Warrior / red mage / white mage / black mage or Warrior / thief / white mage / black mage

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Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:17:07 2017 No.4264463 [Reply] [Original]

Warrior / red mage / white mage / black mage

or

Warrior / thief / white mage / black mage

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:19:09 2017 No.4264468 fighter, monk, red mage, white mage

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:23:13 2017 No.4264476

Any party is viable, except maybe four thieves. But I'm sure the most hardcore of players could pull that one off as well.

So many things are left broken or incomplete that it doesn't necessarily matter which mages you decide to bring along. They all use magic with the same efficiency; there are just restrictions on which spells they're allowed to learn.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:25:02 2017 No.4264479 >>4264476 I'm not trying to make an overpowered party or anything, I just can't decide if I want a thief or red mage as my last guy. I don't actually know anything about the game, I'm just going on what I imagine the party being like in my head.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:32:47 2017 No.4264492

>>4264479

You know you can have duplicate classes, right? Just putting that out there.

Thieves are really poorly balanced in the original game. They're slightly more balanced in later versions, but they're generally obsoleted by fighters. I usually include a thief just for a bit of party diversity, but they're not a good choice from a power gaming perspective.

Red mages can use a little bit of both black and white magic, but none of the later spells that are available exclusively to a white mage or a black mage. Their spells are useful mostly for buffs and healing outside of battle. Red mages can also use a variety of swords and have decent fighting skill.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:34:13 2017 No.4264497 >>4264492 >You know you can have duplicate classes right? Yeah. I'd guess some of the better class combinations use duplicates too but that just doesn't feel right to me from a roleplaying perspective.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:36:44 2017 No.4264503 >>4264492 >You know you can have duplicate classes, right? Just putting that out there. Yeah nobody here ever heard of BALS TO THE WALL or anything.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:42:58 2017 No.4264513

>>4264497
>doesn't feel right to me from a roleplaying perspective

The problem with this approach is that your progress will be constantly hampered by a need to grind for gold so you can afford high-priced spells for all of your mages. And mages definitely aren't that useful in offensive roles. White mages are suitable for a beginner party since their mass healing spells can help offset your mistakes. But black mages and their ostensibly powerful nukes are still out-classed by fighters in almost every regard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:55:46 2017 No.4264527 >>4264513 Buddy the cost to keep fighters equipped DWARFS the cost to teach mages spells.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 00:57:13 2017 No.4264534 File: 40 KB, 480x480, homer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Warrior / red mage / white mage / black mage so much fun inb4 monk spergs

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:00:52 2017 No.4264543 >>4264534 Monk is nice but we all know they cannot take a hit despite that crazy physical damage output.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 01:03:19 2017 No.4264549

>>4264463
Thief is garbage. Period.

Ninja does not make up for the terrible early game that is thief. Red Mage has better melee and utility than Thief, and even post-job change is still reasonable.

I personally like Warrior, Warrior, White Mage, Black Mage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:00:05 2017 No.4264619 File: 69 KB, 610x343, warmech.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] blocks your bridge

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:08:42 2017 No.4264627 >>4264503 He said he didn't know anything about the game, you retarded faggot. Learn to read. That's why he said that to him.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:13:30 2017 No.4264634

Started playing, decided to go with fighter, red mage, white mage, black mage

Is there any in game way to know what spells do before I buy them? Like yeah I know cure will heal and harm will do damage, I guess fog is a status effect but I have no idea what 'ruse' does by name alone.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:18:15 2017 No.4264642
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>>4264634

You'd do yourself a big favor to Schmoogle the Gamercorner Final Fantasy guide to spells and effects, as it lays it all out and reveals the ones that are broken in the NES version.

https://guides.gamercorner.net/ff/spells/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:41:11 2017 No.4264678 >>4264642 kys everything you want to know about the game can be found here OP http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/nes/ff1/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:45:23 2017 No.4264684 >>4264678 >>4264642 Or you can look up the superior guide on mechanics that AstralEsper did on GameFAQs that won't spoil everything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 02:47:53 2017 No.4264687 >>4264684 way to autistic gamefaq is great for those type of things tho

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 04:57:13 2017 No.4264839 File: 11 KB, 570x500, bals.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4264463 Thief is shit. Go for the red mage. and >Warrior >not Fighter Are you playing some girly remake version, young feller me lad? I expect better from you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 05:00:51 2017 No.4264842 >>4264463 I'd go with Red Mage typically, but if you've already got a White and a Black, he'll just end up being your out-of-combat healbot. So go with Thief (even if it is the weaker class).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 05:01:38 2017 No.4264845 >>4264463 white mage x 4 >>>/out/

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 05:20:05 2017 No.4264857

>>4264634
Don't bother with learning spells. They are not worth the cost compared to items.
Most buff spells simply have no effect at all.
The pure (cure posion) spell costs as much as 54 pure potions and the soft (stone to flesh) spell costs as much as 25 soft potions.
There is no way that you get affected by those status conditions that often.
Offensive spells can be cast for free from items and they will do the same

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 05:29:07 2017 No.4264857,1 >>4264845 4 white mages... It will never work!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:01:12 2017 No.4264898 I did fighter/red/white/black last time i played and found black mage to be rather underwhelming

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 06:11:50 2017 No.4264908 >>4264634 Manual. Harm is damage to undead, Fog is a defense buff spell and Ruse is a caster-only evade buff spell. Cast Ruse a couple times and you're literally impossible to hit. This is how people do low level White mage only runs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:31:28 2017 No.4265212 >>4264463 Fighter, Fighter, Red Mage, Red Mage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:36:44 2017 No.4265220 >>4264549 >Thief is garbage. Period. I'd like to know how it differs from version to version because, you see, if I play the FF1 PSP version, Thief is pretty good. He's not so bad and Ninja will be worth it. Monk is probably the best alternative.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:38:02 2017 No.4265223 >>4264543 >Monk is a physical glasscannon that's horrible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 10:47:28 2017 No.4265248 >>4264463 fighter, fighter, black mage, black mage

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 11:31:32 2017 No.4265339 >>4264527 >Buddy the cost to keep fighters equipped DWARFS the cost to teach mages spells. Not it doesn't. The game just hands you equipment as you go along, including a multitude of magic swords. Don't you ever open treasure chests?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 11:33:27 2017 No.4265343 >>4264634 >three fucking mages Have fun grinding for gold. You just tacked 5+ hours onto the game for no real reason.

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 11:42:19 2017 No.4265376

>>4265220
>I'd like to know how it differs from version to version

Not entirely sure, but I believe the thief's stats were slightly tweaked, and he might have been given more equipment access. It still stands to reason that he's basically a gimped fighter, regardless of which version you're playing. Fighters score more hits and can equip virtually anything; thieves have very restrictive equipment access and can't even equip all the same weapons available to a red mage.

After promotion, thieves become ninjas. Their equipment access almost rivals that of the fighter / knight, but not quite. They can't use the Excalibur, but they're the only class that can equip the katana. They gain access to low-level black magic, including the useful haste spell. Still, there's no reason not to opt for a second fighter / knight over a thief / ninja, unless you simply want some diversity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 14:31:55 2017 No.4265782 >>4264463 Warrior, Thief, Red Mage, White Mage is my personal favorite party.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 15:01:20 2017 No.4265856 >>4265220 >>4265376 Ninjas are good in the remakes due to all the bugged spells being fixed. Black magic users don't need to do anything but survive long enough to cast Haste and spam Temper, and Ninjas are great for that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 21:05:36 2017 No.4266629 >look up USA game manual >it's practically a walkthrough of the entire game What

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 21:55:31 2017 No.4266728

>>4265856
I completed the whole game(gba remake) including the extra dungeons with a knight ninja monk and black mage

the monk is still better then the ninja glass cannon with crazy fucking crits hell odds are they will out damage the knight most the time

Anonymous Sun Sep 17 22:11:51 2017 No.4266769

>>4265856
>Ninjas are good in the remakes due to all the bugged spells being fixed.

Well, not exactly. Haste was never bugged, and it's about the only useful spell available to a ninja. Almost everything else is low-level attack magic that you can already cast by using magical weapons as in-battle items.

Remember that INT was never given a function, not even in the Origins version. So whether a character casts a spell they know, or they have a piece of equipment unleash that spell, the effect is no different.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 22:21:40 2017 No.4266797 File: 20 KB, 382x321, 1505510994902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4264619 >RUN >RUN >RUN >RUN >NUCLEAR >PARTY PERISHED

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 22:47:47 2017 No.4266839 >>4264634 Look it up, no joke. Some of the spells on the NES version don't do anything. Fucking TMPR.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 22:52:11 2017 No.4266846 >>4264468 This guy is correct

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 23:07:06 2017 No.4266863 >>4266839 Some of them even do the opposite of what they're supposed to!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 23:07:32 2017 No.4266865 >>4266629 Is this common for nes games?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 23:17:22 2017 No.4266880 >>4264463 Four white mages

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 17 23:23:46 2017 No.4266894 >>4266880 >Four white mages >not a solo thief Git gud, pleb

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 00:27:31 2017 No.4266984 >>4264463 thief thief monk white mage

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 00:47:04 2017 No.4267021 >>4264476 Name 3 things wrong with my favorite party, 4 thieves.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:33:18 2017 No.4267186

>>4266880
This one isn't nearly as hard as people make it out to be but it is boring and tedious. Just cast RUSE over and over again until enemies can't hit you anymore and then simply hammer them down. Also you have more than enough curative spells and you have very easy time with areas with lot of undead enemies as you can just instakill everything with HRM2 and HRM3.

If you want to handicap yourself simply pick thieves over other classes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:52:35 2017 No.4267206 >>4267021 >having a thief in slot 1 >having a thief in slot 2 >having thieves in any of the other slots There ya go

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:22:43 2017 No.4267338

>>4266629
>>4266865
It was common for NES/SNES era RPGs, since they were unsure about their appeal in the west and wanted to ease kids into them by holding their hand through the early stages. Both FF1, FF4 and FF6 have walkthroughs for the early game in their manuals. The FF1 manual covers everything up to the airship, which is about halfway through the game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:24:55 2017 No.4267342 >>4267186 Yeah, four thieves is a lot harder than four white mages.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:45:36 2017 No.4267368

>>4265856
This. But only in the remakes.
Ninjas are extremely effective black magic buffers.
When your black wiz and ninja chucks saber and haste on your knight/master in the same round they're ready to steamroll anything.
Another reason I prefer ninjas to monks is that endgame you're facing loads of breath weapons and insta kill attacks. Monks get rekt in those areas.
Equip a ribbon on a monk? They just lost their defenses from levels and it goes to the equipment's.....which are ribbon and bracelets.....on par with wizards def.
So the choice is do I become a glass cannon vs magic or vs physical?

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:20:31 2017 No.4267408

>>4265339
You go ahead and play a party with more than one warrior and see what happens. Not being smarmy but you literally cannot put more than one in before costs get prohibitive AND you can only gear one of them up to the best equipment because the best shit is free and there's only one of it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:57:45 2017 No.4267457

>>4267408
>You go ahead and play a party with more than one warrior and see what happens.
I did and quickly ended up with far more money then I could spend.
A complete set of Mythril equipment (Mythril Axe + Mythril Mail + Mythril Shield + Mythril Helm + Mythril Gloves) costs 19500 together. Meanwhile every single spell in that city costs 20000 each.
Also when buying equipment you can sell your old stuff giving you some money back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:17:41 2017 No.4267480 >>4264463 I did the second one, it worked out just fine >thief is garbage reee every melee is garbage once you hit the damage cap. thief hits it quicker because more attack speed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:20:51 2017 No.4267483 >>4267457 On the NES version?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 08:51:00 2017 No.4267574 >>4267483 Seeing as the NES version doesn't have mythril equipment, clearly not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 08:52:46 2017 No.4267578 >>4267574 It just called silver there because shit translation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:19:08 2017 No.4267624 File: 98 KB, 486x454, 1-eye-a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fighter, Monk, Red Mage, Black Mage I'm all about balance and DPS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:22:27 2017 No.4267634 >>4267578 They didn't want to call it mithril to avoid getting sued by the Tolkien estate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:27:47 2017 No.4267641 >>4267634 And every single fucking user of it from Sega to Dungeons and Dragons weren't sued because...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:30:07 2017 No.4267645 >>4267641 DnD get into trouble with the estate and had to rename a lot of stuff to similar sounding things like mithral.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:36:23 2017 No.4267651 >>4267645 That was over hobbits

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:41:26 2017 No.4267653 >>4267578 No, you called it mythril because you're not playing the NES version. You're playing a remake, which means you're playing a version with double gold drops and cheaper store costs, completely invalidating your argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:44:41 2017 No.4267659 >>4267651 And ents and other things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:50:31 2017 No.4267668 >>4267653 The PS1 version has the same economy than the NES version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 10:22:49 2017 No.4267691 >>4264463 Warrior / thief / white mage / black mage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 10:41:12 2017 No.4267707 >>4267668 It still doubled the xp and gold rate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:24:22 2017 No.4267753 >>4264463 Nah, take the nuklear option and go Fighter/Black Mage/Thief/Redmage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:29:26 2017 No.4267758 >>4264463 FIGHTER FIGHTER FIGHTER FIGHTER DON'T BE A BITCH

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:34:31 2017 No.4267764 >>4267338 Should I use the manual or not use it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:11:29 2017 No.4267838 >>4267578 It's called silver because D&D would have sued the everloving shit out of Square if they hadn't changed a whole bunch of stuff. FFI is basically Temple of Elemental Evil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:35:42 2017 No.4268083 >>4267764 Unless you're new to RPGs, there's not much point in following its guide beyond spoiling yourself. It's handy for the spell list, though.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:54:38 2017 No.4268115

>>4267408
>You go ahead and play a party with more than one warrior and see what happens.

Is this a joke? I play with almost exclusively fighter parties. I always end up maxing out my gold counter long before I can finish the game. There's maybe one or two points in the game when I actually need to purchase a piece of equipment.

Clearly you know nothing about this game and should cease from further shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:56:51 2017 No.4268119 http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1631/ Fix the fucking game first, then pick whoever the fuck you want. The game's broke as fuck otherwise

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:58:05 2017 No.4268120

>>4267186
>If you want to handicap yourself simply pick thieves over other classes.

If you can survive abominations like the earth cave, then it's smooth sailing from there. Once you get the Defender sword, you can spam RUSE / Blink on the thief in your first character slot and soak up attacks. Not to mention the other abusable magic weapons, like the Bane sword.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:44:19 2017 No.4268372 >>4264463 Fighter/Thief/Red Mage/Black Mage

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:49:04 2017 No.4268383 >>4268119 In this game's case, the brokenness adds to the game's personality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 13:04:46 2017 No.4269990 Monk/Monk/Monk/Monk

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 14:05:45 2017 No.4270132 First party I ever used: fighter, thief, white mage, black mage thief/ninja is pointless if you have to choose between your 2 given options take the red mage. For a real challenge play 4 white mages

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 19:03:27 2017 No.4270728 >>4264463 Fighter and red mage are good. Monk, white mage, and black mage are alright. Thief is worthless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 22:26:07 2017 No.4271025 >>4270132 Not even a challenge, though, besides the pirates. Just very, very tedious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 22:36:00 2017 No.4271041 >>4270728 >thief is worthless Clearly, you've never used the class. Nothing is capable of doing more DPS in late game

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 23:04:25 2017 No.4271079

>>4264463
my first party is like fighter/BB/W.Mage/B.Mage but i placed my white mage at the second row since he oddly managed to get tons of health and soaks up damage like mad. the bb can survive better i the third row while dishing out absurd amounts of damage.

Magic damage gets outpaced by raw physical damage by the end however but still useful to wipe out mobs even by the end. mages reduce themselves to heals and buffs though

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 23:06:19 2017 No.4271085 >>4271079 *heals and buffs during boss fights

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 23:19:02 2017 No.4271103 >>4268383 no, not really. it's the setting and music that does all that, not the fact that INT does nothing and that using house only refills charges after you save, so if you quit right there and come back later, you get no magic back.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 01:09:46 2017 No.4271235

>>4271041
>Nothing is capable of doing more DPS in late game
You are aware that Bl.Belt/Master is capable of oneshotting Chaos? Or that Fighter/Knight shits on Thief/Ninja damage wise not to mention only taking 1 damage from everything through the entire game? Or that every class is able to equip Masmune, the best weapon in the game? I over 20 years experience with FF1, have used all the classes and I definitely haven't seen this late game DPS you are talking about unless it's something they have done with the endless remakes and ports of the game.

tl;dr: Thief is hands down the worst class and even if Ninja is actually good it's not worth handicapping yourself 2/3rds of the game with the Thief class.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:36:58 2017 No.4273605 >>4271041 Ninjas are decent, but knights are better in every way except for that they can't cast FAST. More importantly, to get a ninja you have to drag a worthless thief along with you up until the class change. Fighters are good right from the start.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 11:00:00 2017 No.4274051 >>4264463 fighter, monk, white mage, black mage

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