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Whats the best retro shmup and why?

>> No.4157785
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>> No.4157791

>>4157743
Ikaruga, because of very obvious reasons

>> No.4157794

>>4157791
>babby's first shmup
Nah.

>> No.4157803

>>4157794
>greatest shmup ever made
Yah.

>> No.4157807

>>4157803
>I don't play shmups: the post
Indeed.

>> No.4157812

>>4157791

If you actually played shmups, you'd know Ikaruga is a super easy one designed for people who don't play the genre. It's very possible to beat the game by just learning the repetition and hardly reacting to anything.

>> No.4157814

>>4157794
what the fuck

>> No.4157817

>>4157807
>I don't need to play other shmups when Ikaruga exists
Fixed for you.

>> No.4157818

>>4157812
>Ikaruga is super easy
Love this meme.

>> No.4157827

>Ikrugger is bad because you can cheese the patterns by learning the repetition
>r-typo is a memorizer. that's somehow good though

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>>4157743

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>>4157834
US cover looks so much better, Jap one was some gay chick.

>> No.4157853
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4157853

G Darius isn't just "lol, shmup with fish", it actually have an incredible atmosphere, incredible sound track, epic boss battle and very imaginative worlds which is why it's my favorite horizontal retro shmup as of now.

>> No.4157854

>>4157743
Summer Carnival '92 Recca

because it's the fastest and most intense

>> No.4157868

>>4157854
There's a hidden second loop that's even crazier.

>> No.4157880

>>4157743
>What's your favourite shmup and why?
There, I fixed that for you. It's Raiden. Generally I dislike "schmups" and I even think that term is dumb but Raiden is special because I played the arcade version at a local store a lot when I was younger.

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>>4157743
Gaiares because of the best weapon upgrade system and awesome bosses.

>> No.4157883

>>4157854
>because it's the fastest and most intense
...for a nes shmup

i take it you haven't played a raiden game yet though

>> No.4157885

>>4157883
I remember getting sniped by a single bullet on screen.

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>>4157834
>>4157838
Beat me to it, but good to be in such swell company.

>> No.4157892
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I like the 2D and the replay value with all the characters to play as. Also Cannon Spike because of the cast as well.

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>>4157892
American version was also superior.

>> No.4157943

My favorites right now are Battle Bakraid and Twinkle Star Sprites. I don't know what the "best" one is, nor do I give a shit.

>> No.4157956

>>4157943
>Battle Bakraid
Most underrated Yagawa game for some reason, people seem to prefer Battle Garegga over it.

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>>4157743
I like Keio Flying Squadron because it is funny. Has great use of colors. Lots of style.


>>4157838
I would trade my US one for a JP one because I prefer the JP cover. However, I didn't really like Gaiares as much back then because there was no right speed for the ship that fits my play.

>> No.4158079

>>4157956
Because the scoring system in BB is trash, even by YGW standards.

>> No.4158118
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Einhander will always be first among equals for me, but everything >>4157853 says is right. They're basically a dead heat for favorite.

>> No.4158165

>>4158079
Intresting, exactly how fucked is it?

>> No.4158169

>>4157882
Nice screen on that thing. Mine looks like utter shit

>> No.4158216

>>4157827
Most shmups are shit for these very reasons. In the end I think a lot of shmup fans must have some serious cognitive dissonance going on to like X but not Y when they are both shit for the same reasons.

>> No.4158371

>>4158165
Medaling is ignored completely, as you only worry about chaining large enemies together. You'll be getting like 5 lives in a row at times, it's kinda silly/dumb.

>> No.4158403

>>4157827
Who's saying that, though? R-Type gets shit on for being a memorizer all the time.

>> No.4158415

>>4158403
shmup gen loved r-type tho, I know it's stupid because 4chan isn't one person yadda yada

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>> No.4158436

>>4158421
Casual shit, play the real Gradius.

>> No.4158456

>No mention of Radiant Silvergun yet
Let a little fun into your lives, guys

>> No.4158483

>>4158456
Babby's 2nd shmup

>> No.4158503

>>4158483
Babby got good taste

>> No.4158505

>>4158503
Of course a babby would think that.

>> No.4158510

>>4158483
>Silvergun
>babby
It's ranked under medium-to-advanced difficulty under the hardest shmups list, you're full of shit.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php%3FSTG%25A5%25E9%25A5%25F3%25A5%25AF%25B0%25EC%25CD%25F7&prev=search

>> No.4158548

>>4158510
yes and ikaruga is ranked even higher than that, it doesn't mean it isn't the first shmup that most people play

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>>4157743
Kamui because my opinion is the correct one.

>> No.4158556

Xexex is the the only shmup to be actual fun.

>> No.4158579

>>4158556
Actually, I think lots of shmups are fun. How does it feel being wrong?

>> No.4158584

>>4158579
You're just having artificial fun.

>> No.4158974

>>4158169
When it's not turned on you can see a lot more scratches.

>> No.4158980

>>4158548
>it doesn't mean it isn't the first shmup that most people play

How does that affect it's difficulty?

>> No.4159064

>>4158548
>>4158510

Ikaruga has difficulty options. Easy mode is piss easy but hard mode is a good challenge. Shitposters here always like to ignore difficulty options, especially when talking about newer games.

>> No.4159070

>>4158980
Isn't that what the "babby's first whatever" meme is about?

>> No.4159092

>>4159070
But it's not an easy game (unless easy mode I guess >>4159064 ) so why then?

>> No.4159107

First shmup people play is more like Touhou or Undertale.

>> No.4159115

>>4158579
You need to have severe autism to find fun resetting a run a million times because you missed a medal item or some shit. Holy shit kill yourselves shmupfags.

>> No.4159119

>>4159064
That only ends up taking the merit of 1ccing the harder difficulties. Reaching the later levels and bosses is supposed to be a reward in itself, now thanks to these scrubs and their shitty novice modes everyone can get to the end of the game! Shit game design.

>> No.4159123

>>4159115
You'd need to have some even more extreme mental disorder to think that's the only way people play these games. Are you pretending to be dumb for kicks, or is that really how you think?

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A Japanese wikia that ranks shmup games in order of difficulty listed ikruger Hard mode as number 34 on the difficulty scale, with number 50 Dodonpachi Daioujou being the hardest.
http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php?STG%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%AF%B0%EC%CD%F7

>> No.4159135

>>4159123
Kill yourself, I've accompanied pro level players on Twitch and frankly that lifestyle of obsessively repeating the same videogame run over and over for 12 hours a day seem pathetic and depressing to me. To each its own, I guess.

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>>4159107
Undertale is the best shmup, second only to Ikaruga the greatest game ever.

>> No.4159142
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> ctrl+f
> dodonpachi
> zero results
what kind of wannabe retro gamers browse this board?

>> No.4159146

>>4159119
I think easy mode should be outlawed and if you're a Real Gamer and prove it by beating a Real Game then the government sends you a merit badge you can sew onto your lapel and show off to everyone how hardcore you are. I'd like to see the look on those faggy e-celebs when they don't even have a single badge!

>> No.4159147

>>4159142
Is it better than Ikaruga though? Didn't think so.

>> No.4159150

>>4159147
Yes it is
buy a saturn nigger

>> No.4159151

>>4159135
Ohh Twitch! You don't say! You're still either literally being a reductionist retard who doesn't understand how or why people play games, or you're trying extra hard to come off as one.

>> No.4159154

What is the best console for shmups? DC,Saturn or Playstation?

>> No.4159156

>>4159142
Probably because the DDP games that everyone plays aren't actually retro (Unless being on pre-2000 arcade hardware counts).

>> No.4159160

>>4159135
>12 hours a day
You only need to dedicate a couple hours a week to shmups to see results.

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>>4159156
daioujou is sorta retro? it was on hardware that was released in 1997

>> No.4159162

>>4159156
The saturn one is really good desu

>> No.4159163

>>4159160
Agreed, scoring is for faggots.

>> No.4159167

>>4159151
You millennial piece of shit are too young to understand what I'm talking about. Please leave and let the adults talk.

>> No.4159170

>>4159151
There used to be a site someone posted on /jp/ in 2012, it was like a japanese streaming hub that wasn't too different from twitch. That's where I followed some of the pro player.

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>>4159167
It's the opposite. I'm in my 40's, probably too old to know what the fuck you actually mean. You still sound like an idiot.

>> No.4159175

>>4159174
GUY ARE US! GUY ARE US!
Anyone who posts gaiares is a bro

>> No.4159176

>>4159174
You shouldn't be a dick to newfriends just getting into shmups though, there's barely anyone left playing these games.

>> No.4159178

>>4159162
It is, but Daioujou and Daifukkatsu/Resurrection seem to be the most popular games. At least they're the ones that Cave ports to everything.

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>>4159178
>Daifukkatsu
>popular
Hell no, it isn't.

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>>4159176
That's not at all what I was saying. I'm happy for new people getting in. I'm saying not everyone who plays these obsesses over them 12 hours a day and that I think the guy insisting they do is baiting.

>>4159175
Favorite shmup by a mile!

>> No.4159195

>>4159178
Fuck CAVE, it's even more garbage than Ikaruga

>> No.4159329

>>4158548
So you only hate it because it's popular in the west? Weak argument, lad.

>> No.4159350

>>4159329
Did you quote the wrong post?

>> No.4159352

>>4159350
>>4159350
guessing reading isn't his strong suit

>> No.4159359

>>4158165
why did you call it underated yet know fucking nothing about it? fucking idiot.

Basically there's a multiplier for certainly enemies on a timer, the timer freeze upon death and each multi goes up by 2 maxing out at 64x, you map out routes of endless suicides and kills with some boss milks to, it's actually kinda fun just a bit out there and the first boss milking trick is a bitch.

>>4159147
of course it is.

>>4159150
the saturn port is ass as is the ps port, they both have messed up timing that makes certain chains impossible so it's pretty much casuals only. Shmupmame or groovymame is easily the best way to play it.

>>4159135
not as depressing as never being dedicated to anything in life and never knowing how far you were capable of achieving.


>>4159181
It's actually really popular in japan I mean among actual players, i hate it personally to many ideas crammed in and the sh-3 15fps to 60 instantly is deeply infuriating.

>> No.4159387

>>4159350
>>4159352
>hurrdurr treasure shumps are bad bcuz it wuz the first ESS TEA GEE everyone played [citation needed] and wuz well received!!1

Get an actual argument or fuck off, retard.

>> No.4159404

>>4159387
>hurrdurr treasure shumps are bad

Didn't say anything like that. Reading isn't your strong suit either eh?

>> No.4159425

Shmup threads are toxic. There are so many bad games out there, especially shmups, that shitting on games like Parodius, Battle Garegga, Ikaruga and Dodonpachi is just pointless. They may not be your favorite, but those are all good games.

>> No.4159436

>>4159425
>Parodius, Battle Garegga, Ikaruga and Dodonpachi
shit tier

>> No.4159445

>>4159436
Name one thing wrong with Battle Garegga.

>> No.4159448

>>4157892
>Gunbird 2
Love that game. It has a great arcadey feel, top-notch sprite artwork, and I like the whole magic vs. technology theme which is sort of unconventional compared to most shmups. Quite challenging as well.

>> No.4159462

>>4159445
Need to kill yourself to diminish rank.

>> No.4159502

>>4159448
>It has a great arcadey feel
Well, it is an arcade port.

>> No.4159523

Treasurefags have to ruin every shmup thread baka

>> No.4159529

>>4157743
>image search
>NBA jam tourney edition
what sorcery is this anon

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>>4159523
They're not real treasurefags, they're just lazy fishermen who know how easy shmupfags are to bait.

>> No.4159602

>>4159523
>>4159538
The issue is more that /vr/ is casual as fuck and full of hipsters now. Treasure is an entry level meme for normalfags, and Ikaruga was on Gamecube, so it's the one that they know.
You also have people like >>4159448 and >>4159154 who don't understand that consoles are an afterthought at best when it comes to shmups.
Then there's faggots like >>4159436 and >>4159195 who just hate everything/want to argue with people. It makes discussion pointless.

>> No.4159614

>>4159602
Normalfags have NO IDEA what Treasure was.

>> No.4159652

>>4159614
Keep telling yourself that Nintendobaby. You're super 733T.

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>>4159602
It's like you bit the line extra super hard after being told you were being baited. That was beautiful man, please never stop posting.

>> No.4159664

>>4159658
>hurr durrr, muh bait, so good, hurr
Kill yourself, faggot.

>> No.4159690

>>4159658
I don't understand you people that think everything posted on 4chan is "bait". Like >>4159436 was obviously just making a joke.

>> No.4159705

>>4159652
>You're super 733T.
Wat

>> No.4159715

>>4158436
No, not enough octopus

>> No.4159830

>>4157743
Zanac Neo
>why?
Great game design that forces you to git gud instead of grinding patterns and paths for days, great ships and weapon design and it comes with the original Zanac too, and you can choose to play all versions of that and even get an exclusive mode on it too. Graphics are bretty gud too.

>> No.4160284

>>4159445
It's not Ikaruga

>> No.4160353

>>4157743
gradius II is my best shmup

>> No.4160480

>>4157743
i remember buying this at compUSA for 5 bucks and getting angry at how shitty it was and threw it like a frisbee

>> No.4160507

>>4157743
Friendly reminder that Philosoma NTSC-J is still not dumped on renascene, feels bad man.

http://renascene.com/ps1//undumped

>> No.4160516

>>4159602
>>4159652
Ah, here it is, the anti-Treasurefag who claims all Treasurefags are nintendo fanboys.
Reminder that shmup community on 4chan is a joke, and mainly just trolls and youngfags who pretend to like hardcore series like Gradius and Darius but mainly play caveshit or 2h

>> No.4160563

>>4160516
>Ah, here it is, the anti-Treasurefag who claims all Treasurefags are nintendo fanboys.

Well. You have to admit that most, if not all Treasure games are pretty Nintendo-tier in terms of design, as opposed to glorious Arcade-tier.

inb4
>b-but Nintendo is an arcade company
Not since like 1987 when they sold out and became a consolefag company.

>> No.4160741

>>4160516
Seek help.

>> No.4161223

>>4160563
>trying this hard

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>>4157743
Either Einhander or pic related for me. The former is fun as fuck and has a unique weapons system. The latter I maintain is the most exhilarating series ever made, and almost every version is fucking awesme.

>> No.4163092

>>4159181
Holy shit that guy's mullet has annihilated my sides