!YG0uo46UrxQ No.437180]

>>430980

Odd, pretty sure I played the best Saturn game in AMERICA!

[AnusMoony !!UDpQoP3QLU6 No.437262]

>>429328
I Have:
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic R
Sonic Jam
Astal
Baku Baku Animal
Clockwork Knight
Clockwork Knight 2
Bug!
Bug Too!
Shinobi Legions
Virtual Pinball
Power Slave
NiGHTS into Dreams
Three Dirty Dwarves
Virtua Fighter
Virtua Fighter 2
Battle Arena Toshinden URA
Golden Axe: The Duel
Street Fighter Alpha
Xmen: Children of the Atom
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Virtua Cop (2 copies)
Virtua Cop 2
Area 51
Virtual On
Cyber Sled
Robotica
Daytona USA
Nascar 98
NHL 95
Madden 97
Burning Rangers
Iron Man XO Manowar
Blazing Dragons
Gex
Johnny Bazookatone
Loaded
Crime Wave
Fighting Vipers
Independence Day
Mega Man 8
MYST
NBA Jam T.E.
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Revolution X
Sky Target
Solar Eclipse
Soviet Strike
Spot Goes to Hollywood
Virtua Racing
Zoop
Street Fighter Alpha 2
and
Ultimate MK3

[Anonymous No.437282]

I only have this for my Saturn. Found it at a garage sale for 5 bucks.

[AnusMoony !!UDpQoP3QLU6 No.437287]

>>437282
You a real funny guy, ya?
If you actually did...Fuck you...I mean, that was rude of me. I'm happy for your fortune...prick, I mean...good find.

[Anonymous No.437294]

>>437287
Thanks, asshole.

[AnusMoony !!UDpQoP3QLU6 No.437313]

>>437294
You're welcome.

Seriously though, I've had a fair number of fortunate moments in the past, but my greatest overall monetary value of a find vs. a cost was getting Intelligent Qube for $6.

[Anonymous No.437424]

>>431798
>That just adds up to more hassle and expense

Better than paying $200 to play PDS.

[Anonymous No.437675]

>>433589
Left one is a VA5 with a 64pin board, right one is a VA0 with a 20pin board.

Consolegoods chip works on both.

Stay away from Racketboy chips, they use extremely thin pcb, they break if you fart in their general direction.

[Anonymous No.437691]

>>437675
>Stay away from Racketboy chips, they use extremely thin pcb, they break if you fart in their general direction.
This, so much. I bought one and the PCB was falling apart when I got it (bad soldering, edge connector contacts FALLING OFF, etc).

[Anonymous No.437692]

>>437282
I had PD Saga a few years ago, managed to buy it relatively cheap (~100$), but I sold it last year for twice the price I bought it for. Needed the money.

>>434270
You still have to calibrate the laser, so don't expect it to work out of the box, you'll have to fiddle around with it for a while.

>>436476
I know for sure that it doesn't work with PAL machines. I haven't checked it on my USA machine yet, but I'm fairly sure the mpeg card roms are region locked, so they probably wouldn't work unless you use a PAR or a region free bios.

>>433748
>What's the best modchip for a Model 1?
consolegoods chip works in model 1s.

>>433787
>Why are Saturn S-Video cables so impossible to find

My RGB cable pities your s-video.

[Anonymous No.437721]

>>435792
looks like someone let off a collection grenade in here

[Anonymous No.437724]

Guys, two questions:

1) Just HOW good is Panzer Dragoon Saga really?
2) Can I get it decently emulated on a modern PC? Or maybe PSP?

[Anonymous No.437806]

>>437724
1. It has a relatively small world and relatively short story to it (especially compared to todays games, but even when compared to, say, Final Fantasy 7). But what there is, destroys every other game in the amount of detail and beauty put into it. And the fighting system is unique.

2. get SSF, it's an emulator for the PC, I played the game on it back in 2007 - as long as you have a decent machine, it'll run fine on it.

You are better off getting a Saturn and a modchip though, because SSF can be complicated and there are still some games that don't work for it.

[Anonymous No.440561]

>>433206
I bought it when it came out, so $50.

[Anonymous No.444050]

>>437721
It did. My collection is splattered everywhere.

[Anonymous No.444075]

>>429340
They are separate games. They even come in separate boxes...

[Anonymous No.446149]

any advice for someone in a PAL territory who wants to get a saturn and region free/play backups on it? Saturns tend to be fairly pricey where I live so I want to plan out my purchase.

[Anonymous No.446531]

>>446149
Maybe a US Saturn with a SCART cable, with SCART to VGA adapter? A bit complicated, but not terribly expensive. Then you have Japanese games open to you (with an Action Replay cart, natch).

[Anonymous No.446596]

>>432575
...Do you contribute to Sega Retro by any chance?

[Anonymous No.446605]

>>446531
yeah i heard action replay makes it region free.
I should be fine outputting an NTSC signal to my HDTV, i guess the only problem then is a power source that fits UK sockets but is compatible with the saturn (and actually finding an action replay cart).

[Anonymous No.446614]

>>446605
Indeed it does, but there are a couple games that don't work with it, but I think that's something that's fixable.

It's not like those games weren't ported a million times anyway. Personally, I didn't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.446618]

>>446605
Saturn has an internal PSU. Might need to get involved.

[Anonymous No.446634]

>>446605
also http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-k8-49-en-70-1b2.html

[Anonymous No.446695]

>>446605
You can put a UK power board in a US Saturn without replacing the whole system. 8 screws.

[Anonymous No.446752]

>>446695
Thank you, i've just been scouring the net trying to find information on this. I assumed the Saturn used the same generic plug that the Dreamcast did but like my Super Famicom, I wanted to make sure that it was safe to import any kind of NTSC saturn and play it here.

Does it matter which model of saturn I use to swap power supplies?

[Anonymous No.446851]

>ctrl+f
>winning post
>0 results

Do you even race? Best fucking horse game ever.

[Anonymous No.447125]

>>446752
The UK got fewer Saturn variants than the US did, but it should be. Remember, the system itself should have the same internal power requirements. The power board in the system is what converts your home voltage into something smaller that the console can digest. Like the power supply for your computer, only without the dual voltage switch option.

Should work, but I have no idea where to get a UK Saturn power board. Might be easier to just get a stepdown converter.

[Anonymous No.447230]

>>447125
a stepdown converter for a us saturn to uk power?
possibly. i'll look into it, thanks.

[Anonymous No.447312]

>>447230
hmm it does seem to be the cheaper option as i can get a converter off of amazon for £7. Now i just need to pick up a US saturn, scart lead and action replay.

thanks for everyone's help.

[Anonymous No.447341]

>>432457
Motherfucking bro material right here. Any nigga that appreciates the Saturn is a nigga of mine.

[Anonymous No.448172]

>>446596
I haven't published my research yet, and I don't see the point in contributing to Sega Retro because they'll end up stealing any info I publish anyway.

[Anonymous No.448236]

>>446149
>any advice for someone in a PAL territory who wants to get a saturn and region free/play backups on it? Saturns tend to be fairly pricey where I live so I want to plan out my purchase.

Add a 50/60hz switch and a region free bios. Or, instead of the bios, add a modchip and burn regionmodded copies. I do the latter because I don't have a ROM burner nor a heat gun to desolder the standard bios.

Action Replay is only an intermediate solution. It does not allow you to save on the cart from games, only to the internal memory. You have to copy your saves onto the Action Replay from its own menu. So it is kind of useless for some games that do bigger saves. You also have to go through its ugly startup menu, and a few SNK games that need 1mb ram carts are broken on it (they are broken with all 4mb ram carts).
So you are better off burning your regionmodded games and using a normal save cart. Except for the handful of games that need the 4mb ram cart, for those the Action Replay is a good idea.

>>446695
>You can put a UK power board in a US Saturn without replacing the whole system. 8 screws.

You can, but keep in mind that there are 3 different power supply form factors for the Saturn. You need to find a matching one. But why the hell would you want to use a US Saturn when PAL ones are dead easy to mod for 60hz?

Also, NTSC saturns need aftermarket SCART cables because they have a slightly different video pinout.

[Anonymous No.448598]

>>448236
is it easy enough to install the region switch? it's something i considered doing to my mega drive but I worry i'll break the system.

[Anonymous No.448658]

>>448598
For the Megadrive 1, it's piss easy, as you have jumper points on the motherboard, and you can handle all 3 positions with 1 switch. (it won't allow you to use JPN/50 but why would you need that anyway).

Megadrive 2 and 3, it is more complicated, as there are no premarked jumper points on most of their boards, so the process is different on a board type basis (MD2 had at least 5 revisions, MD3 had at least 2). I think you still can do it with only 1 switch for all 3 regions tho.

If you can handle a solder iron, you won't end up breaking the system. You just have to solder 3 cables from the motherboard to a switch.

[Anonymous No.448761]

I only have four games; Virtua Fighter, Myst, Space Hulk, and Independence Day. Previously, in my youth, I had about twenty games (most of them bought on sale), which I later foolishly sold in college.

My Saturn is basically a hobby car. I bought it out of love and nostalgia, but it very clearly needs a bit of work, maintenance, and TLC before I'll be up all night playing it again.

I spent $50 for it and its games last year, and it looks like, fore long, I will have spent $100 more.

Ah well. Sega Saturn shiro!

[Anonymous No.448898]

>>430106
The NA release costs way too much (a bit over $100 I think), so I picked up the Japanese version for like $15. This is what I like about the Saturn - Japanese versions of the same great games cost way way less (for the most part)

[Anonymous No.449240]

>>448898
You should get into Neogeo collecting then, especially since carts have both jp/eng languages in them, you just have to mod the console itself for the alt region.

A guy sold his complete collection of US Neogeo carts and bought all of them in Japanese, and he made like 5000$ on the deal and still got to play all his games

[Anonymous No.449541]

>>449240
Also one MVS boards are going real cheap lately and since /vr/ all has rgb displays (right?) it's not hard to consolize them.

[Anonymous No.449578]

I use the swap trick on my Model 1 Saturn. But the only physical games I have are:

NFL Quarterback Club 97 & 96
Alone in the Dark 2
Cyberia
College Slam
FIFA 96
Ghen War
Daytona USA
NHL All Star Hockey
Pebble Beach Golf Links
Thunderstrike 2
Solar Eclipse
World Series Baseball
Virtua Cop (with lightgun)
Virtua Fighter 2
Panzer Dragoon
Darius Gaiden

[Anonymous No.450830]

[Anonymous No.450865]

>>449578
Good luck not ruining your CD drive.

[Anonymous No.450891]

>>450865
What this guy said, that shit will fuck your CD drive in a month, people really need to stop suggesting the swap method, or at least advise that it will fuck up your saturn in no time

[Anonymous No.451320]

So I recently got a Saturn and I have about 10 games for it so far, but I also chipped it last night and burned a few games that I probably won't get around to purchasing.

Total cost for each game with super nice clear case + heavy photo quality paper + printer ink + Taiyo Yuden CDRs came out to $2-$3 per game.

How does /vr/ store their bootlegs? Also, does playing burned games on the Saturn really put more strain on the laser?

[Anonymous No.451345]

Is HOTD one of them, OP?

[Anonymous No.451534]

bump

[Anonymous No.451672]

>>451320
>How does /vr/ store their bootlegs?
I don't.

[Anonymous No.451861]

>>450891
>that shit will fuck your CD drive in a month
Been using the swap trick for years, eat a dick.

[Anonymous No.451917]

>>451672

Like, you don't burn games, or do you just leave burned game on the cd spindle?

>stack of burned DC games up in my loft on a spindle
>cat knocks it over the side
>falls 14 feet onto hardwood floor
>bits of burned games everywhere

[Anonymous No.451921]

>>451861
That's just based on the fact that the swap trick is really rough on your drive, since you're suddenly stopping it so many times.

[Anonymous No.451930]

>>451320
I burn all of my DC/SS games on Lightscribe CDs, burn a label (usually that of the original disc), and store them in a blank clear CD jewel case.
As for my GC/Wii backups, I use a normal DVD, and write the title on it in sharpie.

[Anonymous No.452174]

>>450891
>that shit will fuck your CD drive in a month, people really need to stop suggesting the swap method

Stupid fucking internet rumour. It does wear the drive, but it won't kill it in a month, and even in the worst case you just have to replace the spindle motor.

[Anonymous No.452192]

>>451320
Cheap ass CD booklets, I'd like to do what you did though

[Anonymous No.452195]

>>451921
It also forces the drive to strain and find a TOC that initially loaded from the first game, and has to struggle to find it from the swapped game.

[Anonymous No.452558]

>>452195
The cd drive loads the TOC to memory so that's not an issue. You put in game -> drive reads TOC, checks sector 1 for boot info -> if boot info found, check for security rings -> if security ring found, launch the initial program in sector 1, which loads the rest of the game.

So you put in a backup, then you swap in an original game for the ring check, then you swap back in the backup.

[Anonymous No.454706]

>>451930

I might pick up some lightscribe discs.

Care to share some pictures?

[Anonymous No.454715]

>>454706
Tomorrow, if the thread hasn't died.

[Anonymous No.454730]

>>454706
If the thread does die, I'll make another thread tomorrow specifically for that purpose.

Also, send me your email address at [e-mail], and I'll get back with you for sure.

[Anonymous No.454831]

>>436326
That's why you play every Darius game EXCEPT for Darius Twin because it's so fucking boring. It's an unfinished game that got rushed to launch.

Darius Gaiden is one of the best shooters ever made.

[Anonymous No.456212]

>>451320
Where did the DVD case inserts come from? I mean, of course, the images? Is there a repository I might download? My Sega CD and Saturn cases are a shambles.

[Anonymous No.456234]

>>456212
http://www.thecoverproject.net/

[Anonymous No.456387]

>>456234
Thanks. I haven't been there since they first started.

[Anonymous No.456659]

>>456234
I fucking love this website, their custom cases most of the time are even better than the original

[Anonymous No.456674]

>>454831
Darius Gaiden either hurts your fingers or is too easy, depending on whether you use autofire or not.

[Anonymous No.456752]

Saturn top 10?

1. PDS
2. VF2
4. NiD
7. DG
30. BM

you?

[Anonymous No.456758]

>>429364
>>444075

You realize it was one game broken into two parts due to executive meddling, right?

Of course you don't.

[Anonymous No.456767]

>>456752
>no Bulk Slash
plebian

[Anonymous No.456772]

>>430047
>Because Sega of America went full retard with the Saturn

You can thank Bernie Stolar for that. Just think how different gaming might have been if he stayed at Sony.

[Anonymous No.456792]

>>456772
Everyone seems to blame Bernie for this, but basically SEGA of America said "here Bernie, we're pulling the plug on the Saturn and start working on a new console, try to give it a painless death as possible as you can"
He couldn't do dick nor shit, SEGA just wanted to quickly move on to the Dreamcast, which he did a great job at, a great launch and everything, but at that point the consumers didn't have any trust and SEGA anymore and its demise was inevitable.

[Anonymous No.456834]

>>456792
>here Bernie, we're pulling the plug on the Saturn and start working on a new console
Uh-huh. And why were they pulling the plug on the Saturn again? Right.

[Anonymous No.456858]

>>456792

He pulled the plug on his own, and had a terrible localization policy. Working Designs had to fight to be able to release anything.

[Anonymous No.456859]

>>456834
Because it stalled horribly before Sega even recruited Stolar from Sony.

[Anonymous No.456863]

>>456858
>He pulled the plug on his own
That ain't true nigga

[Anonymous No.456868]

>>456859

Imagine if a sony rep just came out and claimed that the ps3 wasn't the future like 2 years ago, just because they knew that they had another system in the pipeline.

[Anonymous No.457332]

>>456674
Try breaking 10 million points in it.
Suddenly it won't be that easy, even with autofire.

[Anonymous No.458607]

Del says

"Bernie Stolar dropped the ball with the RAM cartridge
X-Men vs Street Fighter could have cornered the market"

[Anonymous No.459020]

Bah, I tried printing out a new cover for Virtual On, and my POS printer decided to ejaculate black ink all over it. THE DREAM IS DEAD.

[Anonymous No.459062]

>>429328
Don't feel bad, OP. I don't have any games for it or the console itself.

I reeeeaaaallly want one. Same goes for the Neo Geo, TG-16, and Master System. I have pretty much every other retro console of note, though.

[Anonymous No.459294]

>>456752
> abbreviations
uhhhh yes my favorite game is fvg

[Anonymous No.459364]

>>458607
Expanded the market. Del was right.

Fuck yeah Proto Culture.

[Anonymous No.463113]

As someone who's collecting old school shooters there's a few I'm trying to get:

Powerslave
Aliens trilogy
Congo

Also not a first person shooter but still a good game is resident evil.

I heard the saturn version of resident evil is unique, has some nice game mode the psx version doesn't have. Anyone here go any of these games I mentioned?

[Anonymous No.463573]

>>463113
I burned PowerSlave and Alien Trilogy.

Both seem like they'll be good.

[Anonymous No.463984]

Just picked up a working Saturn (with all hookups and a controller), the 3D controller, and four games for 50 bucks. Did I do good?

Additionally, of the four games, Virtua Fighter 2 and Daytona USA I know, but are "Bug!" or "Galactic Attack" any good?

[Anonymous No.464001]

>>451320
Where'd you get the "super clear nice case"?

I have a few loose Saturn games around that I'd like to put in a case, and that would come in handy.

[Anonymous No.464023]

>>463113
Played Alien Trilogy back in the day. It feels like a Doom clone mostly, but it has amazing atmosphere, and dat tension.

[Thatmew !y.aZ6nV0iM No.464040]

>>463984
Bug is a forgettable 2D platformer that I admittedly haven't played in somewhere close to a decade and remember very little of and Galactic Attack is actually a localization of RayForce, a pretty awesome Taito shmup that if I remember right has a mode that lets you flip your TV sideways for proper 3:4 display.

[Anonymous No.464063]

>>464040
Guess I'll just have to try Bug! out when I can. Galactic Attack/RayForce sounds sweet, and the "flip your TV" thing sounds like Gunbird 2 (which I played on DC). Alright, sounds like I'm in for a treat. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.464065]

Alien Trilogy is on basically every platform of the time, but unfortunately I lost my Windows version so I can only comment on the PS1 version (in dat longbox case). Graphics are Doom style, and very atmospheric. Music is amazing. But damn the controls are so stiff. Don't play it on the hardest difficulty, you'll lose half your health trying to turn around. Its definitely a slow paced, almost survival-horror style shooter. Its basically a budget game, so there's no reason not to pick it up. And also Road Rash, another awesome multiplatform title.

I don't know why Trilogy is so rarely mentioned though. Its way better than that obscure Jaguar Aliens game that gets brought up all the time.

[Anonymous No.464401]

>>464001
Not the guy you're querying, but it took a couple seconds on Bing then Amazon to find this.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DYRY7O/

[Anonymous No.464423]

>>464001
Not the guy you're querying, but it took a couple seconds on Bing then Amazon to find this.
www.amazon.com/dp/B001DZ1COE/

[Anonymous No.464458]

And these
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DYRY7O/

I would buy some, but my printer is shit, so unless I want E̡̹̎̔͐͑́͂̀͜C̸ͧ͊ͨ̇̂̑͏̟̖̘C̛̹͈̙̙̯̫̪̓ͫ̎ͤ͗̌̉͊͝ͅƠ̭͔̰̒̑̇̏̏͋͘ ̷̰͎̜̤̼̭̲͛̄ͧ͗̒͜ͅT̺̠̜̖̔̈́Ȟ̂̈̇ͩ̐́͏̵͔͚̫͖̙̹̮̼͟E̞͔̟̺̟͙ͨͯ͐̀ ̝͙̳̪̖ͨ̔͐͆͒͋ͥ̐̚͠D͓̲̰̘̼̥̩̈̽ͭ̽ͭͣ͟͝Ǫ͈͔̥̙̫̬͋ͭ̿̽͆͡L̵̗̩̼̤ͥ̂̅͊̓̈́͐͢ͅP̶͍͔̬̝̟͔ͦ̃͠͞H̸͕͎̱̩͚ͥI̥̦̲̹̅ͩͣN̦͚͎̉̍͂͗̉̓̒ͦ̀:̧̫̣͉̯̜̞͍ͫ̏̆̊͗̌ͫͦ ̬͈̪̥̳̦ͣT̶̷̠̺͊ͪ͛ͪ̑ͯͧ͗̓̀Î̗̱̲̖̓̄̇̾̉̕D͍̻̠̯̻̝͉͛͑ͨ͡E͊͐̃͏͙̗̬̪ͅS̞̬͉̺̯̗͇̅̅̎ ̢̡͎̘͍̯ͪ̓ͦ̍̐̅̂ͥ͋͝O̎̾́̐͏̨̮̭͔̳̬͚͇͔̳͝F̤̱͈̬̼̳̣̒̌̑ ̤͔͓͕͈̖̲̬͆ͬ̑ͩ͗̾ͨ̋͠͠T̢̮̀̿̑͆̂͗̊͜Į̸̲̺͈̙̪̲̅̓͊ͦͣ̿̿̊̂M̰̪ͥ͛̒̅͌̈́ͤ͊ͬ́́̕E͇̝̘̣͎̼̪̓̆͐̆, I'll just wait until I get a new printer.

Yeah, I know, "I'll wait" is the death sentence for collectors.

[Anonymous No.465253]

>>463984
Bug is a love it or hate it game. It's pretty fun when it isn't being frustratingly hard. Also, it's pretty damn long.

VF2 is a classic, and Galactic Attack is one of the better shmups released overseas. If you play it with rotated screens, it has a lot of extra graphical effects.

Daytona USA is a bad port. Granted, not as bad as House of the Dead or Sega Touring Car.

[Anonymous No.467157]

>>464001

I bought these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002ROIE2I/..