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What are the absolute best non-jrpg top down games? A Link to the Past gets a lot of credit but I feel like there is more out there that deserves recognition

>> No.4133762

>>4133535
Illusion of gaia is an awesome game, I don't get why /vr/ loves to hate it.

>> No.4133797 [DELETED] 

>vidya
Shut the fuck up.

>> No.4134027
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>>4133535
Kiki Kaikai Nano no Kuro Mantle/Pocky and Rocky on the SNES is one of the best games from the 16 bit era. It's a top down run and gun shooter. Excellent in co-op.

>> No.4134048 [DELETED] 

>>4133535
Beyond Oasis and Terranigma are GOAT.

>> No.4134074 [DELETED] 

>>4134027
Pocky & Rocky has too much slowdowns to be fun.

>> No.4134082 [DELETED] 

>>4134027
Outzone, Twinkle Tale, and Shock Troopers are better.

>> No.4134119

>>4134082
I've only played a few minutes of Outzone so I can't judge, but Twinkle Tale and Shock Troopers are both superb as well. I'd say those two and Pocky & Rocky are on the same level.

>> No.4134143

>>4133762
>>4134048
Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma seem good if you compare them to other RPGs, but when you compare them to action games they both look really bad.

>> No.4134207
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>>4133535
Fucking Chaos Engine!

>> No.4134242

>>4134207
it reminds me of true lies on the SNES

>> No.4134254
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>>4133535
Herc adventures for the PSX and zombies ate my neoghboors.

>> No.4134263
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>>4133535
Beyond and Legend of Oasis.

>> No.4134267

>>4134143
>That could be said of any action rpg

>> No.4134272

>>4134242
I guess Chaos Engine inspired a couple of developers (when the Bitmap Brothers still were the rage). Back in the day when reading some reviews in gaming magazines "Jurassic Park" (SNES) was often called out for being a "Chaos Engine Clone".

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And let's not forget Cannon Fodder. Well, the top down view was the perspective of choice for most of the Sensible Software games.

>> No.4134295

>>4134267
There are a few that hold up, but yes, most action RPGs are bad.

>> No.4134319 [DELETED] 

>>4134295
What ones do you like, then?

>> No.4134324

>>4134143
Illusion of gaia is a good game dude

>> No.4134358

>>4134319
Zelda 2 is the one that immediately comes to mind. Action that is easily good enough to stand on its own and the RPG elements don't detract from it.

Some retro action RPGs that aren't necessarily as good as pure action games, but that I still like include Cadash (arcade version), Zelda 1, The Guardian Legend, The Battle of Olympus, and Star Control 2.

>> No.4134393 [DELETED] 

>>4134358
>Zelda II
Golvellius did it better, my dude.

>> No.4134440

>>4134393
Golvellius is slow as shit and is filled with painfully dull enemies. The easiest and simplest enemies in Zelda 2 are comparable to the most complex and dangerous enemies in Golvellius. Zelda is also incomparably better in level design and the main character's moveset. It's not even close.

>> No.4134482
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>crtl+f
>no goof troop

>> No.4134501 [DELETED] 

>>4134440
>Zelda II enemies
>complex
>DUDE, JUMP SLASHING AND CROUCH SLASHING, SO DEEP!

>> No.4134583
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>>4133535
Harvest fuckin' Moon. It's an absolute classic but it's hardly ever talked about, I feel. If you've played Stardew Valley but not this, you gotta play this, go to the roots of SV's inspiration. It makes both games so much more charming when you really see that.

>> No.4134685
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>>4133535
Secret of Mana is up there, for sure

>> No.4134698

>>4134685
tried playing this thing last weekend, you can't move diagonally and i couldn't get past the part on like the third screen wherein you have to chop down the grass to get to the next screen made me tard rage and cut off the raspberry

>> No.4134716

>>4134698
>you can't move diagonally
Huh? Yes you can.

>couldn't get past the part on like the third screen wherein you have to chop down the grass
This is a problem for literally no one else. You might just be retarded.

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nuff said

>> No.4134856 [DELETED] 

>>4134716
He actually built a raspberry pi, of course he's retarded

>> No.4134871
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4134871

All of the games posted in this thread are 3/4 perspective, not top-down. I expect better from /v/.

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>> No.4134883

>>4134871
they still count as top-down. basically top-down refers to non-sidescroller 2d games

>> No.4134896
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>>4134583
Patrician taste right here.

>> No.4135096

>>4134685
Secret of Mana is a jrpg and its combat is incredibly shitty.

>> No.4135317

survival kids
all shmups

>> No.4135352

>>4135317
>all shmups are top down
"no"

>> No.4135593

>>4135096
>Secret of Mana is a jrpg
I beg to differ. At the time it came out, "JRPG" meant turn-based combat. SoM is an action RPG.

>> No.4135615

>>4135593
Setting aside the issue of whether it's a JRPG, Secret of Mana is one of the worst action games ever made.

>> No.4135662
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>>4133535
Sega Genesis clone of Nes Zelda.

Golden Axe Warrior.

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>>4135662
I meant Sega master system. God I hate brain fart's.

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>> No.4136138

>>4134840
That's not top down, it's isometric

>> No.4136145

>>4135352
maybe he means all shmups that ARE top-down

>> No.4136153

>>4136145
>all shmups that are top down are top down
No shit. He could've said "atleast half of shmups" but he didn't. It is tellingly retarded.

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>>4133535

>> No.4136315

>>4133797
Are you new around here, tripfriend?

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>>4135662
>>4135663
Good game.

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>>4136315
Did you see a tripcode, newfriend?

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>>4136552

>> No.4136820

>>4134482
cool game but way too short and easy.

>> No.4136827

>>4136820
Just a guess here, but you might not actually be in the target demo for a game called "Goof Troop."

>> No.4136839

>>4136552
>>4136174

Why is Willow popping up so much lately? Are people giving it more attention now that people know Akira Kitamura made it?

>> No.4136847

>>4136839
Dunno about that, i just like the game.

>> No.4136978

>>4133762
I can't bring myself to like the quintet trilogy, they're all kinda clunky, and the gameplay is very repetitive.

>> No.4137517

>>4136820
it's one of the more fun co-op games on snes though

>> No.4137716
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>>4133535
Soul Blazer is excellent.

>> No.4138608

>>4133535
let me just say that links awakening > a link to the past

alttp is overrated af

>> No.4139071

>>4136839
Honestly, probably. I played it a while ago and thought it was pretty mediocre. But after all this Akira Kitamura buzz I've been thinking of trying it again.

>> No.4139095

>>4139071
>I played it a while ago and thought it was pretty mediocre. But after all this Akira Kitamura buzz I've been thinking of trying it again.

It's more of a historical note than what something someone should play in 2017. This is before Link to the Past mind you. If ou were a kid in 89, you'd think it's the coolest shit ever. The game's biggest flaws are same-y backgrounds that make it more confusing than it should be. They were trying to make a game better than The Legend of Zelda, and in many ways they succeeded. Not all of Kitamura's games are the best , but they all show real creativity.

>> No.4139709

>>4134698
So when did you first learn you were retarded?

>> No.4139723

Brain Lord is pretty cool.

>> No.4139781
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Adam family values

>> No.4139789
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>>4133535
CRYSTALIS

>> No.4139823

>>4139781
was Sans inspired by this dude?

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>>4139823
Dunno

>> No.4141178

>>4133535
goof troop

>> No.4141762

why does /vr/ hate alttp?

>> No.4141768

>>4141762
Hipsterism
it's cool to hate popular things

>> No.4141770

>>4135615
>having this much shit taste
Poor bait, t.b.h.

>> No.4141780

>>4133535
Jrpg is not a genre.

>> No.4141954

>>4133535
I always forget how beautiful Link to the Past was. That color.

>> No.4141973

>>4141954
uh, no

if there's one weak point about alttp is the aesthetics. game is ugly as hell

>> No.4141981

>>4138608
I think they're both polished, well-made games desu.

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>>4141954
Yee. Nice.

>> No.4141995
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Bs Lttp.

You can be a boy or girl. Map and other stuff is modified as well.

>> No.4142000
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>>4141983
Bs Zelda, snes remake of the first nes game.

>> No.4142602

>>4141770
Are you shitting me? Secret of Mana combat is even more shallow and less interactive than Final Fantasy. It's slow, tedious, and takes no skill. It is positively abysmal as an action game.

The music is great. The graphics are great. It's really easy, and lots of people can ignore bad mechanics as long as they aren't challenging. Don't be fooled by any of that. Secret of Mana is a 0/10 action game.

>> No.4142670

>>4135593
If you can fucking call that action. It's basically turn-based what with the stamina

>> No.4142689

>>4135593

The first Seiken Densetsu had better combat than 2, it sucks.

>> No.4142695

>>4137716
>Enemy Spawners: The Game

Ehhhhhhhhhh....

>> No.4142725

I'm curious, how do people feel about Seiken Densetsu 3?

>> No.4142731

>>4142725
same deal as Secret of Mana. You still have to wait for a timer before attacks, and spells still freeze the action. Hitboxes are a little better though.
6/10 it's OK.

>> No.4143604

Zelda is a jrpg

>> No.4145749

>>4141973
It may not be your opinion, but I think it's generally agreed that it had a nice aesthetic.

>>4143604
Zelda II is the closest the series has ever come to RPG territory, since it has XP, spells, and stat leveling. Other than that, no.

>> No.4145985
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Terranigma

>> No.4146079

>>4134583
Every fag should know about this game since SV came out.

>> No.4146878

>>4145749
>I think it's generally agreed that it had a nice aesthetic.
you're wrong

it's fine that you think it looks good though,

>> No.4146893

>>4146878
The light world is nice looking. I'm less a fan of the dark world, personally.

>> No.4147467

>>4145985
This game looks and seems like it should be so cool, but the subpar combat and tedious dungeons/quests just kill it.

>> No.4148247

Does rts count? Cuz if yeah StarCraft wins

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>> No.4148451
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Theyve already been mentioned but: Illusion of Gaia, Soulblazer, Terranigma, Crystalis.

Also, any Ys game. Falcom made/makes some good shit. Xanadu, too.

>> No.4148509
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4148509

We can all agree that isometric > top-down, right?

>> No.4148593

>>4148509
f*ck off treasurecuck

>> No.4148630

Neutopia games
Brandish
Brain Lord
Jurassic Park on the SNES and PC
Gain Ground

Probably a ton of others I don't conjure off the top of my head.
Arkista's Ring

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>>4134207
I think the controller really hold Amiga back. All those titles with good graphics and Atari 2600-deep gameplay.
And, if you started with Amiga, why not mention the Final Odyssey and Alien Breed series? IIRC, Amiga had some own Zelda clone.

>>4148271
If Heroes pass as top down then Tzar would too.

>> No.4148681

>>4147467
Agreed. I couldn't have been more disappointed when I gave it a serious run.

>> No.4148694
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Really loved it as a kid, still holds up pretty well

>> No.4148735

>>4148630
Brandish, nice. I was trying to think of the name when mentioning Falcom but it evaded me. All I could think of was the scantily-clad blonde woman that was hounding the hero.

>> No.4148741

>>4134295
Which ones? I've never played any that good.

>> No.4148757

>>4134284
Is this game worth playing?

>> No.4149618

>>4148757
Yes. There's a DOS version too, and a brutally harder sequel.

>> No.4149630

>>4136652
Ahh star tropics. Do you remember the 3 digit number on the letter that you got with the game? I do.

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>>4134254
COUPLE OF HUNDRED OF EM

>> No.4152078

>non-jrpg
>more than half the games itt are jrpgs

>> No.4153164
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>>4133535
I know it's a jrpg, but I didn't see Secret of Evermore in here anywhere.
There isn't too too many Zelda type top downs. The series kinda has a monopoly on that style.
"Zelda clones!" they said.
"Oh hurr this is just zelda rip off!" others cried.
So besides Beyond Oasis, Pocky's and Rocky's, Terranigma, Jurassic Park(snes) and any Japanese import you can find, I don't remember too many.

>> No.4153810

>>4148741

Retro ARPG recommendations here: >>4134358

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>>4153164
>Secret of Evermore
>jrpg

>> No.4154095

>>4135663
>brain fart's
>fart's
>'

Fucking retard.

>> No.4154564
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>>4153979
According to this thread that's what it is. I always called em action rpgs, meself.

>> No.4154642

>>4153979
dark souls is a jrpg

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>> No.4154689

Ikari Warriors

>> No.4156404
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>> No.4156419

>>4134027
I've been meaning to play this for the longest time, thanks for the reminder.

>> No.4156820

>>4133535
>A Link to the Past
It's not even the best 2D Zelda.

>> No.4156891

>>4156820
OP here and I completely agree

>> No.4156960

Gunple: Gunman's Proof and Marvelous are two games very similar to A Link to the Past, both fun as well.

>> No.4158630

>>4154671
glad someone posted this. so underrated

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>>4154671
Patrician Taste

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>>4148630
>>4154671
>>4148694
>>4145985
Patrician tastes right here

>> No.4159267

>>4156820
>It's not even the best 2D Zelda.
Then what is?

>> No.4159269

>>4159267
Zelda 2 AoL

>> No.4159278

>>4159269
Rope yourself.

>> No.4160015

>>4146079
It's not like the series is unknown among younger gamers. Rune Factory was huge on the DS.

>> No.4160158

>>4137716
2nd'd. One of my favorites with a great soundtrack.