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Why do so many people in /vr/ hate the N64? Is it because it didn't have that many JRPGs? Or you were poor at the time to afford one and its games? Maybe you didn't have friends to experience couch multiplayer? Or is it just jealously?

And please don't come with "the n64 only has 5 good games hurr durr" because it just shows how much you don't know about the console.

>> No.4142627

>>4142621
I had one and it was a shitty console with no games that run them all on 20-15fps

Also that shitty controller

>> No.4142631

It ok if you have n64 and ps1.
But if you have only n64,it nightmare in 90'

>> No.4142640

>>4142621

small library
virtually no 2d games
the majority of 3d games on the system are untextured & all look the same as a result
early 3d has aged horribly in general
shitty controller

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>>4142621
All of the above.

Plus, the n64 only has like 3 good games. Not including the Zeldas.

>> No.4142645

Cartridge, shitty textures, vaseline filter, no soundchip

>> No.4142649

>>4142621
on a scale from 1 to tumblr, how butthurt are you?

>> No.4142650

>>4142640
>aged

>> No.4142740

>>4142640
>small library
how many fucking games do you need?
N64 was my console from the age of 12-16, and I never felt it lacking in games. Goldeneye lasted me until Perfect Dark, which saw me through to the end of the generation.
then all of the nintendo and rare platformers, zelda, rogue squadron, wayne gretzky

4 player games were fucking magic too

More than enough to keep occupied whilst juggling my time with the rest of life, school, friends, family etc

>> No.4142754

Knowing what we know now, if I could go back in time and had to choose between N64 or a PS I would go with N64 again. I love my Final Fantasies and Mega Max Xs but N64 has legit masterpieces.

>> No.4142756

>Is it because it didn't have that many JRPGs?
Yeah, along with every other genre besides platforming.

>Or you were poor at the time to afford one and its games? Maybe you didn't have friends to experience couch multiplayer? Or is it just jealously?
Nope. I enjoy being able to save to a memory card rather than the game itself. And having a much better library. And a controller that doesn't feel awkward.

But I get it. Some people just like eating shit.

>> No.4142758

>>4142621
Im debating trading my n64 collection for dreamcast. Even have the orange n64

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Anti-Nintendo bias, and some people genuinely don't really know the catalog much besides the usual (mario, zelda), hence the "only 5 games" meme.
Many people around here just like to hate on it because it's a "normie" console, whatever that means.

>> No.4142765

>>4142758
What N64 games do you have? I'd be willing to trade DC stuff for N64 games.

>> No.4142791

>>4142621
I grew up with an n64 and I really like the console but it just doesn't even compare to PlayStation library, even the multi platform games like resident evil 2, tony hawk, and mega man legends/64 are better on the PlayStation platform. The n64 had great games but the issue is that the best games for the console were still better on PlayStation.

>> No.4142793

>>4142791
>even the multi platform games like resident evil 2, tony hawk, and mega man legends/64 are better on the PlayStation platform

Debatable. Not sure about Tony Hawk I never played those, but RE2 on N64 is better than the versions on PS1 (but not better than the later versions for PC and 6th gen systems), and Mega Man 64 has some cons, but also some pros over the PS1 version, but ultimately both are about the same, I'd even give the edge to the N64 ver due to no loading times alone. PC version of Legends is still the best though.
>the best games for the console were still better on PlayStation.
The best games on N64 were exclusive.

>> No.4142803

N64 came out at a bad time. Computer gaming was making leaps and bounds, especially the 3DFX Glide games. Multiplayer made the separation even greater.

>> No.4142807

>>4142803
I think it was more like the right time, Voodoo 3dfx cards were in their baby steps in 1996, and were released after the N64 (if we talk consumer products).

>> No.4142808

>>4142765
I have about 65 games not too many main titles missing from my collection

>> No.4142809

>>4142808
I only have 16 DC games, but I have some good ones like Power Stomp 1 and 2.
Do you have the Goemon games?

>> No.4142812

>>4142809
Stone*

>> No.4142819

Two hundred ninety six games.

>> No.4142826

>>4142809
Yes, what else do you have?

>> No.4142836

>>4142621
I don't hate the n64. I hate its fans.
Also besides racing genre (which was everywhere that gen) and a couple of treasure games there's nothing for me on the console.

>> No.4142837

>>4142826
RE: Code Veronica, Sonic Adventure1 and 2, Virtua Tennis, Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur, Power Stone 1 and 2, Dead or Alive 2, Ready2Rumble, Spiderman, MDK2, Unreal, MKGold, 4 wheel thunder, Blitz 2000

I know many of them are that great, but I'd be willing to trade anything for the 2nd Goemon N64 game.

>> No.4142840

>>4142836
>I hate its fans.
I feel you there, honestly I feel this way about pretty much every console, fanboys are so annoying.

>> No.4142841

>>4142837
Dont sell yourself short those are good games.
How do i contact you?

>> No.4142851

>>4142841
myuraou at gmail
by the way I'm not from USA so shipping may be expensive, buy I'm willing to pay for it if necessary. (my games are NTSC-U though so don't worry)

>> No.4142858

>>4142621
It's due to nintendo revisionists.

>> No.4142859

>>4142793
>but RE2 on N64 is better than the versions on PS1

kek

>> No.4142862

A good rule of thumb with N64 games, if you've never played an N64 game in your entire life and coming to them blindly, is to play ones made by Nintendo themselves or by Rare. 1st Party Nintendo games and Rare games are arguably the best the N64 has to offer.

>> No.4142864

>>4142621
>Why do so many people in /vr/ hate the N64?
50/50 shit posting for (YOU)'s and hindsight that comes off as hating it but not really.

>Is it because it didn't have that many JRPGs?
That wouldn't effect my opinion. Not a fan of many jrpgs.

>Or you were poor at the time to afford one and its games?
I definitely was(always a generation behind) but I did get one in the mid to late '00s when they were dirt cheap. Wish I would of kept it.

>Maybe you didn't have friends to experience couch multiplayer?
I did. Many nights playing Mario Kart & Goldeneye.

>Or is it just jealously?
Definitely not. Let's be real. Nintendo dropped the ball. Sega tanked themselves so 5th gen should have been a slam dunk for them.

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>>4142859
Nice meme, /v/, but yeah, sorry, your PS1 version is the most barebones one. Every other version is better. And N64 version has some unique feats.

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>>4142851
Sent the email. Btw theres like 15 not pictured i believe

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>> No.4142884

>many people
I'm willing to bet it's a vocal minority.
I don't love the N64, but don't hate it either, it has good games but I'm not a big fan of 5th gen in general.

>> No.4142887

>>4142640
>aged
back to /v/

>> No.4142932

>>4142621
The games tended to look really really ugly and there wasn't much gping for it aside from Nintendo first party. Not that PS1 or Saturn looked all that great most of the time either but the game selections were better.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I think that whole generation was one of the low points. There have been some N64 gamed I had fun with but it was the only major retro console I never bought for myself and have never regretted it at all.

>> No.4142940

>>4142932
You'll regret it once N64 prices start getting even more prohibitive than already are and you discover the good games that aren't 1st party and that can't be properly emulated.

>> No.4142953

>>4142940
I'm plenty familiar with the N64 library, the few games I cared to try I did long ago. If I'd ever wanted one I would have bought one. I've nothing against Nintendo and most of their consoles are great, but that's just one that has never appealed to me.

Really though there are only a handful of games from that whole generation I'm interested in still playing at this point.

>> No.4142957

>>4142621
>the n64 only has 5 good games hurr durr
10, at a stretch

>> No.4142958

>>4142957
That's not even the amount of good games on 5th gen.

>3 good games on Saturn
>3 good games on N64
>1 good game on PS

7 games total.

>> No.4142963

>>4142621
Shitty video signal, I don't like the controller and it doesn't have too many rpg's, 2D or obscure stuff.

It's not like I hate it though, I just preffer Ps1 and Saturn.

>> No.4143048

>>4142958
Lol name the games

>> No.4143097

>>4142631

I grew up in the 90's having only a snes and n64 until 2005. The n64 was the console I played the most. I never felt like I didn't have good games to play. Actually the other kids that only had the ps1 were the ones always coming to my house to play n64 and not the other way around.

>> No.4143110

>>4142645

>cartridge
That's actually a positive point. No loading times and games work like brand new even nowadays.

>shitty textures, vaseline filter
filters that give a personality to n64 graphics and made them in general age better than ps1 graphics

>no soundchip
sure, a problem only noticeable in multiplayer games with 3 or 4 people... which other consoles couldn't even do.

>> No.4143115

>>4142621
It had all the best wrestling games of the 5th gen and tons of cool FPSes and stuff like Cruis'n and Mario Kart. I fucking loved it. Definitely preferred it over the PS1, which was too single-player focused for me as a kid. Saturn was better than both though.

>> No.4143120

>>4142791

The only thing going for mutiplats on the ps1 was FMV cutscenes. Which I would always skip anyways.

Resident evil 2 was better on the N64 and that not even debatable. Megaman legends was the exactly same game (the n64 having no loading and no jittering graphics was a plus actually). Tony haws I agree that it was better on the ps1 because of the sound track.

>> No.4143123

>>4143120
>Resident evil 2 was better on the N64 and that not even debatable

This fucking guy again

>> No.4143139

>>4143110
I agree on the carts speed but N64 textures look awful and most of the 3d games on it never looked good. PS was on the same posiotion though, it's 3d games look pretty bad ad well.

That's why i say tjis gen was a low point. Everyone wad moving to 3d but none of it looked good yet. There are still some great games from that era, but overall it was a rough one.

In my opinion it wasn't till 360/ps3 that ed graphics were finally good enough to stand up to great 2d art.

>> No.4143159

hnnng n64 hnnng
fapfapfapfapfap

>> No.4143160

>>4142621
the controller sucked ass and PS1 had many better games

>> No.4143172

>>4143139

>In my opinion it wasn't till 360/ps3 that ed graphics were finally good enough to stand up to great 2d art.

I agree with that. Somehow the ps2 era graphics bother me more maybe because of the "uncanney valley" and I also felt they had less colors. 3D graphics really became good on the 360/ps3 era, but what did we get then? Games always trying to look realistic and laking in art style. Games now all look the same as well because of that.

>> No.4143173

>>4143160
N64 really is the worst controller of all time. Original PSX was pretty shit too though and it's D-pad is ass for fighters.

>> No.4143174

>>4143115
Childhood is when you idolize the N64

Adolescence is when you favor the Playstation

Adulthood is when you realize that the Saturn was the best all along

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I actually never got an N64 until I was a senior in HS. Didn't feel like there were many fun games for it, at least to me. Glad my parents got me a PS1 when I was younger instead. Never would have learned of MGS1, SOTN, or Spyro otherwise.

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>>4143172
>Games always trying to look realistic and laking in art style

That's where we disagree. There were a lot of brown and bloom shooters, but lots of beautiful games as well. I think PS2/CG looked better and some games still look great that work with the limits like ZoE2 and Wind Waker. But on the whole they still looked kind of jenky.

>> No.4143201

Nintendo made a mistake by shying away from 2D games on N64. Mischief Makers would feel more at home on PS1

>> No.4143210

>>4143123
>implying it's only one guy
NESfag, why do you shill for the PS1 version of RE2? Given the choices, PS1 is the least version you'd want to play, since every other re-release of RE2 was better, including N64.
There's no reason to play the original on PS1 with the least amount of features and longest loading times.

>> No.4143212 [DELETED] 

>>4142621
Jrpg is not a genre.

>> No.4143213

>>4143201
>Mischief Makers would feel more at home on PS1
Not with only 4 face buttons.
If anything, MM could have been fine on Saturn, but it's fine on N64.

>> No.4143217

>>4143173
>N64 really is the worst controller of all time.
Far from it.
N64 controller is weird, odd, but I actually think it's pretty good. Good ergonomic grip, nice amount of buttons, the Z trigger is still great, and the 3D Stick, while flawed because it gets loose (although apparently japanese controllers don't suffer from this, or less than the western ones), is still one of the most accurate analog controls out there. My 2 old ass N64 controllers have the sticks very loose due to hours of Mario Party with friends, but even in that state they are better to play games like Starfox than using Gamecube or Xbox controllers, which analog sticks have much less precision.

>> No.4143232

>>4143217
>Good ergonomic grip
Now I know you're trolling

>> No.4143235

>>4143232
What's the problem with the N64's grip?

>> No.4143317

>>4143217
N64 controller apologists are so delusional and uninformed.

>> No.4143323

>>4143317
People that attack the N64 controller just because it's a controller for a system called the N64 are the fucking worst

>> No.4143324

>>4143317
>if you enjoy its features, even though you recognize its flaws, you are a N64 controller apologists
Yeah man, we apologists are so mean, telling lies so that people will buy the N64 controllers we've been scalping.

>> No.4143352

no good fighters
no good racers

>> No.4143362

>>4143352
F-zero X and extreme G

>> No.4143364

>>4142621
When I got money and had to make a choice between either an N64 and a PSX, I rented an N64 for a week and some games...then bought a PSX...no ragerts.

I barely even emulate that shit now because there's nothing on it that interests me other than Wonder Project J2...I hate the way N64 does 3d so much.

>> No.4143376

>>4143352
You're right on fighters, it has a critical absence of classic 2D fighting franchises like Street Fighter, which was one of the flagship 3rd party titles on SNES.
It has a couple good fighting games though, but only a handful. KI Gold being probably the most well known one, and maybe the best one (not counting Smash because "not a real fighting game", etc).
Flying Dragon can actually be pretty fun if you play SD mode, and regular mode isn't that much worse than your average early 3D fighting game like VF1 or Toshinden, but the real meat there is SD mode.
Rakuga Kids is also worth checking out if you enjoy weird fighting games like Waku Waku, the sprite animations here are insanely fluid.
But, basically, yeah, N64 is not a good console for fighters.
Racers though? You're wrong, it's one of the best racing systems, at least retro-wise.

>> No.4143382

>>4143352
Clay fighters, bio freaks, killer instinct, mortal kombat

>> No.4143392

>>4143382
Clay Fighters is one of the worst games ever made.

>> No.4143394

>>4142621
I had it growing up and I still hated it. I never gave a shit about collectathons, so there's goes every Rare game, all the GOOD fighting series just moved to the PSX and Saturn, RPGs were pretty much none existent, etc. It's ok I guess if you're a big 1st party Nintendo fan and only that, but the N64 got left out of so many fucking games that it's retarded to defend it now.

>> No.4143395

>>4143394
>so there's goes every Rare game
You never played Blast Corps?

>> No.4143409

>>4143376
ugh Rakugakids is on par with other konami fighters: very mediocre.
https://youtu.be/ejQ8KivIoa8
still notable being one of the few 2d games on the console.

>> No.4143417

>>4142621
Goldeneye
Mario 64
Smash Bros
Zelda
Banjo Kazooie
O baby

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>>4143376
>>4143409
So, is this the Street Fighter 64?

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Had an N64 early on, but it became clear you required too much side shit and that the games were about playing them in short bursts and weren't trying to keep your attention long term

Then I played Resident Evil 2 - literally everything changed when I saw games could be more than Goldeneye or Mario 64 or Mario Kart. A year later I got a PS1 with RE3 and Dino Crisis, then soon got MGS1 and Chrono Cross.

I didn't get to play Symphony of the Night until the Xbox 360 XBLA version, and was pissed I played those two awful N64 Castlevanias in my childhood instead.

>> No.4143442

>>4142621

they never had one at the time

>> No.4143445

>>4143438
Basically you wanted cinematic experiences instead of games

>> No.4143446

>>4143438
>but it became clear you required too much side shit

By that I mean things like the rumble pack, the memory card and the expansion pack. Oh and a single new game was very fucking expensive.

>> No.4143449

>>4143445
SOTN isn't a cinematic experience. The N64 Castlevania games were the ones trying to be cinematic experiences (terrible ones with 0 voice acting too.)

>> No.4143467

>>4143449
>SOTN isn't a cinematic experience
What is a man?

>The N64 Castlevania games were the ones trying to be cinematic experience
>cinematic experience
>0 voice acting
Does not compute

>> No.4143468

>>4143445
Lol

>> No.4143471

>>4143467
Not him but are you really saying that a few short dialog sequences make an action platformer into a cinematic non-game?

>> No.4143473

I don't get why Nintendo fanboys can't grasp why everything past SNES is shit. Remove Nintendo developed games and Rare developed games. What's left that's actually a quality game? Maybe 5 games tops. It's a system with piss poor variety. This is coming from someone that likes the 64, too.

>> No.4143476

>>4143473
I despise n64 but the 3ds is a beast of a system with an awsome library.

>> No.4143480

>>4143468
Lament of innocence wasn't as bad as most people say, but not retro.
>>4143449
CV64 isn't as cinematic as Metal Gear Solid (which is what I think the other anon might have implied, because you're right, SOTN is in no way "cinematic")
>>4143473
>This is coming from someone that likes the 64, too.
But you just said it's shit? Also, anti-N64 fanboys aren't any better than N64 fanboys, you just thinkg everything N64 is shit, and they thing anything N64 is great, no real difference.
If you think there's only 5 good 3rd party N64 games, you must do your homework harder.

I don't know why we're having a lot of N64 or 5th gen in general threads all of a sudden... did something happen? A youtuber made a "controversial" video or something?

>> No.4143483

>>4142621

I only ever played it at various friends' houses. Goldeneye 64 was awesome, StarFox 64 was great, and watching Mario 64 was decently fun, and Perfect Dark had some good multiplayer, but that was about it. It was eclipsed by better options. The controller was a nightmare, so basically anything ported from other systems were just bad versions of their originals (Doom, Quake, etc), My first console was a PS1 when my brother (who is 18 years older than I am) gave me his when he got the first Xbox. I grew up on PC games, so I was used to the ease of use of a mouse and keyboard configuration, and that absolute garbage controller just kind of ruined the N64 for me.

Smash Bros. was great though.

>> No.4143487

>>4143483
Doom on N64 is a completely different game than Doom on PC or the other console ports of the original Doom.

>> No.4143491

>>4143487

I'm aware. I've played it. But it's still bad Doom. The handling is garbage, and the Unmaker (the extra weapon they threw in to try and make up for the shortcomings) just doesn't compensate enough.

>> No.4143493

>>4143473
What no. The N64 is average compared to everything else in its gen but every other Nintendo console besides the Wii U were still ok to amazing. The N64 did have a shit ton of flaws, but it isn't outright shit considering Nintendo made some amazing 1st party games for it.
>>4143480
>I don't know why we're having a lot of N64 or 5th gen in general threads all of a sudden... did something happen? A youtuber made a "controversial" video or something?
Been wondering that too. I wouldn't be surprised the burst came from YouTube, considering after MLiG made a Saturn video a thread popped up about the Saturn.

>> No.4143497

>>4143491

If they had made Doom 64 under a different title, it might have been better, actually. It was different enough that they could have gotten away with it. The monsters look considerably different, as do the weapons, and none of the levels are the same.

Doom 64 is to Doom what Daikatana is to id Software overall.

>> No.4143498

>>4142621
>n /vr/ hate the N64? Is it because it didn't have that many JRPGs? Or you were poor at the time to afford one and its games? Maybe you didn't have friends to experience couch multiplayer? Or is it just jealously?
> And please don't come with "the n64 only has 5 good games hurr durr" because it just shows how much you don't know about the console.
>>>
>Anonymous 07/24/17(Mon)04:37:23 No.4142627▶
>>4142621 (OP)
Not to dump on nintendo but after SNES they started experimenting with really gimmicky ideas, and the N64 was just the beginning.

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>>4142640
>early 3d has aged horribly in general
low poly is best poly

>> No.4143503

>>4143498
What the fuck was gimmicky about the N64?

>> No.4143506

>>4143491
>>4143497
I really like Doom 64 - especially that opening cutscene. There weren't enough horror games on the N64, while the PS1 was experiencing a renaissance so it was a nice experience before I got RE2 and moved onto the PS1.

>> No.4143508

>>4143503
>You need this expansion pack to play these specific games

Also the whole disk drive debacle that thankfully never made it here.

>> No.4143514

>>4143508
By your logic the Sega Genesis is the most gimmicky console of all time, dumb shit

>> No.4143516

>>4143480
I can't like something while acknowledging that it's shit?

>> No.4143517

>>4143503
>What the fuck was gimmicky about the N64?
The controller with the c-directional buttons, central joystick and a rear mounted z button. The whole way you hold that thing goes against the conventions of the standard controller. Who the fuck designed that monstrosity?

>> No.4143518

>>4143514
That wasn't me making the argument in the first place, but yes you'd be right. Then again all these companies have done stupid gimmicky shit - it's just the N64 where they seemed relentless about it.

>> No.4143521

>>4142740
>how many fucking games do you need?
like 25 per year desu

>> No.4143523

>>4142621
even the sms has more worth playing exclusives than n64, and that's saying soething

>> No.4143524

>>4143235
He's probably a handlet

>> No.4143525

>>4143508
>You need this expansion pack to play these specific games
So the PS1's memory card was a gimmick in itself by this logic.

>> No.4143527

>>4142621
Glad I had one as a kid but would have wanted a PS1 if I was older

>> No.4143528

>>4143517
>The controller with the c-directional buttons
You mean the six face buttons that were standard for arcades and Sega controllers?

>central joystick
Every controller up to that point with a joystick (think Atari) had it centralized

>The whole way you hold that thing
You don't hold it with your fucking feet or anything weird like that. You just have two ways of holding it. One that favors the joystick and one that favors the D-Pad. Hardly a gimmick. Basically two "standard" controls at once.

The real definition of a controller gimmick is the second thumbstick on the Dualshock controller, considering about 5 PS1 games out of like 4000 actually used it.

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>>4142740
>how many fucking games do you need?

You ever rented games, nigga?

Renting SNES games was awesome - seemed like a shelf of new games you never saw before every week

Then renting games on the N64, I went through the good games pretty quickly and was renting garbage like Fighter's Destiny and Hybrid Heaven. (But also rented good games like the first Goemon and Mischief Makers)

What made it obvious how shitty the N64 library was, was that there was no good RPGs to re-rent over and over like there was on the SNES and (eventually when I got it) the PS1

>> No.4143537

>>4143506

Eh, maybe it's just my years of playing PC Doom, but I just couldn't stand Doom 64. It just didn't FEEL like Doom to me. It felt like a fan game at best. I mean, I grew up on Doom. My brother's 18 years older than I am, and I was about five years old when Doom came out on PC. So when he came home from college between semesters for holiday breaks, I would sit and watch him play, and I would play when he was away. Doom on the PC was really my first real game, so it really set the standard for me, and I really can't accept any substitutes or variants.

>> No.4143548

>>4143528
>You mean the six face buttons that were standard for arcades and Sega controllers?
That was designed with arcade ports in mind, the games existed before the controller was designed. Nintendo had no reason for the c-buttons, the process was completely revered the built the games around the controller.

>Every controller up to that point with a joystick (think Atari) had it centralized
Yes and that controller had one button in a corner. The 64 controller had a d-pad, four c-directional buttons, , standard nintendo a, b buttons, a start button, two trigger buttons and a rear mounted z button, ignoring the d-pad thats ten buttons scattered around the controller, some of which were ridiculously placed.

>You just have two ways of holding it. One that favors the joystick and one that favors the D-Pad.
Most N64 games favored the joystick due to the most of them being built around the controller's odd design.

>The real definition of a controller gimmick is the second thumbstick on the Dualshock controller, considering about 5 PS1 games out of like 4000 actually used it.
I won't deny that the PS1 dual shock control was gimmicky, but the thread was specicially focusing on N64. Had this been a gimmicky PS1 thread, I would have pointed that out.

>> No.4143559

>>4143548
>Nintendo had no reason for the c-buttons, the process was completely revered the built the games around the controller.
Same fucking outcome, so where's the gimmick?

>The 64 controller had a d-pad, four c-directional buttons, , standard nintendo a, b buttons, a start button, two trigger buttons and a rear mounted z button, ignoring the d-pad thats ten buttons scattered around the controller, some of which were ridiculously placed.
And the PS1 controller had four fucking shoulder buttons. So what?

>Most N64 games favored the joystick due to the most of them being built around the controller's odd design.
No, most favored it because most of them were 3D games.

>> No.4143607

>>4142740
>N64 was my console from the age of 12-16 and I never felt it lacking in games.

Age is very important to N64 appreciation.

>> No.4143612

>>4143559
>Same fucking outcome, so where's the gimmick?
Not the same, the arcade games existed and were ported. Had Sega not built the controller around existing arcade style games, they would have used a similar configuration to the SNES controller scheme for arcade classics. The games for N64 did not exist before the system and controller. Had Nintendo gone with a controller design similar to the SNES and NES then the design of the N64 games would have been completely different, with many of the mechanics stripped out completely. Thats the difference, arcade ports would have lost few if any mechanics, where as the reverse can not be said for N64.

>And the PS1 controller had four fucking shoulder buttons. So what?
True but the PS1 did not have rear monted buttons and a wonky design.

>No, most favored it because most of them were 3D games.
True, but it can be done without a joystick. That fact is that the N64 and its games are built around the controller.

Why did Nintendo design the N64 controller, in such a wonky way, when Microsoft and Sony both managed to design similarly functioning controllers in a more standard design?
It's because they avoided the gimmicky second directional pad, centrally mounted joystick and rear mounted buttons, the require extra dexterity and instead chose a dual joystick design that compliments the controller not redesigning the whole thing from scratch.

>> No.4143616

because the only good non-nintendo games for the system are goemon's great adventure and mischief makers

>> No.4143618

>>4143616
>MUH 2D

kys

Mystical Ninja is great

>> No.4143620

>>4143607
not him but as an adult I'd still choose N64 over PSX any day. literally the only thing PSX had over N64 that I was interested in was survival horror shit. I don't give a shit about RPG shite a la Final Fantasy et al, that shit is AIDS

>> No.4143624

>>4143618
2d will always be superior, anon jr

>> No.4143639

>>4143620
Someone has a grudge against RPGs, those were my bread and butter growing up. As an adult I still choose PSX over N64 (had Starfox and Zelda as the only thing that interested me).

>> No.4143647

>>4143620
>not him but as an adult
> I don't give a shit about RPG shite a la Final Fantasy et al, that shit is AIDS

Fucking hilarious is what that is.

>> No.4143664

>>4143620
I was already an adult when they were released and N64 is the one major console I never bothered to get due to a combination of it's graphics and library.

I don't have anything against kid friendly/oriented games in general, but that system specifically didn't have a ton that interested me.

I'm far from a fan of the Playstation though. It got some great games, but there's a lot I never liked about it.

>> No.4143668 [DELETED] 

anyone members that pokeman accident in japan where the kids gettin too much hype and flipped to the hospital?im too lazy for sauce and its too long ago but maybe those kids have never forgotten it.

>> No.4143674

>>4143508
This is the average IQ of the N64 haters?

>> No.4143679

>>4143514
it is, what's your point?

>> No.4143691

>>4143679
you need a dictionary

>> No.4144592

>>4143647
RPG is for fucking retards that have never had friends that need to "roleplay" and "talk" to pixelated cartoons to feel better about life and escape their crappy existence. It wouldn't be so bad if it had good gameplay, but for some reason it's a prerequisite for every RPG to play like ass. I think this is because the developers know that their target audience sucks at life and so will no doubt suck at video games as well, so you have mechanically simple games or worse: turn based poop. I don't like the concept of grinding either. Beating an enemy should be mechanical and based on a natural skill component -- not because you've grinded 10 hours as a senior elite permavirgin wizard and now have the ability to select a potion from a menu and press X.

People who play video games primarily for story are also faggots. There are much better mediums for story, like actual books, TV shows, movies, etc. I don't relate to a retarded pixelated cartoon made for retarded manchildren and I don't "play" games to experience that shit. I play games to PLAY games. Every single core RPG made is for faggots; that goes for Final Fantasy, Mother, Morrowind, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate, Chrono Trigger, all the rest of that awful weeb shit, Deus Ex, whatever the fuck, it's ALL shit. Literally the only good RPGs I've ever played are Soulsborne and I don't even consider those RPGs; they're more action games with RPG elements. Note how they're gameplay driven (and the gameplay itself is actually decent) and don't shove the story down your face, which is everything the average RPG isn't.

Seriously what the FUCK do you get out of "talking" to pixels? I bet you watch anime too you fucking faggot.

>> No.4144602

>>4144592
Little hostile there aren't you? What did and RPG kick you puppy as a kid?

>> No.4144603

>>4144592
rpg btfo

>> No.4144609

>>4144602
worse, they kicked the pretendo 69

>> No.4144614

>>4143664
>graphics
When N64 first came out the graphics were absolutely mind blowing.
The blur never bothered me, i preferred it to the raw pixel look

>> No.4144625

>>4144592
I am an RPG fag and I admit you are right. I am less fucked up now, but I used to be real bad.

RPGs didn't help. I often felt like I wanted a choice of dialogues when talking to people in real life.

>> No.4144630

>>4144592
If this isn't a troll, I'd say you lost it, you got btfo and ranted for two paragraphs showing just how much of a fanboy you really are.

>> No.4144646

>>4143473
>remove a ton of great games and you'll see there aren't many great games
no shit

>> No.4144660

>>4144646
Try taking Sony or Sega developed/published games away from any of their console lineups. Still tons of quality third party games. You'd have to be a moron to pretend the 64 has a wide variety of quality third party games.

>> No.4144678

>>4144630
>fanboy
except I hate NES/SNES/N64 RPGs too. Fuck paper mario right in the ass. you're the moronic fanboy here if all you take away from someone hating RPGs is that he must hate them because they weren't on N64.

guess what, i had PS2, PS3 and also have a PS4 and PC. RPGs are ass on ALL of them, just like your face is desu. Again, only exceptions are Soulsbornes (DeS, DaS1 and BB are amazing) but they're hardly RPG games.

>> No.4144692

>>4144678
How am I a moronic fanboy if all I said was that you got btfo, seems like someones trying to trying to ignore the fact that he ranted like a lunatic and got called out for being an autist.

>> No.4144693

>>4144660
>Sony
>1st party
Sony's is almost non-existent or irrelevant, but Sega, yes, you'd notice something missing if suddenly you take out Sega 1st party from consoles like Master System or Saturn. But that's not a bad thing, it's a good thing. It means Sega's first party titles are meaningful.

>> No.4144704

>>4144692
>if all I said was that you got btfo
lol I literally quoted fanboy straight from your post. seems you have a serious brain defect m8, as expected from rpgfags i guess

>> No.4144707

This is why 5th gen shouldn't be allowed on /vr/.

>> No.4144729

>>4144625
you're my bae, I love you.

>> No.4144731

>>4144602
This was literally my first post in this thread. I literally came in and was greeted with this:
>>4144592

>> No.4144737

>>4144704
However I would like to meet the guy who riled up the N64 guy.

>> No.4144757

>>4144707
Too late, also SNES vs MD shitposting can get even more dense.

If anything, this is a warning of why we shouldn't allow 6th gen. We cannot go back in time to prevent 5th gen from being allowed here, but we can fight to avoid /vr/ dying. The moment 6th gen is allowed here, is the day /vr/ officially dies, and stops being a board for retro games and 2nd class /v/ shitposting for being full time console war shitposting with kids born in the early 00s.

>> No.4144762

>>4144757
>kids born in the early 00s
>implying '90s babbies aren't absolute AIDS too
Sorry you didn't get the memo but you're already a faggot.

>> No.4144764

>>4144762
I never implied 90s kids aren't terrible, but imagine if you add 00s kids to the mix, with lots of free time to defend their sweet childhood memories of playing ps2/gc/xbox and arguing over which one had the best this or that.

>> No.4144765

What kind of cancer do we have here?

>> No.4144772

>>4144764
but they're already here all over the doom general

>> No.4144773

>>4144765
Console war kind. Only chemo is idortine, but plebs can't take it without having convulsions due to brand loyalty and traumatized childhoods.

>> No.4144804

>>4144773
I see, so 5th gen war, Well no sense fanning the flames, hopefully it will just burn itself out.

>> No.4144869

>>4142621
I think the reason it gets lots of hate is:

>it was really only popular in America and kinda sorta Australia, everywhere else, even in its native Japan, its was not well received
>as a result it gets talked about a lot, being that this site is mostly Americans
>this annoys everyone else because they don't have nostalgia for N64, because they didn't grow up with it, so they don't really care about it
>PC and PS1 were the popular platforms in Europe and Japan
>some very vocal N64 fans have a very stuck up snooty attitude regarding PS1 and other consoles
>so this causes division
>the very vocal N64 fans are quick to discount anything that came out for PS1 as not being any good
>lots of people really had fun playing these games and like them
>so when these games get disregarded as being nothing, the drama starts

The thing is the stuck up attitudes need to stop, all early 3D games look like ass, and don't hold up. So fighting about which looks better is really pointless at this point. Both N64 and PS1 had fun games on them, to say one or the other has nothing isn't being honest.

All the hate is largely retarded console war shit. Still fighting about over 20 year old consoles is pretty pointless and pathetic.

>> No.4144878

>>4144869
>Still fighting about over 20 year old consoles is pretty pointless and pathetic.

This. Also I don't even understand why at this point. Just play the games you like on the system you like. Who won some imaginary war over them wouldn't matter even if it was real.

>> No.4144881

I believe the reason might actually be because the n64 emulation is ass, so a lot of people who never owned it go check out the games and find an ugly, mess that is barely playable.

>> No.4144884
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>>4144878
Enough said.

>> No.4145196

>>4142621
I'm guessing the couch multiplayer thing. It's something that can't really be replicated without a full group and it's by far the N64's biggest and most memorable advantage.

>> No.4145228

>>4145196
Yea and collecting for the n64 would suck if you have no friends. Not too many long games, the racers get old, and the fighters werent really that good. So if youre a collector on /v/, didnt play the system, and have no one to play it with, I suppose I can see why some hate it

>> No.4145230

>>4144869
>don't hold up
Kill yourself

>> No.4145249

How could anyone hate the N64? There were lots of great games for it. Here's some of em:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMD_d6dGI-U

>> No.4145258

>>4143110
>filters that give a personality to n64 graphics and made them in general age better than ps1 graphics
>imagine being this retarded

>> No.4145270

>>4145258
He's stupid by trying to defend N64 graphics in the way he did, although the general sentiment he expressed is not wrong.

One just has to gander a look at the horribly jittery, warpy, jaggy, pixelated and terribly dithered reality of PS1 graphics and what N64 offers (stable smoothness) is almost like a panacea for the eyes. That's the reason people praised N64 so much back then.

I'm convinced people that shit on N64 visuals in the modern day are comparing mature PS1 emulation which now has a fix for every issue of the original console vs the atrocity that is N64 emulation.

>> No.4145278

>>4145249
Did you really think you were going to convince people the n64 had good games by posting a shitty video that only names 5, count em FIVE of the most obvious games made for the system? Those games have already been named in this thread. If you have nothing to contribute dont post your stupid bs

>> No.4145297 [DELETED] 

>>4145278
>
dats moar gaymz then i owned back in teh day 4 dat pile of chunk

>> No.4145317

>>4142621
had a ps1 which always looked and felt better to play

>> No.4145327

>>4145317
yeah man, I always loved how I could lay back grab some popcorn and watch some beautiful FMV

pure bliss

>> No.4145341

I own an N64, and I love it to death.
Here is the reason people hate on the N64, OP:
The N64 was not only amazing in it's time, it's games are so good they have become timeless. This is a threat to the standing of the N64-hater's favorite system. They want their's to be the best, so they hate on what they see as a threat. It's middle-school console wars, /vr/ style.

>> No.4145394

>>4144592
>People who play video games primarily for story are also faggots
you lost me here. almost everything you said is objectively right, but that's a gross over generalization.

>> No.4145437

>>4145230
0/10

>> No.4145441

>>4145270
PS1 looks like dogshit, but N64 still looks even worse. Not talking emulation.

>> No.4145446

>>4145394
that's the only part he's right about though

>> No.4145447

>>4145441
>PS1 looks like dogshit, but N64 still looks even worse
Maybe only when you're talking about 2D games or games with pre-rendered backgrounds. As for 3D games it's a wash for N64.

>> No.4145467

>>4145447
I suppose we can leave it that we have different opinions, but personally I think N64 looks far, far worse. I always have. It's one of the reasons I never got it in the first place.

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>>4145467
>personally I think N64 looks far, far worse
I don't. Because this is allegedly one of the PS1's best looking 3D games.

If an N64 action-adventure game had this much fog, we would never hear the end of it from Sonyfriends.

>> No.4145484

The problem with console wars is that people stop caring about games, and only care about the system/brand.
I've seen a lot of people claim they don't like Nintendo because "not interested in collecthatons/kiddy games", but when you mention games like Wave Race or F-Zero, they ignore it, as if it doesn't exist or something.

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>>4145483
That's why I used the word personally and said we'd probably just have to agree we have different opinions.

I will say this though, I have a particular hate boner for any kind of blur which is part of why I dislike the N64 graphics so much. And why even when lag was an issue I'd rather make my games look like this than they did on a CRT.

So even with more fog, I'd take pixely jaggies over bleary smears any day. Looking at OoT on N64 practically gives me a headache. But I can totally get someone else thinking otherwise. And I'll say this, much as I think Zelda, Mario and the other full 3D world games looked awful, for some games it worked well. Smash looked good, Tetrisphere and a few others. Overall I think it looked worse than PS though.

>> No.4145493

>>4145483
I doubt people would complain about the N64 fog as much if it was used in games with a horror/post-apocalyptic setting

>> No.4145494

>>4145493
Nah they'd still shit on it. When it comes to console wars, things like "setting" isn't an argument. Console wars... console wars were a mistake.

>> No.4145505

>>4144592
heres your ((you))

>> No.4145510

>>4145492
>Overall I think it looked worse than PS though.
Whatever dude, you can delude yourself into thinking worse specs = better graphics.

It's practically the Xbone owner mantra nowdays.

>> No.4145514

>>4145510
I thought a similar mantra was present since the SMS/NES or the Game Boy/Game Gear days.

>> No.4145528

>>4145514
I never saw anyone claim that NES has better graphics than SMS, or GB to GG.
With PS1, back then, everyone could clearly see that N64 was more powerful than any other 5th gen system, and only surpassed by PC some time later.
I think this anon might be onto something though: >>4144881

>> No.4145543

>>4145528
>I never saw anyone claim that NES has better graphics than SMS, or GB to GG.
Exactly my point :)

>> No.4145571

>>4145510
You don't get the concept of individual taste, eh?

>> No.4145581

>>4142621
>Why do people hate my favorite console?
>AND DON'T EVEN -THINK- YOU CAN CRITICIZE IT

Tons of problems with the N64. Most of the problems are exactly the same as every other Nintendo console, which is everything except the 3rd party games are garbage.

>> No.4145595

>>4145483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqU4wlrSum0

>> No.4145602

>>4145595
You're proving his point, Turok is always one of the first games people point out when mentioning N64's fog.
And even Turok, as bad as it is in that regard, isn't as bas a LoK.

>> No.4145605

>>4145581
>cirticize
>EVERYTHING NINTENDO EVER DID WAS WRONG AND BAD

This is why we can't have serious discussion, you anti-Nintendo niggers are as bad as nintendrones.

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>>4145602
>>4145602
What I want to know is who's going around claiming Legacy of fucking Kain was a stand out visual title.

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>>4145625
My fucking nigga.
I always dream about a remake of this game, you could do pretty cool Tachikoma tricks with today's technology, but I doubt anyone's interested in crafting a great, unique game when you can milk out the franchise by making a korean MMO FPS, I guess.

>> No.4145758

I hated the n64 because it was a lot of faggots introduction to gaming so they had no standards and now modern gaming is shit because of all those little faggots with bad taste. I liked the 64 and realize it had a lot of fun games but people who think those games are better than SNES or NES games are just fucking kidding themselves,.

>> No.4145792

>>4142621
I hate it for 3 reasons.

1. The complete abandonment of 2D sprite based graphics. Everything had to be 3D on the N64 and it made me really salty back then and still to this day because I was looking forward to more sprite based Nintendo games with graphics that rival or surpass those of Arcade games.

2. The retarded decision to go with low capacity cartridges and the lack of third party support that resulted from it and Nintendo's policy of treating games studios like shit in general. The SNES has such a vast and complete library of games, the N64 does not. Lack of variety and multiplatform games was a real issue and having all the Nintendo franchises in ugly 3D graphics only made it worse for me.

3. My biggest gripe is one of personal taste. I strongly dislike blurred textures look that every N64 game has. I know PSX had crooked and wonky looking graphics but that never bothered me too much. I just can't stand the blur. I hate it so much, words can't adequately describe how much.

>> No.4145802

>>4142740
>all of the nintendo and rare platformers
I strongly dislike 3D platformers desu. I played Mario64 and enjoyed it. Everything else felt like a boring rehash afterwards. I dunno why. I like and can play 2D platformers to this day. I think it's all the running from point A to B with nothing to do that kills it for me. #d platformers were proto walking simulators.

>> No.4145807

N64 split the Nintendo fanbase into bitter former fans and true believers for life. I loved the NES and the SNES because they were superb gaming consoles. N64 apologists and cultists all seem like they have stockholm syndrome to me. They know deep down that it's a shitty console but they have to compulsively defend it because it's Nintendo or maybe they just genuinely like ugly, low frame rate, blurry games.

>> No.4145808

>>4145792
You weren't hyped for 3D gaming back in 1996? How old were you then?

>> No.4145817

>>4145802
>I like and can play 2D platformers to this day.
I can't. They mostly went to shit around the 4th gen when copying Sanic became all the rage.

>> No.4145818

>>4145807
What about having a middleground opinion?
N64 isn't the best ever, but it's good enough, I enjoy games on it, same as I enjoy on PS and Saturn.
A big chunk of my favorite 5th gen games are on N64, and no, they aren't Mario or Zelda.

>> No.4145820

>>4142761
>Anti-Nintendo bias

That's a meme. In my experience the people who hate the N64 the most are the ones who grew up with the NES and SNES and used to be hardcore fanboys but got majorly disappointed when the N64 didn't live up to the hype. They should've made an actually good console and stuck with the Ultra64 name. It sounded so much cooler. Somewhere in an alternative universe there exists an Ultra64 with good graphics and a great library of CD-ROM games, Sega still lives and neither Sony or Microsoft ever entered the console market directly. A man can dream. I loved Nintendo, I wanted them to win but they shat the bed with the N64 and haven't stopped being shitters ever since.

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>>4145792
>I strongly dislike blurred textures look that every N64 game has
All of them? Or just the games you cherrypicked?

>> No.4145843

>>4145832
Some games seem to bypass it, but don't deny that at least half the library has this problem

>> No.4145850

>>4145818
>but it's good enough
That's not a middleground opinion, it's an apologist opinion.

>> No.4145851

>>4145820
There may be cases of people like the ones you describe, but when you read the posts here, it's obvious most of them are just shitposters who want to rile up console wars. Many of them I bet weren't even alive or conscious when 5th gen systems first released.
Take everything you read in vidya forums with a grain of salt.

>> No.4145854

>>4142865
>N64 version has some unique feats
Yeah, like an almost 2 year waiting period and the luxury of having to play the game with a spastic, full retard controller.

>> No.4145856

>>4145850
>same as I enjoy on PS and Saturn
5th gen in general isn't my favorite, but I still like it. Am I a "5th gen apologist"?

>> No.4145859

>>4145820
>stuck with the Ultra64 name. It sounded so much cooler.
I would agree with you if I was still a middle school. Fortunately this is now and I believe that name sounds pretty cheesy as fuck in retrospect.

>with good graphics
Describe them.

>and haven't stopped being shitters ever since.
Even after their latest console has been printing them lots of money recently?

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>>4145854
>reading comprehension
He was talking about the features on the RE2 port, not the console itself. It's even on the picture he posted.
Nice hateboner though.

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>>4145854
>full retard controller.
Says the guy who likes one of the most retarded d-pads ever.
Anyway, RE2 is best on 6th gen consoles or PC, but if I had to choose PS1 or N64, give me N64, more features, no loadings.

>> No.4145874

>>4145792
>I know PSX had crooked and wonky looking graphics but that never bothered me too much. I just can't stand the blur. I hate it so much, words can't adequately describe how much.

This is exactly how I feel. Not that I ever thought the PS1 looked good doing full 3D, but it at least looked acceptable. Almost everything on N64 was truly hideous to me.

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>>4144592

>> No.4145884

>>4145859
>Describe them.
not blurry

>Even after their latest console has been printing them lots of money recently?
yes, commercial success is not a measurement of quality

>> No.4145886

>>4145792
>>4145874
To me it was the opposite, the AA on N64 made graphics look smoother, in fact I still think they do today on CRT, on HD screens it's really ugly though, because of the stretching.
PS I always noticed the pixelation and wobbly textures, and it felt sketchy to me as a kid, N64 looked more consistent, more like games on PC.
This didn't stop me from enjoying PS games though, and I also thought there were ugly looking N64 games.

>> No.4145907

>>4145884
>not blurry
N64 would always have been "blurry", even if it was this not-gimped Ultra 64 version that you refer to.

The blurriness was caused by dither filtering, an effort to clean up horrible dither patterns. It was a high-end feature, and 3dfx cards did the exact same thing and now they are also accused of being blurry despite having access to much higher resolution textures and running at 640x480.

The only thing that would have prevented it from blurriness is if every game ran in 32-bit color mode or something. Pretty sure that was impossible for consumer-level hardware of the time.

N64 hardware could have been a lot better if Nintendo didn't gimp the RAM by making it single-channel and also included a (fast) CD-drive, but face it. It's not that PS1 looks "better", you just have fondness for that retro-look which was being phased out at the time.

>> No.4145916

>>4145884
>yes, commercial success is not a measurement of quality
And that also applies well to the PS1 from a retrospective pov, does it not?

>> No.4145926

>>4145907
>you just have fondness for that retro-look which was being phased out at the time.
No, I don't. Like that other anon in this thread I have an enormous, raging hateboner for blur. I don't even use aggressive AA on PC games. I prefer jaggies over blur. I hate blur.

>>4145916
Sure. The PSX isn't a great console because it was so wildly successful, it's a great console because of its library, although that library was partly caused by the immense popularity the console enjoyed.

>> No.4145946

>>4145926
>The PSX isn't a great console because it was so wildly successful, it's a great console because of its library, although that library was partly caused by the immense popularity the console enjoyed.
And that pretty much rings true throughout its line (at least depending on your last played entry), doesn't it?

>> No.4146000

Can't believe this debate still goes on today. Both are fine systems, and both have their own pros and cons. N64 has a small collection of games, yes, but still has the best 3d platformers of the generation. Great for playing with 3 other friends without the need of some annoying multitap. Also has a few good racing games, rpgs, and fighting games. Leaving out any fps because why would anyone not prefer to play those on a comp?

PS1 can have bad loading times, and in general most of their 3d platformers were ass. Had good 2d platformers, TONS of good rpg's, and good racing games.

>> No.4146002

>>4145869
how's the Dualshock d-pad bad?

>> No.4146025

>>4146002
Not him, but I've never liked the PS pads on any of their systems. They're okay for some things, but fast action like fighting games they tear my thumb up if I play for too long. Spent some time at a friend's a couple weeks back playing fighters on his PS4 and had a big ass blister at the end of it.

>> No.4146035

>>4142621
No gaems

>> No.4146042

>>4146035
B-b-b-but muh Mario, Zelda and Rare.

>> No.4146049

I like it, I have fond memories of it, but man there really wasn't a whole lot of memorable games for it. Also the graphics were fucked and as with all systems of this era, early 3D games hadn't nailed down any set standards yet so many games controlled absolutely awful. And goddamn, that controller was an awful idea, i will never understand that controller

>> No.4146059

>>4146000
>and in general most of their 3d platformers were ass
eh, I preferred them over most of what the N64 had to offer. Mario 64 was neato however.

>> No.4146064

>>4146000
>Leaving out any fps because why would anyone not prefer to play those on a comp?
GoldenEye, Perfect Dark and Turok were great games though. Of course PC FPS is better but those N64 shooters were still great in their own right. 4 player GoldenEye MP never got old, and the campaign was amazing with some really unique design decisions. I think in many ways it's still ahead of its time.

>> No.4146067

>>4144592
If only most of /vr/ were like you, sadly this place is a den of gross socially inept neckbeards who not only suck at games, but life as well.

>> No.4146078

>>4146067
Nice samefag

>> No.4146117

It's everything people shit on Dreamcast for only with shitter textures and no fighting games.(or almost any other genre either)Basically a heaping pile of shit. But you already knew that.

>> No.4146152

>>4146000
Trips confirms

>> No.4146178

When most people's top 5 lists for a platform include at least 2 3D platformers, it's a surefire sign that platform was a huge fucking wash.

The only people who defend N64 are Nintendofags and these people who keep going on about how fucking "comfy" everything they've known for more than 5 years is to them.

Sure, the Zelda games are pretty fun. Perfect Dark and 007 are overrated as fuck. Any 3D platformers can go straight in the trash.

>> No.4146184

>>4146178
what about mario 64, banjo kazooie, DK64?
those 3d platformers kick major ass

>> No.4146194

>>4146184
I'm not into collectathons. Mario 64 is babytime easy. I can't think of one good thing to say about Mario64 to be honest.
Rare sucks dick. Their games look terrible.

>> No.4146197

>>4146184
open world platformers are gay as fuck, though

>> No.4146212

>>4146194
Fuck off babydick

>> No.4146237

>>4146178
>Any 3D platformers can go straight in the trash.
I dunno, I remember having fun playing Crash 3:Warped
funnily enough if you entered a code on the title screen you could play a demo version of Spyro
when I played it all I could think was how fucking boring it was compared to crash

>> No.4146239

>>4146237
Crash is one of the few 3D platformers done correctly.

>> No.4146240

Why did so many Nintendo 64 games have such horrible colors?

>> No.4146248

>>4146239
>one of the few 3D platformers done correctly
What are the others?

>> No.4146262
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4146262

The NES was my first system, but N64 has a special place in my heart out of all the systems I've owned. So many good memories.

>palm-blistering satisfaction of beating friends and older sister in Mario Parties
>3D Zeldas, blew my fucking child mind
>DK64 and learning that rap
>Pokemon Snap, favorite Pokemon spinoff game, still occasionally beat it in an hour just to relax
>raising teams on Yellow/Silver specifically to combat Stadium's soulless cheating AI
>feeling immensely clever figuring out tricks in Mario 64 (Wet/Dry World/Tick Tock clock entrance manips), max chilling to Jolly Roger Bay/Dire Docks OST
>Yoshi's Story and Kirby Crystal Shards for kawaii-as-fuck funtimes
>memeing the Star Fox 64 lines/voice acting
>wooing Harvest Moon's Karen in three dimensions
>agonizing over keys and eggs in Banjo-Kazooie
>Tooie kind of a letdown, but still fun
>racing/battling salty friends in Diddy Kong Racing/Mario Kart, who were never as good because they didn't own the games
>Pokemon Puzzle League, just another Panel de Pon reskin but I didn't fucking care
>booting up Super Smash Bros. for a few quick battles before school
>Paper Mario, spiritual successor to babby anon's first RPG
>didn't play Conker's back then but would've loved it

>> No.4146276

>>4146248
bomberman hero

>> No.4146291

>>4142621
The rise of mulitplayer N64 games basically made me stop liking my friends.

When I was a kid I was poor. Luckily my best friend's parents were divorced and his dad was a businessman who bought his son anything in hopes he would love him more than his mom. Anyways I went over to my friends house to take turns playing Mischief Makers and Mario 64. Mario Kart came out and that was alright. I won every once in a while. Then there was Smash Bros and Golden Eye. After those came out, 2 more friends started coming over and they always ruled out my votes. I NEVER WON Smash Bros OR Golden Eye. I couldnt play them. I was awful. Also this was at the time South Park was really popular. So hanging out with my friends became ME getting shot and beat the shit out of by 3 people while they all talked shit and told me I suck. I also realized at this time that my friends and I were becoming teenagers, and that teenage boys think its cool to be mean, and that the next 6 years of my life were going to suck.

>> No.4146295

>>4142621
Dunno why you fags are arguing over this. The 5th gen and its games were all fucking shit. Bucha shitty square people running around shitty quare levels while ugly ass FMVs are playing every goddamn second, bleh!

>> No.4146320

>>4146295
This. 5th gen and 3D killed videogames.

>> No.4146349

>>4146320
no

>> No.4146351

>>4146025
>they tear my thumb up
how the fuck, are you the buttons at lightspeed?

>> No.4146378

>>4146291
lel

>> No.4146380

The cartridges don't feel as good on my dick as the SNES ones did.

Controler makes a good dildo though.

>> No.4146402

>>4146349
yes

>> No.4146462

>>4143525
You're retarded if you actually believe that.

There's a huge difference between "you NEED this extra bit of hardware to play this game" and "this is needed to save your games, you can still play it without it though".

>> No.4146476

>>4146351
you have to apply like double the force of a normal d-pad for diagonals

>> No.4146481
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4146481

>>4142621
>Or you were poor at the time to afford one and its games?
>he paid money for his N64 games instead of pirating them
wew

>> No.4146492

TOP FIVE N64 GAMES OF ALL TIME:

F-Zero X
Sin & Punishment
Bomberman: 2nd Attack
Virtual Pro Wrestling 2
Goemon's Great Adventure

>> No.4146501

The N64 has some great games, but once I got an Everdrive 64, I found that the only games I ever played on it were the 20 or so games I'd owned as a kid anyway, despite having literally every N64 ROM on the flash card.

I still love it, though.

>> No.4146508

>>4146476
Something must be wrong with you than

>> No.4146512

>>4142621

>i will start a shitposting thread, and i will dismiss the main argument against my console because i say so

you should be banned right away from this place OP, go fuck the back off to /v/

>> No.4146526

>>4146512
The problem with guys who try to criticize the N64 is that it's very evident they actually hate it due to Nintendo hate, and not because they actually have a formed opinion on the console (other than memes they've heard from others).
This guy pretty much nailed it: >>4145605
It's hard to discuss this console (and pretty much every other major console) on the internet because of polarizing fanboys. Anti-ninty are as bad as Pro-ninty people, they both think in extremes.

>> No.4146543

>>4146291
kek

>> No.4146547

>>4146492
All shit, congrats

>> No.4146551

>>4146547
Well said comrade, I agree, they are shit, even though I never played them, because they are on the Nintendo 64, a console I loathe! Even though I never owned it.

>> No.4146552

>>4146526
How is it "hate" to state indisputable facts such as blurry graphics and small library?

>> No.4146557

>>4146551
I have played them tho, they are shit.

>> No.4146565

>>4146557
prove it
you can't
i win

>> No.4146570
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4146570

>>4146565
shit u win

>> No.4146573

hardly any of the games on the system don't appeal to me
i also have a huge hardon for crunchy psx/pc software mode graphics and the blurry n64 just bothers me
but really it's just because compared to PSX and even saturn it's devoid of good non-kart racers, rpgs, beat em ups/brawlers, fighting games, survival horror, stealth action etc...
i was never into collectathons or 3d platformer

>> No.4146574

>>4146552
"Blurry" always reeks of people who first played the console recently through emulators on an HD screen. If you play N64 on a CRT in the correct resolution, the whole blurry argument kind of falls short.
It's like hating the PS1 because "pixelated textures and warps", it's a fact, but it's not bad enough to dismiss the entire console for it, same with the N64. And again, use a CRT!.
>small library
Nobody will try to claim N64 has a bigger library than PS1 or even the Saturn (in Japan), but that's not a reason to dismiss it as shit, it still has a lot of exclusives worth playing,many of which aren't 1st party.
If you really didn't care about the N64, you would just ignore N64 threads, or just drop a "I never cared for it personally", and that's it, instead of coming here to vomit your hatred toward it. It's hate anon. Don't worry though, hate is good. It makes you feel fuzzy and warm inside.

>> No.4146578

>>4146481
What in the hell is that?

>> No.4146581

>>4142621
cartridge system
total library is small, and the list of games worth playing is even smaller
shit grafix

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>>4142621

>> No.4146618

>>4143110
>give a personality
this is code for "i like it, but know it's shit and can't defend it from an objective standpoint"

>> No.4146625

>>4146618
Well, not too different from people who say they like the pixelation on PS1.
The truth is, 5th gen 3D can be sketchy, but some devs pulled out some good stuff despite these limitation, in both systems.

>> No.4146627

>>4142621
Contrarianism

>> No.4146639

>>4146574
>If you play N64 on a CRT in the correct resolution, the whole blurry argument kind of falls short.
Absolute nonsense. Either you are showing your underage or you are intentionally lying. I'm old, I owned an N64 and flatscreens didn't exist back then and shit was blurry as fuck. A CRT does nothing to alleviate the blur.

>it still has a lot of exclusives worth playing,many of which aren't 1st party.
Nothing comes to mind that I would want to replay or recommend anybody to play in this day and age. I'd rather recommend them NES, SNES or even NGC games to play. N64 was a shitshow.

>If you really didn't care about the N64, you would just ignore N64 threads
I never said that I didn't care for it.

>instead of coming here to vomit your hatred toward it. It's hate anon.
That's not what your accusation was. I don't foster a general Nintendo hate. I love early Nintendo games and franchises. My dislike for the N64 is rooted in fact and reason, not irrational emotionalism or brand loyalty.

>> No.4146661

>>4146639
You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded

>> No.4146668

>>4145510
>i also have a huge hardon for crunchy psx/pc software mode graphics
Taking that into account, it's funny how Sony managed to use Nintendo's very own 'Withered Technology" philosophy against them (in a way) in this case eh?

>> No.4146683

>>4146639
>My dislike for the N64 is rooted in fact and reason, not irrational emotionalism or brand loyalty.
Earlier on...
>none comes to mind that I would want to replay or recommend
>N64 was a shitshow
Not very rational or reasonable, just you and your particular taste, which isn't relevant.

>> No.4146691

>>4146639
>A CRT does nothing to alleviate the blur.
Actually it does, unless you mod your N64 with HDMI.

>> No.4146705

>>4146639
>Absolute nonsense. Either you are showing your underage or you are intentionally lying. I'm old, I owned an N64 and flatscreens didn't exist back then and shit was blurry as fuck. A CRT does nothing to alleviate the blur.

Old fuck here, can confirm. Of all the consoles I owned the N64 looked the worse by far, and the judder in games (ie low framerate) didn't help. Yes, this shit looked blurry as fuck on CRTs.

I did enjoy F-Zero a lot still.

>> No.4146712

>>4146639
>A CRT does nothing to alleviate the blur.
CRTs are inherently blurry so they camoflauge the blur. Plus, as mentioned above, much of the N64 blur is caused by dithering filtering. That's a technique very much designed for CRTs.

>> No.4146717

What you guys mean by "blurry textures" is actually low resolution textures.

>> No.4146726

>>4146668
There's nothing "withered" about the PS1 hardware. Much of it is similar but just an earlier "1994" iteration of the N64 hardware. The CPU is pretty much the same, just an earlier model, and the GPU on PS1 was developed through consultations with SGI who also designed N64's GPU.

>> No.4146734

>>4144869
>all early 3D games look like ass, and don't hold up
so, the lack of 2d games in comparison to the psx makes the n64 automatically inferior
also, no fighting games besides KI

>> No.4146739

>>4145196
thing is, psx's multitap was cheaper

>> No.4146741

>>4144881

True.

What makes me lose my mind is people that never ever played on an actual N64 saying that its emulation is perfect.

To this day I've never seen a single game emulated perfectly.

>> No.4146770

>>4144592
>Beating an enemy should be mechanical and based on a natural skill component
>based on a natural skill component
>SKILL
we're playing games here faggot... skillfags like you are worse than the functional strength retards on /fit/.
Games are all reliant on easilly picked up pattern recognition and reflex... thinking your twitch reflexes are any more relevant to the outside world than 'select magic, press X' just goes to show how useless every SKILL you achieved is. Go get a job that doesn't involve fries, or master a sport.

>> No.4146775

>>4142621
I like Mario 64 and I think the N64 had better 3D platformers overall. Spyro and Crash just don't exist in the same plane as Rare's games although Ape Escape is much loved by me. PS1 had more RPGs which is cool and it had the sick 2D games like Klonoa, Rayman, Gex and Pac-Man World. It also had JRPGs, some 2D and some with beautiful prerendered backgrounds. The problem with PS1 is that most of the fully 3D games were and still are dogshit with only a few exceptions. Basically I like both consoles for different reasons.

>> No.4146797

>>4142621
As far as I'm concerned, N64 loses any match against PSX because of these five games Castlevania 64, Quest 64, Diakatana. Megaman 64, and Superman 64.

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>>4146797
This guys knows his shit. PS-X best console EVER.

>> No.4146821

>>4146770
stop talking to pixels and get a real girlfriend dickhead

>> No.4146826

>>4146775
>Spyro and Crash just don't exist in the same plane as Rare's games
Eh, I prefer them over the Rare stuff, but that's just me.

>> No.4146829

>>4146821
Married anon, stop competing against pixels and go outskill a person

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>>4146813
Girls can't play games?

How about a little Elmo for you?

>> No.4146856

>>4146846
What? Barbie is a great game, don't be sexist.
Elmo is great too, but PS-X version is better, less blurry!

>> No.4146883

>>4146829
>married
my sincerest condolences

>> No.4146887

>>4146883
Nah, it's fine. It's one of those "we're both from very traditional christian families and dated since we were fifteen so our interests interlap to the level we collect retro vidiya together" kind of deals.

>> No.4146889

>>4146797

are you implying the ps1 doesn't have worse games than those? Beucase it does. Also the only really bad game you listed is superman 64.

>> No.4146891

>>4142621
Barely scrapes through with 10 games for the console. Usual morons saying chameleon quest, blastris, iggys wrecking balls "are worth it".

>> No.4146892

>>4146887
HAHAHAHAHHAHA

again, my sincerest condolences

>> No.4146898

>>4146891
Barely anyone ever mentions those games you're talking about, maybe Chameleon Twist gets mentioned every now and then, but it's not one of the "big" 3rd party N64 games like Bomberman or Goemon.

>> No.4146937

>>4146892
10/10 nervous laughter

>> No.4147017

>>4146661
epic

>> No.4147024

>>4146770
>we're playing games here faggot
yes we are, and I don't find mechanically boring games fun. I don't find talking to pixels and "roleplaying" fun. I don't find grinding fun. I don't find selecting a potion from a menu to beat a boss fun. In fact I find it all really fucking boring.
>thinking your twitch reflexes are any more relevant to the outside world than 'select magic, press X'
lol I never said vidya skill is relevant in the 'outside world' (duh?) and I don't know why you're even bringing that up. we're talking about game enjoyment here. however thinking about your quoted statement now it appears you're getting defensive over the fact that you clearly suck at mechanically rich video games and prefer simple tripe because you lack superior vidya reflexes/coordination and thus must gravitate to RPG shite (which was actually my exact prediction about RPGtards). in a "real world context" of course this is fine. it's just vidya m8. of course it's okay to have shit taste and be awful at video games lol.

>> No.4147030

>>4142621
I don't. It just doesn't have the pokeymans I want, and the PSX catalogue is so much better.

>> No.4147032

>>4147024
>Soulsborne player
>not completely shit
sure pal, go fatroll over there.

>> No.4147035

>>4143502
>Unreal
More like PC mustard rice.

>> No.4147065

>>4147024
Thing is, if you take away the interpretative parts of any game, it becomes just command execution. If you consider your taste in games superior based in the fact you have to or can execute this or that maneuver in a game then you're pretty much just taking pride in inputing commands, which is sad considering most games are made so anyone can do it with a little practice. You have the same grinding, the only diference being you grind yourself and not your character. Your skill, then, is irrelevant even considering videogames, as irrelevant as selecting a potion and pressing 'X', since you're just choosing a course of action and executing it. The diference between the execution being made automatically by the game and manually by yourself should only be something of note to the babbiest of babbies.
Bottomline, if you think non-RPGs are mechanically richer than RPGs then you're probably just a scrub who thinks he is doing something that requires some sort of noteworthy skill to accomplish when actually doing something a developer made for anyone to be able to.

>> No.4147067

>>4146826
Spyro is shit but Crash is better than any N64 Rare platformer.

>> No.4147072

>>4147067
Crash isn't even better than any Hugo game.

>> No.4147080

>>4146898
>the "big" 3rd party N64 games like Bomberman
The Saturn one was better.

>> No.4147096

>>4147080
Saturn Bomberman? It's amazing, but different than the Bomberman games on N64, which were 3D adventure games.

>> No.4147106

>>4147080
Saturn Bomberman was just another boring rehash of the shitty grid bombermans. Baku Bomberman and Hero tried something different, and mostly succeeded at it. So they get points for both being innovative as well as great games.

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>>4142621
>"the n64 only has 5 good games hurr durr"
so, basically, "point me the problems of this console, except for the most glaring one that singlehandedly makes it the worst of its gen".
Look, the n64 is an outstanding console, but it lacks games in nearly all departments but 3d platformers.
Racing? It only had F-zero and Mario kart, which were both worse than CTR and any other high-profile racing game on the psx.
Fighting? It had SSB(barely a fighter and is easily tied with/surpassed by digimon rumble arena) and Killer instinct. It can't compare to tekken, KOF, street fighter, MvC, Guilty gear... i can go on
Shoot-em-ups? I can't even name one relevant (no, sin and punishment is a railshooter, which is overshadowed by time crisis). PSX has DoDonPachi, einhander, parodius, gradius, harmful park...
Also, everyone seems to gloat on how couch multiplayer was the thing, and forgets the only noteworthy 4p games were mario kart, ssb and mario party... while a multitap adapter for the psx could give you CTR, twisted metal, co-op battles in tales... that's if you're not hotseating metal slug X or any fighting game with your pals.
The n64 was good for zelda, mario 64, banjo kazooie/tooie, and ssb... it was overshadowed by the psx's immense library in every other aspect.
It was good if you liked to play once in a while... it was an empty experience if you actually liked videogames.

>> No.4147125

>>4147065
honestly, tldr. too much 'tism for me sorry m8

>> No.4147134

>>4147108
>empty experience if you actually liked videogames.
both consoles were overall empty experiences if you actually liked videogames t.b.h

>> No.4147135

>>4147108
>forgetting podracer
You dun doofed

>> No.4147136

>>4147108
You're very ignorant about the N64's catalog if you think it only has zelda,mario, banjo and smash.
Also, Adventures of Little Ralph is very mediocre.

>> No.4147171

>>4147136
name a few.... this excuse for an argument won't hold without actual examples.
>>4147135
sorry, how could I
>>4147134
can't argue with that

>> No.4147172

>>4147125
I guess I shouldn't really be expecting you to know how to read.

>> No.4147181

>>4147136
Mediocre as it is, Little Ralph is objectivelly better than 100% of the 64's 2d platformers.

>> No.4147189

>>4142940
Dude, I bought a 64 with two controllers and mario 64 for... well, an used GTA: V and an used Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, both for ps3. Still haven't unplugged the ps1 tho, just finished Klonoa for the nth time.

>> No.4147191

>>4147067
Why do people like Crash so much? For me they're very bland and boring games. No puzzle aspect, no power ups, no interesting gameplay mechanic.

>> No.4147192

>>4147181
>better than Mischief Makers, Goemon's Great Adventure, or Kirby 64
WRONG.

>> No.4147196

>>4147192
Played all three of them, had mischief makers and still have kirby, none live up to Little Ralph. Mischief makers is a worse gimmick fest than your average nds shovelware, the platforming is very bland, which goes well with the stages. Kirby 64 is cute, but it's worse than gb kirby. Goemon is the best out of the three, but it's way worse than it's snes counterparts. It's sad because while the mechanical part feels good, the level design is blander than a beat'em'up, and the music is poor.

>> No.4147203

>>4147191
I think it's because most psx 3d platformer weren't very fleshed out, and tried to rely on novelty. While the levels weren't particularly mind boggling, they were more solid in gameplay and challenge than things like croc or spyro. It played more like a 16-bit game translated to 3d instead of a game built from the ground up to be played in 3d, and that kind of familiarity stuck with many people. Also, you're a dog eating mangos, this kind of stuff sells itself.

>> No.4147336

>>4147108
>Racing? It only had F-zero and Mario kart, which were both worse than CTR and any other high-profile racing game on the psx.
It also had DKR (much better single player than CTR), Pod Racer, World Driver Championship (good clone of Gran Turismo with better graphics), Ridge Racer 64 (good remix of the RR series), Wipeout 64 (good remix of the first two Wipeout games), Extreme-G (decent clone of Wipeout), 1080 Snowboarding, Snowboard Kids, Beetle Adventure Racing and Excitebike 64.

All you're demonstrating is the consistent fact that most N64 critics are totally ignorant of the console.

>> No.4147349

>>4147336
>less funny mario kart
>comparing a mediocre game to the best racing experience in 5th gen
>a bunch of other mediocre shoe-in games that don't surpass in anything their psx counterpaarts
wow, really? All you're demonstrating is the need 64 fanboys have to mention the whole 296 as if they were all gems. I only mentioned F-zero and Mario Kart because they're the good ones. the others are rehashes.

>> No.4147358

>>4146691
It really doesn't still looks quite blurry

>> No.4147369

>>4147349
>the others are rehashes
If that's the case, then I seriously hope that little list of PS1 racing games in your head doesn't contain more than one Ridge Racer, Wipeout or whatever.

By the way, 1080 Snowboarding is better than any snowboarding game on PS1, and Excitebike 64 is better than any bike game on PS1. There's nothing on PS1 quite like Beetle Adventure Racing either. Or Pod Racer, arguably.

>> No.4147406

>>4143639
I PLAY MATURE GAMES FOR MATURE PEOPLE SUCH AS ME....
Fuck this whole thread is garbage, so many salty ps1 fags defending an animuh rpg machine with tons of bad ports and shovelware. Fuck you, no one plays playstation 1 anymore it's the 5th gen console that ages worse in the 3d deparment.

>> No.4147410

>>4147191
Sometimes a platformer doesn't need gimmicks or puzzles to be good, just pure, fun platforming.

Practically every platformer in fifth gen had to be a fucking non-linear mess, which is one of the reasons the genre died.

>> No.4147413

>>4144592
FUCKING WOOW MY DUDE! YOU CANT DROP TRUTH BOMBS LIKE THIS JUST LIKE NOTHING, LOOK AT THOSE ANGRY MEME VIRGINS GIVING THEIR (YOU)'S.


This post is basically hurts the feelings of the whole generation of ps1 babys. Amazing

>> No.4147434
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>>4142621
The games that are actually worth playing on it are small in number, and didn't tend to run that well. Additionally, it doesn't really compare to the PS1 at all.

I wouldn't say I hate it, just that it's an inferior console that was overshadowed by the PS1 in almost everyday, and considering the PS1 came out 2 years before it, the general perception at the time was that it was far less impressive. Add in the fact that the PS1 library ended up with around 2500 games and the N64 had a meager 400, and it's easy to see why people would have a far larger amount of memories with the PS1. And god forbid you owned both, try playing something like Spyro and then going over to play donkey kong 64, and the stark contrast in quality becomes clear.

Also the controller sucked.

>> No.4147436

>>4147434
>try playing something like Spyro and then going over to play donkey kong 64, and the stark contrast in quality becomes clear.
not sure what's more delusional, thinking spyro is good or that it's better than DK64 rather than being equally shit

>> No.4147441

>>4147196
>goemon
>music is poor

Bait.
Liuttle Ralph is still worse than all those games mentioned btw, nothing special other than being a 2D game on a 5th gen system.

>> No.4147448

I'm noticing something...
OP asked why people who hate N64 explain the reason for their hate.
So far, majority of people who are replying, all write in a very similar form, and all compare it to the PS1.
"N64 looks blurry I prefer the pixelated look of PS1"
"N64 has few games, PS1 has a lot more"
"All N64 games suck, PS1 has a lot of good games"
Barely anyone here talking about Saturn and PC, and we do have quite a lot of Saturn and PC users on /vr/, but for some reason, in this thread, people only talk about PS1... I wonder why.

>> No.4147453

>>4147410
Yeah corridor plattaforms in 3d is the new wave of videogames my friend. It selling better than fifa according to neogaf

>> No.4147476

>>4147436
I wasn't talking about the game play, just the technical aspects.

>> No.4147478

>>4147476
He's got to be kidding if he thinks Spyro looks better than DK64.
I'm not going to discuss art styles, but stuff like polycount and especially lighting/particle effects, Dk64 blows Spyro (and most PS1 games) out of the water.

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>>4147476
>just the technical aspects.
Yes, wow. Such detail. Such polygon counts. Look how the textures don't disappear when you move away from them. Such draw distance. Beautiful lighting effects.

>> No.4147502

>>4147478
>>4147490
If you're really going to try and argue that this looks better, I don't know what to tell you.

https://youtu.be/mMkVM1VhEAk

>> No.4147506

>>4147502
It's not about subjective opinions like "this looks better/worse".
DK64 has higher polycount, better draw distance, and DK64's main feature, that everyone praised when it was released, was the lighting effects.
It's cool to have a DK64 hateboner and all, but credit goes where it's due.
Spyro is nothing special objectively.

>> No.4147507

>>4147502
>choosing a video about glitching the game
Now why would somebody do such a thing?

>> No.4147510

>>4147448
it's not a secret that sony fanboys are actually the worst bunch, even /v/ knows this.

>> No.4147512

>>4144869
I think the reason it gets lots of hate is:

>grown-ass permavirgin losers arguing about 20+ year old console wars

>> No.4147524

PS1 fans are being stupid in this thread. They could easily win an argument that their console has more games, more good games, better genre variety, etc whatever.

But then they got greedy and trying to make arguments they can't win like the PS1 has better graphics than N64 or some shit.

>> No.4147575

>>4147524
N64 could push more polys but it doesn't help when the result is a blurry foggy mess of dog shit.

>> No.4147580

>>4147575
And the PSX could push more clearer textures and variety but that doesn't help when it's all a pixelated, warped mess of horse shit.

It's ultimately a lose-lose situation when it comes to 5th gen visuals. Don't know why mid-late 90's kids are so still nostalgic over that shit

>> No.4147585

>>4142840
>talking about gaems on an online community of N64
>say gaem X is better on playstation, because it fucking was
>hey man if you don't like N64 why are you here?

Fucking fanboys man

>> No.4147586

>>4147580

PS1 looks awesome. Just compare Starfox 64 with Vanark. Goldeneye with Medal Of Honor, Mario 64 with Crash Bandicoot 3. The N64 was a pure shittoaster and it has no real classics.

>> No.4147620

>>4147586
>Starfox 64 with Vanark
Starfox 64 actually shows a lot of things happening at the same time, while Vanark just throws a few enemies at you at a time. You also have reflections, vertex lighting and proper fog transitions in Star Fox 64 rather than just pop-up.

That being said, Vanark probably looks better, but you can put that down to coming out 2.5 years later, and clever texturing (a lot of lighting is baked into the textures). On that note, Nintendo have never been good at pushing hardware - for that you need to look at other developers. For the N64, it's the work of companies like Rare, Factor 5 and Boss Studios.

Battle for Naboo knocks the shit out of Vanark graphically and it's not even on rails.

>Goldeneye with Medal Of Honor,
Medal of Honor has Turok-tier draw distance (without even the courtesy of vertex fog, it's just a black shroud) with half the detail. And the visuals look particularly jittery even for PS1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtnXrOzXEe0

>Mario 64 with Crash Bandicoot 3
Corridor. Enough said. While you're at it you might as well say Final Fantasy VII has better graphics than any Dreamcast game thanks to FMV.

As for the N64's best looking games, like Conker's Bad Fur Day. I can't even compare it to PS1 games cause there's no comparison.

>> No.4147654

>>4144592
I was like you anon, then I played dq v.
Granted I liked dude sex and chrono nigger even before, but I had a general hate boner for rpgs.

>> No.4147657

>>4147580
>it's ultimately a lose-lose situation when it comes to 5th gen visuals.

I actually agree with this completely and it's what I've been saying through the thread. They both look awful and it was a low point for graphics in general. I think PS looks slightly less shitty, but that's partly due to my hate of any kind of blur. I can understand someone thinking the opposite.

As for the nostalgia, probably many of them were young so they didn't expect anything more and just accepted what it was.

>> No.4147659

>>4147654
I find dq5 one of the most boring rpgs I have ever tried to play. Beside dq4 anyways. Also not too big on the genre though.

>> No.4147660

>>4147620

>Goldeneye with Medal Of Honor,

Well, then look at Alien Resurrection instead. It's not a great game but it looks amazing.

>>4147657

PS1 is my favourite console right after the SNES and I like it BECAUSE of it's early 3D graphics, especially when games are fully rendered in real time. The lighting effects were also really good and no console ever had more beautiful 2D games.

>> No.4147667

>>4147660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=648rmVwI108

Alien Resurrection has nice lighting and atmosphere for a PS1 game, but let's not kid ourselves that it's in the same league technically as say, Perfect Dark. The game has literally no draw distance, and even the textures all seem to use the same palette.

For a 5th gen shooter though I think it looks fine, don't get me wrong.

>> No.4147676

>>4147660
PS1 is my favourite console right after the SNES and I like it BECAUSE of it's early 3D graphics,

I don't want this to come off as trolling because I hate the age baiting and don't think there's anything bad about younger gamers, but how old were you? Was it a system you grew up with? Just curious.

>> No.4147689

PSX GETTING BTFO ITT

>> No.4147692

>>4147667
Every 3D playstation game automatically looks shit because of the texture warping, fact. that shit is straight up eye cancer.

>> No.4147695

>>4147676

I was 14 when I got the PS1, grew up in the SNES era but played mostly on PC until I got my Playstation.

>> No.4147697

>>4147667
did this game use dual analogs? looks like it

what was the first fps to use dual analogs anyway? (I know perfect dark and goldeneye had equivalents with the C configuration but I wanna see the first ever dual analog game)

>> No.4147702

>>4147697
I think either Virtual On or Alien R

>> No.4147703

>>4147695
Interesting, that sounds about right.

>> No.4147708

>>4147703

Sounds about right in what regard?

I don't consider myself a "younger gamer" desu.

>> No.4147712

>>4147676
I'm 31 and I've always hated the look of PSX games.

Well actually the first time I ever saw them they blew me away because I had a SNES at home and my friend invited me to his house to see Tekken 2 and Twisted Metal 2 for the first time. It blew me away.

However once we got used to the 3D consoles and N64 became standard PlayStation always looked absolutely disgusting to me and still does. Honestly I hate its texture warping so much that it actually kills my enjoyment of its games. It looks fucking awful.

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Damn I love Perfect Dark

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>> No.4147721

>>4147702
>Alien R
looks like they did a really good job, the controls look very fluid for 30 fps.

was this the game where that one reviewer cursed at the controls because they were dual analog and for him at the time they were 'unintuitive'? I remember some /v/ meme review floating around about the earliest dual analog controls being bad because the reviewer couldn't get used to them.

>> No.4147727

>>4146291
so through N64 multiplayer you realised you were destined to be a beta? that would piss anyone off I guess desu

>> No.4147730

>>4147715
>>4147720
great game but you need to git gud

>> No.4147764

>>4147715
>>4147720
how to PD and GE run on Project64?

>> No.4147769

>>4146887
Damn that fucking sucks

>> No.4147770

>>4147586

>Starfox 64 with Vanark
Vanark looks better but it came out at the end of the generation while SF did come out at the begining.

>Goldeneye with Medal Of Honor
goldeneye is not even the best looking FPS on the N64 yet it wipes the floor with medal of honor.

>Mario 64 with Crash Bandicoot 3
again a game from the begining of the gen against a game from the end of the gen. Yet Mario 64 is way more impressive due to being open world.

>> No.4147771

>>4147764
No idea, these webms are s-video console captures. Supposedly there's a 60fps and mouse and keyboard hack out there for PJ64 though

>> No.4147773

>>4147771
>mouse and keyboard hack
disgusting. I wouldn't do that cheating shit desu. inb4 some cheating autist replies but I won't bother because he's not worth my time

>> No.4147775

>>4147695
14 is an impressionable age, not a bad thing.

>> No.4147779

>>4147349

> I only mentioned F-zero and Mario Kart because they're the good ones.

Let me guess: you never played the other games on the list. You're just using common sense about the N64 or maybe, just maybe, you played a few minutes on an emulator and you think you know shit about those games. Bettle adventure racing is one of the best racing games ever made. Star wars racer is arguably better than f-zero. There is also Rush 2029, which is an amazing game. If you think these games are "average" or "rehashes" you have your head stuck way up in your ass.

>the others are rehashes.

This must be bait. What are the good racing games on the ps1 that are not sequels of GT, RR or wipeout?

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>>4146883
>>4146892
>h-ha ha, that guy gets to pass on his genes, w-what a loser

>> No.4147782

>>4146291
you pathetic fuck

>> No.4147785

>>4147780
Remember that several active people here legit hate women and think they're stupid. How much of it is sour grapes and how much is just genuine misogyny who can tell, but it's pretty funny either way.

Not that guy but I wouldn't give up being married for anything.

>> No.4147786

>>4147715
>>4147720
I remember the very first time I played Perfect Dark. Mommy bought it for me in a shop and we visited a friend's house on the way home so my mom could hang out with his mom. He wasn't at home at the time though so I went to his room and tried PD out on his N64. The first level started and I remember my mouth straight dropping open at how good it looked. Couldn't believe the graphics, definitely one of those games that had that 'wow effect'.

On the way home in the car I was convulsing and couldn't wait to run to my room and start playing the game lol. Problem was it was a school week and I knew I wouldn't be allowed to play very late. I was already preempting the torture. I knew I wouldn't get a decent session in until the next day after school which was a million years away.

>> No.4147792

>>4146291
>N64 games basically made me stop liking my friends.
>Luckily my best friend's parents were divorced
You kinda sound like a dick brah.

>> No.4147794

>>4147792
Don't mock him, autism is hard to live with.

>> No.4147801

>>4146291
Stop bullying anonkun.

*pats anonkun's head*

Sorry they were dickish to you bro.

>> No.4147809

>>4142640
>virtually no 2d games
Are you fucking disabled?

The N64 was the first truly 3D games console (PC isn't a games console). Which fucking monkey would make a 2D game for the N64?

>> No.4147810

>>4146291
Why did you keep playing video games as a hobby if you suck that much at them? Or do you just play RPGs now?

I hate to say it, but if you were one of my friends and never won a single match of Smash or Goldeneye I'd make fun of you too.

>> No.4147814

>>4147809
>Which fucking monkey would make a 2D game for the N64?

Maybe a fucking monkey who took one look at what games on that "truly 3D game console" looked like. 2D games on the system still look decent. Everything 3D looked like shit then and looks even worse now.

>> No.4147816

N64 x PS1 x Saturn

>FPS
N64 takes the crown without a doubt. Perfect dark, Goldeneye, Turok trilogy, doom 64, and many others. The ps1 and saturn are not even well suited for first person games.

>2D platformers
PS1 wins this category by a landslide. Megaman X 4 - 6, klonoa, and so on.

>3D platformers
N64 takes the crown as having the best 3D platformers to this day. Banjo, Mario, DK, Conker, and so on.

>RPGs:
PS1 is the king of jRPGs. Arguably the best line up of jRPGs to this day with FF7 - 9, breath of fire series, suikoden, chrono cross, and so on.

>Fighting games
That's a tough one. PS1 had street fighter, marvel vs capcom and tekken, whilst the N64 had smash bros, killer instinct, and rakuga kids. Even though smash bros spawned one of the best franchises of all time, the winner of this round must be the PS1.

>Racing games
Another tough battle, but racing games on the N64 left a longer impact in gaming than the ps1's. Games like mario kart, diddy kong racing, f-zero, star wars racer, excitebike 64, and so on. The N64 hardly wins this round.

>Adventure
Zelda Ocarina of time and Majora's mask. There's nothing left to say. N64 takes this one.

>Survival horror
Does the N64 even compete in this category? PS1 pretty much gave birth to the genre.

>Party games
If you think 4 player couch multiplayer, you think N64. No other sony or sega console even compete.

>TPS
The N64 had great TPS games like jet force gemini, indiana jones and duke nukem zero hour, but the crown goes to the PS1 with syphon filter, dino crisis and the tomb raider series.

>Flying shooters
Tough battle, but the N64 takes this one as well. Star fox 64 is remembered to this day, and star wars rogue squadron left its mark on gaming history.

RTS/Strategy:
The PS1 obliterates the competitors on this front with FF tactics, front mission, and many, many others.


>Overall:
N64: 6
PS1: 6
Saturn: 0

>> No.4147827

>>4147816
>>RPGs:
>PS1 is the king of jRPGs. Arguably the best line up of jRPGs to this day with FF7 - 9, breath of fire series, suikoden, chrono cross, and so on.
As this thread has proved we can safely disregard this genre and its fans so that's one less category for the PS(u)X

I'd also give fighting to N64 for Smash Bros alone. Game is too great, too fun.

>> No.4147829

>>4147816
>ps better than saturn at fighters
>tomb raider a TPS
>Mario Kart longer impact than GT

That's a hot mess of a list there anon

>> No.4147831

>>4147816
>Games like mario kart, diddy kong racing, f-zero, star wars racer, excitebike 64, and so on
You forgot Extreme G.

Inb4 some fag brings up Gran Turismo AKA zzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ like it was ever good.

>> No.4147838

>>4147829
>>Mario Kart longer impact than GT
Dunno what 'impact' means but if I had the choice to play MK or GT it's hardly a choice, MK every fucking time. Haven't played a GT game since A-SPEC on PS2 and have zero desire to, dunno why anyone would want to play these ridiculously boring games.

>> No.4147843

>>4147829

Mario kart 64 is classic. GT on ps1 is just outdated.

>> No.4147847

>>4147809

Which fucking monkey would make a 2D game for the N64?

Treasure did, and it was awesome.

>> No.4147848

>>4147847
which game is that

>> No.4147849

>>4147848

Mischief makers and Bangai-o

>> No.4147850

>>4147838
>I don't like it so no one else would!
>nintendo fans

>> No.4147856

>>4147448
Because if the N64 can't compare to the second worst console on 5th gen how could it hold a candle to the saturn?

>> No.4147864 [DELETED] 

>>4147849
>Mischief makers
le ebin meme

>> No.4147865

>>4147850
>nintendo fans
Eh, the last nintendo console I owned was N64 and since then I've owned a PS2, PS3 and PS4 (none of which I bought for fucking GT). However if I had a choice to play the latest Mario Kart Switch game or whatever the latest GT game was I know what I'm picking (hint: not GT aka ZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZZzzzZZZZ)

>> No.4147892

>>4147865
You're still saying the same thing. You don't like X so it's bad and no one else should. It's just childish is all.

>> No.4147947

>>4147892
you're complaining about childish behaviour in a console war thread on 4chan lol

might wanna do some soul searching there champ

>> No.4147993

>>4147947
Doesn't make "N64 wins for racers because I only like baby cart games" any better though. And it's much less of a complaint than it is a reason to point and laugh.

>> No.4148035

>>4147856
Good point.
But nah, it's sonyggers shitposting as usual. They/he did the same on the Saturn thread.

>> No.4148037

>>4147864
Wow, nice comeback.
Exclusives cause this much butthurt?

>> No.4148069

>>4143517
> standard controller
> mid 90s
> what standard controller?

>> No.4148073

>>4144592
Besides that tabletop RPGs kick the ass off video game RPGs any day of the week*.

* Provided the game is good, the GM is good, and your group is good.

>> No.4148075 [DELETED] 

>>4148037
go back to your basement treasure fanboy, not everything your company shits is gold and mischief makers is the prime example of that.

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>muh colectathons
>forgetting the best game in the genre was on the psx

>> No.4148095

>>4148075
Not him and MM is pretty bad for a game made by Treasure, but it's still better than most of the rest of the N64 library.

>> No.4148101

>>4148075
>treasure fanboy
Typical sonygger, enjoy your bad port of Silouhette Mirage!

>> No.4148103

>>4147993
>N64 wins for racers because I only like baby cart games
lol now the console warring babby complaining about immaturity is strawmanning in typical 4chan fashion how quaint

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>>4148101
Thanks, I'll also enjoy my best iteration of Gradius.

FUCK Segafags and Nintendofags.

>> No.4148401

>>>4148075
didn't know mods were treasure fanboys too, they deleted my post.

>> No.4148479

>>4148401
Trannyjanny will fuck you up if you have an opinion it gets triggered by.

>> No.4148487

>>4148101

>>>/v/

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>>4143531

>hybrid heaven
>garbage

Nigga fuck you

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>>4144592

Butthurt manchild detected.

>> No.4148527

>>4142791
Had THPS2 on N64. Even without cheats eas busting mad combos on the C buttons. Tried the same on a friends playstation and could get shit for the buttons being spaced so far apart.

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>>4146291
If you didn't like it why did you keep going back?

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>>4148335
>>4148401
>>4148479
Aw, poor sonyggers.

>> No.4148720

So the anti-treasure spammer turned out to be a jealous sonygger? Can't say I'm surprised.

>> No.4148721

>>4143531
>no rpgs is a bad thing

>> No.4148737

>>4142621
N64 is fun af
Anyone who had one played the fuck out of it

>> No.4148806

>>4143531
>good RPGs
oxymoron

>> No.4148813

>>4143531
Hybrid Heaven is a good game, but I can understand how it might seem like garbage for a kid renting it back in the day, it doesn't really get engaging until you start getting a real taste of its combat system, and it keeps getting better as you go on, a rental might not give you enough time.

>> No.4148865

>>4148813

I rented the game as a kid and hated it. Never touched it again until I started collecting. Then I played it again and loved it. When I was a kid I could not understand the combat system and found it to be lame the parts where you have to use the gun.

>> No.4148881

>>4148865
The shooting/platforming parts are admittedly bland, the meat of the game is the combat.

>> No.4148928

>>4142621
Spyro > Banjo

>> No.4148940

>>4148928
mario 64 > either

>> No.4148952

>>4142621
>people complain about n64 graphics when they were the best graphics of the time

>> No.4149082

>>4148103
It was in quotes because I was describing something as he would, but it's not surprising that flew over your head. Slow clap.

>> No.4149094

>>4149082
I don't believe you. Regardless, GT is still ass and there's nothing you can do about but reply to my posts.

>> No.4149101

>>4148952
People are retarded. More at 11

>> No.4149325

>>4149094
>GT is still ass

That's okay, you gave me some gold. It's funny that the big games N64 fans stand up for are basically super casual versions of real games like racers and fighters. Watching you champion them is grand.

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>>4149325
>GT not casual as ass
lol

>> No.4149392

>>4149376
You realize we're comparing it to fucking Mario Kart, right? lol

>> No.4149425

>>4149392
they're both casual af, but GT is also ass :^)

>> No.4149430

>>4142621
People don't want to buy a console for like 5 games or some shit, and like 3 or 4 of them were from Nintendo. I can't survive on just Mario and Zelda and Kirby or whatever the fuck no matter how good they were.

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Just got the fire orange set today

>> No.4149440

>>4149438
imagine if that was a jelly bean

I'd eat it.

>> No.4149446

>>4149438
It flipped when it uploaded here sorry boys

>> No.4149449

>>4142621
the n64 is a fantastic party console
>mario party
>mario kart
>diddy kong racing
>f zero
>smash
>wwf no mercy
>golden eye
>perfect dark
>turok 2
>quake
>blitz 2000
>pokemon stadium
unfortunately /vr/ is full of socially challenged individuals, and the appeal is lost on many of them

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>Transmission from thread: "SARIA" incoming....
.
.
.
3D gamespaces and the tech to do it was new, as far as consoles went. Panasonic, Sony, Sega, even Atari all developed the the hardware to create 3D games within SNES' lifespan. But they bitched out and took the easyvway out: CD. Nintendo stayed with cartridge format (after tinkering with Sony with CD tech. Way to create your own competition Nintendo). Limited space and not as pretty graphics as CD. Again, damn shame. At least Acclaim didn't totally abandon or otherwise half ass their efforts with Nintendo. At least one more or maybe one and a half year exrta time would've been etter.
That's why the graphics expansion pak HAD to be released, at a tremendous cost to Rare (I REALLY hope that event wasn't a reason for them selling out eventually).

>> No.4149483

>>4149425
And that's why I'm making fun of you.

>> No.4149485

>>4149483
lol. crying about your shitty racing game like the pathetic manchild you are is not making fun of me you hopeless gimp. remember how you tried to play the 'mature' card at the beginning? lmao you pathetic manchild.

>> No.4149497

>>4149485
What would I even be crying about? You're sitting over there trying to tell me GT is both boring and as casual as MK. I'm just enjoying the gravy every time you reply with more empty attempts at insults. Go on, give me another. You know you want to.

>> No.4149503

>>4149497
GT is ass babe.

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>>4149503

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>> No.4149552

>>4144592
>under18 numale that spends all his time and money watching other people play video games on twitch

>> No.4149579

>>4149552
What

>> No.4149585

>>4147785
>Not that guy but I wouldn't give up being married for anything.
yeah having onegina will do that to you. thankfully I haven't had that since I was 17. no way I'm getting married before I'm 35, might as well put your dick in a vice instead.

>> No.4149629

>>4149585
not everyone here was born in 95 anon, how do you know you're not talking to 35-40 year olds right now?

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>>4149585

>> No.4149661

>>4149449
>>4147586
Ps1 fags can't be this fucking delusional.
N64 has less games but the ones that are good are like a good punch in the throat to sonybros.

>>4147786
Cool story anon, the first time I played perfect dark was fucking amazing and finished it with a cousin. I knew it was going to be this incredible game from the very start when I saw the N64 logo with that choir music goddamn.

>>4149438

>> No.4149796

>>4143537
I can highly recommend playing through Doom 64 EX. Mouse and keyboard and a newly non-glacial framerate really bring out the best in the game.

>> No.4149967

>>4146712
>CRTs are inherently blurry so they camoflauge the blur
I feel dumber for having read that.

>> No.4149969

>>4149585
I didn't say I was young, got married at 34 and they've been by far the best years of my life so far.

>> No.4149975

>>4147108
>hotseating metal slug X or any fighting game with your pals
Tekken 3
3-5 guys
bongs and beers
loser has to pass controller winner gets to keep playing

Best fun you could've had in 1998. Splitscreen makes you squint for a tiny quarter of an already small TV (compared to the fuck huge flatscreens of today).

>> No.4149976

>>4149967
CRTs do not do post processing on the image. They do not alter the original image. The original image just comes out blurrier on CRT (than say, LCDs) due to the method it outputs the image. It sort of works like a high pass filter. Because of that, the blur is not additive. The sharp edges that would normally be filtered out by a CRTs display method, it is already filtered out by the N64 console itself. That means that the CRT doesn't make N64 output significantly blurrier than it already is, because it is already blurry. Meanwhile, PS1 output becomes blurrier on a CRT because it has higher (sharper) contrasts.

So yes, a CRT does in fact effectively camoflague the blur by not making N64 output any blurrier than it is. The designers of N64's GPU intended it to be that way.

>> No.4149980

>>4147524
OP asks why I hate the N64. I wouldn't hate a console for having a small and shitty library like the n64 has but I really do hate the smeared, smudged, blurry as fuck graphics of the N64.

>> No.4149983

>>4149976
>by not making N64 output any blurrier than it is
BUT IT'S MORE THAN BLURRY ENOUGH ON ITS OWN YOU FUCKING FUCK. JESUS CHRIST FUCK YOU YOU DESNE MOTHERFUCKER.

>> No.4149987

>>4147524
>>4149980
Honestly, the Dreamcast was the first console to execute 3D games right in that regard. No blurs and smudges, no pixels and warping, just the right balance. Tis' a shame it lasted so little.

>> No.4149989

>>4149976
That's a lot of words, but anyone who's seen a psx and n64 running on the same tv knows you're full of horseshit. Ps looks like pixely jaggy shit, n64 looks like blury foggy shit. Your tv would have to be utter garbage and probably broken to not be able to see the difference.

>> No.4149993

>>4149987
It is a shame, but it was the start of 3D looking decent on home consoles. PSX/N64/Saturn was just a shitty gen for visuals.

>> No.4150003

>>4149993
Except for the 2D games, they looked sexy as fuck. One more reason to hate N64, it killed 2D Nintendo games dead.

>> No.4150008

>>4149983
>>4149989
The point I'm trying to make is that N64 and PS1 blur levels are more similar to each other when both are on a CRT (particularly with composite) than when both are on a more modern kind of display.

This isn't a bad thing for N64 since the trade off for more blur is less dithering. This means that on a composite CRT, the N64'd disadvantage becomes comparatively more minor and therefore significantly more in the N64's favour.

>> No.4150014

>>4150008
Okay. I don't know or care much about how either look on a modern tv. On old tvs they both look hideous in different ways.

>> No.4150045

>>4150003
>what is the gba

>> No.4150050

>>4150008
>the N64'd disadvantage becomes comparatively more minor

Maybe in theory but not in reality.

>> No.4150051

>>4150045
A handheld with not enough buttons and abysmal sound quality.

>> No.4150057

>>4150050
The designers of N64's GPU (SGI) didn't just sit around and go "hurt let's blur the shit out of the image". They knew that 99% of users were going to use a CRT and composite, and designed the console's post-processing accordingly. SGI also helped design the PS1.

And they didn't just do the theory, you can bet they tested it out on like 1000 CRTs before release. I've got lying around here a little CRT with composite, and both an N64 and PS1 attached and I can tell you the N64 doesn't look significantly more blurry than the PS1, except maybe when comparing a game that runs at 320x240 (OoT) against a game that runs at 512x224 (like Crash). But the one thing the N64 definitely has going for it is less banding, and that is pretty obvious.

>> No.4150076

>>4150008
>The point I'm trying to make is that N64 and PS1 blur levels are more similar to each other when both are on a CRT than when both are on a more modern kind of display.
But this is wrong. The N64 textures were tiny and if left raw would have had massive squares as the result of the blown up pixels, but they were processed with whatever smudge magic was operating inside the N64 and as a result looked very smudged because blurring those giant squares just results in massive smudge which is then made worse by the blur.

The PSX texture output was linear and remained completely unsmudged. This leads to very pixelated raw output but the blown up squares are much smaller because the texture resolution is higher so there's more pixels per texture and smaller squares. The slight blur from CRTs atually makes these look relatively presentable, the same way 2D games from the previous generation benefited from being displayed on a CRT.

>(particularly with composite)
Not a mart sharting amerishitter, used S-video like everybody else in Europe. PAL N64's do natively output S-Video, same with the PSX. Completely irrelevant to me.

>This isn't a bad thing for N64 since the trade off for more blur is less dithering.
There is nothing wrong with dithering. Dithering is not at all a problem on a CRT because it will be transformed into a perfect gradient.

>This means that on a composite CRT
Inferior burger tech at it again. The divide between PSX and N64 fanboys really seems to be a continental one.

>the N64'd disadvantage becomes comparatively more minor and therefore significantly more in the N64's favour.
I know that composite blur is pretty god damned bad but it still doesn't undo the texture smudge. So your point is that the PSX looks almost equally blurry on a shitty TV as an N64. Fine, but that is a uniquely American experience. In Europe the PSX looked miles better because our TVs didn't make its graphics look as blurry as the N64.

>> No.4150078

>>4150057
>The designers of N64's GPU (SGI) didn't just sit around and go "hurt let's blur the shit out of the image"
Maybe that wasn't their intention but it sure as fuck was the outcome of whatever the fuck they did.

>> No.4150081

>>4150057
>composite
Why are you still using that shit in 2017? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>> No.4150087

>>4150057
>I can tell you the N64 doesn't look significantly more blurry than the PS
than there is something wrong with your eyes or your tv

>> No.4150097

>>4150076
>they were processed with whatever smudge magic was operating inside the N64
You mean bilinear texturing filtering? (aka, that thing that every GPU since the late 90s supports)

>The slight blur from CRTs atually makes these look relatively presentable
Incorrect. Texture filtering requires bidirectional blending, while CRTs do a kind of blurring that is unidirectional. So no, a CRT really doesn't achieve any sort of psuedo-texture filtering. It can help reduce mach banding a bit though.

>Dithering is not at all a problem on a CRT because it will be transformed into a perfect gradient.
Nope, dither patterns are extremely obvious in 16-bit 3D games without any sort of filtering. Hell, even with filtering you can still see the dither pattern. And I'm talking about a CRT with composite. That's because the patterns are automatically generated by the GPU and can't be handcrafted like in 2D games.

>In Europe the PSX looked miles better because our TVs didn't make its graphics look as blurry as the N64.
That would have more to do with the PS1 supporting true RGB SCART and the N64 not. I can't deny it as it's true the N64 was designed for a burger and nippon audience, not a europoor one.

>> No.4150106

>>4142621
I could fuck around on mario 64 level one ALL FUCKING DAY

>> No.4150124

>>4150097
>You mean bilinear texturing filtering? (aka, that thing that every GPU since the late 90s supports)
It works decent on larger textures. Small N64 textures got smudged to shit by it.

>Incorrect. Texture filtering requires bidirectional blending, while CRTs do a kind of blurring that is unidirectional. So no, a CRT really doesn't achieve any sort of psuedo-texture filtering
It makes the edges of the squares look less sharp is what I mean. I don't know any of the technical details but I have eyes to see.

>Nope, dither patterns are extremely obvious in 16-bit 3D games
That is just not true.

>That's because the patterns are automatically generated by the GPU and can't be handcrafted like in 2D games.
It doesn't matter if they are handcrafted or not.

>That would have more to do with the PS1 supporting true RGB SCART and the N64 not. I can't deny it as it's true the N64 was designed for a burger and nippon audience, not a europoor one.
SCART is beautiful and N64 graphics couldn't compete in Europe because the PSX wasn't gimped by outdated inferior burger shit TVs.

>> No.4150125

>>4149969
but you've had onegina since you were 15 so what's the difference you jesus freak old fart

>> No.4150137

>>4150125
What is that mess even supposed to mean? Where do you think I said this was my first relationship?

>> No.4150140

>>4150051
And a bunch of awesome games.

>> No.4150145

>>4150124
>t works decent on larger textures. Small N64 textures got smudged to shit by it.
It improves texture quality no matter their size. But it's better to have larger textures with no filtering than smaller textures with filtering. But given the same resolution, filtering is superior.

>It makes the edges of the squares look less sharp is what I mean
That's not what texture filtering does though.

>That is just not true.
Should clarify I meant 16-bit color depth as opposed to 16-bit games or whatever. But you can very obviously see the dither patterns even in filtered games.

A good example is the night sky in OoT. If you look carefully you can still see grid like dither patterns in the night sky. And this is even though the N64 actually tries to filter these patterns away.

>It doesn't matter if they are handcrafted or not.
Yes it does, because 3D GPUs will put dither patterns all throughout the image, but only certain color combinations cause the smooth gradient effect.

>SCART is beautiful and N64 graphics couldn't compete in Europe because the PSX wasn't gimped by outdated inferior burger shit TVs.
There's one more thing about N64 and Europe I've just remembered. SGI actually did throw Europe a bone with the N64, sort of. The console's video interface unit actually has a special Full Screen PAL mode, which takes the framebuffer and scales it perfectly to PAL resolutions. This is why the PAL version of OoT actually is completely full-screen and has no letterboxing at all (not even small ones). PAL optimized games like Crash Bandicoot still have small letterboxes in 50hz.

The downside of this Full Screen PAL mode is that the scaling of 240p to 288p or whatever actually creates more blur in the image, because the N64's scaler isn't a particularly high quality one (being a cheap console and all). So if you want less blur you should be playing the NTSC versions.

>> No.4150163

>>4150081
>complaining about people using something from an older era on a board where older video games and tech are being discussed
>yearsplaining
Not every /vr/ console supports RGB and even if it does after modding it it's usually not that much of a difference like with the N64. Then there's stuff like the NES where there's not even a "true" RGB signal but several ones or ones where people don't even bother with modding like older atari consoles.
I mean, I use RGB for my SNES and I'd get a RGB cable for my PS1 if I had a bigger budget but it's not like using composite is worse than hitler.

>> No.4150169

>>4150145
>It improves texture quality no matter their size
Oh hell no. It changes their appearance for sure but if that is an improvement or not is entirely subjective.

>But it's better to have larger textures with no filtering than smaller textures with filtering
So you agree that the PSX textures looked better, cool.

>But given the same resolution, filtering is superior.
I disagree but regardless, the PSX had bigger textures than the N64.

>> No.4150189

>>4150169
>but if that is an improvement or not is entirely subjective.
It's not really so subjective as dependent on the type of texture being filtered. The more patterned a texture is (should not be confused with texture tiling), the less benefit from filtering it (even negative benefit in extreme cases). But in your typical texture the improvement is fairly obvious.

I guess it's subjective to the extent that if you are deliberately wanting a 'retro' look, then sure filtering (any filtering) makes things worse.

>the PSX had bigger textures than the N64
You shouldn't necessary confuse a higher resolution with better textures. There are more metrics than resolution, like color depth and tiling methods. From what I've seen, N64 textures seem to have better color depth than PS1 textures in many instances - which is strange, you'd think developers would opt for resolution over depth. Also, there's distinctly more multitexturing (i.e. less repetitive tiling) in N64 games than PS1 games.

That being said, yes the average PS1 game has higher resolution textures than your average N64 games. But it's not always the case. Rare games tend to have textures with PS1-like resolutions, but they look more varied and less tiled than PS1 games since Rare loved the fuck out of multi texturing. This is a pretty good example of it >>4145832

>> No.4150267

Am I the only one that can't see what is this "bluriness" everyone mentions about N64 graphics? I already tried to look at images of hacked games with AA off and on and it looks the same, but somehow people comment it looks way better when it's off. What am I missing here? N64 graphics never bothered and they always looked better than PS1's flickering polygons.

>> No.4150304

>>4150267
Yes.

>> No.4150307

>>4150267
>but somehow people comment it looks way better when it's off
just hipster obsessions with things looking retro and pixels = retro

>> No.4150313

>>4144592
just because you are to dumb to appreciate good stories doesn’t mean that we are, so go back to playing your shit games faggot

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>>4150267
see pic

>>4150307
it really does look better, it might be a bit pixelated but when you use a CRT it will look a lot better

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>>4150307
>>4150267

I noticed it makes the games looks worse. I don't know, people seems to like pixelated graphics and jagged edges.

That's mario 64 would look like without the blur. Ugly as fuck, just like every other ps1 game.

>> No.4150337

>>4150320

So? The left image looks better. The right one looks like a bad cropped image that doesn't blend with the rest of the 3d enviroment.

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>>4150304

Same damn thing to me. Just jagged edges without AA. How is that better?

>> No.4150345

>>4150337
Well it behaves differently with every game but you can definitely see that right is more clear.

>> No.4150357

Now hold on a sec, you guys are all conflating different things.

>>4150320
This isn't the Gameshark "AA off" codes. It's the de-blur option from UltraHDMI which attempts to reverse the N64's internal scaler.

>>4150332
This is an emulating with texture filtering off. Nothing to do with VI Deblur or Gameshark codes.

>>4150338
This is using the Gameshark codes.

>> No.4150395

>>4150145
>It improves texture quality no matter their size. But it's better to have larger textures with no filtering than smaller textures with filtering. But given the same resolution, filtering is superior.
oh, it's you again
filtering removes implied high-frequency content in small, hand-crafted textures (read: hard edges)

high resolution textures benefit heavily from filtering, because the resolution is high enough that you don't need the hard edges of aliasing to imply high-frequency visual content -- it's naturally there in the texture, filtering is now just removing visual noise, and there's very little reason to not have filtering now

>>4143531
man, I loved Fighter's Destiny as a kid
it's so fucking bad now, but I liked the ideas it had

>>4143173
The original PS1 d-pad is okay. It's not four separate buttons, and the biggest problem is that it's kind of hard on the thumb rather than it having any major precision issues.
analog pressure sensitive buttons on the DualShock 2 fuck everything up because you need to press fairly hard for them to register, the DS3 lessens this issue but doesn't get rid of it, DS4 is back to all digital buttons

>> No.4150404

>>4150338
Don't get me wrong, they all look shitty. But the blurry one looks shittier.

>> No.4150408

I just played N64 at a friend's house yesterday, we were using a tube TV.
It didn't look blurry at all, it made me realize how different the real deal is compared to emulating on my modern monitor.

>> No.4150415

>>4150408
lol

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>>4150395
>filtering removes implied high-frequency content in small, hand-crafted textures (read: hard edges)
>the resolution is high enough that you don't need the hard edges of aliasing to imply high-frequency visual content -- it's naturally there in the texture
As mentioned before in previous threads, this is not only wrong, but unscientific. There's nothing to differentiate the operation of texture filtering between small and large textures. The algorithm is identical and functions in a linear not exponential manner.

Even with textures which are the absolute lowest of the low resolution. See pic related for the absolute extremes of low resolution, filtering is of benefit. Without filtering the tree stem looks like a a complete glitch - with filtering it actually gets more definition. It makes sense, because texture filtering has algorithmic similarities to supersampling anti-aliasing - which is anti-aliasing via rendering at a 4 times higher resolution. Bilinear texture filtering involves reading the texture 4 times more than non-filtering - so it's almost like reading a higher resolution source texture.

(True) high frequencies are highly uncommon in real life, and so do not represent detail. Otherwise nothing in real life would be detailed. Detail simply comes from variations in colors - drastic differences between them are not required. In almost all situation, high frequencies are just digital noise.

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>>4150417
Actually meant to post this image for that post.

>> No.4150436

>>4150419
I would still take that over a smeary blurry mess. But to each their own.

>> No.4150446

>>4150436
Use a CRT. If you think that pixelated mess looks better than AA on a CRT, you're either being contrarian for the hell of it (most likely), or maybe you actually never tried it on a CRT and are basing your experience with emulators and modern displays.

>> No.4150451

>>4150446
I've literally never emulated N64 or PS on anything. I've only ever seen them on CRTs. I think that picture you posted looks better than the game did on a tube.

Don't get me wrong, I think it looks absolutely terrible. But it at least looks a little less terrible than it would with the blur on.

You don't have to agree.

>> No.4150486

Makes me wonder, did Nintendo remove the filter in the Virtual Console versions?

>>4150395
>it's so fucking bad now, but I liked the ideas it had
>now

>> No.4150497

>>4150486
I doubt it. Virtual Console is just very good high-level emulation, so any feature that was unique to N64 won't be in it. Also, VC probably renders games in 8bpp instead of 5bpp like real the N64, so there's no need for dither filtering.

>> No.4150531

Honestly, beyond Mario 64 and OOT the N64 just didn't have any other games.

The PS1 got all the majorly good games of that gen. (With the Saturn getting a decent Japanese library that was never released state side.)

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>>4150531
>Honestly, beyond Mario 64 and OOT the N64 just didn't have any other games.

You need to explore the N64 catalogue more.

>> No.4150591

>>4150531
Nah, you're just a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about the console. I say this as someone who likes the ps1 more too.

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>>4150546
PS1 also got the superior Goemon games, too.

Akogingu > MNsG
Daikaiten > GGA

Let's face it, the N64 was the most cucked console of the '90s, bar none.

>> No.4150612

>>4150531
spoken like a true underage /vr/editor.

>> No.4150637

>>4150417
You are such a fucking sperg. The left one has way better contrast and is much more pleasing to the eye. The one on the right has me thinking I need to get glasses cause my eyesight is going. I want to squint and rub my eyes when I look at it. It's not natural, I have good vision, I am not used to seeing blurry shit like that. Why the fuck do you insist that blur is universally good? It's shit, pure fucking shit. I hate you so much, anon.

>> No.4150861

>>4150598
>it's akogingufag again
Who cares if your favorite is Akogingu (unpopular opinion, by the way), N64's Goemon games are still amazing, and arguably better or equal in quality to Nintendo's 1st party.
>Daikaiten > GGA
I could understand you prefering Akogingu to MNsG because they're completely different kind of games, but this one is just baiting.

By the way, woah, bump limit. N64 sure is popular.

>> No.4150863

>>4150436

Or you're just a sony fanboy hating the n64 because you had a ps1 with shitty graphics and no AA.

>> No.4150864

>>4150637
>The one on the right has me thinking I need to get glasses cause my eyesight is going.

I always wonder if many of the people who like filters and blur wear glasses and so are more used to seeing things not being sharp.

I feel exactly the same when I look at those, the pixely one isn't great but the blurry one almost hurts my eyes to look at.

>> No.4150868

>>4150637
>The one on the right has me thinking I need to get glasses cause my eyesight is going
Maybe this is true though, I think the left one looks like a mixelated mess while the right one looks clean.
Maybe that's the reason you find N64 so blurry, and why you think pixelated textures look okay, maybe you do need glasses.

>> No.4150881

>>4150531

>Honestly, beyond Mario 64 and OOT the N64 just didn't have any other games.

Honestly, beyond Metal Gear and FF7 the PS1 just didn't have any other games.

that how retard you look.

>> No.4150894

>>4150637

The one on the right looks way better. It's cleaner and more natural, as you can't see the pixels. The one on the left hurts my eye. I feel like I could cut myself on those edges.

>> No.4150919

>>4150863
Nah, I actually hate Sony more than any other game company including MS and generally like Nintendo. I just think the N64 was a huge misstep in many ways and most of it's games look terrible.

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>>4150313
>to dumb

>> No.4151363

>>4146639
>I'm old
Then get some glasses so everything won't look so blurry, you old fuck.

>> No.4151367

>>4147108
>both worse than CTR
But CTR sucks.

>> No.4151382

>>4150919
>Nah, I actually hate Sony more than any other game company including MS and generally like Nintendo.
Personally it's the opposite for me, at least as of recent. I view Sony as something the gaming industry really needed so badly during it's time of need; a company that gave other companies that were treated like shit under Nintendo's rule a helping hand and all that. I can still understand why someone would like Nintendo even after the shitshow like the N64, but to me those blunders they've made (and continue to make) since that era outweigh any achievements they've done, all in all making me show more of a grudging respect towards them than anything. That being said, I'm not saying Sony's perfect (the PS3's early years being a very good example of this), but I feel that even their most stupidest decisions aren't as bad as the ones post-N64 era Nintendo makes.

>> No.4151445

>>4150637
I want you just to take a minute and try to focus on the shape of that lava pool. Which image do you think gives more definition as to its shape. Left or right?

For me, it's definitely the right. On the left, it's hard to make out its true shape due to the sharp edged pixels.

>> No.4151489

>>4151445
I think both images define what they try to convey properly regardless of method, but I ind myself leaning more towards the left image more because it's much more pleasing to look at despite the pixelation.

t. glasses wearing fucktard.

>> No.4152071

>>4151382
did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.

Yamauchi, often referred to as "大魔王 ティラノ天堂" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.

>> No.4152542

>>4151382
I have had terrible experience with Sony hardware, 5 PS1s died on me, 2 PS2s and I'm on my 4th PSP. And not because I was rough on them, aside from a fried Sega CD due to stupidity I've never had another console fail. All my Nintendo handhelds still work, SP's battery sucks now but it still works at least.

People shit on Microsoft for the RRoDs in early 360 days, but their response to it was one of the things that eventually made me choose a 360 over a PS3 first and in the end I couldn't have been happier. My PS3 gathered dust for most of it's life, the 360 was one of my most over used systems ever. Hell, I still have it hooked up.

On top of that I've usually not liked Sony's first party games. I also don't care much for Nintendo's, like Mario and Zelda, but there are more that I do like. Overall I like Nintendo a lot, it's just the N64 I think is pretty bad.

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