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4262612 No.4262612 [Reply] [Original]

who's the most at fault for the current state of retro gaming? ecelebs, resellers, or retro gaming hipster bandwagoners?

>> No.4262615

YOu

>> No.4262620

>>4262612
Unless you're playing only the exact same games you played when you were 8, you're the same as those "retro hipster bandwagoners".

>> No.4262628

What do you mean by the current state? At any rate, the "scene" is made up of the audience, especially its most outspoken members so probably the people you're referring to as hipster bandwagoners

>> No.4262634

What do you mean "at fault"? The current state of retro gaming is awesome, I have tons of games to play and loads of fun playing them.

>> No.4262641

>>4262612
what the flying hell are you talking about? Isn't retro gaming just playing old games? What does the '''culture''' and social status matter?

>> No.4262649

I like Metal Jesus. He always seems positive and cheerful.

>> No.4262654

People wanting to buy them

Which means all of us

>> No.4262695

people who think playing games is a scene

>> No.4262713

>>4262634
>>4262628
This.

The same thing has always happened since ever.
Something common for one generation becomes collectible later on life. Has always happened and always will. Toys, cars, bikes, furniture, if you look for it, there will be an youtube channel and a whole community behind almost anything.

People like saying that there's a retro gaming bubble. There's no fucking bubble.
This is how it goes for almost everything:
>thing is released
>a whole generation of kids love it
>the kids grow up
>realize how fucking awful life is as an adult
>try to find something that reminds them of their childhood
>it's expensive because most of them broke or stopped being produced
>becomes an expensive collectible
>prices skyrocket
>generation that worships it slowly dies
>prices decrease because everyone once interested is now dead
It works for most things, almost everything.
Not sure how it's gonna go for video games, I don't think the prices will ever get really low, just fluctuate. Like Coke products or old cars.

>> No.4262746

I have literally never encountered a retro gaming hipster bandwagoner in real life or on the internet, unless by "hipster bandwagoner" you mean a 20 something who wears a Zelda shirt and gushes about how much he likes the NES. But I don't even consider those guys to be "retro gaming hipster bandwagoners" really, just hipsters who think it's cool to like old Nintendo stuff. When I start seeing hipsters collect Japanese Saturn VNs solely for the hipster cred, THEN I'll agree that retro gaming is being invaded by bandwagoners. But I've never encountered anyone like that. No one cares about this autistic little corner of the internet that we have here.

>> No.4262750

>>4262612
I blame the people who still insist game systems that are over 15 years old aren't retro

>> No.4262761

>>4262750
Allowing discussion of 6th gen systems would push out discussion of older systems.

Also, I think it's a compelling argument to say that gaming started to undergo a qualitative shift in 6th gen, and it broke away from its earlier design philosophies. You can try to make this claim more precise by pointing to the emergence of more "cinematic" games, less arcade influence, more reliance on online play and DLC, etc. On this view, "retro" is more of an ethos than a window of time. I don't think this transformation was fully realized until 7th gen, but 6th gen is when things started to shift.

>> No.4262762

>>4262612
resellers will blame retro gaming hipsers ,
retro gaming hipsers will blame ecelebs,
ecelebs blame everyone but themself

>> No.4262769

>>4262612
/v crossposters.

>> No.4262776

>>4262761
>qualitative shift
More like two stick controllers became industry standart and thus, the controls and gameplay principles.

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>>4262769

>> No.4262787

>>4262612
>state of retro gaming
what's the problem, I can download a full romset of any system and play any retro game I want.

If you want to be some collectorfag retard you can buy most games way cheaper than their original retail price so no reason to complain either.

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>>4262612
There's a "current" state of retro gaming? Here I thought by definition it was playing games that are old. I am sure people buy and sell on ebay and elsewhere and there are many people besides myself getting into them. But if someone else is on the bandwagon for something I like then that's cool in my books.

I don't see any problem so it's hard to lay fault anywhere...

>> No.4262810

>>4262761
Yeah. This right here is the argument killing retro gaming.

You could argue that cinematic games started with CD consoles, and Eric Chahi games.
This doesn't push out older retro games it limits the discussion of older retro games by not letting you compare it to another generation.

>>4262776
Twinstick+gyroscope has been eroding it for a while now.

>> No.4262817

>>4262769
/thread

>> No.4262818

>>4262761
>>4262761
Not him but I see it as bringing in new people with fresh perspectives who may then gain an interest for earlier gens. Already no one cares about Atari topics around here.

As for the second point, I see those shifts happening continually all through gaming. There were many cinematic old games and there are many non-cinematic new ones. I see major shifts in every generation because gaming is always changing.

I think the whole board set up going by console release is kind of dumb though. It should go by games, and be 15 or 18 years in my opinion. Cave Story should be allowed here because it's ported on Genesis but not Circle of the Moon.

>> No.4262820

>>4262769
>>4262817

This is 4chan. If you want a community that's a little bubble, try Reddit, that's what it's set up for. If you want to come to 4chan, own your choice, don't whine about it.

>> No.4262821

>>4262713
What's really sad is the state of "antiques" which even as a term has fallen out of favor. We have an "antique mall" downtown which is basically just a four story flea market in an old building and the people that run it and the clientele are so so old that they're just slowly dying out and the value of that stuff is plummeting far below antiques roadshow levels. I actually buy antique stuff now and then over a modern alternative (e.g. my coffee mill) because they've become cheaper and are by nature proven to be extremely durable.

>> No.4262825

>>4262612
You are looking at things the wrong way.

I mostly emulate, although I've got a respectable enough collection ranging from the 2600 to the Dreamcast. I don't give a shit about playing on hardware at this point because for most games the difference is negligible. Obviously this isn't true for everything, but from where I'm standing whatever issues plague retro collecting don't really reach me.

I just beat Marathon Infinity and am moving on to Might and Magic: Secret of the Inner Sanctum for the NES. For me everything is fine.

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>>4262612
>who's the most at fault for the current state of retro gaming?
capitalism

>> No.4262830

>>4262821
The same thing might eventually happen to video games. I say might because when we're all dead, the generations who are growing up now will have a nostalgia for minecraft and other things. And if you ask most kids these days, having to "change cartridges" or having physical copies of games is a stupid idea.
So either it'll die out of lack of interest, or become even more expensive due to the historical interest, which I don't think will happen.

>> No.4262831

>>4262612

Kids who played video games grew up and have income to get every game that they could never get when they were a kid

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>>4262810
>cinematic games started with CD consoles

Way before that.

>> No.4262840

Retroarch the way it is and all important romsets available for download from archive.org - there was never a better time for retro gaming.

>> No.4262871

>>4262649
Him and Reggie make my day, I have to admit. The entire crew do, really.

>> No.4262916
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>>4262649
>>4262871
The state of this board holy shit.

>> No.4262946

>>4262612
Ecelebs. Retro games were cheaper until they came along.

>> No.4262964 [DELETED] 

>>4262916
kys my good man

>> No.4262974

>>4262830
Yeah I mean that was sort of my implicit point but I guess I didn't get around to it, also my consideration of the phenomenon of me going and buying antiques with no "nostalgia" associated and thinking about what elements of our hobby will stand the test of time and be actually objectively desirable in the far future or at least have "historical" significance which is definitely a part of why I will go and buy useful antiques.

>> No.4262990

Retro gaming is a pretty niche hobby. Just because some underage subscribes to AVGN for le epic maymays doesn't mean they're suddenly going to buy up huge quantities of overpriced NES cartridges. It's the resellers who are artificially driving up prices by hoarding their yard sale and craigslist finds. These guys buy dozens of copies of the same cartridges and just tuck them away in their basement until they can unload them on eBay. A quick eBay search of any game will turn up listings with multiple quantities.

>> No.4263156

>>4262612
All of the above plus anyone who's playing retro games but isn't a hipster bandwagoner, or anyone who's even talking about retro games . Lets face it, everyone of us regardless of what category we fit in, is having an impact on the landscape of retro gaming, even if it is minuscule. Fault falls on all of us as well.

>> No.4263182

>>4262836
>>4262810
I don't know what "cinematic" means the post.

>> No.4263273

>>4262649
He's a super friendly idiot. He's a hoarder who knows almost nothing about his games. Good entertainer, but terrible information.

>> No.4263275

>>4262820
4chan is a hell of a lot more insulated than Reddit. Boards here (mostly) keep to themselves, whereas subreddits tend to group into 'networks' that all share users, mods, and memes.

>> No.4263282

>>4262916
>multiple people praising normie-tier ecelebs
/vr/ is kill

>> No.4263309

>>4262641
t. non retro gamer

if anything, the culture is just as important. You're not even a real retro gamer unless you go to a con and collect the merch

>> No.4263317

>>4262612
Thinking back, ecelebs pretty much started it back in the day especially with the rise of the AVGN back around 2006.

>> No.4263320

>>4263309
>t. non retro gamer
The irony of this post and this thread.

>> No.4263332

>>4263320
what are the chances that you're an edgy millenial pretending that you grew up on retro and why is it one hundred percent?

>> No.4263339

>>4263332
That means a lot coming from the anon with his gen z memes.

>> No.4263340

Super Smash Bros. I'm not joking.

>> No.4263348

People who spend more time talking about/watching videos about/making shitty videos about retro games than they do actually fucking playing them.

>> No.4263350

>>4263340
Change that to melee and extend that to 6th gen in general.

>> No.4263376

>>4262620
i still play the games i played when i was 8. i play a lot of additional "retro games" now though, but this is just a case of me playing all the games i read about in my video game magazines but never got around to play when i was a kid. ive also been doing this, going back to play games i never got to play, for like 20 years (since i was 11 and discovered emulation)
am i a retro hipster bandwagoner?

>> No.4263381

>>4263275
The point still is, coming to this place expecting it not to be like 4chan is a foolish thing to do. /v and /vr really aren't very different and are both fundamentally 4chan. Coming to /vr/ and hoping to escape people from /v/ will never work and only makes you look like you stumbled onto the wrong site.

>> No.4263385

>>4263376
>am i a retro hipster bandwagoner?
Depending on how broad the definition is, certainly. Many if the people labeled that by others are in similar boats. It's only a bad thing to be labeled if you decide it's bad though.

>> No.4263404

>>4263381

This place used to be a lot better years ago.

>> No.4263412

>>4263404
I think 4chan as a whole was a lot better when it was less popular, part of why I still miss the text boards so much, but such is life. It's the format that makes it what it is and why I come here. So it doesn't really bother me.

>> No.4263423

>>4263309
Hahaha kore wa beito desu.

>> No.4263424

>>4263309

AHAHAHA what a poser

>> No.4263437

>>4262612
bandwagoners.

If an eceleb covers a game, you can emulate it.

If a reseller wants 400 dollars for earthbound, you're free to ignore it.

Hipsters pay the prices that resellers want because they see ecelebs cover the games. Which causes others to raise their price.

I'm basically done collecting. All I care about now is hardware.

>> No.4263438

>>4263381
people told me to go back to /v/ all the time when I first started posting here but I never posted on /v/ before I had just been on 4chan from around 2006-2009 and then quit for a couple years and came back when this board was first made. I decided to go post on /v/ one day to talk about more modern stuff or even find people to play with for retro. I don't know what all the redditbabbies problem is because /v/ is a pretty nice place sure there is a lot of shitposting threads and stupid waifu crap but if you like a game and make a quality thread you can usually have quality discussion. Also /v/ isn't so massively autistic they wont play games with anyone else because I have found coop partners for Doom, Hexen, and even blood which is a pain in the ass to set up on /v/. I had a really good thread about enemy territory quake wars too that was all quality discussion. /v/ just seems to be a scapegoat for sensitive redditors who need something to blame when this board happens to be just like the others on 4chan.

>> No.4263452

>>4263438
Have you considered you're just a modern gamer that found the company of other modern gamers?
Good luck discussing real video game history on /v/.
>>4263381
This goes again't what 4chan was created for. It's why we have separate boards. Og Moot didn't want to censor peaple so the hope was giving the cancer a place to go would save a board. And it worked for a time. Or you just had large communities grow up in a board and they form a new board for them. Like /jp/.

>> No.4263474

>>4263452
if you want to discuss that type of thing make a thread for that type of thing, don't go to /v/ looking for something and then be upset someone else didn't make that thread for you. But lets assume they don't talk about that, at least they will go coop with you and who knows might have some more fans for retro games. I don't really consider myself modern or retro I do play a lot more retro games than modern ones but I don't hate all modern games like some people here.

>> No.4263479

>>4263474
>don't go to /v/ looking for something
Like video games. Because they don't know fuck all. It's just a modern gamer thing.

>> No.4263490

>>4263479
no I mean don't go to look for anything specific unless its the flavor of the week. If you want to have discussion you make discussion. As I said I had an excellent thread on quake wars the other week and it really left a positive impression of /v/ on me. It's basically just /b/ for gamers

>> No.4263493

>>4263452
You don't understand 4chan at all

>> No.4263496

>>4262649

Ive never watched one his videos but I saw him at a crappy game store I live next to.

>> No.4263503

>>4263490
I disagree. It is modern gamer almost exclusively.
>>4263493
Dang

>> No.4263556

>>4263503
funny how I got someone to play blood with me and that game is a pain in the ass to get set up and play online. Also had some bros play hexen with me too Its not as bad as you think

>> No.4263568

>>4262830
Video game collecting, as in cartidge and CDs, will stop in the next 15 years due to unavoidable rotting. Only autistic big box PC gamers will survive this purge.

>> No.4263574

>>4263556
Birds of a feather flock together

>> No.4263582

>>4263568
>Cartridges
>Rotting in 15 years

Nah, that shit will happen eventually but not anytime soon.

>> No.4263587

>>4263412
Yet /v/ has been know as one of the worst boards since forever.

>> No.4263639

HIDDEN

>> No.4263643

>>4263587
by thin skinned autistic children who cant see through 10 layers of irony maybe

>> No.4263645

GEMS

>> No.4263646

>>4263587
You need to spread you 4chan wings a little, /v is rowdy but not the 'worst' by far. Worst in quotes for thise tho think 4chan being 4chan is bad.

>> No.4263682

>>4263646
jp is the worst because weebs are the worst. Not the ones that watch anime and call themselves weebs cause they like Japanese stuff they are pretty bad but the worst are the fags who are under the impression that Japan is like an anime and all the other wacky shit we see come out of there and that they will go live there and make a living teaching English and drawing anime. I am pretty sure everybody had one of those fags in their class.

>> No.4263692

>>4263682
You're a complete retard if you come here an unironically bitch about 'weebs'

>> No.4263701

>>4262974
You're a fucking loser living in the past, just because crts and pvms will last doesn't mean your retarded ass coffee grinder. Tripfags are the leading cancer in this hobby

>> No.4263705

>>4263701
Lol

>> No.4263718

There are just too many people in their late 20's, 30's, and 40's who are severely depressed and remember all the fun they had when they were kids and teenagers with all the time in the world to play video games. Even if school sucked for them or even if their family life wasn't great, video games provided an escape from all the bullshit and also was a way for friends to have fun when the weather sucked.

After life has kicked their ass for about a decade or so, and the pills and therapy are barely keeping them from suicide, people remember the fun they had with Mario 3 when they were 8 years old and go out and collect a bunch of retro games and systems.

They play them for a few days, maybe a few weeks and while they are happy for a little bit, the nostalgia wears off and they are still left with a depressing existence that is just too strong and not nearly enough time to play time-sink video games.

That's why we have liquor and drugs.

>> No.4263725

>>4263692
you're a complete retard for using "unironically" and there is a difference between having a healthy interest in something and being a socially autistic weeaboo who goes to scream NYAH at anime conventions. Weebs are fucking try hards they create this persona of knowing everything about japan when really they know some stupid pop culture factoids. You are offended because you're a fuckin weeb aren't you. Weebs are too fucking stupid to know what western games happen to be better than Japanese ones cause they have never played a western game

>> No.4263728

>>4263718
>There are just too many people in their late 20's, 30's, and 40's who are severely depressed and remember all the fun they had when they were kids and teenagers with all the time in the world to play video games.
You're right and wrong. You're right about the depressed and felling sad bit. Video games were never huge in the 80s/90s. The amount of players are dwarfed compared to today.

Now if they're just hopping on the bandwagon that would be basically the same thing your saying. They're trying to recreate a happy time with something they never had though.

>> No.4263841

>>4262612
Capitalism.

>> No.4263846

>>4263404
No it wasn't. /vr/ has always had shitposting problems it's just easy to forget the retarded shit that used to be spammed nonstop like bsnes vs zsnes or filter threads.

>> No.4263852

>>4263846
Why do people like you post blatant lies? Are you just jealous you missed out or frustrated and shitposting. There's an archive that anyone can look at.

>> No.4263857

>>4263725
Lol. You're missing the point bigtime there Try looking up how the term got to be used the way it is maybe you'll get a bit of a clue.

>> No.4263864

>>4263852
>blatant lies
You're delusional if you think those never happened along with retron 5 threads and about a year ago that guy spamming /org/ with an image of Metal Gear Solid. /vr/ has always had lots shitposting.

>> No.4263867

>>4263864
This place is already than a year.

>> No.4263869

>>4263846

The filter threads are unfortunately still shitposted. I see one on the first page now.

And don't forget Retron, Retroarch and GPD shills. They try to shitpost down anyone who doesn't suck their dicks.

>> No.4263878

>>4263869
It's such a shame 4chan isn't here just to be your special friend who only wants to talk about what you want to talk about. Life must be so hard for you, you poor thing.

>> No.4263886

>>4263878

Pretty sure you replied to the wrong anon, because that had no contextual relation to the post you're responding to.

>> No.4263893

>>4263886
No I got it right on the money

>> No.4263920

>>4263701
It's a mill

>> No.4263931

All i ever hear now is "you can't find anything anymore not like 2008 all the fleamarkets are dead"

>> No.4263946

>>4262612
People bitch about anyone who emulates 20+ year old games, but, those very same people fail to mention that THEY are the ones who have ruined retro gaming.

It's not like the developers are getting any money for the ridiculous price of retro games.
The only people to blame are the ones who cry "muh physical gayms"

>> No.4263956

It's a cluster of all of the problems you mentioned. Ecelebs pretty much turn on bandwagoners to get some game they say is good, prices go up, and there's always the dumb resellers who will just get it only to sell it immediately. If an ecelebrity says something great about a game and you want to play it, just get a fucking flash cart and play it through that, because you just know that the second they mention it, the price will increase by tenfold

>> No.4263959

>>4263920
kek

>> No.4263970

>>4263956
You could just as well say that knowledgeable gamers turn people onto things they may otherwise have missed. Same thing but not seen negatively. I went to emulating years ago though so to me more people into the hobby is better

>> No.4263972

>>4263273
Wouldn't even say he a good entertainer unless you love it when he fucks up all the time, then I agree.

>> No.4263975

>>4262612
All of the above.

>> No.4263982

>>4263423
T. Virgin

Holy fuck, get a life, you fucking loser.
I can smell you from here.

>> No.4263984

>>4262612
All of the above.

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>>4262612
Hipsters who are ecelebs and also resellers. The people who are just one are bad too.

>> No.4264031

>>4262713
Pedal cars are an example. Look at older people buy them up even though they can't ride in them. Hoping grandkids use them or just wanting what they weren't able to have as kids.

Across all retro systems I only owned about 6 per system while they were new. I hit up garage sales after others moved on. That said I buy more retro today than back then. I'm an adult with a job, so more money to spend on fun. Sure I wish prices were what they were when I was a poorfag but
Times change. If people can't afford retro, move on to ps2 and ps3 before they rise in price in 15 years.

>> No.4264071

>>4264031
>Pedal cars are an example.
How's that? The kids that did have them are long dead buy now.

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Old people who think their shit is worth its weight in gold, and refuse to sell it even at eBay value becaue they "know its worth a lot of money!" So they fucking sit on it.

In one of my local Facebook groups, some lady was selling an NES with about 15 games for $85, and fossil commented and said "Why so cheap?! That's worth a lot of money!"

Even scalpers and resellers give up games for less than these fucks.

I used to work at a pawn shop, and I had to deal with this shit on a daily bases. Like, no, your Rachel Ray DVD box set is not worth $300, Deloris.

>> No.4264149

>>4263993
lol at that bag...

>> No.4264210

>>4264071
well, I guess I'm still thinking it's late 90s or early 2000s. You're right, but they were the big thing older people bought then. They either had one or were too poor to have one and bought one and fixed it up when older (or bought already restored). Same with games, either they play them (have kids/grandkids play them) or look at them lined up on a shelf.

>> No.4264218

>>4264210
You're also talking about a time when price guides and your local area determined the rarity and value of something.

It's a minority of people that actually played games in the 80s/90s that are collecting them now.

>> No.4264237

>>4262612
Bandwagoners. The others are cancer but at the end of the day if it wasn't for bandwagoners it would be just like it was 10-20 years ago.

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>> No.4264247

>>4263682
That's not even remotely close to what /jp/ was ever like, they talk about niche Japanese pop culture and almost nothing else

>> No.4264275

>>4263309
>You're not even a real retro gamer unless you go to a con and collect the merch
Actually that just makes you a faggot.

>> No.4264303

>>4263931
I've been selling and buying at the flea market for 20 years and yeah alot does get bought up as nd resold at higher prices now but you can still find great stuff cheap, you have to apply yourself and GO FUCKING LOOK

>> No.4264310

>>4263993
> resellers are scum

When I find games at the thrift shop or flea market for a dollar and it's worth 50 what am I supposed to do, NOT buy it and make a profit?

>> No.4264372

>>4264310

I found Earthbound for $5. I bought it, and gave it away for free to a friend that loves Turnbased RPGs, as I already owned a copy.


So yeah, not being a cunt is pretty easy desu

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>> No.4264390

>>4264218
>It's a minority of people that actually played games in the 80s/90s that are collecting them now.

This is true. Most of the people who played games in the 80's and 90's are playing current games now.

>> No.4264421

Why can't I just enjoy video games I never played before? What's with the name calling? How is it a bad thing?

>> No.4264432

>>4264421
Depends on the intention. A bandwagoner for example is just playing old games because they're currently cool.

>> No.4264439

>>4264421
>Why can't I just enjoy video games I never played before?
Because some people are wildly insecure and consider anyone who does something differently than the way they do to be an affront to their personal life choices.

>> No.4264441

>>4264432
what kind of moron thinks playing children's games is cool

>> No.4264445

>>4264421
>Why can't I just enjoy video games I never played before?

Go for it. But people get understandably upset when anyone supports overpriced resellers like so many newbies do. You don't *have* to pay fifty bucks for someone's beat up old NES cartridge, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. In most cases, there's a good chance you'll eventually stumble across the game at a fair price when if you persistently go thrifting. For things you'll probably never come across, there's always emulation or Flash carts or repro carts from Chinese sellers

>> No.4264448

>>4263643
>>4263646
>/v/irgins can't into self awareness

>> No.4264458

>>4264439
The correct answer.

>> No.4264478

>>4264448
How did you miss the point that badly?

>> No.4264969

Mask roms will survive thousands of years. I think in general prices will drop soon. Sought after games will increase even further.

>> No.4264986

"The current state of retro gaming" is a bunch of retards not understanding how market economies work and being mad because old games have increased in demand due to their limited shelf life and dwindling supply. They express this rage by complaining about normal people buying games and how they shouldn't be doing it so the Real Gamers can have a better chance of getting them. It must be a sad existence.

>> No.4265276

>>4264390

>It's a minority of people that actually played games in the 80s/90s that are collecting them now.

I definitely agree. Video games are more popular than ever. Limited supply of cartridges/discs. Every gamer from back in the day, and every new gamer interested in "retro" makes the prices go up. It sucks but I don't see it changing soon.

I also think "buy it now" on ebay did a lot of it. BIN is for someone that wants a game right now and doesn't mind if they pay a lot over average price. The trouble is, other sellers see a $10 game go for $20 BIN, so they expect $20 for their copy. The price average raises with each game sold, then some joker from a local flea market puts "ebay" prices on their dusty cartridges and copies of double dribble.

I've invested in good flashcarts. I still pick up a game I don't have if it's decent and I find it for a good price locally. Anymore I mainly buy games I had or rented and liked when I was a kid. I don't need a game because it's rare, or to make my shelves look full. Obviously I will buy good games I've learned about and want to try. Flashcarts help me to not waste money on games that end up being huge turds.

I think a lot of people, myself included, have/had the most problem with prices because they try to buy everything they find.

>> No.4265283

>>4264439
point
>your head

back to your hugbox

>> No.4265289

>>4264421

Because poorfags are jealous. That or they have money and are pissed they have to compete with other buyers and can't pick it up for a song anymore. Enjoy the games, fuck the collectorfags. This comes from someone with close to 200 games (much more if counting atari 2600) and a lot of different systems.

Collectorfags have the mentaility they have to collect them all. This ain't pokemon kids, this shit costs real money. It's a fools game to try to get complete sets now. Quality flashcarts and roms on real hardware.

>> No.4265298

>>4265289
This.

I have never understood this compulsive need to fill your house with thousands of rotting pieces of plastic. What really disturbs me is that they usually don't even play them, not even once. I can't tell you how many times I hear one of these faggots say "OH MAN THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT GAME, I BOUGHT IT A FEW YEARS AGO, MAYBE I SHOULD TRY IT". What the fuck is the point in buying something you won't play? I buy retro games, but only ones that I think actually look fun and will give me value for my money. The minute someone tells me they own hundreds or thousands of shit games they have no intention of playing, I walk the other way.

>> No.4265309

>>4264986
>dwindling supply
Except that's not how the retro market works at all. You're arguing that an increasingly large number of people are taking an interest in owning retro hardware and games, thereby decreasing supplies. It's mostly (but maybe not exclusively) people who grew up in those generations who insist on owning retro hardware. Younger folks are more likely to play emulated collections or ports. Given the number of devices that can do this - including smartphones - it's just a lot easier to experience classic gaming this way than it is to sink hundreds of dollars into a retro hardware setup.

>bunch of retards
Oh, right. You're a troll. Sorry I wasted my time replying.

>> No.4265316

>>4263376
thanks for single handedly ruining video games. I hope you're happy.

>> No.4265329

>>4265316

Unlike you, he's a guy who plays games.

>> No.4265348

>>4262612
I've really tried to hate Metal Jesus since he's so smug and happy all the time, but I just can't do it. Seems like a cool guy. Am I to blame?

>> No.4265364

>>4265309
Not him but it's dwindling supplies because every day people buy games they never plan on reselling. So inevitably as time goes on the number of copies of a particular game on the open market gets lower and lower.

Certainly younger folks are more likely to emulate, though older folks tend to emulate a lot as well. It really doesn't matter though, since there will always be collectors in both camps who will want to own the original for any number of reasons. That's what created the supply and demand loop and pushes prices up.

>> No.4265382

>>4265309
>You're arguing that an increasingly large number of people are taking an interest in owning retro hardware and games

And he's right when he claims that. In previous years, the people doing this would want to do it, but didn't have the money.

When you reach your 30s, you're going to realize that you just have money to burn, unless you have kids.

The number of people willing to buy is much higher than ten years ago.

>> No.4265393

>>4265364
>That's what created the supply and demand loop and pushes prices up.

No, it's resellers who are driving prices up, and artificially so. They buy multiple instances of the same games and tuck them away in their basements while they try to unload their stock through eBay or other auction sites. Because they've successfully hoarded so many cartridges, they figure they can use this artificial scarcity to their advantage by driving up prices.

>> No.4265405

>>4265393
That's still basic supply and demand and happens with most commodities. Sorry you don't like the free market, but it's the way of things.

>> No.4265408

>>4265382
>The number of people willing to buy is much higher than ten years ago.

No, and that's not even the point that was being made. Resellers obtain their stocks through flea markets and yard sales where games are not necessarily prices competitively. And failing that, they advertise on craiglist for anybody to sell their used games in large quantities, but only if they don't have to pay competitive prices for those stocks. Then they turn around and relist these stocks on eBay at 5000+% markup. This practice is what drives up the value of these items, and it's entirely artificial in its execution.

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>>4265393

That's not what artificial scarcity is.

There are a limited number of produced games. There will be no more production of those games except for versions with ridiculously jacked prices, like that new SF2 collector's release.

The fact that resellers are buying stock in it is proof that the limited supply creates scarcity. There'd be no reason to resell something with no scarcity.

>> No.4265416

>>4265408

Yes, and that is the point. You're the exact example of what >>4264986 is talking about.

>> No.4265421

>>4265405

The supply is not and never was limited, except in cases of games that had limited publishing runs. Having dozens of copies of the same game tucked away in your basement does not mean that said game is rare, and is therefore worth whatever the equivalent of U.S. gold. You're quite literally scamming people.

>> No.4265424

>>4265421

No, stop, you don't understand economics.

You don't have a right to own anything for free.

>> No.4265425

>>4265412
>There will be no more production of those games

But for the millions of copies of those games that were produced, there isn't necessarily an equivalent number of people who want to own said games in physical form. Did you read the part about retro gaming being a niche hobby?

>> No.4265428

>>4265425

What millions? The ones in garbage dumbs or grandma's basement?

Irrelevant. Food lying on the dirt in god knows where doesn't lower the price of food at the grocery store.

God you are fucking stupid, I'm done.

>> No.4265434

>>4265424
>You don't have a right to own anything for free.

Way to strawman. No one in this thread made any such argument.

>> No.4265452

>>4265434

Yes you (you, by the way, it's just you) did. It's implicit in your argument. You'd realize why you're wrong if you didn't just expect games for nothing.

>> No.4265465

>>4265421
The supply of everything physical is limited. Even when there are thousands it's still limited.

This is really pretty bare bones basic stuff, if it's this confusing and upsetting I really can't help you.

>> No.4265472

>>4262612
What do u mean by "the current state of retro gaming"?

>> No.4265473

>>4262641
OP belives retro gaming is a scene in itself, but he's totally different to all the other hipsters who think it's a scene.

It's status matters to him because now it's popular and all these kids and hipsters have jumped on the bandwagon, he can't afford to jump on himself.

>> No.4265479

>>4263282
>Normie-tier e-celebs
Have you even watched one of his videos? He's a robot that managed to get a wife.

>> No.4265484

Don't forget the guys on nintendoage who manipulated the prices over the years

>> No.4265498

>>4265472
It's a question by a literal retard. Don't put too much energy into it.

>> No.4265523

The reality is that if you are buying and selling games with the purpose if turning a profit, it would be poor business management to not try to raise their value over time.

>> No.4265530

>>4265523

That's true of all business period.

>> No.4265549

>>4265530
That's exactly my point. The people whining about the retro game market don't have a clue and come off sounding like entitled children.

>> No.4265620

Honestly, I think it was the rise of original hardware on crt group. It went from fun throwback to hipster elitism, ala vynel records, extremely quickly.

Nerd elitism in general has been on the rise in the last decade. Especially since nerd culture in general has become less niche.

"Special secret club" mentality is at an all time high. People love to follow trends and make themselves feel like they are superior to others.

>> No.4265629

>>4263970
The thing that bugs me about that other post you replied to, is that without people putting attention on games like Bloodlines or Arcanum, or niche NES/SNES/etc games, some of them may not have achieved cult status as they do now.

Take Fallout for example. Sure, it had a rabid fanbase, but it was small. It straight never sold well, but without the exposure that older gamers juxtaposed for the classic games against the mobs of Bethesdrones exclaiming the greatness of modern Fallout, a lot of people wouldn't have come to the realization of just how half-assed Bethout actually IS.

>> No.4265635

>>4263993
Pretty sure the Game Chasers are old enough to have experienced NES/SNES/etc. If you're looking for a better example, maybe try Ian.

>> No.4265638

>>4265629
That's why even though I don't watch youtube gaming vids, I'm glad tbey exist to expose potential gamers to things they otherwise may have missed out on.

>> No.4265682

>>4265620
>he doesnt do original hardware on CRT
Why not

>> No.4265684

>>4265620
>ala vynel records

Records have never gone up in price, the only thing that's happened in recent years is that labels are putting out bigger orders of new releases or reissuing older ones.

>> No.4266540

>>4263893
No you didn't.

>> No.4266890

>>4266540
We both know I did though. You whiners are all alike.

>> No.4266938

>>4262612
E-Celebs may be a small part of the problem, but in the end, they are nowhere near the root of the problem.
>But After AVGN/Pat/Other Eceleb posts a video on a game, prices go up!
This seems to just be fanbases drooling and buying whatever e-celebs bring attention to. Even the bad games that AVGN have played have been known to go up in value sometimes after he plays them. It's not so much the Person themselves that is the problem, it's more their fans running out to buy whatever they say is good, or even games that aren't good, just because they played them.

Another thing i hear is that the game collecting videos on youtube have caused prices to go up.
This, i'm kind of mixed on. While i'm sure that making videos on someone getting earthbound for $10 will certainly bring attention to people, I think it's more News websites. People hear about Nintendo world championships or Little Samson selling for tons of money and think "Wow, I Bet my copy of maddens NBA allstars 2003 is worth a lot too!" It reminds me a lot of the Disney Black Diamond VHS article that said that they were worth thousands of dollars. People are delusional and refuse to believe what they don't want to believe, or hear about another (much rarer) game selling for a lot of money, and think that whatever they have must be a goldmine. Honestly, i think the articles and videos about rare video games and valuable video games and games selling for hundreds of dollars are what are causing people to raise their prices the most, more than anything else.
In the end, the reason prices are going up is simply because of exposure. People nowadays can easily lookup whatever they have, and know if it's rare or valuable. A couple years ago, that wasn't as mainstream.

>> No.4266962

>>4262713
This post is best post and is /thread

This same thing happened with:
Dukes of Hazard stuff
Elvis Stuff
Baseball Cards
GI Joe stuff

Used to go for much more than now, but the people who grew up with this stuff originally has gotten old and looking to just get rid of the stuff because they're downsizing or moving. Or they're dead. Most people who didn't grow up with this stuff don't care about it much and won't pay much for it. Same will happen with the games we grew up with. It's mostly just people in our age rage who want this stuff.

My young cousins don't care one bit about anything pre PS2. To them they're just old games. I have one younger cousin who likes 16 and 32 bit era games but just emulates on his laptop for free. If paying money is what it took to play these games he probably wouldn't bother.

A question I keep seeing here is what will happen to your collection when you die? Answer: it'll just end up in the trash. Or your grand kid will pawn it for weed money.

>> No.4266998

>>4266962
Don't get me started on Baseball cards. Fortunately, I sold mine for a few hundred before the market went belly up.

>> No.4267323

>>4266890
No you didn't.

>> No.4267514
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>>4262612
Retro gaming is at the best state it's ever been. We now have more tools available than ever to enjoy games that aren't newshit in ways we would have never thought possible at the time of release. We have more access than we ever have to seeing and hearing others discuss and play said games. More is freely available than ever before, with more and more games becoming freeware as they age.

Maybe you're just a curmudgeon who hates seeing others have fun.

>> No.4267552

I have a question to all the hardware guys. Is the lag in emulators that much noticeable compared to HW? I have a PS1 and it running a game on a CRT vs running it on a LCD monitor on PS3 or my laptop seems to be identical. I know there HAS to be lag by the nature of emulation, but I can't see shit.

>> No.4267571

>>4267323
Lol

>> No.4267580

>>4267552
Even by PS1 there was more lag in real hardware with most games. If you're not playing an action game you won't notice at all and if you go right from like Mega Man 8 even on real Playstation to Mega Man 2 on real NES+CRT you'll probably notice a difference. Once you train your brain to recognize the different "feel" of different setups is lag/delay you'll notice it in a lot more games. It can be a curse if you're obsessive and/or a pissing contest type "srs gmr"

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>>4263438
a guide to quality discussion on /v/

>i like game, can we talk about it? 404 with 3 replies, 2 of wich from the OP trying to bump the thread
wrong

>this game is shit and those who bought it are retards/weebs/redditors/sjws/degenerates, let's laugh at them 500 replies and 300 images omitted click here to view
right

>> No.4268140

>>4268109
Thats pretty much the only way to get (you)s on 4chan

See:>>4263309

/vr/ is no better than /v/, its just slower

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>tfw ywn drunkenly blow into Kelseys ear and later get cuck'd by Reggies massive PSX rare hidden gems collection.

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>>4268154
The Absolute Madman! Even 8BB Strut That Ass

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we memes now son gotta get them views

>> No.4268376

>>4268109
Advice from a confirmed reddit troll

>> No.4268531

>>4267571
lel

>> No.4268550

>>4263993
kek'd at the bag

>> No.4268568

>>4262750
Ps2 gen has no business here and never ever will. Fuck off.

>> No.4268582

>>4263993
Hey. Luna is a pretty decent store. Got Mega Man 1 for 35 bucks.

>> No.4268593

>>4262820
>He thinks crosboarding will enrich board culture.

Just look at /lit/ and /jp/

>> No.4268595
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4268595

If you have ever resold a game, kill yorself. Let me make something extremely fucking clear to you bandwagoning hipster fucking cocksuckers. Under 35? DONT UCKING THINK FOR A SECOND THAT YOU LIKE THE NES. YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE IT FUCKER. Were you there? No. Go die in a fucking fire asshole these games are only allowed to be played by us.

>B-but i was born with it in my house

Its not my fault your parents were poorfag fucking trash you stupid nigger. Go play PS2 or something like you deserve.

We need to MAKE SURE that ONLY people that were playing these games when they were new are in posession of these games. Resellers and bandwagoning hipster pieces of subhuman trash need their games forcibly fucking removed from their posession and redistributed among actual retro gamers.

If this post makes you mad YOU are part of the cancer killing this scene.

See this shit in the pic? If you have EVER done this you are also subhuman and need to be castrated.

>> No.4268637

>>4268595
Wow this actually isn't a copypasta I'm impressed.

>> No.4268726

No doubt it's youtube as a whole. It really enticed the obnoxious people into the hobby. Shit, some trog sat a few tables over from me in a restaurant BLARING James and Mike Mondays on his phone. It was so loud that I genuinely wonder if he modified his phone to be louder.

>> No.4268732

>>4268726
Sorry kiddo but you're not a REAL retro gamer if you don't watch James and Mike Mondays everywhere you go.

>> No.4268751

>>4268595
Ahh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Saved

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>>4268595

>> No.4269212

>>4262787
This. People like Pat the NES punk are just pathetic hoarders, same mentality as coupon clippers. Startropics is like seven dollars. DW3 Is priced at the same as a modern jrpg but is much better, most other NES games aside from super rare stuff are $30 and under. Obsessing over deals is in itsef a separate thing altogether from buying and playing retro games. Autists like Pat ruin it by focusing super hard on deals and artificially inflating shit, hes also bad at sex

>> No.4269218

>>4263437
this.
I've been doing the same thing. Consoles and accessories are the way to go if you want to collect something, especially light guns

>> No.4269535

>>4262612
All of them.

/thread

>> No.4269569

>>4269185
a nipple!!! a nipple!!! reeeeee!!! moooooods

>> No.4269749

>>4269185
sauce?

>> No.4269768

>>4262612
Collectors are mostly idiots in my country. Buy shit tons and never play it, most are late 20's, early 30's with kids and jobs, so they never get time to play. Shit is retarded. And most of them huge on nintendo for some reason, which i find odd cos it wasnt popular here till the wii.

>> No.4269879

>>4263182
Erm. Those are plently cinematic. Ninja Gaiden on nes had cinematic parts too.

>> No.4269882

>>4269749
Donatello

>> No.4269891

>>4264031
>ps2 and ps3
Ps2 is already retro in most circles and plently of games are exceeding retail prices. Ps360 are cheap as fuck tho

>> No.4269960

>>4263182
What definition are you using?

>> No.4270015

>>4262649
He seems too happy to be real. People aren't like that in real lofe, there for I don't trust him

>> No.4270026

>>4270015
Whaaat? There are tons of people like that.

>> No.4270209

>>4262612
Pat "Muh Repros" Contri.

>> No.4270241

>>4262612
retro gamers not even play games

>> No.4270749

>>4263437
I have yet to run into proof that these dreaded hipsters actually exist.

>> No.4270757

>>4262649
He seems like a lovely lad. Nothing but good vibes.

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>>4270749
>GBA & GAMECUBE are retro reee
you must not live in a large urban shithole city full of assholes.

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>>4270807

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>>4270817

>> No.4270827

>>4270807
I'm the guy who wrote >>4262746 and while I would consider the girl in that picture to be a hipster of SOME kind, I don't think she's the kind of hipster who is "ruining retro gaming". Why do I care if people want to sperg out over the absolute most popular games on the most popular consoles? She almost certainly doesn't care enough about retro games (or any kind of games) to drive up prices or drag down the quality of retro communities. So what's the problem? Unless you're so poor that having to pay anything more than $10 for Pokemon Emerald is a great injury to you.

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>>4270823

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>>4270827
It inflates the entire market. Sure they probably wont buy import Sega Saturn games but those have been expensive forever.The more popular it gets with fake nerd culture all prices will go up with demand.

>> No.4270849

>>4270823
sick furby necklace

>> No.4270872

>>4270828
I'll never understand what drives someone to fuck up their ears like that.

>> No.4270910

>>4262649
He has lots of money but knows nothing about what he has.

>> No.4270914

>>4262649
I'd be happy too if I got to make a living off of just reading the back of a video game box and then seeing the dosh roll in after I list it on ebay.

>> No.4271038

I've always wondered if the hipsters like those posted here actually play retro games or if they're just fashion contrarians (read: faggots).

...or if they're really just regulars here

>> No.4271528

>the current state of retro gaming

The current state of retro gaming, for somebody who actually cares about the games, is the same as it's ever been, except a little older. The crap OP is talking about is something else. It sounds like it's actually two other things, from what I can see: The current state of retro game COLLECTING, and the current state of those aspects of online culture that touch on retro gaming.

Neither of these things matters much. Collecting is important for historians and such, but those people seem to be doing their job well enough, and only a few of them are really strongly needed. For the rest of us, it's mostly a stupid pointless lifesink that a person shouldn't be engaging in to begin with. Getting physical copies of a few games isn't that hard, even when prices are driven up by whoever, and you don't need more than a few. Emulation is pretty great, flash drives and burned CDs and such can fill another gap, and true collecting of the sort that would drive a person to salivate over the NES World Championship cartridge is pointless madness.

And the online culture of retro gaming is and was disposable fluff, no matter which celebrities, "hipsters", or other undesirables may be involved in it at any given moment. It is flawed yes, but it always was, and it would need to be built into something much greater than it's ever been in order to merit having a bunch of people crying over it and trying to protect it from corruption. The games themselves are mostly single-player to begin with, and those that aren't can still mostly be played to their fullest by no more than four people at a time. They don't rely on any broad culture to be fully exercised.

A retro gamer doesn't need the current state of anything to be in good shape, excepting a few games, a few gaming platforms, MAYBE a few friendships, and a pair of hands.