/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4227468]

Why do japan-fags never play western retro-games? In this board we are missing like 60% of games of the period. And objectively speaking these games introduced a lot of interesting concepts and advanced the state of the art more than their japanese counterpart.

I think we should force a "western week" and close threads discussing japanese games during that time, just as an encouragement. Not like we are going to miss the nth Dragon Quest thread.

[Anonymous No.4227474]

>>4227468
meta-threads are cancer, just start a thread about your game. If no one cares, I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.4227478]

>>4227474
meta-posts are cancer, just start a thread about your thread. If no one cares, I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.4227483]

>>4227478

[Anonymous No.4227486]

>>4227468
because western retro games were ugly and barely playable

[Anonymous No.4227489]

Alright, I admit I play a fair more Japanese games then Western games and I think I want to change that up. It's not a bias or anything, I'm just more familiar with Japanese games.

I really enjoy turn based dungeon crawlers and although I know it a more Western genre I never really tried many Western ones so maybe I'll start there. If possible I prefer sci fi settings but I imagine most are high fantasy so that's fine. Thanks and any suggestions are appreciated.

[Anonymous No.4227498]

>>4227468
Your pic is just another Dragon Quest clone. Why even bother with western shit, it's all srolen and ripped off Japanese games.

[Anonymous No.4227512]

>>4227468
>Why do japan-fags never play western retro-games?
I'll tell you why, because while Western retro games indeed introduced a lot of interesting concepts, most of them are not user friendly in the least, hard to get into, and often offer choppy gameplay. So while interesting, they're just a hassle to play compared to Japanese games that usually took those interesting concepts and refined them or presented them in simplified and user friendly ways. So they end up being just not as fun.

[Anonymous No.4227514]

Western retro games were pretty shit until the late 90s, when we got Fallout and Baldurs Gate 2. Sorry that nobody cares about those old shitty games, OP. Have a great day.

[Anonymous No.4227515]

>>4227489
Try Captive.

[Anonymous No.4227526]

Because most here can't read Japanese so they can't play the superior Japanese ports of these games.

[Anonymous No.4227529]

>>4227468
I've played tons of old western RPG's and I find them to be shit...I don't even like Baldur's Gate or Fallout...Eye of the Beholder is pretty good, though.

I don't really care for most old JRPGs either, though, other than Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.4227565]

I'm not even going to try and make an excuse.

I personally enjoy rpgs the most and honestly I find western retro rpgs to be too difficult for me. They are difficult to get into and that kills the enjoyment for me.

[Anonymous No.4227642]

>literally crying for a safespace
they don't get discussed because they play like shit
just be grateful games like planescape, baldur's gate and system shock 2 are retro
the mods even took pity upon you and allow deus ex threads

[Anonymous No.4227660]

4chan is for weebs

[Anonymous No.4227689]

>>4227498
2/10

[Anonymous No.4227696]

>>4227468
Western games are trash and nobody pays top dollar for them because nobody values them. KYS, mutt.

[Anonymous No.4227697]

>>4227512
Also the western aesthetic, particularly in crpgs, is fucking ugly.

[Anonymous No.4227698]

>>4227689
It's true. The Famicom/NES port of Ultima 4 cut out all the stuff that made it original and unique and turned it into another DQ clone with random battles.

[Anonymous No.4227701]

>>4227529
This
Baldur's Gate in particular was trash.

[Anonymous No.4227715]

>>4227468
Because shit you don't know about doesn't happen? Just because people don't shitpost incessantly about them like weebs do doesn't mean no one plays them.

I think your ideas, opinions, knowledge and pipe dreams are shit tier.

[Anonymous No.4227723]

I play plenty of western games I just never talk about them here because I don't want to have to deal with insufferable shits like you.

[Anonymous No.4227724]

>>4227468
>he plays western games
>he plays the nes port of ultima
>he actually thinks western games 'advanced the state of the art more than their japanese counterpart'
goddamn OP is a fag

I'll never understand people like you who cling to ignorance so proudly

[Anonymous No.4227735]

>>4227724
>implying
>>4227715
I know all about you anon.
>>4227697
Sure? See pic

[Anonymous No.4227760]

holy shit look at all those western retro games!!!

>manic miner clones
>obscure unplayable without an instruction book RPGs
>impossible to beat dungeon crawlers
>generic euroshmups
>unfair RNG garbage arcade games
>shitty amiga platform games

wwwoooooOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Anonymous No.4227761]

>>4227760
>WAAAAAH WHY WON'T GAMES HOLD MY HAND
Git gud.

[Anonymous No.4227764]

>>4227761
He's not entirely wrong though.
I'm not saying these games are impossible to beat or anything, but it's not really worth it.
Most western games have bad design or bad controls or, generally, both.
Not all of them, of course there's good western games. But most of them.

[Anonymous No.4227771]

>>4227764
That's because Japanese games treat you like a baby while Western expects you to be an adult.

[Anonymous No.4227772]

>>4227512
The truth

[Anonymous No.4227774]

>>4227771
So baby are more demanding of actually good level design and good controls?
Remember, I didn't say they were impossible or even hard, just badly designed.

[Anonymous No.4227778]

>>4227774
>good level design
That's a fancy name for easy brainless shit that holds your hands like you're some kind of retard.

[Anonymous No.4227785]

>>4227778
hahahah, I didn't imply that, but nice mental gymnastics.
Your westie games are kusoge.

[Anonymous No.4227789]

>>4227785
Likewise, weeabo-kun. Kill yourself kudasai.

[Anonymous No.4227797]

Relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKUGwlFJAHw

[Anonymous No.4227798]

>>4227797
The Brendan Fraser of indie devs

[Anonymous No.4227807]

>>4227489
To be honest, SMT is more (O)D&D than the AD&D games because of the monster negotiation.

[Anonymous No.4227808]

>>4227798
He speaks the truth though.

[Anonymous No.4227821]

>>4227808
Where?

[Anonymous No.4227824]

>>4227778
>too intelligent for japanese games
what a tryhard
even the best of western retro games borrow heavily from japanese games in one or other way

[Anonymous No.4227829]

>>4227824
Don't the best Japanese games borrow from Western shit too. Nobody is an island.

[Anonymous No.4227830]

Japanese are only good at making haremshit lolishit moeshit dating simulations

[Anonymous No.4227836]

>>4227830
And that's all we ever play.

[Anonymous No.4227858]

>>4227824
Are you retarded? The single most influential game for all retro JRPGs was mother fucking Wizardry which itself was one of many influences in later retro western RPGs.
>>4227829
Yes, it's like the moron is claiming Disney characters with large expressive eyes are borrowing heavily from Astro Boy's design.

[Anonymous No.4227860]

>>4227789
lol, I won't.
Enjoy your badly designed games, westie-chan.

[Anonymous No.4227865]

>>4227858
Wizardry was made by master weeaboo Robert Woodhead who went on to move to Japan, marry a Japanese and sell anime.
Wizardry is full of Japanese stuff like Samurai or Ninjas that were nowhere near as prominent in D&D.

[Anonymous No.4227961]

>>4227468
How about we close Doom threads while we're at it. I'm sure the six autists that keep them going won't mind. The fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.4227964]

>>4227735
Was thinking more Baldur's Gate/Torment's dirt aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.4227973]

>>4227808
Naw

[Anonymous No.4227985]

>>4227860
The fuck are you still doing here, you just got humiliated. Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.4227986]

>>4227474
Thid guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.4227989]

>>4227724
He's probably one of the kids around here who wants to be a gaming historian. Everything they do comes off like that.

[Anonymous No.4227993]

>>4227760
Then there's the flip side which is hypertards like this.

[Anonymous No.4227994]

>>4227724
>>he actually thinks western games 'advanced the state of the art more than their japanese counterpart'
But that is objectively true though

[Anonymous No.4228003]

>>4227994
Lol this place is special.

[Anonymous No.4228010]

>>4227468
What do you mean with "japan-fags"?
If you mean the japanese players they loved series like Wizardry more like in the west.
If you mean the western jrpg players there's all kinds of people. I love jrpg's and my favourite games ever are Fallout 2 and Torment.

[Anonymous No.4228013]

>>4228010
It means OP is a retard who doesn't even understand his own question.

[Anonymous No.4228014]

>>4228003
Fuck off, weabo retard. Go suck asian dick you Japan whore.

[Anonymous No.4228015]

>>4228013
I was just trying to make sense of it.

[Anonymous No.4228051]

>>4227830
When people are really angry about something Japanese but have no idea what they are talking about, they string together random buzzwords and hope that they amount to something (which they never do).

[Anonymous No.4228075]

The American video game market crashed famously in 1983, while consumers switched to Japanese games after the arrival of Nintendo, American console developers were pretty dead until the end of the retro age. While they did some amazing stuff on home computers, Japanese console games were Master Race.

[Anonymous No.4228087]

>>4228075
You just didn't get the best Japanese computer games.

[Anonymous No.4228095]

>>4228087
I didn't even mention Japanese home computer games. You just had to sweep in with your "acccshually did you know?!" bullshit.

[Anonymous No.4228101]

>>4228095
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.4228113]

>>4228013
Everyone around here seems to understand the question. Maybe, for once, you are a special snowflake.

[Anonymous No.4228114]

>>4227985
>humilliated
When? He rightly declared that most western games have bad design and controls. In any case, the only one who's making a fool out of himself, turning into a laughing stock, that's you my friend.

[Anonymous No.4228127]

>>4227797
He's being an asshole about it and explaining their point in the most cockamanie way, but yes... modern Japanese games suck. So do modern western games.

Yeah, Japan doesn't really have an "indie scene" which I guess is his point but then again the game that arguably started the whole movement was Cave Story... a Japanese independently designed game.

[Anonymous No.4228134]

>>4228014
My favorite game of the 80's is Rogue. I grew up playing a mix of computer and console games and still do to this day. I just think you're all a bunch of jokers.

[Anonymous No.4228137]

>>4228127
>Yeah, Japan doesn't really have an "indie scene"
you serious?

[Anonymous No.4228138]

>>4228127
>Japan doesn't really have an "indie scene
are you high

>the game that arguably started the whole movement was Cave Story
WHAT

Japan has a HUGE indie scene and it's been around for many years before Cave Story. Before buying digital became common there were even many stores selling nothing but indie games physically.

[Anonymous No.4228149]

>>4228137
>>4228138
Alright, educate me. What Japanese indie masterpieces are being released... or is your sekrit club?

[Anonymous No.4228150]

>>4228138
They didn't just have indie games, they had indie hardware.

[Anonymous No.4228151]

>>4228149
Touhou

[Anonymous No.4228159]

>>4228134
>I just think you're all a bunch of jokers.

[Anonymous No.4228161]

>>4228149
Not them but indie games are rarely masterpieces. They're experimental small passion projects.

[Anonymous No.4228171]

>>4228149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVlcsqVmMgM

This one is actually getting an english release, in case you don't want a "sekrit club" example.

Then there's Touhou as another poster mentioned.

[Anonymous No.4228175]

>>4228149

Nobody here plays japanese games that are not available in English.

[Anonymous No.4228189]

>>4227797
That guy is such a pedantic twat I can barely stand to hear him speak. But fuck I loved the game he made though. Looked like a stock dumb platformer with a gimmick, but reminded me way more of Myst. Also no platforming as it turns out...

[Anonymous No.4228221]

>Forcing people what to discuss

Seriously fuck off, I like ultima IV and shit but that's just retarded

[Anonymous No.4228242]

>>4227797
>make an inferior copy of crush
>thinks his opinion matters

these indie devs are adorable

[Anonymous No.4228268]

>Why do japan-fags never play western retro-games?
I began studying Japanese because I had an avid interest in translating retro games. But I still prefer Western games and design philosophies by far. I am by no means a weeb.

Western games do have a niche in the Japanese market, as well. Unless there's something that predates Wizardry and Ultima, dungeon crawling originated in the West and was later picked up by Japan. Also look for Western influences in series like King's Field, and later Dark Souls.

>japan-fags
I think you're referring to the literally autistic individuals who spend every waking moment alternating between VNs and posting waifu threads on /a/. They exist in their own insular little universe and have little to no contact with the outside world. It's probably best not to concern yourself with their opinions about anything.

[Anonymous No.4228279]

>>4228268
>I think you're referring to the literally autistic individuals who spend every waking moment alternating between VNs and posting waifu threads on /a/.

It's funny because I remember really good threads about wrpg's some years ago in /a/.
There's even touhou translated mods of Baldur's Gate.

[Anonymous No.4228294]

>>4228268
>Unless there's something that predates Wizardry and Ultima
Tons of previous attempts to bring DnD on computers.

[Anonymous No.4228303]

lol westaboos
Forever mad and jelly

[Anonymous No.4228305]

>>4228294
Tons is a serious overstatement.

[Anonymous No.4228306]

>>4228305
Richard Garriot alone made 28.

[Anonymous No.4228307]

>>4228242
Fez and Crush are completely different games though. This is no different than the people ragging on it for not being enough of a platformer

[Anonymous No.4228310]

>>4228075
American computer games fucking sucked in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.4228312]

>>4228310
Hot opinions kiddo

[Anonymous No.4228314]

>>4228312
They were totally outperformed by a small group of European hobbyists, you can't deny American computer games sucked in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.4228317]

>>4228314
Can you name some good European computer games from the 80s?

[Anonymous No.4228319]

>>4227468
While perhaps bait, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Name some retro western rpgs, I'll either give them a try if I haven't already played them.

[Anonymous No.4228324]

>>4228319
Albion, Ambermoon

[Anonymous No.4228326]

>>4228317
If you really don't know what was made at the time then why are you arguing the point? Fanboyism?

[Anonymous No.4228332]

>>4228307
Isn't Fez' aesthetic and conceptual basis of becoming successful Cave Story though

like without that game he never would have even tried

[Anonymous No.4228334]

>>4228326
I'm a different guy, I'm actually curious about them. Most European games I played are from the 90s. All 80s games I have for my Commodore were American made.

[Anonymous No.4228336]

>>4228324
Sure, why not, I'll try them out, thanks for the suggestions.

[Anonymous No.4228341]

>>4228307
if by completely different you mean that fez is a dumbed down non-game with no meaningful platforming, sure

[Anonymous No.4228342]

>>4228334
As in Commodore Amiga? For good Amiga and ST games look at some Thalion Software and Psygnosis published games. Rainbow Arts published some good games, too. The most interesting games come from people involved in tech demos at the time.

[Anonymous No.4228345]

>>4228332
The aesthetic is a little bit similar, but even then mostly only in the character designs. Gameplay wise they have almost nothing in common.

Cave Story is an action platformer, Fez is an exploration puzzle/cryptography game. You could take out all the platforming, replace every jump with a ramp or bridge and the game would barely change.

[Anonymous No.4228358]

>>4228314
That's patently false, Prince of Persia, Leisure Suit Larry, Lode Runner, Sim City, the original Castle Wolfenstein...

European home computer games were God-awful monstrosities made on budget computers, even the "greatest" of that era, Dizzy and School Daze are unplayable based on nothing else but nostalgia. Literally nobody outside the region and time bother to play that garbage.

[Anonymous No.4228361]

>>4228342
Name a single European Home Computer game that is legitimately good, not nostalgia, that is fun for more than 2 minutes.

[Anonymous No.4228365]

>>4228358
>American home computer games were God-awful monstrosities made on overpriced, shit computers, even the "greatest" of that era, Oregon Trail and Lode Runner are unplayable based on nothing else but nostalgia. Literally nobody outside the region and time bother to play that garbage.

[Anonymous No.4228368]

>>4228361
Many. Try playing them, kid. Or are you too busy fellating yourself with an Apple computer? Why would anyone ever use Apple shit? The performance to price ratio is abysmal.

[Anonymous No.4228369]

>>4227489
How do you get into SMT? The dungeons with no quick map (you have to go through menus) seem tedious to me

[Anonymous No.4228373]

>>4228365
Lode Runner was popular in Japan. Nice try.

>>4228368
>many
Too afraid to list anything? That shiftyness is common of someone afraid to "lose" an internet argument...

[Anonymous No.4228376]

>>4228345
My point is that he wouldn't even have tried, not that the games are the same.

[Anonymous No.4228378]

>>4228369
There's an spell for that, right? just use it all the time.

[Anonymous No.4228381]

>>4227468
>western games

[Anonymous No.4228385]

>>4228373
>Too afraid to list anything?
I already stated some good publishers. Why are you so triggered by superior games. Did you forget how popular Lemmings was in your country?

[Anonymous No.4228384]

>>4228369
There's a patch to bring up the auto-map with the L button in SMT I, and SMT II has that by default.

[Anonymous No.4228390]

>>4228376
Well I tbink that's impossible to know. And more to the point doesn't really matter. Square might never have made FF if not for D&D but who cares?

[Anonymous No.4228395]

>>4227985
we can read this chain you know, you got btfo and now you look ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.4228403]

>>4228342
>Thalion Software
They look mainly like a 90s company.

[Anonymous No.4228407]

>>4228385
I love the Lemmings, I have nothing against British developers, if you're making this into a bizarre nationalistic chest-pounding. Fucking stop. But that isn't from the 80s. And all the games from those producers are horseshit.

US and Japanese home computer games in the 80s were great, in Europe they were bad. Just awful. They were lucky that globalization hadn't hit the industry until the 90s where all European consoles were stomped into the fucking ground.

If you don't look at it through nationalist or nostalgia tinted glasses, you'd agree.

[Anonymous No.4228418]

>>4228384
Oh shit, tried that and it works. Nice, thanks so much

[Anonymous No.4228420]

>>4228403
Still 80s hardware.
>>4228407
>US and Japanese home computer games in the 80s were great
Japanese, maybe. US, fuck no. US computer games, like every game the US makes, were fucking awful. Sorry, but that is undeniable. If Lode Runner is your gold standard you have serious issues. It's no wonder that a country that was stupid enough to buy Apple computers would be too stupid to make good games. But you look at European games and cherry pick budget British games from corporate publishers, what do you expect? Look at the tech demo scene, especially in Germany. What the fuck do you mean by producer, anyway? Coder or publisher?

[Anonymous No.4228424]

>>4228420
Lode Runner is fun, besides you forget about masterpieces like Prince of Persia and Maniac Mansion.

[Anonymous No.4228427]

>>4228424
>those
>masterpieces
HAHAHAHA. The fucking state of American computer games. Even with all the money you had behind you you still made sweet fuck all.

[Anonymous No.4228428]

>>4228420
>all US games are awful
Now you're just being a retard. The greatest PC games in history are mostly American.

[Anonymous No.4228430]

>>4228418
No problem, happy to spread the Megaten love. Also, go to /smtg/ and check the pastebin, make damn sure you're using Orden's patch on SMT I. The Aeon Genesis patch is a broken piece of shit, you'll end up with a potentially broken and unbeatable game if you don't use Orden's patch.

[Anonymous No.4228431]

>>4228427
I'm on team-japan in this thread, but Maniac Mansion is one of my favorite games, it's a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.4228434]

>>4228428
>muh Doom
spare me.

[Anonymous No.4228435]

>>4228420
Ultima IV??

[Anonymous No.4228437]

>>4228390
That's a really weak attempt at deflection. The point is that Phil Fish is a cunt.

[Anonymous No.4228438]

>>4228420
> computer games, like every game the US makes, were fucking awful.

You got a laugh out of me at least. Vr is a surreal board sometimes

[Anonymous No.4228439]

>>4228431
Okay kid, all the wittle games you like are masterpieces. *pats head*

[Anonymous No.4228440]

>>4228427
>you
Now I confirmed you're just a nationalist jerk-off. Soy de España, gilipollas.

[Anonymous No.4228443]

>>4228435
What about it? It was a poor-average RPG.
>>4228438
I can't believe people defend American games. Just blind patriotism, I guess.

[Anonymous No.4228448]

>>4228440
You Americans speak a bastardisation of Spanish, pretty much unintelligible to anyone from Spain.

[Anonymous No.4228450]

>>4228443
You know Dave Arneson, the (middle american!)
man that invented role playing games (not on the computer, but like in general), considered it unsurpassed for the genre until his death?

[Anonymous No.4228451]

>>4228439
You really showed me! I'm deeply taken aback by your incredibly strong argument.

[Anonymous No.4228453]

>>4228450
And? Stop worshipping his obviously false opinions, Applefag.

[Anonymous No.4228458]

>>4228437
I also think that ultimately doesn't matter. But I said almost exactly that in my first post on it. >>4228189

A lot of the hate the game gets is by people who don't seem to understand what kind of game it even is ( like the guy comparing it to Crush) and I find that humorous.

Everything I've seen of Fish he's a typical irritating French Canadian (I have a lot of experience) but I can't deny that I absolutely love the game he made. It's a a weird dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.4228465]

>>4228342
>Psgnosis
Made nothing in the 80s...

>Thalion Software
4 games in 1989... they're most popular game at the time, Wings of Death (1990) looks meh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRmaCSHStpo

[Anonymous No.4228468]

>>4228448
Not American at all, you fuck.

[Anonymous No.4228474]

>>4227468
Because usually when I play old western console games, I end up playing garbage like Bubsy, Vectorman or Boogerman.

[Anonymous No.4228480]

>>4228465
The guy never asked for 80s games, that was the troll. This guy was talking about Amiga specifically. Obviously you won't know any of their games because you weren't even born then, or you were just some Apple loving American.

[Anonymous No.4228485]

>>4228453
First of all, not an applefag
secondly, I think Dave Arneson's opinions hold more weight than yours ever will.

[Anonymous No.4228494]

>>4228485
Then stop asking for my opinion, cocksucker. The less time you spend bugging me the more time you can dedicate to some dead Swede.