/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4239434]

Reminder that Mega Man Legends came out a whole year before Ocarine Of Time.

[Anonymous No.4239441]

>>4239434
And while it had a very nice artstyle for its time the gameplay definitely has not held up. Ocarina of Time controlled so much better.

[Anonymous No.4239443]

Reminder that Mystical Ninja starring Goemon came out before both Legends and OOT.

[Anonymous No.4239448]

>>4239434
>>4239443
Say what mothefuckers?

[Anonymous No.4239476]

>>4239448
>>4239443
>>4239441
>>4239434
What was that, sweeties? ;)

[Anonymous No.4239512]

>>4239434
It looks good, remains me of Wind Waker. I'd like to read a graphic technical analysis of this game

[Anonymous No.4239514]

>>4239434
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.4239515]

>>4239434
Reminder that this is how Mega Man Legends when you take away emulation and play it on a real PS1 console.

[Anonymous No.4239516]

>>4239512
>In a world covered by ENDLESS water
>game is smart enough to realize sailing on endless water is fucking boring and nobody wants to play a game like that

>Wind Waker goes full retard with water and sailing

[Anonymous No.4239519]

>>4239515
If you use composite like a baby.

[Anonymous No.4239525]

>>4239516
>In contrast to the critical acclaim, players' response to the game remained deeply mixed over the cel-shaded design.[77] Reception was comparatively warm in Japan, where various media commonly borrow an anime aesthetic, but was much more divided in North America

Amurica!

[Anonymous No.4239629]

>>4239476
Bug was garbage. OoT is an ugly, underwhelming game. But Bug was straight trash.

[Anonymous No.4239632]

>>4239515
And it still looks better than zelda.

[Anonymous No.4239658]

>>4239476
Bug is 2.5D you dope and Jumping Flash still beats it age-wise.

[Anonymous No.4239659]

>>4239632
>implying

[Anonymous No.4239662]

>>4239659
Thanks for proving me right.

[Anonymous No.4239663]

>>4239434
Reminder that 1994 came before 1996

[Anonymous No.4239664]

>>4239662
there's no cure for bad taste

[Anonymous No.4239670]

>>4239434
>>4239443
>>4239514

[Anonymous No.4239680]

>>4239515
Reminder that the PC version of MML exists.

[Anonymous No.4239686]

>>4239525
What does that have to do with what was said?

[Anonymous No.4239693]

If I wanted to play MML, should I go PS1 or N64?

[Anonymous No.4239697]

>>4239693
PS1

[Anonymous No.4239705]

>>4239434
And it's a bad game, what are you getting at?

[Anonymous No.4239708]

>>4239693
N64

[Anonymous No.4239715]

>>4239693

If you want better audio, ps1
if you want better graphics, N64

[Anonymous No.4239717]

>>4239705
>what are you getting at?

Have you never seen a Zelda thread on this board? All the nintendo and zelda fanboys want everyone to believe that every single little thing OoT had was "new", "innovative" and "influencial". Mounting a horse, the mini games, the lock-on system, navi, you name it...

When you look at both Legends and OoT it's obvious OoT took a lot of elements from Legends. Roll -> navi, the Lock-On system, the mini games, even the way the overworld map works... But no, OoT invented of all that, despite coming out at the very end of year 1998.

[Anonymous No.4239720]

>>4239715
>if you want better graphics, N64

If by better graphics you mean blurry bilinear filtering and shorter draw distance, sure.

[Anonymous No.4239735]

>>4239717
Yes, and you're really stretching. Mega Man Legends is basically Atari's Battlezone with a blue robot, and implying that OoT hadn't been in development for years prior to release, and that the devs knew of or wanted to borrow ideas from a rushed, flawed attempt at 3D Mega Man is ludicrous. The lock-on system was in the unreleased Starfox 2 before MML's release too.

[Anonymous No.4239737]

>>4239717
Tomb Raider already had a lock-on system, like MML. So MML can't claim that.

The thing is that the lock-on system in Tomb Raider and MML was very very limited compared to the one in OoT - the one that eventually was copied by later games.

[Anonymous No.4239742]

>>4239735
Legends came out a whole year before OoT. Meaning development of OoT had to still be underway for at least 6months after the release of Legends.

Legends was a commercial success and critically acclaimed in Japan, it's also not only the exact same genre as OoT, but the same type of game in that genre: 3D action adventure with world exploring, dungeons, upgrades to get along the way and towns to explore, with sidequests and all.
You're fooling yourself if you think they wouldn't have played their direct competition, or taken the good ideas of a game everyone liked.

also
>The lock-on system was in the unreleased Starfox 2 before MML's release too.
>>4239737
>Tomb Raider already had a lock-on system

Good. My point isn't that Legends invented any of these. My point is that OoT didn't.
I swear, just wait till the next Zelda thread, or start one yourself, you'll see.

[Anonymous No.4239746]

>>4239742
The OoT fanboys who said that the game "invented" this and that are just as bad as those who say that OoT didn't codify many modern game design elements.

OoT might not have invented lock-on, but it codified it. MML's lock-on is best described as a proto version of what eventually got codified.

[Anonymous No.4239748]

>>4239742
You really believe the OoT dev-team implemented some of the game's defining features in the final 6 months of development, and after playing a mediocre tank game at that? I get the 'OoT didn't do it first!' argument, but why are you even bothering to make it? Who cares? Do Zelda threads bother you that much? There's 11 MML threads everyday too, so it's not like we're hurting for discussion of it either.

[Anonymous No.4239751]

>>4239748
>OoT dev-team implemented some of the game's defining features in the final 6 months of development

You can make an entire game in 6 months.

[Anonymous No.4239753]

>>4239720

>blurry
stop this maymay

>shorter draw distance
actually is quite the contrary. The ps1 has the shorter draw distance between both versions.

[Anonymous No.4239754]

>>4239753
But the blur makes the games look like shit.

[Anonymous No.4239759]

>>4239754

only in vr. In the outside world people actually prefer anti-aliasing.

[Anonymous No.4239763]

>>4239759
The anti-aliasing isn't what makes N64 blurry those (that's a meme if anything). What makes MM64 blurry is it uses lower resolution textures than the PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.4239773]

>>4239751
A game like MML, sure. OoT started development when Super Mario 64 did, before MML.

[Anonymous No.4239775]

>>4239753
N64 games are blurry as fuck.

[Anonymous No.4239779]

>>4239775
And PS1 games are dithered / noisy as fuck. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.4239812]

>>4239775

then explain how they look better than 90% of ps1 games

[Anonymous No.4239821]

>>4239779
This looks like a great raecing game desu

[Anonymous No.4239828]

>>4239693
PS1. N64 is blurrier, the audio is compressed a whole ton (the voice clips have a "spoken in a tin can" quality), they took out the CD samples, there's a notable instance during an important scene they play the wrong line, and the fog rolled in worse than Silent Hill.

[Anonymous No.4239831]

>>4239693
Since emulators do a lot of the work to unfuck? PS1, so long you don't emulate on native resolution.

[Anonymous No.4239842]

>>4239779
Dithering ends up looking good on a typical setup from the 90s, while the forced blurring of the N64 does not.

[Anonymous No.4239845]

>>4239515
Comparing this game to King's Field makes this game look fucking amazing.

[Anonymous No.4239854]

>>4239842
You've got it backwards senpai

[Anonymous No.4239882]

>>4239763
this

[Anonymous No.4239917]

>>4239717
Regardless of the examples given, this is pretty much true. Say anything against popular Nintendo titles or systems and prepared for hordes of angry fanboys to drop all their things to try to prove you wrong, and when they fail they just call you names because deep down they know they are wrong.

[Anonymous No.4239926]

>>4239737
Name a single game that used the OOT style lock-on system other than the Shypon Filter series. Copied my ass.

[Anonymous No.4239961]

>>4239434
mega man legends is so comfy

[Anonymous No.4239963]

>>4239961
this

[Anonymous No.4239971]

>>4239717
This

Nintendofags constantly proclaim things like Mario 64 was the very first 3d game with freedom to move around (false)they claim that oot invented every single element in it (very false) they often denounce big Sony, sega and ms titles, because "muh fun" and then generalize you to death when you make any counter points. They even jerk off over third party exclusives.
Like when RE4 came out, and all the Nintendo kiddies who'd never played a damned tps in their lives actually thought it was innovative and the literal best game ever made...

Oot is a good game. I'm not saying it's not. It's arguably even the best n64 game. It's simply not as amazing as nintentoddlers believe. It's not mind blowing, it's not all that innovative, it doesn't look amazing (even for the time) and it's not the best thing ever.
Sorry.

[Anonymous No.4239974]

>>4239971
>>4239963
Too bad that OP is just pissy about Nintendo fan-boys and used a bad argument to frame it. That wasn't the point of the discussion, and all of OP's points about MML have been refuted.

[Anonymous No.4239984]

>>4239448
>>4239476
>>4239514
goemon, legends and oot are adventure games, not just platformers.
>>4239670
go home poochie

[Anonymous No.4239990]

>>4239693
N64 if you want no loading times, otherwise PC if you can cope with its audio synch issues during cutscenes.
PS version is the worst one with the most glitches, not to mention the whole wobbly textures and incorrect perspective issue.

[Anonymous No.4239997]

>>4239974
Yes, OP is a retarded faggot, we all know that. I'll play MML on any console, but I prefer it on PS/PSX/PS1 because it's what I grew up with.

[Anonymous No.4240003]

>>4239926
Grand Theft Auto 3, Ratchet and Clank, Dark Cloud etc...

[Anonymous No.4240010]

>>4239926
Souls, Devil May Cry, Bayonetta

[Anonymous No.4240025]

>>4239971
Nobody claims Mario 64 is the first 3D game with freedom to move around, that's a dumb strawman. Mario 64 is the first console game to implement analog thumbstick control in a 3D environment (arguably tied with Pilotwings 64, but Mario 64 was apparently in development earlier). That is a pretty huge achievement in the scope of 3D video games, regardless of your very obvious bias.

>Nintendofags
>Nintendo kiddies
>nintentoddlers

For your sake I hope you're still a kid yourself.

>>4239990

I actually really prefer the looks of the PS1 version, but I admit I've never played the PC version. I've never had an issue with the wobbly textures in PS1 games and the brighter, sharper textures look better in my opinion. I'm also really not a fan of how with the N64 version they just lazily ported the digital controls to the analog stick. If they had bothered to implement actual analog control it would probably be the definitive version of the game.

[Anonymous No.4240031]

>>4240025
It was definitely a lazy job, both the N64 and PC ports.
But I consider them to be slightly better than the original PS version. All in all, they're all flawed, but they're also all playable.
The PC version is like the N64 version but with CD audio on voice tracks, and better texture resolution, the problem it has is that the voice samples are desynched on the cutscenes. Not that it really matters in this game, but then again you can't skip the cutscenes which sucks.

[Anonymous No.4240050]

>>4240031
You can skip cutscenes in Megaman Legends.

[Anonymous No.4240071]

>>4239448
>literally just a tech demo

[Anonymous No.4240075]

>>4239686
Americans are too stupid to just enjoy a comfy adventure about sailing and adventuring.

Remember; the ONLY reason Americans liked Twilight Princess was because they thought of it as the grimdark REAL sequel to OoT. The cheering in the original E3 reveal stops as soon as you don't seen basically "better textured OoT Link".

[Anonymous No.4240081]

>>4239659
Ah yes; a final boss where the graphics are so muddy, for years I thought the whole point was that you never actually got to see for real what Ganon looks like.

[Anonymous No.4240082]

>>4239693
I am a Nintendo fanboy and I still would suggest you to play the PS version instead of the N64 one.

[Anonymous No.4240105]

>>4240075
Megaman Legends is a comfy adventure.

Wind Waker is a boring piece of shit with no difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4240110]

>>4240105
They're both comfy adventures. You probably never even got the warp song. Almost everyone I know who hates the game hate it for two reasons:

1.) It doesn't look like a "real Zelda game"
2.) They were too stupid to listen to the Frog God who gives you the Wind Waker on how to deal with his shitty brother and get the warp spell.

[Anonymous No.4240113]

>>4240071
>tech demo
>it's the only game that does first person jumping right
The sequel is also great.
Seriously though, I'll never understand JF haters.

[Anonymous No.4240118]

>>4240110
I remember reading a write up for how long it takes to sail everywhere and never warp. It's a little over an hour of sailing. Which is really not that bad. The game holds your hand at every stage anyway so it's not like you ever have to explore aimlessly.

[Anonymous No.4240120]

>>4240113
Because it looks like a fucking vaporwave cover and is a vomited mess of textures and polygons.

Good gameplay doesn't matter if you can't fucking tell what's going on enough to play.

[Anonymous No.4240138]

>>4240120
>Good gameplay
There is none, he's just a nostalgiafag.

[Anonymous No.4240149]

>>4239779
Don't deny the reality.

[Anonymous No.4240167]

>>4239659
>That moment when you knew shit was about to get real
>It will never be 1997 ever again

GOAT

[Anonymous No.4240191]

>>4239693
PC

[Anonymous No.4240215]

>>4240149
Do you know where you are right now

/vr/

[Anonymous No.4240230]

>>4240120
>if you can't fucking tell what's going on enough to play.
I don't know what you mean with "vaporwave cover", but if you can't tell what's going on enough to play, then you might have brain damage.
>>4240138
How is gameplay in JF not good?
What first-person perspective game does platforming better?

[Anonymous No.4240258]

>>4240230
Early 3D CGI is now vaporwave apparently.

[Anonymous No.4240259]

>>4240258
and vaporwave hasn't been cool since tumblr in 2010, so I don't know why homeboy is even talking about it.

[Anonymous No.4240264]

>>4240259
>despising shit just because it got taken by retards
then you should also stop breathing and eating, because retards breathe and eat.

[Anonymous No.4240303]

>>4240230
I was always fond of Metroid Prime's platforming. It always felt "right" like you could feel the weight of her suit with every jump you made.

[Anonymous No.4240340]

>>4240264
>getting this assblasted about a literal meme
vaporwave was always tumblr shit, and now it's passé tumblr shit. You're a sheep for liking it, and a tasteless sheep at that.
>>>/mu/
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.4240372]

>>4240025
didn't nights into dreams do it before mario64?

[Anonymous No.4240389]

>>4240372
http://segaretro.org/3D_Control_Pad
It was pretty damn close.

[Anonymous No.4240392]

>>4239434
It shows.

[Anonymous No.4240396]

>>4240340
I am not the other anon but I won't leave, you aren't my boss faggot.

[Anonymous No.4240434]

>>4240396
>I am not the other anon, but I'm going to pretend you were talking to me and call you a fagget xD
what is even happening in this thread

[Anonymous No.4240447]

>>4240434
Wow is like thereis multiple anons in this thread or something you know
And everybody jumps into conversations, what's new?

[Anonymous No.4240457]

>>4239434
I didn't pay any attention to the game back when it first came out, so I was unaware of this. I really would have guessed that it was the other way around.

[Anonymous No.4240459]

>>4240447
>specifically call out one anon and imply that he's a hipster-faggot and should leave
>some random dude role-plays that I was talking to him and then posts disney memes when he gets called out
ok

[Anonymous No.4240517]

>>4240230
Vaporwave is basically a hipster artstyle that takes the look of shitty late 80s CGI shorts and slaps low-fi remixes of 80s soul and J-Pop songs on to it.

Which is honestly what Jumping Flash looks like to anyone who didn't grow up with early as fuck 3D games.

[Anonymous No.4240520]

>>4240517

[Anonymous No.4240526]

>>4240459
I also like vaporwave so felt offended

[Anonymous No.4240527]

>>4240520
Take out the HUD and this is pretty vaporwave looking.
It's full of very simplistic polygons and textures.

[Anonymous No.4240539]

>>4240527
Fuck off, kid. Nobody cares about your cancer genre.

[Anonymous No.4240547]

>>4240520
Looks shitty. Someone actually played this trash?

[Anonymous No.4240554]

>>4240539
You seem pretty upset there buddy.

[Anonymous No.4240558]

>>4240539
At least I'm not getting incredibly defensive about a forgotten relic from the mud-graphix era.

>>4240547
I'm sure this was breathtaking in 1994, but it looks like the worst sort of indie garbage nowadays.

[Anonymous No.4240592]

>>4239476
"This is the character! This is the character that is going to do it for Saturn!"
>Steven Shekelstein Spielberg

[Anonymous No.4240598]

>>4240592
Hey, it sold more than all those Sonic games on the Sega Saturn.

[Anonymous No.4240626]

>>4240598
Yeah, and that's why we're playing Bug! Forces now alongside Bug! Mania.

[Anonymous No.4240963]

>>4239670
>moving in 2D while a polygonal environment moves around you is the same as true 3D movement in a 3D environment

[Anonymous No.4240976]

>>4240071
Geograph Seal was the tech demo.

[Anonymous No.4240981]

>>4239779
>CasTroL

[Anonymous No.4241034]

>>4240963
>moving the goalpost

[Anonymous No.4243614]

>>4239434
And it shows, too. That extra year really helped OOT not suck.

[Anonymous No.4243628]

>>4240963
wait... I thought Crash was true 3D. the levels autoscroll, but you can still move in 3 dimensions in the little patch of ground, around you

[Anonymous No.4243640]

>>4239990

my god ps1 graphics are ugly. Look at those pixelated textures, wobbly lines and clipping. How can sonyfags defend this?

[Anonymous No.4243839]

>>4239443
The only game other than OoT that holds up

[Anonymous No.4244673]

>>4239717

Zelda continues on today, and MML couldn't even get 100k signatures to release a demo.

[Anonymous No.4245298]

>>4243640
it looks fine, but i grew up with it and an n64.

>>4244673
>Zelda continues to be raped today
sad, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.4246164]

>>4245298
Not even a Zelda fan but the new Switch game was one of the best received Zelda games since OOT probably.

[Anonymous No.4246245]

>>4245298
Breath of the Wild is unironically the best video game to come out in years. It had the courage to lose a lot of series conventions and was a better game for it. First Zelda game in ages that managed to feel like a real adventure in an uncharted world. I'm more than happy to see how well it was received.

[Anonymous No.4246251]

I always wondered, why didn't we get more 2D Mega Man games on n64

[Anonymous No.4246287]

>>4246251
The only reason you'd EVER want to make an N64 game is to leverage the console's 3D power. If all you want to do is make a 2D game, why not avoid the expensive cartridge bullshit and just put it on PS1 or Saturn?

[Anonymous No.4246304]

>>4246287
Considering they released this turn on the n64
They didn't seem to care about money

[Anonymous No.4246613]

>>4239515
wtf is this idiot doing? You circle strafe with l and r and center camera for more major adjustments. Wtf is wrong with him he plays so bad

[Anonymous No.4246792]

>>4246287

I believe megaman X4, 5 or 6 would have sold way more than legends on the N64. Of course it would have to come out at the same time than the ps1 version and not 3 years later like Megaman Legends.

[Anonymous No.4248135]

>>4240230
>What first-person perspective game does platforming better?
Montezuma's Return

[Anonymous No.4248291]

it does have better graphics

[Anonymous No.4248297]

>>4239658
No it's not it was one of the first 3D platformers

[Anonymous No.4248323]

>>4248135
Not at all, but it's an attempt, I guess.
There just aren't that many first person plartformers to compare to. Jumping Flash is still the technical best when it comes to controls.

[Anonymous No.4249517]

>>4246164
>>4246245
i haven't played it or kept up with any recent games, but this sounds re-assuring. might check it out sometime. thanks, guys.

[Anonymous No.4249523]

>>4246245
Yeah, no.
With the loss of those series conventions came the loss of solid action adventure gameplay. Zelda is now a shell devoid of any substance.

Let be honest, combat has always been average at best and to now make it a highlight, given the dungeons and puzzle design now take a significant hit in quality, was a terrible decision. It's so fucking clunky. Wind Waker was smoother, as was Skyward Sword. Both certainly had more variety to them.

Likewise, the decision to gut story in a LoZ game and urge exploration, but truthfully fail to give reason to explore. The game lacks a reward system other than "Wow, you made it champ!" There's no meaningful drive.
>No new, exciting quests
>No new, learned moves
>Any new weapons are barely something to get excited about given their fragility
>korok seeds
>85% of locations are painfully dull when compared to other AAA game overworlds.
At least Xenoblade did it right. You get a tangible XP addition when you explore.

[Anonymous No.4249796]

>>4246245
why does that man have his head in a toilet