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Previous Thread >>4122159

This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
An Anon's Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
An Anon's Guide to differentiating Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Information : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J

/crt/ Discord Server : https://discord.gg/EFWPCYE

Thread Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1HF1jPaNTZDupCn_GGtFuB3DxW5WFFd3yT4znmLA_cuU5oA/viewform
Collaborative Consumer CRT Project Survey : https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd3_OraDPRRN_OzQ4r_-CqoNPR9J0r2KtFrpV6iuXdxM3DDJg/viewform

>> No.4154117

Which is better Csync or Lumasync?

>> No.4154125

They're most likely just SCART cables with built-in sync strippers for displays which only support CSYNC.

Get them if your display supports CSYNC.

>> No.4154127

If it's playstation, go with sync-on-luma. If it's anything else, go with composite sync

>> No.4154129

That's not what I asked

>> No.4154146 [DELETED] 

Csync is "better" than SoL, just like SoL is "better" than SoCVid.

Can I tell any difference between the three on a 900tvl BVM hooked up with Van Damme Red Series coax cable? [Spoiler]No.

>> No.4154153

>>4154117 #
>>4154129 #
Csync is "better" than SoL, just like SoL is "better" than SoCVid.

Can I tell any difference between the three on a calibrated 900tvl BVM hooked up with Van Damme Red Series coax cable?

>> No.4154159

Hey, how come the JVC input card diy instructions didn't get added to the OP?

>> No.4154168


>> No.4154170

I knew I was forgetting something.

My memory is terrible; In the future, please reply to the OP for requests to add stuff to the OP pasta.

Reminder for Next Thread: JVC Input Clone Card

>> No.4154183 [DELETED] 

Other than displays that need csync/puresync, one reason people go with it from what I've seen is compatibility. If one of your sources need csync and you are using sync on composite you will need a sync stripper which introduces a line delay thus the picture will be shifted to the left.

But it also allows people to get away using not fully shielded SCART cables as sync on composite can get interference from coupling.

Pretty much what should happen when you use fully shielded cables. Using sync on luma and csync allows people to get away with not using fully shielded cables, which if you use short runs you are usually pretty good.

In general make sure your csync is 75 ohms unless your device uses TTL sync. In the long run you can add a lot more wear and tear on the upscaler/device sometimes not even syncing/distortions.

>> No.4154184

Other than displays that need csync/puresync, one reason people go with it from what I've seen is compatibility. If one of your sources need csync and you are using sync on composite you will need a sync stripper which introduces a line delay thus the picture will be shifted to the left.

But it also allows people to get away using not fully shielded SCART cables as sync on composite can get interference from coupling.

Pretty much what should happen when you use fully shielded cables. Using sync on luma and csync allows people to get away with not using fully shielded cables, which if you use short runs you are usually pretty good.

In general make sure your csync is 75 ohms unless your device uses TTL sync. In the long run you add a lot more wear and tear on the upscaler/device if you don't conform to the standard of your equipment.

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>In the long run you can add a lot more wear and tear on the upscaler/device sometimes not even syncing/distortions.

>> No.4154196
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>daily reminder

>> No.4154202
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>apart from an ebay seller there is only one picture of the model of tube I own on Google

Not a bad little telly. Nice picture, Supports S-video to. got it for a while ago. Is teac known to be a good brand of crt?

>> No.4154250

*for free awhile ago

>> No.4154290

Well, what model of tube is it?

>Is teac known to be a good brand of crt?

>> No.4154297

it's pic related. no model name, number is in the filename

>> No.4154304

That tells me nothing about the origins of the tube or chassis seeing as Teac is just a me-too rebrander of other people's stuff when it comes to TVs.

>> No.4154319

Its got an M17 chassis m80

>> No.4154334


atleast help me fix my fw900 if youre gonna steal and use my picture !

im still lost with it, and someone recommended I recap the neck board ,should I also recap teh digital board with the CPU thats right underneath the tube ?

>> No.4154343
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>> No.4154383

What's TCL and what's so bad about it?

>> No.4154391
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posted this already in the battlestation thread but I may as well post it here too. got this for free, loving the size of it. games and old shows look fucking fantastic at 36"

not that anon but TCL tubes are chinese shit thtat you're best off avoiding. you can easily get a better set for free but if you're happy then do what you want.

>> No.4154426

doesn't seem to be a smart idea to put a magnetic tape on top of a fuckhuge crt. seems like it would damage the tape during a degauss cycle.

>> No.4154468

That's just the box.

>> No.4154709

fuck man that looks comfy as fuck!

You're not afraid of having your speakers right on top of the tv or sub right next to it?

>> No.4154754
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Thanks, it was a lot of work getting this thing in here and set up comfortably and I'm really happy with how it turned out. Those speakers and the sub are both very well shielded btw. They offer no interference with the TV or my monitor. Unfortunately the sub doesn't actually work with the speakers on the TV since those are on the b channel of my receiver and the sub only outputs on the a channel which my PC is hooked up to. I'm still in the process of working that out without having to move speakers around whenever I use the TV.

>> No.4154783

36 inches is always a lot of work but well worth it. very interesting setup you got bud. Glad to see some fresh content posted around here. It's been awfully stale as of late

>> No.4154852

;_; wish I knew if my speakers were shielded, it'd make life so much easier

>> No.4154864

What would be the PVM/TV to get if you were going to spend 150 on ebay? I assume that is what a good chunk of people here are doing since most free/cheap local TVs are going to be trash (or you have to travel far for it, or really hold out a long time for what you want)

>> No.4154896

Are they heavier than they look like they should be? That's generally a good sign. Another way to tell is to simply turn on a CRT without them near, then bring them close to it. Short term magnetic interference wont permanently harm a CRT but if you see any then you know they aren't. Also, if they're newer than early 2000's they very likely aren't as LCDs took over and magnetic shielding wasn't really need anymore.

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Assuming GBP take your pick from my setup which was all sourced through ebay in the past 12 months.

You could have at least 3 of them, more if you know which ones to go for ;-)

>> No.4154930

150 American freedom dollars, I assume you bid on everything aggressively since buy it now shit I have seen have been for really small trinitrons. 27 inches is the max size I can go for assuming they are around 70 pounds being not much lighter than a curved toshiba.

>> No.4154940

Nah they were all BIN.

I don't really bother with bidding tbqh.

>> No.4154945

If you're in the US nothing except maybe an 8 inch pvm. You might be able to do a local pickup of a consumer tv for like 50.

In general though you can just hop on craigslist and get a consumer set for free-50. Or save your money and hop on a PVM when one pops up on cl or ebay

>> No.4155042

so what kind of Sony CRT should I be looking for if I want something under $50 and not way too heavy to carry?

>> No.4155084

WEGA's (pronounced VEGA) are the most common I find. They're the modern silver ones that are flatscreen. Pretty much any of those that are 27" and under should be enough for a moderately fit person to carry as they're 100lbs at 27". They tend to have some geometry issues such as bowing in the middle and at least one horrible corner but it's not always the case and you can fix some of that with the service menu. If you want a barrel tube then you gotta look for a black chassis and those are less common, at least in my area. If that's what you're after try holding out for an XBR, they're distinguished by the top button with a silver panel. XBR was/is the high end range of Sony TVs and the 90's pop up every now and then.


This list has most of the details of any WEGA CRT you'll find. There's not nearly as much documentation for the black chassis 90's models unfortunately.

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>> No.4155346

take it to the shop and have the man fix it, anon. It's not that hard.

>> No.4155368

>(pronounced VEGA)
Not in America, you filthy kraut.

>> No.4155370

To everyone who helped me out last thread, especially on the VHS front: Thank you so much!

Today, I want looking around, and managed to come across a nice collection of 80's/90's anime VHS's, what I hope is a pretty good VCR, a 27 inch Toshiba CRT with component/RGB input, all for under $30 USD. I almost picked up an early model PS1 from a thrift shop, but I wanted to do some more research into the individual models.

If anyone is interested, I will post some pictures after I get this thing set up and tested out.

>> No.4155498

Half of you walking burgers claim german heritage dumbarse

>> No.4155681

BVM20F1E owner here. What would be your recomandation for hooking up 2 (31khz) VGA sources (640x480 DOS gaming rig and a modern 1080p one) with the minimum of converter and adapter? No budget limit this time, I just want something clean and simple. For now I'm onto coupling a Extron VGA switcher with an Extron Emotia (31>15Khz) but I don't know if it's optimal nor if I'm falling for an Extron meme.

Cheers for your input.

>> No.4155808 [DELETED] 
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Friendly reminder: Do not fall for the SCART meme.

>> No.4155816

what's the SCART meme?

>> No.4155817

Ah, thank you. It's been a while since I was reminded and I just about ordered some SCART cables from Germany.

>> No.4155838

That SCART = RGB when just going through regular RCA cables with BNC adapters and switches works just as well.

>> No.4155878

But what signal do you mean by "RCA"?

>> No.4155881

red white yellow

>> No.4155886

i have a sony trinitron 27" its a leter model as its a hdcrt (had an hdmi input on the back)
my question is what kinda of motherboard, cpu or video card would anyone here suggest if i wanna use this for emulation via hdmi?

>> No.4155892

later model*

>> No.4155917

With HDMI you shouldn't need any special hardware in particular like you would in irder to push 15khz. Just anything within spec that will play the emulators you want at full fps and that's gonna depend on what systems you plan on emulating

>> No.4155952

But using SCART lets me make universal adapters for various different rgb sockets that do not always use bnc

>> No.4155982
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RCA /cables/, not RCA /signal/. Like pic related.

>> No.4156042

sRGB probably

>> No.4156185
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I see what you did there anon

>> No.4156224

Does anyone know anything about PVMs made by 'Checkpoint'.
I can't seem to find anything about them.

>> No.4156231

Sounds like a security monitor not a


I'd be wary of screen burn and it generally being a piece of crap

>> No.4156243

Well, seeing as I am probably going to receive it free of charge, I'm willing to take that risk .

The one I've been asking about was most likely used as a security monitor at one point but no just collects dust in my local grocery store.

And I've never heard of them being called Preview Video Monitors, only Professional Video Monitors and Broadcast Video Monitors.

>> No.4156245
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27" Sharp X flat. Anyone had/have this? Someone is giving it away for free on cl. I was going to try to also get a black Sony trinitron about 24 inches from what I remember for free on cl for free but never got a reply back. I really wanted that one because when I was a kid I played snes at my grandmother's on that same tv :(

>> No.4156247
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Wrong pic*

>> No.4156263

>I've never heard of them being called Preview Video Monitors, only Professional Video Monitors and Broadcast Video Monitors.

They're called Preview because they're not high quality or calibratable enough to be relied upon for live monitoring of on-air broadcasts. That's what BVMs are for.

>> No.4156269

Ah, that's probably why I've not heard of them, no one in the community talks about them. Thank you for the info.

>> No.4156272

The lack of quality s-video cables for most consoles is very troublesome.

>> No.4156338

Make your own.

>> No.4156346

Nice setup.

>> No.4156410
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I don't want to make a thread about it since GCN isn't considered retro. But I know everyone has GCNs hooked up and /v/ won't know shit. Do you hook them into CRTS? Component cables are impossible to get ahold of, so off the bat it's composite. But then apparently flat CRTS (or HD crts?) are the only CRTS that can do 480p anyway. A lot of games are so beautiful on it I don't even know if CRTs do it justice.

I have a Wii U I can use for HD widescreen gamecube games, a U is still built of the wii which is built off GCN so I guess it isn't even emulation, but no clue if there is input lag (or if there is, how minuscule it is). I have seen weird HDMI modded gamecubes on ebay if anyone can tell me what the deal is with those.

The dreamcast is kind of in the same boat, I do VGA to HDMI and it looks so good, but the only way to achieve that is to have some a really odd monitor or screen that probably isn't even a CRT. So do people typically go for scart or VGA on whatever HD TV somehow?

TL;DR: What the fuck do people do for gamecube video quality? What TV do you use and what inputs?

>> No.4156440
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You're overthinking it.

Grab a Wii for $20, component cables for it for >$5, and nab a trinitron for $20.

>> No.4156459

do >>4156440
or get s-video

>> No.4156582

There's no such thing as RCA signal, so you're not clarifying anything.

>> No.4156606

Gamecube is my favourite console actually. In PAL your best bet is RGB SCART as the gamecube's video output is noticeably better than the Wii's. Elsewhere you're better off with a Wii through component. Definitely use a CRT as 480p on an HDTV looks shocking compared to even 480i on a CRT.

>> No.4156702

I use my wii with component cables and USB loader GX. It works perfectly.

>> No.4157145
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Daily reminder that pvmfags are mentally ill.

>> No.4157158

Notice how the pvm part is the only time it uses the phrase "should" look. It's not about recreating the experience, it's about getting a nice picture.

>> No.4157168

100% accurate. They have to go through to a lot of unnecesary shit, ebay accesorys and knob tweaking to play something so simple.
A good CRT is a good CRT no matter how hard you try to be a purist.

>> No.4157331
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Mitsubishi Master Race

how do I get around the refresh when taking pics on a phone?

>> No.4157335

You don't

>> No.4157587
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Euro here. This meme only applies to the people across the water. Scart is the best.

>> No.4157627
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>his standard is 25 frames

>> No.4157629

Get a DSLR.

>> No.4157664

you hope you have shutter speed on manual settings

>> No.4157715
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Went thrifting today at a nearby Goodwill. Accidentally made a wrong turn into the parking lot and ended behind the store and right next to their dumpster.

Trinitron spotted. Not sure what model it was, but it had some damage on it plus had been out in the sun for who knows how long so I left it behind.


>> No.4157719
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Pic of the damage.


>> No.4157735

>crt stand made of crts

>> No.4157748
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Heh, yeah I lol'ed at that too when I took the pics. It was like that when I got there!

>> No.4157849

Don't do it. You'll move it, get situated, all cabled up, and an undamaged model will find its way to you.

You don't need to settle when it comes to CRTs.

>> No.4158134
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Oh no, sir! I left that TV where I found it. I already have 2 fantastic Trinitron sets, so I'm all good!

>> No.4158860

Does Anonymous of Jacksonville still post here? Haven't seen him for quite some time though he was supposed to be setting up some sort of sales outlet for his mountain of CRTs.

I need a BKM-129X and recall that he may have had one/some.

>> No.4159193
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Some CRTs from the 90's, especially the trinitrons, accept a 60hz signal.
I can play NTSC consoles on a consumer trinitron which have rgb scart by default.

>> No.4159264
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Plus, NTSCland has nothing to compare with Ubermensch PAL60


>> No.4159401

Noob question I couldn't find in the pastebin: does quality of Bnc connector matter? I know that cable quality actually matters for analog signals unlike HDMI, but what about connectors/converters? In particular RCA to BNC adapters for my composite and/or component cables to hook up to a PVM. Will 99 cent cheapos be fine or do I need to look for quality?

>> No.4159405

Neighbour moved out yesterday, so I copped a good condition Trini with the actual functioning remote and official TV stand for it (didn't even know such a thing existed). Good score. Now I'm going to have to suck it up and make the Everdrive plunge I think.

>> No.4159420
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I want a monitor I can easily connect to my gaming PC for emulation, something that requires thew least amount of converters/wires to get an image to it
Im going to be emulating PS1 games mostly what would be the best model/brand and what kind of video card would I need to buy?

>> No.4159429

It shouldn't matter too much. Cable quality starts to matter the longer the cable is--this is why you can use regular component cable at all. If you tried to use the cable used for component cables to connect an antenna from the to the third story of a building to the ground floor you'd start to see serious signal degradation.
As long as the adaptor makes good contact it should work OK. Higher quality gives you better construction that keeps the connector working for a longer time.

Also, be aware that many of the adaptors on sale have actually an impedance of 50 Ohm instead of the 75 Ohm used for video signals.

>> No.4159439

Do any of you use sunglasses for CRT monitors? I just don't want it ruining my eyes more-so than an LCD could

>> No.4159451

Makes sense, thank you! Wouldn't have thought to keep an eye out for 50 Ohm adaptors

>> No.4159453

Don't sit too close and have decent lighting in your area

>> No.4159475

I do that and it feels like it's still affecting my eyes, even changed the colour of the screen to 4000k. Not sure if I'm just being paranoid, I love my eyesight

>> No.4159515
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this pic was done when hdr started.

>> No.4159640

Looks stunning.

>> No.4159661
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Yeah! I wear them for two reasons:

1: They look awesome.
2: I have no idea how to adjust the settings on my TV.

>> No.4159860
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Hey /vr/, I have a chance to pick up a PVM-1943MD for $40 locally, but it has an issue where after a few hours of use the color gets fucked (pic related) and according to the seller you need to leave the monitor off for a good long time before it returns to normal.

Any clue what the issue could be and is there a fix or a ballpark estimate for what it might cost to have it repaired at a shop?

>> No.4159875

>Any clue what the issue could be
Could be heating of some components that need to have their thermal compound replaced. Could be capacitors that developed higher ESR over time. Could be cold solder joints that lose contact as the board undergoes thermal expansion. Only way to know for sure is to open it up and start testing.

>> No.4159895

Yeah I figured it was a heat related issue, especially since the guy only listed it for sale recently in the middle of summer (it's been averaging in the mid 90's in our area). If you think it can indeed be repaired then I might just jump on it, and thanks for the help!

>> No.4159909

does it slowly turns purple or does it go suddently ? In any case, might just be decently easy fix.

>> No.4159916

I'll ask him that right now.

>> No.4159929

He says the color changes suddenly.

>> No.4159948
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I have a problem with a CRT monitor that has some weird color and shadow bar problem that move with different types of colors moving on screen

the basic diagram of the monitor

>> No.4159951

that sounds like a cracked solder joint somewhere.
But an overheating component is also plausible.

>> No.4159956
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the problem looks like this and if I move the menu bar these shadow bars move along with it so its not a tube problem

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another pic for all the guts fags

what could be the problem, someone told be leaky smd caps, I looked around and physically they all look fine, nothing out of the ordinary so then i suspected either a chip most likely on the neck board, RGB amp or RGB driver but I have no way of testing this do I ?

>> No.4160014

Thanks for the info, I think I'll give it a shot for just $40, there's a few places in my area that can take a look at it. Worst case scenario I'll just have to put it up on eBay or Craigslist as-is.

>> No.4160097
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Does this display have built-in speakers, or will I need external speakers?

>> No.4160105

Are you unable to read?

>> No.4160109

I don't understand what it says, that's why I'm asking you guys.

>> No.4160149


hes language is probably not english as primary

>> No.4160152

Probably picking up a Sony 14" pvm m2u tomorrow. What SNES scart to bnc connectors would people recommend?

>> No.4160170

Mine isn't english either but it clearly says that it has RCA inputs for audio and volume controls...
It probably has a single speaker though.

>> No.4160260

So your cocky ass can't even answer my question haha

>> No.4160269

Only if you are unable to put two and two together.

>> No.4160320


>> No.4160328

Don't use scart, drill holes in your console and put RCA connectors there.

>> No.4160331

Neverheard of this before. Obviously I ain't doing it without a video demonstration or something. Why would one do this?

>> No.4160352

>Maximum 1.5W speaker output

>> No.4160505

This video will literally explain everything.

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People have done this with component, but I don't see why drilling holes is necessary for an RGB to RGB connection. What I would do is the easier and less damaging option, make a SNES to BNC cable and as long as the pins like up it should work fine. You'll also need a 75 ohm resistor I think? Would double check if you want to really do it. There are some premade versions of these but they're like $60 for some reason.

Also if SNES is your only console this might make sense to do, but I'd guess you might own more than one console if you're in this thread. Sticking with SCART would make more sense cause you could easily get a SCART switch and convert the one signal instead of getting a custom cable for each. If the PVM accepts YPbPr Component, I'd recommend HDRetrovisions Component cables, but once again that'd be for just if you have 2 or 3 consoles.

Anyway to actually answer your question, buy from either https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/ or retro_console_accessories on eBay. The eBay seller only has their items up in the morning (Morning in EST, I think from like 6-12).

Pic related, Genesis RGB SCART cable from retrogamingcables on my Amiga 1080.

>> No.4161082

Can you open up a TV to repair it without killing yourself?

>> No.4161085

TEAC made good audio equipment, and any set with S-Video is going to look solid. It's a cute set, if you like it then it's great.

>> No.4161091 [DELETED] 

Tell that to my Italian grandparents.

>> No.4161105

I believe there is gcvideo lite which should work fine for RGB 240p.480i on NTSC Gamecubes through digital port mod, but people don't usually mention this mod.

>> No.4161132

if you know what you're doing, yes

>> No.4161169

being a contrarian fuck
I mean, a contrarian free20lcunt, sorry :^)

>> No.4161170

The "cloned GC component cables" are mentioned quite often, it's just most people are looking for something they can just buy, plug in, and go, and it's still not quite at that point yet.

BAC still hasn't properly delivered, and the few lesser known alternatives are setup up for standard GCVideo(Digital) rather than lite(Analog).

>> No.4161171


I have the exact same tv sitting in my garage but its heavy as all fuck. Any tips on getting it into the house? I gotta haul it up stairs and I am not looking forward to it.

>> No.4161267

Get help. Dont try it alone unless you rig up an apparatus.

>> No.4161289
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Get help and take breaks. If you have or can get an appliance dolly do it, but make sure to wrap a blanket around the set to avoid scratching the tube or case. I used something like pic related, slid it down the stairs onto the cart, then wheeled it into the room and then me and my brother just dead lifted it onto the stand. Basically minimize any lifting that you can.

>> No.4161293

>maximum 15w speaker output
hmmm....I wonder....

>> No.4161301

which kind of non-flatscreen Sony CRTs should I look for for under $50?

>> No.4161302
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>> No.4161305

Assuming US, probably none lol

>> No.4161359

is this good?

>> No.4161362
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sorry am retarded forgot pic

>> No.4161363

looks like an fs120 or similar model. kind of a shitty pic.

>> No.4161365

yeah that's the only picture on the craigslist listing. so is an fs120 decent or naw?

>> No.4161392
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Just picked this nice HM204/Vision Master 514. A bit yellowed, but turns out I'm the second owner.
Got it for free off my local craiglist, it's going to join its little Vision Master 454 on my secondary/retro setup once its built. Or maybe I'll keep the 454 as a Tate display, but the way the foot is build might not make it ideal.

Pic related is the best way to move a CRT around by the way. I bought this trolley for €20 when I moved, and it's damn convenient, allowed to move a dozen CRT and dozens of boxes full of books all by myself.

>> No.4161402

I don't see how that helps ascending/descending flights of stairs?

>> No.4161405

It doesn't.
Just get friends and/or an elevator.

>> No.4161410
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you have the model, look it up I aint spoonfeeding you

>Pic related is the best way to move a CRT around
except it's not, pic related is

>> No.4161413

Uh that CRT looks pretty small, can't you just carry it?

>> No.4161418

alright I looked it up, 480i screens don't work with light gun games right?

>> No.4161419

22" is not 'that' small. It's still a pain in the ass if you have multiple doors you need to hold open, roads to cross, any can easily stack stuff.

I can't see myself moving anything that is not boxed with a regular dolly.

>> No.4161435

Look again, that's so wrong it almost hurts to read. Hell, I want a source.

That's not a regular dolly, it's an appliance dolly with straps and stair wheels.

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If you enlist friends you can use >>4161302

Seriously, try them. It's truly incredible how much easier they make it to move heavy, bulky things without ripping your hands to shreds.

>> No.4161623

But you still have to be strong in order to move heavy stuff. It's not like these things will turn you into Hercules

>> No.4161686
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Post your sprites

>> No.4161692

Change ISO to minimize the lines

>> No.4161710

Of course but they do allow you to make the most of what strength you do have by shifting the load to your legs and allowing a much more upright carrying position.

t. 130lb weakling who has moved 500lb appliances (with another person, obviously) with relative ease thanks to these things.

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>> No.4161740


if you cant lift a 22" crt monitor, then youre not a man but either a fag or a tranny

I carried a lot of 22" monitors multiple flats up and down stairs, do you even lift bro ?

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Craziest hookups you've attempted?

Dreamcast>VGA box>Extron DVS 510>OSSC>HDMI to HD-SDI converter>BVM-9HD5E

It actually looks better than I could have imagined given the insane signal path. Only 2 frames of lag too.

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>> No.4161838

How the fuck does one check for legit PS1 SCART cables?

I swear I bought one about a decade ago for like 20 bucks and got scammed hard.

>> No.4161868
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You mean official Sony ones?

I only have a PS2 one but it looks like pic related.

>> No.4161870

look for cold solder joints

>> No.4161871

Nah just meant RGB SCART rather than just SCART that has the same quality as composite.

More than having a perfect image quality I just want to play my PS1 NTSC games on a PAL console and I remember that I had a decent RGB SCART cable, but let's say that a "friend" took it and I will never receive it back.

Anyways I found a very good place for that kind of cable so no worries.

>> No.4161876

The ones with DVD/Game switches (intended for PS2 obviously) are ALWAYS wired for RGB.

Perhaps your TV is/was designed to use the RGB switching voltage on one of the pins - I forget which - to change over automatically and this system failed in some way? That can happen even if the R, G and B lines are wired correctly and it ends up just using the composite intended as a sync signal.

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Anyone know what tv this is? Looks like a fv310 but cant be too sure. Someone is giving it away, only thing is that its about a 35min drive

>> No.4162576

ask the person or just go get it

>> No.4162603
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How is wii on a crt tv for virtual console games?

>> No.4162616

Pretty good actually, make sure you turn on 240p mode though

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I guess I should have posted this in the actual CRT thread

Got a Sony Trinatron WEGA KV-32HS420 with stand today. Heaviest TV I've ever owned. Plastic has significant damage, but the display is perfect
I also have a Samsung Widescreen TXN3075WHF. Little damage
Both are beautiful TVs and got them for 50 and 35 respectively with original remotes. Their scanlines are pretty small and hardly noticable, but the pictures are crisp. Hooking up SCART - Component on all the consoles I can is just cream on the cake.

The Sony has HDMI. It will make for an interesting mod project on some of the systems if I ever get around to it

>> No.4162713

sd card slot on the bottom left means you don't want it

>> No.4162751
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Kirby is cute

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That should've not happened

>> No.4162762

I don't understand why you people take such up close pics of your screen. It just show enormous scanlines and doesn't look good at all. I thought the whole appeal is that it smoothens the pixels but it's just scanlines + bloom is you show it like that.
That two steps back and take the pic again anon

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Newer games do look godlike on it too

>> No.4162861

Thats not an sd card slot?

>> No.4162867

Hate to be the one to tell you this but that sony tv sucks. You dont want hdmi

>> No.4162937

I don't have a PVM, is it worth getting a 9" one, or do I hold out for a bigger one?

>> No.4163003

9" is okay if you want some desktop gaming action.

Just make sure you get analog inputs or you'll end up having to do what I just did...

I have some bigger ones too though.

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you must be new here

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Why not both? Sometimes i like to see the phosphors and scanlines up close, some close ups are really beautiful

>> No.4163063
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What do you think of my battlestation lads

>> No.4163067

I think you should learn how to rotate your fucking images, lad.

>> No.4163075

A bit too late, but I decided to check it out and the issue with pin 16, which is the one you describe, is not wired. Not worried since I bought a new one, but it's curious to see this, it's as if someone put a fake switch on a wall that does nothing.

Maybe I should learn more about this.

>> No.4163081

Glad I was able to inspire you, anon.

Tbqh I bet half the problems people have with so-called "fake" RGB SCART cables are down to this very issue and not being able to manually override it.

>> No.4163096

But I'm wondering, why would they do this exactly? Does it cut manufacturing costs in any way substantial?

In my case it seems my TV doesn't have any setting that can enable that, so that's a bummer. It's a shame too because IIRC now I remember having a TV that died quite a while ago that had multiple video modes. As I mention this now it all makes perfect sense.

>> No.4163124

I had a 64/GC cable without pin 16 wired too. I'm pretty sure it's for "surefire" composite fallback, since N64 doesn't support composite. It's probably the same with PS1/2/3 since PS2 greenscreens on DVD play.
Problem is, very few TVs have a way to force RGB input. Even cheap scart-hdmi converters enforce pin16 being on-off.

>> No.4163126

N64 doesn't support RGB I mean, I need to sleep.

>> No.4163151

It's all just software so doesn't really cost anything to implement.

My feeling is it's either done to "idiot proof" the set and reduce customer service enquiries or to allow a tiered model range with more (activated) features on the higher priced sets.

>> No.4163302

Those both sound like HDCRTs, and I know the Sony is because HS stands for HiScan. You don't want those for retro consoles.

>> No.4163415
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Some guy is offering his Sony Trinitron Multiscan 200sf.

Is it worth buying and how much should I pay for it? or is it just like any generic CRT computer monitor? I've tried to do some research and haven't found any specs of it, but he says it's a good monitor. I would use it for PC gayming.

we haven't talked about prices.

>> No.4163532

It's got a horizontal rate of 80Khz so you'd better be looking at using it for a dedicated 90's PC cause for anything even slightly modern it's not very good. Unless you're some diehard aperture grille junkie I wouldn't pay more than $10 for it, and that might be pushing it.

>> No.4163567

gotcha, I guess I'll keep looking for better moniters.

Thanks for the info.

>> No.4163767

My PAL tv can handle 60Hz, but when I set Wii to NTSC mode the whole image is red.

I understand this is because of some pins being switched between EU and US scart, but is there any way to fix it? Like some simple soldering and wiring?

And will Jap consoles like Famicom have this problem too?

>> No.4163818

If it takes 60hz it takes 60hz, if the picture's monochrome it's a pin out discrepancy, so yea you're going to have to open it up and do some rerouting. If I had to take a wild guess, your Wii's SCART's JP21, not EuroSCART. This should help.

>> No.4163892

>only red pin is the same
That seem to be the exact issue I have, thanks.
>If I had to take a wild guess, your Wii's SCART's JP21, not EuroSCART
The cable is european and it works fine on PAL 60Hz. The problem starts when I launch NTSC rom or change region in boot menu, I guess it then changes output to JP21 mode.
It doesn't affect me that much right now, I just use PAL roms and vc/emulators work fine. I was interested if it would stop me from setting up Japanese consoles, but I see it's easy to fix.
Thanks again.

>> No.4163939

Wow, that's weird. Changing between EuroSCART and JP21 based on region? Are there even any displays that take JP21 natively? I'd guess so if it's a standard there must be, but I've never seen JP21 mentioned outside of "The japanese SCART that's not wired the same as EuroSCART."

>> No.4164080
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Any of you guys ever use CRT Emudriver? I'm having a blast with it for mame and windows games but I'm having a hard time coming up with an effective batch script that can launch a Steam game at 240p and go back up to 480i when I'm done.
Pic related going through a component adapter I built from a BA6592F. Trying to iron out the kinks on it but I think it looks convincing as is.

You suck-diddly-uck!

>> No.4164232
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Threadly reminder:

Wii + emulators + s video + consumer crt = cheap authentic retro experience

>> No.4164238

this. except wii is trash at mame arcade games.

>> No.4164243


How does Wii handle PSX?

>> No.4164308


Pretty meh. Can do most games but it's better for snes and earlier.

>> No.4164376

Mitsubishi 40307 popped up around me, way too big for my space but I'm curious to know what you guys think of it?

Weird that the best it does is svideo

>> No.4164381

is there a way to get stuff like PS1 and Genesis on a standard CRT Monitor for computer usage? other than plugging it into my computer and emulating? Would it look like it should if the origin signal is composite? How would that even happen?

>> No.4164384

Screen tearing, no CD audio, hit or miss compatibility (from my limited testing). I decided to forgo it altogether on my Wii emulation rig.

>> No.4164418

I have a converter box that with composite, svideo, and antenna inputs that outputs VGA. It's not a high quality signal. I think its native resolution is 800x600 so it upscales the analog inputs. It's very useful for quickly getting a picture from one of those sources onto any vga monitor, but it's definitely not a solution for seeking a higher video quality.

>> No.4164518

and for europe it's
Wii + emulators + RGB + consumer crt

>> No.4164549

>implying most kids had tv's that had s-video in

>> No.4164560

s-video is older than component. it was certainly more common.

>> No.4164569

being older doesnt = more common. like SNES *Could* technically output s-video, but everyone used composite.

technically older but hell, I remember using an RF box for my Genesis.

>> No.4164579


Didn't s video become common as hell after 95? And it was almost as good as having rgb, like 85-90%. I use it with my Wii instead of rgb on my Amiga monitor because getting the sync stripper and cable just isn't worth it for such a small quality booat

>> No.4164586

>Didn't s video become common as hell after 95?
VHS tapes were almost all composite, and that's what most consumer TVs were built for.

>> No.4164601


Smaller tvs yeah, but most 20" plus by mid nineties would usually have an s video port. Anyways, it was widely available and the snes natively supported it so I do t think it makes it unauthentic.

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Is this a good CRT?

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>> No.4164619

I always used RGB over SCART though

>> No.4164620

What's the largest a PVM can get?

Just curious. I don't expect to be able to afford anything bigger than a small one

>> No.4164623

Only American and Japanese experiences count

>> No.4164624

that looks good what TV + cables you using?

>> No.4164635
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24" Sony Trinitron consumer TV

I really just made those pictures for fun to mock someone who hates trinitrons, so I just thought I'd ask what /vr/ thinks

>> No.4164636

this is the exact setup im using, i do have a snes and n64 but very small library.

how much better is wii component compared to svideo? I have the official cable coming in this weekend. I know not to expect a big jump like going from composite -> svideo, but is it still a notable one?

>> No.4164649


I'd rather s video than rgb with sync on composite. So shitty

>> No.4164651

You use the luma wire of s-video for sync

>> No.4164654


In 240p, not much. For getting 480p though it's good>>4164651

>> No.4164657

>>4164635 (me)
Thanks btw, I never though much of that old TV.

>> No.4164660


Sync being sent with just luma is better than sending it with the three color signals

>> No.4164661

my crt only goes to 480i. I suppose gamecube and wii games should look decent though

>> No.4164665

What do you mean exactly?
Sync in the luma wire that you find in S-Video is cleaner than Composite sync.
The three color signals in RGB are separate plus sync, in S-Video the three color signals are just on one wire instead of seperate ones.

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Finally have some time to sit down and play some games.

AV carts were a great suggestion. Makes having a 27" CRT in my living room significantly more feasible.

>> No.4164678

>n S-Video the three color signals are just on one wire instead of seperate ones.
In S-video two color difference signals are sent in a wire using quadrature amplitude modulation.

>> No.4164687

No, S-Video is Chroma (color) + Luma(luminosity)/Sync. 1+1 wires.
RGB is Red + Green + Blue + Luma/Sync. 1+1+1+1 wires.

>> No.4164691

But yes, you are right, I didn't notice first that you said "in a wire", the color information is R+B and their difference is Green.

>> No.4164707

you can actually take all the color wires of rgp and put them into a s-video input as the color pin and use composite or the luma for the other pin and it will work
you can even strip rgb with luma from s-video and put all the wires into composite and it will still work
you can also strip both s-video wires and put them into composite and it will also work

the picture will still be as shit as the input you use, but it would work, the difference between all those carriers is just how much they split up the signal for better bandwidth/quality

>> No.4164710

Chroma is not three color signals. It is two color difference signals that together with luma are used to reconstruct the original three colors. The two signals are send in a wire after quadrature amplitude modulation.


>> No.4164718


Exactly. S video has cleaner sync than scart which used sync on composite

>> No.4164719

Already said that. I first read your post wrong.

>> No.4164728

What was the most popular, generic brand or model in the 80s? Building my own battlestation.

>> No.4164736
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No silly.
SCART input just uses the composite input pin for sync signal when you use it for RGB.
It actually has a pin that tells it to switch to RGB, when that pin is "on" (or high/live) the normal composite input dosen't even work.

Almost every console RGB SCART cable I have or had used Luma for sync, it's the console side that gives the sync, nothing is stopping you from using composite for sync obviously, but nobody did that, they always used Luma from S-Video, because it gave better quality.

>> No.4164978

$39 for a 26'' WEGA is a good deal or no? has 3 composite, 1 component and 1 Svideo

>> No.4164984

you can easily work it out yourself
>do you need it?
>do you want it?
>does it work well?
>can you afford it?

>> No.4165005

>Almost every console RGB SCART cable I have or had used Luma for sync
Wew lad.

All this bollocks you're talking, you must really be gagging for a big hairy pair of plums in your gob.

>> No.4165038

What do you even mean?
If a console has RGB, it usually also has a separate luma out. If you get one of those shitty cables that has sync on composite pin, it's just desoldering that one wire from the composite pin and putting it on the luma pin on the console side connector. If a console doesn't even have luma out, then you can't even use S-Video on it, so moot point in calling S-Video better than RGB w/ composite sync.

This isn't rocket science, lad.

>> No.4165046

Also, if it stayed unclear:
>>Almost every console RGB SCART cable I have or had used Luma for sync
Under that I mean, that every RGB SCART cable I have acquired, either together with the console or bought separately, usually already was wired to use Luma instead of composite, only a few that I had to rewire myself.

>> No.4165069

mang, I live in scartland, and I can tell you, every OEM cable is wired with composite as sync. For a simple reason, it's for composite fallback, incase someone plugs it in scart port 2 that does not support RGB.

The only exceptions are RGB SMS and RGB MD1 that use MK3085 cable, because RGB SMS doesn't have a video encoder, and RGB MD1 is missing Y/C mixing components.
The immense majority of 3rd party cables also used and still use composite as sync. Only recently retro-focused sellers like RGC or RCA started to offer different sync options like luma as sync or pure sync.

>> No.4165075

Nice of you to share your viewpoint.
Sucks that you always fell for the shitty OEM cables then. But as I said, those where easy to rewire.

>> No.4165082

they were bundled with consoles mang.

>> No.4165113

I usually bought my consoles second hand after the game library had grown, might be that some of my OEM cables where already modded.

>> No.4165215

How would I go about playing Sonic Mania on my WEGA Trinitron?

>> No.4165405

I always used S-Video as a kid since our TVs were very high-end at the time.

>> No.4165485

All of my TVs including the shit ones had RGB SCART, hello?

>> No.4165490

… no? That's retarded.

>> No.4165539

Won't something like an XRGB2 work? Or does that only output HDMI?

I did it using autohotkey and, i think, multimonitortool by nirsoft. Not 100% about that utility as it's in my cabs now, not here. I know i had to use something that saved the current desktop resolution as a config and same for the game resolution. Then load the game config, run the game, wait for game to close and load desktop config again. I tried like 4 different tools before i found one that would actually work in a script or batch file.

There's a 43" 31kHz beast out there. Apart from that, there's a 3250, i think?

>> No.4165547
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it exists, but it's not really out there

>> No.4165554

Staring at that for a while, it kinda looks like a matrixing issue. If all the guns were firing harder when the problem occurs the image would be washed out, but it isn't The colours are... swapped, like the image is in negative, but it's not negative. Is the seller using RGBS with it, or composite, or what?

>> No.4165738
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Probably through some HDMI to component converter, but I'd advise you to use a CRT PC monitor instead, much more fine control over the picture.

>> No.4165756

>Won't something like an XRGB2 work? Or does that only output HDMI?
Yes, converters work, like the OSSC, the HDMI output can easily be converted to VGA via a $7 dongle.

>> No.4166435

my god, it'd be glorious. I wish I was a rich fuck that could afford to get something like this and play on it.

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>> No.4166507

probably something broke in the pll circuit for chroma->rgb conversion.
if it's rgb already, idk.

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>> No.4166534

Tvl is expressed as line pairs so the theoretical maximum pixel resolution is double.

>> No.4166551

>Make sure the floor is strong enough
I'll pass.

>> No.4166591

how the fuck do I connect RGB or S-Video to a CRT with only composite input? Do I have to get a PVM or BVM or whatever

>> No.4166596
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No, we are all lichs here.
Honestly, if you aren't really into the dark arts then CRTs aren't for you. Stick with LCDs.

>> No.4166613

Hey CRT technicians.
Where do you start with calibrating a new CRT TV from craigslist?
Is it possible to fix the geometry, linearity, convergence, and focus just with the service menu or is it necessary to risk electrocution to get things perfect?
Do you make large, rough adjustments in the back of the TV with the yoke and potentiometers and then fine tune it with the service menu or is it the other way around?
Is your calibration method any different for flat screen CRTs vs curved screen CRTs?
Is your calibration method any different for CRTVs vs PVMs vs computer monitor CRTs?

>> No.4166625

Sony Trinitron here, a 24" consumer TV.
Printed out the manual from the internet, service menu is accessible with a simple button combination from remote.
Absolutely everything is calibratable from there.

Unless the TV suffered physical damage, there is no need to open it up for calibration. Unless it's a older TV with only analog knobs for calibration, then mostly the fine tuning ones are hidden behind the back cover plastic.
Only way older TVs might need manually calibrating the magnets around the tube for example.

>Is your calibration method any different for flat screen CRTs vs curved screen CRTs?
>Is your calibration method any different for CRTVs vs PVMs vs computer monitor CRTs?
Just feed in a checkerboard signal at the native resolution and refresh rate and calibrate the TV to that, until every little box is perfect.

>> No.4166681

We threw out our CRT years ago. It was nice but very heavy. But now I want to get into retro gaming.

How heavy are small CRTs?

>> No.4166686

What kind of pussy are you? A 15" CRT is light enough for a 10 year old to lift it, you think you can handle that?

>> No.4166751

My pvm 20M2MDU has a very slightly rotated image; If I follow the upper most scanline from left to right, about half way across the screen it travels up past the bezel. It's very slight but now that I've seen it I can't unsee it

How is this adjusted? Shifting through the service menu I didn't really find anything to adjust that sort of rotation

>> No.4166756

probably just one side or corner is lifted up not the whole picture that is rotated
seriously can't find the option?

>> No.4166762


I've tried adjusting all of them and nothing seemed to do the trick

>> No.4166770

Write down all the default values and try again?

>> No.4166993
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Portable and comfy in my garage.

>> No.4167001

I had a setup like that in my parents car when i was young.

>> No.4167003

Duck Hunt must be great on a screen that size

>> No.4167017
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This is what i have over a decade of garage sales and shit,

>> No.4167023

comfy TVs

what do you play on the Master System?

>> No.4167028

I currently own Fantasy Zone, Fantasy Zone II, Miracle World, Action FIghter, Rocky (i don;t usually play it but it came with the console i bought), Double Dragon, Out Run, Hang-On, and Rambo First Blood Part 2. I really want to get my hands on Phantasy Star or any other RPGs on the console.

>> No.4167031

Also, to add to my reply, what do you play?

>> No.4167036

Actually I'd never really touched the Master System, when I was a kid I actually didn't know it existed, way way up in actual Arctic Canada I don't think any kids had heard of it, so I was curious what an owner liked. I do have a mini list I've been working on, Fantasy Zone and Phantasy Star are both on it.

I don't know anything about Master System game prices but Master of Darkness also looks cool if you were looking for ideas, as well.

>> No.4167040

Oh ok, what is on the list?

>> No.4167048

A guy was in the process of importing one of those gargantuan displays from Japan awhile back, as they are nonexistent in the USA. Last I saw him posting must have been like a year ago.

The HDVS HDTV monitor HDM-3830 is the largest widescreen pro CRT around, over 400 pounds, and cost nearly $100k in the late 80s-early 90s:

>> No.4167369
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Found dad's old commodore 64 monitor tonight and was pretty excited. Got it all set-up with my snes, and right before I actually started to play on it there was a loud pop from the monitor and now it won't turn on. I'm assuming it's dead for good. but any chance it's not?

>> No.4167383

Yeah, it's dead. You used a superior piece of technology (Commodore) with a shitty weeb console (Nintendo), it isn't meant for that.
Where do you live? I'll come pick it up, so you won't have to carry it to the trash, you're probably a little manlet anyways.

>> No.4167575


>> No.4167631


hey you this guy is trying to rip you off, open it up and check sounds more like a blown capacitor to me which is easy fixable and wouldn't cost more then a dollar to fix

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>> No.4167659

>seriously can't find the option?
Not him, but my PVM14L4 lacks screen rotation/tilt option as well, seems like it wasn't very common.

>> No.4167665

Usually larger sets have options for tilt/rotation. It is to compensate for the earth magnetic field. A smaller set would be less affected by it.

>> No.4167739
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There is a 2950QM for an asking price of 85€ close to me. Should I hit it?

>> No.4167746

Jump on it; Assuming it works and isn't completely trashed, that's a steal.

>> No.4167752

Man, I have neither the space nor time for this thing right now (but will in the future), so I kinda shouldn't, but it's so tempting. Something like this might not come up again anytime soon.

>> No.4167784

dude you have the space, it's practically a perfect square, just toss it in a corner or in your closet and forget about it until you can use it. Worst comes to worst you sell it for double the price.

>> No.4167801

Are you in the UK? If so, it was probably the surge from the degauss not being used in a while and it's popped the fuse in the plug. If not, you're probably screwed and it's a capacitor

>> No.4168249

He doesn't have a toration/tilt issue if the line only hides on one side and is straight on the other

>> No.4168435

nice find fampai

>> No.4168574

Would anyone know why component on wii looks a bit darker than wii on s-video?

>> No.4168589

My dad's bringing me home a "Gem" computer CRT. Anybody know anything about this brand? It's free, so I'm not complaining either way, but is it a decent brand?

>> No.4168604
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I only found LCDs with that brand.
Probably some old CRT, it's even hard to find information for CRTs from Acer from the 90's, so it isn't surprising.

If it's some nice little SVGA monitor, it could be pretty nice.

>> No.4168632


Alright, I'll post some photos when I get it.

>> No.4168743
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Brutal Mario on CRT

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>> No.4168857

Who are the fucks out here buying pvm's for $300+ and inflating prices.

>> No.4168874

That's why it's a meme, to inflate prices. Nothing you can do. We try hard with PVM bait threads, but it ain't working.

>> No.4169019
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Looking good

>> No.4169020

What's it hooked up to?

>> No.4169041
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It's emulation through Retroarch with a interlacing shader, displayed on a CRT monitor at 3840x480 (240p 120hz just wouldn't run)

>> No.4169052

I got one (or a 2750 idk the sticker got ripped for for some reason) in an auction online for £25, had to stop by when I was in London one time to pick it up. Came with a flightcase so I got to wheel it through some mall and ram muslims out of the way and slide around on the tube trains great fun

>> No.4169056

I've never understood how this works. How can a CRT monitor squish this many horizontal pixels into that space? What is the benefit as opposed to just running an integer of native aspect ratio?

>> No.4169071

More bandwidth dedicated to each scan, because it's arbitrary anyway, might as well pack that scan with all of the data possible to prevent colour bleeding horizontally.

>> No.4169079
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>How can a CRT monitor squish this many horizontal pixels into that scale?
All CRT monitors are only limited by their vertical resolution, I don't know why but it is like that
>What's the benefit (...)?
Scaling all the weird resolutions games from that era ran at to the correct aspect ratio. This makes weird stuff like GBA games actually getting correctly scaled to 4:3 when those ran at 3:2

>> No.4169082

>(240p 120hz just wouldn't run)
that sucks

is Wii still the best way to emulate with 240p over RGB with a real CRT?

>> No.4169090


I don't know, but I'm glad I bought mine for practically nothing before they became a meme just because I thought they looked cool.

>> No.4169101
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¿On a CRT TV? Absolutely
Maybe a RPi3 could match it, but I don't know if RGB is possible over there

>> No.4169118

Think that's bad? A BVM 32 inch was bid up to like $5k-6k on eBay a few months back, when those used to be a fifth that (or less). That's maximum CRT hype right there.

>> No.4169150


I remember when an XM29 sold for something like $1K on eBay like two years ago.

>> No.4169198

How does this compare to native 240p on a CRT TV? I've been thinking about getting a CRT monitor for emulation.

>> No.4169234
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It's not really comparable to a consumer TV because the image is so crisp via VGA compared to S-Video, so it's more like an pseudo-PVM of sorts, but it looks way too good and it's versatile too if you want to watch movies on your PC.

Try getting a big monitor though, 17 inches or more, you'll regret it if it's smaller. For example, a 13 inch monitor gets up to 1024x768@60hz while this one, a 17 inch one, gets to 1440x1080@60hz

>> No.4169260

Do you use a composite/s-video shader for a more authentic look? If not, why not?

>> No.4169275

Is it possible to fix burn-in on a computer CRT?

>> No.4169278

Question about the Wii again, you tried it?
Does 240p only work for VC games or emulators too?

>> No.4169283

RGB is totally possible with the right add-on board. 240p over composite is also do-able if you're a cheapskate, but it requires some tweaking.

>> No.4169338

Not really, I like the way it looks as it closely resembles RGB and that's authentic enough; I'll try to see later how it looks though
Yes, I have a Wii on my bedroom and it works on some emulators and some VC games, Retroarch on Wii has native support for it. It's fine for everything before the PS1.
I had no idea, good to know; is there something like that but for VGA?

>> No.4169698

those 32" BVMs are still usable for BD / HDTV mastering, so price isn't that crazy.

>> No.4169930

>It's fine for everything before the PS1
You can't emulate big Neo Geo games (excluding the virtual console version of Metal Slug 3 and 4) for some reason on the Wii.

>> No.4170283

Not enough RAM.

>> No.4170303


is it possible to cure death ?

>> No.4170314

Realistically, only for black and white tubes. But the businesses that provided the service have long since closed.

>> No.4170330

Are you able to display an exact negative of the burn in on the screen? If so, yes, by putting the same level of wear on the rest of the screen.

It's not something that's realistically doable, no.

>> No.4170359

Yes, replace the tube

>> No.4170440

Does anyone know of a method to calibrate without 240p test suite? I don't have any flash carts or a dreamcast and I don't think it works with PS2

>> No.4170473
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>buy wii for <$20
>install 240p test suite

Alternatively, buy one of pic related. Mine cost less than a wii but I admit I got lucky.

>> No.4170492

Thanks, I think Wii is probably the best bet since the Extron seems rare. Is it definitely not possible to do via a burned DVD on the PS2?

>> No.4170503

>not bannerbomb

>> No.4170505

For some reason Artemio has never released a version for PlayStation or PS2.

Not sure exactly why given the huge user base. Perhaps it's because the consoles need to be modded to run homebrew?

>> No.4170513

Whatever works, man.

Is it superior to letterbomb or something?

>> No.4170527 [DELETED] 

Underage here. Do DOS games that render at 320x200 supposed to output at 640x400 on a CRT?

>> No.4170552

The bannerbomb exploit was actually fixed on later system menu revisions and thus should be considered outdated, while letterbomb still works on all versions and does absolutely the same.

>> No.4170685

Yes, at 640x400@70hz, although some games ran at 640x480@60hz too

>> No.4170689


>> No.4170704

Nothing is stopping them from outputting 320x200 either without scaling
mode 13h in DOS for example

Just saying, before people start believing in the "computer CRTs can'd to under 400/480p" meme

>> No.4170717

I know, but as >>4170527 clearly says he's underage, he's most probably using DOSBox to play some games and I'm not sure you can do that on there, so

>> No.4170723

I get you, just saying though, he might also use a newer monitor that just reports the resolution as 640x400, or well just DOSBox

I just realized that DOSBox always scales to 480p, while running something like DOOM in a window in Win9x you got the real 320x200 resolution sized window

>> No.4170752

what's the difference between super fine pitch, hi-scan, and 480i?

>> No.4170774

I recently got an Ikegami TM9-1. It's a very nice little screen but it's really warped at the bottom and I have no idea how to fix it. Is there anyone here who's familiar with these monitors?

>> No.4170778
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Well, you can force 400p on DOSBox through the settings, so that's something at least

>> No.4170857
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Bought this small tv for 5. Use it mostly for kodi and psx emulation with my pi2. Ignore the coleco and newegg box its sitting on top of. I just moved recently.

A little off topic but:
Should I bother getting a pi3? I used the pi2 as a desktop when my main PC was down and it was pretty fucking awful. Browser locking up, youtube barely working or reg vids playing even with omxplayer. Does it perform any better? Like I said I mostly use it for psx and only one or two games have ever ran slowly.

OH - I wish i could get my flight stick working properly. Guess I'll hafta map it manually.

>> No.4171004
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i have officaly joined the master race today.

I was able to pick up this beautiful 1990 20" Sony Trinitron CRT TV for only 5 dollars.

Things in great condition only slightly dirty. Cant wait to get it setup and start playing games on it.

>> No.4171034

what models?

>> No.4171357

Top row:
JVC -VM-R150EK, Amstrad CTM-644, Lacie Electron Blue IV 22"

Bottom row:
Sony PVM-2950QM, BVM-20F1E, KX-27PS1

Out of view:
Viewsonic G90f, Sony BVM-9044D, BVM-D9H5E x4, IBM P260, Another BVM-20F1E, BVM-20G1E x2, KX-20PS1 and a Bang&Olufsen 8902.

I think that's everything, hard to keep tabs on it all lol.

>> No.4171410

stick to /g/
you will only find autism here

>> No.4173168


>> No.4173753
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Wtf is wrong with my screen? That's not dirt or a chip in the screen.

>> No.4173762

does that only appear when you play Wii?

If so, the Wii's GPU is probably busted, since it's prone to overheat when using the wiiconnect24 feature and will display black artifacts on the screen.

>> No.4173764

It's a shitty shadow mask doing 240p, pretty normal

do you mean the dark sport? nothing, the homebrew logo just looks shit on the screen

>> No.4173769

That issue should only occur on early model Wiis, they fixed it in later revisions iirc. Also WiiConnect 24 is useless now anyway so it should indeed be turned off regardless.

>> No.4173774

What's the problem? I don't see it.

>> No.4173783


Under the bottom left of the m in the word homebrew

>> No.4173785

I was just responding the wiiconnect 24 thing, looks like bog-standard scratch in the glass as far as the tube goes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>> No.4173790

not a Wii problem, just a old TV

>> No.4173791


It's gone now. It appears somewhere different everytime I turn the screen/Wii on and off

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>> No.4173860

>shitty shadow mask
Kys PVMeme faggot

>> No.4173865

What? There are great shadow mask CRTs out there. Why do you suddenly attack PVMs?

>> No.4173883

daily reminder of what? mine works fine and i love it.

>> No.4173932

Okay guys, I seriously need some fucking help. I was about to play on my monitor today, when all of a sudden, this fucking shit started happening to my monitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIgazTn1imw
When I first started it up, the logo with a black background was scrolling up. Now the image is flickering quite often. In case it helps, I'm using a Sony PVM 14M2U. Please give any advice you can, because I am feeling really distressed right now.

>> No.4173951

You can easily get a decent-sized Trinitron for that price. They often go for more than that but keep checking Craigslist periodically. I'm picking up a 27" Trinitron in great condition for $10 (plus the gas to get out there, still bringing me under $20). Something will pop up that suits you.

>> No.4173962

US? No RGB tho

>> No.4174047

Seems like it's losing sync. What cables are you using? Have you used those cables with the monitor before?

>> No.4174050

That's what it looked like to me. I've tried component, svideo, and composite. I've used them before, but it just started happening.

>> No.4174059

Does the cable have a ferrite choke? If it doesn't you can try putting one on it to see if it helps.

>> No.4174068

Honestly, looks like the vertical deflection circuit is taking a dump.

Good news, full technical diagrams for most PVM's are available online, should be able to repair it.

>> No.4174074

>ferrite choke
those are for interference reduction
it won't help with a shit sync signal

>> No.4174075

>should be able to repair it.
he obviously won't be able to do it if he has to ask such a question

>> No.4174076

"He should be able to learn how to repair it" is what i should have said.

>> No.4174078

>it won't help with a shit sync signal
But it'll help with a good sync signal with interference.

>> No.4174102

I ran a sync signal along with the component, and its still has the problem. So it doesn't seem to be a problem with the sync
I'll look into that. I'm pretty good with fixing electronics, so hopefully I'll be able to do it.

>> No.4174108

>I'm pretty good with fixing electronics, so hopefully I'll be able to do it.

That's literary "hold my beer dude" of fixing CRTs.

>> No.4174113
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Perks of living in Denmark:

Cheap b&o stuff
Not much else

>> No.4174115

Well, is there any tips you have, or any starting points to help me out?

>> No.4174118

>I ran a sync signal along with the component, and its still has the problem. So it doesn't seem to be a problem with the sync
The cable is basically an antenna that can pick up interference. The ferrite choke helps filter out the interference. If interference is your problem, running a separate sync line will not help you.

>> No.4174119

Alright, I dug up a cable with a ferrite choke, and sadly, it still didn't work.

>> No.4174120

Well, PVM's generally have a lot of discrete components that control major circuits. If you can diagnose general electrical faults (bad caps, transistors, MOSFETS, etc) you should be able to repair it. If it's something major like the flyback or an integrated chip, you might be out of luck.

>> No.4174127

I guess it's time to download the service manual and start looking at the circuitry.
You can also open the monitor and look for obviously damaged components.

>> No.4174159

Welp, I figured out the problem. I just had to adjust the vertical hold. Now it's perfect. I'm sorry for tarding up the place. I'll go to sleep now.

>> No.4174164

hot babes
health care

>> No.4174170

Oh, I forgot to say, even though it ended up being in vein, thank you so much for trying to help me.

>> No.4174764

What TV is that?

>> No.4174770

Beovision MX4000

Thicc scanlines

>> No.4174935
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Got a delivery today.

No, not the games.

>> No.4174937
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What could it be?

>> No.4174940
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Oooh, Van Damme cable...

>> No.4174942
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Oh, seller described it as 5-way...


>> No.4174945
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Things are looking up.

Must've been a misprint on the sheathing?

>> No.4174949
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But wait, there's more underneath...

>> No.4174953
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Evolution brand this time...

>> No.4174957
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...but still high grade 5-way mini coax cable eminently suitable for making custom vidya cables.

>> No.4174980
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Got a bunch of SCART and BNC connectors too, just need to track down proprietary console ones...and some way of routing audio signals in a smallish cross-section or these things are going to be python thick...

Whole lot cost me less than £20 btw. 130m of the cable and 50 each of the SCART and BNC connectors.

>> No.4176353

meh cable

goly cable

>> No.4176378
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>all this PVM hate

Can't we all get along? CRT is CRT.

>> No.4176391

It's pretty much personal preference.

That's why it's hated. Age old:
>stop liking what I don't like
>stop hating what I like

>> No.4176394

Got an SFC and an SFC Jr, and I'm amazed how much sharper the Jr is. Going back and forth make the regular feels like it has a veil of butter.

>> No.4176404

Yeah but heritage =/= speaking your shit tier language.

>> No.4176414
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SCART a cute. CUTE!
RGB on consumer sets/devices and PAL60 really are comfy.

I like how nobody even replied to your posts, as there is no argument about it.

>> No.4176810
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Which do you prefer?

>> No.4176812
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>> No.4176831
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RA looks a tad warmer than the RZ, but the RZ looks better focused.

Those dot or slot?

>> No.4176836

dot-trio. rz has a higher line count (650 vs 500 iirc.) Ikegami recently redid their website to be less 2005 and more 2012, unfortunately they purged all their old pages which actually had a lot of useful information on them.

Hopefully they're restored in time, they had patchwork fixes for issues listed too that seem to have disappeared. At least their support is responsive.

>> No.4176837

Would a Sony pvm 2030 be good for displaying nes through psx games? Is $30 a fair price for one?

>> No.4176840

yes and yes. $200 is a fair price for them.

>> No.4176861

Most appreciated

>> No.4176864
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>500 iirc
Depending on what page, pamphlet, or chart you looked at, Ikegami listed the RA at both 500 and 550tvl for whatever reason. The RZ does definitely have a somewhat higher tier tube though.

I really am wondering if my 14-17RA is the odd one out here in having a slot mask rather than the dot triad that the 4 or 5 other people with them I've asked have. If you ever open it up, mind telling me the make and model of the tube it uses?

>> No.4176895

sure, I'll pop it open in a few hours. I'm shipping the RA out soon. Want me to look in the RZ too?

>> No.4176898
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Sure, why not.

>> No.4176997
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We got a panasonic tube in the 17ra

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And chunghwa tube in the 17rz. Not familiar with the brand but the actual quality of the picture is outstanding. If its some chinese shit it doesn't come off like it.

>> No.4177018

Would I need any special cables or converters? All I have is rf for my nes, and component (I think) for a snes and playstation. Also, I've heard they don't have speakers/audio, is this true and do you recommend something?

>> No.4177029

if they do have speakers, the speakers are shit. if you need temporary ones just get walmart (black spider) pc speakers, an rca to 3.5mm phono and you're good.

the take composite but you're going to want to get better solutions, and rgb is very accessible with the ps1, just as an example. (just buy the guncon breakout adapter, like 10 bucks on ebay, use ps2 component cables, and receive sync from the yellow composite and you have $15 RGB PS1/PS2 on your PVM)

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i forgot this one had that d-sub style rgb connector, you'll need a special adapter to get rgb out of consoles with that, but it's still a really solid solution. Otherwise you have composhit and s-video. I wouldn't bother with the composite but you've got two very useful connectors here that you should get your mileage out of, and if the monitor is costing you $30, you've got a huge head start on everyone else who would spend like 300 bucks on these things.

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can i play too?

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all i have for now, it's on a 20L2MD

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pretty much do what this anon says >>4161289

also get a pair of moving gloves to help (Mechanix gloves are the best but expensive). they don't slip around on your hands like the cheapo gardening glove style ones. If you cant get a dolly, put it on some cardboard to slide it across the floor, and or up the stairs with the help of one or two other people.

or do vid related
https://www dot youtube.com/watch?v=_ouZyDiT6DM

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>> No.4177182

This makes me moist.

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All this talk of bumping CRTs up stairs single-handedly on a sack barrow makes me wonder how many of the geometry and convergence issues people on here seem to suffer from could be avoided by not transporting them in such a retarded fashion.

Moving any CRT bigger than 20" from one floor to another is a two man job. No exceptions.

>> No.4177241

Sound weirdly faded out on my ~85 SONY consumer set last nite after 10 minutes of play, came back after I power cycled it. Bad caps? TV going to explode? Any help is appreciated. I mean I'd rather the sound die than the tube, so it's not a huge deal, but I thought it was unusual.

>> No.4177284


would anyone even take it in ??

>> No.4177326

I've got 3 crt repair shops within 5 miles.

Medium-sized city in the UK.

>> No.4177341

>Moving any CRT bigger than 20" from one floor to another is a two man job. No exceptions.
Pfft, I can move a 27" on my own.

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Up and down stairs? Safely?


>> No.4177545

>moving gloves
Please do this anon! When I was picking up my 36inch I went bare. During the lifting process I put it down and slid my finger out, before I knew it I was missing a massive chunk of my index finger and couldn't even play my vidya for about 2 months

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>tfw your teacher is destroyed

>> No.4177957

Any bump large enough to affect geometry or convergence would almost certainly cause massive damage to the chassis. Any issues are far more likely to be caused by the TV facing a different direction in relation to the earth's magnetic field.

>> No.4178548

anyone here have last crt (vga) monitor models by manufacturers ?

>> No.4178553

>Moving any CRT bigger than 20" from one floor to another is a two man job. No exceptions.
I can easily hold a 24" CRT up and carry it upstairs, I did with my Trinitron

t. fat neet

>> No.4178568

Not me, but if you want them to get the best, most advanced models, you won't. LCD was in, costs had to come down and corners were cut. The last Mitsubishi Diamond Pro's, for example, don't have the clarity or colour or build quality of earlier models.

>> No.4178574


stay pencil-necked, nerd

>> No.4178579

Where from? I'd love to get me some good multi-way coax cable but round here VGA cable is like $3 a metre.

>> No.4178580

I have a Dell P990 and a Sony GDM-FW900. What do you want to know?

>> No.4178584

The price going up like that is crazy, though. That's the retro market. Not like a heap of people suddenly needed them for master monitors.

>> No.4178591

>Sony GDM-FW900
Not a "last" VGA CRT, it's from 2001.

Also the tube is a huge letdown for a Sony Trinitron.

>> No.4178592

>5-way mini coax cable eminently suitable for making custom vidya cables.
Why would you use 5-way cable?You need 4 for video after all.

>> No.4178594

1) R
2) G
3) B
4) Sync
5) Either switching line or dedicated ground if you don't want ground loops.

>> No.4178595

Mine was manufactured 2004.

It's hardly disappointing. The sharpness and colours are pretty much perfect. What more do you need when it can do 1440p? The P990 is also in my opinion the perfect emulation CRT- 240p and 480p look absolutely stunning on it.

>> No.4178597

>The P990 is also in my opinion the perfect emulation CRT- 240p and 480p look absolutely stunning on it.
The P990 is a comfy monitor indeed.

>> No.4178598

>dedicated ground
Wouldn't outer braid shield work for this task?

>> No.4178618

>Scaling all the weird resolutions games from that era ran at to the correct aspect ratio.

Aspect ratio isn't exactly right. Scaling a CPS1 title to 640x480, for example, would still give you a 4:3 image. It's more about only having to install like 10 "Super" resolutions and covering pretty much everything you could ever want to do regarding emulation. Saves shitloads of install and configuration time in (Groovy)MAME, and lets your system find modes faster when it needs to.

>pack that scan with all of the data possible to prevent colour bleeding horizontally
Not really. This is RGB we're talking about, and any monitor with either a gun short or neckboard transistor issues won't give a shit and will keep bleeding.

>> No.4178621

Sorry, using super resolutions looks just like the real thing, of course. That's the first point to note.

>> No.4178625

should have said other than sony, already have an FW900.
Like, offerings from iiyama, lg, viewsonic...
with size equal or above 19"

>> No.4178636

>Wouldn't outer braid shield work for this task?
>what is ground loop

>> No.4178638

an entire coax for ground is still pretty stupid

>> No.4178641

Why? You don't want the outer shield to be connected to ground on both sides. You also don't want ground to pick up stray interference. Also some video chips use their out ground out that's not at all recommended to be unified with the system wide ground.
Start making your own cables are you will learn quickly.

>> No.4178645

He got a good deal on a 5 way coaxial cable, it doesn't matter if it's just a spare isolated wire for ground or a coaxial one. If any, the coaxial one might be more beneficial.

>> No.4178651

>any monitor with either a gun short or neckboard transistor issues won't give a shit and will keep bleeding.
yes, any monitor with either a gun short or neckboard transistor issue

>> No.4178653

>shield as ground

>> No.4178660

Every SVGA cable ever uses shield as ground (in addition to ground from coax lines of course).
Why is that wrong? I'd like to understand more on this topic.

>> No.4178670

Your best bet is a LaCie Electron Blue. they're not too uncommon and they're pretty stunning. Up there with some of the best CRTs ever made. 22" too.

>> No.4178672

>Every SVGA cable ever uses shield as ground (in addition to ground from coax lines of course).
No good VGA cable does that, every signals own ground is in it's own coaxial cables shield and the outer shield around all the coaxial cables is only connected on one side.
Obviously shitty cables exist.

>I'd like to understand more on this topic.
The topic is ground loops. Plus the fact that some chips provide their own ground that is not meant to be joined together with common ground. It's not good to just smash all grounds into one everywhere.
There are many things to take into consideration, especially if you make your own special cables.

>> No.4178680

>and the outer shield around all the coaxial cables is only connected on one side
Is it the proper way to do it? When usin dedicated line for ground, like >>4178594 anon is going to do, this line should be connected to both cable sides or only to one as well?

>> No.4178681

When you look at a VGA pinout, ideally you would connect each RGB colors wires coaxial shield to it's own colors ground and the dedicated ground pin that's marked as ground on both sides to that pin and then the outer shield that's around all of those wires would connect to the metal part of the VGA connector, on one side.

>> No.4178684

That wasn't a very definitive example I did with the 1,2,3,4,5 etc.
For SCART you would use every colors own coaxial cables shield as it's own colors ground in RGB, the outermost shield around all those cables though you'd only connect to one side to the metal part of the connector. Then you could use one of the leftover wires either for mono sound or RGB switching line.

For VGA you'd do >>4178681, VGA 5 way coaxial cables usually have R,G,B,HSync,VSync plus a normal coated wire for ground, sometimes some data wires too, then you'd use the coated ground wire for both sides ground pin and the outermost shield that's around all wires connects to one side of the VGA connectors metal part.

>> No.4178687

but which hardware does have actual separate grounds. Consoles, TVs, monitors have common ground.

>> No.4178692

Yes, they have common ground, but shield, ground and common ground is not the same.
Shields should be connected on one side to the metal of the connectors.
Grounds connected to their dedicated ground pins.
Common ground is what they have in common from the power line.

This is ideally how it should be and is on high end equipment, but there's always shit devices that ignore it or you can't do much about it or cheap cables.

>> No.4178693

and pc graphic cards too.

>> No.4178694

Yes and many video chips on consoles.

>> No.4178698

Today I learned another thing. Sorry for ignorance and thank you for explanation.

>> No.4178717

Great anon.
Sorry for the bad explanation, I'm quite tired.
Generally the rule of thumb is >>4178692 that you should remember.

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Cable guy here.

I neglected to mention I also have a narrow-gauge drain line in addition to the 5 coaxials. Would this be best used as common ground or ignore it entirely and use one of the coaxials for this purpose?

>> No.4178935

game name?

>> No.4178962

Also what CRT?

>> No.4179015

I know this isn't really just /crt/ question but this shield/ground talk left me puzzled.
When it comes to single conductor cable (let's say RCA-RCA for audio) is there any difference between using:
- Coax cable with single conductor, shield as ground
- Twisted pair two conductor shielded cable with shield connected to ground on one side

>> No.4179158

I found a 1997 Belinea CRT monitor in an ab-bonded office that supposedly could do more then 2048 x 1536, cause when I ran it at that resolution the picture didn't fill the whole screen and yes I did look at picture size and width on OSD and reset it and it was still same, the laptop I was testing with didn't let me go anymore then 2048 x 1536, it does have bnc connectors

>> No.4179168

>picture didn't fill the whole screen
CRT's aren't digital displays, however much of the available display area that's filled with actual picture's determined by where the cathode gun's firing, not resolution.

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Heya chaps. In need of some advice.

So there's a BeoVision ME6000 near me for very cheap. It doesn't come with a remote however, so I was wondering if it's possible to use a universal remote with B&O TVs? Even if I could just turn the volume up and change the channel I'd be fine until I found a replacement remote.

I was also wondering the difference between ME6000 and MX6000, as I could find no good documentation online. I also looked for a list of compatible remotes for the TV with no results.

I'd be very grateful for some help here as I may not have much time to grab this. Thanks in advance

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Picked up a JVC TM-H1950CG and it got damaged in shipping... the front panel got cracked and the only buttons working are Chroma, Contrast, volume '-' and power. I'm not too bothered about the panel right now but does anyone know if the buttons are an easy fix or should I just get rid of it? Currently can't even change the input...

>> No.4179228

front panel buttons are on a separate board, it's kinda a pain in the ass to remove though.

>> No.4179241

Ty for replying. How does one remove it? Do you think it would be an easy job once I've got to the board for the buttons?

>> No.4179243

How much did you get it for that you would just get rid of it

>> No.4179253

£40, I mean since it got damaged in delivery I would get full refund but I'm a little pissed off and really want to use it and not have do deal with returns. But if its not fixable then I guess I have no other choice

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remove the case, then I think you have to disconnect some wires to slide the board (there are plastic clips around so don't force), in worst case you may have to completely slide it out. Then you can access the board, you just slide it out.

this is from a 1900 so it's missing some switches but it should be the same board.

>> No.4179287


Okay, got it. I assume the board will need replacing though, right? So I'd need to find another monitor zzz...

>> No.4179302

it might be broken traces. That's fixable

>> No.4179308

I swear my Ikegami TM20-80R is made from a solid block of metal - it's 20 inches but I can barely lift it, and had help bringing it up some stairs. The bezel frame around the CRT is a solid metal casting, for example.

>> No.4179317

Thanks. Will report back once I get the board out. Just gotta wait for a reply from the seller first.

>> No.4179327

I've got the BeoVision MX4000 and it uses a weird remote. I don't think a universial one will work.

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This kind

>> No.4179356

Picked up a Trinitron recently and the image has this sort of vibrating effect going on.
Is this a sign that it's dying?

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look at what I found near the recycling bin ,should I take it

>> No.4179405


not slightly, could be bad filter causing ripple in the power supply, if its bright and sharp then its probably ok

>> No.4179414

too bad you didn't find the jerkstore

>> No.4179426

Then again anon could just be a child who doesn't know what an interlaced signal used to look like...

Perhaps some more setup information would be helpful to aid diagnosis?

>> No.4179428

Hope you've got a sturdy enough wheelbarrow, anon

>> No.4179458

Forgot to ask... Is it possible to take the front panel off too (plastic) since it's shattered in places (as you can see in the pic). It could just be that which is stopping the buttons from working.

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So I popped in a copy of Super Dragon Ball Z, and on the title screen I noticed that the bottom left-hand corner is cut off slightly on my PVM20L2MD. After studying my set in underscan, I noticed there's some bowing towards the center on the left of the image. What can I do to fix this?

>> No.4179479

What's the easiest way to fix a pincushioned screen on a tv without a service menu?

>> No.4179663

Brandish for SNES, Mitsubishi Megaview XC3717C :~)

>> No.4179737

no, it's part of the whole bezel
You can just remove the thick label that hides unused buttons.

>> No.4179781

Sorry, I knew this. I meant is it possible to remove the whole bezel? Mine is cracked in places and would like to try repairing it (if I get the buttons working too).

>> No.4179787

well the bezel holds the tube. So I guess you could detach it and repair it with something like fiberglass if you have the know-how...

>> No.4179818

Well, it didn't end up perfectly, but I made some small adjustments to the pincushion and parallelogram settings, and it's much better than it was.

>> No.4179843

Is a Compaq s710 worth picking up? I was looking around for a PC CRT monitor and was given an offer for an unused unit in the box.

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So one of these is for sale near me for $30. Comes with stand and remote. After looking it up I am worried about the auto 16:9 with V-compression and 1080i display. Could an anon more knowledgeable on the subject advise me to pass or snatch.

>> No.4180131

Forgot to link the article...


>> No.4180143

>cheaping out on CRT postage
Hope you're happy dumbass.

>> No.4180192

Did it come in a cardboard box padded out with shredded paper by any chance?

>> No.4180271

also enjoy the meme anon
those are one of the worst trinitron tubes ever made

>> No.4180286

Go for it, it has the same specs as mine and I'm happy with it, you can go up to 1440x1080@60Hz

>> No.4180435

>well the bezel holds the tube
>Mine is cracked in places and would like to try repairing it (if I get the buttons working too).

H1950CG should be the same as H1900G, but the tube itself is mounted to rather sturdy metal and the front plastic uses the same bolts to fasten itself to the face of the tube; Might be a bit tricky removing it, but certainly doable; I plan to do so with my H1900G that got similarly damaged in shipping.

Auto 16:9/V-Compression isn't an issue, but the XBR450 is an HD model, an as such won't play terribly well with retro consoles. If you're interested in using it with say a Wii or PS3, perhaps, but anything else and I'd say it's a pass.

>> No.4180471


I wouldn't have got it shipped however my friend bought one from the same seller and it arrived fine. It was actually packaged extremely well... I guess UPS decided to play football with it..

>> No.4180539

Any experience with Apple's studio crt displays featuring Trinitron technology?

>> No.4180546

What's the problem?
You mean the transparent case one?

>> No.4180550

No, the earlier 21" model. I'm just trying to gauge it's quality. There's one for sale and it seems like a respectable display.

>> No.4180554

Aside from some using an odd all in one connector for power and video, they'd make decent monitors.

Some are Trinitrons, and others use Diamondtrons; Both should give the same general look though.

>> No.4180810

Question about custom cables.
If cable shield is only connected at one side, should it be console side or display/switch/upscaler side?

>> No.4180832

You can't access ANY of the monitor controls (colour balance, geometry etc) without a Mac, so there's that...

>> No.4180928

Eizo F980

>> No.4181148

It also has to do with how big you are. I've sold a 27 inch to some chubby kid who was like 6'2, he was big enough to just hug it and walk down some stairs.

I can carry a 20 inch consumer, or p/bvm no problem. But once they start getting bigger than that there's only so much I can carry before the tv starts getting to be bigger than me!

>inb4 Manlet
I'm average at 5'9

>> No.4181587

Exactly, and proper handles make a MASSIVE difference.

I can lug 20" BVMs up and down stairs all day long. 27" Profeel is getting difficult but still doable. My PVM-2950 weighs as much as I do but I can move it. However a 25" consumer set, despite being far lighter, defeats me as the weight is horribly unbalanced and there's simply no way to get a decent grip on it.

>> No.4181690

why are all of the WEGAs that I find on Craigslist 32" and above? I just want a nice medium size one that I can actually carry up the steps

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>> No.4181996


I love random cheap CRTs, they produce some of the most interesting images.

I found this 13 Inch Durabrand TV in my alley, single mono composite input on the front, and that's it. Been using it as my SNES monitor for a week or so now, the bright, colorful, but fuzzy image is super nostalgic for me; in a way my PVM can't match.

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Forgot pic

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I got a PVM-14L1. How bad did I fuck up desu senpai?

>> No.4182229

How much did you pay for it?

>> No.4182246

You only fucked up if you overpaid for a PVM without RGB support. Should be good for any consoles or retro computers that have either composite or s-video as highest quality output natively.

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>> No.4182336


150 $

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