HoMM/Might and Magic thread

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HoMM/Might and Magic thread Anonymous Tue Sep 19 13:36:01 2017 No.4270068 [Reply] [Original]

Astrologers proclaim month of the GREETINGS AND SALUTATIONS

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Anonymous Tue Sep 19 13:45:14 2017 No.4270089

>>4270068
So I've played 1 - 8, but dropped 2 due to my irritation at having the monsters reinforce all the time.

Did anybody like this game? Was I doing it wrong? Is there a way to make it fun or was leaving it behind the right move?

Also, is 9 in a playable state?

My alternative is to switch to Ultima VII.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 14:04:17 2017 No.4270127

>>4270068
Anybody know how to improve the rmg for h3? I have the balance, jeebus, etc scripts. But im looking to improve the basic rmg, so I can still have randomness and flexibility but without shit like portals or too many extra towns and other shenanigans. Any input is helfup, praise Jesus.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 14:26:11 2017 No.4270158

>>4270127
As far as I know, it's some difficult shit messing with random map templates. I recommend trying them out and finding out ones you like. Frozen Dragons is a personal favourite.

Here's a link detailing the different templates' town and zone generation rules and I think there's a link to some editing program. http://forum.heroesworld.ru/showpost.php?p=564869&postcount=57

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 15:03:23 2017 No.4270218 >>4270158 Nice ill check this out, thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 18:11:11 2017 No.4270647 Favorite party in mm8? inb4 4 dragons

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:54:03 2017 No.4271980

>>4270089
9 is playable at any patch 1.2 or after. GOG uses 1.3.

With 2 you should turn difficulty to minimum and get items that cast AoE spells to clear out big groups. Duplication will carry over charges and buffs from any items, and if I remember right you don't even need to equip an item to use it, you just lose out on the buffs. The flaming sword from the gemmaker's volcano alone kills 6 at a time and that's 36 a round minus any healing you need to do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:56:45 2017 No.4271985 >>4270647 4 dragons is actually a relatively weak party late because other than flame blast their damage is awful due to recovery time never going down. Most fun party is probably KKKCS or KKKKC. CRAG SMASH!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:34:55 2017 No.4272064 File: 93 KB, 760x492, glomenthal.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was "take your kid to work" day when they designed those two swords?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:55:43 2017 No.4272084 >>4272064 Built perfectly for thrusting

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:45:35 2017 No.4272187 >>4270068 How early should i be building a second level mage guild? And I guess third week. I play mainly might heroes and forget to upgrade past 1. I'm assuming you'd upgrade sooner with a magic hero.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:07:07 2017 No.4272232

>>4272187
>How early should i be building a second level mage guild?
When your level 7 dwelling is done along with all the crucial upgrades (Gremlins for Tower).
>. I'm assuming you'd upgrade sooner with a magic hero.
Not really. Magic heroes mostly have a purpose in the early game in spamming Magic Arrow with high Spell Power or one of their innate level 4 spells (Deemer, Solmyr) to rush/clear. The only level 2 spell that really helps this playstyle is either Ice Bolt or Lightning Bolt, and you might not roll either if you're unlucky, which means you sunk costs into something not that great. Blind is also a great spell, but it never goes AoE and it doesn't necessarily unlock the same purpose as the offensive spells, so it's not any better than Mass Slow.

In campaigns you might wanna rush mage guilds if you already start with a large or fast army and all you need to do is sweet spells to seal the deal (Resurrect, Implo, Berserk).

It's unlikely that you will do some unwinnable fights with spells from the 2nd circle that you couldn't with Slow, and you lose a lot of resources and a day of building if you don't manage to get anything good.

Better bank on finding your spells in the numerous Scrolls or Shrines on the map rather than gamble on expanding your Mage Guild this early. Especially since building dwellings lets you stockpile your creatures for later.

However once you have all dwellings you might as well go Mage Guild. You said "by third week", so it might work out - some towns, even on 200%, let you be fully built up by week 3, and some maps (Jebus Cross template) are so ridiculous as to allow Angels in week 1.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:48:34 2017 No.4272849 >>4272232 Awesome advice thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:57:52 2017 No.4272858 I still say that all the artifacts are actually advanced technology that the locals believe are flaming swords and shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:07:47 2017 No.4272876 >>4272858 Most of them have flavor text that explains their origins. The ones that were made by the Heavenly Forge probably are just advanced technology made to look like conventional weapons and armor.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:48:58 2017 No.4273435

Ok, MM3 solo Archer run completed. As expected it was basically trivial once you get Thievery and Teleport. The level, might, and speed fountains will carry you past anything you may need. Since all of those plus hp/sp regeneration are within teleport range of Fountain Head (as such you might as well leave your Lloyd's Beacon here) there really isn't anything that can cause problems. The only things I wiped on more than once for the rest of the game were the Vulture Rocs on the Earth Isle. That wasn't from damage, it was the paralyze effect which solo is an instawipe. With high level Power Shield up you just don't take much damage from anything. Even the terminators were a joke because I had Velocity Gauntlets (which I only brought for the last dungeon) to get my speed past 200 and attacking first. I never found an item of Town Portal, but I didn't need one because the mirrors.

Due to the lack of space to put things, by the end the only things I had equipped for the last 2/3 of the game were my Obsidian Great Axe and Longbow. I had to just discard things that were worth less than 10k the second half of the game because it just isn't worth messing with them. It's not like gold is of any use once you train to 200; all you can do is turn it into experience at the fountain which also does you no good.

Overall it was pretty fun, but kind of anticlimactic because of how powerful Power Shield gets in MM3.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 02:08:52 2017 No.4273538 Play HoMM6!

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 08:16:59 2017 No.4273845 Is magic in the M&M series real, or is it some weird kind of science?

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 12:47:38 2017 No.4274254

>>4273845
Pretty sure this is covered in the MM2 and MM3 manuals. Magic is simply techniques and items for control and suppression of the elementals and elemental forces. Most of it came from the gods (gods elsewhere usually refers to the ancients themselves) so they are more likely advanced technology. The elemental forces themselves are magical, but they can be compelled to do things against their will through what the humanoid races call magic, which is basically the whole storyline of MM8.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 16:21:07 2017 No.4274685
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>Unable to physically enter CRON and maddened at
the elementals' defeat at the hands of a single, puny human, Acwalandar studied that which defeated him,
magic. He had a great aptitude for sorcery and learned quickly by studying the humanoids who ventured near
his realm. He gained particular skill in forming and summoning. Using this skill, Acwalandar formed a fell
creature of enormous girth and power. He filled it with life from many of his followers and endowed it with the
most fearsome of weapons known to him, fire. He had created the first dragon, a creature of mindless
destruction and incredible strength.

It's kinda funny that elemental lords had to learn magic to break free.

>>4274254
I don't really know what to make out of Terra's lore, the relation between Ancients and Elementals is unclear, aside from that Ancients had the power to subdue them, same as with orb of power in mm2.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 16:35:14 2017 No.4274719
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I'd like to start the M&M series from the beginning. It seems like the best looking version of Book 1 was on the Turbo CD, and the fan translation stopped around 2010-ish. I think the guy was looking for someone to translate the dumped text.

For English releases, the NES version looks best. I'm afraid of the interface being limited, and any system limitations from the NES.

What's the recommended version to start with?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 16:54:04 2017 No.4274760 >>4274719 Apple II or DOS. The ports were pretty clunky and you miss out on the kind of hotkey use you would have on a full keyboard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 00:38:50 2017 No.4275765 File: 214 KB, 680x577, IMG-20170921-WA0006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /HoMMg/ is seriously lacking memes

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 04:58:32 2017 No.4276030 File: 190 KB, 1200x799, 1478669039407.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4275765 Do you really expect me to share my stash for free?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 06:47:37 2017 No.4276109 File: 45 KB, 700x525, 1444422271597.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4275765

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 10:25:17 2017 No.4276472 File: 1.59 MB, 1026x814, Town Colors.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] let's argue over this

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 10:38:21 2017 No.4276508 >>4276472 Every color works for fortress, no other town matters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 10:52:08 2017 No.4276534 >>4276472 All are agreeable, except for fortress. It should be replaced by conflux

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 10:53:46 2017 No.4276536 >>4276534 but there's only 8 colors I agree that conflux is more pink than fortress, but then what is fortress?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 10:55:48 2017 No.4276542 >>4276536 Nothing. One faction has to be excluded. Confux simply fits the color better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:02:13 2017 No.4276558 >>4276542 in a game of 8 factions with no conflux, what color does fortress get?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:07:52 2017 No.4276575 >>4276558 I mod the game, turn pink into brown or dark green and assign that color to fortress. Might turn purple into black as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:11:07 2017 No.4276581 >>4276472 Why doesnt rampart have it's grail building?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:12:09 2017 No.4276583 File: 34 KB, 595x618, s8M5cgu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4275765

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:13:33 2017 No.4276589 >>4276575 dark green would be most fitting, I think I like purple, but black fits necro perfectly >>4276581 I didnt notice it missing when I was snipping these images

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:15:51 2017 No.4276601 File: 103 KB, 776x757, nasty witch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nasty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:18:36 2017 No.4276608 >>4276472 Never thought about it, but it makes sense desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:27:08 2017 No.4276647 >>4276601 Begone, witch.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 11:52:04 2017 No.4276698 >>4276601 Is that fucking wonder woman?

Anonymous Fri Sep 22 13:14:54 2017 No.4276932

>>4276583
>Sandro 1st campaign
>Finally I get a nice hero
>What the hell? It's a fucking Eagle Eye specialist
>Completely garbage without the artifacts
Would he have been unstoppable with a better specialty? He gets Sorcery in the second campaign which isn't much better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 22 22:02:47 2017 No.4277997 File: 9 KB, 276x182, images (7).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4275765

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 00:03:32 2017 No.4278181 File: 508 KB, 406x268, 601f89198f029dae9cc538e14db034.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4277997 Goddamnit meant to post the gif

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 00:16:55 2017 No.4278204 >>4270068 I never played past homm5 or mm8, are any of the newest ones worth it? I only heard bad things, are there no redeeming factors that make them worth it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 01:46:12 2017 No.4278318 >>4278204 not really mmx is okay

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 03:04:00 2017 No.4278409

>>4278204
HoMM6 has some interesting ideas, but generally bad execution. If you really want to check it out you can give it a shot, but there are much better games out there. 7 is a complete disaster and should be avoided at all costs.

9 is still NWC, but it's a complete break from what you expect from the series and was incredibly rushed. Aside from moving to a Norse style lore, there was a full redesign of the spell system including cutting down magic schools to 4, making all spells take 2 schools to learn, and removing Fly and Invisibility. It's playable, but there are far better things to put your time into. 10 is Ubi and it's probably worth playing once if you enjoyed 3-5, but it has absolutely no replay value. It has turn based tile gameplay that works fine and you have short appearances of the Elemental Lords (the NWC ones), but it is incredibly linear and abandons the open world concept until mid to late game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 10:45:01 2017 No.4278886 File: 245 KB, 550x520, 1506137908292.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Liberation soon

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 11:17:55 2017 No.4278926 >>4278886 >Blizzard/Activision takes over the Might and Magic franchise I'm not sure this will be any better, although it gives them a lot of ways to troll WoW players.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 12:07:43 2017 No.4278969 >>4278926 Since January 2016 they have nothing to do with each other

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:30:55 2017 No.4279445 What do y'all think about Ballista specialists? I've been experimenting with them and man they're a powerhouse once you get several levels.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:49:42 2017 No.4279474

>>4279445
They *can* be good, but I always have trouble getting them to actually work. You need to get that sweet spot in between

>Your hero has too low of an attack for them to do anything worthwhile
and
>Armies have now grown so big that they're basically irrelevant.
Plus, you want to clear the various banks ASAP, and they can't help you there. But 250 extra HP is quite nice early game, if you can get the monster stacks you're creeping against to target it. But I've generally preferred a much more direct approach.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:21:21 2017 No.4279919 >>4279445 I like when they end up in the tavern at the start so i can give my main hero the ballista, but that's about it. I don't find it too useful for a main.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:43:06 2017 No.4280614

>>4276472
I'm kind of annoyed that you get Tan but not Yellow, Black and White. The whole point of flags is to look distinctive.

Anyway, I like to go for contrasts:
>Castle: Red
>Rampart: Blue
>Tower: Green
>Dungeon: Purple
>Inferno: Teal
>Necropolis: Pink
>Fortress: Orange
>Conflux: Tan
>Stronghold can get Red or Teal, I guess

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:29:31 2017 No.4281286 File: 237 KB, 620x264, colors.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4280614 I think this could work

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:50:43 2017 No.4281334 >>4280614 Yellow is a no-go because they used gold on the banners, and it wouldn't show up well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:51:51 2017 No.4281337 File: 36 KB, 418x355, flag colors.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4281334 forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:41:29 2017 No.4281461 File: 17 KB, 316x204, 10636143_844974388876083_4977431663315211377_n.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] gonna just post some pics

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:42:35 2017 No.4281463 File: 119 KB, 1583x574, Bastion.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:43:48 2017 No.4281468 File: 253 KB, 500x820, oirqfy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:45:18 2017 No.4281472 File: 70 KB, 854x500, oirz.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:46:29 2017 No.4281473 File: 77 KB, 667x140, oirzzz.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4281463 the high priest would look like this anubis guy

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:47:58 2017 No.4281476 >>4272858 Some are. Some are not. Some are rather complicated bioweapons.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:51:28 2017 No.4281481

>>4274719
I'm actually playing Secret of the Inner Sanctum for the first time on the NES right now.

The NES version has improved graphics, a sweet OST, and an improved experience curve.

My party is level 6 right now, and I'm just about strong enough to start exploring the wider world. The game really seems to open up, and I'm really impressed by the side quests in such an early game.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:19:00 2017 No.4281572

>>4274719
Having poked around - DOS is pretty much the original experience, if that's what you're looking for. Apple 2 is slightly older, uglier and more difficult. NES is a big change, redesigned and easier. So if DOS seems to old and difficult, try this one. But yeah, the interface is even clunkier than the original.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:37:28 2017 No.4282134 >>4281468 Lower two teams mods or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:42:08 2017 No.4282143 File: 45 KB, 301x390, Succ Wars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4282134 Considering every tier has at least 1 unit that doesn't belong, I'm guessing it's for Succ Wars.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:07:05 2017 No.4282194 File: 86 KB, 616x353, c0db963e6d4ee62f516996b558b9d6f1fbc0c1e1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fuck this game it feels like kings bounty with really bad balance

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:11:41 2017 No.4282201 >>4276472 fortress and dungeon are shit inferno/castle best melees necro and tower are OP. but cyclopes are shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:36:46 2017 No.4282239 >>4282201 >Fortress and dungeon are shit No you are

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:52:47 2017 No.4282675 >>4281473 I really hope the final version of the Dervish lineup isn't that fucking brown. At least give the Medusa some colors. I know, Succ Wars never.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:52:56 2017 No.4282887 File: 7 KB, 316x280, normies.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4281468 I don't know what it is about them but all the new sprites are really easy to tell apart and some are really amateurish (not-Fortress lineup looks particularly bad)

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 08:28:46 2017 No.4283025
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>>4282887
I don't particularly care for the satyr, I hate the beholder thing from warlock, and I don't like the bee, the frog, or the wyvern, but the rest look good. I think a straight mantis is bland, they shoulda made it more fantastical like pic related or something. Hermit guy looks well done, but he seems kinda pointless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 09:25:20 2017 No.4283078 >>4281468 The best thing they could come up with for wizards is a midget mage?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 09:55:53 2017 No.4283132 File: 144 KB, 452x564, WilburHumphrey.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was he a good teacher and regent?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 11:26:33 2017 No.4283237
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Guys, help.

Can I save pic related somehow? Return to town is not an option. Map name is "To Kill For Power" by Fiery Phoenix btw. What makes me mad is that I had a huge army but the map told me to leave all of them and only take "15 devils at most" with me to this section of the map (for story-related purposes I guess).

Right before this fight I had to go against with 63 Enchanters. But I always end up losing half of my devils there already.

Hero has Expert Earth and Fire, not that it helps here of course except for stat boosters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 11:30:42 2017 No.4283249 >>4283237 You got a lot of mana, so the only way I see this going decently is to start summoning elementals and ressurecting your devils. Seems like your hero has high enough level, so I am guessing you know at least some of those spells.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 11:46:32 2017 No.4283275

>>4283237
Put all Archdevils in one stack
First turn Wait
Elementals move
Move Archdevils to corner
Cast Force Field to block them in the corner
Cast Frenzy to speed up the process
Keep refreshing Force Field
Hit'n'run
Win

To not lose army against the Enchanters blind the final stack of Enchanters and resurrect the Devils you lost.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 11:57:47 2017 No.4283293 File: 833 KB, 1184x660, fuckyes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4283249 Good idea but I don't have any 5th levels spells but Implosion unfortunately. However >>4283275 This one worked, thank you anon you saved my life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 12:31:45 2017 No.4283361 >>4283078 gnomes are like wizard hobbits, he probably casts a spell as an attack

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:29:27 2017 No.4283736 >>4282887 Fun fact: That particular frog is an original Tracy Iwata concept art for II. It got replaced by the boar in the Wizard faction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:46:48 2017 No.4283891 >>4283736 why did they get boars anyway?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:59:39 2017 No.4283918 >>4283736 I know. That's why the frog looks good. Even though it would obviously look out of place in the lineup which is probably why it was scrapped. There's a lot of subtle artistry behind how the game looks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:37:48 2017 No.4284028 I tried M&M6 and the game got old and boring really fast, press shoot buttom then go away then shoot then go back to city then repeat. Am I playing it wrong/with a bad build or something?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:57:24 2017 No.4284282

>>4284028
You can play however you want to, but yes that's basically correct for the first few levels other than healing when necessary. Until you can cast Poison Spray or Sparks at a decent level there isn't anything that will compare with the damage of a bow, especially if you got Precision Bows at Castle Ironfist. Once you get out of the first couple cities your melee characters will get better weapons and eventually to master sword (don't forget to do the Cavalier quest). The game can feel slow until you get master water and can portal all over instantly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 19:01:32 2017 No.4284291 >>4284028 bow spam loses effectiveness quickly

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 10:42:53 2017 No.4285553 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:24:52 2017 No.4285779 >>4279445 They're great as a side hero in campaigns where you carry over extra heroes and your main hero has artillery. Free ballista right from the start is pretty helpful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:01:21 2017 No.4285938 >>4276472 FORTRESS IS TEAL FORTRESS IS TEAL FORTRESS IS TEAL

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:49:28 2017 No.4286019 >>4283132 What the fuck, I had no idea he looks like a fat pedophile in 3D. He looked like a cool old guy in the portrait

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:14:27 2017 No.4286190 >>4286019 Why did you think Nikolai wanted to run away that badly?

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:43:14 2017 No.4286238

>>4279445
I tend to play ballista specialists a lot, something just feels right about them. Gurnisson is actually a top tier hero because he naturally gets high attack making his late game ballista extremely strong, and early on he makes up for Stronghold's shooter deficiency. Pyre is a solid pick for Inferno too, if only because there are no real must-pick heroes there and gogs are demon fodder. Torosar and Gerwulf are less than stellar however, because Torosar starts without Artillery for some reason and Gerwulf has low attack.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:56:46 2017 No.4286265 >>4283275 Not sure force field is necessary against morale-less creatures.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 12:43:26 2017 No.4287547 >>4279445 I have literally no idea why people say it's good. >lvl 20 blaista specialist >wow he can kill half a behemot with his shot

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 13:39:21 2017 No.4287648 >>4287547 It's a meme.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 17:43:34 2017 No.4288079 >>4287637 But you could use learning to level up for better eagle eyes, you fucking noob.

Anonymous Wed Sep 27 19:06:17 2017 No.4288228

>>4287637
>Level 9
That's just about the worst time for this to happen. If you were level 6 or below you could just pick a new hero and move on, but at that point you basically have to eat the skill dump or assign her to a choke point with defensive duty.

Anonymous Thu Sep 28 09:46:48 2017 No.4289480

>>4287547
Because a ballista represents 250 hit points in a discrete block early game with shooting offensive power. It can simultaneously help you wipe out creeping stacks while forming a damage sponge that instantly heals itself as long as it isn't completely eliminated.

Yes, your ballista specialist will be weaker at a level 20+ clash of main armies that run into the hundreds than something more specialized, but if you're playing a ballista specalist, you're playing on the strategy that you'll bowl them over either directly or from superior position because you've expanded faster before it comes to that.

Anonymous Thu Sep 28 10:51:40 2017 No.4289545

>>4287547
Ballista specialists, especially Gurnisson and Arlach (high attack), are a godsend on 200%. Using proper kiting and dancing around you can wipe out enemies that you would take heavy losses against otherwise. Ballista also scales with Archery. It is generally a great skill to bolster your early game. Shakti's specialty is also useless past early game but it helps you have a great early game. Also Ballista can tank.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 28 13:51:50 2017 No.4289892 >>4289545 I didn't even know Arlach existed until now

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 28 14:29:16 2017 No.4289954 >>4289480 >>4289545 Isn't the damage pretty bad until they reach a very high attack score? I remember the damage being (2-3)*(attack+1) or something that that. Pretty negligible especially in the early game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 28 14:31:22 2017 No.4289959 >>4289954 It's extremely strong, it's like a level 1 unit.

Anonymous Thu Sep 28 14:48:49 2017 No.4289995

>>4289954
You got the formula, but it's not insignificant. Say you have Christian, starting with an attack of 2, that gives a base 6-9 damage from the ballista, which doubles half of the time because of basic artillery. The ballista itself will have an attack of 12. If you're shooting at a horde of 50 unled troglodytes, you're on average doing 16 and a smidge damage per shot. And that ballista will be shooting for a while, it's pretty tough. And when you gain a level or two and some attack, and more importantly advanced artillery, it goes way up as you start shooting twice every round.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 28 15:07:07 2017 No.4290023 the laser in 7 is cool

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 28 15:10:57 2017 No.4290028 >>4290023 NO

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 28 16:18:11 2017 No.4290116 >>4289959 >>4289995 Doesn't really seem worth it, the cost is a skill, and starting without your tier 2 units.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 28 18:40:45 2017 No.4290425 >>4270068 no trainers?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 29 11:37:46 2017 No.4291996 >>4278409 So sad 7 ended up the way it did, I it was really looking good conceptually. The worst was the fate of dual of champions for me. It was such a fun game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 29 17:59:59 2017 No.4292962 succ wars WHEN

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 29 18:07:15 2017 No.4292997 >>4292962 succ my dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 30 03:51:53 2017 No.4294107 Might and Magic girls are all either ugly as fuck or have a horrible voice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 30 05:15:04 2017 No.4294239 Might is always better than Magic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 30 07:12:42 2017 No.4294332 >>4294239 Might supported by Magic > Magic >>>>> Might

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 30 17:34:45 2017 No.4295412 >>4294107 I'd fuck a Naga

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 30 17:38:26 2017 No.4295418 >>4295412 do snakes have pussies at all compatible with a human penis?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 30 17:50:13 2017 No.4295436 >>4295418 I imagine they'd have a cloaca if anything

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 1 09:49:35 2017 No.4296909 Is alex in here today?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 1 11:37:51 2017 No.4297062 >>4296909 she was never here my dude

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 1 11:58:11 2017 No.4297107 in HoMM, what do the difficulty percentages mean when you're starting a new game? I've googled it but I can't seem to find good explanation to what it means.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 1 12:09:09 2017 No.4297131 >>4297107 It's a multiplier that adds to your final score when you win a scenario. 200% means you get 200% score of what you would normally get.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 1 12:15:12 2017 No.4297146 >>4297131 ahaaaaaaaaaaaa I had some strange idea that 100% signified that the difficulty chosen is the difficulty the map was "meant to be played on. thanks for clearing that up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 1 23:30:44 2017 No.4298647 >>4297131 Hard is what the game considers "balanced" with AI at max skill and even resources. The problem is the AI is pretty weak for experienced players so most single player should be at either Expert or Impossible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 01:04:08 2017 No.4298797 >>4270068 This cover art alone has always made me want to play Might & Magic but I'm too much of a fucking casual

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 01:12:44 2017 No.4298810

>>4298797
Might and magic is pretty casual friendly other than the first two. Start at 3 if you aren't intimidated by DOS games, or 6 if you just want to jump to the most popular or the ones that connect with HoMM. If you get stuck we can always tell you what you were doing wrong. There's a ton of info in the pastebin.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 03:07:33 2017 No.4298946

What happens to artifacts held by hero who gets killed by hero-less army, such as during siege, in garrison or by neutral stack? Does the hero just reappear in tavern later with them or are they gone?

Also, anybody played Chronicles? I am in the 3rd chapter, Masters of the Elements, and I am not liking how much the campaign railroads your secondary skills. Does this stop in a later level or do I have to deal with having skills the game wants me to have?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:41:49 2017 No.4299386 >>4298946 when defeated by neutrals the artifacts always stay on the hero, I'm pretty sure it's the same during siege. I don't remember much of chronicles, if it's scholars or witch huts you can always reload and avoid them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 09:53:20 2017 No.4299403 >>4298810 >other than the first two but I only like starting series from the beginning

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:26:23 2017 No.4299470

>>4299386
No, it's the actual level ups. They always give you the same skills to pick from in each mission and there's only like 3 per mission. Like in the 3rd mission where I am now, 20 is max level and the last one or two levels I got with Tarnum didn't even give me a choice of skill (I still have one free slot) because I had them all maxed, just gave me a primary stat boost as usual and nothing else. I partially get why they do it, they want you to learn all the magics because the whole campaign is about battling the elements, but they really didn't need to force me to pick leadership, navigation and mysticism together with those.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:29:03 2017 No.4299478

>>4299470
Whoops, last part got deleted by accident.
So basically what I was wondering is if this stops in the later levels, so I can refrain from leveling up in the first few or if this continues throughout the whole campaign. But it doesn't matter too much anymore, I made peace with having these 3 skills even though there's a bunch of better ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:09:53 2017 No.4299581 Is it true that multiplayer games are ultra boring because the Russian mafia removed all fun things from it? Like the average turn takes a month IRL?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:20:06 2017 No.4299609

>>4299478
Yeah during that campaign you're stuck with what the game has chosen for you. Not that it matters that much because you become unstoppable after you learn all spells.
In case you haven't figured it out, there's a tome and an orb for each respective elemental plane you visit that transfer to the next map. Just keep in mind that you lose them at one point so don't disregard magic guilds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 12:31:57 2017 No.4299773 >>4299609 Yeah, that's not gonna be a problem, I already got the water and air tomes and orbs and I always wait with finishing until I have at least all guild levels built.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:11:30 2017 No.4300080

>>4299403
Stop thinking about it as one big franchise then. Aside from 9 and 10 that don't really fit in anywhere, each generation of games might as well be independent because the gameplay differ ence is so vast. 6-8 barely have any connection to the Corak/Sheltem story at all until you dig deeper in 7, and even with 3-5 everything you missed is explained in game with the MM3 endgame and the MM5 spaceship logs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:06:28 2017 No.4300190 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7PddNlM8kY I wonder what was told to whoever composed this piece before it was made I mean, those are fucking orcs, goblins, ogres and whatnot, and although amazing, this song is peaceful as shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:15:54 2017 No.4300327 >>4300190 Paul Anthony Romero is a precious star and one crazy motherfucker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEDYmQKyV8Q

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:10:02 2017 No.4301149 >>4299581 Yes, multiplayer is cancer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:49:42 2017 No.4301487 >>4276030 >that Hobgoblin Ale I chuckled, thanks

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:41:55 2017 No.4301729

>>4300190
I like the contrast. Stronghold is about strength, and even though its soldiers are a bunch of ugly, savage motherfuckers, they have their own form of dignity.

What I wonder is if the Necromancer and Barbarian's town themes in HoMM2 weren't swapped during development. Their German lyrics seem like they fit better with each other.

Necromancer:
>Your wild, wild dogs want out into freedom;
>they are barking in their cellar with passion,
>when your soul is striving to free all confinements.
>they are barking with passion.

Barbarian:
>Or do you go now alone
>on the Path
>on the Path
>Or do you go now on the Path of Thieves, you Friend of Evildoers?

Though the most likely solution is they just picked random Also Sprach Zarathustra quotes that sounded vaguely evil.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:38:24 2017 No.4301929

>Playing SoD campaigns
>Playing Sandro's one
What's even the point? It's just effortless "Blow things down with scads of liches over and over and over again". Like, I'm actually forgetting to develop my towns and recruit because I get everything I need just from the enemies I roll over.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:16:10 2017 No.4302102 >>4301929 That IS the point. He's supposed to be an unstoppable force and the game makes him into one. The only real issue is getting Town Portal as you are capped at level 5 in the first scenario.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:39:52 2017 No.4302715 So, after restarting your mission a lot in H3, the game starts offering you only two sets of heroes in tavern. Is this a bug or did some asshole dev put that in as a """"feature""""?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:51:39 2017 No.4303318 File: 820 KB, 640x640, 1506100021991.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finally picked up newer homm games >mfw the story is actually ok >mfw i like all new necromancers as much as i liked the old ones I also liked 6 over 5 for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:04:29 2017 No.4303897 The guide doesn't say anything about the NES version of MM1 or the SNES and Genesis versions of MM2. I don't plan on playing these all the way through, but they look better than the PC versions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:14:25 2017 No.4303912 >>4303897 On that note, for MM3, SNES or PC Engine?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:30:26 2017 No.4303947

>>4303897
That's because all the ports are generally bad. The only reason the NES MM1 is acceptable is it came out years later than the original, so this allowed graphics to advance significantly despite an inferior interface design. You should be playing DOS from 1-5.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:31:31 2017 No.4303953 >>4303947 How about no? The console versions look superior in every case.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:50:58 2017 No.4303987 >>4303947 NES MM1 doesn't let you create your own characters and the starting party doesn't have all classes. If you want nice graphics, play the PCE-CD port.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:50:33 2017 No.4304330 File: 20 KB, 518x386, mm1mac.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Implying this isn't the best MM1 version

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:38:06 2017 No.4304563 >>4303912 DOS

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:52:14 2017 No.4304774 Who are the niggers of MM world? Goblins?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:26:13 2017 No.4304934 >>4304774 Maybe, although I would argue the cannibals from MM6 are more direct about it, that being said >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:38:20 2017 No.4304961 >>4304934 Trigger nigger!

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:50:11 2017 No.4304985

>>4270068
I could have sworn I asked this in a previous thread when I first started the SoD campaigns, but now I'm at Unholy Alliance, and of course all of those heroes I lovingly crafted over the course of campaigns are ruined.

I know some people mentioned some editors, but I cant' seem to go back and look up the posts. Anyone have any recommendations as to how I can tweak the heroes so I have them as they were promised; with the spells, skills, abilities, and experience of their respective campaign endings?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:23:17 2017 No.4305127 >>4304934 I think there's also an island where you run around killing Indian women

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:59:51 2017 No.4305174 >>4305127 The ones in the Misty Islands I bet. I always thought they were Arabs not Indians, but you may be right.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 23:27:28 2017 No.4305918

Holy fuck those carnage bows are powerful. Decided to savescum the Emerald Island dragon for a carnage bow instead of a powerful Artifact this time, and it's hilarious how much this thing does if you aren't retarded and blow yourself up. I don't think there's a single item as gamebreaking as a carnage bow. It's like an MM8 dragon that casts Flame Blast every single round.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 17:18:21 2017 No.4307252 >>4305918 okay

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 09:08:15 2017 No.4308905 File: 61 KB, 470x264, ClashOfHeroes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What made it so good?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:27:00 2017 No.4309145 >>4302715 stop savescumming and roll with the punches

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:28:48 2017 No.4309146 >>4309145 Nah, I am gonna roll until I get good hero or two in the tavern and there's nothing you can do or say about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:48:05 2017 No.4309175 M&M1 babby here, wandering with a new party through Sorpigal. Where do I find shekels? The monsters aren't dropping anything at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:50:32 2017 No.4309180 >>4309175 You have to search after you win the fight

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:53:55 2017 No.4309185 >>4308905 I'm actually playing now. Story is boring, character art is cringy, but actual gameplay is addictive and animations are good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 11:58:46 2017 No.4309197 File: 18 KB, 518x386, lootan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4309180 Thanks, familius. Also, should I hoard gems when I find them or spend them freely on the ritzy spells?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:07:07 2017 No.4309214 Wait a second, where do black people come form in M&M series?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 12:22:02 2017 No.4309246 >>4309214 From the eight game's setting, whatever it's name was again.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 13:17:25 2017 No.4309385

>>4309197
All fights and loot drops reset after you go to an inn and save, so if you run out of gems you can always just farm more.

>>4309246
Jadame? I don't remember them there. They usually come from island areas although there are plenty randomly across the Enrothian continent.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:02:03 2017 No.4309673

>>4309185
Some of the character art is good, i only hated the quality (white pixels? really?), but i guess it depends on one's taste.

I like how you can play it while doing something else. I literally spend hours every day playing it on my phone while doing something else at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:15:05 2017 No.4309695 Can someone explain to me how does HoMM VI's blood/tears mechanic works?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 15:26:53 2017 No.4309734

>>4309695
It's a reputation system that governs your "class" like Light side and Dark side or Paragon/Renegade. When you get enough blood or tears you unlock a special ability for your hero and filling up the bar again with the same type of points upgrades your class and gives you another ability. So naturally you want to pick one and stick with it.

Whenever roaming monsters try to flee, you can let them go for tears or try to kill them for blood. Casting certain spells also increases your tears/blood as well as certain events in the campaign.

Also each hero combination (Might/Magic from different factions) has different classes and abilities so it's not a clear-cut choice each time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 16:04:18 2017 No.4309801 >>4309734 If i go blood/tears does it also increase the power of my blood/tears spells or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 01:35:26 2017 No.4310928 >>4309197 As with anything it's best to save them for when you need them, especially in the bigger maze-like dungeons, but like >>4309385 said if you ever do run out you can always farm more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 03:14:41 2017 No.4311078 How the fuck does movement in this game work anyway? Are they like all walking 4 parallel to each other in a straight line? Because that's what's implied by how the bows shoot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 04:13:53 2017 No.4311120 >>4311078 They are a 4 headed monster with 4 pairs of arms

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 06:10:39 2017 No.4311221 What MM girl (model/face) would you fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 06:19:46 2017 No.4311232 File: 401 KB, 516x950, Anwen_(CoH).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4311221

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 06:21:59 2017 No.4311236 >>4311232 >some Ubishit anime Worst taste ITT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 06:54:24 2017 No.4311257 File: 139 KB, 498x1080, jezebeth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4311236 you take that back

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 07:20:14 2017 No.4311286 >>4311221 I want to cum inside that goblin girl with short hair from MM7

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:05:51 2017 No.4311535 File: 396 KB, 641x982, 1507388751181.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4311221 I'd ony want to fuck him

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:07:15 2017 No.4311539 >all these disgusting post-3DO no-names being namedropped ITT bleh

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:10:54 2017 No.4311547 >>4311539 Not our fault 3do didn't sexualize characters as much as ubi does

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:46:15 2017 No.4311617 >play HoMM3 since I was like 10 >still fucking terrible at it Can't even beat the normal level CPUs, feels like I'm playing chess and every move I make sets me back further. I think I'm too dumb for this game, how do I get better?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:47:39 2017 No.4311621 >>4311617 >Can't even beat the normal level CPUs, This is genuinely incredible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 11:54:35 2017 No.4311649 >>4311621 >send main hero to secure another fortress >CPU determines the exact strength of the units guarding my main fortress >sends just enough units to take it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 12:15:37 2017 No.4311702 >>4311649 I bet you're a girl. Only a girl could be this bad at heroes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 13:14:51 2017 No.4311795 >>4311702 Nah even i am better than that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 13:17:02 2017 No.4311797 >>4311795 >even i am A V L E E V L E E

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 13:22:06 2017 No.4311810 >>4304774 /pol/ has no place here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 13:32:46 2017 No.4311825 >>4311810 t. Goblinigger

Anonymous Sat Oct 7 14:16:44 2017 No.4311897

What're the best maps for HoMM 3 and 2 if you're just interested in casual, comfy, single player base/character building and exploration, without having to constantly rush around to defend yourself from all manner of equally developed and conquest-happy AIs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 17:44:53 2017 No.4312292 >>4311897 I mainly to the default rmg in islands mode. I found it's a lot less of a cluster fuck. I actually had a decent large game with 8 teams going. The water provides decent spacing and the portals don't seem to pop up into retarded areas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 7 20:42:54 2017 No.4312596 >>4311810 GIDF detected

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 02:48:28 2017 No.4313212 there are no womyn playing Heroes / Might and magic don't listen to the lies

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 04:26:51 2017 No.4313347 >>4313212 I'm a woman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 04:42:16 2017 No.4313369 >>4313347 Can I see your cunny

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 07:36:57 2017 No.4313565 File: 18 KB, 518x386, traps.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >lmao gg no re

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 07:41:42 2017 No.4313570 File: 17 KB, 518x386, again.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4313565 For fuck's sake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 08:15:47 2017 No.4313598 >>4313570 why are you dying while searching?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 08:38:55 2017 No.4313642 >>4313598 Nerve gas from trapped chests. My dorf with 19 luck and robber's tools still fails every now and then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 08:43:11 2017 No.4313650 >>4313369 Leave her alone , scumbag

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:30:48 2017 No.4313896 >>4313212 I am a woman

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:33:20 2017 No.4313904 File: 8 KB, 277x271, e8e.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4313896 Post proofs

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:33:21 2017 No.4313905 >>4313212 I am Greek.

Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:36:20 2017 No.4313917

>>4311617
I used to be really bad too. Here are some very general tips that can help you if you're struggling with the basics.

A) You don't really have a stacking limit except for you can only have 7 different types of creatures in an army. If you have 5 heroes, and 1,000 level 1 dudes, you do NOT want to give them each 200. Give one of them almost all of them, and the rest small numbers of troops; you're a lot stronger in one big force than scattered piecemeal. As a corallary of this, games of HoMM 3 tend to come down to one huge clash between main armies, and the winner takes all, from day 1, you should be preparing for such a clash.

B) That means, among other things, that you should be trying to expand as quickly and as painlessly as possible. At MOST (sans grail) you can have 1 town generating 4,000 gold a turn, and either a rare resource or 1 wood 1 gold. That's nice, but it's not enough, espeically since early game you want to both develop your town and recruit a bunch of creatures, an d running up the gold line takes both time and resources you probably can't afford. Your initial goal should be spent maximizing your firepower in that first week at least, and then using it to clear those stacks of neutral creatures. This does two things. Firstly, it gives you XP for a hero or several heroes, which makes them stronger, especially later in the game. Two, it unlocks many resources and artifacts, which you should be greedily sucking up.

Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:37:22 2017 No.4313923

>>4311617

C) If you're playing on normal, you're going to start with a fair chunk of cash. You also probably start with a tavern. It's faster and often cheaper to immediately hire 2 new heroes before you do anything else. Not all of them, but quite a few heroes have more than 2,500 gold's worth of troops, and you don't have to do any of that infrastructure building. Remember the above thing about stacking, leave 2 of these guys with 1 first level dingus, and pour the rest into a single hero. Use the main hero to clear stacks, and the other two guys to pick up the resources and flag the mines that you've cleared.

D) If you do a good job clearing things, then you will likely have more resources than you immediately immediately need. You will need to build up the gold buildings eventually, (Unless you can steal them from someone who was foolish enough to rush up to capital while you were building troops) but you should start off with the creature dwellings. Even if you aren't recruiting the creatures therein, they will accumulate; and remember, you're aiming for a confrontation, far in the future, where you've likely turned that corner on wealth and manpower is your main limiting factor. Get the manpower ball rolling, and that first week should be spent more or less entirely building creature dwellings, maybe a level 1 mage guild, and citadels/castles.

E) Upgrades are good, but less useful than you might think. When I started playing, I would build dwelling, upgrade dwelling, build a dwelling, upgrade that one too next turn, etc. I was stupid when I started, don't do that. Build all or at least up to your level 6 dwellings before you think about upgrading in most cases. When you do start upgrading, don't go from start to finish; whatever units you find yourself relying on most, upgrade them first. And when in doubt, upgrade your slowest units first, most upgrades create speed boosts, and upgrading your slowest units will mean your army travels faster overland.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:42:20 2017 No.4313943 >>4313905 Okay.... well.... pay debnts?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:53:34 2017 No.4313981 I'm a multi-classed woman-man. Does that count?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 11:55:24 2017 No.4313985 >>4313904 I main Necropolis

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 12:01:23 2017 No.4313998 >>4313981 TGHERE IS NO MULTICLASSING IN M&M6

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 12:27:30 2017 No.4314063 >>4313904 Tbh from what ive seen, HoMM is one of the most woman-rich playerbase, at least out here in pooland.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 12:42:06 2017 No.4314095 >>4314063 >pooland India?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 14:17:30 2017 No.4314263 >>4314095 He meant Poland obviously. And yes, that's because literally everyone played it in their childhod, because a friend/brother wanted to play with them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 14:19:37 2017 No.4314272 >>4314263 Did you have sex with your friend after he introduce you to the game? Sounds hot, some sholicon action after you finish playing a "HOT STEAT" game of Homama

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 8 18:25:42 2017 No.4314865 >>4313917 >>4313923 Stop whiteknighting you shitsicle

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 9 08:17:43 2017 No.4316231 >>4314272 No but i had hot lesbian sex with my mom as she introduced me to diablo

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 9 12:47:58 2017 No.4316623 >>4316231 How does a male neckbeard like you have hot lesbian sex? Ah, right...Japanese visual novel delusions...yare yare daze

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 9 14:09:23 2017 No.4316802 And another (((sseth))) video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j8cT_n3p7E

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 9 14:24:20 2017 No.4316834 >>4316802 these vids are unwatchable because this guy cannot understand basic shit like aspect ratio

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 9 15:01:53 2017 No.4316939 >>4313212 "There" like "in this thread"? Because there are a lot of them in slavland.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 9 15:37:54 2017 No.4317034 >>4316802 Thanks for introducing me to this guy I've never heard about before. I didn't know /v/ermin did old school game reviews.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 9 19:49:39 2017 No.4317557 >>4316802 I kind of liked it. It's meme meets meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 12:53:05 2017 No.4318858 >>4316802 I don't understand the point of this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 13:33:55 2017 No.4318913 How do we fix inferno, stronghold and fortress? Tower just needs to be a little bit cheaper in the middle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 13:36:54 2017 No.4318918 >>4318858 He's a memer who's into Might and Magic and hentai games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 13:43:29 2017 No.4318927 >>4318913 In such a magic-heavy game, max three levels of mage guild cripples you. Stronghold and Fortress need some massive attack/defense buffs to compensate, maybe some special abilities, and I'm not so sure that'd be possible in the game at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 14:32:32 2017 No.4318995 Stornghold is shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 15:01:49 2017 No.4319021 >>4318995 Which sucks, because it's easily the most fun faction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 15:15:36 2017 No.4319039 >>4319021 >he likes watching his troops have to walk to the enemy mass slowed and getting obliterated from afar after his Thunderbird stack gets instaraped

Anonymous Tue Oct 10 16:08:54 2017 No.4319106

>>4318913
Stronghold and fortress are quite strong in maps they're good for, with low resource counts and people right next to each other. They only really start to fall behind if someone really pulls ahead of them on the magic game with 4 and 5 mage guild levels, but building them up requires at least 18 of each rare resource, 28 to go for level 5, and if whoops, you didn't draw Town Portal, Resurrect, and Summon Elemental of the type of magic your main hero is good with, but instead got Frenzy, Sorrow, and the wrong class of elemental, you've probably wasted that money and time, as well as left you vulnerable for someone who used those resources to upgrade dwellings or just sold them for more troops.

Inferno, on the other hand, is just kind of shit. I'm not really sure how to make them better short of radically redesigning the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 10 20:24:12 2017 No.4319576 >>4316623 I'm sorry to hear about your delusions anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 11 00:25:25 2017 No.4319974 >>4319106 How are they supposed to beat Rampart in this "ideal" situation? They have heroes like Fortress but better & their LVV1-3 units completely destroy Fortess & Stronghold.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 11 01:10:27 2017 No.4320042 Is memeght & memegic the memest dungeon crawler?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 11 02:08:40 2017 No.4320161 what is the best modern remake of M&M?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 11 11:03:34 2017 No.4320746 >>4320161 GRIMOIRE RIMOIRE IMOIRE MOIRE OIRE IRE RE E Wings of Herald something something It's basically retro, since the development started in 1998.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 11 11:20:07 2017 No.4320783 >>4320161 Swords and Sorcery: Underworld copies M&M1 and 2

Anonymous Wed Oct 11 11:21:00 2017 No.4320786

>>4319974
You don't build the crappy 3 and 4. (And their 2s are far superior to the Ramparts), you go straight from goblin barracks to wolf pen to cliff nest to Behemoth cave, if you can get it. You get Behemoths by the end of the first week (easily possible, although by no means assured), and you will be massively strong entering the second. Rampart can do nothing of the equivalent sort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 11 12:54:29 2017 No.4320950 >>4320786 So Stronghold needs a perfect situation to beat Rampart and Fortress literally cannot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 11 13:15:26 2017 No.4320993 >>4320950 Exactly. Stronghold is strong when it holds!!

Anonymous Wed Oct 11 16:19:46 2017 No.4321314

>>4320950
Not at all. The day 3 rocs are easy to get and very strong in and of themselves even without the Behemoths, which is more of an instant win button against everyone than a way of beating the Rampart specifically. Fortress can do something similar with the Gnoll hut-Lizardman hut-Wyvern nest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 00:11:00 2017 No.4322192 >>4320746 /thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 00:41:10 2017 No.4322236 >>4321314 >implying they won't get rekt by based memphala's +% armored dwarves and cents protecting double shot elves while they rape your fliers

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 02:04:31 2017 No.4322409 >>4322236 >implying you will get Meme-phala If you can pick your starting hero then I lick Crack Hag who will rape her army and then mating press impregnate her cause Offense >>>>>>> Armorer

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 04:42:41 2017 No.4322567 How do you play Inferno? I know it's shit, but it's my favourite faction regardless of that. While it's playable in pve, in pvp you usually don't have the time and resources to play it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 10:56:02 2017 No.4322887 I always drop MM7 after I become the light/darkness.

Anonymous Thu Oct 12 11:21:47 2017 No.4322920
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>M&M1
>stumble upon the leprechaun in Sorpigal
>get stuck in Dusk at lvl3
>somehow get a Knowledge Book on my one encounter

So will using the Book on my sorcerer to skip barriers/doors fuck up the game too much? I'm not sure how well it handles sequence breaking since I know I'm not supposed to have etherealize/teleport that early on.

Also, why does the Succubus in Portsmith keep respawning? Why won't she stay dead?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 14:42:16 2017 No.4323215 >>4322887 It works best just to create a backup save right before you make The Choice, play one side, and then reload and play the other side.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 14:46:24 2017 No.4323223 >>4322920 I would hold off on using it until a few more levels, but it's not completely out of line since there is a fountain you can get to reasonably early that temporarily gives your characters a full set of spells.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 00:24:34 2017 No.4324193 Are necropolis heroes Kangz? Dey all black.

Anonymous Fri Oct 13 05:46:27 2017 No.4324528

>>4324193
Nigga please, the only real black hero is Tamika. You've got Moandor and Straker who are just nasty, dirty, old skeletons. Vokial looks like he hasn't had enough sleep. Charna looks more Indian than anything.

And then you've got Nimbus who's purple, Thant who's green, Sandro who's blue and Vidomina who's pink. And a bunch of other skeletons and skeleton thots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 08:26:10 2017 No.4324657 >>4313212 maybe it's East Europe thing, but I know few girls who played/still play HoMM3

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 10:11:08 2017 No.4324787 >>4324657 All ugly fatties, no doubt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 10:34:20 2017 No.4324839 >>4324787 >east europe >fat Come now anon, don't be ridiculous

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:26:32 2017 No.4325038 >>4324839 >/pol/fags actually think that Eastern Europe is filled with "hot women who play vidya" Bet you think they look like Ciris from Witchers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 14:19:38 2017 No.4325264 File: 58 KB, 600x450, 1473088848452.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4325038 I didn't say they're not hags. They just aren't fat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 21:11:23 2017 No.4325980 >>4325264 This. After living in Burgerland for years, any woman who isn't fat becomes a 7+ automatically.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 22:41:46 2017 No.4326103 >fire up the first might and magic >roll 17/19/19/19/19/19/19 on paladin such a pleasant tingly feeling

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 23:26:58 2017 No.4326160 >>4324528 >and Vidomina who's pink. She a white woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 01:49:43 2017 No.4326336 I always use the Save Editor to give myself a little boost when playing MM6 again, but end up over-cheating in the end and get bored. Like less cheating than New Sorpigal secret teleport abuse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 02:49:33 2017 No.4326408 >>4326336 This is so deep

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:05:55 2017 No.4326425 Why is Town Portal Water Magic in MM but Earth Magic in HOMM?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:08:22 2017 No.4326426 >>4326103 Wow

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:09:05 2017 No.4326427 >>4326426 Nothing amazing about that.

Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:32:14 2017 No.4326456

>>4326425
With M&M Water is the "magic of change" (enchantments and portals) and Earth is the "magic of staying" (slow, stun, turn to stone).

HoMM3 didn't really have as much of an overt theme for its magic schools because you also had spells that were more Body, Mind, and Spirit forced into the Elemental schools (Cure/Bless/Prayer/Berserk/Resurrect/etc). With HoMM4 they re-emphasized spell school themes. It almost has to have been a balance issue, where Earth would be near useless for anything past level 1 spells and Water would become essential if you put things where they thematically belong. Instead both have value, although Earth is probably too powerful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:37:40 2017 No.4326460 >>4326427 I'm too lazy to do the math but the chances of that happening randomly should be way less than 1 in a billion if they actually simulate 3 individual 1-7 dice rolls and not just a random number 3-21.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:38:26 2017 No.4326462 >implying there's a point in putting skills into Earth Magic at all >putting more than 1 point into Fire Magic for Torch >putting points in Air/Water for more than Master/GM travel spells >not putting everything else into Dark Magic for Shartmetal

Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:49:22 2017 No.4326475

>>4326462
Expert Torch Light is somewhat useful. Alternatively though you could just turn the Brightness way up, but that makes the game look like shit. Haste is incredibly useful, but all the recasting makes it tedious.

Sparks and Poison Spray remain incredibly efficient all game long. Ice/Lightning Bolt even have some situational uses.

Shrapmetal is strong as fuck, but everyone already knows that. You even get Dragon Breath and Day of Protection (MM6) or Souldrinker (MM7/8) just by dumping points in Dark. Once you get it rolling there is basically no reason to get up in anything but Dark, Miscellaneous skills, and maybe Meditation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 03:59:13 2017 No.4326484 >>4326475 >Sparks and Poison Spray remain incredibly efficient all game long. Ice/Lightning Bolt even have some situational uses. And both of those are under Water/Air which you are already pumping to 10 anyway. Checkmate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 06:28:21 2017 No.4326592 Is Dodging the best armor in MM7?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 06:46:51 2017 No.4326612 >>4326592 Only on the females (so that you can see their tits)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 06:51:56 2017 No.4326618 >>4282194 >banned Good riddance

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 09:12:49 2017 No.4326726 Someone play HotA with me

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 09:13:57 2017 No.4326730 I want to Spray my semen onto a cute Might and Magic girl. I am a Master Water Magic Wizard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 10:01:49 2017 No.4326795 File: 732 KB, 815x435, auti.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4326730

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 10:05:58 2017 No.4326803 >>4326795 What an uggo

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 11:39:51 2017 No.4326925 In terms of Graphics, Heroes can never ever compete with Disciples

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 15:41:30 2017 No.4327252 >>4276932 Sandro is a girl, btw. iirc in the lore she's the only female lich.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 15:50:03 2017 No.4327269 >>4287637 >Adela man clerics are shit, never main them for Castle

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 16:25:00 2017 No.4327337 >>4327252 That's Xzi

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 16:30:20 2017 No.4327348 >>4326456 Homm3 magic is messy but each school has a good assortment of useful spells.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 17:07:20 2017 No.4327417 >>4326456 >Earth is the "magic of staying" (slow, stun, turn to stone). Why are the necromancy spells earth tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 17:44:56 2017 No.4327503 >>4287637 this type of shit is why i hate this stupid game. Eight of my last nine runs have been ruined by forced garbage skills where I lost the desire to play even though it is winnable.

Anonymous Sat Oct 14 17:51:27 2017 No.4327510

>>4327503
Why? It's not a building game. Hell, I've won a game because of Artillery, and I know it's a shitty skill, but it was that or Eagle Eye and the first shot defending a siege since I could cast with the towers saved my neck.

I can count on both hands the number of times games really came down to that huge ending clash between my main army and the other guy's main army and the issue was in doubt. So what if you win at the end of the day with a hero who has a shitty skill?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 14 17:56:34 2017 No.4327517 >>4327503 Vanilla problems, you can actually "forget" unwanted skills in wog if you find or there is proper hut on the map.

Anonymous Sat Oct 14 17:57:35 2017 No.4327520

>>4327510
because I play in order to have the type of set up that I set out to play for satisfaction and storytelling purposes. It would be like if a GM in a game said "oh and now at this level I am forcing you to rank up as fighter and must take Improved Grapple even though you wanted to continue to be a cleric and pick up Quicken Spell"

Anonymous Sun Oct 15 01:18:32 2017 No.4328313

>>4326592
No. You get lower recovery with it, but the other armor skills you can just learn the skill and then mostly ignore it. Dodging requires putting points into to be of any use. Even then dodging loses out late game on the % physical reduction from Plate Master or even Chain GM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 15 01:44:07 2017 No.4328337 >>4327520 >not roleplaying for storytelling purposes that the god you suck off for spells gave you improved grapple as a test of faith

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 15 03:24:26 2017 No.4328441 >>4327417 >keeping bodies "alive" after death >not "magic of staying" You thought you could avoid getting roasted if you delete your post huh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 15 11:53:45 2017 No.4329021 >>4316802 Why does he call Antigarich Eratia?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 15 14:01:14 2017 No.4329273 >>4316802 >Might and Magic VII is his favorite Well, looks like he has the best taste then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 16 08:10:55 2017 No.4330718 File: 239 KB, 504x292, 1507648555036.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, how do we fix Inferno?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 16 08:20:02 2017 No.4330726 >>4330718 Combine it with Necropolis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 16 08:22:43 2017 No.4330728 >>4330726 Homm 4 did this and look how that turned out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 16 08:25:27 2017 No.4330731 >>4330728 what's wrong with it? Except that best unit is thorny poison shooting cucumbers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 16 08:33:07 2017 No.4330741 >>4330731 H4 itself is what's wrong, not the faction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 16 11:28:34 2017 No.4330970 >>4330731 The whole faction was anit-synergetic with itself. Also it was generally more necropolis-focused, and inferno units felt largely slapped on and painted over with some slight necro flavor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 02:12:42 2017 No.4332534 >>4330741 H4 wasn't THAT bad. Combat skill was stupidly OP and the XOR gimmick didn't really work, but it was still a decent game.

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 04:59:20 2017 No.4332665

>>4330718
We install HotA, where they get a really strong opener in form of Calh. That's because in HotA, Magogs get a guided fireball, so you can cast it at any square and it will explode everything caught in its radius.

Also Inferno really has always been one of the better single player towns (superfast non-retal level 7 and nice ways to go for cheesy Armageddon strategies, also Ayden) and you have to stop being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 05:25:35 2017 No.4332687 In Heroes 4, can you resurrect dead heroes? How?

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 06:11:51 2017 No.4332725

>>4332665
>install HotA
Same HotA that nerfed Necropolis and Conflux in the name of balancing before introducing a new faction stronger than either of them?
>better single player towns
If you like farming. Or annoying early game.
>superfast non-retal level 7
More expensive than Black Dragons with dwelling made out of solid gold judging by it's price. Impossible difficulty says hi.
>nice ways to go for cheesy Armageddon
10% chance to get it in lvl 4 mage guild with your resources gone in the direction of the Foresaken Palace.
>Ayden
Intelligence specialty on top of intelligence - what do you need so much mana for?
>have to stop being retarded
Right, you need to be super smart to constantly keep the formula for demon conversion in your head when necros do it automatically.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 08:18:45 2017 No.4332889 >tfw try 3 because anon suggested it >runs fine in full screen >windowed mode it input lags like shit Nani? I assume it's just my unfamiliarity with dosbox, my PC is super overkill for modern games even

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 08:25:43 2017 No.4332896 >>4332687 Go to any city or a Sanctuary. You can even raise them in combat with Divine Intervention (level 5 life). Really though you should be using Potions of Immortality all the time so this never happens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 08:28:29 2017 No.4332906 >>4332889 Hit tab and set delay to 1, don't use zero because then you won't see the full list of drops. You can also change clock cycles with alt f11 to lower and alt f12 to speed up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 08:40:22 2017 No.4332921 >>4332906 I'm assuming you meant MM not HoMM because you said DOSBOX. If it were for HoMM the answer is install HD .

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 08:50:06 2017 No.4332936 >>4332906 >>4332921 Yeah I meant MM 3. Thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 08:55:23 2017 No.4332951 >>4332906 It's ctrl f11 and ctrl f12, not alt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 11:41:06 2017 No.4333178 >>4332725 Cove is nowhere near as powerful as SoD Necro or Flux was. Yeah, its still kind of shitty what they did (especially with heroes).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 15:23:08 2017 No.4333670 >try to play MM6 >every time it just makes me want to play MM7 or even MM8 instead So hard to play MM6 when all the later games are literally MM6 but better in every single way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 16:02:47 2017 No.4333761 >>4333670 but mm6 the lkargest dungeons and can't you appreciate not being locked out of high tier spells by story progression?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 17 16:03:50 2017 No.4333762 >>4333670 but mm6 has the largest dungeons and can't you appreciate not being locked out of high tier spells by story progression?

Anonymous Tue Oct 17 16:30:14 2017 No.4333813

>>4332725
need the mana so you can portal to every town every day and still get your full master air magic dimension doors and fly while having enough left over to blind/resurrection cheese the AI so you never ever lose a unit, i.e. the only way to play singleplayer what "fun" and "pleasure"

oh don't forget to savescum to you can check shit like army counts or whether they have shackles of war or recanter's cloak, and to cheese buy tons of heroes to suicide into AI to deplete their mana when the poor computer ever actually manage to assemble something actually vaguely threatening at a time where you're not ready to defend with zero losses

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:25:44 2017 No.4335406

>>4333670
6 has plenty of charm by itself. Even if you prefer the class and talent systems of the later games, 6 still has the biggest world, biggest dungeons, and gets did of a lot of the annoying limitations like not getting master bow.

I think the biggest problems with 6 are the lack of other races and the complete uselessness of Knights and Druids. The druid promotions particularly are really poorly designed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:43:36 2017 No.4335442 >>4330731 LMFAO WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THAT TRASH OVER VAMPIRES

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:44:58 2017 No.4335445 >>4333813 Or you can stop flagellating yourself and play Dungeon for Mana Vortex, better heroes, better specials and better units.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:49:33 2017 No.4335453

We all know that the comfiest MM6 party is what they give you in quick start : PACS. And if you're a high T alpha, you pick CSSD, since might classes are trash in MM6.

But what about MM7?

What is the comfiest Light/Dark party?

What is the best Light/Dark party?

Redpill me on the differences between Light & Dark!

Is anyone ITT
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/143119-might-and-magic-vii-for-blood-and-honor/52445660
smart?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:51:50 2017 No.4335460 >>4335453 Just use the default Knight/Thief/Cleric/Sorceror party. The game is not hard enough to require any minmaxing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:53:21 2017 No.4335461 >>4335460 Knight is shit tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:57:35 2017 No.4335467 >>4330718 Nothing, it's what you play when you're bored with all the easy-mode towns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 11:59:44 2017 No.4335471 >>4335467 Play Fortress then.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 12:48:27 2017 No.4335547

>>4335453
Comfiest is KKCS and it's the most effective if you want to play both sides with only KCSS being close. Hybrids are garbage, disarm is irrelevant, and Archers don't synchronize with anything other than other archers.

With light you have excellent basic light so Archers and Paladins perform better. After basic light it mainly becomes a buffing spell school, so it works well with melee classes. Your offensive spellcasting will always be weak, but you get a lot more variance in useful classes. Dark on the other hand is ALL about Shrapmetal. It's basically an instagib button as long as you can keep up your mana pool. Once you get up in skill it won't take more than 3 shots to kill anything in the game other than the Blaster Guy, and only because he is immune. As such you want to stack a Cleric and as many Sorcerers as possible with CSSS being the most hilarious and abusive. If you don't really need the early game damage boost from a knight CCCS is very viable, although I would go KCSS until you feel comfortable.

That thread looks full of idiots. Anyone calling druids ok is full of it. GM body is virtually mandatory for power cure and GM protection from Magic to stop instagib and a Cleric is the only class that has it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 12:51:35 2017 No.4335551 >>4335547 >CCCS is very viable dark Should be CSSS. I guess you could get multiple Clerics, but there's no reason to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 12:53:50 2017 No.4335552 >>4335547 Monk and Thief do more damage and don't need Armsmaster (which you need to get from the toughest area in the game to get GM) or expensive armor as Knights do

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:04:55 2017 No.4335581 >>4335547 Man, this is one depressing post. >don't pick any diverse classes, just pick what the game recommends you pick or only the 2 classes that were already the strongest classes in MM6

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:06:53 2017 No.4335587

>>4335552
Monk damage is absolutely horrible until you get to Evermorn, and really doesn't catchup until you enchant an item of unarmed, since you can also enchant an item of armsmaster it ends up being a push. Thieves only do more damage in the time between when they get expert dagger until the knight gets to master sword which doesn't take very long, even factoring in that thieves attack twice as fast. It's not hard to get really good swords. Expensive armor? Recovery time is pretty bad until GM but you also pick up the master physical reduction. All dodging does is give more AC, youh lose out on the armor enchant until GM anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:09:16 2017 No.4335592 >>4335587 Dagger GM gives +dmg per skill point. Sword skills never increase sword dmg. Swords are literally nothing more than a defensive weapon.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:12:41 2017 No.4335596

>>4335581
Well he asked for best. Cleric is the only essential class. Other than that you can largely pick what you want but the game will push you toward melee+cleric+offensive caster. The scaling of GM is too powerful for most of the hybrids to catchup, although Paladins and Archers are perfectly viable light side.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:19:21 2017 No.4335615

>>4335592
And armsmaster also adds a point if damage per skill, and 2 at GM. A knight late game doesn't care about weapon skills and is only going up in Armsmaster and maybe Body Building. Any decent knight will be running spear sword. The big problem is the recovery cap of 30 us far too easily reached, so the knight starts with more damage because it's weapons are bigger and attacks just as fast, not to mention the spear artifacts like Charele are better than the dagger artifact equivalents. The only thing a knight misses out on is the triple damage proc, which even at 20 or so isn't reliable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:37:07 2017 No.4335650 >>4335615 Thief gets +1 damage from Armsmaster too and you can get GM Dagger way earlier than GM Armsmaster (=you can only get that by the time you pretty much don't need it anymore).

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:39:44 2017 No.4335652

>All 18 classes can acquire Learning, and all but two have an equal 4 in 112 chance of being offered it on level up. Only Planeswalkers and Alchemists are exceptions; Planeswalkers have a higher 8 chances, while Alchemists have 10.

Alchemist truly is the worst. On top of that the only good one, Neela-chan, starts with Scholar.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 13:55:11 2017 No.4335687

>>4335650
Yes, and as such the scaling is roughly the same aside from the triple damage proc which is what I said. Knights start out with more damage because they use harder hitting weapons, so roughly even damage scaling benefits the knight. In addition you keep the very high defense from GM plate and body building and only lose out on the elemental resistance from GM leather which can be replaced with just a ring of protection, disarm, and thievery. When they do get GM they completely dominate offensively, until then the two classes are comparable aside from the thief RNG dependent damage spikes.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 14:49:17 2017 No.4335769

Imagine if all secondaries got +1 bump in skill mastery.

Paladin can get GM Cleric spells at final promotion (but only Expert LM/DM)
Archer can get GM Sorceror spells at final promotion (but only Expert LM/DM)
Druid final promotion can get GM in all spells except LM/DM (can't learn)
Master can get Master in Cleric spells
Booty Hunter can get Master in all spells

ETC

Are now non-Knight, non-Cleric, non-Sorc classes playable?

In return, Sorceror Staff or Dagger mastery is bumped and Cleric can get GM Mace and better Chain.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:07:27 2017 No.4335796

>>4335769
Yes that would do a ton to fix the problems. The oversight of only 1 class getting GM body is inexcusable from a balance perspective. Rangers still probably need something else like master sword or GM bow, but that would take care of so many problems. With MMExtension you can set them yourself in the class skills.txt if you want to try it out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 18 15:08:45 2017 No.4335801 >>4335769 I do something like this on a daily basis by hex editing my game to allow me to learn higher skills.

Anonymous Wed Oct 18 23:03:48 2017 No.4336764

>>4335547
>That thread looks full of idiots
Yes it looks pretty bad. There aren't unarmed or armsmaster +25 items in the game in the first place. The world drops were nerfed pre-release, presumably in late beta, where world drops can only get to +12 skill. The highest skill (without artifacts) you can get from those is 18 and only through GM enchant item.

Also, defending the MM6 Knight? Really? There is no reason whatsoever to pick a Knight over a Paladin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 00:10:42 2017 No.4336895 >>4335547 >power cure What's so unique bout it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 00:14:30 2017 No.4336906 >>4336764 Paladin is recommended pick. Rebels can't pick it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 00:23:12 2017 No.4336928 >>4335796 >With MMExtension you can set them yourself in the class skills.txt if you want to try it out. Where can I download this and is it compatible with Gayface's mod?

>>	mutare Thu Oct 19 01:04:48 2017 No.4337001 I wanna be a dragon!!!

Anonymous Thu Oct 19 01:50:26 2017 No.4337054

>>4336928
It's on Greyface's site because he made it. I've had problems before using it with the GOG installed version at times. You will know it worked if the game will seem to hang for a while (20 seconds or so) right at launch while it is making the tables.

https://sites.google.com/site/sergroj/mm/mmextension

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 02:18:40 2017 No.4337076 Just save edit it in instead lmoa Hbao

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 08:23:01 2017 No.4337336 In HoMM4, does a Chaos Ward protect from Medusa's Stone Gaze?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 10:12:57 2017 No.4337459 irregular reminder that succ wars never ever

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 12:12:41 2017 No.4337664 Is it okay to cheat in Master dodging to my female characters? I don't want them to wear armor, I wanna see their tits.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 13:17:09 2017 No.4337806 >>4336895 Healing 4 characters at once is way more powerful than healing one. Especially against things with AoE like queens of the dead it's almost essential.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 13:30:43 2017 No.4337837 >>4337664 Yes! Cheating is best!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 14:58:11 2017 No.4337995 >>4337664 Stop being an insecure faggot and just play the games the way you want.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 15:00:41 2017 No.4337998 >>4337995 Cringe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 15:09:50 2017 No.4338020 >>4337995 >playing games Double cringe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 15:20:05 2017 No.4338042 On all levels except physical, I am Sandro

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 18:21:20 2017 No.4338413 >>4338042 [necromances]

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 19:50:04 2017 No.4338597 >>4338042 [7000 rattles]

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 22:37:37 2017 No.4338920 Congratulations on your level up mr wizard! You got: +1 attack would you like to learn Eagle Eye or Mysticism? >quits run

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 19 23:25:30 2017 No.4338994 >>4338920 What's wrong with Mysticism???

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 00:11:45 2017 No.4339074 >>4338994 He only plays maps with magic wells & waterfalls

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 00:23:51 2017 No.4339094 >>4339074 Hahaha, what a loser >>4338920 is!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 10:18:56 2017 No.4339828 >>4273538 Play MM6.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 13:58:12 2017 No.4340262 >>4339828 DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 16:21:13 2017 No.4340540 How does this compare to Wizardy?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 16:23:06 2017 No.4340548 How does this compare to Gates of Skeldal?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 16:48:37 2017 No.4340616 How does this compare to having a gf (male)?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 18:34:11 2017 No.4340880 Offense >>> Armorer I dare you to prove me wrong

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 18:43:44 2017 No.4340903 File: 182 KB, 800x600, Tazar[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4340880

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 18:46:24 2017 No.4340908 >>4340903 >half the level on Crag Hack and 1 Pikeman oneshots 10 angels

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 18:47:31 2017 No.4340910 >>4340880 how is the 30% offence bonus calculated anyways?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 19:02:19 2017 No.4340942 File: 617 KB, 1356x603, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4340908 haa, you wish

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 19:03:16 2017 No.4340947 >>4340540 It's exploration focused with a big overworld and dungeons you go into. Wizardry is more about combat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 19:08:03 2017 No.4340953 >>4340942 to be fair level 59 Tazar still gets 200k damage from that, you need to set up a bunch of exp events to go higher level. But offense doesn't help much when defending creature's def is higher than attack.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 19:55:51 2017 No.4341038 File: 1.02 MB, 966x1200, tazar hack.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here's more realistic scenario. Both have expert armorer and offense, no morales, Crag has first turn, but can't win.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 20:00:01 2017 No.4341052 >>4338994 it recovers an essentially irrelevant amount of mana and is a huge waste. you don't have time to spend twelve turns recharging your mana pool, just spend a turn at a mage guild or visit a mana providing map object

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 20:06:02 2017 No.4341067 >>4338994 mysticism specialists are great for sending into caves with DD and fly to gather artifacts, however intelligence > mysticism any day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 02:26:43 2017 No.4341612 >>4341052 NOT early on in small maps!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 02:40:58 2017 No.4341631 >>4273538 It's fun

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 03:08:50 2017 No.4341673

>MM6
>literally 2 unplayable classes
>and 2 clearly inferior classes
>basically only 2 classes worth playing
>you can instantly learn end game spells/skills (most of them) with no quest to earn that privilege
>horrible character faces
>only one race
>dumb story to be honest

Does it literally have any appeal other than MUH HUGE DUNGEONS?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 03:39:15 2017 No.4341724 >>4341673 there are no unplayable classes i would say aside from no armsmaster 6 is better balanced than 7 where elemental magic is garbage and shrapmetal is even more OP

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 03:50:02 2017 No.4341741

>>4341724
to expand on this its clear that the devs didnt really understand how to make a good ruleset in either game but at least 6 had some semblance of logic with balanced HP pools, skill point mastery requirements being different costs depending on how good a skill is, no arbitrary skill level restrictions based on class, elemental resistances being somewhat balanced rather than cranked up and very dark magic biased, a much less linear main quest that lets you tackle different objectives in any order, and of course the huge dungeons full of secrets like any good dungeon crawler
MM3-6 is the peak of the series

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 03:55:32 2017 No.4341749

>>4341673
The problem is how absurdly Shrapmetal scales, making everything else irrelevant. This is the biggest problem in both 6 and 7. It still remains a problem in 8 as well, you just have more ways of dealing with it (Dragons and overleveled party members). MM6 has better quests, more outdoor areas, and the damage types make a lot more sense than making Poison Spray and Ice Bolt do the same type of damage.

>>4341724
Elemental is fine in MM7, especially considering you get a guaranteed Air Magic ring in one of the first quests of the game. Knights are useless in MM6, and armsmaster alone helps bring melee classes back in line with magic scaling. There are some uses for MM6 druids (mainly as backup healer/portals) but having both isn't a realistic tradeoff for giving up more Shrapmetal. They would be perfectly viable light side MM7 if they had GM of both, but still not worth the tradeoff of losing Shrapmetal dark side (not to mention the idiotic Warlock promotion quest).

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 04:33:23 2017 No.4341809 >>4341749 Just play a good guy and don't use Dark Magic, problem solved.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:04:30 2017 No.4341845 What's the point of spells like: >Shared Life >(everything in Earth Magic) >non-scaling damage/healing spells >Protection form X [doesn't seem to do anything ever] >non-curing Mind Magic

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:19:29 2017 No.4341852 File: 454 KB, 818x647, 1508577569759.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] r8 my party's names I'm not good at naming

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 06:27:58 2017 No.4341897 Smart opinion: The sooner you can get +damage on a weapon skill, the better it is. This is why maces are the best always and you should always have a Troll or Paladin with a mace.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 06:52:03 2017 No.4341919 File: 79 KB, 639x400, 9oEzA2b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4270068 Hi there, I'm looking to get into Might & Magic, what's the best game for a beginner like me?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 06:55:22 2017 No.4341923 >>4341919 Always go with release order.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 07:28:02 2017 No.4341945 >>4338042 It is easier to be Sandro on a physical level than on all others. In time, everyone turns to be Sandro on a physical level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 08:15:35 2017 No.4341971 Bows are for pussies who abuse the enemy speed by shooting while running backwards. Real men fight in real time MELEE combat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 09:30:34 2017 No.4342037 >>4341971 Any ranged projectile attack is cancer in this game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 12:01:29 2017 No.4342273 >>4342037 >yfw you can't even kill a rat with Dragon's breath because the projectile's hitbox doesn't fly close enough

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 12:42:42 2017 No.4342350 Heroes orchestra will release fortress theme next week, hype!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 12:55:52 2017 No.4342386 >>4313917 >>4313923 Thanks bruh >>4314865 Not a woman you thirsty faggot

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 13:07:15 2017 No.4342404

>>4341612
yea a lot of bad skills are okay early on small maps, like leadership, luck, ballistics, mysticism. that doesn't make them actually good...their being extremely situationally slightly useful in this one case is the exception that proves the rule (that they are very bad)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 13:15:04 2017 No.4342424 >>4342404 >Leadership, Luck, Ballistics >bad Bad bait.

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 13:26:11 2017 No.4342445
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>>4342424
they're sometimes useful but still a huge waste.

you want your earth, air, wisdom, armor, offense, logistics, then maybe archery, maybe diplomacy, maybe necromancy, maybe navigation, maybe pathfinding, maybe tactics, maybe sorcery, maybe water or fire magic. Stuff like leadership/luck/ballistics force you to take a big opportunity-cost hit. Plus map objects and items already can do the work of luck and/or leadership for you, another serious opportunity cost if you waste a slot on those skills.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 13:36:49 2017 No.4342463 What's the point of mastering bows anyway? 2x little damage is still little damage

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 13:53:43 2017 No.4342508 And what's the point of Divine Power potions if you don't get skills for it?

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 13:55:02 2017 No.4342513
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jesus fuck a lot of the homm players here are terribad casuls, probably play on 140%. It hurts me to think what clusterfucks your skill choices are on your main heroes. Probably something like fire magic and sorcery without wisdom, mysticism because why not it must be good, learning "because it's a combo that lets me level up more," scholar and eagle eye "so I can learn all the spells (without wisdom or useful magic school skills) then luck AND leadership while also wearing the pendant of courage.

it hurts to see the same bad thinking rushing to defend bad choices, or not able to clearly see why things are bad without having it spelled out for them. Every freaking thread. This game's been out for nearly 20 years ffs.

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 14:24:36 2017 No.4342564

>>4341845
Shared life is actually really useful.

If you have a team with different levels of max hp you can use the stronger ones to help heal the weaker ones and then power cure as needed. If everyone has roughly the same max hp to begin with then it brings then all back in line so power cure is maximized.

The rest of that list seems to be MM6 specific. Earth is complete shit other than Stone to Flesh, just like mind is largely shit other than remove fear/cure paralysis/cure insanity although Telekenesis has some uses. Non-scaling spells are usually very early on in the guilds, so the main use is intended to be just for the very early game. Protection from x just lowers damage you take from a specific damage type, it's not really that strong until you get Day of Protection.

>>4341919
1, 3, or 6 depending on how comortable you are with old DOS games. We usually suggest 3 if you don't know.

>>4342463
>>4342508
If you use regular bows it's mostly trash, if you use bows that have an enchantment (say 9-12 cold damage, or especially of Carnage) that damage is doubled and it's not too poorly scaled. Divine power in MM6 is mostly useless, just go to a temple.

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 14:29:56 2017 No.4342580

>>4342564
>Protection from x just lowers damage you take from a specific damage type, it's not really that strong until you get Day of Protection.
No it doesn't. It just increases the tiny chance of lowering damage.

>When your character gets hit by magic, there is 1 - 30/(30 + Resistance + LuckEffect) chance of reducing damage on each 'dice drop'. Here's what happens:
t. Sergroj

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 14:56:32 2017 No.4342627 >>4342513 I feel your pain bro also playing plain heroes 3 without wog/era 2 that enchances heroes experience greatly is just dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 15:04:00 2017 No.4342642 >>4316802 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPa3HBVM4_E >GET A CLERIC! >NOBODY ELSE CAN RAISE THE DEAD AND CURE AUTISM!! But a druid and a paladin can... is he a normie?

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 15:26:50 2017 No.4342703

>>4342627
my problem with those is that they don't work with the huge ui improvements of the HD mod (flexible windowed mode for example) and because of my monitor's high resolution they bug the fuck out in fullscreen, so I have to play them in a horrendously tiny window. Also, have to delete all my maps because it crashes if it sees normal or hota maps. Plus it seems to just stop working after like one run anyways. I wish it were integrated into the HD mod, then I'd actually use WoG/ErA, but as is it's just basically unusable for me

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 15:44:28 2017 No.4342734 File: 432 KB, 818x647, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:42:49 2017 No.4343090 >>4342642 he's the guy that plays NES games widescreen on his 50 inch flatscreen TV

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:13:47 2017 No.4343853 >>4342734 Wow, I never realized that the Baa in "Followers of Baa" meant to be an imitation of sheep sounds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:26:37 2017 No.4343874 What protection should I cast to protect my party from Armageddon damage?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:36:49 2017 No.4343887 Does Finger of Death instantly kill anything* when you have 20 pts in Dark Magic?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:47:38 2017 No.4343901 >>4313650 Just trying to get to know her

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 02:21:51 2017 No.4343969 >>4343887 If you have 20 pts in Dark Magic then Shartfart deals 6+(20 to 120) pts of dmg. Now, how do you not kill anything in one hit with 26 damage?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 02:53:51 2017 No.4344026 >>4343853 It's a running gag in the series. MM3 has the Temple of Moo, MM4 has the Temple of Yak, and MM5 has the Temple of Bark.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 02:55:20 2017 No.4344031 >>4343874 In MM6? I think it's physical so Stone Skin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 02:57:56 2017 No.4344039 >>4344031 Looked it up and it's magic. So obviously cast Protection From Magic which is in Earth Magic. You shouldn't be putting any points in Earth so just cast Day of Protection.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 04:20:09 2017 No.4344124 >>4344039 But that doesn't make you immune

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 04:38:51 2017 No.4344139 >>4344124 That's because there is no way to get immunity to it. The point of the backlash is to keep you from spamming it without healing. As long as your characters have 70 hp you won't die anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 07:12:05 2017 No.4344265 Send help!!! Whenever I start turn based combat, it just freezes forever!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 08:27:11 2017 No.4344342 What's your favortie weapne

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 09:27:42 2017 No.4344403 File: 430 KB, 818x647, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Be master axe trainer >Talk about the Glory of the Mace Really gets your noggin joggin

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 12:58:05 2017 No.4344834 >>4344265 I've had this happen before. Just save, exit the game, and relaunch it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:04:28 2017 No.4345001 >>4344342 Master Blaster

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:51:28 2017 No.4345116 >>4344342 Greater Gnoll's Flail (Większy Korbacz Gnolli).

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:54:11 2017 No.4345125 >>4345116 blocks ur path with Buckler of the Gnoll King What now, kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:18:06 2017 No.4345348 >>4344342 Objectively, based on stats alone, Mace > Dagger > Spear > Axe > Unarmed > Sword > Staff

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:26:46 2017 No.4345378 >>4344342 In real life, I am a connoisseur of halberds

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 21:52:54 2017 No.4346173

>>4345348
Why do you count daggers as though you get to use two at once but count swords as though you can use only use one weapon at a time? Swords are very flexible and do quite a bit of damage.

>>4344342
Blaster>Sword>GM mace>Spear>Dagger> Unarmed>Axe>Non GM Mace (MM6)>Staff

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 00:54:30 2017 No.4346513 >>4346173 A sword gives you no +10 dmg in the process of (grand) mastery and it's literally as slow as a staff (100 recovery). It's insane how shit swords actually are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 01:07:00 2017 No.4346528 >>4346513 Just like swords are overrated in reality

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 01:23:48 2017 No.4346548 >>4337336 I doubt it. Ward effects don't seem to effect chance based abilities of units

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 02:49:48 2017 No.4346708 >>4346528 But Katanas >>> swords.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 03:15:29 2017 No.4346761 >>4346513 Dual wielding swords anytime after early game is dumb, but what makes swords good is that you can stack them with maces or spears with only a 10 recovery time penalty (and free for axes).

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 03:56:19 2017 No.4346819

>>4346761
You wot m8? If you DW two weapons, then it always takes the slower weapon's recovery time. So if you have anything + Sword, you swing as slow as you would with a staff. Same goes for unarmed btw, which is why Staff GM is so shit. You'd need 70 pts in staff to make it swing as fast as unarmed. And you cannot have a skill higher than 60 in this game (if you raise it to 63 you get a -3 penalty).

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 09:22:58 2017 No.4347165

>>4346819
Master means you already cut recovery by 7 for the sword. Sword is only 90 per Greyface to start with, so master is 83. Maces and spears are 80. Losing 3 recovery time is negligible.

Unarmed is base 60 recovery, not 30. The melee cap is 30. The reason staff GM is shit is that there is basically no way to make up the 40 recovery difference of the staff without stupid amounts of speed/armsmaster, and unlike a knight a monk should be dumping skill points in unarmed all game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 11:49:57 2017 No.4347358 >>4347165 >Sword is only 90 per Greyface to start with, so master is 83 I have Gayface mod and it says the rectime is 100.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 11:52:43 2017 No.4347362 >>4346708 Why are there no katanas & samerai armer in M&M anyway? Based wizardry had samerai AND narutos

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 11:56:03 2017 No.4347370 >>4347362 M&M has katanas and ninjas. Archers were the replacement for samurai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:33:38 2017 No.4347430 >>4347370 Aaaaa naruhodo (I understand) Archer makes much more sense than samerai (no)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 13:15:58 2017 No.4347496 >>4347358 https://sites.google.com/site/sergroj/mm/mechanics His site says differently

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 13:36:23 2017 No.4347535 >>4347362 Wizardry is a way better game than Might and Magic, that's why Even wiz 8 is better than all the good MM's combined

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:12:34 2017 No.4347728 What is the best Might and Magic 8 character to make if you're not gonna user Sergey's cheat mod that allows you to create an entire party? (So no dragon MC obviously.)

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:21:27 2017 No.4347747

>>4347728
Are you going to use the overpowered characters like Cauri, Blazen, or the first two dragons? If yes then just pick something you will need, but already has an equivalent on Dagger Wound like Necromancer or Cleric (note all Cleric hirelings are male, if you want a female Cleric you have to pick her as your starter). I usually go with a Necromancer.

If you aren't using the super powerful hirelings then probably Dark Elf. They have tons of GM skills and master elemental magic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:31:53 2017 No.4347768 >>4347747 >Are you going to use the overpowered characters like Cauri, Blazen, or the first two dragons? I don't know, are they hot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:53:59 2017 No.4347841 File: 258 KB, 640x480, 283937-might-and-magic-viii-day-of-the-destroyer-windows-screenshot[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4347768

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:59:32 2017 No.4347860 >>4347768 Go with a Cleric if you are asking that question. Like I said, all the Clerics that can join you in game are male and you probably want a Cleric in your party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:05:02 2017 No.4347876 >>4347841 >Dark Elf Patriarch >Female Tranny?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:07:13 2017 No.4347883 >>4347876 or she was so baddass she grew a dick

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:09:08 2017 No.4347891 >>4347860 I hate clerics (this goes for every RPG ever)

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:21:06 2017 No.4347934

>>4347891
You need some kind of healer, but there is a vampire in the first city. You can't learn healing until you get off Dagger Wound though.

Knight or Dark Elf then, probably knight. The female knight you can hire requires saving the level 50 knight, but she is only 15 or 20. There are two female Dark Elves reasonably early to pick from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:33:05 2017 No.4347960 >>4347934 Oh and don't bother with Necromancers either. Their promotions turn them to Liches.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 23:27:31 2017 No.4348715 >>4347960 What's wrong with Liches? They were the coolest in MM7

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 23:30:05 2017 No.4348723 >>4348715 Well >>4347768 says his priority is going for hot characters, rather than maximizing effectiveness. I mean if you are into skeletons then by all means go for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 23:49:13 2017 No.4348757 File: 1.59 MB, 1026x814, better.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4276472 fight me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 23:59:43 2017 No.4348773 >>4348757 >>4276472 Can we all agree that Pink is shit and doesn't belong with anything?

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 00:26:47 2017 No.4348805

>>4347841
Can we all agree that MM7 had the best models & portraits? MM6 had those fucking cringeworthy real people faces and MM8 models look like the color are all fucked up. Dark Elves look like hot dogs, Necromancdr male looks like a shriveled ball sack & the trolls have a retarded fashion sense (look like hobo homosexuals) and have that "just fuck my shit up hair)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 02:00:34 2017 No.4348928 >>4348805 The models and portraits are the best in MM7, but MM7 voices are the worst of all three.

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 02:36:37 2017 No.4348974

>>4348928
Nope, just because it has some of the worst voices don't mean there aren't some of the best voices too.

Goblin M - great for dumb muscle, 8/10
Goblin M(bald) - meh, 5/10
Goblin F(cute) - 7/10, a bit annoying but cute & appropriate
Goblin F(ugly) - 2/10 chain smoker, maybe good if you want a goblin shaman/witch
Human M(Sally Ho) - 8/10 perfect for some class types
Human M(scar) - 7/10 okay
Human M(chink) - 4/10
Human M(Arab) - 10/10, best lines, perfect for evil party
Human F(ginger) - cancer/10
Human F(nigger) - 9/10 surprisingly pleasant
Human F(yellow fever) - 1/10, annoying as fuck screams
Human F(butifel wyte woman) - 9.5/10 kind of a slut voice tho
Dwarves - who cares, the dwarf that doesn't say "pick me, I can do it" is the best option
Elf males - you some kinda faggot? pick elf girls
Elf F(red) - probably everyone agrees this is the worst voice in the game
Elf F(stupid hairstyle) - very pleasant and neutral voice, 8/10

-> best of both worlds : pick red elf girl face + swap voice to other elf girl

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 02:47:00 2017 No.4348992 >>4348773 I always associated pink with Necro I can't really explain why it just always worked for me

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 04:58:29 2017 No.4349157 >>4348992 I guess you're gay

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 06:50:46 2017 No.4349242 >>4349157 Or maybe you're gay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 07:00:20 2017 No.4349251 What MM race got the relatively biggest dicc?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 07:01:18 2017 No.4349253 >>4349251 Orcs

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 10:07:43 2017 No.4349443 So how would you rank homm games, best to worst?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 10:23:25 2017 No.4349470 >>4349443 HoMM5 TOTE is the best of course, OBJECTIVELY. 'WE' have agreed on this multiple times already so there is most definitely no debating that, absolutely not, nonono. The rest depends on your preferences.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 10:33:28 2017 No.4349489 >>4349470 But what if i think 4 is the best?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 10:35:28 2017 No.4349490 >>4349443 HoMM2 and 3 are the best

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 11:33:43 2017 No.4349561 Anyone who says the new games are good is my enemy....!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 11:41:40 2017 No.4349575 >>4349561 We love Homam 6 ITT

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 12:23:20 2017 No.4349649 What do Deyjns eat for sustenance? What is their economy based on? Where are the farms?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 13:16:51 2017 No.4349716 >>4349251 Pixies

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 13:53:25 2017 No.4349791

>>4349649
Harpies and presumably fungus and bugs. Goblins aren't exactly known for luxurious food.

Their economy is mostly internal, but likely they have minerals and when necessary, knowledge/research. If your inventors never die, there is a lot of potential for economic growth that richer areas like Erathia doesn't have. They also have a convenient location bordering both humans and elves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 13:55:24 2017 No.4349797 >>4349649 They have massive amounts of oil

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 14:58:22 2017 No.4349891 >>4349575 >Deleted Heroes 6 lovers blown the fuck out

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 15:05:10 2017 No.4349905 >>4349489 Then you're an educated fellow who forms his own opinion instead of blindly following the masses.

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 15:36:14 2017 No.4349976

Human Males:
>You wanna ride high? Ride me.
Very cool, 10/10.
>Sally is a hoe (pick me).
Gay sailor, 7/10.
>I'm your man!!!
Said in a whiny voice, 2/10.
>*I* am the one you need.
Obviously the best voice, 10/10.

Human Females:
>Don't get me killed you fucking CIS pig!
-inf/10
>What could go wrong?
Nothing could go wrong with picking this voice. 9/10
>Pick me for your party! Choose me!!
Never used her for more than a few minutes, probably bad. 3/10
>Choose me. [wuz kang]
Can't remember anything bad about this voice but it's not particularly memorable either. 8/10

Elf Males
>C'mon! Pick me...
The only tolerable elf male voice. 6/10
>Hey, right here chief!!
Great if you're gonna kill him at the start I suppose. 1/10

Elf Females
>I. WANT. IN.
Actually not as bad as people say, seems okay for an evil party. Imagine if she said that about your penis in that tone. 4/10
>Please, choose me.
Polite + knows her place + pleasant voice. 10/10, best female voice.

Dwarf Males:
>How about me?
How about no? Stereotypical boring dwarf voice. 5/10
>I won't let you down.
Much more personality, probably best dwarf voice. 8/10

Dwarf Females:
>Don't leave home without me!
I think I will, bye Felicia. 0/10
>Pick me, I'll be helpful!
Good if you're a pedo, which I suppose is the only reason to pick a dwarf female... so 6/10 for them?

Goblin Male:
>How about me, I can do it!
Sounds like he drank leftover frying oil for a month. Disgusting voice but at least it's sort of appropriate? 1/10
>You need a strong warrior like myself!
Best black voice in the game. 9/10

Goblin Females:
>Pick....meeeeee.... .... ... you have to choose.... me
No. Just no. 0/10
>I'm the one you want!
Sounds like she's eager to prove herself / compensate for her green skin by servicing you sexually. Kinda high pitched but I would really like to rape her / use her as my personal sex slave. 8.5/10

+Lich Male
Improvement over elf male, so... 8/10
+Lich Female
Annoying grandma, 1/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 15:40:58 2017 No.4349990 All Might and Magic 6 classes were better in Might and Magic 6 than in Might and Magic 7 except the Archer. Yes, the Knight was better there too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 15:41:33 2017 No.4349991 >>4349976 Hoooooly fuck, the autism came at me like the waves of a derping typhoon! 10/10 sir top cringe material

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 15:44:08 2017 No.4349996 >>4349991 What is this cool kid doing in this thread?

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 16:06:05 2017 No.4350042

>>4349990
No, not even close unless you just want to count the fact that you can learn all utility skills and bow to master on everyone. Having these skills other than bow on more than 1 person is usually useless.

In terms of relative utility Clerics, Archers, and Knights are better off in MM7.

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 16:17:32 2017 No.4350062

>>4350042
And this is one of my biggest complaints with MM6, you basically need 1 guy to pick up all the utility skills because the others have to go up in Air, Body, and Water. At minimum you need merchant and disarm, and probably identify item all very early, so you get 1 character with lousy fighting ability until mid game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 20:43:38 2017 No.4350548 >>4348757 eh, that's fine dunno why you switched dungeon and inferno, but whatever

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 23:28:11 2017 No.4350819 >>4349976 What a stupid nerd loser!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 00:19:38 2017 No.4350927 What are the best skills to put all your skillpoints into after you've obtained all the (Grand) Masteries you need? Other than Dark Magic of course.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 02:05:57 2017 No.4351078 >>4350927 Bow, Unarmed, or Armsmaster for melee classes depending on what that class can get from them. Body, Air, Water, or Light for casters. Body Building or Meditation are also ok, but you don't really need the extra most of the time.

Anonymous Wed Oct 25 02:10:31 2017 No.4351084

>>4351078
That's of course assuming you already filled out the other relevant skills to master or GM as needed like armor and weapons, and you just have extra points that would be wasted with something stupid like learning.

Water, Air, and Body never stop being useful even at 30 skill with a ring, especially if you aren't using dark magic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 03:10:45 2017 No.4351158 >>4351084 >learning is stoopid! What an idiot

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 03:17:09 2017 No.4351168 >>4270068 >http://pastebin.com/6G9B1cMA What is the "roms.7z" for? Console versions of MM 1-3?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 03:28:46 2017 No.4351184 File: 169 KB, 507x743, hotgoblins.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4349976 >Fug goblin girls Nope. This ain't anime goblins. They ugly. Not cawaii at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 06:06:32 2017 No.4351348 >>4351184 Nah, the one with the cute voice looks cute too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 06:22:18 2017 No.4351358 >>4351168 That should be for use with MM 3-5 if you want to play them with higher quality audio using MUNT

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 06:59:06 2017 No.4351389 >>4351084 >something stupid like learning t. faggot piece of shit who doesn't know anything about these games

Anonymous Wed Oct 25 14:42:35 2017 No.4351993

>>4351158
>>4351389
Learning only gives the experience boost on creature kills, not quests. What do you actually get from learning post skill 1 (which you should always have)? You get more experience for slightly higher hp/sp, but it ends up being pretty minuscule unless you put a ton in or get GM. The skill points from the levels you get aren't as strong as they seem because you had to put points into the skill in the first place and would have been better used elsewhere. If you can get learning up early it can be worth it, but most classes have skills that have to go up immediately, whereas learning is just nice to have instead of borderline essential.

The only other use for learning is padding your final score which is irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 14:50:35 2017 No.4352005 >>4351993 >Learning only gives the experience boost on creature kills, not quests. And you get way more XP for killing which is also an infinite resource. You can literally always pay back the learning xp

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 15:07:28 2017 No.4352037 >>4349976 i like it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 15:08:37 2017 No.4352038 >>4351184 I see no Goblin here

Anonymous Wed Oct 25 15:08:46 2017 No.4352039

>>4352005
>You can literally always pay back the learning xp
Eventually, but it usually takes about 20-25 levels for master to make up the difference over level 1 because every new level takes more than the previous one, and actually makes quests worth less than they would because the reward is static experience but the amount required to level goes up. This is the biggest problem with learning. Getting from 65 to 75 takes a lot more than 55 to 65. In the mean time you lost out on the value of those skill points elsewhere. By endgame there isn't a huge difference between those 10 levels anyway, whereas early the 21 skill points would have been incredibly useful elsewhere.

You can make a good case for it in 6 and especially 8 because of how many high level monsters you encounter late game and how absurd the levels can get to, so it can mean dozens of levels rather than a handful like 7.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 15:19:34 2017 No.4352063 >>4349976 >>4348974 So who won the debate?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 16:03:41 2017 No.4352176 >>4347728 I'd be a cleric since the cleric NPCs are boring

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 16:05:02 2017 No.4352180 >>4352176 So the MM8 hirelings actually have personalities and dialogues? Wew, I didn't expect that! Can you romance too?!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 16:06:36 2017 No.4352185 >>4348974 The redheaded elf's complete disdain made me want to please her more, though

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 16:10:05 2017 No.4352193 >>4352185 I used her for my evil archer whom I named Lyralei (the Windranger)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 16:10:45 2017 No.4352195 >>4352180 No. Just a look, backstory and stock lines. Which I suspect you know. But the clerics are bland with a touch of douchy, and I kept wanting to trade mine in for everyone I came across, but couldn't because you need a cleric.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 16:14:07 2017 No.4352209 >>4352195 You don't need a Cleric. Only pussies need a Cleric in MM7 and MM8 is much easier than MM7.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 00:04:22 2017 No.4353404 >>4352063 No one. All Might and Magic 7 voices are shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 01:06:40 2017 No.4353508 Is this better than Wizardry?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 02:52:44 2017 No.4353636 >>4353508 Homam 6 is better!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 06:49:19 2017 No.4353968 So do you think homm series is dead?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 06:55:30 2017 No.4353975 File: 14 KB, 200x238, wizardry-labyrinth-of-lost-souls-5854.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4353508 The Might and Magic series died and it's company went broke in 2003 while Wizardry still gets new games made.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 07:10:31 2017 No.4354003 >>4353975 Is Wizardry basically a JRPG then?!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 07:12:54 2017 No.4354005 File: 71 KB, 300x424, Might_&_Magic_X_Legacy_cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4353975 cool story

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 07:18:05 2017 No.4354010 >>4354005 >males are ugly nigger-human (orc) and jew-human (dwarf) >females are both butifel white Aryans Nice race mixing propaganda

Anonymous Thu Oct 26 10:44:21 2017 No.4354268

>>4353968
As in the Ubi stuff yes, they may continue making terrible mobile games for China, but any major games are done for. They may eventually sell the IP, but they won't make anything significant again themselves. As for specifically 3 it will remain, Russia and Eastern Europe won't let it die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 10:49:16 2017 No.4354274 >>4353975 Fuck that shit you might as well play the other wizardry clones like Elminage Gothic instead of the shitty gook phone games. >>4354003 WRPG that more or less spawned the JRPG genre along with Ultima.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 11:00:34 2017 No.4354283 >>4354268 I actually liked the new lore and saw some nice potential to it Shame ubi couldn't make decent games

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 11:00:54 2017 No.4354285 >>4354274 Nah, JRPG is Wizardry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 11:09:55 2017 No.4354302 Why is Tatalia in Might and Magic VII a snow region filled with niggers when in Heroes of Might and Magic 3 it's a swamp region filled

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 11:12:42 2017 No.4354306 >>4354283 The lore in isolation was ok. The problem was dumping it into a franchise and world(s) that already had strong lore, despite the clusterfuck known as Axeoth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 11:14:01 2017 No.4354309 >>4354302 *with niggers (with scales)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 11:15:06 2017 No.4354310 >>4354302 That's just the far north in the country. Most of Tatalia isn't shown (and the maps aren't to scale) and the southern edge extends quite a bit beyond the borders of the zone in 7.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 12:46:57 2017 No.4354425 >>4353404 Might and Magic 6 voices are worse

Anonymous Thu Oct 26 14:51:49 2017 No.4354628

Might and Magic will always be better than Wizardry because it has spells like:

>Invisibility
(that actually makes you invisible, not some +AC bullshit no one cares about or something that every monster is able to detected with random rolls)
>Flying
(that actually makes you fly freely all over the map)
>Town Portal
(no Jew owned portal scroll bullshit business)
>Jake Lloyd's Beacon
(puts you into the psych ward after you get raped multiple times as a child actor)
>Feather Fall
(makes you weigh as little as a feather, no more misogynistic scale ruining your day)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 16:52:55 2017 No.4354830 File: 3 KB, 945x432, Screenshot_2017-10-26_16-51-00.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Soon

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 21:57:32 2017 No.4355335 last for succ wars never ever

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 27 00:27:49 2017 No.4355582 Last for cute goblin girls

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 27 09:12:16 2017 No.4356037 New thread: >>4356035

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