/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4201216]

Can we all agree Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is actually the worst Castlevania game of all time?

[Anonymous No.4201223]

Still better than IV.

[Anonymous No.4201226]

The whole franchise is horrible overrated, op.

[Anonymous No.4201229]

Nah, it's fun as fuck and tons of shit to collect

[Anonymous No.4201232]

Yes, every single one of us can unanimously agree upon that. Not a single one of us will disagree.

[Anonymous No.4201234]

>>4201216
nah, I though it was pretty good, and the graphics were delicious.

>b-but muh babbies
>muh casuals

[Anonymous No.4201239]

I think it might still be better than amiga version of castlevania.

[Anonymous No.4201242]

Castlevania before that was complete shit. HURR WALK RIGHT AND WHIP

[Anonymous No.4201243]

>>4201234
Graphics aren't really that impressive. They have all this warping with the characters it looks bad. Collecting weapons and armour are also stupid. Shit thread btw, fuck you OP.

[Anonymous No.4201250]

>>4201223
when will this meme end, the metroidvania style castlevania games are shit

[Anonymous No.4201254]

>>4201242
>Castlevania before that was complete shit. HURR WALK RIGHT AND WHIP
curious is the trapmaker's art

[Anonymous No.4201289]

>>4201216

[Anonymous No.4201294]

>>4201216
>Can we all agree [...]
No.

People here can't agree on ANYTHING, especially not on a controversial game that has the frequenters divided as sharply as this one.

It seems that people here either love it or hate it, and no matter how often we have this thread (or the one claiming the very opposite), these people do not move a single inch in their opinions.

Threads like this are absolutely pointless and a waste of space, unless you enjoy watching people get all riled up over nothing and receiving some delicious (you)s. If that's the case, then congrats, good job.

[Anonymous No.4201301]

>>4201289
Unndeerated

[Anonymous No.4201312]

>>4201216
Nawh. 64, Legends, Simon's Quest, and the botched port of Rondo to SNES are worse.

[Anonymous No.4201348]

>>4201312
can agree with this

[Anonymous No.4201393]

>>4201312
70% yeah, still i liked to play as werepooch

[Anonymous No.4201397]

Some guy on me local Craigslist is selling pic related for $40, which means he got it for $20.

Has any of you ever seen this one on Aliexpress or Taobao? i might buy it from there since it has Zelda LTTP Zelda Parallel Worlds, Secret of Mana 2 and 3.

[Anonymous No.4201402]

I want to get into this series.

Where should I start /vr/?

[Anonymous No.4201407]

>>4201397
Parallel Worlds is utter trash tho.

[Anonymous No.4201421]

>>4201402
Super Castlevania, easiest to get into and also the easiest game.

[Anonymous No.4201427]

>>4201402
castlevania 1 > 3 > IV > Dracula x > Symphony of the night > 2

[Anonymous No.4201429]

>>4201402
Only play the best.
.t I played about 3 gba castlevanias and the first NES one. Bored to tears I fleed to my korean cinematics.

[Anonymous No.4201430]

>>4201402
?????
Literally how do you need help with this? Play them in order

[Anonymous No.4201434]

>>4201430
>Literally how do you need help with this?

Because I don't intend on playing literally every game in the series, I just want to experience what it generally has to offer in the classic and modern style.

>>4201421
>>4201427
I'll probably do one of these, thanks.

[Anonymous No.4201470]

>>4201402
Akumajo Densetsu, play as the green guy if you find Belmont too hard.

[Anonymous No.4201483]

>>4201434
beware that castlevania 2 is more "rpg"-like because you have quests, hidden items and secrets, then there's symphony of the night that is an exploration game about collecting items, but you can play as ritcher if you want to get a more platform experience.

you could try n64 games but the controls are fucking horrid.

The ps3 games are entertaining too though Lords of shadows 2 is easy as piss.

Also the gba games are all like symphony of the night, i can't say much about them since i only played circle of the moon i think.

[Anonymous No.4201487]

>>4201402

Play Blood Omen instead.

[Anonymous No.4201490]

>>4201402
>the summerfag meme is real

[Anonymous No.4201491]

>>4201490
>secret club

You're right.

[Anonymous No.4201506]

>>4201491
memes aside, there's nothing wrong with wanting a secret club.

[Anonymous No.4201509]

>>4201506
Not sure how asking advice where to start in a series is offending your secret club sensibilities. Not everyone has played every game series.

And before you scream "google instead of asking" I actually want peoples /vr/ peoples opinions.

[Anonymous No.4201512]

>>4201491
>how to spot a redditor

[Anonymous No.4201513]

>>4201506
Then why're you still on 4chan, the most pleb-friendly and popular imageboard?

[Anonymous No.4201514]

>>4201512
>irony

[Anonymous No.4201518]

>>4201509
>at least 1 castlevania thread always up
>"g-g-guys, w-w-hat game s-should i play f-f-f-first?"

[Anonymous No.4201520]

It's so hard seeing the same post occasionally, I know.

[Anonymous No.4201521]

>>4201514
>uses a word he doesn't know the meaning of

[Anonymous No.4201523]

>>4201521
>irony

[Anonymous No.4201531]

>>4201402
Don't. The series is great, but you'll turn into an autist who obsesses and argues over your favorites and least favorites.

[Anonymous No.4201548]

>>4201523

[Anonymous No.4201553]

Aah, shit, I done goofed and enjoyed it before I learned about this thread, fuck.

[Anonymous No.4201574]

>>4201402
Classicvanias in terms of quality:

Rondo Of Blood > III > I > Bloodlines > IV > Dracula X

Bear in mind, IV is the easiest, but not very representative of the series. I would personally recommend starting with Castlevania I on the NES, even though it's rough on first-timers. I love RoB, and it's easier than the NES games, but it plays like a tribute to its predecessors, so I recommend saving it for later.

With Metroidvania, you really can't go wrong with starting at Symphony Of The Night. It's less polished than some of the later entries in the series, like Aria Of Sorrow, but it's a nice place to start, and really one of the essential games that everyone into retro gaming should play. Also, its aesthetics are absolutely gorgeous. Stay away from the XBLA version, though. It doesn't feel good to use an analog stick, since movement is digital, and it doesn't have I Am The Wind at the end.

[Anonymous No.4201598]

>>4201553
You should feel horrible!

[Anonymous No.4201609]

>>4201553
Die, monster

[Anonymous No.4201680]

>>4201294
Hey Botamo, I've been meaning to ask, when are you scheduled to make an appearance in the new DBZ/pokemon fire red hack (or other colours) again? I'm still excited by your proposed moveset. Maybe if we compare this to expectations for Bloodstained Ritual some facsimile of a fruitful conversation will mutate this interwebs thread's usual direction towards pointed observation of fact and improved opinions.
>New thoughts on where we agree we are

[Anonymous No.4201739]

>>4201574
>The Wind had become a Smothering Choking Smog

[Anonymous No.4201784]

>>4201680
You see, theses threads are memetic constructs that proliferate by inciting strong emotions in some people thereby prompting them to post similar/opposing threads. That's simply how they replicate, they feed off emotions - there's no intrinsic value to them. But they manage to stay relevant by simply popping up every other day. I swear to god, >50% of the time I come here, there's one on the first two pages/first two rows of the catalog.

They are quite literally memes.

[Anonymous No.4201791]

>>4201784
Do you think by this point it's just AI's testing which flesh beings have worth and which ones don't?

[Anonymous No.4201818]

>>4201791
Why would they? All flesh is worthless, the machine is the future. It can be perfect. We can't.

Just like we can't seem to agree on whether SOTN is a good game or not.

[Anonymous No.4201852]

>>4201216
>Painfully easy, braindead easy, holy shit there are a dozen ways to break the game and they're not even that hard to stumble upon.
>Platforming aspect is very quickly made boring because you can turn into a bat and fly.
>Inverted Castle is a chore because the platforming is boring. Consider the Super Metroid Rotation hack and how interesting the platforming challenges are since you can't just fly around right off the bat. You have to use the tools you have and gain in interesting ways while in the same environment. SotN is just, fuck, the levels are so bland it just feels like an aesthetic change. The maps are not memorable.
>Have to beat the game to play as the fun modes
>Can chow down on health items and shit on a whim
>There are dingy RPG elements that just bloat the menus and barely matter at all
I have no clue why people rank it anywhere close to Super Metroid. Must be the graphics and music.

[Anonymous No.4202998]

I think it's sort of overrated but still alright.

I mean, for instance the inverted castle seems more rushed, less detailed, bosses are more forgettable.

I'm playing it nowadays on a PSTwo and it has a lot of slowdowns. It doesn't exactly look good when you do that on purpose by putting 70 fucking octopuses in the same goddamn room. Though maybe this is a hardware problem that is not reproduced on a PS1? I'm not sure. Still pretty disappointing.

Then you have the localization, the lack of a display adjustment option which half of the fucking games have, an equipment system that seems pretty green (I understand that, being a first in the series with such system) so experimentation at times seems rather pointless when you have something that's objectively superior...

It could just have been done better overall. But I think it's really good still.

[Anonymous No.4203048]

>hailed as one of the best playstation games of all time

Yeah it's shit.

[Anonymous No.4203308]

Nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S20NJKzNOM8

[Anonymous No.4203336]

>>4201852
It's funny because Super Metroid is just as flawed, if not more.

[Anonymous No.4203352]

>>4201574
What? If you mean visual quality than that'd probably be
DXC > (tAR) Rondo > IV > X> (tAR) > Chronicles> Bloodlines 3 > 2 > 1 > VK > Adventure > Belmonts Revenge > Legends

If you mean in terms of challenge than it's HC> x68k > 3 > 1 > Adventure Rebirth > Bloodlines > VK > 2 > 4 = Rondo > etc etc

If you mean it's gameplay (mechanics) this is subjective for the most part but absolutes are:
3 > 1
Belmonts Revenge > Adventure
1 > (arguably Haunted Castle)

If you mean overall quality on level design alone there's no way Rondo would be #1

[Anonymous No.4203378]

Nobody ever mentions the ps2 games......how shit are they?

[Anonymous No.4203384]

>>4203378
Lament of Innocence was an interesting game with a comically terrible plot that's full of holes the more you think about it. Whip mechanics weren't special but as a game it's alright. Has lots of zingy one liners that never sounded good in my mind or yours but which are memorable nonetheless "I'll kill you AND the night!"

Curse of Darkness is the correct way you add story in that doesn't matter. Devil forging was a fun way to extend the length of a game with the secrets tied to them. The weapon combat wasn't bad. The enemies ALL having different steal triggers was likewise good. Overall a rather enjoyable metroidvania for the time.

I would say experience both of them. (some of) The music is also good for the games. They ain't got that 80's 90's synth pop feel and are that neoclassical what not but it's not unpleasant.

[Anonymous No.4203710]

>>4201216
>/vr/ agreeing about anything CastleVania ever
that said you're completely wrong and SOTN is probably one of top 3 all time.

[Anonymous No.4203721]

>>4203710
>SOTN is probably one of top 3

Aye... top 3 of the worst CVs, that is.

[Anonymous No.4204003]

>>4203336
Which flaws do you think super metroid have?

[Anonymous No.4204017]

>>4204003
Little platforming, too much backtracking, easy bosses, scripted sequences.

[Anonymous No.4204018]

All the games were pretty good until the reboot by Kojima. The thing about SOTN wasn't that it was just a copy paste halfway through the game that you couldn't get to unless you had one item and the useless alternate forms that you really didn't need since you can skip half the beginning with the wolf form; that sucked but what made it a great game was all the items you could get, the artwork, the music; the game had an amazing atmosphere that still hasn't been matched to this day. Too bad I never got to play the US version with the shit acting until I was older, grew up in Japan so only play the JP one.

[Anonymous No.4204030]

>>4201216

[Anonymous No.4204043]

>>4201216
SotN? Worst?

Have you played the gameboy and gameboy advance ones? Yuk!

[Anonymous No.4204047]

>>4201216
The N64 ones were worse.

[Anonymous No.4204053]

>>4204043
circle of the moon is easily the best metroidvaniavania

[Anonymous No.4204058]

>>4201294
/thread.

[Anonymous No.4204127]

>>4201250
>release a lot of equal games of jumping and whipping
>try something different
>every game afterwards follows the same "new" formula

If metroidvania is shit why don't they make the same games they were doing? Metroidvania haters btfo

[Anonymous No.4204128]

>>4201289
Kek

[Anonymous No.4204258]

>>4204127
They did in the adventure rebirth, dracula x Chronicles, Chronicles, etc etc.

In fact relatively the metroidvanias sold like shit. SotN may have been a crowning moment in the series popularity but it ended there with much of that being attributed to the oversaturation of the damn things in the series. Each iga-style metroidvania ended up selling worse than the next (many times doing worse than the above mentioned examples) and culminated in the series being handed over to mercurysteam who proceeded to finish hammering the nail in the coffin with LoS II a game that struggled to do better than Judgement of all things.

Metroidvania's being made that followed the formula was for no other reason than the cheap cost of reusing assets for the umpteenth time and the fact that it's the type of game Iga liked the most.

[Anonymous No.4205078]

>>4204258
Hey man, when Dawn of Sorrow came out I really wanted it but I could not find it anywhere for the love of god. They probably sold like shit, but fuck me I wanted to pay for it and I couldn't.

[Anonymous No.4205080]

>>4204053
Look, it's reverse Monday

[Anonymous No.4205082]

>>4205080
nah, if it was, you'd be heterosexual now

[Anonymous No.4205093]

>>4205078
Maybe I was the exception. Since I was able to pick that bad boy up months after it's release.

[Anonymous No.4205098]

I enjoyed the new style Castlevania games on GBA, so I know I don't mind the exploration style with easier platforming of the newer Castlevania games, but I've never played this one.

Is it worth picking up or would it be redundant with Harmony of Dissonance and Aria of Sorrow?

[Anonymous No.4205104]

>>4205098
It's not redundant, a few mechanics are different.

Just it's really overrated and it does have severe flaws. I played through it many times just like other Castlevanias in the same style and I just couldn't put it above many of them.

[Anonymous No.4205129]

>>4205104
Alright, so probably not worth the price tag attached to a physical copy?

I already got the double pack and Dawn of Sorrow to replay, so it isn't like I'm desperats but people do call it a classic so I was considering it.

[Anonymous No.4205317]

>>4205129
>Alright, so probably not worth the price tag attached to a physical copy?

No, not by far. If you have to pay for it I'd get some cheaper digital edition (maybe it's on PSN? I don't know exactly, I remember owning the 360 one) or the one in Dracula X Chronicles.

[Anonymous No.4206352]

>>4205317
Thanks. Saved me some cash.

[Anonymous No.4206371]

>>4205104
>Just it's really overrated and it does have severe flaws.
So like the average Castlevania title?

>>4206352
I'd say disregard his advice and and make your own opinion, but hey your money.

[Anonymous No.4206406]

The best Castlevania song of all time
https://youtu.be/jL0UoyFS7Ww

[Anonymous No.4206756]

>>4206371
Well, I certainly could emulate it and if I fall in love with it, snag up the physical copy for whatever sum they charge for one now.

But honestly, I feel like I have no time any more and Castlevania games take a while the way I play em.

[Anonymous No.4207009]

>>4201216
kill yourself
SOTN is the only Castlevania game that I didn't want to drop within an hour of playing

[Anonymous No.4207317]

>>4206406
Look I love SoTN and it's music but Michiru Yamane, while extremely talented, only knows how to do neoclassical and does nothing to capture the spirit of the tunes that brought castlevania to this point.

[Anonymous No.4207461]

>>4206406
not even the best library theme in that game.

[Anonymous No.4207472]

>Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is actually the worst Castlevania game of all time

Babby's first controversial opinion on retro games. I've had the same argument with people over the internet over 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.4207478]

tried it recently it has boring level design in a boring "castle"

[Anonymous No.4207484]

SOTN is all about exploring the castle and being in awe of the different environments, enemy designs and most of all, the incredible 2D sprites. Enjoying the whimsical music while exploring the castle is one of the best gaming memories I have.

Just because you read some guides online and farmed for a Crissaegrim or abused a shield rod weapon to melt through enemies doesn't mean the game is bad. Also all the bonus features like Richter mode were just icing on the cake. It's game packed full of content. If you want more of a challenge, just don't abuse the cheap shit and do challenge runs on your own.

Calling SOTN the worst Castlevania of all time is just laughably contrarian.

[Anonymous No.4207534]

>>4201216
I might be easy as hell but it's still light years ahead of Mirror of Fate

[Anonymous No.4207554]

>>4207534
Mirror of Fate isn't just bad for a Castlevania. It's just plain one of the worst games ever made.

At least in SotN you have enemies coming at you while you're platforming. Even if they are piss easy.

[Anonymous No.4207981]

>>4207534
>>4207554
It's also one of those few games thats almost easier than SotN.

[Anonymous No.4208021]

>>4201421
It's one of the few classic CVs I still can't get into, and I find it to be the hardest of all of them besides Rondo.

[Anonymous No.4209924]

Main problems the game has are
>99% of the weapons are boring and the 1% interesting weapons are broken and make the game boring
>No interesting movement options to move around the castle (compared to say Metroid)
>Shit level design
>Combat is very unsatisfying

[Anonymous No.4209930]

/vr/ BTFO

[Anonymous No.4209936]

>>4209924
>99% of the weapons are boring and the 1% interesting weapons are broken and make the game boring

Vast exaggeration. There are a couple of overpowered weapons and a ton of weird ones that are interesting and fun to play with while not being overpowered. Pic related

>No interesting movement options to move around the castle (compared to say Metroid)

Transform into a bat, a wolf, mist, double jump, rocket jump etc is still a good amount.

>Shit level design
>Combat is very unsatisfying
These two feel completely subjective.

I'm no great lover or apologist SotN, it's far from an amazing gme, but you're being pretty ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.4209938]

>>4209924

>>No interesting movement options to move around the castle (compared to say Metroid)

I remember how fun it was playing as Richter. All his movement options were amazing.

[Anonymous No.4210038]

>>4209936
Most of the weapons in the game are just simple upgrades over each other with minor differences between them, like element type.
>Transform into a bat, a wolf, mist, double jump, rocket jump etc is still a good amount.
None of those are really interesting. Rocket Jump would have been far better if it were an innate skill and not a piece of equipment you had to equip to use it, having to go into the menu to equip it every time is just monotonous. The Bat had the flying charge but compared to all the stuff the Speed Booster in Metroid can do it's horrifically dull.
>These two feel completely subjective.
As opposed to saying something isn't interesting or exciting? A cop out answer. There's just a lot of long, boring corridors or long vertical platforms.
The combat is unsatisfying. Even though the sprites are great the animation is very lacking, there is no weight behind any of Alucard's strikes, particularly the sword animation.

Then you top it all off with a lame play to centrism.

[Anonymous No.4210159]

>>4209924
But metro is worse in this aspect.

[Anonymous No.4210250]

>>4210038
>Then you top it all off with a lame play to centrism

Sorry I'm not interested in exaggerating everything to the point of uselessness. "99% this and shit that" it's far from a perfect game but you're just whining about it at this point.

[Anonymous No.4210258]

>>4210038
>if it were an innate skill and not a piece of equipment you had to equip to use it, having to go into the menu to equip it every time is just monotonous.

Lol wut? Why would you ever unequip the relics? Did he just admit he hasn't even played the game?

[Anonymous No.4210318]

>>4204043
Most of the GBA metroidvanias are better than SotN for having more interesting maps and being marginally more challenging.
HoD is ugly and has shitty bosses though.

[Anonymous No.4210449]

>>4210318
It's funny because when CotM came out even with a wormlight it was almost unplayably dark unless you were in direct sunlight.

So then HoD looked pretty good by comparison when it first came out, because you could play it. But less than a year later the SP showed up and all the sudden it was the reverse. CotM looked beautiful and HoD was tacky and garish. It's a good game behind it though.

[Anonymous No.4210450]

>>4210258
That's /vr/ for you

[Anonymous No.4210475]

>>4210258
When you get a Relic, it doesn't equip itself automatically in the GBA castlevania games. I am not that guy and never played the Ps1 version, but is that not true?

[Anonymous No.4210518]

>>4210475
Not him but Symphony and the GBA Castlevanias are all different games.

[Anonymous No.4210547]

>>4201289
Fukken saved m8

[Anonymous No.4210942]

>>4210475
They activate when you get them. He'd have to manually it turn off, guy is a troll or a hypertard

[Anonymous No.4211062]

>>4201216
>worst Castlevania game of all time?
Have you even tried any of the 3D ones?

[Anonymous No.4211069]

No

[Anonymous No.4211072]

>>4201402
Depends. Would you rather play Super Mario Bros or Super Metroid?

[Anonymous No.4211185]

>>4207484
>laughably contrarian
Look I understand where you're coming from. But if somebody wanted to make an argument on why SotN (or any metroidvania really) are the worst "Castlevania games" they could make an extremely legitimate case that would be respectable. Not like that's the case here. He's just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

Anyways that's not what I wanted to talk about
> If you want more of a challenge, just don't abuse the cheap shit and do challenge runs on your own.

Not abusing cheap shit is indeed not farming for a crissaegrim or abusing shield rod. But you forget that your spells exist and the game overlevels you merely by playing. Get lost once and the game will never be able to catch back up to you. On the topic of challenge runs, those are never exactly going to be an acceptable counterargument for the statement "the game is too easy" you know?

[Anonymous No.4211203]

>>4201289
>It was not by my post that I once again filled a thread. I was called here by posters who wish to discuss video games.
>Discuss? You steal men's (You)s, and make them your slaves!
>Perhaps the same could be said of all OPs.
>Your post is as empty as your soul. 4chan ill needs a poster such as you!
>What is 4chan? A miserable little pile of faggots! But enough talk, have a (You)!

[Anonymous No.4211205]

>>4201216
the voice acting is really, really bad -- you're in the castle the whole time, hearing anything slightly different music wise or a different color pallet makes you feel more awake immediately -- same three sounds every time you attack

It's def. easy to hate on it

[Anonymous No.4211353]

>>4211185
To me it's only real problem is the leveling thing. I find the weird weapons a lot more fun and there's so many if them It's easy not to use the broken ones. But even starting in luck mode you just level way too easily.

If they made it like Simon's Quest where you can only level so much in a given area or off a given monster it would be a lot better. Or ditch xp altogether even better. But being able to grind till it's easy was the whole point of sotn in the first place so whatever.

[Anonymous No.4211371]

Nah. Castlevania 2 is yawn-inducing.

[Anonymous No.4211569]

>>4211371
What would you do then?

[Anonymous No.4211593]

>>4210518
Wasn't Harmony of Dissonance criticized for being too similar to SOTN?

[Anonymous No.4211603]

>play retro games
>too young to have grown up and played games as the evolved trough the years
>hate on classic games because spoiled brat with no knowledge and experience

Why the fuck are you even here?

[Anonymous No.4211605]

>>4211593
It straight out ripped off and shrinked enemy sprites from SotN, yeah.

[Anonymous No.4211739]

I'm playing it for the first time, just got up to the inverted castle and beat the bat, Frankenstein and Doppelganger40.
Most of the game I find fairly boring. Weapons are all samey, having to go into the pause menu to do fucking anything is really annoying (seriously, L2 doesn't fucking do anything. Couldn't that have been a slot for consumables? Especially considering a lot of weapons are FUCKING 2-HANDED) and the locations/enemies/level design is not that interesting.
Then there are moments where I'm having a great time which is usually only on select boss battles. Granfaloon was super fun, so was Succubus and a few others.
Then at random times the game pulls off really cheap and annoying shit like knockbacking me into a corner and getting stunlocked over and over by Doppelganger40. I couldn't even fucking move until I died.
I actually don't mind the voice acting but yeah the Inverted Castle feels tacked on and not thought out and half the items being worthless is really crap.
I also wish I could fucking throw out shit like Red Rust and Basilard at this point. I'm shocked that nobody has made a patch that adds some Quality-Of-Life changes to the game because then it would be actually unbelievably good instead of mediocre that people claim is perfect.

[Anonymous No.4212164]

>>4211593
It being very similar to SotN is the one thing it did best. But it's not the same game at all.

Maybe that guy complaining about sotn was actually talking about HoD.... ?

[Anonymous No.4212175]

>>4211739
Red rust and basilard are supposed to suck. There are tons of weapons so some of them are jokes.

The reason there's no quickbuse button for consumables is because there are so many different types.

I would recommend dropping it as you're not enjoying it much but you're near the end already so whatever.

[Anonymous No.4212178]

>>4212175
> is because there are so many different types.
He addressed that when he talked about how many of them are useless. Which they are.

[Anonymous No.4212181]

>>4212178
Well he can add it to his laundry list of reasons why he hates it. I go back to recommending he drops it now and moves on to a different game.

[Anonymous No.4212551]

>>4201216
Even I love it. I hate how you gotta choose what route youll go and you can miss stuff, but damn its beatiful and has great ost.

[Anonymous No.4212561]

>>4201216

Not as long as the N64 games exist.

[Anonymous No.4213279]

>>4212181
True that

[Anonymous No.4214340]

>>4212551
It's still one of the best game OSTs ever made.

[Anonymous No.4214578]

>>4214340
Let's not get crazy now

[SAGE No.4214597]

>>4201216
HEY GUYS I'M UNIQUE BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THIS GAME EVERYONE ELSE LIKED

[Anonymous No.4214650]

>>4214578
>>4214578
Taste in music is so subjective it hardly matters. What do you think tops it?

>>4214597
If you play your cards right you can be the guy who gets to be unique for liking the game that everyone hates because everyone likes it

[Anonymous No.4214664]

>>4211062

Devil May Cry was excellent.

[Anonymous No.4214681]

>>4214650
As far as the series is concerned? Maybe 1 /x68k, Dracula's Curse, or Adventure Rebirth since they have the distinctive pop castlevania flavor that the series used to have before it went full on neo classical.

If we mean of all time to me? Border Down or TO:LUCT maybe. It's subjective but, I was mostly talking about the liberal use of the hyperbole. Generally things like "of all time" and "ever made" being flung about are why the statements lose some bite.

Unless you're some crazy dude that just really loves The Final Toccata.

[Anonymous No.4214760]

>>4214664
That started as RE not CV.

[Anonymous No.4215257]

>tfw just beat the game for the first time with the cheapest moves for the last bosses

[Anonymous No.4215275]

>>4214760

It became CV.

[Anonymous No.4215590]

>>4201216
They all kind of suck. Go play some real games OP?

[Anonymous No.4215798]

>>4211203
>>4201289
Perfection

[Anonymous No.4216026]

>>4215257
Did you sheild rod it and beat him in 10 seconds standing still and getting healed?

[Anonymous No.4216136]

>>4201216
Highest quality music of the whole series. generally a fun game. You're just jealous that its more well known than [whatever other castlevania game you prefer]

[Anonymous No.4216231]

Best game in the franchise

[Anonymous No.4216362]

Neither the best nor the worst.

The music is brilliant. The visuals are great compared to the titles that came after. The rest... eh. Inverted castle really seems rushed, difficulty ain't really balanced, some items seem to be pointless, the equipment system could be done differently. They shove you with content that you might not find at all because in all honesty this game isn't challenging enough to need even half of it. I know some people love to collect stuff but really, there's not just that much incentive to spend time on trying to get some random drop from any enemy in the game.

It must be because I played dozens of "metroidvanias" but it's quite flawed.

[Anonymous No.4216703]

>>4216362
It's from a time before widespread internet useage fir faqs, strategies and item lists. I think it was designed with the idea that someone could play through it several times and find different loot each time to make the runs different.

Not just look up what the few most broken things are and then rush to farm them. It's still far from a perfect game but I think the design choices make more sense when you take that context into account.

[Anonymous No.4217201]

>>4210038
Are you retarded or just grasping at straws? Holy shit man.

[Anonymous No.4218171]

>>4201216
Are you high? What the hell is wrong with you? Did you even play the game?

[Anonymous No.4218192]

>>4218171
>Did you even play the game?
Yes, and it fucking sucked.

[Anonymous No.4218338]

>>4218192
Why did you equip and unequip the relics then? Maybe you hate it so much because you're retarded?

[Anonymous No.4218343]

>>4218192
I played your mom and he sucked.

[Anonymous No.4218378]

It's been a week and this 0 substance shitthread is still alive.

/vr/, why are you so easy to bait?

[Anonymous No.4218441]

>>4201216
>worst Castlevania game

No, you're thinking Curse of Darkness. Or that abomination on the PSP.

[Anonymous No.4218487]

>>4218441
Curse of Darkness is more game than Lament of Innocence while also having a plot that isn't a complete pile of shit. And Dracula X Chronicles at least has a version of SotN that's still inferior to the saturn version.

[Anonymous No.4218507]

>>4218487
They both had literally the same story. "M-muh ex-bff kill my gf!" It's so bland that it makes me want to puke. The entire Belmont clan for a thousand years is fighting Dracula because he killed their ancestor's girlfriend. Pathetic.

As far as gameplay goes, Lament of Innocence at least had some puzzles and a couple challenging boss fights. Curse of Darkness was just repetitively hacking your way through corridors (Lament of Innocence had a shit ton of that too, but at least it wasn't 100% that). Fights were all trivial and the only challenge stemmed from not bashing your head into the wall while waiting for the enemy to graciously allow you to steal from it.

And I just played through both of these games literally last week so I'd say I'm pretty objective on this. No nostalgia or blurry memories here.

[Anonymous No.4218526]

>>4218507
>they both had the same story
The subplot is literally "mathias was in charge of everything". And then we have to suspend our belief that Mathias now Dracula was just dicking around for hundreds of years not doing anything. The entirety of LoI centered around getting your girlfriend and then later avenging her this is true. And Curse of Darkness was completely about killing the shit out of Issac. But the execution in both is extremely different.

To begin with there are more supporting characters in Curse of Darkness such as St Germain, Zead, Issac, and Julia who show up more often for the (except Julia)""""""story""""""

In Lament of Innocence you have Leon "I'll kill you AND the night" Belmont, Rinaldo "and then... I followed her!" Gandolfi. Mathias and Walter. But very few of them matter for any substantial amount of time with walter having less on screen presence in this game than Death in Rondo. The difference between this game and Curse of Darkness is that Curse of Darkness reveals that most of the malice and dickery was because of dracula's curse. Though his resurrection and the plot was stupid.


On gameplay: Neither are hard. But as a metroidvania CoD is just flat out better. Igavanias are easy overall. LoI's forgotten one is indeed harder than Legion but both of them aren't hard in their respective normal modes. While CoD sports a more engaging hard "crazy" mode.

To mention of nostalgia. I play both of these games yearly as part of a marathon stream I do every october. So blurry memories are not exactly a thing I suffer. I can quote some scenes in LoI line for line just because of how over the top and endearing they are.

I enjoy them both. But as a game CoD is just better. The exploration aspect of it is much higher, there are a LOT more secrets than just 3 elemental bosses in LoI, there's special interaction with access to location that is dependent on monster, and there's even a battle tower that is suitably hard.

[Anonymous No.4218531]

>>4218526
>>4218507

I also forgot to mention that Joachim mode kinda sucks while Trevor mode feels empty.

[Anonymous No.4219097]

>>4216026
I just used the Alucard Shield and Sword most of the time
For many of the enemies and the fight against Trevor, Sypha and Grant I just fucked them up with the gas cloud
A few of the bosses I fought after that I tried to fight fair but beat them in a few hits since I had an item equipped that increased my strength yet lowered my defense
Shaft and Dracula fight was where i had the Faerie equipped along with 2 apples and quite a bit of healing items

[Anonymous No.4219957]

>>4211203
I'm the one you replied to and you thoroughly made my day with this. Thank you. Saved it even. (pic related)

[Anonymous No.4220254]

>>4201216
there are worse but i think most of the metroidvaina style CV games are boring.

[Anonymous No.4220434]

>>4220254
I don't think boring is fair but the movement alone isn't exactly faithful to castlevania in most of them.

Even if you compared x68k and vampire killers fast as hell whip speed the only metroidvania that correctly replicated this feel was ironically circle of the moon

[Anonymous No.4220518]

>>4220434
i can see why people like that style of gameplay but i always found the backtracking to be boring. i'd rather have exploration like zelda where you can take whatever path/dungeon/boss you want in any order.

the only time i ever really have fun with metroidvainas are the extra modes where you replay the game as other characters (richter & maria in SOTN or julius, yoko & alucard in the sorrow games) because you usually have free reign in those modes

[Anonymous No.4221091]

>>4219097
That sounds like a pretty good way to do it. Alucard sword is strong but not completely game breaking and has that cool dash attack.

My first time though I had figured out the shield rod and once I got the Alucard shield just walked around nuking everything until even the last fight where killing Drac was no harder than killing a skeleton. It felt awesome for about 5 seconds and then super disappointing when I realized that was it.

Ever since when I played I use weird weapons or look for interesting ways to challenge myself.

[Anonymous No.4221751]

>>4201216
The Crissaegrim was game breaking as fuck. Ruined the game for me.

[Anonymous No.4221808]

>>4221751
Did you find it randomly or farm for it?

[Anonymous No.4222087]

>>4221751
The first time I randomly got it. Afterwards, I couldn't stop myself from farming it.

[Anonymous No.4222174]

>>4222087
I farmed for it once then never bothered again.

[Anonymous No.4222191]

>>4201818
You are very lazy and probably deserve your misery, tbqh. You know exactly who this is, and Kasumi is unimpressive, as history has shown clearly.

[Anonymous No.4222202]

>>4221091
Is that old man flipping the double bird?

[Anonymous No.4222692]

>>4201216
Sure if you mean, the best castlevania game, and also the best psx game

[Anonymous No.4222696]

>>4222692
Look, I am a fan of hyperbole but, let's slow down there.

[Anonymous No.4222701]

>>4211203
My sides

[Anonymous No.4222707]

>>4222696
name a better game for the psx
>inb4 muh metal gear solid, which is clearly inferior to MGS3
>inb4 some shitty terror meme game

[Anonymous No.4222716]

>>4206406
I see that you posted the wrong link, let me fix that for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS8ALhXLrPg

[Anonymous No.4222719]

>>4222707
Arc the Lad III, Star Ocean - The Second Story, R-Type Delta, arguably threads of fate but probably not

Nice inb4's but while I do consider MGS one of the top ps1 games, as it was cutting edge at the time it came out and completely unique, it didn't appeal to me as strongly as Parasite Eve did.

Like I like SotN. And I can pop that fucker in at any point in time and have a blast. But calling it "the best psx" game sets the bar extremely low giving the number of actual mechanical flaws, such as reverse castle + the final toccata, overleveling the entire game, how crazy simple magic is, and the item and weapon clutter where upgrades end up being sidegrades until halfway through the game.

[Anonymous No.4223470]

This thread is cancer

[Anonymous No.4223475]

>>4223470
Vr's favorite buzzword

[Anonymous No.4225416]

>>4222719
Out of all the psx games you picked Arc the Lad 3?!?

[Anonymous No.4225436]

Anyone else think that the shield rod should have been just some sort of debug weapon or actually much harder to acquire?

I mean the amount of time it would require for a new player to find it along with the alucard shield and figure out what it does is really nothing compared to how absurdly broken it is. What would be the equivalent in later castlevania games? I don't remember anything that broken.

[Anonymous No.4225960]

>>4201216
No but it's not as good as rondo or bloodlines but sotn is a really good game

[Anonymous No.4225978]

Pretty sure the GameBoy installments are worse, anon.

[Anonymous No.4225987]

It's an enjoyable game and its brokennes is part of the charm. I do think the future sotnvanias got better though.

[Anonymous No.4226089]

>>4225987
You need autism to get the crissaegrim (and a wiki). That's like to say, if you are able to hack the game, the game is broken.

[Anonymous No.4226159]

>>4226089
Uhh, no you don't. It's perfectly likely to get it via a normal playthrough.

[Anonymous No.4226936]

>>4226089
You're likely to bumble into the crissaegrim. But even aside that halfway into the game your back alone removes all challenge because you've overleveled everything.

[Anonymous No.4226937]

>>4225416
You haven't played arc the lad 1-3?

[Anonymous No.4226989]

>>4201232
literally this. here have a 4chan gold my friend.
edit- came here to say this- updongled your post my friendly friend

[Anonymous No.4226994]

>>4201243
They pushed the PS1 past what anyone thought it could do with 2d sprites you fucking mongoloid. Say you don't like the game, fine whatever, but you can't call what the game did with graphics unimpressive.
You're a dipshit and I hate you.

[Anonymous No.4227036]

>>4210038
It's a video game dude. Holy fuck get over it.

[Anonymous No.4227047]

>>4227036
NO NO ONE HERE IS HAVING FUN CORRECTLY ONLY MY WAY IS FUN

[Anonymous No.4227087]

>>4227036
That guy hasn't even played the game.He was just trollin

[Anonymous No.4227174]

>>4226994
>past what anyone thought could be done with 2d sprites
You what? There are far prettier games on the ps1 my man

[Anonymous No.4227316]

>>4219957
Gentleman and a scholar

[Anonymous No.4227386]

>>4201254
his efficacy unseen by his own eyes

[Anonymous No.4227537]

>>4201216
If it's shit why is it the only one I've played through and enjoyed multiple times?

Give the worst title to the Spaniard made ones.

[Anonymous No.4227732]

>>4227537
deep rooted masochism

[Anonymous No.4227748]

>>4226159
>>4226936
>likely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhyLqULdZaI

[Anonymous No.4227750]

>>4227748
What does being able to farm it mean to bumbling into it. Especially if you're lost?

[Anonymous No.4227752]

>>4227750
What does requiring 5 minutes of repetitive boring activity has to do with being able to farm it?

[Anonymous No.4227754]

>>4227752
You're trying to disprove that you can't just stumble into it by showing a farming video.

[Anonymous No.4227834]

>>4227754
You said it was likely, and i said it was autism tier likely.

[Anonymous No.4227864]

>>4227834
Right then. It's "unlikely but possible" to happen in a normal run.

[Anonymous No.4228116]

Also everyone remember that just finding the Crissagrim doesn't ruin the game. I found one but didn't think it was as fun as the Chakram or Rune Sword so I didn't use it a ton. It's powerful, but kind of boring.

Same with Shield Rod, is broken as fuck with Alucard shield, but is a lot of fun with some of the others.

Just because something exists in a game that has the potential to suck all the fun out doesn't mean you have to use it to do that.

[Anonymous No.4228651]

I didn't use a guide and didn't find the Crissaegrim, but I still found the game way too easy.

[Anonymous No.4228897]

>>4228651
People keep focusing on the crissagrim as if it's only this one item that's the reason that the game is easy as heck